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Title: Euroleague 2016-17
Post by: greece66 on January 24, 2017, 01:15:11 PM
I understand I'm a bit late for this, but better late than never

PS for the mods: if this is the wrong place for this thread, or there is already a similar thread open, apologies in advance
Title: Re: Euroleague 2016-17
Post by: greece66 on January 24, 2017, 01:42:39 PM
PAO-Barcelona thread

Not sure what lang the commentators speak, my guess is Serbo-Croatian

http://cdn.livetvcdn.net/webplayer.php?t=ifr&c=577246&lang=ru&eid=488015&lid=577246&ci=41&si=3
Title: Re: Euroleague 2016-17
Post by: vgulab on January 24, 2017, 01:46:50 PM

Not sure what lang the commentators speak, my guess is Serbo-Croatian


Yes, you are correct
Title: Re: Euroleague 2016-17
Post by: Who on January 24, 2017, 01:55:50 PM
Is there a draft prospect playing in this game?

Or did you post it because it is two big name teams?
Title: Re: Euroleague 2016-17
Post by: greece66 on January 24, 2017, 02:08:40 PM
@Who

PAO is the team I support in Greece.

Having said this, there are some players that were discussed as draft prospects.

PAO's Charalambopoulos (b.1997). He is a forward with good fundamentals but probably not athletic enough to make  a career in the NBA.

His Draft Express page (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Vasilis-Charalampopoulos-62818/)

And Barcelona's Vezenkov (b. 1995, PF). He could have been a second rounder in 2016 or even 2015 but he chose to withdraw his name and play in Barcelona instead. I was actually hoping DA would have picked him as a second rounder. At this stage, however, he looks like a good European bball scorer whose skills would not translate well in the NBA (the key word is slow).

Vezenkov's Draft Express page (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Aleksandar-Vezenkov-6429/)
Title: Re: Euroleague 2016-17
Post by: greece66 on January 24, 2017, 02:11:40 PM
Ah the joys of Gr sports... for the last 3 mins the fans are shouting 'f*** Olympiakos', without any reason whatsoever.
Title: Re: Euroleague 2016-17
Post by: ederson on January 24, 2017, 02:49:36 PM
Second vote for Charampopoulos. I have high hopes for him

Not the physical freak Giannis is but his is a baller and he has great bball iq
Imho the best european in his age
Title: Re: Euroleague 2016-17
Post by: greece66 on January 24, 2017, 02:59:23 PM
CSKA lost to Zalgiris, I wasn't expecting this.
Title: Re: Euroleague 2016-17
Post by: konkmv on January 24, 2017, 03:00:33 PM
Charalambopoulos as papagiannis should play 2-3 years at euroleague level and then try to move to nba... giannis was an exception... had unreal physical tools
Panathinaikos and celtics fan too!!!!!
Title: Re: Euroleague 2016-17
Post by: greece66 on January 24, 2017, 03:23:16 PM
Nice win for PAO. IMO Pascual does a much better job than Pedoulakis.

Title: Re: Euroleague 2016-17
Post by: greece66 on January 24, 2017, 03:32:07 PM
@konkmv

IMO Spanish teams are doing a much better job at developing talents than Greek ones.  eg Barcelona has its development team which plays in LEB oro, and their young players get plenty of playing time there.

I see your point, Papagiannis wasn't NBA ready when drafted but he wasn't getting mins with Panathinaikos anyway.
Title: Re: Euroleague 2016-17
Post by: saltlover on January 24, 2017, 03:38:17 PM
Post a link for a Real Madrid game sometime.  I only have eyes for Doncic.
Title: Re: Euroleague 2016-17
Post by: The One on January 24, 2017, 03:56:18 PM
Post a link for a Real Madrid game sometime.  I only have eyes for Doncic.

