Greenly’s Trade Ideas (merged)

[GreenlyGreeny]

Unless we win the title this year, I think we should try to orchestrate this:

Step One
BOS In: Zion
NOP In: BOS TPE, 2023 BOS 1st swap, 2024 BOS 1st, 2025 BOS 1st swap, 2026 BOS 1st, 2023 BOS 2nd (DAL/HOU), 2023 BOS 2nd (POR)

Step Two
BOS In: Kawhi, 2028 LAC 1st swap
LAC In: Brown, Zion

Step Three
BOS In: Dort
OKC In: Nesmith, Stauskas, 2027 BOS 1st swap, 2028 BOS 1st (includes swap with LAC, so OKC gets better pick), 2023 BOS 2nd (ORL - probably in the 30s)

Final Steps
Four year extension to Dort
Four year extension to Batman
Four year extension to Pritchard

It gives us one heck of a ten-deep team next year, possibly the greatest defense of all-time, and a roster with two top ten (top five?) players and future HOFers:

Smart/White
Dort/Pritchard
Kawhi/Batman
Tatum/Horford
Timelord/Theis

Bench: Ring-chasing vet 1, ring-chasing vet 2, Begarin, 2022 BOS 2nd (#53)

[celticsclay]

Unless we win the title this year, I think we should try to orchestrate this:

Step One
BOS In: Zion
NOP In: BOS TPE, 2023 BOS 1st swap, 2024 BOS 1st, 2025 BOS 1st swap, 2026 BOS 1st, 2023 BOS 2nd (DAL/HOU), 2023 BOS 2nd (POR)

Step Two
BOS In: Kawhi, 2028 LAC 1st swap
LAC In: Brown, Zion

Step Three
BOS In: Dort
OKC In: Nesmith, Stauskas, 2027 BOS 1st swap, 2028 BOS 1st (includes swap with LAC, so OKC gets better pick), 2023 BOS 2nd (ORL - probably in the 30s)

Final Steps
Four year extension to Dort
Four year extension to Batman
Four year extension to Pritchard

It gives us one heck of a ten-deep team next year, possibly the greatest defense of all-time, and a roster with two top ten (top five?) players and future HOFers:

Smart/White
Dort/Pritchard
Kawhi/Batman
Tatum/Horford
Timelord/Theis

Bench: Ring-chasing vet 1, ring-chasing vet 2, Begarin, 2022 BOS 2nd (#53)

I don’t even loosely understand the thinking behind this. Leonard hasn’t been healthy in years and did not play at all this season. But we just jump off a bridge and trade brown and Zion for him? That would literally be the worst trade in the history of the league. Come on man. This is flat out embarrassing.

[GreenlyGreeny]

Unless we win the title this year, I think we should try to orchestrate this:

Step One
BOS In: Zion
NOP In: BOS TPE, 2023 BOS 1st swap, 2024 BOS 1st, 2025 BOS 1st swap, 2026 BOS 1st, 2023 BOS 2nd (DAL/HOU), 2023 BOS 2nd (POR)

Step Two
BOS In: Kawhi, 2028 LAC 1st swap
LAC In: Brown, Zion

Step Three
BOS In: Dort
OKC In: Nesmith, Stauskas, 2027 BOS 1st swap, 2028 BOS 1st (includes swap with LAC, so OKC gets better pick), 2023 BOS 2nd (ORL - probably in the 30s)

Final Steps
Four year extension to Dort
Four year extension to Batman
Four year extension to Pritchard

It gives us one heck of a ten-deep team next year, possibly the greatest defense of all-time, and a roster with two top ten (top five?) players and future HOFers:

Smart/White
Dort/Pritchard
Kawhi/Batman
Tatum/Horford
Timelord/Theis

Bench: Ring-chasing vet 1, ring-chasing vet 2, Begarin, 2022 BOS 2nd (#53)

I don’t even loosely understand the thinking behind this. Leonard hasn’t been healthy in years and did not play at all this season. But we just jump off a bridge and trade brown and Zion for him? That would literally be the worst trade in the history of the league. Come on man. This is flat out embarrassing.

