Brown Needs To Go

[keevsnick]

Who is the playoff league leader in turnovers?

Jaylen Brown!

66 turnovers in 20 games.

Hahaha, follow up:

(1) Jaylen Brown = 66 turnovers
(2) Jayson Tatum = 56 turnovers

Our two Jays leading all players in the playoffs in turnovers

(5) Marcus Smart = 45 turnovers

A 3rd player in the top five! Celtics owning this category.

Nikola Jokic and Bam Adebayo were 3rd and 4th with 53 and 50 turnovers respectively. The next DEN and MIA players to show up on the list are Jimmy at #9 and J Murray at #14. Again, we have 3 players in the top 5. Philly's duo of Embiid and Harden were #10 and #11. LeBron #7 and AD #12. Durant #8 and Booker #15. Again, our two stars were #1 and #2.

Lowry and D Russell were #16 and #17 to make a trio. Our 3rd guy was Smart at #5.

3 guys in the top 5 in turnovers!

Well its almost like playing a lot of games leads to a lot of turnovers.

Jaylen and Jayson are 15th and 23rd in TO's per game in playoffs.

[hpantazo]

Brown needs to spend the whole summer working on going to his left. That's his kryptonite, the league knows it, and Butler killed him last night every time Brown tried to go left.

[Phantom255x]

Windhorst, Shams, and countless others are basically saying they’ll keep Jaylen and sign him with the Supermax

I can understand the reasoning. Other teams may view Jaylen as just a rental UNLESS he actually commits + signs an extension with them on the spot. But if he doesn’t, why would a team give up multiple premium assets for a flight risk? It’s not that simple.

We may be better off keeping him, and if it doesn’t work out in a year or two you can still trade him.

[Who]

Who is the playoff league leader in turnovers?

Jaylen Brown!

66 turnovers in 20 games.

Hahaha, follow up:

(1) Jaylen Brown = 66 turnovers
(2) Jayson Tatum = 56 turnovers

Our two Jays leading all players in the playoffs in turnovers

(5) Marcus Smart = 45 turnovers

A 3rd player in the top five! Celtics owning this category.

Nikola Jokic and Bam Adebayo were 3rd and 4th with 53 and 50 turnovers respectively. The next DEN and MIA players to show up on the list are Jimmy at #9 and J Murray at #14. Again, we have 3 players in the top 5. Philly's duo of Embiid and Harden were #10 and #11. LeBron #7 and AD #12. Durant #8 and Booker #15. Again, our two stars were #1 and #2.

Lowry and D Russell were #16 and #17 to make a trio. Our 3rd guy was Smart at #5.

3 guys in the top 5 in turnovers!

Well its almost like playing a lot of games leads to a lot of turnovers.

Jaylen and Jayson are 15th and 23rd in TO's per game in playoffs.

If we only look at players who moved out of the first round (smaller sample sizes), Jaylen ranks 5th and Tatum 10th.

If we look only at players in the conference finals, Jaylen ranks 2nd behind Jokic and Tatum 4th behind Bam. Smart would rank 6th behind LeBron.

Smart looks out of place on this list. At 2.3 turnovers per game, he is just ahead of J Murray at 2.2 but Murray does far more work for his team offensively. Murray takes 21 FGAs and hands out 6apg. Smart takes 11 FGA and hands out 5apg. Likewise, Jimmy at 2.1tpg but he takes 20 FGA and hands out 6apg. Jimmy is 2nd in turnovers for MIA compared to Smart in 3rd for Boston with more turnovers than Jimmy.

[lbgreen33]

Oh my goodness! This all seems so crazy to me!! It is sad that most people don't appreciate what they have when they have it!! STOP, the JB bashing! He had a horrible game 7, no doubt. So what! We were one of the FINAL 3 TEAMS still alive in the Playoffs! If what everyone is saying about JB is true, then that wouldn't be possible.
People don't like to lose, but guess what!! 27 other teams where watching on TV!! So please just stop!
We will re-sign JB and we should. JB and JT Took us this far almost every year they have played together!
What other current duo has done that? So just give it a rest, we all have warts, just look in the mirror. I know I do, but we are truley blessed to have the Celtics, we always got a Long season thanks to them.

