Greenly’s Trade Ideas (merged)

[gouki88]

If Brooklyn moves Kyrie and Durant gets to the point of not wanting to be in Brooklyn, does this make sense:

Boston In: Kevin Durant:

Brooklyn In: Jaylen Brown, Derrick White, Aaron Nesmith, 2023, 2025, 2027 1st rounders and 2026 pick swap

Remember, KD wanted to go to the NYC area to be closer to his non-basketball related enterprises. Boston provides a vicinity that is as close to NYC as possible and be in the NBA while also providing a sure fire title contending situation. Maybe, sure fire leading contender for a title

Smart/Pritchard
Tatum/TMLE
Durant/TPE pickup
Horford/Grant
Timelord/Theis

That team would be incredibly interesting. Pairing Tatum and Durant would be unbelievable.

Makes me wonder about potential super-team construction with Beal perhaps wanting out too, but I’m not sure we have enough picks to throw around

No thanks to Durant. He's gotten a bit slower on D, Tatum had a field day with him. And While he still can score, he'll be 37 at the end of his contract and we would be paying him 53 mill. Brown wouldn't even be 30 by the end of Durants contract. A Bron for Durant trade would be the ultimate knee jerk reaction that would go south fast.

Kevin Durant is, at worst, the 4th best offensive player in the whole league, with a game that doesn’t rely whatsoever on athleticism. Trading Brown for him would not be a regret at all - it would be as unstoppable a team as any.

[Sketch5]

If Brooklyn moves Kyrie and Durant gets to the point of not wanting to be in Brooklyn, does this make sense:

Boston In: Kevin Durant:

Brooklyn In: Jaylen Brown, Derrick White, Aaron Nesmith, 2023, 2025, 2027 1st rounders and 2026 pick swap

Remember, KD wanted to go to the NYC area to be closer to his non-basketball related enterprises. Boston provides a vicinity that is as close to NYC as possible and be in the NBA while also providing a sure fire title contending situation. Maybe, sure fire leading contender for a title

Smart/Pritchard
Tatum/TMLE
Durant/TPE pickup
Horford/Grant
Timelord/Theis

That team would be incredibly interesting. Pairing Tatum and Durant would be unbelievable.

Makes me wonder about potential super-team construction with Beal perhaps wanting out too, but I’m not sure we have enough picks to throw around

No thanks to Durant. He's gotten a bit slower on D, Tatum had a field day with him. And While he still can score, he'll be 37 at the end of his contract and we would be paying him 53 mill. Brown wouldn't even be 30 by the end of Durants contract. A Bron for Durant trade would be the ultimate knee jerk reaction that would go south fast.

Kevin Durant is, at worst, the 4th best offensive player in the whole league, with a game that doesn’t rely whatsoever on athleticism. Trading Brown for him would not be a regret at all - it would be as unstoppable a team as any.

if you were getting him at age 30 with no major injuries, sure, you can roll the dice that he would regress after age 33, but thats the age you start seeing guys just start aging out. Can't move his feet on D already. If he had two years left, sure maybe, but those last two years 49 and 53 mill at age 36 and 37, yikes! You may as well pack Tatums bags and cross your fingers in the draft.

You move Brown for a guy under 30, Durant is a desperate "we need to win in the next couple years cause our main guys are getting old move". We aren't there yet.

[GreenlyGreeny]

One way to pull off a JT/KD/Beal super-team while retaining KD’s good buddy Horford (a key reason why KD would wanna come here, and obviously Beal would come here to be with good buddy Tatum…buddies teaming up is how super teams happen!):

BOS In: KD, Beal
WAS In: Brown, Pritchard, Nesmith, Kornet, unknown quantity of picks/swaps
BKN In: Smart, Theis, Stauskas, unknown quantity of picks/swaps

The unknown quantity of picks/swaps would probably be our entire arsenal the next half decade, but look at how epic the team could be with these rotations:

Beal/White
KD/White
Tatum/Batman
Horford/Batman
Timelord/MLE

Bench: Ring-chasing vets

That said, I think I’d rather prefer just getting KD so we have more depth:

BOS In: KD
BKN In: Brown, Theis, unknown quantity of picks/swaps

Roster:

Smart/White
KD/Pritchard
Tatum/Nesmith
Horford/Batman
Timelord/MLE

Bench: Ring-chasing vets

This scenario also allows us to go after Lu Dort, too.

