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Re: 2024 NFL Draft
« Reply #30 on: April 18, 2024, 10:57:54 AM »

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Here's the AP's final mock:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/ap-mock-nfl-draft-3-231605073.html

Like all mocks it's meaningless, but would Pats fans be happy?

3.  Traded to Minnesota along with 2025 3rd and 2025 6th for #11, #23, 2025 #1

8.  Patriots trade #11, #34 for #8, 3rd rounder, 5th rounder.  Select J.J. McCarthy

23.  Adonai Mitchell

In summary:

Out:  #3, #34, 2025 3rd, 2025 6th

In:  J.J. McCarthy, Adonai Mitchell, 2024 3rd, 2024 5th, 2025 1st

This is a lot of moving parts.  I need to break it down some to understand:

This season's top of Draft:

     Out:  #3 and #34
     In:    #8 and #23

Mid Draft Picks:

     Out:   3rd and 6th in 2025
     In:     3rd and 5th in 2024

Bonus Pick:

     In:    1st in 2025

If we end up with JJ McCarthy with the resulting #8 pick, I think this is all fine.  Our second pick this draft ends up at #23 vs. #34 so that is a pretty good jump.  The mid round picks swaps is mostly moving from 2025 to 2024, which I guess is good, but not really all that much different.  And for all this trouble, we get an extra 1st in 2025.  Not exactly the boatload of picks I would like to get for trading out of #3, but if it worked out this way, it looks like a win.  It all comes down to how Maye vs. JJ McCarthy works out (assuming Maye is picked at #3).  If Maye ends up a bust (which is possible) the Pats will look like genius.  If JJ McCarthy ends up a bust, not so much, but they will have an extra first next season to try again for a QB.

Re: 2024 NFL Draft
« Reply #31 on: April 19, 2024, 06:10:20 PM »

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What are thoughts on this?

Pats trade #3 + 2025 3rd rounder to Minnesota for #11, #23 and 2025 1st

Pats select Michael Penix Jr. with #11, and then with #23 and #34 you use both picks on WR/OT, one for each spot? Depends who they love but maybe someone like Guyton or Mims at 23 (OT), and Worthy, Legette or BTJ at 34 (WR). Or AD Mitchell 23, and a tackle at 34 like Patrick Paul? 

Essentially you're first 3 picks in the Draft would be Penix, 1 WR, 1 OT. And you still have pick #68 to use on something too (early 3rd round).

I like Penix but not at #3. But at #11 I think it's worth it if you're not as high on Maye/Daniels. I personally am not a fan of Nix or McCarthy.
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Re: 2024 NFL Draft
« Reply #32 on: April 19, 2024, 06:12:06 PM »

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What are thoughts on this?

Pats trade #3 + 2025 3rd rounder to Minnesota for #11, #23 and 2025 1st

Pats select Michael Penix Jr. with #11, and then with #23 and #34 you use both picks on WR/OT, one for each spot? Depends who they love but maybe someone like Guyton or Mims at 23 (OT), and Worthy, Legette or BTJ at 34 (WR). Or AD Mitchell 23, and a tackle at 34 like Patrick Paul? 

Essentially you're first 3 picks in the Draft would be Penix, 1 WR, 1 OT. And you still have pick #68 to use on something too (early 3rd round).

Michael Penix Jr. will be there at #23.

Re: 2024 NFL Draft
« Reply #33 on: April 19, 2024, 06:48:43 PM »

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What are thoughts on this?

Pats trade #3 + 2025 3rd rounder to Minnesota for #11, #23 and 2025 1st

Pats select Michael Penix Jr. with #11, and then with #23 and #34 you use both picks on WR/OT, one for each spot? Depends who they love but maybe someone like Guyton or Mims at 23 (OT), and Worthy, Legette or BTJ at 34 (WR). Or AD Mitchell 23, and a tackle at 34 like Patrick Paul? 

Essentially you're first 3 picks in the Draft would be Penix, 1 WR, 1 OT. And you still have pick #68 to use on something too (early 3rd round).

Michael Penix Jr. will be there at #23.

I'm not so sure. McCarthy will likely go in the Top-6 somewhere, and then I could see some team deciding to take Penix between the 11-20 range. I wouldn't risk it.