[terra haute]

Brown needs to spend the whole summer working on going to his left. That's his kryptonite, the league knows it, and Butler killed him last night every time Brown tried to go left.

he should be made to take a basketball with him 24/7 and dribble it wherever he goes whatever he is doing

[lbgreen33]

Brown needs to spend the whole summer working on going to his left. That's his kryptonite, the league knows it, and Butler killed him last night every time Brown tried to go left.

he should be made to take a basketball with him 24/7 and dribble it wherever he goes whatever he is doing

Why? So maybe next year we can Make it to the EC Finals? You do know only 2 Teams get there right?

[blink]

Brown had a historically bad game 7, and was bad for some of the other games in the ECF.  But he wasn't bad the whole playoffs, he playing well in the 1st and 2nd rounds.  I personally don't think he needs to go, but I do know that him and Tatum both need to focus on ball security pretty much all summer.  JB has actually become a better passer in the last couple of years.  His turnovers in general don't really come from bad passes, they come from getting stripped, not taking care of the ball, and making bad decisions to drive into traffic.  Pretty much the same issues that Tatum has, just a little bit less.

So if Jaylen would have had a better game 7, only 2 turnovers, score 25 points I don't think you would hear the avalanche of 'brown needs to go crap'.  That is why I think a lot of it is over-reaction to one SUPER bad game, and a poor series in general.   If we would have lost game 7 to Philly, I don't see all of this even coming up.  I know we are all mad about losing game 7 and getting blown out at home.  'We want someone's HEAD!!!!, lets trade Jaylen!!!" 

But trading brown seems like an over-reaction that in a few weeks / months probably will seem like less of a good idea.

[SparzWizard]

Hey JB, is the energy shifting? Don't let us win in Game 8.

Wait a sec...

[gouki88]

Who is the playoff league leader in turnovers?

Jaylen Brown!

66 turnovers in 20 games.

Hahaha, follow up:

(1) Jaylen Brown = 66 turnovers
(2) Jayson Tatum = 56 turnovers

Our two Jays leading all players in the playoffs in turnovers

(5) Marcus Smart = 45 turnovers

A 3rd player in the top five! Celtics owning this category.

Nikola Jokic and Bam Adebayo were 3rd and 4th with 53 and 50 turnovers respectively. The next DEN and MIA players to show up on the list are Jimmy at #9 and J Murray at #14. Again, we have 3 players in the top 5. Philly's duo of Embiid and Harden were #10 and #11. LeBron #7 and AD #12. Durant #8 and Booker #15. Again, our two stars were #1 and #2.

Lowry and D Russell were #16 and #17 to make a trio. Our 3rd guy was Smart at #5.

3 guys in the top 5 in turnovers!

At least Tatum was 2nd in playoff assists, and Smart was 4th. Jokic was in 1st, 50 (!!) ahead of 2nd place Tatum.

Jaylen Brown was 15th in assists. Less than Austin Reaves, with almost 2.5x the amount of TOs. Draymond had 82 assists to 27 turnovers, Jamal Murray has 92:33 - the good non-primary offensive players seem to be able to generate a much better ratio. Even closer to 2:1 like Smart & Tatum would be good.

The FTAs issue you bring up is important too. Brown is terrible at this. Tatum drew almost twice as many shooting fouls. Smart drew almost the same amount as Brown. Just inexcusable

[Moranis]

Who is the playoff league leader in turnovers?

Jaylen Brown!

66 turnovers in 20 games.

Hahaha, follow up:

(1) Jaylen Brown = 66 turnovers
(2) Jayson Tatum = 56 turnovers

Our two Jays leading all players in the playoffs in turnovers

(5) Marcus Smart = 45 turnovers

A 3rd player in the top five! Celtics owning this category.