[GreenlyGreeny]

If Brooklyn moves Kyrie and Durant gets to the point of not wanting to be in Brooklyn, does this make sense:

Boston In: Kevin Durant:

Brooklyn In: Jaylen Brown, Derrick White, Aaron Nesmith, 2023, 2025, 2027 1st rounders and 2026 pick swap

Remember, KD wanted to go to the NYC area to be closer to his non-basketball related enterprises. Boston provides a vicinity that is as close to NYC as possible and be in the NBA while also providing a sure fire title contending situation. Maybe, sure fire leading contender for a title

Smart/Pritchard
Tatum/TMLE
Durant/TPE pickup
Horford/Grant
Timelord/Theis

That team would be incredibly interesting. Pairing Tatum and Durant would be unbelievable.

Makes me wonder about potential super-team construction with Beal perhaps wanting out too, but I’m not sure we have enough picks to throw around

No thanks to Durant. He's gotten a bit slower on D, Tatum had a field day with him. And While he still can score, he'll be 37 at the end of his contract and we would be paying him 53 mill. Brown wouldn't even be 30 by the end of Durants contract. A Bron for Durant trade would be the ultimate knee jerk reaction that would go south fast.

Kevin Durant is, at worst, the 4th best offensive player in the whole league, with a game that doesn’t rely whatsoever on athleticism. Trading Brown for him would not be a regret at all - it would be as unstoppable a team as any.

if you were getting him at age 30 with no major injuries, sure, you can roll the dice that he would regress after age 33, but thats the age you start seeing guys just start aging out. Can't move his feet on D already. If he had two years left, sure maybe, but those last two years 49 and 53 mill at age 36 and 37, yikes! You may as well pack Tatums bags and cross your fingers in the draft.

You move Brown for a guy under 30, Durant is a desperate "we need to win in the next couple years cause our main guys are getting old move". We aren't there yet.

KD is top 20 all-time and still a current top 5 talent. MJ won two or three titles after age 33, and could have won another had they stuck together. Considering the new Kyrie circus in Brooklyn, if KD is able to force himself on the table for Brown/Theis/picks, so KD can go for topping the Warriors next year while teaming up with his buddy Horford, Stevens needs to go to JT, see what JT thinks and do it if JT says “let’s do it.” It’s a no-brainer. We’d be getting KD six years later than we desired, but perhaps better late than never. It’s a storyline the NBA powers that be would love. Can you imagine the ratings if we rematched with the Warriors? Can you imagine what lifting us to a title over the Warriors would mean for KD’s legacy? KD has to be thinking about how he can force himself into this championship-caliber team at this point.

[Csfan1984]

For KD I would not trade JB for him. Feel KD will be more injury prone each year so you have to buy based on it likely being a two year run.

Id go
Smart, White, TL, TPE, two 1st, a swap 1st, and two 2nds.
for
Curry and KD

Curry, JB, JT, KD, Al
Pp, Nesmith, Grant, Theis

Use MLE on a PG and/or Center. Having a big three along with Al and a sniper in Curry you will get ring chasers to sign up cheap.

[gouki88]

For KD I would not trade JB for him. Feel KD will be more injury prone each year so you have to buy based on it likely being a two year run.

Id go
Smart, White, TL, TPE, two 1st, a swap 1st, and two 2nds.
for
Curry and KD

Curry, JB, JT, KD, Al
Pp, Nesmith, Grant, Theis

Use MLE on a PG and/or Center. Having a big three along with Al and a sniper in Curry you will get ring chasers to sign up cheap.

You can't trade TPEs alongside salary. You'd have to do a separate deals.

More importantly, there is no way Brooklyn would do it if Brown isn't involved. If KD starts to demand out (despite the long contract) then there will be better offers than that.