Some say he's the best 2018 prospect:

http://www.ridiculousupside.com/2016/10/10/13212776/luka-doncic-real-madrid-nba-draft-2018

Title: Re: Euroleague 2016-17
Post by: konkmv on January 24, 2017, 03:57:41 PM
Panathinaikos and olympiakos are obligated to win... always... have you ever watched a derby?..but... the talents that managed to play from very young age for those clubs had great careers...
Alvertis spanoulis diamantidis fotsis played all before being 23 as starters for the greens
When a team had players like dominique wilkins byron scott antonio davis radja vrankovic bordironga rebracca komazec galis giannakis christodoulou giasikevicius paspalij in ther starting lineup you must be exceptional to play...
Title: Re: Euroleague 2016-17
Post by: greece66 on January 24, 2017, 04:23:39 PM
Panathinaikos and olympiakos are obligated to win... always... have you ever watched a derby?..but... the talents that managed to play from very young age for those clubs had great careers...
Alvertis spanoulis diamantidis fotsis played all before being 23 as starters for the greens
When a team had players like dominique wilkins byron scott antonio davis radja vrankovic bordironga rebracca komazec galis giannakis christodoulou giasikevicius paspalij in ther starting lineup you must be exceptional to play...

έλληνας είμαι βρε  ::)

Barcelona and Real have to win too, that's why they have d-teams.
Title: Re: Euroleague 2016-17
Post by: greece66 on January 24, 2017, 04:25:49 PM
Real plays tomorrow vs Brose Bamberg at 21.00 gr time

Darussafaka plays too at 20.30 gr time. I'll try to post a reminder a couple of hours before the games.
Title: Re: Euroleague 2016-17
Post by: konkmv on January 24, 2017, 04:45:39 PM
Το προβλημα στην ελλαδα οτι οι απο κατω ειναι σε πολυ χαμηλο επιπεδο
Title: Re: Euroleague 2016-17
Post by: greece66 on January 24, 2017, 05:51:29 PM
@konkmv

It is true that in Greece Oly and PAO are very dominant and this is bad for our national championships. This is a very long conversation, I'll just write down quickly some thoughts.

1. The situation in Spain and Israel (let alone Russia...) is not that different.

2. We all know what happened to Salonica teams in the early 90s. I actually lived there until 1987 and was visiting frequently in the 90s. The day Michailidis announced that the club was in financial trouble and the great players had to go you could literally see ppl weep in front of TV screens. That did a great damage to our league. To this day, Aris might be the only team whose fans prefer bball over soccer - their team deserves better.

3. It's far too easy for Oly-PAO to take young talents from smaller clubs. Going back to Papagiannis, I would have liked him to play in Peristeri a bit more. There are countless similar examples of young players taken from one of the two big teams not so much to be given meaningful mins but to make sure their rival won't take them.

Luckily, Moraitis (που είναι φτυστός ο Διαμαντίδης που τόσο αγαπάς) ended up in AEK and Jure Jdovc. But this was the exception to the rule.

4. Corruption, corruption, corruption. Refs are a huge prob. I want small teams to get fair officiating. It's one thing to compete against a team that pays for a single player more than you pay for your whole roster (and has the support of an army of organized fans - several hundreds of whom are literally thugs) ; it is another to have, on top of that, to deal with refs who decide every disputed call  in favour of Oly and PAO. You'll never get a competitive league this way.

One solution would be to make the Euroleague a closed championship. Teams that can afford a certain budget will compete there and the rest will play in their respective national championships. This would have the added advantage of allowing PAO and Oly to develop a d-team to play in the local championship. It would have obvious benefits for Barcelona, Real, Maccabi, CSKA, Zalgiris etc too.
But IMO this is a very ambitious project and -despite being discussed for many years- it will not materialize, at least not in the foreseeable future.

So, we'll have to continue dealing with a league with only two championship contenders. That's why I hardly watch the Greek League.
Title: Re: Euroleague 2016-17
Post by: greece66 on January 24, 2017, 11:00:43 PM
Below is Euroleague's schedule for 25 Jan. This is in Gr time, so it is Boston time +7. Therefore, Daru plays at 13.30 ET, Real at 14.00 ET and Armani Milan at 14.45 ET. Which means most ppl will be at work...

(https://i.gyazo.com/33180397304b28072499ce1fb8c17560.png)

As I already mentioned in the Zizic thread, you can find streams here (http://livetv141.net/enx/allupcomingsports/3/).

As a rule of thumb, Euroleague's streams are much better quality than the NBA ones. There's little difference from watching TV.

