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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: fairweatherfan on March 12, 2018, 03:27:28 PM
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https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/973278911831400449 (https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/973278911831400449)
When it rains, it pours. Yeesh.
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terrible :(
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I'm starting to feel like we're on a dinosaur tour and there are no dinosaurs in sight.
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If Smart is done and/or significantly limited the rest of the way, that might just do it for this team's hopes of getting out of the first round.
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Time to unleash Scary Terry. I really think there's monumental potential in him. You can't teach his fearlessness.
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If Smart is done and/or significantly limited the rest of the way, that might just do it for this team's hopes of getting out of the first round.
This is insane. I'm not very confident at this time for a deep playoff run. I know Brown will be back and Kyrie will be a full go come playoff time but the depth is being tested. Losing Theis hurts the big man depth but losing Kyrie hurts the defense big time. If the team goes on a run similart to the 11 games Smart missed prior the the all star break it will show how essential he is to the team.
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Geez 😞😞😞😞😞
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That sucks!! I was hoping he had just jammed a finger or something when he dove on the floor trying to get that steal. Might as well stick a fork in the Celtic season now.
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Ugh. Well, we weren't winning a championship this season with Hayward out and all. But I definitely wanted to make the Finals or at the very minimum a highly competitive ECF. Looking more and more in doubt with all of these darn injuries.
Just gotta hope for the best next season. I'd prefer to dump some of our younger players next year and add some solid vets with the vet's minimum as we gear up for a real championship run.
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:'( :'(
This isn't close to KG's fateful visit to Utah in 08-09 season but between GH, THIS, and Kyrie's lingering knee it's troubling.
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Hard to stay optimistic with the string of injuries. Hopefully he can play through it in the playoffs. Personally I would take Marcus without a right hand lol.
The only semi-positive outlook is that these injuries will literally remove the pressure from the team once the playoffs begin. Maybe this will help the young guys let loose. Wishful thinking on my part.
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There goes our toughness for the most part. JK well not really.
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Hard to stay optimistic with the string of injuries. Hopefully he can play through it in the playoffs. Personally I would take Marcus without a right hand lol.
The only semi-positive outlook is that these injuries will literally remove the pressure from the team once the playoffs begin.
If the C's had ANY quality depth it wouldn't be a death sentence, the problem is they just don't. When this team is forced into playing the 10th, 11th, 12th.... guys it's over.
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I will bring back Gerschon and Bird ASAP. I don't know if I can take much more Nader.
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Time to unleash Scary Terry. I really think there's monumental potential in him. You can't teach his fearlessness.
A shortened rotation, for sure.
Kyrie, Brown, Tatum, Horford, Baynes
Rozier, Morris, Monroe
That's basically it. Maybe spot minutes from Larkin and Semi, but those guys can't be a significant part of the rotation come playoffs.
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Ugh....C'mon! >:(
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Definitely sucks, and we’ll sorely miss him.
Not sure he’ll be out the rest of the season, though. Unlike Theis, who almost assuredly is done for the season, it sounds like Smart could just miss extended time, but not necessarily the rest of the season and playoffs.
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Definitely sucks, and we’ll sorely miss him.
Not sure he’ll be out the rest of the season, though. Unlike Theis, who almost assuredly is done for the season, it sounds like Smart could just miss extended time, but not necessarily the rest of the season and playoffs.
My concern would be less that he'll miss the rest of the season and more than when he is back, he won't be able to use his right hand to steal / pass / dribble as well, and his already bad shooting will completely nosedive (read: opponents won't defend him at all).
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Can we add any more players or is our roster full?
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https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/973278911831400449 (https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/973278911831400449)
When it rains, it pours. Yeesh.
Today is the day that just keeps on giving. Heh.
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Call up jabari Bird and see what he's got
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This team will be lucky to get out of round 1. And I am waiting for the other shoe to drop on Kyrie's knee
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Call up jabari Bird and see what he's got
I thought we saw that already and it wasn't much...
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https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/973278911831400449 (https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/973278911831400449)
When it rains, it pours. Yeesh.
Today is the day that just keeps on giving. Heh.
Aaaaand.....we're about to get pummeled with 2 feet of snow. Just AWESOME.
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I love the Celtics....but they are in trouble. No depth. Several guys hurt. Several other on the fence
Hayward, Smart and Theis are all done for the season...Kyrie is on his last leg literally...
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Injuries have a cumulative effect on the players left standing. Players feel that they have to make up for the performance of the lost starters and they press, both mentally and physically.
Hopefully the brass has Yabs and Nader and Kadeem Allen and Bird (if and when healthy) come up to the parent club and help chew up some minutes, so the guys left standing don't get hurt and/or wear down and so they don't get cooked later.
Theis (season)and Smart (who knows how long) gone.
Better be careful with Horford, jaylen and Kyrie.
I'd start Baynes, Morris, Tatum, Rozier and Larkin.
2nd unit: Moose, Yabs, Nader, Semi, Allen
Gotta go with what ya got. But, Don't burn Kyrie, Horford, Jaylen....sit them for as long need be.
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Washington game is going to be a bloodbath. Boston will get trucked because they have no scoring at all left
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And I am waiting for the other shoe to drop on Kyrie's knee
Chill...
Adrian Wojnarowski
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@wojespn
There's confidence that Boston Celtics guard Kyrie Irving's left knee soreness is no more than tendonitis and that he will not need to miss significant time, league sources tell ESPN. Irving is considered day-to-day.
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And I am waiting for the other shoe to drop on Kyrie's knee
Chill...
Adrian Wojnarowski
Verified account
@wojespn
There's confidence that Boston Celtics guard Kyrie Irving's left knee soreness is no more than tendonitis and that he will not need to miss significant time, league sources tell ESPN. Irving is considered day-to-day.
I sure hope so man....but I have a bad feeling about it
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https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/973278911831400449 (https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/973278911831400449)
When it rains, it pours. Yeesh.
Today is the day that just keeps on giving. Heh.
Aaaaand.....we're about to get pummeled with 2 feet of snow. Just AWESOME.
Me, my three year old, and my mother in law snowed in for the whole day tomorrow. And I still need to telecommute in. What could go wrong :D.
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And I am waiting for the other shoe to drop on Kyrie's knee
Chill...
Adrian Wojnarowski
Verified account
@wojespn
There's confidence that Boston Celtics guard Kyrie Irving's left knee soreness is no more than tendonitis and that he will not need to miss significant time, league sources tell ESPN. Irving is considered day-to-day.
I sure hope so man....but I have a bad feeling about it
I did too, but this report alleviated some concern.
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ah man, more bad news with both Theis and Smart. Any medical people out there willing to take a stab at if he has any chance to return this season? A quick google search didn't make me feel good about his chances.
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May as well have Kyrie undergo his knee surgery and call this season a lost cause, get ready for next year.
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My guess is that Marcus either plays hurt or has surgery if it is guaranteed he is back for 2nd round of playoffs.
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My guess is that Marcus either plays hurt or has surgery if it is guaranteed he is back for 2nd round of playoffs.
All depends if he can grip the ball and control it. If he can't do that not sure how he could play unless he would strictly be there as a defender and never handles the ball on O.
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My guess is that Marcus either plays hurt or has surgery if it is guaranteed he is back for 2nd round of playoffs.
All depends if he can grip the ball and control it. If he can't do that not sure how he could play unless he would strictly be there as a defender and never handles the ball on O.
He did play over 16 minutes after hurting his hand. In those 16 minutes he had 11 points. 3 rebounds, 3 assists and 3 steals. Smart is a warrior and probably downplayed the injury so he could continue yesterday.
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Let's start the tanking agenda.
On a side note, wasn't our previous training staff, which included Bryan Doo and Ed Lacerte, fired due to the number of injuries our players sustained over the last few years? Certainly, this season has been the most injury-riddled one in living memory.
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Let's start the tanking agenda.
On a side note, wasn't our previous training staff, which included Bryan Doo and Ed Lacerte, fired due to the number of injuries our players sustained over the last few years? Certainly, this season has been the most injury-riddled one in living memory.
Freak injuries during the course of a game.
Hayward - bad pass by Kyrie and he lands wrong
Brown - slips off the rim after a big dunk
Theis - bumps his knee into another player
Smart - dives for a loose ball
Just snake bit this year. It happens. :(
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Masslive and ESPN are reporting that it's a sprain and they don't yet know the severity, no mention of a tear.
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Let's start the tanking agenda.
On a side note, wasn't our previous training staff, which included Bryan Doo and Ed Lacerte, fired due to the number of injuries our players sustained over the last few years? Certainly, this season has been the most injury-riddled one in living memory.
They never offered an explanation. The accepted logic seemed to be that Doo and Lacerte were more old fashioned and Boston wanted to move more inot cutting edge techniques.
Cynical people thought it was due to the fact that the team has handled injuries badly in the past (KG and IT spring to mind).
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Hope we haven't seen the last of Marcus Smart in a Celtics uniform. Aside from Kyrie, Smart is the player I feel the C's can least afford to lose for the playoffs.
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May as well have Kyrie undergo his knee surgery and call this season a lost cause, get ready for next year.
is this a joke?
The season was always a lost cause if you are a championship or bust guy. Otherwise, keep playing. Brown and Horford and possibly Marcus will be back for the playoffs and the team will almost certainly be the 2 seed.
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May as well have Kyrie undergo his knee surgery and call this season a lost cause, get ready for next year.
is this a joke?
The season was always a lost cause if you are a championship or bust guy. Otherwise, keep playing. Brown and Horford and possibly Marcus will be back for the playoffs and the team will almost certainly be the 2 seed.
We seem to have quite a few championship or bust guys here somehow... ???. This is the best time to find out if these backups have what it takes to play extended minutes or not.
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I sprained my thumb playing hoops in my early 20’s and could not play for several weeks. It’s impossible to grip the ball and you run the risk of it to popping out again if you try to come back early. Smart is tougher than me but he’s human. I’d be surprised if he comes back before playoffs start. Hopefully he makes it back by then.
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I love the Celtics....but they are in trouble. No depth. Several guys hurt. Several other on the fence
Hayward, Smart and Theis are all done for the season...Kyrie is on his last leg literally...
No depth? Hahahahaha! We are a solid 10 deep, our depth is all injured. Them's the breaks. But lets not pretend this team isn't deep. We just got bad bad luck here.....
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I sprained my thumb playing hoops in my early 20’s and could not play for several weeks. It’s impossible to grip the ball and you run the risk of it to popping out again if you try to come back early. Smart is tougher than me but he’s human. I’d be surprised if he comes back before playoffs start. Hopefully he makes it back by then..
I would bet most nba players have larger hands than you, too
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Well it certainly seems like there is a bit of conflicting information out there. Yahoo is reporting a 'tear' but others like espn are calling it a 'tendon injury'. It is also being reported that the C's are looking at 2nd opinions on it.
I guess when I hear 'tear' it feels that it might require surgery, but when I hear 'sprain' that makes me think no surgery. If it is a more minor injury that could allow smart back in the lineup by the time the playoffs start it would be huge for us. Crossing fingers that maybe the initial reporting was worse than what really happened.
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Play the bench . Start Yabu and Nader
Save an Al , Gordo and Irv for next season.
Crank the Tank... ! LOL
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Play the bench . Start Yabu and Nader
Save an Al , Gordo and Irv for next season.
Crank the Tank... ! LOL
You realize that we already clinched the postseason right? That means even if we deliberately lost ever single game from here on out, we still wouldn't get a lottery pick. There's no point in tanking because we literally can't do it now. -crank the tank- is not gonna be a thing cos it can't be.
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Ainge disputes that Smart has a torn tendon. Smart will get a second opinion!
https://www.thescore.com/nba/news/1503793 (https://www.thescore.com/nba/news/1503793)
Lol. Play till it's time for us to dump you elsewhere, Marcus.
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Play the bench . Start Yabu and Nader
Save an Al , Gordo and Irv for next season.
Crank the Tank... ! LOL
You realize that we already clinched the postseason right? That means even if we deliberately lost ever single game from here on out, we still wouldn't get a lottery pick. There's no point in tanking because we literally can't do it now. -crank the tank- is not gonna be a thing cos it can't be.
thats why he said "LOL" after...
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Well, at least it is his shooting hand.
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Well I just want to die
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Assuming Jaylen and Horford are fine, we'll be fine. Rozier has shown he can handle 30 mpg these days, Larkin is a passable backup, and we have Monroe ready to take Theis minutes.
Not ideal, but fine, and pretty well entrenched in the #2 seed.
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Ainge disputes that Smart has a torn tendon. Smart will get a second opinion!
https://www.thescore.com/nba/news/1503793 (https://www.thescore.com/nba/news/1503793)
Lol. Play till it's time for us to dump you elsewhere, Marcus.
Who tf says that??
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Ainge disputes that Smart has a torn tendon. Smart will get a second opinion!
https://www.thescore.com/nba/news/1503793 (https://www.thescore.com/nba/news/1503793)
Lol. Play till it's time for us to dump you elsewhere, Marcus.
Who tf says that??
Danny Ainge. Even if he stands to lose tens of millions of dollars.
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Ainge disputes that Smart has a torn tendon. Smart will get a second opinion!
https://www.thescore.com/nba/news/1503793 (https://www.thescore.com/nba/news/1503793)
Lol. Play till it's time for us to dump you elsewhere, Marcus.
Who tf says that??
Danny Ainge. Even if he stands to lose tens of millions of dollars.
TP, tar. You're a legend.
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Ainge disputes that Smart has a torn tendon. Smart will get a second opinion!
https://www.thescore.com/nba/news/1503793 (https://www.thescore.com/nba/news/1503793)
Lol. Play till it's time for us to dump you elsewhere, Marcus.
Who tf says that??
Danny Ainge. Even if he stands to lose tens of millions of dollars.
TP, tar. You're a legend.
Honestly, I'm just being myself.
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Ainge disputes that Smart has a torn tendon. Smart will get a second opinion!
https://www.thescore.com/nba/news/1503793 (https://www.thescore.com/nba/news/1503793)
Lol. Play till it's time for us to dump you elsewhere, Marcus.
Who tf says that??
Danny Ainge. Even if he stands to lose tens of millions of dollars.
TP, tar. You're a legend.
Honestly, I'm just being myself.
That's what makes it so special, pal.
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Ainge disputes that Smart has a torn tendon. Smart will get a second opinion!
https://www.thescore.com/nba/news/1503793 (https://www.thescore.com/nba/news/1503793)
Lol. Play till it's time for us to dump you elsewhere, Marcus.
Who tf says that??
Danny Ainge. Even if he stands to lose tens of millions of dollars.
TP, tar. You're a legend.
Honestly, I'm just being myself.
That's what makes it so special, pal.
Do we need to call in a mental health professional?
Or is it normal for you to talk to yourself like this?
just checking...
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So good karma next year right? Right?
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Ainge disputes that Smart has a torn tendon. Smart will get a second opinion!
https://www.thescore.com/nba/news/1503793 (https://www.thescore.com/nba/news/1503793)
Lol. Play till it's time for us to dump you elsewhere, Marcus.
Who tf says that??
Danny Ainge. Even if he stands to lose tens of millions of dollars.
TP, tar. You're a legend.
Honestly, I'm just being myself.
That's what makes it so special, pal.
Do we need to call in a mental health professional?
Or is it normal for you to talk to yourself like this?
just checking...
Same...this seems to be an extreme chuunibyou case...even more surprising is that it's not from Asia too...
https://youtu.be/8EUuYxXJ6MY (is this made by Tar?!!)
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Ainge disputes that Smart has a torn tendon. Smart will get a second opinion!
https://www.thescore.com/nba/news/1503793 (https://www.thescore.com/nba/news/1503793)
Lol. Play till it's time for us to dump you elsewhere, Marcus.
Who tf says that??
Danny Ainge. Even if he stands to lose tens of millions of dollars.
TP, tar. You're a legend.
Honestly, I'm just being myself.
That's what makes it so special, pal.
That moment when you find a person that agrees with itself on CB.
Priceless.
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we really need smart to compete. Our defense was trash when he was out with the hand injury. But hopefully we get some good news and he can play with some sort of brace or something.
thankfully according to ainge it is not a torn tendon.
