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Re: Fire Brad!
« Reply #45 on: May 30, 2023, 12:18:15 AM »

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I blame Brad for the live by the 3 die by the 3 style of play. He’s said on many occasions that this is how he thinks the game should be played and that the numbers support it. Stevens constructed the roster to play this way. Hopefully this is a wake up call. I don’t want to see it again next season.

Hilarious the lengths you go to to cover for your boy Joe.

Brad and Ime were both 3-pointer oriented, but Joe is the clear culprit that took it to the unjustifiable level. We were 2nd in the league in attempts this year, where we were 9th, 10th, 12th, 7th, and 9th the previous 5 years.

Blame your golden boy, Joe. He's the one that instituted this extreme kind of three point offense, not Brad or Ime.

Re: Fire Brad!
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CBS literally built one of the best and deepest rosters we’ve had in history. Made some great trades too

You can blame him for the coaching hire but it’s not his fault Ime messed up and put them in a bad position close to the season
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Re: Fire Brad!
« Reply #47 on: May 30, 2023, 12:26:47 AM »

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CBS literally built one of the best and deepest rosters we’ve had in history. Made some great trades too

You can blame him for the coaching hire but it’s not his fault Ime messed up and put them in a bad position close to the season

LOL and a bunch of nobodys beat us STRUS    VINCENT   MARTIN

wow just wow

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Re: Fire Brad!
« Reply #48 on: May 30, 2023, 12:36:55 AM »

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CBS literally built one of the best and deepest rosters we’ve had in history. Made some great trades too

You can blame him for the coaching hire but it’s not his fault Ime messed up and put them in a bad position close to the season

LOL and a bunch of nobodys beat us STRUS    VINCENT   MARTIN

wow just wow

Add Highsmith too like what the.

Our deepest roster was Malcolm Brogdon who became injured. Everyone else? Hauser, Muscala, Williams, Pritchard were unplayable or unbearable. No help for the front court.


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#JFJM (Just Fire Joe Mazzulla)

Re: Fire Brad!
« Reply #49 on: May 30, 2023, 12:37:02 AM »

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I blame Brad for the live by the 3 die by the 3 style of play. He’s said on many occasions that this is how he thinks the game should be played and that the numbers support it. Stevens constructed the roster to play this way. Hopefully this is a wake up call. I don’t want to see it again next season.

Hilarious the lengths you go to to cover for your boy Joe.

Brad and Ime were both 3-pointer oriented, but Joe is the clear culprit that took it to the unjustifiable level. We were 2nd in the league in attempts this year, where we were 9th, 10th, 12th, 7th, and 9th the previous 5 years.

Blame your golden boy, Joe. He's the one that instituted this extreme kind of three point offense, not Brad or Ime.

You really haven’t been paying attention much, have you. If you truly believe that Joe has free rein to do whatever he wants, you’re just delusional. He’s a 34 year old first time head coach.

Mazzulla credits Brad Stevens, who coached the Celtics from 2013-2021, for supporting him this season and being his “sounding board” per the Boston Globe.

“Just constant communication as far as where we think the team is, where we think we can go, what we can get better at, and what we’re doing well,” Mazzulla said. “He’s always done a good job as a coach of homing in on what we’re doing well and what we could do better. So for him to be on the outside and seeing it from a different perspective has helped me narrow in on what’s important on both ends. As a first-time head coach, to have a guy who’s coached in the NBA, has coached in a lot of big games, and has coached this team and has a great feel for what’s going on, it’s priceless.”

 
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At some point you have to blame the performance on the court on the players on the court. Every loss is not the coach's fault and every win isn't because of the players.

Re: Fire Brad!
« Reply #50 on: May 30, 2023, 12:40:35 AM »

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I blame Brad for the live by the 3 die by the 3 style of play. He’s said on many occasions that this is how he thinks the game should be played and that the numbers support it. Stevens constructed the roster to play this way. Hopefully this is a wake up call. I don’t want to see it again next season.

Hilarious the lengths you go to to cover for your boy Joe.

Brad and Ime were both 3-pointer oriented, but Joe is the clear culprit that took it to the unjustifiable level. We were 2nd in the league in attempts this year, where we were 9th, 10th, 12th, 7th, and 9th the previous 5 years.

Blame your golden boy, Joe. He's the one that instituted this extreme kind of three point offense, not Brad or Ime.

You really haven’t been paying attention much have you. If you truly believe that Joe has free rein to do whatever he wants, you’re just delusional. He’s a 34 year old first time head coach.

And yet he's the sole example in the past six years to have us nearly lead the league in three point attempts. Awful coincidence there, Goldy, especially since Joe has consistently and incessantly harped on the three point shooting all year long.