Regarding NBA prospects playing in these games:

Zizic obviously, Aleksej Nikolic (Bamberg, PG, 21 yo), Leon Kratzer (Bamberg, Center, 19 yo), Doncic (Real, SG, 17 yo), Simone Fontecchio (Armani Milan, 21 yo, SF), Vassilis Toliopoulos (Oly, PG, 20 yo), Ioannis Papapetrou (Oly, SF, 22 yo), Dimitris Agravanis (Oly, PF, 22 yo).

Zizic and Doncic apart, the two other good prospects are probably the two Bamberg players.

For the rest, the chances are that they will stay in Europe.
Title: Re: Euroleague 2016-17
Post by: hwangjini_1 on January 24, 2017, 11:39:29 PM
G666, I have been reading absolute rave reviews about doncic. Supposedly he will be one the best players in the world soon. An NBA super star wrote one person.

You have seen him play, I am sure. How do you read his talent and ability developing?

Oh, and how is ntilikina as well?

Thanks.
Title: Re: Euroleague 2016-17
Post by: saltlover on January 25, 2017, 12:00:27 AM
G666, I have been reading absolute rave reviews about doncic. Supposedly he will be one the best players in the world soon. An NBA super star wrote one person.

You have seen him play, I am sure. How do you read his talent and ability developing?

Oh, and how is ntilikina as well?

Thanks.

Doncic is amazing.  He isn't even 18, and is already posting near triple-doubles against top European competition.  His only flaw is that he's another guard, albeit a 6'8" 17 year-old who's probably a PG on offense.  He's shooting 42% from 3, and is a terrific passer.  A Fultz-Doncic backcourt could be ridiculous.  I don't care if we never get a big.  I just want those two guys. And after tonight's guard play, I'm even more ready for them.
Title: Re: Euroleague 2016-17
Post by: ederson on January 25, 2017, 03:39:33 AM
He will be 18 in a month and he already plays 20mins per game for Real Madrid.

If a kid can play will get mins (be*cough*dner*cough cough*)


The only question in my mind is what is better ... play a couple of years more in Spain or move to NBA in june ?
Title: Re: Euroleague 2016-17
Post by: saltlover on January 25, 2017, 04:07:38 AM
He will be 18 in a month and he already plays 20mins per game for Real Madrid.

If a kid can play will get mins (be*cough*dner*cough cough*)


The only question in my mind is what is better ... play a couple of years more in Spain or move to NBA in june ?

He's not NBA eligible for another year.  So one more year in Spain.
Title: Re: Euroleague 2016-17
Post by: greece66 on January 25, 2017, 06:56:46 AM
@hwangjini_1 Doncic is indeed an excellent prospect.

Answering Ederson's question, I'd like him to come to the NBA as soon as he can declare for the draft because the transition can be tricky esp. for guards. That is the 2018 draft.

Ntilikina's team does not compete in the Euroleague, so I haven't watched him play.

Btw, our old aquaintance Vezenkov was p good yesterday. If he came to the C's today I think he would be our best 3point shooter after Thomas from day 1. But I'm afraid that when it comes to the NBA and Vezenkov  that ship has sailed. He is 21 and has developed his skills in a way that fits much better the European style of play.

Anyway, it has rained today in Athens, so no pickup bball for me. I have nothing better to do than stay home and watch the games. I'll write my thoughts in a few hours.
Title: Re: Euroleague 2016-17
Post by: greece66 on January 25, 2017, 01:27:26 PM
omg Tsmoki of my beloved Minsk plays Nanterre for the Eurocup (not Euroleague)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArswgmzgqtY

В перёд, Минцаны, за родину!

(utterly irrelevant game otherwise)
Title: Re: Euroleague 2016-17
Post by: greece66 on January 25, 2017, 01:32:36 PM
On a more serious note, here is the Darussafaka game (Turkish commentators)

http://cdn.livetvcdn.net/webplayer.php?t=ifr&c=577243&lang=en&eid=488017&lid=577243&ci=41&si=3
Title: Re: Euroleague 2016-17
Post by: greece66 on January 25, 2017, 01:33:05 PM
Zizic is among the starting 5.
Title: Re: Euroleague 2016-17
Post by: greece66 on January 25, 2017, 01:45:26 PM
Good offensive game by Zizic so far: both posting up and playing the PnR
Title: Re: Euroleague 2016-17
Post by: greece66 on January 25, 2017, 06:47:34 PM
For future reference, here you have streams of all Euroleague games

http://livetv141.net/enx/allupcomingsports/3/
Title: Re: Euroleague 2016-17
Post by: hwangjini_1 on January 25, 2017, 08:28:41 PM
Many thanks g666 and a tp as ever.