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Ainge disputes that Smart has a torn tendon. Smart will get a second opinion!
https://www.thescore.com/nba/news/1503793 (https://www.thescore.com/nba/news/1503793)
Lol. Play till it's time for us to dump you elsewhere, Marcus.
Who tf says that??
Danny Ainge. Even if he stands to lose tens of millions of dollars.
TP, tar. You're a legend.
Honestly, I'm just being myself.
That's what makes it so special, pal.
Do we need to call in a mental health professional?
Or is it normal for you to talk to yourself like this?
just checking...
roses are red. violets are blue.
i'm schizophrenic, and so am i.
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So good karma next year right? Right?
I don't know. We seemed to have crap karma for about 22 years.
(Actually, I think they'll be fine)
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So good karma next year right? Right?
I don't know. We seemed to have crap karma for about 22 years.
(Actually, I think they'll be fine)
How about 32 years?
June 1986....the day the music died....Bird, McHale and Parish's careers extended to 1995 if the world doesn't lose LBias and at least 3 more championships and the question of MJ who.
And then Reggie L....ooofff!
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So worst case, how long will Smart be out for?
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Well, at least it is his shooting hand.
TP, hysterical. How you did not get public kudos for that is beyond me.
Mike
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So good karma next year right? Right?
I don't know. We seemed to have crap karma for about 22 years.
(Actually, I think they'll be fine)
How about 32 years?
June 1986....the day the music died....Bird, McHale and Parish's careers extended to 1995 if the world doesn't lose LBias and at least 3 more championships and the question of MJ who.
And the Reggie L....ooofff!
Its awfully presumptuous to assume Bias would be THAT good.
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Well, at least it is his shooting hand.
TP, hysterical. How you did not get public kudos for that is beyond me.
Mike
yeah, TP from me too. This made me laugh.
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So good karma next year right? Right?
I don't know. We seemed to have crap karma for about 22 years.
(Actually, I think they'll be fine)
How about 32 years?
June 1986....the day the music died....Bird, McHale and Parish's careers extended to 1995 if the world doesn't lose LBias and at least 3 more championships and the question of MJ who.
And then Reggie L....ooofff!
Isn't '86 to '08 twenty two years? I'd consider a title good fortune. '09 was frustrating, though. They were absolutely rolling before KG went down.
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So worst case, how long will Smart be out for?
Murp just tweeted: League source says Celtics don't know probability of Marcus Smart playing again this season. "(They're) waiting for that second opinion. Don't know if it's a 50 percent chance or a 30 percent chance. Just don't know."
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So worst case, how long will Smart be out for?
Murp just tweeted: League source says Celtics don't know probability of Marcus Smart playing again this season. "(They're) waiting for that second opinion. Don't know if it's a 50 percent chance or a 30 percent chance. Just don't know."
That does not sound good at all.
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Is this related to the picture he punched after the LA game or is it just the same hand, different injury?
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Is this related to the picture he punched after the LA game or is it just the same hand, different injury?
Different injury. He was grabbed in the Pacers game and pulled his thumb
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Is this related to the picture he punched after the LA game or is it just the same hand, different injury?
Totally different injury. He dove for a loose ball the other night and fell badly on it. Its too bad because he really looked great in that game, especially his shooting.
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Probably no updates on the second opinion today?
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Is this related to the picture he punched after the LA game or is it just the same hand, different injury?
Totally different injury. He dove for a loose ball the other night and fell badly on it. Its too bad because he really looked great in that game, especially his shooting.
Hit a couple 3s after the injury.
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So good karma next year right? Right?
I don't know. We seemed to have crap karma for about 22 years.
(Actually, I think they'll be fine)
How about 32 years?
June 1986....the day the music died....Bird, McHale and Parish's careers extended to 1995 if the world doesn't lose LBias and at least 3 more championships and the question of MJ who.
And the Reggie L....ooofff!
Its awfully presumptuous to assume Bias would be THAT good.
I will concede that it may be a BIT presumptuous to assume this about Bias, but not awfully presumptuous.
If Len Bias made it to the NBA, only injuries could've stopped him.
He would've been a super sixth man as a rookie and a chance to be a perennial Allstar and multiple ring-winner subsequently.
This was a young man who had great character. He worked for Red for 3 summers as a counselor in Red's summer camp. I'm a pretty questioning, at times cynical guy, but if you told me that the blow that Bias did that stopped his heart was the first of his life, I'd believe you.
Not only was he a high character guy, he was a fearless, raging competitor. He made players around him better, but also took over games at will, with his fierce will. Heart of a champion, but not strong enough to overcome the arrhythmia caused by the blow.
His 35 point performance against UNC in the DeanDome in '86, giving UNC their first defeat there was performance for the ages, against a team that was superior to his, except for him. This sequence from that game got a lot of airtime, and rightfully so.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VD2nx9EIgk
He was a fierce rebounder and shot-blocker who could sky. Very strong, fluid athlete who ran the floor and back-doors with the best of them. He was able to do that because his range was substantial and his shot was silky smooth.
He worked on his game incessantly as all the greats do. His FT% improved from 66% his freshman year to 80% his senior.
And playing alongside the Big 3 would have only made him greater.
Michael Jordan, who?
I know that's hyperbolic and presumptuous, but nowhere near as much as one might think at first blush.
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People don't realize how good Bias was. He up there with Jordan.
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So good karma next year right? Right?
I don't know. We seemed to have crap karma for about 22 years.
(Actually, I think they'll be fine)
How about 32 years?
June 1986....the day the music died....Bird, McHale and Parish's careers extended to 1995 if the world doesn't lose LBias and at least 3 more championships and the question of MJ who.
And then Reggie L....ooofff!
Isn't '86 to '08 twenty two years? I'd consider a title good fortune. '09 was frustrating, though. They were absolutely rolling before KG went down.
TP...of course your numbers are correct.
'07-08 was a tease to me, though appreciated, and what followed was torment.
A 3peat for us with a little normal luck would have been a distinct possibility,....oh well!!!
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People don't realize how good Bias was. He up there with Jordan.
Is this a joke?
I hope this is a joke.
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People don't realize how good Bias was. He up there with Jordan.
Is this a joke?
I hope this is a joke.
(https://i.imgur.com/CaS2WO5.jpg)
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Just saw on Twitter that Marcus Smart is getting a second opinion as to whether he needs surgery on his thumb.
Sounds more than likely that he'll need surgery, as that was the first opinion he got.
Surgery would sideline him for several months, ending his season.
Greaaaat.
No Theis, no Smart, Kyrie may not be 100% again until he gets his knee scoped.
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People don't realize how good Bias was. He up there with Jordan.
Is this a joke?
I hope this is a joke.
No, a lot of people think that Bias and Jordan would've been the two primer players during the late 80's and early 90's.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=R8qmwgciyB8
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On the video replay, that thumb sprain didn't look nearly so bad. You have to wonder if the previous hand injury from the broken glass left his hand more vulnerable to this. We will never know I guess.
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People don't realize how good Bias was. He up there with Jordan.
Is this a joke?
I hope this is a joke.
Let’s start with the perception of Bias in college… According to the ESPN College Basketball Encyclopedia, Bias was Bob Gibbons’ 8th-ranked national prospect out of high school, eventually becoming a consensus All-America — and highlight machine — in 1986, his senior year. “He’s maybe the closest thing to Michael Jordan to come out in a long time,” Celtics scout Ed Badger said after watching Bias in six games. “I’m not saying he’s as good as Michael Jordan, but he’s an explosive and exciting kind of player like that.” (Ed.’s note: I guess two years is a “long time”?) Here’s another statement about the pre-draft scouting of Bias:
“…In scouting reports, it is customary to make player comparisons. Our basic report characterized Bias as a ‘Michael Jordan type who was bigger, with a better jump shot, but who didn’t go to the basket as well.’ “
This is what Sports Illustrated was saying about Bias before the 1986 season:
“Lefty [Driesell] has always had excellent forwards, and he thinks senior Len Bias, the ’84-85 ACC Player of the Year, is his best ever.”
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“The only question about the power-forward position is what Bias, the 6’8″, 195-pound gamebreaker who grew up in Landover, just down the street from Cole Field House, will do for an encore. Last season he led the conference in scoring (19.0 points per game), and was an iron man, averaging 36.5 minutes. For a time, though, there was doubt that there would even be an encore. Rumors had Bias jumping to the pros, but he claims he never seriously considered leaving Maryland.”
“‘I didn’t think I was that good,’ Bias says. ‘I wasn’t ready. My game wasn’t ready. I wanted to stay in school, get it perfected and get my degree.’ Says Driesell, ‘Last year Leonard probably would have been one of the top 10 picks in the draft. This year he could be number one. He didn’t care whether he was one or one hundred. He wanted to stay in school.'”
I think his play was more similar to Jordan, but most pundits and scouts pegged him as a player to have a Worthy-like career, which is still pretty darn good.
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As much as I love off-topic Len Bias conversation...
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As much as I love off-topic Len Bias conversation...
I was simply responding to what someone said, lol. Next time I won't post that, but I don't know..... Maybe you could just scroll past any of the 'Off-topic,' Len Bias conversations?
To stay on topic:
Mark Murphy
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@Murf56
League source says Celtics don't know probability of Marcus Smart playing again this season. "(They're) waiting for that second opinion. Don't know if it's a 50 percent chance or a 30 percent chance. Just don't know."
2:39 PM - Mar 13, 2018
So nothing is set in stone as of yet; losing Marcus will undoubtedly hurt our playoff chances of going past first round.
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Have to feel given the way the team looked when Smart was back, Smart's agent has to be saying don't play if not 100%. I expect Smart to be out
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Have to feel given the way the team looked when Smart was back, Smart's agent has to be saying don't play if not 100%. I expect Smart to be out
Have to say I agree 100%, same goes for Gordon Hayward. There should be no pressure to come back, re-group for next year, try to get some developmental playoff experience for our youngsters, and see what happens in the post-season.
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People don't realize how good Bias was. He up there with Jordan.
Is this a joke?
I hope this is a joke.
No, a lot of people think that Bias and Jordan would've been the two primer players during the late 80's and early 90's.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=R8qmwgciyB8
And those people fell prey to classic draft overhype.
Remember the Wiggins hype? The Okafor hype? The Fultz hype?
That's just in the last 4 years!
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Shoot it up and get back on the court!
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People don't realize how good Bias was. He up there with Jordan.
Is this a joke?
I hope this is a joke.
No, a lot of people think that Bias and Jordan would've been the two primer players during the late 80's and early 90's.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=R8qmwgciyB8
And those people fell prey to classic draft overhype.
Remember the Wiggins hype? The Okafor hype? The Fultz hype?
That's just in the last 4 years!
Apples and oranges comparison. Bias played 4 years in college and dominated throughout. Plus, he did so in a time where the talent level was really high because there was no one and done. Bias was bigger, just as athletic, better rebounder, and a better shooter than Jordan.
Photo displaying his unreal hops-
https://umdarchives.wordpress.com/2013/01/22/len-bias-vs-duke-1985/
“This is my 24th year at Duke,” Duke Coach Mike Krzyzewski told the Boston Globe’s Bob Ryan in 2003, “and in that time there have been two opposing players who have really stood out: Michael Jordan and Len Bias. Len was an amazing athlete with great competitiveness. My feeling is that he would have been one of the top players in the NBA. He created things. People associate the term “playmaking” with point guards. But I consider a playmaker as someone who can do things others can’t, the way Jordan did. Bias was like that. He could invent ways to score, and there was nothing you could do about it. No matter how you defended him, he could make a play.”
Tony Kornheiser, now with ESPN but then a columnist at The Washington Post, wrote on June 20, 1986, about mourners who were drawn to Cole Field House, where so many of Bias’s great memories were made.
“He’d jump and his knees would be in my teeth, and I’m 6-2,” said Reginald Adams, a junior at Drexel University in Philadelphia who had played against Bias in high school and came here because he idolized Bias. “The way he played motivated me so. I’d look at him play and say I wish I could do that. He’d intimidate you with words, talk about your mother. But when you tried it on him, go to him on the line and say, ‘You’re gonna miss,’ he’d smile and say, ‘No. Too good.'”
(https://cdn.washingtoncitypaper.com/files/base/scomm/wcp/image/2012/10/640w/_dev_pubsys_images_20121010_bias_jordan_257x387.jpg)
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People don't realize how good Bias was. He up there with Jordan.
Is this a joke?
I hope this is a joke.
No, a lot of people think that Bias and Jordan would've been the two primer players during the late 80's and early 90's.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=R8qmwgciyB8
And those people fell prey to classic draft overhype.
Remember the Wiggins hype? The Okafor hype? The Fultz hype?
That's just in the last 4 years!
Apples and oranges comparison. Bias played 4 years in college and dominated throughout. Plus, he did so in a time where the talent level was really high because there was no one and done. Bias was bigger, just as athletic, better rebounder, and a better shooter than Jordan.
Photo displaying his unreal hops-
https://umdarchives.wordpress.com/2013/01/22/len-bias-vs-duke-1985/
“This is my 24th year at Duke,” Duke Coach Mike Krzyzewski told the Boston Globe’s Bob Ryan in 2003, “and in that time there have been two opposing players who have really stood out: Michael Jordan and Len Bias. Len was an amazing athlete with great competitiveness. My feeling is that he would have been one of the top players in the NBA. He created things. People associate the term “playmaking” with point guards. But I consider a playmaker as someone who can do things others can’t, the way Jordan did. Bias was like that. He could invent ways to score, and there was nothing you could do about it. No matter how you defended him, he could make a play.”
Tony Kornheiser, now with ESPN but then a columnist at The Washington Post, wrote on June 20, 1986, about mourners who were drawn to Cole Field House, where so many of Bias’s great memories were made.
“He’d jump and his knees would be in my teeth, and I’m 6-2,” said Reginald Adams, a junior at Drexel University in Philadelphia who had played against Bias in high school and came here because he idolized Bias. “The way he played motivated me so. I’d look at him play and say I wish I could do that. He’d intimidate you with words, talk about your mother. But when you tried it on him, go to him on the line and say, ‘You’re gonna miss,’ he’d smile and say, ‘No. Too good.'”
(https://cdn.washingtoncitypaper.com/files/base/scomm/wcp/image/2012/10/640w/_dev_pubsys_images_20121010_bias_jordan_257x387.jpg)
Gotta admit, the lift on that jump shot is impressive
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Have to feel given the way the team looked when Smart was back, Smart's agent has to be saying don't play if not 100%. I expect Smart to be out
If Smart's value has skyrocketed by coming back and playing well for a few games after his 'punching' injury, then I would rather he would have just torn a tendon during that incident. The whole point of having Smart on your team is for him to play great in big moments. Being out for the entire playoffs would obviously nullify that.
Hopefully GMs remember his lapse in judgment in punching a picture frame rather than the 8 games in which he played after he returned (about 4 of which he didn't play that well). Keeping him on a value contract is fairly important for the Cs moving forward.
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People don't realize how good Bias was. He up there with Jordan.
Is this a joke?
I hope this is a joke.
No, a lot of people think that Bias and Jordan would've been the two primer players during the late 80's and early 90's.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=R8qmwgciyB8
And those people fell prey to classic draft overhype.
Remember the Wiggins hype? The Okafor hype? The Fultz hype?
That's just in the last 4 years!
Apples and oranges comparison. Bias played 4 years in college and dominated throughout. Plus, he did so in a time where the talent level was really high because there was no one and done. Bias was bigger, just as athletic, better rebounder, and a better shooter than Jordan.
Photo displaying his unreal hops-
https://umdarchives.wordpress.com/2013/01/22/len-bias-vs-duke-1985/
“This is my 24th year at Duke,” Duke Coach Mike Krzyzewski told the Boston Globe’s Bob Ryan in 2003, “and in that time there have been two opposing players who have really stood out: Michael Jordan and Len Bias. Len was an amazing athlete with great competitiveness. My feeling is that he would have been one of the top players in the NBA. He created things. People associate the term “playmaking” with point guards. But I consider a playmaker as someone who can do things others can’t, the way Jordan did. Bias was like that. He could invent ways to score, and there was nothing you could do about it. No matter how you defended him, he could make a play.”