You're a fool if you think Brad is actively managing this. He's not. That's clearly not his style, and that's part of a prerequisite of a coach jumping into that position - not interfering in a coach's decisions like that. And if he is involved with this non-sense, then shame on him, too. But I highly doubt that if Brad was pulling the strings that he'd let Joe be as futile as he was all year long, including the playoffs.

The evidence is there for you, Goldy. Just need to take off your strange Joe apologism goggles to see it.

Re: Fire Brad!
« Reply #51 on: May 30, 2023, 01:18:36 AM »

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Joe wants to create his own brand of basketball, hence the air raid 3s, but he doesn’t have the personnel’s nor making the rotations to support his system.

The system itself is unsustainable without a strong defense. So, being a novice himself, he basically has nobody to blame but himself.

Remember, Joe actually  didn’t do a good job coaching game 6, it was White’s miracle shot that bailed him out.

So, out of this 7 game series he only coached “well” 2 out of 7 times. I just don’t think it should save his job.

Re: Fire Brad!
« Reply #52 on: May 30, 2023, 01:23:20 AM »

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I blame Brad for the live by the 3 die by the 3 style of play. He’s said on many occasions that this is how he thinks the game should be played and that the numbers support it. Stevens constructed the roster to play this way. Hopefully this is a wake up call. I don’t want to see it again next season.

Hilarious the lengths you go to to cover for your boy Joe.

Brad and Ime were both 3-pointer oriented, but Joe is the clear culprit that took it to the unjustifiable level. We were 2nd in the league in attempts this year, where we were 9th, 10th, 12th, 7th, and 9th the previous 5 years.

Blame your golden boy, Joe. He's the one that instituted this extreme kind of three point offense, not Brad or Ime.

You really haven’t been paying attention much have you. If you truly believe that Joe has free rein to do whatever he wants, you’re just delusional. He’s a 34 year old first time head coach.

And yet he's the sole example in the past six years to have us nearly lead the league in three point attempts. Awful coincidence there, Goldy, especially since Joe has consistently and incessantly harped on the three point shooting all year long.

You're a fool if you think Brad is actively managing this. He's not. That's clearly not his style, and that's part of a prerequisite of a coach jumping into that position - not interfering in a coach's decisions like that. And if he is involved with this non-sense, then shame on him, too. But I highly doubt that if Brad was pulling the strings that he'd let Joe be as futile as he was all year long, including the playoffs.

The evidence is there for you, Goldy. Just need to take off your strange Joe apologism goggles to see it.

You really believe that Wyc and Brad handed the keys to kingdom over to Joe and said, “Here, do whatever you want. We will be 100% hands off.” It’s just laughable. Brad constructed the roster. Of course he is going to be involved in terms of deciding the style of play the team will utilize. Your dislike for Joe has blinded you to common sense.
Quoting Nick from the now locked Ime thread:
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At some point you have to blame the performance on the court on the players on the court. Every loss is not the coach's fault and every win isn't because of the players.

Re: Fire Brad!
« Reply #53 on: May 30, 2023, 01:29:35 AM »

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I blame Brad for the live by the 3 die by the 3 style of play. He’s said on many occasions that this is how he thinks the game should be played and that the numbers support it. Stevens constructed the roster to play this way. Hopefully this is a wake up call. I don’t want to see it again next season.

Hilarious the lengths you go to to cover for your boy Joe.

Brad and Ime were both 3-pointer oriented, but Joe is the clear culprit that took it to the unjustifiable level. We were 2nd in the league in attempts this year, where we were 9th, 10th, 12th, 7th, and 9th the previous 5 years.

Blame your golden boy, Joe. He's the one that instituted this extreme kind of three point offense, not Brad or Ime.

You really haven’t been paying attention much have you. If you truly believe that Joe has free rein to do whatever he wants, you’re just delusional. He’s a 34 year old first time head coach.

And yet he's the sole example in the past six years to have us nearly lead the league in three point attempts. Awful coincidence there, Goldy, especially since Joe has consistently and incessantly harped on the three point shooting all year long.

You're a fool if you think Brad is actively managing this. He's not. That's clearly not his style, and that's part of a prerequisite of a coach jumping into that position - not interfering in a coach's decisions like that. And if he is involved with this non-sense, then shame on him, too. But I highly doubt that if Brad was pulling the strings that he'd let Joe be as futile as he was all year long, including the playoffs.

The evidence is there for you, Goldy. Just need to take off your strange Joe apologism goggles to see it.