Kawhi is a top ten player who’s a top five when healthy. He was the best in the world during the title run with Toronto merely three years ago after people wrote him off due to taking a lot of time off for an injury. Yeah, he’s been away for a year, but word on the street is that he’s PO’d at the LA medical staff for misdiagnosing the injury earlier, so perhaps finding a way to sit out this year was his way of getting back at them?

Let’s face it: The trip to the Clips has not benefited Kawhi’s legacy. Would it be surprising if he forces his way out like he did after the San Antonio medical crew did him wrong? FWIW, his Wiki main profile pic is a pic with Toronto…Obviously LA needs to save face if Kawhi wants out and the powers that be want Zion in LA, so why not find a way to help them get what they want so we can get a 30 year old Kawhi? Michael Jordan won four titles in his 30s and could have won six if not for early retirement, so being 30/31 for a guy with Kawhi’s game still means he may have 5-6 elite years left in him, especially with fewer miles on those legs compared to others.

If this team falls short and needs anything, it’s more veteran leadership. A top ten player with titles certainly helps calm nerves and gets them focused. Kawhi will certainly not forget how to dribble in the ECF, or let his team turn the ball over 20+ times per game. Two time defensive player of the year, and perhaps the only guy to completely shutdown LeBron for entire games, he perfectly embodies our philosophy of “defense first.” If we fall short this year, Kawhi’s the guy who can be the next great Celtic who gets us to banner 18. Nobody else is available to help us get that extra push. All it would cost us is two years of Brown (still think he’s leaving after his current contract) and picks. The potential reward (titles, not just a title) is worth the risk...

[tenn_smoothie]

Wow Greenly. That is a pretty convincing argument for acquiring Kawhi Leonard.

The multi-million dollar question is his health, now and for future seasons. Seems his body may have broken down at this point.
All we need is another starter in addition to RobW, who is essentially day to day, for the rest of his career.

[nickagneta]

Since 2019, Kawhi has averaged 2.7 turnovers per game in the playoffs.

Jaylen 2.4

In this playoff season Jaylen has only averaged 2.9 turnovers, almost the same as Kawhi's #s since 2019 in playoffs.

[GreenlyGreeny]

If neither Kawhi nor KD is coming through that door via a superstar-forced blockbuster trade involving Brown/Theis/picks for KD (or Kawhi), it may be time to sell Smart at an all-time high as DPOY on a cheap contract set for four years by bringing in a traditional PG who can facilitate, minimize turnovers and still defend at a high level (and another guy that Ime knows and trusts, and D-White plays well with him too):

BOS In: DeJounte Murray
SAS In: Marcus Smart, 2024 BOS 1st, 2023 BOS 1st swap

Assumption: Murray has signaled he’s leaving San Antonio after his contract, but is willing to sign long-term with Boston. Otherwise, difficult to see us getting him for Smart and just one first.

Then we need to move picks and the big TPE for someone who can help us move the needle off the bench. I like this idea since Portland is rebuilding and may be open for trades:

BOS In: Josh Hart
POR In: BOS TPE, BOS 2022 2nd, (3) BOS 2023 2nds, 2028 BOS 1st

Assumption: Hart agrees to an extension.

For a final trade, package Nesmith, Pritchard and our 2026 1st for Dort:

BOS In: Lu Dort
OKC In: Nesmith, Pritchard, 2026 BOS 1st, 2025 BOS 1st swap

Assumption: Dort has signaled he’s leaving OKC after his expiring contract, but is willing to sign long-term with Boston. Otherwise, difficult to see us getting him for just this, but can see it happening as Dort is a UFA from Montreal a year from now without being extended. This dude is going to be bigger than Smart in 2-4 years if he gets settled in the right place.

Finally, use a taxpayer MLE on Jalen Smith if he’s available for the MLE (otherwise, best available big who can play the 4, with Horford/Theis being the injury relief for Timelord).