Tony Kornheiser, now with ESPN but then a columnist at The Washington Post, wrote on June 20, 1986, about mourners who were drawn to Cole Field House, where so many of Bias’s great memories were made.
“He’d jump and his knees would be in my teeth, and I’m 6-2,” said Reginald Adams, a junior at Drexel University in Philadelphia who had played against Bias in high school and came here because he idolized Bias. “The way he played motivated me so. I’d look at him play and say I wish I could do that. He’d intimidate you with words, talk about your mother. But when you tried it on him, go to him on the line and say, ‘You’re gonna miss,’ he’d smile and say, ‘No. Too good.'”
(https://cdn.washingtoncitypaper.com/files/base/scomm/wcp/image/2012/10/640w/_dev_pubsys_images_20121010_bias_jordan_257x387.jpg)
Gotta admit, the lift on that jump shot is impressive
I don't doubt he would have been really good. I think it's hugely presumptuous and Green goggles to just assume he would have been some Jordan-tier player.
Why did Daugherty go ahead of him? I mean Daugherty was awesome but no one considered him so foul to Jordan
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People don't realize how good Bias was. He up there with Jordan.
Is this a joke?
I hope this is a joke.
No, a lot of people think that Bias and Jordan would've been the two primer players during the late 80's and early 90's.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=R8qmwgciyB8
And those people fell prey to classic draft overhype.
Remember the Wiggins hype? The Okafor hype? The Fultz hype?
That's just in the last 4 years!
Apples and oranges comparison. Bias played 4 years in college and dominated throughout. Plus, he did so in a time where the talent level was really high because there was no one and done. Bias was bigger, just as athletic, better rebounder, and a better shooter than Jordan.
Photo displaying his unreal hops-
https://umdarchives.wordpress.com/2013/01/22/len-bias-vs-duke-1985/
“This is my 24th year at Duke,” Duke Coach Mike Krzyzewski told the Boston Globe’s Bob Ryan in 2003, “and in that time there have been two opposing players who have really stood out: Michael Jordan and Len Bias. Len was an amazing athlete with great competitiveness. My feeling is that he would have been one of the top players in the NBA. He created things. People associate the term “playmaking” with point guards. But I consider a playmaker as someone who can do things others can’t, the way Jordan did. Bias was like that. He could invent ways to score, and there was nothing you could do about it. No matter how you defended him, he could make a play.”
Tony Kornheiser, now with ESPN but then a columnist at The Washington Post, wrote on June 20, 1986, about mourners who were drawn to Cole Field House, where so many of Bias’s great memories were made.
“He’d jump and his knees would be in my teeth, and I’m 6-2,” said Reginald Adams, a junior at Drexel University in Philadelphia who had played against Bias in high school and came here because he idolized Bias. “The way he played motivated me so. I’d look at him play and say I wish I could do that. He’d intimidate you with words, talk about your mother. But when you tried it on him, go to him on the line and say, ‘You’re gonna miss,’ he’d smile and say, ‘No. Too good.'”
(https://cdn.washingtoncitypaper.com/files/base/scomm/wcp/image/2012/10/640w/_dev_pubsys_images_20121010_bias_jordan_257x387.jpg)
Gotta admit, the lift on that jump shot is impressive
I don't doubt he would have been really good. I think it's hugely presumptuous and Green goggles to just assume he would have been some Jordan-tier player.
Why did Daugherty go ahead of him? I mean Daugherty was awesome but no one considered him so foul to Jordan
We will never know, but its not presumptuous. That comparison was written by independent NBA analysts long ago, derived from quotes obtained before he was drafted by the Celtics, from several people who had followed Bias closely. It's not something made up by Celticsbloggers.
As for Daugherty, he was awesome, injuries robbed him of some of his potential greatness, and keep in mind that was early in the era of big men, nobody in there right mind would have passed up a top big man prospect for a wing or a guard, hence Bias and MJ taken later. Bias was taken in 2nd in 1986 after Daugherty. Jordan was taken 3rd in 1984 after Olajuwon and Bowie. We don't question MJ's greatness because two teams passed on him for top big men prospects.
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People don't realize how good Bias was. He up there with Jordan.
Is this a joke?
I hope this is a joke.
No, a lot of people think that Bias and Jordan would've been the two primer players during the late 80's and early 90's.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=R8qmwgciyB8
And those people fell prey to classic draft overhype.
Remember the Wiggins hype? The Okafor hype? The Fultz hype?
That's just in the last 4 years!
Apples and oranges comparison. Bias played 4 years in college and dominated throughout. Plus, he did so in a time where the talent level was really high because there was no one and done. Bias was bigger, just as athletic, better rebounder, and a better shooter than Jordan.
Photo displaying his unreal hops-
https://umdarchives.wordpress.com/2013/01/22/len-bias-vs-duke-1985/
“This is my 24th year at Duke,” Duke Coach Mike Krzyzewski told the Boston Globe’s Bob Ryan in 2003, “and in that time there have been two opposing players who have really stood out: Michael Jordan and Len Bias. Len was an amazing athlete with great competitiveness. My feeling is that he would have been one of the top players in the NBA. He created things. People associate the term “playmaking” with point guards. But I consider a playmaker as someone who can do things others can’t, the way Jordan did. Bias was like that. He could invent ways to score, and there was nothing you could do about it. No matter how you defended him, he could make a play.”
Tony Kornheiser, now with ESPN but then a columnist at The Washington Post, wrote on June 20, 1986, about mourners who were drawn to Cole Field House, where so many of Bias’s great memories were made.
“He’d jump and his knees would be in my teeth, and I’m 6-2,” said Reginald Adams, a junior at Drexel University in Philadelphia who had played against Bias in high school and came here because he idolized Bias. “The way he played motivated me so. I’d look at him play and say I wish I could do that. He’d intimidate you with words, talk about your mother. But when you tried it on him, go to him on the line and say, ‘You’re gonna miss,’ he’d smile and say, ‘No. Too good.'”
(https://cdn.washingtoncitypaper.com/files/base/scomm/wcp/image/2012/10/640w/_dev_pubsys_images_20121010_bias_jordan_257x387.jpg)
Gotta admit, the lift on that jump shot is impressive
I don't doubt he would have been really good. I think it's hugely presumptuous and Green goggles to just assume he would have been some Jordan-tier player.
Why did Daugherty go ahead of him? I mean Daugherty was awesome but no one considered him so foul to Jordan
It was a different era when centers were frequently taken ahead of smaller players that were more talented. It's similar to how QB's are usually taken ahead of better players.
Embry was totally in favor of sending Roy Hinson and other considerations to Philadelphia for the rights to draft Daugherty, who was considered soft by Katz and the Sixers.
"When I got the call the evening before as to whether that would be a move to make, I said, 'By all means,' " said Embry, now a consultant with the Toronto Raptors. "It was my opinion that the Cavs needed a center. I thought Brad Daugherty was a future star. He was the best center in the draft that year. That's why I insisted they make the trade.
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Remember the Wiggins hype? The Okafor hype? The Fultz hype?
Wiggins is pretty decent, and played at a winning program in college. One can't say that of Fultz who hid for half the year. With Fultz, face it, his one year in college was one big shell game.
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The Celtics aren’t suffering from lack of depth. They’re suffering from a ridiculous number of injuries. Technically, the people who are out are:
Kyrie
Smart
Brown
Hayward
Theis
If that was your starting 5, that’s good enough to get out of the first round in the playoffs, TBH. Second round too, actually. We can kiss our chances of getting the first seed goodbye. Can we get another DPE?
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The Celtics aren’t suffering from lack of depth. They’re suffering from a ridiculous number of injuries. Technically, the people who are out are:
Kyrie
Smart
Brown
Hayward
Theis
If that was your starting 5, that’s good enough to get out of the first round in the playoffs, TBH. Second round too, actually. We can kiss our chances of getting the first seed goodbye. Can we get another DPE?
For now we can also add Horford to that list
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Call up jabari Bird and see what he's got
He's injured too :-\
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Bias might have been projected as "the next Jordan" but people need to accept that it was never likely that he would actually be like Jordan.
Whenever an injury or tragedy cuts a players career short, people take the best possible case scenario and act like it was a foregone conclusion that it would have happened.
Bias was a great prospect. That's all we know about him. He played 0 NBA games. Don't tell me he was going to be some answer to Michael Jordan because while possible, we just can't know.
Harold freaking Minor was also projected as the next Jordan.
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Bias might have been projected as "the next Jordan" but people need to accept that it was never likely that he would actually be like Jordan.
Whenever an injury or tragedy cuts a players career short, people take the best possible case scenario and act like it was a foregone conclusion that it would have happened.
Bias was a great prospect. That's all we know about him. He played 0 NBA games. Don't tell me he was going to be some answer to Michael Jordan because while possible, we just can't know.
Harold freaking Minor was also projected as the next Jordan.
Bias wasn't projected as the next Jordan because they played at the same time and were considered similar in terms of talent level. If you don't want to believe this to be the case, then so be it, but I do encourage you to watch a lot of video of him and also watch his 30 for 30 so you can see for yourself what the hype was about.
The Baby Jordan Minor thing was because he looked like him, not because he played like him.
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Bias might have been projected as "the next Jordan" but people need to accept that it was never likely that he would actually be like Jordan.
Whenever an injury or tragedy cuts a players career short, people take the best possible case scenario and act like it was a foregone conclusion that it would have happened.
Bias was a great prospect. That's all we know about him. He played 0 NBA games. Don't tell me he was going to be some answer to Michael Jordan because while possible, we just can't know.
Harold freaking Minor was also projected as the next Jordan.
Bias wasn't projected as the next Jordan because they played at the same time and were considered similar in terms of talent level. If you don't want to believe this to be the case, then so be it, but I do encourage you to watch a lot of video of him and also watch his 30 for 30 so you can see for yourself what the hype was about.
The Baby Jordan Minor thing was because he looked like him, not because he played like him.
Bias was projected as the next Jordan because Jordan was currently dominating in the NBA and they played in a similar way.
Every year the top draft picks get overhyped and are given ridiculous player comps. The difference between everyone else and Len Bias is that Bias died before those silly comps wore off. No one is gonna go back and nit-pick at the guys game after he dies in such a tragic fashion.
Obviously adding an elite 3/4 prospect to a great team would have been awesome. The aging Celtics could have stretched a few more years out of their primes and an elite talent like Bias would obviously help.
I just want us to admit that the idea that he would have been some Michael Jordan level player is really just not likely.
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just a flesh wound
Smart can play though it.
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Bias might have been projected as "the next Jordan" but people need to accept that it was never likely that he would actually be like Jordan.
Whenever an injury or tragedy cuts a players career short, people take the best possible case scenario and act like it was a foregone conclusion that it would have happened.
Bias was a great prospect. That's all we know about him. He played 0 NBA games. Don't tell me he was going to be some answer to Michael Jordan because while possible, we just can't know.
Harold freaking Minor was also projected as the next Jordan.
Bias wasn't projected as the next Jordan because they played at the same time and were considered similar in terms of talent level. If you don't want to believe this to be the case, then so be it, but I do encourage you to watch a lot of video of him and also watch his 30 for 30 so you can see for yourself what the hype was about.
The Baby Jordan Minor thing was because he looked like him, not because he played like him.
Bias was projected as the next Jordan because Jordan was currently dominating in the NBA and they played in a similar way.
Every year the top draft picks get overhyped and are given ridiculous player comps. The difference between everyone else and Len Bias is that Bias died before those silly comps wore off. No one is gonna go back and nit-pick at the guys game after he dies in such a tragic fashion.
Obviously adding an elite 3/4 prospect to a great team would have been awesome. The aging Celtics could have stretched a few more years out of their primes and an elite talent like Bias would obviously help.
I just want us to admit that the idea that he would have been some Michael Jordan level player is really just not likely.
It wasn't so much that he was compared to Jordan (which happened) as much as he was considered a "rival" to Jordan.
Everyone knew Bias was the Wilt to Russell and the Bird to Magic.
They projected this because Bias was that good.
Not because they "played in a similar way."
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Bias might have been projected as "the next Jordan" but people need to accept that it was never likely that he would actually be like Jordan.
Whenever an injury or tragedy cuts a players career short, people take the best possible case scenario and act like it was a foregone conclusion that it would have happened.
Bias was a great prospect. That's all we know about him. He played 0 NBA games. Don't tell me he was going to be some answer to Michael Jordan because while possible, we just can't know.
Harold freaking Minor was also projected as the next Jordan.
Bias wasn't projected as the next Jordan because they played at the same time and were considered similar in terms of talent level. If you don't want to believe this to be the case, then so be it, but I do encourage you to watch a lot of video of him and also watch his 30 for 30 so you can see for yourself what the hype was about.
The Baby Jordan Minor thing was because he looked like him, not because he played like him.
Bias was projected as the next Jordan because Jordan was currently dominating in the NBA and they played in a similar way.
Every year the top draft picks get overhyped and are given ridiculous player comps. The difference between everyone else and Len Bias is that Bias died before those silly comps wore off. No one is gonna go back and nit-pick at the guys game after he dies in such a tragic fashion.
Obviously adding an elite 3/4 prospect to a great team would have been awesome. The aging Celtics could have stretched a few more years out of their primes and an elite talent like Bias would obviously help.
I just want us to admit that the idea that he would have been some Michael Jordan level player is really just not likely.
It wasn't so much that he was compared to Jordan (which happened) as much as he was considered a "rival" to Jordan.
Everyone knew Bias was the Wilt to Russell and the Bird to Magic.
They projected this because Bias was that good.
Not because they "played in a similar way."
And that is exactly why Jordan is slightly overrated imo, because he had no real rival in his prime. That's why he grabbed 6 titles even with taking a break in between them. Olajuwon became a legit rival for a short time, but unfortunately Jordan was not in the league in that period.
Russell had Wilt.
Bird had to deal with Magic's Lakers, Thomas and the Bad Boy Pistons, some [dang] tough Sixers teams to name a few.
Lebron has had the KG era Celtics, the Duncan era Spurs, and the GS Warriors to deal with.
Jordan never had a legit rival, and it's not because he was that much greater than guys like Magic, Bird, Lebron, Wilt, Russell, etc., its that the guys who could have been his equals were lost for one reason or another before they had the chance.
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Not taking into account the very unique calls that when on during Jordan's time, making the league more popular, him selling sneakers etc (carries, travels, etc etc). Mind you a great player.
Bias had all the tools that Jordan had + more and was 6'8" (as i remember)
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If yall cant see the blind homerism in saying "Bias had all the tools that Jordan had + more" IDK what to tell yall
He played 0 games and yall have convinced yourselves he was a top 5 player EVER.
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Came in here to get a Marcus Smart update, got a Bias/Jordan debate instead.
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Call up jabari Bird and see what he's got
He's injured too :-\
Sue Bird would be a better option
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Call up jabari Bird and see what he's got
He's injured too :-\
Sue Bird would be a better option
Sue Bird is not walking through that door.
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Not sure whether it's a tear. It's possible he might play with soft cast.
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Scroll on ESPN at end of Double OT said Stevens said Smart might not play for rest of season
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Well our shot at re-signing him has probably gone up significantly in the last 4 weeks. His market value has taken a dive in my opinion. Obviously this injury is out of his control, but fair amount of time missed in a contract season, historically bad shooting splits, but top notch defense. What do we all see him getting? I'd be surprised if he got a long term $10 mill offer from a team to be honest.
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And that is exactly why Jordan is slightly overrated imo, because he had no real rival in his prime. That's why he grabbed 6 titles even with taking a break in between them. Olajuwon became a legit rival for a short time, but unfortunately Jordan was not in the league in that period.
Russell had Wilt.
Bird had to deal with Magic's Lakers, Thomas and the Bad Boy Pistons, some [dang] tough Sixers teams to name a few.
Lebron has had the KG era Celtics, the Duncan era Spurs, and the GS Warriors to deal with.
Jordan never had a legit rival, and it's not because he was that much greater than guys like Magic, Bird, Lebron, Wilt, Russell, etc., its that the guys who could have been his equals were lost for one reason or another before they had the chance.
