Memo to Brad…(High Importance)

[Goldstar88]

Denver this postseason:
3pt shots attempted per game: 31.1
#13 out of the 16 playoff teams

Miami this postseason:
3pt shots attempted per game: 33.6
#10 out of the 16 playoff teams

These are the two teams in the Finals. Brad, your philosophy doesn’t work. End of memo.

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

Denver this postseason:
3pt shots attempted per game: 31.1
#13 out of the 16 playoff teams

Miami this postseason:
3pt shots attempted per game: 33.6
#10 out of the 16 playoff teams

These are the two teams in the Finals. Brad, your philosophy doesn’t work. End of memo.

fire joe now

"This team’s nucleus is no longer approaching its championship window. They’re in it. The 2022-23 season will go down as a season that they could have won a championship and didn’t. They were experienced enough and talented enough. They needed Mazzulla to put the pieces together. But the rookie coach was overmatched in these playoffs, especially by Erik Spoelstra and the Heat."

Keeping him for another season risks a similarly disappointing finish in 2023-24.

https://www.masslive.com/celtics/2023/05/the-celtics-reaching-game-7-shouldnt-save-joe-mazzullas-job-vautour.html?mibextid=Zxz2cZ

[jpotter33]

Goldy continuing to push the non-sensical Brad three point narrative huh? Lol

In Brad’s 8 years of coaching here, here was the rank of threes attempted per game each year:

18, 13, 9, 3, 9, 7, 12, 10 - for an average ranking of 10th in threes attempted per game.

Last year, Ime’s team was 9th in the league.

This year, Joe has us at 2nd in the league in threes attempted per game. But, yes, please keep pushing this narrative that Brad is the mastermind behind this year’s extreme over-reliance on the three pointer. It’s clearly our inexperienced, dogmatic joke of a coach, Second Row Joe, who is pushing this non-sensical philosophy, not Brad.

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

Goldy continuing to push the non-sensical Brad three point narrative huh? Lol

In Brad’s 8 years of coaching here, here was the rank of threes attempted per game each year:

18, 13, 9, 3, 9, 7, 12, 10 - for an average ranking of 10th in threes attempted per game.

Last year, Ime’s team was 9th in the league.

This year, Joe has us at 2nd in the league in threes attempted per game. But, yes, please keep pushing this narrative that Brad is the mastermind behind this year’s extreme over-reliance on the three pointer. It’s clearly our inexperienced, dogmatic joke of a coach, Second Row Joe, who is pushing this non-sensical philosophy, not Brad.

thanks for that context harry. so it really is joe. yeah joe has to go. now.

[Roy H.]

Why is it Brad's system?

2020:  14th in 3PA per possession
2021:  9th in 3PA per possession
2022:  8th in 3PA per possession
2023:  1st in 3PA per possession

I think most years under Brad we've been just inside the top-10. Ime kept to that; Joe took it to the extreme.

But I agree:  unless you have the Warriors personnel, find balance.

[GreenBoomer]

Brad sat there and watched, and did nothing.

[Goldstar88]

Goldy continuing to push the non-sensical Brad three point narrative huh? Lol

In Brad’s 8 years of coaching here, here was the rank of threes attempted per game each year:

18, 13, 9, 3, 9, 7, 12, 10 - for an average ranking of 10th in threes attempted per game.

Last year, Ime’s team was 9th in the league.

This year, Joe has us at 2nd in the league in threes attempted per game. But, yes, please keep pushing this narrative that Brad is the mastermind behind this year’s extreme over-reliance on the three pointer. It’s clearly our inexperienced, dogmatic joke of a coach, Second Row Joe, who is pushing this non-sensical philosophy, not Brad.

I underlined it for you. Hope that helps. Video at the bottom, too. Might be easier. Again, this is how Brad wants the team to play. He constructed the roster to shoot 3’s. Look at all the players he brought in during the off-season and at the deadline. All are very good shooters from deep. You might not know this, but Joe actually reports to Brad, not the other way around. So if Brad Stevens (and Wyc) felt like shooting all these 3’s was a bad idea, they wouldn’t be doing it. 