[Csfan1984]

For KD I would not trade JB for him. Feel KD will be more injury prone each year so you have to buy based on it likely being a two year run.

Id go
Smart, White, TL, TPE, two 1st, a swap 1st, and two 2nds.
for
Curry and KD

Curry, JB, JT, KD, Al
Pp, Nesmith, Grant, Theis

Use MLE on a PG and/or Center. Having a big three along with Al and a sniper in Curry you will get ring chasers to sign up cheap.

You can't trade TPEs alongside salary. You'd have to do a separate deals.

More importantly, there is no way Brooklyn would do it if Brown isn't involved. If KD starts to demand out (despite the long contract) then there will be better offers than that.

The TPE is separate for Curry. It's not needed in the KD salary match.

As for KD offers, pretty sure he has a no trade/final say clause so if he moves he decides where. So no one is going to go all in or he will veto the deal. The team he goes to has to be right there for a chip or he stays in Brooklyn.

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

If Brooklyn moves Kyrie and Durant gets to the point of not wanting to be in Brooklyn, does this make sense:

Boston In: Kevin Durant:

Brooklyn In: Jaylen Brown, Derrick White, Aaron Nesmith, 2023, 2025, 2027 1st rounders and 2026 pick swap

Remember, KD wanted to go to the NYC area to be closer to his non-basketball related enterprises. Boston provides a vicinity that is as close to NYC as possible and be in the NBA while also providing a sure fire title contending situation. Maybe, sure fire leading contender for a title

Smart/Pritchard
Tatum/TMLE
Durant/TPE pickup
Horford/Grant
Timelord/Theis

That team would be incredibly interesting. Pairing Tatum and Durant would be unbelievable.

Makes me wonder about potential super-team construction with Beal perhaps wanting out too, but I’m not sure we have enough picks to throw around

No thanks to Durant. He's gotten a bit slower on D, Tatum had a field day with him. And While he still can score, he'll be 37 at the end of his contract and we would be paying him 53 mill. Brown wouldn't even be 30 by the end of Durants contract. A Bron for Durant trade would be the ultimate knee jerk reaction that would go south fast.

Kevin Durant is, at worst, the 4th best offensive player in the whole league, with a game that doesn’t rely whatsoever on athleticism. Trading Brown for him would not be a regret at all - it would be as unstoppable a team as any.

if you were getting him at age 30 with no major injuries, sure, you can roll the dice that he would regress after age 33, but thats the age you start seeing guys just start aging out. Can't move his feet on D already. If he had two years left, sure maybe, but those last two years 49 and 53 mill at age 36 and 37, yikes! You may as well pack Tatums bags and cross your fingers in the draft.

You move Brown for a guy under 30, Durant is a desperate "we need to win in the next couple years cause our main guys are getting old move". We aren't there yet.

KD is top 20 all-time and still a current top 5 talent. MJ won two or three titles after age 33, and could have won another had they stuck together. Considering the new Kyrie circus in Brooklyn, if KD is able to force himself on the table for Brown/Theis/picks, so KD can go for topping the Warriors next year while teaming up with his buddy Horford, Stevens needs to go to JT, see what JT thinks and do it if JT says “let’s do it.” It’s a no-brainer. We’d be getting KD six years later than we desired, but perhaps better late than never. It’s a storyline the NBA powers that be would love. Can you imagine the ratings if we rematched with the Warriors? Can you imagine what lifting us to a title over the Warriors would mean for KD’s legacy? KD has to be thinking about how he can force himself into this championship-caliber team at this point.

hmmmmmnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

The problem here is the logic. We don't have an undersized back up PG. White is a great size for a backup PG. What we have is an undersized backup SG, in Pritchard.

yup

[GreenlyGreeny]

Does anybody know whether KD has a no-trade clause?

[Csfan1984]

Does anybody know whether KD has a no-trade clause?

They gave him an extension with a raise while over the cap.
 That means they used bird rights. In turn player gets final say on deals or trade kicker or sometimes both. I'd guess he has final say and a kicker.