Does that make him less than LeBron who has a hard time beating his rival. CLE used to give CHI a hard time but it was before the conference finals.
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Scroll on ESPN at end of Double OT said Stevens said Smart might not play for rest of season
Ainge was on 98.5 today and said they're still waiting on the second opinion (Smart is in NY today to see a hand specialist). Still don't know whether he'll need surgery or will be able to just tape it up and play.
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https://twitter.com/celtics/status/974665065403224065
#NEBHInjuryReport: I’m regard to Marcus Smart’s thumb injury, Brad Stevens says “there will be some news at 5 o’clock.”
Does not sound good
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Woj: Celtics guard Marcus Smart will undergo surgery on his thumb today, but there's hope he can return sometime in the playoffs, league source tells ESPN.
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/974668416236834817 (https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/974668416236834817)
Yuck.
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Woj: Celtics guard Marcus Smart will undergo surgery on his thumb today, but there's hope he can return sometime in the playoffs, league source tells ESPN.
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/974668416236834817 (https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/974668416236834817)
Yuck.
We should write him off. Don't expect to see him again this year.
Bummer.
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Scroll on ESPN at end of Double OT said Stevens said Smart might not play for rest of season
Ainge was on 98.5 today and said they're still waiting on the second opinion (Smart is in NY today to see a hand specialist). Still don't know whether he'll need surgery or will be able to just tape it up and play.
I'm honestly very upset at how Smart even got in this situation... How much do you see him getting, and do you want him to return next year, or be gone with the wind?
Woj: Celtics guard Marcus Smart will undergo surgery on his thumb today, but there's hope he can return sometime in the playoffs, league source tells ESPN.
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/974668416236834817 (https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/974668416236834817)
Yuck.
Frustrating... Sigh...
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I'm honestly very upset at how Smart even got in this situation... How much do you see him getting, and do you want him to return next year, or be gone with the wind?
You're frustrated that he dove for a loose ball? Isn't that, like, the whole point of having Smart on your team?
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I'm honestly very upset at how Smart even got in this situation... How much do you see him getting, and do you want him to return next year, or be gone with the wind?
You're frustrated that he dove for a loose ball? Isn't that, like, the whole point of having Smart on your team?
No, that's my favorite part of Smart.
I'm frustrated he punched a wall, because he supposedly was upset some escort or IG model got into his head...
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I’m gonna assume he is back in six weeks until told otherwise. Only way it’ll keep me from moping about all the injuries this season lol
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Woj: Celtics guard Marcus Smart will undergo surgery on his thumb today, but there's hope he can return sometime in the playoffs, league source tells ESPN.
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/974668416236834817 (https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/974668416236834817)
Yuck.
That's about as undefinitive as you can get. :P
The rollercoaster continues:
- Beginning: High hopes
- 5 minutes in: Hopes dashed
- 16-game winning streak: High hopes
- Post-London malaise: Hopes dashed
- Smaller winning streak: High hopes
- Smart's hand, Theis's knee, Irving's knee, Smart's hand again: Hopes dashed
This season has really been a mixed bag: Some pleasant surprises, and some dreadful ones. Where will this season end up? None of us knows. But it could get really ugly before everything's said and done.
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I'm honestly very upset at how Smart even got in this situation... How much do you see him getting, and do you want him to return next year, or be gone with the wind?
You're frustrated that he dove for a loose ball? Isn't that, like, the whole point of having Smart on your team?
No, that's my favorite part of Smart.
I'm frustrated he punched a wall, because he supposedly was upset some escort or IG model got into his head...
is that related to this injury at all?
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I’m gonna assume he is back in six weeks until told otherwise. Only way it’ll keep me from moping about all the injuries this season lol
6 weeks would put him back right at the end of the first round.
Seems like the recovery timeframe is roughly 4-6 weeks with most trending toward the latter end of that timeframe before coming back. Hopefully it’s sooner than that, but I’d be happy to have him back at the end of the first round.
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Could have been worse I suppose.
This will likely keep him off all-defense teams which is too bad for him as I had him penciled in to my first team.
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His last game as a Celtic has been played, sucks to see him go out like that.
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I'm honestly very upset at how Smart even got in this situation... How much do you see him getting, and do you want him to return next year, or be gone with the wind?
You're frustrated that he dove for a loose ball? Isn't that, like, the whole point of having Smart on your team?
No, that's my favorite part of Smart.
I'm frustrated he punched a wall, because he supposedly was upset some escort or IG model got into his head...
He recovered from that injury and had been back playing. This injury was from diving for a loose ball. The only connection between the two is via the butterfly effect.
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I'm honestly very upset at how Smart even got in this situation... How much do you see him getting, and do you want him to return next year, or be gone with the wind?
You're frustrated that he dove for a loose ball? Isn't that, like, the whole point of having Smart on your team?
No, that's my favorite part of Smart.
I'm frustrated he punched a wall, because he supposedly was upset some escort or IG model got into his head...
He recovered from that injury and had been back playing. This injury was from diving for a loose ball. The only connection between the two is via the butterfly effect.
I was under the impression that while he was cleared to play and recovered, that there would still be lingering aftereffects.
But if it isn't pertaining to each other, then we have awful luck with injuries this season.
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His last game as a Celtic has been played, sucks to see him go out like that.
I think it's entirely possible he is back either in the playoffs or next year.
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His last game as a Celtic has been played, sucks to see him go out like that.
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Can someone remind me how Smart hurt his hand a second time? Google only seems to bring up the previous injury.
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Can someone remind me how Smart hurt his hand a second time? Google only seems to bring up the previous injury.
on a loose ball dive vs the Pacers, he still played the rest of the game
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Would probably be close to being back by the playoffs...if things go right
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His last game as a Celtic has been played, sucks to see him go out like that.
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Seems like we found our scorching red hot sportz take of the day.
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His last game as a Celtic has been played, sucks to see him go out like that.
I think it's entirely possible he is back either in the playoffs or next year.
Me too.
Which team is going to give Smart $9 million plus. The guy is worth bringing back at that amount.
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His last game as a Celtic has been played, sucks to see him go out like that.
I think it's entirely possible he is back either in the playoffs or next year.
Me too.
Which team is going to give Smart $9 million plus. The guy is worth bringing back at that amount.
Sure in a vacuum, but not if that 9 million puts Boston into the luxury tax, which I believe is likely and thus don't expect him back as I can't see Boston paying the luxury tax next season.
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His last game as a Celtic has been played, sucks to see him go out like that.
I think it's entirely possible he is back either in the playoffs or next year.
Me too.
Which team is going to give Smart $9 million plus. The guy is worth bringing back at that amount.
Ultimately, I think Smart gets more than that in the open market. It's going to be a tough decision if he gets to unrestricted free agency.
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His last game as a Celtic has been played, sucks to see him go out like that.
I think it's entirely possible he is back either in the playoffs or next year.
Me too.
Which team is going to give Smart $9 million plus. The guy is worth bringing back at that amount.
Ultimately, I think Smart gets more than that in the open market. It's going to be a tough decision if he gets to unrestricted free agency.
Luckily that tough decision would be a year away.
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His last game as a Celtic has been played, sucks to see him go out like that.
I think it's entirely possible he is back either in the playoffs or next year.
Me too.
Which team is going to give Smart $9 million plus. The guy is worth bringing back at that amount.
Ultimately, I think Smart gets more than that in the open market. It's going to be a tough decision if he gets to unrestricted free agency.
I find it hard to see Smart getting more than the $8+ million a year that an MLE player gets. Roberson got $10 million a year in a better market. Lou Williams got only $8 million a year in this market. Smart shot like crap this year. Was out 11 games because of a maturity issue when he punched a picture. Now he's out for weeks with another injury.
Smart might need to take the qualifying offer and attempt to significantly improve his shot while establishing value greater than the MLE to get a big payday.
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I'm honestly very upset at how Smart even got in this situation... How much do you see him getting, and do you want him to return next year, or be gone with the wind?
You're frustrated that he dove for a loose ball? Isn't that, like, the whole point of having Smart on your team?
No, that's my favorite part of Smart.
I'm frustrated he punched a wall, because he supposedly was upset some escort or IG model got into his head...
He recovered from that injury and had been back playing. This injury was from diving for a loose ball. The only connection between the two is via the butterfly effect.
I was under the impression that while he was cleared to play and recovered, that there would still be lingering aftereffects.
But if it isn't pertaining to each other, then we have awful luck with injuries this season.
They are not related. One was a cut near the tendon near the pinky finger, the other is a thumb ligament.
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I'm honestly very upset at how Smart even got in this situation... How much do you see him getting, and do you want him to return next year, or be gone with the wind?
You're frustrated that he dove for a loose ball? Isn't that, like, the whole point of having Smart on your team?
No, that's my favorite part of Smart.
I'm frustrated he punched a wall, because he supposedly was upset some escort or IG model got into his head...
He recovered from that injury and had been back playing. This injury was from diving for a loose ball. The only connection between the two is via the butterfly effect.
I was under the impression that while he was cleared to play and recovered, that there would still be lingering aftereffects.
But if it isn't pertaining to each other, then we have awful luck with injuries this season.
They are not related. One was a cut near the tendon near the pinky finger, the other is a thumb ligament.
Ahh, I forgot it was a tendon, I thought it was the thumb though.
TP for clarification.
Either way, man... tough luck for us :(
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His last game as a Celtic has been played, sucks to see him go out like that.
I think it's entirely possible he is back either in the playoffs or next year.
Me too.
Which team is going to give Smart $9 million plus. The guy is worth bringing back at that amount.
Ultimately, I think Smart gets more than that in the open market. It's going to be a tough decision if he gets to unrestricted free agency.
I find it hard to see Smart getting more than the $8+ million a year that an MLE player gets. Roberson got $10 million a year in a better market. Lou Williams got only $8 million a year in this market. Smart shot like crap this year. Was out 11 games because of a maturity issue when he punched a picture. Now he's out for weeks with another injury.
Smart might need to take the qualifying offer and attempt to significantly improve his shot while establishing value greater than the MLE to get a big payday.
Lou Williams wasn't in the market
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His last game as a Celtic has been played, sucks to see him go out like that.
I think it's entirely possible he is back either in the playoffs or next year.
Me too.
Which team is going to give Smart $9 million plus. The guy is worth bringing back at that amount.
Ultimately, I think Smart gets more than that in the open market. It's going to be a tough decision if he gets to unrestricted free agency.
I find it hard to see Smart getting more than the $8+ million a year that an MLE player gets. Roberson got $10 million a year in a better market. Lou Williams got only $8 million a year in this market. Smart shot like crap this year. Was out 11 games because of a maturity issue when he punched a picture. Now he's out for weeks with another injury.
Smart might need to take the qualifying offer and attempt to significantly improve his shot while establishing value greater than the MLE to get a big payday.
Lou Williams wasn't in the market
Splitting hairs here Moranis. Maybe more accurate to say Lou Williams only got $8 million a year just a couple of months ago with a contract extension, but I think the vast majority of people, like everyone but you, know what I meant by saying what I did.
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His last game as a Celtic has been played, sucks to see him go out like that.
I think it's entirely possible he is back either in the playoffs or next year.
Me too.
Which team is going to give Smart $9 million plus. The guy is worth bringing back at that amount.
+1
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His last game as a Celtic has been played, sucks to see him go out like that.
I think it's entirely possible he is back either in the playoffs or next year.
Me too.
Which team is going to give Smart $9 million plus. The guy is worth bringing back at that amount.
Ultimately, I think Smart gets more than that in the open market. It's going to be a tough decision if he gets to unrestricted free agency.
I find it hard to see Smart getting more than the $8+ million a year that an MLE player gets. Roberson got $10 million a year in a better market. Lou Williams got only $8 million a year in this market. Smart shot like crap this year. Was out 11 games because of a maturity issue when he punched a picture. Now he's out for weeks with another injury.
Smart might need to take the qualifying offer and attempt to significantly improve his shot while establishing value greater than the MLE to get a big payday.
Lou Williams wasn't in the market
While true, his agent surely assessed the upcoming market.
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His last game as a Celtic has been played, sucks to see him go out like that.
I think it's entirely possible he is back either in the playoffs or next year.
Me too.
Which team is going to give Smart $9 million plus. The guy is worth bringing back at that amount.
Ultimately, I think Smart gets more than that in the open market. It's going to be a tough decision if he gets to unrestricted free agency.
I find it hard to see Smart getting more than the $8+ million a year that an MLE player gets. Roberson got $10 million a year in a better market. Lou Williams got only $8 million a year in this market. Smart shot like crap this year. Was out 11 games because of a maturity issue when he punched a picture. Now he's out for weeks with another injury.
Smart might need to take the qualifying offer and attempt to significantly improve his shot while establishing value greater than the MLE to get a big payday.
Lou Williams wasn't in the market
Splitting hairs here Moranis. Maybe more accurate to say Lou Williams only got $8 million a year just a couple of months ago with a contract extension, but I think the vast majority of people, like everyone but you, know what I meant by saying what I did.
extensions though are limited in what they can be. He just wanted stability, but he wasn't in the market so you can't really use him as an example of the market.
I think there is a chance Phoenix offers Smart 10+ million a year. He would be a very nice fit with Booker and they have a real need at that position (Payton trade not with standing) and the cap space to do it. I don't think Phoenix is the only team with cap space that will look at Smart either. This won't be a crazy market like a couple of seasons ago, but there will be teams with room that will look very hard at signing Smart at a fairly reasonable price (like 10-11 million a year).
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I think we need to make an updated free agent to be list and see where Smart ranks, taking into account he is a RFA. I know most of us love Smart and people outside of Boston also appreciate his hustle and grit, but cap room is already at a minimum and I think we will be surprised by how many other players are at least comparable to him. It is going to take a pretty gutsy GM to skip over more gifted offensive players to sign Smart to a big contract - especially if it is a GM of a team that isn't very good. Smart has always struck me as the kind-of player to make a good team better, not a bad team good.
Anyway, I hope he comes back for the playoffs and I hope we can re-sign him for a bargain deal. He is a fantastic player and a lot fun to watch even if some of his shots are cringeworthy :o
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I think most teams view Smart as great bench guy but not a starter. That impacts his market value a lot.
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It comes mostly down to supply and demand, and also his RFA status to determine what he gets. There are roughly 5 or 6 teams that will have real cap space beyond the mid level exception. Then you have to look at the talent available for guards as free agents. You have RFAs such as Smart, Lavine, and Exum and UFAs like IT, Bradley, Evans, Caldwell Pope, and Evans. It will be interesting to see if one of the teams with cap space like the 76rs, Bulls, Suns, or Mavs can pry him away, or settle on an UFA.
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I’m gonna assume he is back in six weeks until told otherwise. Only way it’ll keep me from moping about all the injuries this season lol
6 weeks would put him back right at the end of the first round.
Seems like the recovery timeframe is roughly 4-6 weeks with most trending toward the latter end of that timeframe before coming back. Hopefully it’s sooner than that, but I’d be happy to have him back at the end of the first round.
I am thinking this as well, and if they need him to win the first round then there is no point for him coming back because there is no way they will make ECF.
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It comes mostly down to supply and demand, and also his RFA status to determine what he gets. There are roughly 5 or 6 teams that will have real cap space beyond the mid level exception. Then you have to look at the talent available for guards as free agents. You have RFAs such as Smart, Lavine, and Exum and UFAs like IT, Bradley, Evans, Caldwell Pope, and Evans. It will be interesting to see if one of the teams with cap space like the 76rs, Bulls, Suns, or Mavs can pry him away, or settle on an UFA.
Yeah, except it doesn't really. There's only one Smart, and a limited number of teams that can sign him. NBA free agency is all about leverage, not supply and demand.
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His last game as a Celtic has been played, sucks to see him go out like that.
I think it's entirely possible he is back either in the playoffs or next year.
Me too.
Which team is going to give Smart $9 million plus. The guy is worth bringing back at that amount.
Ultimately, I think Smart gets more than that in the open market. It's going to be a tough decision if he gets to unrestricted free agency.
I find it hard to see Smart getting more than the $8+ million a year that an MLE player gets. Roberson got $10 million a year in a better market. Lou Williams got only $8 million a year in this market. Smart shot like crap this year. Was out 11 games because of a maturity issue when he punched a picture. Now he's out for weeks with another injury.