In 10 years, however, the NBA could look completely different, at least according to Boston Celtics coach Brad Stevens.

Stevens, who runs a forward-thinking, modern-style Celtics team, appeared on Monday's episode of "The Ringer NBA Show" with Bill Simmons and was asked what the league may look like down the road. Stevens said he thought the NBA was dictated by its best players and their skills, meaning teams must adjust to their toughest competition.

"I think the game will always be dependent on the players that are at its most elite level at that time," Stevens said. He continued:

"If you have an era where you have a [Wilt] Chamberlain and [Bill] Russell and people like that, then everybody's going to have to scheme or find people to account for those guys. And when you have this current focus on skill and spacing and speed and everything else, it's gonna take a pretty special group of players to change the way the game is played."

Stevens did say he found that speed wins over the course of a game and that the math behind taking more 3-pointers is difficult to dispute.

But as he and Simmons discussed, the league is at a point where there are so many skilled ball-handlers and shooters that teams frequently must adjust to this style to keep up. Unlike the '90s, when the league was dominated by big men like Hakeem Olajuwon, Patrick Ewing, and Shaquille O'Neal, teams now must employ players who can spread the floor, handle the ball, and defend multiple positions.

"Inevitably, everybody will be forced to play a little bit differently if multiple great low-post players are back in the game," Stevens said before noting that many kids don't grow up learning to play in the post much anymore.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kVW9aDwxjyk&pp=ygUmQnJhZCBzdGV2ZW5zIGludGVydmlldyBvbiAzcHQgc2hvb3Rpbmc%3D

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

Goldy continuing to push the non-sensical Brad three point narrative huh? Lol

In Brad’s 8 years of coaching here, here was the rank of threes attempted per game each year:

18, 13, 9, 3, 9, 7, 12, 10 - for an average ranking of 10th in threes attempted per game.

Last year, Ime’s team was 9th in the league.

This year, Joe has us at 2nd in the league in threes attempted per game. But, yes, please keep pushing this narrative that Brad is the mastermind behind this year’s extreme over-reliance on the three pointer. It’s clearly our inexperienced, dogmatic joke of a coach, Second Row Joe, who is pushing this non-sensical philosophy, not Brad.

I underlined it for you. Hope that helps. Video at the bottom, too. Might be easier.

In 10 years, however, the NBA could look completely different, at least according to Boston Celtics coach Brad Stevens.

Stevens, who runs a forward-thinking, modern-style Celtics team, appeared on Monday's episode of "The Ringer NBA Show" with Bill Simmons and was asked what the league may look like down the road. Stevens said he thought the NBA was dictated by its best players and their skills, meaning teams must adjust to their toughest competition.

"I think the game will always be dependent on the players that are at its most elite level at that time," Stevens said. He continued:

"If you have an era where you have a [Wilt] Chamberlain and [Bill] Russell and people like that, then everybody's going to have to scheme or find people to account for those guys. And when you have this current focus on skill and spacing and speed and everything else, it's gonna take a pretty special group of players to change the way the game is played."

Stevens did say he found that speed wins over the course of a game and that the math behind taking more 3-pointers is difficult to dispute.

But as he and Simmons discussed, the league is at a point where there are so many skilled ball-handlers and shooters that teams frequently must adjust to this style to keep up. Unlike the '90s, when the league was dominated by big men like Hakeem Olajuwon, Patrick Ewing, and Shaquille O'Neal, teams now must employ players who can spread the floor, handle the ball, and defend multiple positions.

"Inevitably, everybody will be forced to play a little bit differently if multiple great low-post players are back in the game," Stevens said before noting that many kids don't grow up learning to play in the post much anymore.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kVW9aDwxjyk&pp=ygUmQnJhZCBzdGV2ZW5zIGludGVydmlldyBvbiAzcHQgc2hvb3Rpbmc%3D

"Inevitably, everybody will be forced to play a little bit differently if multiple great low-post players are back in the game," Stevens said before noting that many kids don't grow up learning to play in the post much anymore.


exactly what i have been saying. all these weak teams down low now. these kids need to get back to playing low post. if u can shoot a three also hey great. but learn the low post. many would feast now.