[GreenlyGreeny]

I’ve racked my brain every which way possible, and this is the absolute best thing that could happen to us:

BOS In: Kawhi
LAC In: Brown, Theis, Stauskas, however many picks/swaps it takes

Kawhi demanding a trade to team up with JT is literally the dream scenario. No more dreaming of Brown becoming Kawhi: We need the real deal, the best defensive wing on the planet and the second (or the) best all-around wing after JT, who’s now the best offensive wing on the planet. Mr. Playoffs Prime Time himself. You won’t see him shying away from the winning shots, missing pivotal free throws, and turning the ball over under pressure. He’ll show JT how to take it to the highest level, the legend level!

Kawhi’s tanned, rested and ready to win more rings so he can get his name in the top ten all-time. He’s only turning 31 next week, with a game based on BBIQ rather than athleticism, and knows he needs a better situation than LA to cement his legacy. He needs 3-4 rings in the next 5 years and so do we. Who’s the last guy to dethrone the Warriors in the Finals? Who’s undefeated in the Finals against the Warriors? Kawhi and with less of a supporting cast than we have now. Kawhi teaming up with JT, Horford, Smart, Timelord, Batman and D-White would make us unstoppable. And guess who helped coach Kawhi when he entered the league with the Spurs, and helped show him how to be the only player to ever shutdown Prime LeBron in 2014? U betcha it was Udoka!

Let’s do this!!!

[gouki88]

I’ve racked my brain every which way possible, and this is the absolute best thing that could happen to us:

BOS In: Kawhi
LAC In: Brown, Theis, Stauskas, however many picks/swaps it takes

Kawhi demanding a trade to team up with JT is literally the dream scenario. No more dreaming of Brown becoming Kawhi: We need the real deal, the best defensive wing on the planet and the second (or the) best all-around wing after JT, who’s now the best offensive wing on the planet. Mr. Playoffs Prime Time himself. You won’t see him shying away from the winning shots, missing pivotal free throws, and turning the ball over under pressure. He’ll show JT how to take it to the highest level, the legend level!

Kawhi’s tanned, rested and ready to win more rings so he can get his name in the top ten all-time. He’s only turning 31 next week, with a game based on BBIQ rather than athleticism, and knows he needs a better situation than LA to cement his legacy. He needs 3-4 rings in the next 5 years and so do we. Who’s the last guy to dethrone the Warriors in the Finals? Who’s undefeated in the Finals against the Warriors? Kawhi and with less of a supporting cast than we have now. Kawhi teaming up with JT, Horford, Smart, Timelord, Batman and D-White would make us unstoppable. And guess who helped coach Kawhi when he entered the league with the Spurs, and helped show him how to be the only player to ever shutdown Prime LeBron in 2014? U betcha it was Udoka!

Let’s do this!!!

There is nothing dreamy about such an insane risk.

[GreenlyGreeny]

I’ve racked my brain every which way possible, and this is the absolute best thing that could happen to us:

BOS In: Kawhi
LAC In: Brown, Theis, Stauskas, however many picks/swaps it takes

Kawhi demanding a trade to team up with JT is literally the dream scenario. No more dreaming of Brown becoming Kawhi: We need the real deal, the best defensive wing on the planet and the second (or the) best all-around wing after JT, who’s now the best offensive wing on the planet. Mr. Playoffs Prime Time himself. You won’t see him shying away from the winning shots, missing pivotal free throws, and turning the ball over under pressure. He’ll show JT how to take it to the highest level, the legend level!

Kawhi’s tanned, rested and ready to win more rings so he can get his name in the top ten all-time. He’s only turning 31 next week, with a game based on BBIQ rather than athleticism, and knows he needs a better situation than LA to cement his legacy. He needs 3-4 rings in the next 5 years and so do we. Who’s the last guy to dethrone the Warriors in the Finals? Who’s undefeated in the Finals against the Warriors? Kawhi and with less of a supporting cast than we have now. Kawhi teaming up with JT, Horford, Smart, Timelord, Batman and D-White would make us unstoppable. And guess who helped coach Kawhi when he entered the league with the Spurs, and helped show him how to be the only player to ever shutdown Prime LeBron in 2014? U betcha it was Udoka!