Smart might need to take the qualifying offer and attempt to significantly improve his shot while establishing value greater than the MLE to get a big payday.
Lou Williams wasn't in the market
Splitting hairs here Moranis. Maybe more accurate to say Lou Williams only got $8 million a year just a couple of months ago with a contract extension, but I think the vast majority of people, like everyone but you, know what I meant by saying what I did.
extensions though are limited in what they can be. He just wanted stability, but he wasn't in the market so you can't really use him as an example of the market.
I think there is a chance Phoenix offers Smart 10+ million a year. He would be a very nice fit with Booker and they have a real need at that position (Payton trade not with standing) and the cap space to do it. I don't think Phoenix is the only team with cap space that will look at Smart either. This won't be a crazy market like a couple of seasons ago, but there will be teams with room that will look very hard at signing Smart at a fairly reasonable price (like 10-11 million a year).
If I were the Phoenix owner and the GM suggested signing Smart, I'd fire him on the spot. The Suns are a lousy team. If they sign Smart, they'd still be a lousy team but have 10-11M less cap space per your suggestion. Assuming they can't sign a star caliber player, they need to use their cap space for taking on salary dumps.
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http://twitter.com/celtics/status/974756141069754369
6-8 weeks. That’s going to be really pushing it for Smart.
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His last game as a Celtic has been played, sucks to see him go out like that.
I think it's entirely possible he is back either in the playoffs or next year.
Me too.
Which team is going to give Smart $9 million plus. The guy is worth bringing back at that amount.
Ultimately, I think Smart gets more than that in the open market. It's going to be a tough decision if he gets to unrestricted free agency.
I find it hard to see Smart getting more than the $8+ million a year that an MLE player gets. Roberson got $10 million a year in a better market. Lou Williams got only $8 million a year in this market. Smart shot like crap this year. Was out 11 games because of a maturity issue when he punched a picture. Now he's out for weeks with another injury.
Smart might need to take the qualifying offer and attempt to significantly improve his shot while establishing value greater than the MLE to get a big payday.
Lou Williams wasn't in the market
Splitting hairs here Moranis. Maybe more accurate to say Lou Williams only got $8 million a year just a couple of months ago with a contract extension, but I think the vast majority of people, like everyone but you, know what I meant by saying what I did.
extensions though are limited in what they can be. He just wanted stability, but he wasn't in the market so you can't really use him as an example of the market.
I think there is a chance Phoenix offers Smart 10+ million a year. He would be a very nice fit with Booker and they have a real need at that position (Payton trade not with standing) and the cap space to do it. I don't think Phoenix is the only team with cap space that will look at Smart either. This won't be a crazy market like a couple of seasons ago, but there will be teams with room that will look very hard at signing Smart at a fairly reasonable price (like 10-11 million a year).
If I were the Phoenix owner and the GM suggested signing Smart, I'd fire him on the spot. The Suns are a lousy team. If they sign Smart, they'd still be a lousy team but have 10-11M less cap space per your suggestion. Assuming they can't sign a star caliber player, they need to use their cap space for taking on salary dumps.
they don't need more young guys or later 1st round picks. They have plenty of young players. What they need is someone like Smart that hustled, defends, does the dirty work, etc. He is worth a lot more to a team like Phoenix then he would be worth to a contender.
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His last game as a Celtic has been played, sucks to see him go out like that.
I think it's entirely possible he is back either in the playoffs or next year.
Me too.
Which team is going to give Smart $9 million plus. The guy is worth bringing back at that amount.
Ultimately, I think Smart gets more than that in the open market. It's going to be a tough decision if he gets to unrestricted free agency.
I find it hard to see Smart getting more than the $8+ million a year that an MLE player gets. Roberson got $10 million a year in a better market. Lou Williams got only $8 million a year in this market. Smart shot like crap this year. Was out 11 games because of a maturity issue when he punched a picture. Now he's out for weeks with another injury.
Smart might need to take the qualifying offer and attempt to significantly improve his shot while establishing value greater than the MLE to get a big payday.
Lou Williams wasn't in the market
Splitting hairs here Moranis. Maybe more accurate to say Lou Williams only got $8 million a year just a couple of months ago with a contract extension, but I think the vast majority of people, like everyone but you, know what I meant by saying what I did.
extensions though are limited in what they can be. He just wanted stability, but he wasn't in the market so you can't really use him as an example of the market.
I think there is a chance Phoenix offers Smart 10+ million a year. He would be a very nice fit with Booker and they have a real need at that position (Payton trade not with standing) and the cap space to do it. I don't think Phoenix is the only team with cap space that will look at Smart either. This won't be a crazy market like a couple of seasons ago, but there will be teams with room that will look very hard at signing Smart at a fairly reasonable price (like 10-11 million a year).
If I were the Phoenix owner and the GM suggested signing Smart, I'd fire him on the spot. The Suns are a lousy team. If they sign Smart, they'd still be a lousy team but have 10-11M less cap space per your suggestion. Assuming they can't sign a star caliber player, they need to use their cap space for taking on salary dumps.
they don't need more young guys or later 1st round picks. They have plenty of young players. What they need is someone like Smart that hustled, defends, does the dirty work, etc. He is worth a lot more to a team like Phoenix then he would be worth to a contender.
Completely disagree. Smart makes a lot more sense for a contender with good offense players that needs to shore up its defense. Smart wouldn't make the Suns significantly better. Most of their young players aren't even mediocre.
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http://twitter.com/celtics/status/974756141069754369
6-8 weeks. That’s going to be really pushing it for Smart.
I could see Smart making it back by sometime in the 2nd round of the playoffs. Even if he can't shoot well with it, just being a defensive pest could help us a lot.
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His last game as a Celtic has been played, sucks to see him go out like that.
I think it's entirely possible he is back either in the playoffs or next year.
Me too.
Which team is going to give Smart $9 million plus. The guy is worth bringing back at that amount.
Ultimately, I think Smart gets more than that in the open market. It's going to be a tough decision if he gets to unrestricted free agency.
I find it hard to see Smart getting more than the $8+ million a year that an MLE player gets. Roberson got $10 million a year in a better market. Lou Williams got only $8 million a year in this market. Smart shot like crap this year. Was out 11 games because of a maturity issue when he punched a picture. Now he's out for weeks with another injury.
Smart might need to take the qualifying offer and attempt to significantly improve his shot while establishing value greater than the MLE to get a big payday.
Lou Williams wasn't in the market
Splitting hairs here Moranis. Maybe more accurate to say Lou Williams only got $8 million a year just a couple of months ago with a contract extension, but I think the vast majority of people, like everyone but you, know what I meant by saying what I did.
extensions though are limited in what they can be. He just wanted stability, but he wasn't in the market so you can't really use him as an example of the market.
I think there is a chance Phoenix offers Smart 10+ million a year. He would be a very nice fit with Booker and they have a real need at that position (Payton trade not with standing) and the cap space to do it. I don't think Phoenix is the only team with cap space that will look at Smart either. This won't be a crazy market like a couple of seasons ago, but there will be teams with room that will look very hard at signing Smart at a fairly reasonable price (like 10-11 million a year).
If I were the Phoenix owner and the GM suggested signing Smart, I'd fire him on the spot. The Suns are a lousy team. If they sign Smart, they'd still be a lousy team but have 10-11M less cap space per your suggestion. Assuming they can't sign a star caliber player, they need to use their cap space for taking on salary dumps.
they don't need more young guys or later 1st round picks. They have plenty of young players. What they need is someone like Smart that hustled, defends, does the dirty work, etc. He is worth a lot more to a team like Phoenix then he would be worth to a contender.
Completely disagree. Smart makes a lot more sense for a contender with good offense players that needs to shore up its defense. Smart wouldn't make the Suns significantly better. Most of their young players aren't even mediocre.
I agree, Smart is a way better player on a contender that already has guys who can score. He fits our team really well for next year with Kyrie, Gordon, Brown, Tatum, Morris all guys who can score the ball. I hope we can resign him next year to a sub 10mil deal.
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It comes mostly down to supply and demand, and also his RFA status to determine what he gets. There are roughly 5 or 6 teams that will have real cap space beyond the mid level exception. Then you have to look at the talent available for guards as free agents. You have RFAs such as Smart, Lavine, and Exum and UFAs like IT, Bradley, Evans, Caldwell Pope, and Evans. It will be interesting to see if one of the teams with cap space like the 76rs, Bulls, Suns, or Mavs can pry him away, or settle on an UFA.
Yeah, except it doesn't really. There's only one Smart, and a limited number of teams that can sign him. NBA free agency is all about leverage, not supply and demand.
Well it’s not an exact comparison because of Smart’s bird right’s and we can go over the cap to sign him, but he is competing with the supply of free agents, and the available cap space of other teams. If the amount of teams say 20 had lots of cap space with the current crop of free agents I’d be a lot more worried losing him.
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His last game as a Celtic has been played, sucks to see him go out like that.
I think it's entirely possible he is back either in the playoffs or next year.
Me too.
Which team is going to give Smart $9 million plus. The guy is worth bringing back at that amount.
Ultimately, I think Smart gets more than that in the open market. It's going to be a tough decision if he gets to unrestricted free agency.
I find it hard to see Smart getting more than the $8+ million a year that an MLE player gets. Roberson got $10 million a year in a better market. Lou Williams got only $8 million a year in this market. Smart shot like crap this year. Was out 11 games because of a maturity issue when he punched a picture. Now he's out for weeks with another injury.
Smart might need to take the qualifying offer and attempt to significantly improve his shot while establishing value greater than the MLE to get a big payday.
Lou Williams wasn't in the market
Splitting hairs here Moranis. Maybe more accurate to say Lou Williams only got $8 million a year just a couple of months ago with a contract extension, but I think the vast majority of people, like everyone but you, know what I meant by saying what I did.
extensions though are limited in what they can be. He just wanted stability, but he wasn't in the market so you can't really use him as an example of the market.
I think there is a chance Phoenix offers Smart 10+ million a year. He would be a very nice fit with Booker and they have a real need at that position (Payton trade not with standing) and the cap space to do it. I don't think Phoenix is the only team with cap space that will look at Smart either. This won't be a crazy market like a couple of seasons ago, but there will be teams with room that will look very hard at signing Smart at a fairly reasonable price (like 10-11 million a year).
If I were the Phoenix owner and the GM suggested signing Smart, I'd fire him on the spot. The Suns are a lousy team. If they sign Smart, they'd still be a lousy team but have 10-11M less cap space per your suggestion. Assuming they can't sign a star caliber player, they need to use their cap space for taking on salary dumps.
they don't need more young guys or later 1st round picks. They have plenty of young players. What they need is someone like Smart that hustled, defends, does the dirty work, etc. He is worth a lot more to a team like Phoenix then he would be worth to a contender.
Completely disagree. Smart makes a lot more sense for a contender with good offense players that needs to shore up its defense. Smart wouldn't make the Suns significantly better. Most of their young players aren't even mediocre.
the Suns have a lot of offense in Booker and Warren on the wing. Smart is the perfect compliment to them.
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His last game as a Celtic has been played, sucks to see him go out like that.
I think it's entirely possible he is back either in the playoffs or next year.
Me too.
Which team is going to give Smart $9 million plus. The guy is worth bringing back at that amount.
Ultimately, I think Smart gets more than that in the open market. It's going to be a tough decision if he gets to unrestricted free agency.
I find it hard to see Smart getting more than the $8+ million a year that an MLE player gets. Roberson got $10 million a year in a better market. Lou Williams got only $8 million a year in this market. Smart shot like crap this year. Was out 11 games because of a maturity issue when he punched a picture. Now he's out for weeks with another injury.
Smart might need to take the qualifying offer and attempt to significantly improve his shot while establishing value greater than the MLE to get a big payday.
Lou Williams wasn't in the market
Splitting hairs here Moranis. Maybe more accurate to say Lou Williams only got $8 million a year just a couple of months ago with a contract extension, but I think the vast majority of people, like everyone but you, know what I meant by saying what I did.
extensions though are limited in what they can be. He just wanted stability, but he wasn't in the market so you can't really use him as an example of the market.
I think there is a chance Phoenix offers Smart 10+ million a year. He would be a very nice fit with Booker and they have a real need at that position (Payton trade not with standing) and the cap space to do it. I don't think Phoenix is the only team with cap space that will look at Smart either. This won't be a crazy market like a couple of seasons ago, but there will be teams with room that will look very hard at signing Smart at a fairly reasonable price (like 10-11 million a year).
If I were the Phoenix owner and the GM suggested signing Smart, I'd fire him on the spot. The Suns are a lousy team. If they sign Smart, they'd still be a lousy team but have 10-11M less cap space per your suggestion. Assuming they can't sign a star caliber player, they need to use their cap space for taking on salary dumps.
they don't need more young guys or later 1st round picks. They have plenty of young players. What they need is someone like Smart that hustled, defends, does the dirty work, etc. He is worth a lot more to a team like Phoenix then he would be worth to a contender.
Completely disagree. Smart makes a lot more sense for a contender with good offense players that needs to shore up its defense. Smart wouldn't make the Suns significantly better. Most of their young players aren't even mediocre.
the Suns have a lot of offense in Booker and Warren on the wing. Smart is the perfect compliment to them.
The Suns offensive rating is at the bottom of the league. They're only scoring 104.3 ppg even though they are 2nd in pace. They're defense is at the bottom of the league too but adding Smart isn't going to do much to improve that.
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His last game as a Celtic has been played, sucks to see him go out like that.
I think it's entirely possible he is back either in the playoffs or next year.
Me too.
Which team is going to give Smart $9 million plus. The guy is worth bringing back at that amount.
Ultimately, I think Smart gets more than that in the open market. It's going to be a tough decision if he gets to unrestricted free agency.
I find it hard to see Smart getting more than the $8+ million a year that an MLE player gets. Roberson got $10 million a year in a better market. Lou Williams got only $8 million a year in this market. Smart shot like crap this year. Was out 11 games because of a maturity issue when he punched a picture. Now he's out for weeks with another injury.
Smart might need to take the qualifying offer and attempt to significantly improve his shot while establishing value greater than the MLE to get a big payday.
Lou Williams wasn't in the market
Splitting hairs here Moranis. Maybe more accurate to say Lou Williams only got $8 million a year just a couple of months ago with a contract extension, but I think the vast majority of people, like everyone but you, know what I meant by saying what I did.
extensions though are limited in what they can be. He just wanted stability, but he wasn't in the market so you can't really use him as an example of the market.
I think there is a chance Phoenix offers Smart 10+ million a year. He would be a very nice fit with Booker and they have a real need at that position (Payton trade not with standing) and the cap space to do it. I don't think Phoenix is the only team with cap space that will look at Smart either. This won't be a crazy market like a couple of seasons ago, but there will be teams with room that will look very hard at signing Smart at a fairly reasonable price (like 10-11 million a year).
If I were the Phoenix owner and the GM suggested signing Smart, I'd fire him on the spot. The Suns are a lousy team. If they sign Smart, they'd still be a lousy team but have 10-11M less cap space per your suggestion. Assuming they can't sign a star caliber player, they need to use their cap space for taking on salary dumps.
they don't need more young guys or later 1st round picks. They have plenty of young players. What they need is someone like Smart that hustled, defends, does the dirty work, etc. He is worth a lot more to a team like Phoenix then he would be worth to a contender.
Completely disagree. Smart makes a lot more sense for a contender with good offense players that needs to shore up its defense. Smart wouldn't make the Suns significantly better. Most of their young players aren't even mediocre.
the Suns have a lot of offense in Booker and Warren on the wing. Smart is the perfect compliment to them.
The Suns offensive rating is at the bottom of the league. They're only scoring 104.3 ppg even though they are 2nd in pace. They're defense is at the bottom of the league too but adding Smart isn't going to do much to improve that.
They’ve got to hope Josh Jackson fills the Smart role, right?
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http://twitter.com/celtics/status/974756141069754369
6-8 weeks. That’s going to be really pushing it for Smart.
I could see Smart making it back by sometime in the 2nd round of the playoffs. Even if he can't shoot well with it, just being a defensive pest could help us a lot.