Nikola Jokic and Bam Adebayo were 3rd and 4th with 53 and 50 turnovers respectively. The next DEN and MIA players to show up on the list are Jimmy at #9 and J Murray at #14. Again, we have 3 players in the top 5. Philly's duo of Embiid and Harden were #10 and #11. LeBron #7 and AD #12. Durant #8 and Booker #15. Again, our two stars were #1 and #2.

Lowry and D Russell were #16 and #17 to make a trio. Our 3rd guy was Smart at #5.

3 guys in the top 5 in turnovers!

At least Tatum was 2nd in playoff assists, and Smart was 4th. Jokic was in 1st, 50 (!!) ahead of 2nd place Tatum.

Jaylen Brown was 15th in assists. Less than Austin Reaves, with almost 2.5x the amount of TOs. Draymond had 82 assists to 27 turnovers, Jamal Murray has 92:33 - the good non-primary offensive players seem to be able to generate a much better ratio. Even closer to 2:1 like Smart & Tatum would be good.

The FTAs issue you bring up is important too. Brown is terrible at this. Tatum drew almost twice as many shooting fouls. Smart drew almost the same amount as Brown. Just inexcusable

all reasons the team has mostly been better without Brown in the game basically since he became a starter. The numbers don't lie.

[cman88]

Celtics are likely to extend brown per the media and it just makes sense...

Is there any guarantee we even make the conference finals if we trade Brown for a bunch of mediocre guys? The team likely gets worse...

[gouki88]

Celtics are likely to extend brown per the media and it just makes sense...

Is there any guarantee we even make the conference finals if we trade Brown for a bunch of mediocre guys? The team likely gets worse...

Given nobody is proposing we trade Brown for a "bunch of mediocre guys", yes. As long as they can pass, not turn it over endlessly, stay attached on defence and make decent shots, then yeah.

[boscel33]

Who is the playoff league leader in turnovers?

Jaylen Brown!

66 turnovers in 20 games.

Hahaha, follow up:

(1) Jaylen Brown = 66 turnovers
(2) Jayson Tatum = 56 turnovers

Our two Jays leading all players in the playoffs in turnovers

(5) Marcus Smart = 45 turnovers

A 3rd player in the top five! Celtics owning this category.

Nikola Jokic and Bam Adebayo were 3rd and 4th with 53 and 50 turnovers respectively. The next DEN and MIA players to show up on the list are Jimmy at #9 and J Murray at #14. Again, we have 3 players in the top 5. Philly's duo of Embiid and Harden were #10 and #11. LeBron #7 and AD #12. Durant #8 and Booker #15. Again, our two stars were #1 and #2.

Lowry and D Russell were #16 and #17 to make a trio. Our 3rd guy was Smart at #5.

3 guys in the top 5 in turnovers!

They have the same disease that Paul Pierce had.  Double or triple team comes, and they think they can go through it rather than moving the ball.

In 2008, PP had 82 turnovers in the playoffs, 60 up until the ECF's.  In 2010 he had 64 turnovers, 46 into the ECF's. He averaged right at 3TOV a game in the playoffs whereas JB is just over 2 and JT is also right at 3.

These guys need to figure it out, pass the ball, someone is open!

[A Future of Stevens]

I'm in the keep Jaylen camp.

Playing the trade scenarios though, I am not sure there is a player who could be available that would be a worthwhile trade. Brown is coming off a 2nd team all NBA selection as a wing at 26 and he has gotten better every year he has been in the league. Historically those garner HUGE returns. Trading him for Siakam or a 32 year old small gunner in Dame or an aging undersized 2 guard in Beal just doesn't get my motor running.

If you trade someone of Browns pedigree and age profile, you have to get someone that guarantees you to be in that tier above. Or you are trading for a god tier prospect and assets that keep you relevant. You don't trade for smaller windows for players that COULD, MAYBE, POSSIBLY make you better for a year or two.