I hope the weather clears up soon, and be careful of those knees. ;D
Title: Re: Euroleague 2016-17
Post by: greece66 on January 25, 2017, 10:55:15 PM
Many thanks g666 and a tp as ever.

I hope the weather clears up soon, and be careful of those knees. ;D

I'm just chucking threes like there is no tomorrow. I don't even get close to the paint  ;D
Title: Re: Euroleague 2016-17
Post by: greece66 on January 30, 2017, 12:05:23 PM
This week's schedule

Darussafaka plays Emporio Armani Milan

Fener-CSKA should be a fun game to watch

(https://i.gyazo.com/cbb8b09f6e352377f0971a867a61fdce.png)

PS in Europe the first team is the one that plays at home. So Fener-CSKA is at Turkey not Russia.
Title: Re: Euroleague 2016-17
Post by: greece66 on January 31, 2017, 09:20:46 PM
EuroLeague MVP for January: Ognjen Kuzmic, Crvena Zvezda mts Belgrade (http://www.euroleague.net/news/i/7krkqwl6t7x8i37g/turkish-airlines-euroleague-mvp-for-january-ognjen-kuzmic-crvena-zvezda-mts-belgrade)

Red Star is doing well lately. I really like this (hope my Croatian friends want get this the wrong way ;D).

It is an old team (founded 1945) from a country where people love basketball. Breaks the Spanish-Greek-Russian-Turkish monopoly we had the last few years. The more countries have teams that do well, the better.

And yes, this is the Kuzmic we are talking about

(https://i.gyazo.com/117f36b68f60685da7b574b3a1e3f424.png)
Title: Re: Euroleague 2016-17
Post by: greece66 on February 01, 2017, 06:17:44 PM
top-10 assists for January

nr 1 is by Doncic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRBTvh2aMXY

top-10 blocks for January

nr 1 by Doncic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOqR5IahpsY

top-10 dunks for January

didn't see any of the young prospects we follow

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDR05hPq1Fs
Title: Re: Euroleague 2016-17
Post by: greece66 on February 04, 2017, 06:59:49 AM
Didn't have the opportunity to watch a game this week, so I'm simply writing down a synopsis.

The standings; first eight teams get in the playoffs.
(https://i.gyazo.com/b135580c16ccbb44297cc4786feaef1c.png)

This week's results.
(https://i.gyazo.com/7567c72d205baec3ee228c662222d504.png)

PS Here (https://www.reddit.com/r/Euroleague/) is a subreddit dedicated to the Euroleague. It has less than 200 subscribers, but it is regularly updated with highlights.
Title: Re: Euroleague 2016-17
Post by: greece66 on February 10, 2017, 10:24:00 AM
Today's games

(https://i.gyazo.com/befc702fb7a3bce18c0605954f65843f.png)

Hopefully, I ll be back home on time to watch Barça-Galatasaray.

Edit: times are ET - 7. eg the Barcelona game is at 14.00. ET -6, eg the Barcelona game starts at 15.00. 
Title: Re: Euroleague 2016-17
Post by: greece66 on February 10, 2017, 12:58:25 PM
Darussafaka-Fener stream

http://livetv141.net/enx/eventinfo/493582_darussafaka_fenerbahce/
Title: Re: Euroleague 2016-17
Post by: saltlover on February 10, 2017, 01:09:47 PM
Darussafaka-Fener stream

http://livetv141.net/enx/eventinfo/493582_darussafaka_fenerbahce/

Thanks.  (Too bad I'm at work.)
Title: Re: Euroleague 2016-17
Post by: apc on February 10, 2017, 01:10:46 PM
Darussafaka-Fener stream

http://livetv141.net/enx/eventinfo/493582_darussafaka_fenerbahce/
Looks like Zizic is playing well 6/7 for 12p. and 8 rebounds so far. 
Title: Re: Euroleague 2016-17
Post by: apc on February 10, 2017, 01:12:38 PM
Zizic  and Harangody vs Gigi  ;D ;D
Celtics connections everywhere!
Title: Re: Euroleague 2016-17
Post by: greece66 on February 10, 2017, 01:23:25 PM
Darussafaka-Fener stream

http://livetv141.net/enx/eventinfo/493582_darussafaka_fenerbahce/
Looks like Zizic is playing well 6/7 for 12p. and 8 rebounds so far.

