Author Topic: What makes for a great owner? Is Wyc it?  (Read 1174 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

What makes for a great owner? Is Wyc it?
« on: June 01, 2023, 08:51:30 AM »

Online Roy H.

  • Forums Manager
  • James Naismith
  • *********************************
  • Posts: 58793
  • Tommy Points: -25628
  • Bo Knows: Joe Don't Know Diddley
I read this excerpt online:

Quote
[Stan] Kroenke has accumulated the most valuable portfolio of assets across team sports, and his clubs are on an unprecedented hot streak. In February 2022, the Los Angeles Rams won Super Bowl LVI; four months later, the Colorado Avalanche captured the Stanley Cup. Top that off with a title won by the National Lacrosse League’s Colorado Mammoth last spring, and Arsenal’s runner-up finish in the just completed English Premier League season, and it’s already been quite a run.

Now, Kroenke’s Denver Nuggets are one series away from adding his third different big four sports league championship in 16 months. Denver will face the Miami Heat in the NBA Finals, which tip off Thursday, and the Nuggets are -400 favorites to win the franchise’s first league title, according to BetMGM.

It made me wonder, what makes a great owner?  Does Kroenke have something Wyc doesn't?


I'M THE SILVERBACK GORILLA IN THIS MOTHER——— AND DON'T NONE OF YA'LL EVER FORGET IT!@ 34 minutes

Re: What makes for a great owner? Is Wyc it?
« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2023, 09:24:47 AM »

Offline Kernewek

  • Ray Allen
  • ***
  • Posts: 3841
  • Tommy Points: 264
  • International Superstar
As far as Arsenal's concerned, Kroenke isn't considered a great owner, and for a long time was considered to be an actively bad one.

From 2018 or so there was more praise for his son Josh, but since the Super League debacle he's spurned most of that good will as well. The feeling is that the club is just an asset for KSE, rather than something they really care about.

He does seem to be a very good owner in the sense that he's very hands off when it comes to how the team is run, which is important for the success of the management (let's watch the Warriors implode over the next two years under Lacob's failsons for an example of how not to do it).
Man had always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins because he had achieved so much—the wheel, New York, wars and so on—whilst all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good time.

But conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were far more intelligent than man—for precisely the same reasons.

Re: What makes for a great owner? Is Wyc it?
« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2023, 11:05:34 AM »

Offline smokeablount

  • Ray Allen
  • ***
  • Posts: 3104
  • Tommy Points: 628
  • Mark Blount often got smoked
As far as Arsenal's concerned, Kroenke isn't considered a great owner, and for a long time was considered to be an actively bad one.

From 2018 or so there was more praise for his son Josh, but since the Super League debacle he's spurned most of that good will as well. The feeling is that the club is just an asset for KSE, rather than something they really care about.

He does seem to be a very good owner in the sense that he's very hands off when it comes to how the team is run, which is important for the success of the management (let's watch the Warriors implode over the next two years under Lacob's failsons for an example of how not to do it).

The Warriors won 4 championships in 8 years. We won 1 in 35 years. It’d be nice if Wyc could show us “how not to do it” the way Lacob has.
2023 Non-Active / Non-NBA75 Fantasy Draft, ChiBulls:

PG: Deron Williams 07-08 / M.R. Richardson 80-81 / J. Wall 16-17
SG: David Thompson 77-78 / Hersey Hawkins 96-97
SF: Tracy McGrady 02-03 / Tayshaun Prince 06-07
PF: Larry Nance Sr 91-92 / Blake Griffin 13-14
C: Bob Lanier 76-77 / Brad Daugherty 92-93 / M. Camby 06-07

Re: What makes for a great owner? Is Wyc it?
« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2023, 11:37:00 AM »

Offline Kernewek

  • Ray Allen
  • ***
  • Posts: 3841
  • Tommy Points: 264
  • International Superstar
As far as Arsenal's concerned, Kroenke isn't considered a great owner, and for a long time was considered to be an actively bad one.

From 2018 or so there was more praise for his son Josh, but since the Super League debacle he's spurned most of that good will as well. The feeling is that the club is just an asset for KSE, rather than something they really care about.

He does seem to be a very good owner in the sense that he's very hands off when it comes to how the team is run, which is important for the success of the management (let's watch the Warriors implode over the next two years under Lacob's failsons for an example of how not to do it).