[Kernewek]

Goldy continuing to push the non-sensical Brad three point narrative huh? Lol

In Brad’s 8 years of coaching here, here was the rank of threes attempted per game each year:

18, 13, 9, 3, 9, 7, 12, 10 - for an average ranking of 10th in threes attempted per game.

Last year, Ime’s team was 9th in the league.

This year, Joe has us at 2nd in the league in threes attempted per game. But, yes, please keep pushing this narrative that Brad is the mastermind behind this year’s extreme over-reliance on the three pointer. It’s clearly our inexperienced, dogmatic joke of a coach, Second Row Joe, who is pushing this non-sensical philosophy, not Brad.

I underlined it for you. Hope that helps. Video at the bottom, too. Might be easier.

In 10 years, however, the NBA could look completely different, at least according to Boston Celtics coach Brad Stevens.

Stevens, who runs a forward-thinking, modern-style Celtics team, appeared on Monday's episode of "The Ringer NBA Show" with Bill Simmons and was asked what the league may look like down the road. Stevens said he thought the NBA was dictated by its best players and their skills, meaning teams must adjust to their toughest competition.

"I think the game will always be dependent on the players that are at its most elite level at that time," Stevens said. He continued:

"If you have an era where you have a [Wilt] Chamberlain and [Bill] Russell and people like that, then everybody's going to have to scheme or find people to account for those guys. And when you have this current focus on skill and spacing and speed and everything else, it's gonna take a pretty special group of players to change the way the game is played."

Stevens did say he found that speed wins over the course of a game and that the math behind taking more 3-pointers is difficult to dispute.

But as he and Simmons discussed, the league is at a point where there are so many skilled ball-handlers and shooters that teams frequently must adjust to this style to keep up. Unlike the '90s, when the league was dominated by big men like Hakeem Olajuwon, Patrick Ewing, and Shaquille O'Neal, teams now must employ players who can spread the floor, handle the ball, and defend multiple positions.

"Inevitably, everybody will be forced to play a little bit differently if multiple great low-post players are back in the game," Stevens said before noting that many kids don't grow up learning to play in the post much anymore.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kVW9aDwxjyk&pp=ygUmQnJhZCBzdGV2ZW5zIGludGVydmlldyBvbiAzcHQgc2hvb3Rpbmc%3D

"Inevitably, everybody will be forced to play a little bit differently if multiple great low-post players are back in the game," Stevens said before noting that many kids don't grow up learning to play in the post much anymore.


exactly what i have been saying. all these weak teams down low now. these kids need to get back to playing low post. if u can shoot a three also hey great. but learn the low post. many would feast now.

You’re not wrong, but I think you might need to key into the rest of what Stevens is saying and think about what that means for prospective NBA players.

You need to have the relevant skills for the job you want, right? Imagine being an 18 year old kid - which means you were born in the second Bush administration - who has the skills and the talent to be an NBA player as a Forward or Center.

Not only do you not even remember the last great post player in the NBA, you’ve never watched an NBA game that emphasised the low post.you’ve never needed to develop much of a low post game because you’ve always been bigger and stronger than everyone else anyway, and the rules of the game as you’ve played it have never favoured low post scoring against running the pick and roll.

Your coach is never going to ask you to do it. Your teammates won’t ask you to do it. Your general manager is never going to give you more kudos if that is your one NBA-level skill, and so on.

[DocomoCelts]

Brad rolled the dice with Joe and it was a fail. Hope he has the cajones to do something about it.

[cman88]

Celtics need a coach that I still am actual offense.

Celtics run no offense preach no movement. Joe basically just preaches put up 40 3's every game. But quality of 3's matter.