The above gives us a title contender that is DEEP, DEEP, DEEP with that D mentality Celtic Pride is all about:

Murray/White
Brown/Dort
Tatum/Hart
Horford/Batman/Smith
Timelord/Theis

Obviously this relies on key assumptions that Murray and Dort have told their small market team they are gone no matter what and would be willing to join the Boston title contending team, which quite a few folks ought to be interested in doing (we need to leverage the exposure from this Finals appearance and we need to do it ASAP).

[gouki88]

If neither Kawhi nor KD is coming through that door via a superstar-forced blockbuster trade involving Brown/Theis/picks for KD (or Kawhi), it may be time to sell Smart at an all-time high as DPOY on a cheap contract set for four years by bringing in a traditional PG who can facilitate, minimize turnovers and still defend at a high level (and another guy that Ime knows and trusts, and D-White plays well with him too):

BOS In: DeJounte Murray
SAS In: Marcus Smart, 2024 BOS 1st, 2023 BOS 1st swap

Assumption: Murray has signaled he’s leaving San Antonio after his contract, but is willing to sign long-term with Boston. Otherwise, difficult to see us getting him for Smart and just one first.

Then we need to move picks and the big TPE for someone who can help us move the needle off the bench. I like this idea since Portland is rebuilding and may be open for trades:

BOS In: Josh Hart
POR In: BOS TPE, BOS 2022 2nd, (3) BOS 2023 2nds, 2028 BOS 1st

Assumption: Hart agrees to an extension.

For a final trade, package Nesmith, Pritchard and our 2026 1st for Dort:

BOS In: Lu Dort
OKC In: Nesmith, Pritchard, 2026 BOS 1st, 2025 BOS 1st swap

Assumption: Dort has signaled he’s leaving OKC after his expiring contract, but is willing to sign long-term with Boston. Otherwise, difficult to see us getting him for just this, but can see it happening as Dort is a UFA from Montreal a year from now without being extended. This dude is going to be bigger than Smart in 2-4 years if he gets settled in the right place.

Finally, use a taxpayer MLE on Jalen Smith if he’s available for the MLE (otherwise, best available big who can play the 4, with Horford/Theis being the injury relief for Timelord).

The above gives us a title contender that is DEEP, DEEP, DEEP with that D mentality Celtic Pride is all about:

Murray/White
Brown/Dort
Tatum/Hart
Horford/Batman/Smith
Timelord/Theis

Obviously this relies on key assumptions that Murray and Dort have told their small market team they are gone no matter what and would be willing to join the Boston title contending team, which quite a few folks ought to be interested in doing (we need to leverage the exposure from this Finals appearance and we need to do it ASAP).

San Antonio hangs up laughing

[GreenlyGreeny]

If neither Kawhi nor KD is coming through that door via a superstar-forced blockbuster trade involving Brown/Theis/picks for KD (or Kawhi), it may be time to sell Smart at an all-time high as DPOY on a cheap contract set for four years by bringing in a traditional PG who can facilitate, minimize turnovers and still defend at a high level (and another guy that Ime knows and trusts, and D-White plays well with him too):

BOS In: DeJounte Murray
SAS In: Marcus Smart, 2024 BOS 1st, 2023 BOS 1st swap

Assumption: Murray has signaled he’s leaving San Antonio after his contract, but is willing to sign long-term with Boston. Otherwise, difficult to see us getting him for Smart and just one first.

Then we need to move picks and the big TPE for someone who can help us move the needle off the bench. I like this idea since Portland is rebuilding and may be open for trades:

BOS In: Josh Hart
POR In: BOS TPE, BOS 2022 2nd, (3) BOS 2023 2nds, 2028 BOS 1st

Assumption: Hart agrees to an extension.

For a final trade, package Nesmith, Pritchard and our 2026 1st for Dort:

BOS In: Lu Dort
OKC In: Nesmith, Pritchard, 2026 BOS 1st, 2025 BOS 1st swap

Assumption: Dort has signaled he’s leaving OKC after his expiring contract, but is willing to sign long-term with Boston. Otherwise, difficult to see us getting him for just this, but can see it happening as Dort is a UFA from Montreal a year from now without being extended. This dude is going to be bigger than Smart in 2-4 years if he gets settled in the right place.