Should we read anything into the wording? 6-8 for basketball activities doesn’t sound like 6-8 weeks to come back.
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It seems we won't see much from Smart till the end of season. A little bit more than Hayward.
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His last game as a Celtic has been played, sucks to see him go out like that.
I think it's entirely possible he is back either in the playoffs or next year.
Me too.
Which team is going to give Smart $9 million plus. The guy is worth bringing back at that amount.
Ultimately, I think Smart gets more than that in the open market. It's going to be a tough decision if he gets to unrestricted free agency.
I find it hard to see Smart getting more than the $8+ million a year that an MLE player gets. Roberson got $10 million a year in a better market. Lou Williams got only $8 million a year in this market. Smart shot like crap this year. Was out 11 games because of a maturity issue when he punched a picture. Now he's out for weeks with another injury.
Smart might need to take the qualifying offer and attempt to significantly improve his shot while establishing value greater than the MLE to get a big payday.
Lou Williams wasn't in the market
Splitting hairs here Moranis. Maybe more accurate to say Lou Williams only got $8 million a year just a couple of months ago with a contract extension, but I think the vast majority of people, like everyone but you, know what I meant by saying what I did.
extensions though are limited in what they can be. He just wanted stability, but he wasn't in the market so you can't really use him as an example of the market.
I think there is a chance Phoenix offers Smart 10+ million a year. He would be a very nice fit with Booker and they have a real need at that position (Payton trade not with standing) and the cap space to do it. I don't think Phoenix is the only team with cap space that will look at Smart either. This won't be a crazy market like a couple of seasons ago, but there will be teams with room that will look very hard at signing Smart at a fairly reasonable price (like 10-11 million a year).
If I were the Phoenix owner and the GM suggested signing Smart, I'd fire him on the spot. The Suns are a lousy team. If they sign Smart, they'd still be a lousy team but have 10-11M less cap space per your suggestion. Assuming they can't sign a star caliber player, they need to use their cap space for taking on salary dumps.
they don't need more young guys or later 1st round picks. They have plenty of young players. What they need is someone like Smart that hustled, defends, does the dirty work, etc. He is worth a lot more to a team like Phoenix then he would be worth to a contender.
"what they need is someone like smart that hustles and defends"
Its about time I read a worth while take on what Smart brings to Boston. You nailed it!
These so called Fans who want Smart gone haven't a clue about team Basketball. Its not all about jacking up three's and hanging out with Durant. Just ask Larry Brown who built a Champion out of lunch pail type players back in 04 and 05..
Smart haters "please go back to the basement" please!
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His last game as a Celtic has been played, sucks to see him go out like that.
I think it's entirely possible he is back either in the playoffs or next year.
Me too.
Which team is going to give Smart $9 million plus. The guy is worth bringing back at that amount.
Ultimately, I think Smart gets more than that in the open market. It's going to be a tough decision if he gets to unrestricted free agency.
I find it hard to see Smart getting more than the $8+ million a year that an MLE player gets. Roberson got $10 million a year in a better market. Lou Williams got only $8 million a year in this market. Smart shot like crap this year. Was out 11 games because of a maturity issue when he punched a picture. Now he's out for weeks with another injury.
Smart might need to take the qualifying offer and attempt to significantly improve his shot while establishing value greater than the MLE to get a big payday.
Lou Williams wasn't in the market
Splitting hairs here Moranis. Maybe more accurate to say Lou Williams only got $8 million a year just a couple of months ago with a contract extension, but I think the vast majority of people, like everyone but you, know what I meant by saying what I did.
extensions though are limited in what they can be. He just wanted stability, but he wasn't in the market so you can't really use him as an example of the market.
I think there is a chance Phoenix offers Smart 10+ million a year. He would be a very nice fit with Booker and they have a real need at that position (Payton trade not with standing) and the cap space to do it. I don't think Phoenix is the only team with cap space that will look at Smart either. This won't be a crazy market like a couple of seasons ago, but there will be teams with room that will look very hard at signing Smart at a fairly reasonable price (like 10-11 million a year).
If I were the Phoenix owner and the GM suggested signing Smart, I'd fire him on the spot. The Suns are a lousy team. If they sign Smart, they'd still be a lousy team but have 10-11M less cap space per your suggestion. Assuming they can't sign a star caliber player, they need to use their cap space for taking on salary dumps.
they don't need more young guys or later 1st round picks. They have plenty of young players. What they need is someone like Smart that hustled, defends, does the dirty work, etc. He is worth a lot more to a team like Phoenix then he would be worth to a contender.
Completely disagree. Smart makes a lot more sense for a contender with good offense players that needs to shore up its defense. Smart wouldn't make the Suns significantly better. Most of their young players aren't even mediocre.
the Suns have a lot of offense in Booker and Warren on the wing. Smart is the perfect compliment to them.
The Suns offensive rating is at the bottom of the league. They're only scoring 104.3 ppg even though they are 2nd in pace. They're defense is at the bottom of the league too but adding Smart isn't going to do much to improve that.
a large part of that is they have pretty poor offensive players at the 1, 4, and 5 spots on the floor. I realize Smart is also a poor offensive player, but he is a much better fit next to Warren and Booker (who are both excellent offensive players) than Payton and everyone else on the Suns. They may just decide to re-up Payton and not risk Boston matching, but Phoenix makes a heck of a lot of sense as a destination for Smart, and if they let Payton walk, they will have 10 million+ to offer Smart.
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Bullpett thinks Danny will re-sign him, especially since the market will be soft.
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His last game as a Celtic has been played, sucks to see him go out like that.
I think it's entirely possible he is back either in the playoffs or next year.
Me too.
Which team is going to give Smart $9 million plus. The guy is worth bringing back at that amount.
Ultimately, I think Smart gets more than that in the open market. It's going to be a tough decision if he gets to unrestricted free agency.
I find it hard to see Smart getting more than the $8+ million a year that an MLE player gets. Roberson got $10 million a year in a better market. Lou Williams got only $8 million a year in this market. Smart shot like crap this year. Was out 11 games because of a maturity issue when he punched a picture. Now he's out for weeks with another injury.
Smart might need to take the qualifying offer and attempt to significantly improve his shot while establishing value greater than the MLE to get a big payday.
Lou Williams wasn't in the market
Splitting hairs here Moranis. Maybe more accurate to say Lou Williams only got $8 million a year just a couple of months ago with a contract extension, but I think the vast majority of people, like everyone but you, know what I meant by saying what I did.
extensions though are limited in what they can be. He just wanted stability, but he wasn't in the market so you can't really use him as an example of the market.
I think there is a chance Phoenix offers Smart 10+ million a year. He would be a very nice fit with Booker and they have a real need at that position (Payton trade not with standing) and the cap space to do it. I don't think Phoenix is the only team with cap space that will look at Smart either. This won't be a crazy market like a couple of seasons ago, but there will be teams with room that will look very hard at signing Smart at a fairly reasonable price (like 10-11 million a year).
If I were the Phoenix owner and the GM suggested signing Smart, I'd fire him on the spot. The Suns are a lousy team. If they sign Smart, they'd still be a lousy team but have 10-11M less cap space per your suggestion. Assuming they can't sign a star caliber player, they need to use their cap space for taking on salary dumps.
they don't need more young guys or later 1st round picks. They have plenty of young players. What they need is someone like Smart that hustled, defends, does the dirty work, etc. He is worth a lot more to a team like Phoenix then he would be worth to a contender.
Completely disagree. Smart makes a lot more sense for a contender with good offense players that needs to shore up its defense. Smart wouldn't make the Suns significantly better. Most of their young players aren't even mediocre.
the Suns have a lot of offense in Booker and Warren on the wing. Smart is the perfect compliment to them.
The Suns offensive rating is at the bottom of the league. They're only scoring 104.3 ppg even though they are 2nd in pace. They're defense is at the bottom of the league too but adding Smart isn't going to do much to improve that.
a large part of that is they have pretty poor offensive players at the 1, 4, and 5 spots on the floor. I realize Smart is also a poor offensive player, but he is a much better fit next to Warren and Booker (who are both excellent offensive players) than Payton and everyone else on the Suns. They may just decide to re-up Payton and not risk Boston matching, but Phoenix makes a heck of a lot of sense as a destination for Smart, and if they let Payton walk, they will have 10 million+ to offer Smart.
A team as bad as the Suns doesn't and shouldn't focus on defensive fit. Let's say he's a great fit for the Suns which I don't particularly agree with. What does that make them 5th or 6th worse team rather than the 1st or 2nd worst team? The Suns need to focus on talent not fit.
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Bullpett thinks Danny will re-sign him, especially since the market will be soft.
I'd agree with that. I wouldn't be surprised if Smart takes his qualifying offer and tries again in 2019 free agency as a UFA when teams may have a bit more cap space.
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His last game as a Celtic has been played, sucks to see him go out like that.
I think it's entirely possible he is back either in the playoffs or next year.
Me too.
Which team is going to give Smart $9 million plus. The guy is worth bringing back at that amount.
Ultimately, I think Smart gets more than that in the open market. It's going to be a tough decision if he gets to unrestricted free agency.
I find it hard to see Smart getting more than the $8+ million a year that an MLE player gets. Roberson got $10 million a year in a better market. Lou Williams got only $8 million a year in this market. Smart shot like crap this year. Was out 11 games because of a maturity issue when he punched a picture. Now he's out for weeks with another injury.
Smart might need to take the qualifying offer and attempt to significantly improve his shot while establishing value greater than the MLE to get a big payday.
Lou Williams wasn't in the market
Splitting hairs here Moranis. Maybe more accurate to say Lou Williams only got $8 million a year just a couple of months ago with a contract extension, but I think the vast majority of people, like everyone but you, know what I meant by saying what I did.
extensions though are limited in what they can be. He just wanted stability, but he wasn't in the market so you can't really use him as an example of the market.
I think there is a chance Phoenix offers Smart 10+ million a year. He would be a very nice fit with Booker and they have a real need at that position (Payton trade not with standing) and the cap space to do it. I don't think Phoenix is the only team with cap space that will look at Smart either. This won't be a crazy market like a couple of seasons ago, but there will be teams with room that will look very hard at signing Smart at a fairly reasonable price (like 10-11 million a year).
If I were the Phoenix owner and the GM suggested signing Smart, I'd fire him on the spot. The Suns are a lousy team. If they sign Smart, they'd still be a lousy team but have 10-11M less cap space per your suggestion. Assuming they can't sign a star caliber player, they need to use their cap space for taking on salary dumps.
they don't need more young guys or later 1st round picks. They have plenty of young players. What they need is someone like Smart that hustled, defends, does the dirty work, etc. He is worth a lot more to a team like Phoenix then he would be worth to a contender.
Completely disagree. Smart makes a lot more sense for a contender with good offense players that needs to shore up its defense. Smart wouldn't make the Suns significantly better. Most of their young players aren't even mediocre.
the Suns have a lot of offense in Booker and Warren on the wing. Smart is the perfect compliment to them.
The Suns offensive rating is at the bottom of the league. They're only scoring 104.3 ppg even though they are 2nd in pace. They're defense is at the bottom of the league too but adding Smart isn't going to do much to improve that.
They’ve got to hope Josh Jackson fills the Smart role, right?
Jackson started off slow and has been up and down, but he has the make-up to be special. He has twelve 20-point games on the season, including tonight's 36 points (6 rebs, 4 assists, 2 steals, 1 block) on 60% shooting.
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Bullpett thinks Danny will re-sign him, especially since the market will be soft.
I'd agree with that. I wouldn't be surprised if Smart takes his qualifying offer and tries again in 2019 free agency as a UFA when teams may have a bit more cap space.
Well I would. So much can happen in a year and taking the QO practically means your removing a year of your earning potential.
I think Smart and the Celts figure out a number that works for both parties and get the deal done.
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Bullpett thinks Danny will re-sign him, especially since the market will be soft.
I'd agree with that. I wouldn't be surprised if Smart takes his qualifying offer and tries again in 2019 free agency as a UFA when teams may have a bit more cap space.
Well I would. So much can happen in a year and taking the QO practically means your removing a year of your earning potential.
I think Smart and the Celts figure out a number that works for both parties and get the deal done.
Straight from the horse's mouth. TP.
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Bullpett thinks Danny will re-sign him, especially since the market will be soft.
I'd agree with that. I wouldn't be surprised if Smart takes his qualifying offer and tries again in 2019 free agency as a UFA when teams may have a bit more cap space.
Well I would. So much can happen in a year and taking the QO practically means your removing a year of your earning potential.
I think Smart and the Celts figure out a number that works for both parties and get the deal done.
I said I wouldn't be surprised not that I think it is likely. Smart's QO is 6.05M. He's not going to get much more than that this offseason. The biggest risk with taking the QO is injury.
One question is how much Ainge values Smart versus Rozier and Brown. With Hayward coming back, there will be 30+ minutes less to go around. Smart doesn't have Brown's upside and Rozier has another year on his rookie contract and is likely to be easier to be re-signed. Another question is Smart's ego. He's not going to start for us, his minutes are likely to get cut significantly and he's probably not going to get the offer he wants from Ainge (or probably any other team).
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Oh well. Just get Smart back. He's not a star but the C's are clearly a better team with him in the fold.
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Wonder if Smart played his last game in a Celtics uniform last Sunday.
Gonna miss his hustles regardless, but his shooting won't be missed.
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Bullpett thinks Danny will re-sign him, especially since the market will be soft.
I'd agree with that. I wouldn't be surprised if Smart takes his qualifying offer and tries again in 2019 free agency as a UFA when teams may have a bit more cap space.
Well I would. So much can happen in a year and taking the QO practically means your removing a year of your earning potential.
I think Smart and the Celts figure out a number that works for both parties and get the deal done.
I said I wouldn't be surprised not that I think it is likely. Smart's QO is 6.05M. He's not going to get much more than that this offseason. The biggest risk with taking the QO is injury.
One question is how much Ainge values Smart versus Rozier and Brown. With Hayward coming back, there will be 30+ minutes less to go around. Smart doesn't have Brown's upside and Rozier has another year on his rookie contract and is likely to be easier to be re-signed. Another question is Smart's ego. He's not going to start for us, his minutes are likely to get cut significantly and he's probably not going to get the offer he wants from Ainge (or probably any other team).
I think Smart's minutes will be safe if we resign him, especially due to his defensive versatility. There might be a 2-3 MPG drop when we are at full strength but injuries/rest will allow him to make up a portion of that during the course of an 82 game season. He has also stated multiple times that starting isn't important to him. Trading Morris and letting Baynes walk is a probable scenario if Smart is resigned. We could also keep Baynes and not offer the MLE to Monroe. However, I have a feeling that the Celtics like the idea of integrating Monroe with a healthy squad.
As much as I love Terry I wouldn't rule out him being traded if he continues to perform at a high level into the playoffs. I don't believe Danny wants to trade him but he might receive a great offer prior to the draft that makes makes sense given some of the cap restrictions of the team. It would be difficult for Danny to say no to a late lottery/mid 1st round pick. Those rookie deals are important.
Below is my take on next years optimal rotation with Smart and Terry back on the team. I didn't factor in anticipated injuries or blowout wins. My minutes distribution is entirely based upon an optimal regular season lineup against tough competition. Brad will want most of the starters to play roughly 30 MPG. The return of Hayward should tighten up the overall rotation. I skipped listing specific positions since Brad is always preaching position-less basketball.
Starters
Kyrie - 30 MPG
Jaylen - 30 MPG
Hayward - 30 MPG
Tatum - 30 MPG
Horford - 30 MPG
Bench
Smart - 26 MPG
Rozier - 26 MPG
Theis/Monroe - 33 MPG
Semi/Yabusele/Draft Picks/Vet Free Agents - 5 MPG
This rotation works because of the versatility of Brown, Hayward, Tatum, Horford, and Smart.
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Wonder if Smart played his last game in a Celtics uniform last Sunday.
Gonna miss his hustles regardless, but his shooting won't be missed.