But if you could still get him at #23, then that's great. Take a OT like Fashanu or Fuaga at 11 or WR Odunze, and Penix at 23. Use #34 then on whichever you didn't take between WR/OT.
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Re: 2024 NFL Draft
« Reply #34 on: April 19, 2024, 06:56:56 PM »

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What are thoughts on this?

Pats trade #3 + 2025 3rd rounder to Minnesota for #11, #23 and 2025 1st

Pats select Michael Penix Jr. with #11, and then with #23 and #34 you use both picks on WR/OT, one for each spot? Depends who they love but maybe someone like Guyton or Mims at 23 (OT), and Worthy, Legette or BTJ at 34 (WR). Or AD Mitchell 23, and a tackle at 34 like Patrick Paul? 

Essentially you're first 3 picks in the Draft would be Penix, 1 WR, 1 OT. And you still have pick #68 to use on something too (early 3rd round).

Michael Penix Jr. will be there at #23.

I'm not so sure. McCarthy will likely go in the Top-6 somewhere, and then I could see some team deciding to take Penix between the 11-20 range. I wouldn't risk it.

But if you could still get him at #23, then that's great. Take a OT like Fashanu or Fuaga at 11 or WR Odunze, and Penix at 23. Use #34 then on whichever you didn't take between WR/OT.

I'm saying 0% chance Odunze makes it to #11.


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Re: 2024 NFL Draft
« Reply #35 on: April 19, 2024, 08:39:03 PM »

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What are thoughts on this?

Pats trade #3 + 2025 3rd rounder to Minnesota for #11, #23 and 2025 1st

Pats select Michael Penix Jr. with #11, and then with #23 and #34 you use both picks on WR/OT, one for each spot? Depends who they love but maybe someone like Guyton or Mims at 23 (OT), and Worthy, Legette or BTJ at 34 (WR). Or AD Mitchell 23, and a tackle at 34 like Patrick Paul? 

Essentially you're first 3 picks in the Draft would be Penix, 1 WR, 1 OT. And you still have pick #68 to use on something too (early 3rd round).

Michael Penix Jr. will be there at #23.

I'm not so sure. McCarthy will likely go in the Top-6 somewhere, and then I could see some team deciding to take Penix between the 11-20 range. I wouldn't risk it.

But if you could still get him at #23, then that's great. Take a OT like Fashanu or Fuaga at 11 or WR Odunze, and Penix at 23. Use #34 then on whichever you didn't take between WR/OT.

I'm saying 0% chance Odunze makes it to #11.

It's unlikely, but I do think it's possible one non-MHJ receiver does drop a bit in the Draft. Might be Nabers? 4 of the Top-10 picks are likely QBs, then you have MHJ, Turner, Bowers, Alt in the mix being taken. I think it's possible 1 of them slips to around #11.
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Re: 2024 NFL Draft
« Reply #36 on: April 19, 2024, 08:43:09 PM »

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What are thoughts on this?

Pats trade #3 + 2025 3rd rounder to Minnesota for #11, #23 and 2025 1st

Pats select Michael Penix Jr. with #11, and then with #23 and #34 you use both picks on WR/OT, one for each spot? Depends who they love but maybe someone like Guyton or Mims at 23 (OT), and Worthy, Legette or BTJ at 34 (WR). Or AD Mitchell 23, and a tackle at 34 like Patrick Paul? 

Essentially you're first 3 picks in the Draft would be Penix, 1 WR, 1 OT. And you still have pick #68 to use on something too (early 3rd round).

Michael Penix Jr. will be there at #23.

I'm not so sure. McCarthy will likely go in the Top-6 somewhere, and then I could see some team deciding to take Penix between the 11-20 range. I wouldn't risk it.

But if you could still get him at #23, then that's great. Take a OT like Fashanu or Fuaga at 11 or WR Odunze, and Penix at 23. Use #34 then on whichever you didn't take between WR/OT.

I'm saying 0% chance Odunze makes it to #11.

It's unlikely, but I do think it's possible one non-MHJ receiver does drop a bit in the Draft. Might be Nabers? 4 of the Top-10 picks are likely QBs, then you have MHJ, Turner, Bowers, Alt in the mix being taken. I think it's possible 1 of them slips to around #11.

I just see so many teams in the top 10 that could use a receiver.  Cardinals, Chargers, Titans, Bears, Giants, Jets to name a few.