Finally, use a taxpayer MLE on Jalen Smith if he’s available for the MLE (otherwise, best available big who can play the 4, with Horford/Theis being the injury relief for Timelord).

The above gives us a title contender that is DEEP, DEEP, DEEP with that D mentality Celtic Pride is all about:

Murray/White
Brown/Dort
Tatum/Hart
Horford/Batman/Smith
Timelord/Theis

Obviously this relies on key assumptions that Murray and Dort have told their small market team they are gone no matter what and would be willing to join the Boston title contending team, which quite a few folks ought to be interested in doing (we need to leverage the exposure from this Finals appearance and we need to do it ASAP).

San Antonio hangs up laughing

It’s comparable to the return they got for Kawhi (DeRozan being a sort of poor man’s version of Kawhi on a longer contract). Admittedly, Kawhi was on an expiring, had superstar status and was willing to sit out without being sent to somewhere where he liked. But if Murray has signaled he’s not re-signing, San Antonio is going to need to move him within the next 12-14 months. If Murray said he’d sign an extension with Boston to build a big three for us, are we so certain that San Antonio hangs up? From a marketing perspective, they’re getting the reigning defensive player of the year on a cheap four year contract who raised his profile considerably more than Murray among fair-weather players who have no idea how good Murray is because he’s never been around in the playoffs. That plus 1-2 first-rounders could possibly do it. Put Murray in this system and I’m not sure it’s a stretch he becomes DPOY and, more importantly, becomes known as a star floor general akin to Chris Paul. That’s what Murray wants. That’s what we want. Hopefully Brad can make it happen. Running back the team with that move alone, plus the TPE and a MLE, makes us just enough better to win it all next year IMHO.

One of my worst fears is that Brown and Smart do not get along so great, which is hopefully not the case. I suspect Tatum gets along with most anybody. If there’s any chemistry issue simmering in the locker room like that with Brown and Smart, though, we need to cash-in on Smart while he’s DPOY. Now if the three are truly all close to one another now, sure, run the three back. But any doubt, or if they merely get along professionally, unload Smart at this point IMHO. We are most likely to get someone to overpay for Smart rather than Brown at this point.

[GreenlyGreeny]

How about another throwback idea, which would require two steps:

1. Use TPE and multiple second-round picks to acquire someone decent slated for $14.5-16.5M (to make the dollars work below)
2. Flip that person (labeled TPE below) for this:

BOS In: Scary Terry
CHA In: TPE, Pritchard, Nesmith

Go into 2022-2023 with these potential rotations, finishing off slots 11-13 with ring-chasing vets who can further mentor JT/JB (slot 14 goes to Begarin):

Rozier/White or Smart
Smart/White or Brown
Brown/MLE or Tatum
Tatum/Batman or Horford
Timelord/Horford or Theis

If the guys loved Rozier, bringing back the last guy from the 2018 run for unfinished business may do the trick? And we still have our firsts in order if it does not work.

Here’s Terry explaining how his true position/preference is PG:

https://www.si.com/nba/hornets/news/terry-rozier-point-guard-is-my-natural-position

He does bring that unpredictability on offense we saw throughout the 2018 run, and his defensive stats were decent in Stevens’ system. He’s since matured greatly as a scorer and passer. Meanwhile, Smart can still run the defense at SG and be a backup PG or starting PG if Rozier cannot play. I still think we’d have been better off paying Rozier and Horford in 2019 rather than Kemba. What a shame, but it might not be too late to bring back the band.