The Warriors won 4 championships in 8 years. We won 1 in 35 years. It’d be nice if Wyc could show us “how not to do it” the way Lacob has.
Ha! Funnily enough Lacob was a part owner for the Celtics from 2006-2010, when he bought the Warriors.

My point really, though, is that the Warriors' success stems from three people: Steph Curry, Bob Myers, and Steve Kerr. Myers is no longer the GM; the odds are Kerr is also going to wander off after his deal ends this year; Draymond and Klay are looking old; and Joe "I'm the real architect of all this success" is going to be holding the bag along with his sons.

The best owners in sports, across all sports, are always the guys that have the budget to hire good people and let them get on with it. Lacob spent with abandon when he had to - but now he's not only not doing that, he's meddling more. This bodes poorly for Golden State's next few seasons.
Man had always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins because he had achieved so much—the wheel, New York, wars and so on—whilst all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good time.

But conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were far more intelligent than man—for precisely the same reasons.

Re: What makes for a great owner? Is Wyc it?
« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2023, 03:04:58 PM »

Offline Boston Garden Leprechaun

  • Dennis Johnson
  • ******************
  • Posts: 18543
  • Tommy Points: 1557
if brad and joe return WYC is hot garbage.

LET'S GO CELTICS!

Re: What makes for a great owner? Is Wyc it?
« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2023, 04:07:41 PM »

Offline Goldstar88

  • Danny Ainge
  • **********
  • Posts: 10845
  • Tommy Points: 1435
I don’t like Wyc. He seems like a fraud.
Quoting Nick from the now locked Ime thread:
Quote
At some point you have to blame the performance on the court on the players on the court. Every loss is not the coach's fault and every win isn't because of the players.

Re: What makes for a great owner? Is Wyc it?
« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2023, 05:17:34 PM »

Offline GreenBoomer

  • Payton Pritchard
  • Posts: 113
  • Tommy Points: 7
No. He is not it, at least at this point IMO. If he would have gone all in, we could have easily had back-to-back championships right now.

Re: What makes for a great owner? Is Wyc it?
« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2023, 05:17:51 PM »

Offline gouki88

  • NCE
  • Red Auerbach
  • *******************************
  • Posts: 31552
  • Tommy Points: 3141
  • 2019 & 2021 CS Historical Draft Champion
I don't think he's a great owner. He seems to be unwilling to spend money as needed, whilst constantly upping the cost of supporting the team. So his treasure pile grows, whilst the team is handicapped.
'23 Historical Draft: Orlando Magic.

PG: Terry Porter (90-91) / Steve Francis (00-01)
SG: Joe Dumars (92-93) / Jeff Hornacek (91-92) / Jerry Stackhouse (00-01)
SF: Brandon Roy (08-09) / Walter Davis (78-79)
PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
C: Chris Webber (00-01) / Ralph Sampson (83-84) / Andrew Bogut (09-10)

Re: What makes for a great owner? Is Wyc it?
« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2023, 07:37:06 PM »

Offline Who

  • James Naismith
  • *********************************
  • Posts: 47554
  • Tommy Points: 2404
I always thought Kroenke was a huge liability for the Denver Nuggets. He just lucked into Jokic in a mid 2nd round pick and that changed everything. MVP talent have a habit of doing that. Prior to that Denver was rife with mismanagement and cheapness from the owner.

I also thought Kroenke was terrible for Arsenal football club. This is the first year that has been positive in terms of his ownership. Every other year has been a let down under him. Again, there was a lack of financial injection when it was needed in the past. We'll see what happens moving forward. It does appear he has hired good people there and let them get on with it. So he's less in the way than he has been in the past.

No idea about his other 2 teams.

Re: What makes for a great owner? Is Wyc it?
« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2023, 08:32:00 PM »

Online Moranis

  • James Naismith
  • *********************************
  • Posts: 33651
  • Tommy Points: 1549
I don't think Kroenke is a good owner, but he isn't a bad one. 
2023 Historical Draft - Brooklyn Nets - 9th pick

Bigs - Pau, Amar'e, Issel, McGinnis, Roundfield
Wings - Dantley, Bowen, J. Jackson
Guards - Cheeks, Petrovic, Buse, Rip