Let’s do this!!!

There is nothing dreamy about such an insane risk.

So he’s reportedly PO’d at the Clippers’ medical staff. Apparently one thing Kawhi will not stand for is medical staff not being forthright with him, as we learned from San Antonio. Can bet our bottom dollar he’s always getting second opinions and independent evaluations now. If the rumors are true, and he wants for force himself to a championship contender as a result, we’re the ideal situation for him and if he’s fully healthy, he’s the ideal piece for us. Udoka and him go way back. Tatum needs a guy like Kawhi who will take charge without making mistakes/turnovers and missing free throws. That’s a true 1A/1B duo and who’s A changes from game to game.

Clippers save face by getting JB, who was JT’s number two in a title run. Easy enough spin for them to make to their fan base when combining JB with picks. Move PG-13 for another solid, younger piece, and they’ve got a decent foundation to build upon. Meanwhile, and far more importantly, we’ll have two top ten (dare I say top five?) players with a great supporting cast.

It’s the best way forward if it’s possible to make it happen. If we cannot do that, rather than move JB or Smart, I’d rather just run the same team again with an MLE and one or two TPEs for more depth.

[pokeKingCurtis]

I’ve racked my brain every which way possible, and this is the absolute best thing that could happen to us:

BOS In: Kawhi
LAC In: Brown, Theis, Stauskas, however many picks/swaps it takes

Kawhi demanding a trade to team up with JT is literally the dream scenario. No more dreaming of Brown becoming Kawhi: We need the real deal, the best defensive wing on the planet and the second (or the) best all-around wing after JT, who’s now the best offensive wing on the planet. Mr. Playoffs Prime Time himself. You won’t see him shying away from the winning shots, missing pivotal free throws, and turning the ball over under pressure. He’ll show JT how to take it to the highest level, the legend level!

Kawhi’s tanned, rested and ready to win more rings so he can get his name in the top ten all-time. He’s only turning 31 next week, with a game based on BBIQ rather than athleticism, and knows he needs a better situation than LA to cement his legacy. He needs 3-4 rings in the next 5 years and so do we. Who’s the last guy to dethrone the Warriors in the Finals? Who’s undefeated in the Finals against the Warriors? Kawhi and with less of a supporting cast than we have now. Kawhi teaming up with JT, Horford, Smart, Timelord, Batman and D-White would make us unstoppable. And guess who helped coach Kawhi when he entered the league with the Spurs, and helped show him how to be the only player to ever shutdown Prime LeBron in 2014? U betcha it was Udoka!

Let’s do this!!!

There is nothing dreamy about such an insane risk.

So he’s reportedly PO’d at the Clippers’ medical staff. Apparently one thing Kawhi will not stand for is medical staff not being forthright with him, as we learned from San Antonio. Can bet our bottom dollar he’s always getting second opinions and independent evaluations now. If the rumors are true, and he wants for force himself to a championship contender as a result, we’re the ideal situation for him and if he’s fully healthy, he’s the ideal piece for us. Udoka and him go way back. Tatum needs a guy like Kawhi who will take charge without making mistakes/turnovers and missing free throws. That’s a true 1A/1B duo and who’s A changes from game to game.

Clippers save face by getting JB, who was JT’s number two in a title run. Easy enough spin for them to make to their fan base when combining JB with picks. Move PG-13 for another solid, younger piece, and they’ve got a decent foundation to build upon. Meanwhile, and far more importantly, we’ll have two top ten (dare I say top five?) players with a great supporting cast.

It’s the best way forward if it’s possible to make it happen. If we cannot do that, rather than move JB or Smart, I’d rather just run the same team again with an MLE and one or two TPEs for more depth.

Since you mentioned elsewhere that Brown has proven no longer to be a star because of his turnovers during these playoffs, what would entice the Clippers to trade for him using their best player?