I would appreciate a link to the box score, if you may.

Yes, Zizic has been good so far and he is playing against Ekpe Udoh.
Title: Re: Euroleague 2016-17
Post by: saltlover on February 10, 2017, 01:26:16 PM
Darussafaka-Fener stream

http://livetv141.net/enx/eventinfo/493582_darussafaka_fenerbahce/
Looks like Zizic is playing well 6/7 for 12p. and 8 rebounds so far.

I would appreciate a link to the box score, if you may.

Yes, Zizic has been good so far and he is playing against Ekpe Udoh.

Here you go!

http://www.euroleague.net/main/results/showgame?gamecode=174&seasoncode=E2016 (http://www.euroleague.net/main/results/showgame?gamecode=174&seasoncode=E2016)
Title: Re: Euroleague 2016-17
Post by: greece66 on February 10, 2017, 01:40:18 PM
lol Obradovic is fuming
Title: Re: Euroleague 2016-17
Post by: greece66 on February 10, 2017, 02:04:13 PM
This was an important game for both teams: Fener wanted the W to enter the playoffs with homecourt advantage; and Darussafaka needed the W to stay within playoff contention.

tbh I expected Fener to win, they are a better team on paper, they were Euroleague finalists last year, and played at home. Darussafaka had a nice 4th quarter (25-18) and won 72-65.

Zizic (14 pts, 6/7 FGs, 10 rebs) was arguably the best player of the game.
Title: Re: Euroleague 2016-17
Post by: greece66 on February 10, 2017, 02:08:03 PM
Olympiacos-Zalgiris stream

http://livetv141.net/enx/eventinfo/493583_olympiacos_zalgiris/#_

Some interesting young players:

Isaiah Hartenstein (Zalgiris)

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Isaiah-Hartenstein-81574/

Martynas Varnas (Zalgiris)

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Martynas-Varnas-73351/

Dimitris Agravanis (Olympiacos, 22 yo, picked at 59 by the Hawks in 2015)

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Dimitris-Agravanis-42207/
Title: Re: Euroleague 2016-17
Post by: ederson on February 11, 2017, 07:17:12 AM
What do think about the new format ?
Title: Re: Euroleague 2016-17
Post by: greece66 on February 11, 2017, 07:25:18 AM
What do think about the new format ?

I like it.

You get more games of the top teams against each other during the regular season.

The elimination of groups also reduces the importance of luck.
Title: Re: Euroleague 2016-17
Post by: greece66 on February 13, 2017, 10:35:58 AM
Standings at the end of Round 22. All teams have 22 games. There still are eight rounds.

(https://i.gyazo.com/0835f899c1281ea5998d163810b0c9ee.png)

Note that after the first playoff round (best of five), you have the Final Four in Istanbul. So, although it is good to finish in the first four to have home court advantage, the difference between finishing first and fourth is not as big as in the NBA.

Panathinaikos is  competing with Fenerbahce for the 4th seed.  Darussafaka is trying to get to the 8th seed - not that getting a bit higher and avoiding Real and CSKA in the playoffs would hurt.

After losing to Galatasaray on February 10, Barcelona is in big trouble.

Below are the games of round 23:

(https://i.gyazo.com/8a241b31f2dce94e809627cfdfe14eeb.png)

Real-Darussafaka is the most interesting IMO: you have Zizic and Doncic, good rosters, and both teams having an incentive.

Anadolu Efes- Baskonia is another good one, mainly because these two are very close on the standings.
Title: Re: Euroleague 2016-17
Post by: greece66 on February 25, 2017, 04:59:46 PM
And now for another awfuly late update  :P

Results at the end of Round 23.