[GreenlyGreeny]

Perhaps a bit more likely is below, keeping in mind we would move the TPE for McConnell and then execute the rest of the deal with Indiana in order to make it work as back-to-back trades:

BOS In: TJ McConnell, Chris Duarte
IND In: TPE, Pritchard, BOS 2022 2nd, BOS 2024 1st (unprotected), BOS 2028 1st (the one being swapped with SAS, but we maintain number one protection, so if it conveyed as 1, SAS get our 2029 1st and IND gets our 2028 2nd)

Then use the remainder of the TPE for more depth:

BOS In: Jeff Green
DEN In: TPE, (2) 2023 2nds, 2023 1st swap

Move D-White into the starting lineup, probably make Horford 6MOTY, and give Nesmith his make-or-break year:

White/McConnell
Smart/Duarte
Brown/Nesmith
Tatum/Batman/Green
Timelord/Horford/Theis

Add a ring-chasing vet who plays 3/2 at the MLE in slot 13 so they can provide mentorship/sparks off the bench (and provide a hedge against Nesmith struggling). Give Begarin his chance as 14th man. Green/Theis are a hedge against Batman regressing and/or Timelord being injury-plagued, the latter sadly being a safe bet…

The above is a significant upgrade without completely breaking the bank. I think the above could beat a healthy Bucks and the Warriors next year.

[GreenlyGreeny]

Have given it a lot of thought, and I think Nesmith showed just enough that he should get a make-or-break year. It’s possible he will pleasantly surprise us like Grant did this year. In terms of Pritchard, I love the feistiness and have not forgotten about his offensive sparks off the bench in the eastern playoffs, but he was seriously exposed by the Warriors in the Finals. As much as I want to root for the guy, I think if anybody in our 8-man rotation should be traded for an upgrade, it’s him.

The prior thread had us acquiring Duarte alongside McConnell. I really like what Duarte brings, but so may the Pacers. As such, and this keeps happening to me every time I think about the best way to upgrade, I’m back to my two binkies: Lu Dort and TJ McConnell.

Trade 1
BOS In: TJ McConnell
IND In: BOS TPE, BOS 2022 2nd, (2) BOS 2023 2nds

Commentary: Make it all 2023 2nds if needed. McConnell can defend/pass and is the perfect backup PG to replace Pritchard.

Trade 2
BOS In: Lu Dort
OKC In: Pritchard, however many picks/swaps it takes

Commentary: This dude has the talent to basically have our floor with a Smart-caliber defender on the floor every minute of the game so long as both Dort and Smart are healthy. He can even defend/play the three despite his height. Love this move and it is, by far, my highest desire for the off-season (other than somehow landing my man Kawhi, or seeing KD force his way here).

Trade 3
BOS In: Jeff Green
DEN In: Remainder of TPE, 2023 BOS 1st swap

Commentary: Whether or not Denver goes for it, I love the idea of seeing Green retire in Celtic green. He can bring another much-needed veteran voice to the club.

Free Agency
Use the MLE to bring in the best two-way veteran available who can play the 3. Give Begarin his shot as the 14th man. Make White our starting PG, so Horford becomes our sixth man (and starter for many games in the season when Timelord is hurt, assuming that trend to continue…)

Roster
White/McConnell
Smart/Dort
Brown/Nesmith/MLE
Tatum/Batman/Green
Timelord/Horford/Theis

Bench: Begarin

Commentary: Now deep enough that fatigue/injuries should no longer be a concern. With the exception of Begarin and possibly Nesmith if he does not get to the next level, all these guys should get minutes every game.

Let’s go, Celtics!

[GreenlyGreeny]

Maybe an interesting way to sell Smart at his highest given his DPOY status, and get some of the Jazz’s older pieces as they rebuild (this helps them clear 22M off their books):

BOS In: Mike Conley, Bojan Bogdonovich, Talen Horton-Tucker
UTA In: Pritchard, Theis, Nesmith, Stauskas, Kendrick Nunn, 2026 LAL 1st, 2022 BOS 2nd
LAL In: Smart

Or:

BOS In: Conley, Bogdonovich, Horton-Tucker
BOS Out: Smart, Pritchard, Theis, Nesmith, Stauskas, 2022 2nd

UTA In: Nunn, Pritchard, Theis, Nesmith, Stauskas, 2026 LAL 1st, 2022 BOS 2nd
UTA Out: Conley, Bogdonovich