He is a goner unfortunately
Reading Pacers will go hard after Randle or Gordon and Smart in the offseason
I think Danny offered Smart in the neighborhood of 8-10 million per season and Smart and his agent balked
Pacers can doll out 15 million a season to smart. If I'm Smart I'm leaving
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Wonder if Smart played his last game in a Celtics uniform last Sunday.
Gonna miss his hustles regardless, but his shooting won't be missed.
He is a goner unfortunately
Reading Pacers will go hard after Randle or Gordon and Smart in the offseason
I think Danny offered Smart in the neighborhood of 8-10 million per season and Smart and his agent balked
Pacers can doll out 15 million a season to smart. If I'm Smart I'm leaving
we offered more
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Wonder if Smart played his last game in a Celtics uniform last Sunday.
Gonna miss his hustles regardless, but his shooting won't be missed.
He is a goner unfortunately
Reading Pacers will go hard after Randle or Gordon and Smart in the offseason
I think Danny offered Smart in the neighborhood of 8-10 million per season and Smart and his agent balked
Pacers can doll out 15 million a season to smart. If I'm Smart I'm leaving
Im glad you can predict the future with 100% certainty unlike the rest of us. Your Jordan Mickey theories were more convincing though.
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Wonder if Smart played his last game in a Celtics uniform last Sunday.
Gonna miss his hustles regardless, but his shooting won't be missed.
He is a goner unfortunately
Reading Pacers will go hard after Randle or Gordon and Smart in the offseason
I think Danny offered Smart in the neighborhood of 8-10 million per season and Smart and his agent balked
Pacers can doll out 15 million a season to smart. If I'm Smart I'm leaving
I guess it's possible after they don't pick up Big Al's option, but Indy already has a lot of decent guards under contract for next season. Oladipo ($21M), Bogdanovic ($10.5M), Collison ($10M), Joseph ($8M), Stephenson ($4.4M). That's about $54M invested in guards already. They appear to be able to add Smart's salary, but seem to have more pressing needs. Turner, Sabonis, and Thad Young are their only playable front court players under contract next season.
Smart may be priced out of staying in Boston - I think most of us hope that doesn't happen - but it is going to take a somewhat irrational GM to make that happen.
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Indy will have to PAY Myles Turner right around the corner. Therefore, things are not quite as beautiful as some are painting in Indy.
Smitty77
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Wonder if Smart played his last game in a Celtics uniform last Sunday.
Gonna miss his hustles regardless, but his shooting won't be missed.
He is a goner unfortunately
Reading Pacers will go hard after Randle or Gordon and Smart in the offseason
I think Danny offered Smart in the neighborhood of 8-10 million per season and Smart and his agent balked
Pacers can doll out 15 million a season to smart. If I'm Smart I'm leaving
I don't think any team is going to be foolish enough to offer Smart $15m per. That's a huge overpay.
But if someone does, then yes, Smart will not be back with the Celtics. Ainge will never pay a defensive role player that kind of money.
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Wonder if Smart played his last game in a Celtics uniform last Sunday.
Gonna miss his hustles regardless, but his shooting won't be missed.
He is a goner unfortunately
Reading Pacers will go hard after Randle or Gordon and Smart in the offseason
I think Danny offered Smart in the neighborhood of 8-10 million per season and Smart and his agent balked
Pacers can doll out 15 million a season to smart. If I'm Smart I'm leaving
I don't think any team is going to be foolish enough to offer Smart $15m per. That's a huge overpay.
But if someone does, then yes, Smart will not be back with the Celtics. Ainge will never pay a defensive role player that kind of money.
Kelly Olynyk makes 15M per and Smart is a far better player.
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Wonder if Smart played his last game in a Celtics uniform last Sunday.
Gonna miss his hustles regardless, but his shooting won't be missed.
He is a goner unfortunately
Reading Pacers will go hard after Randle or Gordon and Smart in the offseason
I think Danny offered Smart in the neighborhood of 8-10 million per season and Smart and his agent balked
Pacers can doll out 15 million a season to smart. If I'm Smart I'm leaving
I don't think any team is going to be foolish enough to offer Smart $15m per. That's a huge overpay.
But if someone does, then yes, Smart will not be back with the Celtics. Ainge will never pay a defensive role player that kind of money.
Kelly Olynyk makes 15M per and Smart is a far better player.
Smart is clearly better on defense, but Olynyk is clearly better on offense.
Teams generally value offense more than defense, and big men are always paid more than guards, especially when that big man can shoot the three ball at a good rate.
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Wonder if Smart played his last game in a Celtics uniform last Sunday.
Gonna miss his hustles regardless, but his shooting won't be missed.
He is a goner unfortunately
Reading Pacers will go hard after Randle or Gordon and Smart in the offseason
I think Danny offered Smart in the neighborhood of 8-10 million per season and Smart and his agent balked
Pacers can doll out 15 million a season to smart. If I'm Smart I'm leaving
I don't think any team is going to be foolish enough to offer Smart $15m per. That's a huge overpay.
But if someone does, then yes, Smart will not be back with the Celtics. Ainge will never pay a defensive role player that kind of money.
Kelly Olynyk makes 15M per and Smart is a far better player.
Actually Olynyk is making 10.6M this year and that goes up to 12.2M (player option) in 3 more years. The Heat overpaid for him but 3 point shooting bigs are more valued than defensive oriented guards that can't shoot.
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Wonder if Smart played his last game in a Celtics uniform last Sunday.
Gonna miss his hustles regardless, but his shooting won't be missed.
He is a goner unfortunately
Reading Pacers will go hard after Randle or Gordon and Smart in the offseason
I think Danny offered Smart in the neighborhood of 8-10 million per season and Smart and his agent balked
Pacers can doll out 15 million a season to smart. If I'm Smart I'm leaving
I don't think any team is going to be foolish enough to offer Smart $15m per. That's a huge overpay.
But if someone does, then yes, Smart will not be back with the Celtics. Ainge will never pay a defensive role player that kind of money.
Kelly Olynyk makes 15M per and Smart is a far better player.
Smart is clearly better on defense, but Olynyk is clearly better on offense.
Teams generally value offense more than defense, and big men are always paid more than guards, especially when that big man can shoot the three ball at a good rate.
The Celtics value players who make their team better.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/BOS/2018/lineups/
He is on most of the highest-rated lineups on the team. They are not going to let him walk away if the price on him is $12-15M.
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Wonder if Smart played his last game in a Celtics uniform last Sunday.
Gonna miss his hustles regardless, but his shooting won't be missed.
He is a goner unfortunately
Reading Pacers will go hard after Randle or Gordon and Smart in the offseason
I think Danny offered Smart in the neighborhood of 8-10 million per season and Smart and his agent balked
Pacers can doll out 15 million a season to smart. If I'm Smart I'm leaving
I don't think any team is going to be foolish enough to offer Smart $15m per. That's a huge overpay.
But if someone does, then yes, Smart will not be back with the Celtics. Ainge will never pay a defensive role player that kind of money.
Kelly Olynyk makes 15M per and Smart is a far better player.
Smart is clearly better on defense, but Olynyk is clearly better on offense.
Teams generally value offense more than defense, and big men are always paid more than guards, especially when that big man can shoot the three ball at a good rate.
The Celtics value players who make their team better.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/BOS/2018/lineups/
He is on most of the highest-rated lineups on the team. They are not going to let him walk away if the price on him is $12-15M.
Of course the team values players that make them better. But I seriously doubt anyone values Smart as a $15m per year player, including Ainge.
I guess we'll see who is right and who is wrong in about 4-5 months.
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Wonder if Smart played his last game in a Celtics uniform last Sunday.
Gonna miss his hustles regardless, but his shooting won't be missed.
He is a goner unfortunately
Reading Pacers will go hard after Randle or Gordon and Smart in the offseason
I think Danny offered Smart in the neighborhood of 8-10 million per season and Smart and his agent balked
Pacers can doll out 15 million a season to smart. If I'm Smart I'm leaving
I don't think any team is going to be foolish enough to offer Smart $15m per. That's a huge overpay.
But if someone does, then yes, Smart will not be back with the Celtics. Ainge will never pay a defensive role player that kind of money.
Kelly Olynyk makes 15M per and Smart is a far better player.
Smart is clearly better on defense, but Olynyk is clearly better on offense.
Teams generally value offense more than defense, and big men are always paid more than guards, especially when that big man can shoot the three ball at a good rate.
The Celtics value players who make their team better.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/BOS/2018/lineups/
He is on most of the highest-rated lineups on the team. They are not going to let him walk away if the price on him is $12-15M.
Of course the team values players that make them better. But I seriously doubt anyone values Smart as a $15m per year player, including Ainge.
I guess we'll see who is right and who is wrong in about 4-5 months.
I agree. Smart does not have a value of $12-15 million a year. But in the off chance some idiot of a GM decides to offer Smart 4 years at $50-60 million, there is no way Ainge matches it. He has too many people to pay in the next few years to take a big jump into the luxury tax on overpaying for Smart.
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Wonder if Smart played his last game in a Celtics uniform last Sunday.
Gonna miss his hustles regardless, but his shooting won't be missed.
He is a goner unfortunately
Reading Pacers will go hard after Randle or Gordon and Smart in the offseason
I think Danny offered Smart in the neighborhood of 8-10 million per season and Smart and his agent balked
Pacers can doll out 15 million a season to smart. If I'm Smart I'm leaving
I don't think any team is going to be foolish enough to offer Smart $15m per. That's a huge overpay.
But if someone does, then yes, Smart will not be back with the Celtics. Ainge will never pay a defensive role player that kind of money.
Kelly Olynyk makes 15M per and Smart is a far better player.
Actually Olynyk is making 10.6M this year and that goes up to 12.2M (player option) in 3 more years. The Heat overpaid for him but 3 point shooting bigs are more valued than defensive oriented guards that can't shoot.
If that is all you think Smart is than you (a) do not watch enough Celtics games and (b) are going to be very surprised how much he gets paid.
If you think Smart is more than that you (a) don't watch the games objectively and (b) going to be very disappointed with what he's getting paid in years 2 and 3 compared to production.
If Smart gets more than an AB type contract it won't be here and thank goodness for that. You don't over pay for bench guards who can't space the floor or finish at the rim.
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Wonder if Smart played his last game in a Celtics uniform last Sunday.
Gonna miss his hustles regardless, but his shooting won't be missed.
He is a goner unfortunately
Reading Pacers will go hard after Randle or Gordon and Smart in the offseason
I think Danny offered Smart in the neighborhood of 8-10 million per season and Smart and his agent balked
Pacers can doll out 15 million a season to smart. If I'm Smart I'm leaving
I don't think any team is going to be foolish enough to offer Smart $15m per. That's a huge overpay.
But if someone does, then yes, Smart will not be back with the Celtics. Ainge will never pay a defensive role player that kind of money.
Kelly Olynyk makes 15M per and Smart is a far better player.
Smart is clearly better on defense, but Olynyk is clearly better on offense.
Teams generally value offense more than defense, and big men are always paid more than guards, especially when that big man can shoot the three ball at a good rate.
The Celtics value players who make their team better.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/BOS/2018/lineups/
He is on most of the highest-rated lineups on the team. They are not going to let him walk away if the price on him is $12-15M.
Of course the team values players that make them better. But I seriously doubt anyone values Smart as a $15m per year player, including Ainge.
I guess we'll see who is right and who is wrong in about 4-5 months.
I am not suggesting that Ainge does value him at that (my guess is that deal would have been executed pre-season). Ainge has a track record of trying to extend the younger players early on cap-friendly deals, and my guess is that Smart's agent knows this and wants to use the market to force a better deal.
I think the market for Smart will be very strong. He is a starting-caliber PG who is one of the most elite defensive talents in the league. Letting him walk at, let's say, $12M per when you would only go to $9M or $10M has a good chance of being Tony Allen-to-Memphis all over again. And that turned out terrible for the Celtics. I do not know for sure but I would wager a lot of money that Danny would do that differently if he could go back in time.
Now if Smart gets an offer of $15M, when Ainge would only go half that, different story.
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Wonder if Smart played his last game in a Celtics uniform last Sunday.
Gonna miss his hustles regardless, but his shooting won't be missed.
He is a goner unfortunately
Reading Pacers will go hard after Randle or Gordon and Smart in the offseason
I think Danny offered Smart in the neighborhood of 8-10 million per season and Smart and his agent balked
Pacers can doll out 15 million a season to smart. If I'm Smart I'm leaving
I don't think any team is going to be foolish enough to offer Smart $15m per. That's a huge overpay.
But if someone does, then yes, Smart will not be back with the Celtics. Ainge will never pay a defensive role player that kind of money.
Kelly Olynyk makes 15M per and Smart is a far better player.
Actually Olynyk is making 10.6M this year and that goes up to 12.2M (player option) in 3 more years. The Heat overpaid for him but 3 point shooting bigs are more valued than defensive oriented guards that can't shoot.
If that is all you think Smart is than you (a) do not watch enough Celtics games and (b) are going to be very surprised how much he gets paid.
If you think Smart is more than that you (a) don't watch the games objectively and (b) going to be very disappointed with what he's getting paid in years 2 and 3 compared to production.
If Smart gets more than an AB type contract it won't be here and thank goodness for that. You don't over pay for bench guards who can't space the floor or finish at the rim.
Please see my previous link to the lineup stats. It does not get more objective than that. Him and Jaylen Brown are the highest rated twosome on the team. There is a reason for that, and a reason he shows up in most of the best lineups. There is a reason he plays 30+ min per game, why he plays at the end of games, and why his injury may submarine any chances they have in the playoffs.
The Celtics know this stuff. Ainge knows it, Stevens knows it. A lot of the people here freak out about his shooting % and ignore all of the other stuff he does. Someone else will recognize that and pay him.
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Wonder if Smart played his last game in a Celtics uniform last Sunday.
Gonna miss his hustles regardless, but his shooting won't be missed.
He is a goner unfortunately
Reading Pacers will go hard after Randle or Gordon and Smart in the offseason
I think Danny offered Smart in the neighborhood of 8-10 million per season and Smart and his agent balked
Pacers can doll out 15 million a season to smart. If I'm Smart I'm leaving
I don't think any team is going to be foolish enough to offer Smart $15m per. That's a huge overpay.
But if someone does, then yes, Smart will not be back with the Celtics. Ainge will never pay a defensive role player that kind of money.
Kelly Olynyk makes 15M per and Smart is a far better player.
Smart is clearly better on defense, but Olynyk is clearly better on offense.
Teams generally value offense more than defense, and big men are always paid more than guards, especially when that big man can shoot the three ball at a good rate.
The Celtics value players who make their team better.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/BOS/2018/lineups/
He is on most of the highest-rated lineups on the team. They are not going to let him walk away if the price on him is $12-15M.
Of course the team values players that make them better. But I seriously doubt anyone values Smart as a $15m per year player, including Ainge.
I guess we'll see who is right and who is wrong in about 4-5 months.
I agree. Smart does not have a value of $12-15 million a year. But in the off chance some idiot of a GM decides to offer Smart 4 years at $50-60 million, there is no way Ainge matches it. He has too many people to pay in the next few years to take a big jump into the luxury tax on overpaying for Smart.
They raised ticket prices 40% over the past 2 seasons. If they let him walk over a difference in salary of a couple million it is going to look real bad.
Again, if Ainge thinks he is worth $5M per and he gets $12M from somewhere else, that is one thing. And that might be true because if I remember correctly they were not really close to getting anything done early this season.
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Wonder if Smart played his last game in a Celtics uniform last Sunday.
Gonna miss his hustles regardless, but his shooting won't be missed.
He is a goner unfortunately
Reading Pacers will go hard after Randle or Gordon and Smart in the offseason
I think Danny offered Smart in the neighborhood of 8-10 million per season and Smart and his agent balked
Pacers can doll out 15 million a season to smart. If I'm Smart I'm leaving
I don't think any team is going to be foolish enough to offer Smart $15m per. That's a huge overpay.
But if someone does, then yes, Smart will not be back with the Celtics. Ainge will never pay a defensive role player that kind of money.
Kelly Olynyk makes 15M per and Smart is a far better player.
Actually Olynyk is making 10.6M this year and that goes up to 12.2M (player option) in 3 more years. The Heat overpaid for him but 3 point shooting bigs are more valued than defensive oriented guards that can't shoot.