Watch the warriors they shoot a lot of 3's but curry is moving off picks. Klay is running around. The Celtics just stand around the perimeter dribble for 15 seconds and jack up a shot.

It's so easy for other teams to defend. Watch Denver play, watch Miami play. They play like teams with an actual offense.

I think the team has A LOT of talent but this philosophy of shoot a ton of 3's just isn't working. The warriors ruined the NBA. But people need to realize not everyone is Steph curry and Klay.

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

Goldy continuing to push the non-sensical Brad three point narrative huh? Lol

In Brad’s 8 years of coaching here, here was the rank of threes attempted per game each year:

18, 13, 9, 3, 9, 7, 12, 10 - for an average ranking of 10th in threes attempted per game.

Last year, Ime’s team was 9th in the league.

This year, Joe has us at 2nd in the league in threes attempted per game. But, yes, please keep pushing this narrative that Brad is the mastermind behind this year’s extreme over-reliance on the three pointer. It’s clearly our inexperienced, dogmatic joke of a coach, Second Row Joe, who is pushing this non-sensical philosophy, not Brad.

I underlined it for you. Hope that helps. Video at the bottom, too. Might be easier.

In 10 years, however, the NBA could look completely different, at least according to Boston Celtics coach Brad Stevens.

Stevens, who runs a forward-thinking, modern-style Celtics team, appeared on Monday's episode of "The Ringer NBA Show" with Bill Simmons and was asked what the league may look like down the road. Stevens said he thought the NBA was dictated by its best players and their skills, meaning teams must adjust to their toughest competition.

"I think the game will always be dependent on the players that are at its most elite level at that time," Stevens said. He continued:

"If you have an era where you have a [Wilt] Chamberlain and [Bill] Russell and people like that, then everybody's going to have to scheme or find people to account for those guys. And when you have this current focus on skill and spacing and speed and everything else, it's gonna take a pretty special group of players to change the way the game is played."

Stevens did say he found that speed wins over the course of a game and that the math behind taking more 3-pointers is difficult to dispute.

But as he and Simmons discussed, the league is at a point where there are so many skilled ball-handlers and shooters that teams frequently must adjust to this style to keep up. Unlike the '90s, when the league was dominated by big men like Hakeem Olajuwon, Patrick Ewing, and Shaquille O'Neal, teams now must employ players who can spread the floor, handle the ball, and defend multiple positions.

"Inevitably, everybody will be forced to play a little bit differently if multiple great low-post players are back in the game," Stevens said before noting that many kids don't grow up learning to play in the post much anymore.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kVW9aDwxjyk&pp=ygUmQnJhZCBzdGV2ZW5zIGludGVydmlldyBvbiAzcHQgc2hvb3Rpbmc%3D

"Inevitably, everybody will be forced to play a little bit differently if multiple great low-post players are back in the game," Stevens said before noting that many kids don't grow up learning to play in the post much anymore.


exactly what i have been saying. all these weak teams down low now. these kids need to get back to playing low post. if u can shoot a three also hey great. but learn the low post. many would feast now.

You’re not wrong, but I think you might need to key into the rest of what Stevens is saying and think about what that means for prospective NBA players.

You need to have the relevant skills for the job you want, right? Imagine being an 18 year old kid - which means you were born in the second Bush administration - who has the skills and the talent to be an NBA player as a Forward or Center.

Not only do you not even remember the last great post player in the NBA, you’ve never watched an NBA game that emphasised the low post.you’ve never needed to develop much of a low post game because you’ve always been bigger and stronger than everyone else anyway, and the rules of the game as you’ve played it have never favoured low post scoring against running the pick and roll.

Your coach is never going to ask you to do it. Your teammates won’t ask you to do it. Your general manager is never going to give you more kudos if that is your one NBA-level skill, and so on.

i get your points. we will need coaches to go back to installing it then. youa re right monody will ever see it again unless coaches install it. we know about it and saw it in our days. 