(https://i.gyazo.com/c169ca4ebd7ac2c31c821c478dccd803.png)

Darussafaka did not make it against Real, and Anadolu got the W in the critical game against Baskonia.

Full results here (http://www.euroleague.net/main/results).

And here is Round 24.

(https://i.gyazo.com/921a4cb0a2bfd4d8c7d15ea5d5eac1bc.png)

Note that the same format as in soccer is used, ie the host is cited first. For example, Darussafaka plays in Istanbul against Panathinaikos.
Title: Re: Euroleague 2016-17
Post by: greece66 on February 25, 2017, 05:09:26 PM
Now a post specifically about Darussafaka's chances of getting the 8th seed.

Here are the remaining games:

(https://i.gyazo.com/710d4808e1e7fdcbf5f4cd0ef771cf1e.png)

I'm a Panathinaikos fan, but I really hope Zizic and the rest of the gang make it this time. If they lose, their chances will start looking slim.

For future reference, here are the tiebreakers:

(https://i.gyazo.com/ff239847ddd3c9c23fe46094e4f03efb.png)
Title: Re: Euroleague 2016-17
Post by: greece66 on April 17, 2017, 09:33:31 AM
Darussafaka qualified as 8th and is now playing against Doncic's Real Madrid.

(https://i.gyazo.com/4ac2d4015b1fd476b3ba84eeb5c64834.png)

That was close btw, Belgrade's Red Star had the same number of wins as Darussafaka.

(something like a) Playoff bracket can be found here (http://www.euroleague.net/competition/format)

First game is at Madrid, April 19, at 2100 Central European Time.
Title: Re: Euroleague 2016-17
Post by: greece66 on April 22, 2017, 03:04:23 AM
https://youtu.be/WgWRR_HMBSA
Title: Re: Euroleague 2016-17
Post by: greece66 on April 29, 2017, 07:58:22 AM
(https://i.gyazo.com/879b29c36c5cf556dcd655806185321d.png)
Title: Re: Euroleague 2016-17
Post by: greece66 on May 02, 2017, 10:49:19 PM
Olympiacos beat Efes today, so we now know the four teams of the Final 4.
Title: Re: Euroleague 2016-17
Post by: greece66 on May 02, 2017, 10:50:05 PM
(posted by mistake)
Title: Re: Euroleague 2016-17
Post by: detour on May 19, 2017, 07:06:15 AM
I'm copying a part of my post in Luka Doncic thread to here.

SEMIFINAL A
FENERBAHCE ISTANBUL-
REAL MADRID-
MAY 19 20:30 CET

SEMIFINAL B
CSKA MOSCOW-
OLYMPIACOS PIRAEUS-
MAY 19 17:30 CET

Top players to watch in Fener - Madrid game:

Fener:
Bogdanovic (leader of the team, Kings stash and all-Euroleague)
Udoh (heart of the team, ex-NBA, also all-Euroleague)
Dixon (5' 10" PG, never takes a step back, similar persona to IT)

Madrid:
Llull (leader, possible to move to NBA, also all-Euroleague)
Doncic (youngest ever Euroleague Rising Star)
Randolph (ex-NBA, you know the guy)
Title: Re: Euroleague 2016-17
Post by: ederson on May 19, 2017, 07:25:33 AM
No need to watch the final4..... Olimpiacos is going to win it!  Spanoulis lifted the trophy 3 times. Everytime his wife was pregnant... Guess what... Spanoulis will be father again and apparently euro league winner 😁😁😁
Title: Re: Euroleague 2016-17
Post by: Androslav on May 19, 2017, 07:43:42 AM
No need to watch the final4..... Olimpiacos is going to win it!  Spanoulis lifted the trophy 3 times. Everytime his wife was pregnant... Guess what... Spanoulis will be father again and apparently euro league winner 😁😁😁
TP for the cool fact.
Ill watch that game.
Title: Re: Euroleague 2016-17
Post by: ederson on May 19, 2017, 07:58:53 AM
On a more basketball related note both semis are very interesting. Real and Cska are the best teams this season, fener plays at home and more importantly Obradovic is the coach and olimpiacos has proved that they thrive as the underdogs
Title: Re: Euroleague 2016-17
Post by: Somebody on May 19, 2017, 08:13:29 AM
Sad that Zizic couldn't lead his team to a win. Btw is Doncic that special?
Title: Re: Euroleague 2016-17
Post by: ederson on May 19, 2017, 08:30:53 AM
Imho he is the best 18yo European since Kukoc.