I know everybody is predicting that four QBs get picked in the top-10, but I wouldn't be shocked if one falls to Minnesota at number 11.  If I'm remembering correctly, neither Las Vegas, nor Denver has a second rounder this year, so I'm skeptical that they have the immunity to move up ahead of Minnesota.


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Re: 2024 NFL Draft
« Reply #37 on: April 19, 2024, 08:46:11 PM »

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What are thoughts on this?

Pats trade #3 + 2025 3rd rounder to Minnesota for #11, #23 and 2025 1st

Pats select Michael Penix Jr. with #11, and then with #23 and #34 you use both picks on WR/OT, one for each spot? Depends who they love but maybe someone like Guyton or Mims at 23 (OT), and Worthy, Legette or BTJ at 34 (WR). Or AD Mitchell 23, and a tackle at 34 like Patrick Paul? 

Essentially you're first 3 picks in the Draft would be Penix, 1 WR, 1 OT. And you still have pick #68 to use on something too (early 3rd round).

Michael Penix Jr. will be there at #23.

I'm not so sure. McCarthy will likely go in the Top-6 somewhere, and then I could see some team deciding to take Penix between the 11-20 range. I wouldn't risk it.

But if you could still get him at #23, then that's great. Take a OT like Fashanu or Fuaga at 11 or WR Odunze, and Penix at 23. Use #34 then on whichever you didn't take between WR/OT.

I'm saying 0% chance Odunze makes it to #11.

It's unlikely, but I do think it's possible one non-MHJ receiver does drop a bit in the Draft. Might be Nabers? 4 of the Top-10 picks are likely QBs, then you have MHJ, Turner, Bowers, Alt in the mix being taken. I think it's possible 1 of them slips to around #11.

I just see so many teams in the top 10 that could use a receiver.  Cardinals, Chargers, Titans, Bears, Jets to name a few.

Yeah originally I felt AZ would take MHJ, then NYG probably Nabers, and Odunze in the mix somewhere. It seems likely the Titans take OT which is probably wise for them. CHI might not *need* one per say especially after adding Keenan Allen.

I just wouldn't rule it out. I mean who the hell knows, I didn't think McCarthy had any shot of being a Top-10 pick a month ago and now it seems he's gonna go in the Top-6 guaranteed  :P
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Re: 2024 NFL Draft
« Reply #38 on: April 22, 2024, 03:45:54 PM »

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So who will be available at 3 for the Patriots?  Daniels or Maye?  Odds slightly favor Commanders taking Daniels at 2, but only slightly.  Plus Daniels' agent liked and retweeted Twitter criticism of Washington recently (hosting the top 4 QBs together).

I have a hunch Pats prefer Maye, given their OC tendencies.  Daniels seems more ready to contribute.

A lot of chatter about taking JJ McCarthy, but seems unlikely unless they trade down, which is very risky. 

My guess: We take Daniels (Commanders take Maye)
My hope:  We take Maye
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Re: 2024 NFL Draft
« Reply #39 on: April 22, 2024, 04:22:56 PM »

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So who will be available at 3 for the Patriots?  Daniels or Maye?  Odds slightly favor Commanders taking Daniels at 2, but only slightly.  Plus Daniels' agent liked and retweeted Twitter criticism of Washington recently (hosting the top 4 QBs together).

I have a hunch Pats prefer Maye, given their OC tendencies.  Daniels seems more ready to contribute.

A lot of chatter about taking JJ McCarthy, but seems unlikely unless they trade down, which is very risky. 

My guess: We take Daniels (Commanders take Maye)
My hope:  We take Maye

I’m not sure who the Pats will take, but I can say with confidence McCarthy won’t last past #6, so if that’s who the Pats want, trading down isn’t much of an option.  The Giants and Vikings both want JJ.  Either the Vikings will leap to 5 or earlier to get him, the Giants will stay at 6 if they don’t, or maybe even jump themselves to outpace the Vikings.

Re: 2024 NFL Draft
« Reply #40 on: April 22, 2024, 04:44:28 PM »

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So who will be available at 3 for the Patriots?  Daniels or Maye?  Odds slightly favor Commanders taking Daniels at 2, but only slightly.  Plus Daniels' agent liked and retweeted Twitter criticism of Washington recently (hosting the top 4 QBs together).

I have a hunch Pats prefer Maye, given their OC tendencies.  Daniels seems more ready to contribute.