[jpotter33]

Goldy continuing to push the non-sensical Brad three point narrative huh? Lol

In Brad’s 8 years of coaching here, here was the rank of threes attempted per game each year:

18, 13, 9, 3, 9, 7, 12, 10 - for an average ranking of 10th in threes attempted per game.

Last year, Ime’s team was 9th in the league.

This year, Joe has us at 2nd in the league in threes attempted per game. But, yes, please keep pushing this narrative that Brad is the mastermind behind this year’s extreme over-reliance on the three pointer. It’s clearly our inexperienced, dogmatic joke of a coach, Second Row Joe, who is pushing this non-sensical philosophy, not Brad.

I underlined it for you. Hope that helps. Video at the bottom, too. Might be easier. Again, this is how Brad wants the team to play. He constructed the roster to shoot 3’s. Look at all the players he brought in during the off-season and at the deadline. All are very good shooters from deep. You might not know this, but Joe actually reports to Brad, not the other way around. So if Brad Stevens (and Wyc) felt like shooting all these 3’s was a bad idea, they wouldn’t be doing it. 

In 10 years, however, the NBA could look completely different, at least according to Boston Celtics coach Brad Stevens.

Stevens, who runs a forward-thinking, modern-style Celtics team, appeared on Monday's episode of "The Ringer NBA Show" with Bill Simmons and was asked what the league may look like down the road. Stevens said he thought the NBA was dictated by its best players and their skills, meaning teams must adjust to their toughest competition.

"I think the game will always be dependent on the players that are at its most elite level at that time," Stevens said. He continued:

"If you have an era where you have a [Wilt] Chamberlain and [Bill] Russell and people like that, then everybody's going to have to scheme or find people to account for those guys. And when you have this current focus on skill and spacing and speed and everything else, it's gonna take a pretty special group of players to change the way the game is played."

Stevens did say he found that speed wins over the course of a game and that the math behind taking more 3-pointers is difficult to dispute.

But as he and Simmons discussed, the league is at a point where there are so many skilled ball-handlers and shooters that teams frequently must adjust to this style to keep up. Unlike the '90s, when the league was dominated by big men like Hakeem Olajuwon, Patrick Ewing, and Shaquille O'Neal, teams now must employ players who can spread the floor, handle the ball, and defend multiple positions.

"Inevitably, everybody will be forced to play a little bit differently if multiple great low-post players are back in the game," Stevens said before noting that many kids don't grow up learning to play in the post much anymore.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kVW9aDwxjyk&pp=ygUmQnJhZCBzdGV2ZW5zIGludGVydmlldyBvbiAzcHQgc2hvb3Rpbmc%3D

Bro, context is important. This is from nearly three years ago when he was still coaching, and he’s talking about his teams - not this current team. You know, the ones that did shoot a good number of threes, but were still on average around 10th best in attempts in the league. That is completely different than Joe taking it to a whole other level and threatening to lead the entire league this year.

Your entire argument suggests that all the evidence that we currently have from when Brad was coaching - 8 years’ worth - is worthless and we should look to just this one year where Brad isn’t even coach but is GM as evidence that this is all on Brad? And this even despite last year being different and more in line with his teams’ traditional three point attempts?

Occam’s Razor, Goldy. The much easier and clearer explanation is that while Brad generally does favor the three point shot - as evidenced by his average 10th rating in attempts in the league while coaching - Joe took it to another, unsustainable level this year, which the data supports..

Don’t be surprised that with a full coaching staff next year that the team’s attempts will significantly go down when we have more competent and experienced coaches able to rein Second Row Joe in from his dogmatic ways.

[mr. dee]

Fundamentals over analytics any day. I'd take a non-flashy simple plays over flashy but one-dimensional offense we have right now.

If 3s aint falling, get closer to the rim. It's why having mid range jumpers are so important for star players, especially in the playoffs. Also repositioning for open 3s takes more time than just standing around inside the arc and shooting it quickly, I noticed none of our role players dared to shoot wide open mid range shots.