He is one of the best players of the best team in Europe. And he just turned 18. Rubio, Gasols ,Milicic didn't reach that level at 18 and Doncic leads Real Madrid. By it self is amazing. Imagine Fultzeading leading the celtics to the final
Title: Re: Euroleague 2016-17
Post by: greece66 on May 19, 2017, 09:39:07 PM
Fener-Olympiacos is the final.

They play in Istanbul, plan A is Fener wins, plan B Olympiacos wins and they all get imprisoned as Gulenist conspirators.
Title: Re: Euroleague 2016-17
Post by: ederson on May 20, 2017, 04:10:56 AM
I ve learned to respect olimpiacos in F4s but fener looked scary. Their defence crushed bones against real and I don't know what olimpiacos a much less offensively gifted team than real can handle this.. I really hope they do though
Title: Re: Euroleague 2016-17
Post by: Androslav on May 20, 2017, 05:50:36 AM
Yesterday, euro games were much more enjoying than the NBA one. Great show by to fanatic greek squad, beating a stronger team in CSKA. Spanulis was once more the man in the clutch. And yes surprisingly, Fener was dominating Real from the start. Great game ahead of us on sunday. Looking at the teams yesterday I think that they would all be in the top 20/25 in the NBA. They could beat more teams than just the bottom feeders.
Title: Re: Euroleague 2016-17
Post by: ederson on May 20, 2017, 11:31:26 AM
I think fener are the heavy favourites. Deeper roster, home court advantage, Obradovic on the bench..... But olimpiacos has done it defore. The euroleague.tv commentator called the the greatest comeback team. And the have Spanoulis one of the clutchiest players ever. His 3p to take the lead made history...
Title: Re: Euroleague 2016-17
Post by: LatterDayCelticsfan on May 22, 2017, 06:35:22 AM
Happy for Gigi Datome. That is all.
Title: Re: Euroleague 2016-17
Post by: ederson on May 22, 2017, 06:59:12 AM
Datome has said he'd cut his man bun if they win the euroleague

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LuQeS81lMA
Title: Re: Euroleague 2016-17
Post by: PAOBoston on May 22, 2017, 07:40:03 AM
Obradovic will always be Olympiakos' daddy.

Suck one Spanoulis!
Title: Re: Euroleague 2016-17
Post by: Androslav on May 22, 2017, 08:02:37 AM
This Euroleague ended on a high Serbian note. Head coach Obradović (Euro Pop) and Feners 2 finals top scorers Kalinić and Bogdanović are Serbians. Sac stash Bogdanović will now surely leave for the NBA giving them a nice young core with 5th and 10th pick, Hield, WCS and Skal. Kalinić looks like he could guard NBA players while also having good BBIQ and even some shot at hiting the three, definitely a top 450 player in the world.
Title: Re: Euroleague 2016-17
Post by: ederson on May 22, 2017, 08:53:48 AM
Teodosic was also very good on the semi considering he was injured the last month.

But you are right about Obradovic. TBH i don't like him but his resume is impressive! He's been to 16-17 final4 , won 9 of them with 5 different teams and for 3 of those teams was their first euroleague win.
We need a word ro describe him cause "succesfull" is not enough.

I was impressed by Udoh. He did everything. He scored, he rebounded, he passed the ball, he blocked ... he even guarded Spanoulis on the 3p line succesfully. A 6.10 guy!

Title: Re: Euroleague 2016-17
Post by: Androslav on May 23, 2017, 01:13:10 AM
Teodosic was also very good on the semi considering he was injured the last month.

But you are right about Obradovic. TBH i don't like him but his resume is impressive! He's been to 16-17 final4 , won 9 of them with 5 different teams and for 3 of those teams was their first euroleague win.
We need a word ro describe him cause "succesfull" is not enough.

I was impressed by Udoh. He did everything. He scored, he rebounded, he passed the ball, he blocked ... he even guarded Spanoulis on the 3p line succesfully. A 6.10 guy!