Obviously if Olynyk is more valuable than Giannis Antetokounmpo he's more valuable than Marcus Smart.
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Wonder if Smart played his last game in a Celtics uniform last Sunday.
Gonna miss his hustles regardless, but his shooting won't be missed.
He is a goner unfortunately
Reading Pacers will go hard after Randle or Gordon and Smart in the offseason
I think Danny offered Smart in the neighborhood of 8-10 million per season and Smart and his agent balked
Pacers can doll out 15 million a season to smart. If I'm Smart I'm leaving
I don't think any team is going to be foolish enough to offer Smart $15m per. That's a huge overpay.
But if someone does, then yes, Smart will not be back with the Celtics. Ainge will never pay a defensive role player that kind of money.
Kelly Olynyk makes 15M per and Smart is a far better player.
Actually Olynyk is making 10.6M this year and that goes up to 12.2M (player option) in 3 more years. The Heat overpaid for him but 3 point shooting bigs are more valued than defensive oriented guards that can't shoot.
Obviously if Olynyk is more valuable than Giannis Antetokounmpo he's more valuable than Marcus Smart.
I am also not a fan of the using the term "overpaying." What Olynyk got was what his market was. That is "paying."
Now is he worth what he makes (ie value)? I cannot answer that, and quite frankly do not think anyone here can (see any thread on Horford). There are hundreds of people who work for NBA teams that try to correctly value players, and they still get it wrong all the time.
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Wonder if Smart played his last game in a Celtics uniform last Sunday.
Gonna miss his hustles regardless, but his shooting won't be missed.
He is a goner unfortunately
Reading Pacers will go hard after Randle or Gordon and Smart in the offseason
I think Danny offered Smart in the neighborhood of 8-10 million per season and Smart and his agent balked
Pacers can doll out 15 million a season to smart. If I'm Smart I'm leaving
I don't think any team is going to be foolish enough to offer Smart $15m per. That's a huge overpay.
But if someone does, then yes, Smart will not be back with the Celtics. Ainge will never pay a defensive role player that kind of money.
Kelly Olynyk makes 15M per and Smart is a far better player.
Actually Olynyk is making 10.6M this year and that goes up to 12.2M (player option) in 3 more years. The Heat overpaid for him but 3 point shooting bigs are more valued than defensive oriented guards that can't shoot.
Characterizing Smart as a "defensive-oriented guard who can't shoot" is a about as strong an undersell as I could imagine. I could go the other direction and call him a perennial defensive player of the year candidate with decent handle and good passing skills.
I think you could even make the case that his scoring efficiency improves when he plays with scorers.
I think the tipping point for Smart is around 12M. I also think Danny has been pretty good at gaging value.
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He is a starting-caliber PG who is one of the most elite defensive talents in the league.
I agree Smart is one of the best defensive players in the league.
I do not agree that Smart is a starting caliber PG. You're not going to win very many games with a starting PG as offensively challenged as Smart.
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He can't shoot, but he does add value on offense. He handles the ball well, passes well and makes winning plays. The team simply plays better on offense when he is on the floor. As far as I am concerned the real proof is that Brad wants him on the floor when the game is on the line. None of us know half of what Brad does about basketball, and he knows that the team is better with Smart on the floor than without.
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Ainge disputes that Smart has a torn tendon. Smart will get a second opinion!
https://www.thescore.com/nba/news/1503793 (https://www.thescore.com/nba/news/1503793)
Lol. Play till it's time for us to dump you elsewhere, Marcus.
Who tf says that??
Danny Ainge. Even if he stands to lose tens of millions of dollars.
TP, tar. You're a legend.
Honestly, I'm just being myself.
That's what makes it so special, pal.
You seem a little unstable...
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Ainge disputes that Smart has a torn tendon. Smart will get a second opinion!
https://www.thescore.com/nba/news/1503793 (https://www.thescore.com/nba/news/1503793)
Lol. Play till it's time for us to dump you elsewhere, Marcus.
Who tf says that??
Danny Ainge. Even if he stands to lose tens of millions of dollars.
TP, tar. You're a legend.
Honestly, I'm just being myself.
That's what makes it so special, pal.
You seem a little unstable...
Workin' on it man, one day at a time.
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Wonder if Smart played his last game in a Celtics uniform last Sunday.
Gonna miss his hustles regardless, but his shooting won't be missed.
He is a goner unfortunately
Reading Pacers will go hard after Randle or Gordon and Smart in the offseason
I think Danny offered Smart in the neighborhood of 8-10 million per season and Smart and his agent balked
Pacers can doll out 15 million a season to smart. If I'm Smart I'm leaving
I don't think any team is going to be foolish enough to offer Smart $15m per. That's a huge overpay.
But if someone does, then yes, Smart will not be back with the Celtics. Ainge will never pay a defensive role player that kind of money.
Kelly Olynyk makes 15M per and Smart is a far better player.
Actually Olynyk is making 10.6M this year and that goes up to 12.2M (player option) in 3 more years. The Heat overpaid for him but 3 point shooting bigs are more valued than defensive oriented guards that can't shoot.
Characterizing Smart as a "defensive-oriented guard who can't shoot" is a about as strong an undersell as I could imagine. I could go the other direction and call him a perennial defensive player of the year candidate with decent handle and good passing skills.
I think you could even make the case that his scoring efficiency improves when he plays with scorers.
I think the tipping point for Smart is around 12M. I also think Danny has been pretty good at gaging value.
Not to nitpick here but since when is Smart a DPOY candidate? I recognize you are being somewhat hyperbolic, but it speaks to a larger point that I actually think Smart might be slightly over rated defensively at this point. He's very good, but to me hes more an energy-grit-glue guy who makes some very wow plays than a shut down take a guy out of the game defensive player.
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Wonder if Smart played his last game in a Celtics uniform last Sunday.
Gonna miss his hustles regardless, but his shooting won't be missed.
He is a goner unfortunately
Reading Pacers will go hard after Randle or Gordon and Smart in the offseason
I think Danny offered Smart in the neighborhood of 8-10 million per season and Smart and his agent balked
Pacers can doll out 15 million a season to smart. If I'm Smart I'm leaving
I don't think any team is going to be foolish enough to offer Smart $15m per. That's a huge overpay.
But if someone does, then yes, Smart will not be back with the Celtics. Ainge will never pay a defensive role player that kind of money.
Kelly Olynyk makes 15M per and Smart is a far better player.
Actually Olynyk is making 10.6M this year and that goes up to 12.2M (player option) in 3 more years. The Heat overpaid for him but 3 point shooting bigs are more valued than defensive oriented guards that can't shoot.
Characterizing Smart as a "defensive-oriented guard who can't shoot" is a about as strong an undersell as I could imagine. I could go the other direction and call him a perennial defensive player of the year candidate with decent handle and good passing skills.
I think you could even make the case that his scoring efficiency improves when he plays with scorers.
I think the tipping point for Smart is around 12M. I also think Danny has been pretty good at gaging value.
Not to nitpick here but since when is Smart a DPOY candidate? I recognize you are being somewhat hyperbolic, but it speaks to a larger point that I actually think Smart might be slightly over rated defensively at this point. He's very good, but to me hes more an energy-grit-glue guy who makes some very wow plays than a shut down take a guy out of the game defensive player.
"Defensive oriented guard" and "perennial DPOY candidate" are two sides of a coin. Each a similar stretch from reality in either direction.
FWIW, if he were healthy throughout this season it would not have surprised me to see him receive some DPOY consideration. Guy is pretty impactful and infectious defensively when on the floor -- especially in the 4th.
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"Defensive oriented guard" and "perennial DPOY candidate" are two sides of a coin. Each a similar stretch from reality in either direction.
If Smart were "defensive oriented", he'd be a much better player. The problem is he isn't, and that's killing our team sometimes.
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"Defensive oriented guard" and "perennial DPOY candidate" are two sides of a coin. Each a similar stretch from reality in either direction.
If Smart were "defensive-oriented", he'd be a much better player. The problem is he isn't, and that's killing our team sometimes.
Koz, you are overthinking this.
Smart is a defensive-minded player. His decisionmaking is better at that end and his positive impact is felt more at that end.
Perennial DPOY he is not - you need to be durable for that and he hasn't shown that in 4 years.
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"Defensive oriented guard" and "perennial DPOY candidate" are two sides of a coin. Each a similar stretch from reality in either direction.
If Smart were "defensive-oriented", he'd be a much better player. The problem is he isn't, and that's killing our team sometimes.
Koz, you are overthinking this.
Smart is a defensive-minded player. His decisionmaking is better at that end and his positive impact is felt more at that end.
Perennial DPOY he is not - you need to be durable for that and he hasn't shown that in 4 years.
Depends on how you define "defensive-minded" (I was being a bit facetious in the definition, obviously). There's no doubt that he's a better defensive than offensive player, but he doesn't know how to play within himself on offense. If he learned how to pull some punches, the team would be better for it.
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"Defensive oriented guard" and "perennial DPOY candidate" are two sides of a coin. Each a similar stretch from reality in either direction.
If Smart were "defensive-oriented", he'd be a much better player. The problem is he isn't, and that's killing our team sometimes.
Koz, you are overthinking this.
Smart is a defensive-minded player. His decisionmaking is better at that end and his positive impact is felt more at that end.
Perennial DPOY he is not - you need to be durable for that and he hasn't shown that in 4 years.
Depends on how you define "defensive-minded" (I was being a bit facetious in the definition, obviously). There's no doubt that he's a better defensive than offensive player, but he doesn't know how to play within himself on offense. If he learned how to pull some punches, the team would be better for it.
The big problem I've always had with Smart is shoots the ball way too much. If he just cut back his shooting, he would be a much better overall player. But 4 years in, he still shoots like he is Steph Curry, and that is a huge problem.
Also, I think we overrate his defense on here a lot. He is a good defensive player, no question, but he is no where near a DPOY candidate, if a Celtic were to win that award, that Celtic would be Al Horford (not that I think he will win it, just that he would be most likely).
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Wonder if Smart played his last game in a Celtics uniform last Sunday.
Gonna miss his hustles regardless, but his shooting won't be missed.
He is a goner unfortunately
Reading Pacers will go hard after Randle or Gordon and Smart in the offseason
I think Danny offered Smart in the neighborhood of 8-10 million per season and Smart and his agent balked
Pacers can doll out 15 million a season to smart. If I'm Smart I'm leaving
I don't think any team is going to be foolish enough to offer Smart $15m per. That's a huge overpay.
But if someone does, then yes, Smart will not be back with the Celtics. Ainge will never pay a defensive role player that kind of money.
Kelly Olynyk makes 15M per and Smart is a far better player.
Smart is clearly better on defense, but Olynyk is clearly better on offense.
Teams generally value offense more than defense, and big men are always paid more than guards, especially when that big man can shoot the three ball at a good rate.
The Celtics value players who make their team better.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/BOS/2018/lineups/
He is on most of the highest-rated lineups on the team. They are not going to let him walk away if the price on him is $12-15M.
Of course the team values players that make them better. But I seriously doubt anyone values Smart as a $15m per year player, including Ainge.
I guess we'll see who is right and who is wrong in about 4-5 months.
I agree. Smart does not have a value of $12-15 million a year. But in the off chance some idiot of a GM decides to offer Smart 4 years at $50-60 million, there is no way Ainge matches it. He has too many people to pay in the next few years to take a big jump into the luxury tax on overpaying for Smart.
They raised ticket prices 40% over the past 2 seasons. If they let him walk over a difference in salary of a couple million it is going to look real bad.
Again, if Ainge thinks he is worth $5M per and he gets $12M from somewhere else, that is one thing. And that might be true because if I remember correctly they were not really close to getting anything done early this season.
I don't think it's about the absolute salary (at least it isn't for me, and I'm a STM whose tickets went up 15% this year; see thread: http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=95407.0). It's more about the cap and the luxury tax.
Having said that, I don't think he's going to be walking. He may actually be worth $12-15m, but there are few teams with salary cap space this off-season and enough players to go around that he's not going to have a heck of a lot of leverage. Timing and cap space are going to work in our favor this year.
Mike
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His last game as a Celtic has been played, sucks to see him go out like that.
I think it's entirely possible he is back either in the playoffs or next year.
Me too.
Which team is going to give Smart $9 million plus. The guy is worth bringing back at that amount.
Ultimately, I think Smart gets more than that in the open market. It's going to be a tough decision if he gets to unrestricted free agency.
I find it hard to see Smart getting more than the $8+ million a year that an MLE player gets. Roberson got $10 million a year in a better market. Lou Williams got only $8 million a year in this market. Smart shot like crap this year. Was out 11 games because of a maturity issue when he punched a picture. Now he's out for weeks with another injury.
Smart might need to take the qualifying offer and attempt to significantly improve his shot while establishing value greater than the MLE to get a big payday.
Lou Williams wasn't in the market
Splitting hairs here Moranis. Maybe more accurate to say Lou Williams only got $8 million a year just a couple of months ago with a contract extension, but I think the vast majority of people, like everyone but you, know what I meant by saying what I did.
extensions though are limited in what they can be. He just wanted stability, but he wasn't in the market so you can't really use him as an example of the market.
I think there is a chance Phoenix offers Smart 10+ million a year. He would be a very nice fit with Booker and they have a real need at that position (Payton trade not with standing) and the cap space to do it. I don't think Phoenix is the only team with cap space that will look at Smart either. This won't be a crazy market like a couple of seasons ago, but there will be teams with room that will look very hard at signing Smart at a fairly reasonable price (like 10-11 million a year).
If I were the Phoenix owner and the GM suggested signing Smart, I'd fire him on the spot. The Suns are a lousy team. If they sign Smart, they'd still be a lousy team but have 10-11M less cap space per your suggestion. Assuming they can't sign a star caliber player, they need to use their cap space for taking on salary dumps.
they don't need more young guys or later 1st round picks. They have plenty of young players. What they need is someone like Smart that hustled, defends, does the dirty work, etc. He is worth a lot more to a team like Phoenix then he would be worth to a contender.
Completely disagree. Smart makes a lot more sense for a contender with good offense players that needs to shore up its defense. Smart wouldn't make the Suns significantly better. Most of their young players aren't even mediocre.
the Suns have a lot of offense in Booker and Warren on the wing. Smart is the perfect compliment to them.
The Suns offensive rating is at the bottom of the league. They're only scoring 104.3 ppg even though they are 2nd in pace. They're defense is at the bottom of the league too but adding Smart isn't going to do much to improve that.
a large part of that is they have pretty poor offensive players at the 1, 4, and 5 spots on the floor. I realize Smart is also a poor offensive player, but he is a much better fit next to Warren and Booker (who are both excellent offensive players) than Payton and everyone else on the Suns. They may just decide to re-up Payton and not risk Boston matching, but Phoenix makes a heck of a lot of sense as a destination for Smart, and if they let Payton walk, they will have 10 million+ to offer Smart.
A team as bad as the Suns doesn't and shouldn't focus on defensive fit. Let's say he's a great fit for the Suns which I don't particularly agree with. What does that make them 5th or 6th worse team rather than the 1st or 2nd worst team? The Suns need to focus on talent not fit.
Sure, but who would you rather pay Payton or Smart? And if you don't pay one of them, what are you left with, Tyler Ullis and Brandon Knight (who may never be the same)? They obviously could end up with Doncic or Sexton, or some other high level rookie, but drafting one of those guys wouldn't stop them at all from signing Smart or Payton, who they frankly need as at worst a 6th man type. And it isn't like the Suns have mass of cap room, they don't, and as their younger guys start coming due, they won't have the cap room going forward. Phoenix is basically done acquiring high level picks. They have Booker. They have Jackson, Warren, Chriss, Bender, Len, and the rookie this year.
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Also, I think we overrate his defense on here a lot. He is a good defensive player, no question, but he is no where near a DPOY candidate, if a Celtic were to win that award, that Celtic would be Al Horford (not that I think he will win it, just that he would be most likely).
To put things in perspective, Tony Allen finished in the 4-6 range in the DPOY voting for three consecutive years, and that was all the serious DPOY consideration he's gotten over the course of his career. TA is probably the better defensive player than Smart, too.