LAL In: Smart
LAL Out: Nunn, Horton-Tucker, 2026 LAL 1st

Gets us the Floor General PG and backup wing we desperately need, plus a very young, growing defensive-minded guard in Horton-Tucker as our longer-term replacement for Smart (if we did all of this, I’d still go after Dort too). Gives LAL some hope of an upgrade over last year, which is how we get the 2026 1st out of them (LeBron could care less about that pick, but it would be very attractive to Ainge). Ainge would move Nunn to a contender somewhere for a pick and save another $5 million, getting the Jazz below the luxury line while waiting to figure out what to do with Gobert and Mitchell, plus he gets to show the world how smart he was when he drafted Pritchard and Nesmith…

Conley/White
Brown/Dort (separate deal)/Horton-Tucker
Tatum/Bogdonovich
Horford/GWill
Timelord/MLE on a 5/4

The above is a massive upgrade IMHO so long as Conley remains solid in his mid-30s like CP3 has.

While we’re at it, let’s try to hire Quin Snyder as Udoka’s top lieutenant or Stevens’ top lieutenant if Snyder wants a break from being HC (Stevens can definitely relate to Quin’s feelings of being burnt out and not wanting to deal with Ainge lol)

[nickagneta]

If Brooklyn moves Kyrie and Durant gets to the point of not wanting to be in Brooklyn, does this make sense:

Boston In: Kevin Durant:

Brooklyn In: Jaylen Brown, Derrick White, Aaron Nesmith, 2023, 2025, 2027 1st rounders and 2026 pick swap

Remember, KD wanted to go to the NYC area to be closer to his non-basketball related enterprises. Boston provides a vicinity that is as close to NYC as possible and be in the NBA while also providing a sure fire title contending situation. Maybe, sure fire leading contender for a title

Smart/Pritchard
Tatum/TMLE
Durant/TPE pickup
Horford/Grant
Timelord/Theis

[gouki88]

If Brooklyn moves Kyrie and Durant gets to the point of not wanting to be in Brooklyn, does this make sense:

Boston In: Kevin Durant:

Brooklyn In: Jaylen Brown, Derrick White, Aaron Nesmith, 2023, 2025, 2027 1st rounders and 2026 pick swap

Remember, KD wanted to go to the NYC area to be closer to his non-basketball related enterprises. Boston provides a vicinity that is as close to NYC as possible and be in the NBA while also providing a sure fire title contending situation. Maybe, sure fire leading contender for a title

Smart/Pritchard
Tatum/TMLE
Durant/TPE pickup
Horford/Grant
Timelord/Theis

That team would be incredibly interesting. Pairing Tatum and Durant would be unbelievable.

Makes me wonder about potential super-team construction with Beal perhaps wanting out too, but I’m not sure we have enough picks to throw around

[Sketch5]

If Brooklyn moves Kyrie and Durant gets to the point of not wanting to be in Brooklyn, does this make sense:

Boston In: Kevin Durant:

Brooklyn In: Jaylen Brown, Derrick White, Aaron Nesmith, 2023, 2025, 2027 1st rounders and 2026 pick swap

Remember, KD wanted to go to the NYC area to be closer to his non-basketball related enterprises. Boston provides a vicinity that is as close to NYC as possible and be in the NBA while also providing a sure fire title contending situation. Maybe, sure fire leading contender for a title

Smart/Pritchard
Tatum/TMLE
Durant/TPE pickup
Horford/Grant
Timelord/Theis

That team would be incredibly interesting. Pairing Tatum and Durant would be unbelievable.

Makes me wonder about potential super-team construction with Beal perhaps wanting out too, but I’m not sure we have enough picks to throw around

No thanks to Durant. He's gotten a bit slower on D, Tatum had a field day with him. And While he still can score, he'll be 37 at the end of his contract and we would be paying him 53 mill. Brown wouldn't even be 30 by the end of Durants contract. A Bron for Durant trade would be the ultimate knee jerk reaction that would go south fast.