Obradovićs resume is simly stunning. He is like a basketball player whisperer. :)
As for Ekpe, he was nothing short of amazing in the F4. Switching 1/5, hitting short jumpers, diming guys up, protecting the rim and cleaning the glass. It was like he played a mini Bill Russell role. Great option for a team looking for a legit defending small ball 5.
Title: Re: Euroleague 2016-17
Post by: greece66 on June 18, 2017, 10:03:37 AM
I'm a bit late for this, but Real Madrid's PG, Sergio Llull was nominated Euroleague's MVP

Here's a clip from the official website

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ATQZrPkOBo

Llull is 29 yo, he was picked by the Nuggets at #34 in 2009, but his rights were bought off by the Rockets. I could be wrong, but afair he never played in the NBA.
Title: Re: Euroleague 2016-17
Post by: HostAndGreetYourRoastBeef on July 17, 2017, 09:47:35 AM
Any tips for someone wanting to get into Euroleague? Don't know much about it, but looking for a new sport/league to watch, and Euroleague seems like a good one, since it has a decent following, and it actually has a pipeline to American sports (the NBA).

Any big rule differences? How do the styles differ? Also, I dunno how to pick a team to root for...
Title: Re: Euroleague 2016-17
Post by: greece66 on July 17, 2017, 11:35:13 AM
Any tips for someone wanting to get into Euroleague? Don't know much about it, but looking for a new sport/league to watch, and Euroleague seems like a good one, since it has a decent following, and it actually has a pipeline to American sports (the NBA).

Any big rule differences? How do the styles differ? Also, I dunno how to pick a team to root for...

Cool, I hope you watch some games and enjoy it.

So, starting from rules, this page has a full breakdown of the differences:

http://www.fiba.com/rule-differences

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Regarding playing styles: this often gives rise to controversy. To my experience, there are both American stereotypes of European bball (soft and slow) as well as European stereotypes of American bball: "they rely on athleticism rather than technique", "they don't play D" (I know, I know, but I've heard this countless times over here about the NBA), "too much iso", "they don't listen to the coach" etc. IMO it's better to ignore all that and just watch and find out for yourself.

Watching some Eurobasket games this September will also give you a good idea, as the playing style is similar and you have many Euroleague stars playing.

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About teams, it's complicated and it might take a while to get to know them.

Turkey has arguably the best teams right now: Fenerbahce won the Euroleague this year and they have lots of ex-NBA players among which Datome. Not a bad team to root for if you like winning. And they have the (by far) most successful coach (Obradovic).

Other strong Turkish teams are Darussafaka (coached by Blatt), Anadolu Efes and others (they have a lot of depth).

In Spain, Real and Madrid has always been strong. saltlover's favourite, Doncic, is playing there.

Barcelona is going through a bit of a crisis, but they should be back to the top soon enough. I personally like their coach (Bartzokas) and a young Greek-Bulgarian forward they have (Vezenkov). Dario can fill you up if you want to know more about the Spanish teams.

CSKA is the perennial champion in Russia and a very strong team. They might have difficulty replacing Teodosic though.

In Greece, you have Olympiakos and Panathinaikos. Panathinaikos has the advantage of having almost the exact same uniform as the Celtics - that's why many of us made naturally the transition from one team to the other.

Israel has traditionally a strong league and good teams, with Maccabi being the strongest, atlhough they are in a decline lately. Then you have Lithuania, France and Germany: teams there don't spend enough money to make it to the top, but are competitive.

PS I forgot mentioning Androslav, he knows a lot more about the Euroleague than I do. He and Dario are the people to ask.
Title: Re: Euroleague 2016-17
Post by: greece66 on July 21, 2017, 05:14:38 AM
Lots of players moving around, I might make a post collecting it all together later on.

A quick note based on a comment by Dario, Phil Pressey might come to Barcelona.

http://www.sportando.com/en/cups/euroleague/241856/barcelona-eyeing-phil-pressey.html

Their coach, Bartzokas, on the other hand, is moving back to Russia, to Khimki. His season in Barcelona might have been the worst in his career so far.

http://www.euroleague.net/news/i/7wp8mkdrhemq5e6q/khimki-hires-former-gomelskiy-coach-of-the-year-bartzokas