A lot of chatter about taking JJ McCarthy, but seems unlikely unless they trade down, which is very risky. 

My guess: We take Daniels (Commanders take Maye)
My hope:  We take Maye

I’m not sure who the Pats will take, but I can say with confidence McCarthy won’t last past #6, so if that’s who the Pats want, trading down isn’t much of an option.  The Giants and Vikings both want JJ.  Either the Vikings will leap to 5 or earlier to get him, the Giants will stay at 6 if they don’t, or maybe even jump themselves to outpace the Vikings.

I even saw a mock today that had MIN trading into 4 with AZ & taking McCarthy. Then AZ trades back up to 9 with ATL and still gets their WR in Odunze.

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Re: 2024 NFL Draft
« Reply #41 on: April 22, 2024, 05:03:11 PM »

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So who will be available at 3 for the Patriots?  Daniels or Maye?  Odds slightly favor Commanders taking Daniels at 2, but only slightly.  Plus Daniels' agent liked and retweeted Twitter criticism of Washington recently (hosting the top 4 QBs together).

I have a hunch Pats prefer Maye, given their OC tendencies.  Daniels seems more ready to contribute.

A lot of chatter about taking JJ McCarthy, but seems unlikely unless they trade down, which is very risky. 

My guess: We take Daniels (Commanders take Maye)
My hope:  We take Maye

I’m not sure who the Pats will take, but I can say with confidence McCarthy won’t last past #6, so if that’s who the Pats want, trading down isn’t much of an option.  The Giants and Vikings both want JJ.  Either the Vikings will leap to 5 or earlier to get him, the Giants will stay at 6 if they don’t, or maybe even jump themselves to outpace the Vikings.

Thought Vikings top target was Maye, given connection wtih his HS coach, etc., but would settle for McCarthy assuming Maye not available.  In any event they most certainly are going to get a QB with loss of Cousins. 

Re: 2024 NFL Draft
« Reply #42 on: April 22, 2024, 05:32:18 PM »

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So who will be available at 3 for the Patriots?  Daniels or Maye?  Odds slightly favor Commanders taking Daniels at 2, but only slightly.  Plus Daniels' agent liked and retweeted Twitter criticism of Washington recently (hosting the top 4 QBs together).

I have a hunch Pats prefer Maye, given their OC tendencies.  Daniels seems more ready to contribute.

A lot of chatter about taking JJ McCarthy, but seems unlikely unless they trade down, which is very risky. 

My guess: We take Daniels (Commanders take Maye)
My hope:  We take Maye

I’m not sure who the Pats will take, but I can say with confidence McCarthy won’t last past #6, so if that’s who the Pats want, trading down isn’t much of an option.  The Giants and Vikings both want JJ.  Either the Vikings will leap to 5 or earlier to get him, the Giants will stay at 6 if they don’t, or maybe even jump themselves to outpace the Vikings.

Thought Vikings top target was Maye, given connection wtih his HS coach, etc., but would settle for McCarthy assuming Maye not available.  In any event they most certainly are going to get a QB with loss of Cousins.

I was kind of operating on the assumption that Maye was off the board at #2 in your scenario, which was why the Pats might trade down and try to get McCarthy if Maye were off the board.  That said, I think JJ is the 2nd or 3rd QB on a number of draft boards.

Re: 2024 NFL Draft
« Reply #43 on: April 22, 2024, 07:35:21 PM »

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3 days away until it's all finally over.

I will say, the 10 minutes between Pick #2 and Pick #3 will be absolutely bonkers. Once we know who is taken at #2 (or if any trades actually happen) then it'll really set up what happens next and set a ton of buzz. Like what if Maye ends up going #2. Does NE take Daniels or trade down? Stuff like that.

I think the team likes McCarthy BUT ultimately NE will probably just take Maye or Daniels at #3. Maybe they trade down but only if it's some godly offer. Sorry but I don't count #11, #23 and 2025 1st from Minnesota as that, you need some more. Look at what the Panthers traded to get Bryce Young a year ago, or the Niners to go up and take Lance. It's hard to project but I doubt MIN is gonna bottom out next year, so it's probably #11 and then two picks in the 20-30 range. Need way more.
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Re: 2024 NFL Draft
« Reply #44 on: April 22, 2024, 11:19:08 PM »

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With the 3rd pick of the 2024 NFL Draft, the New England Patriots select Drake Maye from North Carolina!


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