You really believe that Wyc and Brad handed the keys to kingdom over to Joe and said, “Here, do whatever you want. We will be 100% hands off.” It’s just laughable. Brad constructed the roster. Of course he is going to be involved in terms of deciding the style of play the team will utilize. Your dislike for Joe has blinded you to common sense.

LULZ

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Re: Fire Brad!
« Reply #54 on: May 30, 2023, 03:11:19 AM »

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RE: the OP asking if Myers would be an upgrade - depends on ownership I guess. Stevens has made some good trades and free agency moves, but Myers does not give a hoot about tax.
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Re: Fire Brad!
« Reply #55 on: May 30, 2023, 03:51:05 AM »

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when brad effectively lost the locker room and hung up his whistle, he knew this roster needed an anti-brad to get to the next level, and he hit a home run with ime: a hard nosed coach who would call out the team for poor effort or play (even the stars), a defense-first approach to balance the 3pt heavy offense, and a person to whom the team could relate. when ime forced the organization’s hand with his behavior, an emotional brad panicked and promoted joe, then overreacted to a hot start by removing the interim tag too soon. other than this major blunder, brad’s been solid.

that said, brad’s moves (or lack thereof) this offseason will be very informative and will set the tone for the remainder of his tenure as GM.

Re: Fire Brad!
« Reply #56 on: May 30, 2023, 03:52:31 AM »

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I blame Brad for the live by the 3 die by the 3 style of play. He’s said on many occasions that this is how he thinks the game should be played and that the numbers support it. Stevens constructed the roster to play this way. Hopefully this is a wake up call. I don’t want to see it again next season.

I agree on two key points:

(1) PBS wants a high volume three point offense.
(2) PBS put together this roster to enable that.

Even if we fire Mazzula and hire a new coach, we will still have a three point heavy team. That is what most NBA types want nowadays. Not just PBS. But PBS definitely does.

Furthermore, our roster is not that good at creating other types of shots. We lack dribble penetration and playmaking from our guards. They are all bigger bulkier PGs / combo guards. None are true playmakers. This forces Jaylen & Tatum to be the playmakers.

Jaylen and Tatum are both more jump-shooters than slashers. Tatum especially. Tatum is a sweet shooting big forward. Jaylen wants to be a slasher but his loose handle causes a lot of turnovers and he doesn't pass well out of it either.

Then our bigs. Those guys don't give much interior offense. Rob Will is a garbage man. Almost all of Horford's offense comes from the perimeter nowadays. So does G Will's offense. Muscala is a perimeter player.

The deep bench pieces. Hauser is a three point shooter. Pritchard is a three point shooter. B Griffin is more of perimeter big albeit not a big three point shooter.

Whoever you give this roster to is going to run an offense with a huge amount of three point shooting. One of the league leaders in volume.

Whichever coach PBS choses to replace Mazzula, if he were to fire Mazzula, would be chosen in part for his inclination to play a three point heavy roster because that is what PBS wants. So I agree that we are going to see the same thing (three point heavy offense) with or without Mazzula and that this will not change unless PBS is changed.

Re: Fire Brad!
« Reply #57 on: May 30, 2023, 03:57:36 AM »

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Re: Fire Brad!
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If hiring Joe and extending him was Brad's decision and not forced by Wyc, I'm all for him being shipped out. Hiring Joe was a colossal mistake and I don't think you can trust Brad going forward.
You mean promoting Joe, right? He’s been with the Celtics for a long time.
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Re: Fire Brad!
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I blame Brad for the live by the 3 die by the 3 style of play. He’s said on many occasions that this is how he thinks the game should be played and that the numbers support it. Stevens constructed the roster to play this way. Hopefully this is a wake up call. I don’t want to see it again next season.

I agree on two key points:

(1) PBS wants a high volume three point offense.
(2) PBS put together this roster to enable that.

Even if we fire Mazzula and hire a new coach, we will still have a three point heavy team. That is what most NBA types want nowadays. Not just PBS. But PBS definitely does.

Furthermore, our roster is not that good at creating other types of shots. We lack dribble penetration and playmaking from our guards. They are all bigger bulkier PGs / combo guards. None are true playmakers. This forces Jaylen & Tatum to be the playmakers.

Jaylen and Tatum are both more jump-shooters than slashers. Tatum especially. Tatum is a sweet shooting big forward. Jaylen wants to be a slasher but his loose handle causes a lot of turnovers and he doesn't pass well out of it either.

Then our bigs. Those guys don't give much interior offense. Rob Will is a garbage man. Almost all of Horford's offense comes from the perimeter nowadays. So does G Will's offense. Muscala is a perimeter player.

The deep bench pieces. Hauser is a three point shooter. Pritchard is a three point shooter. B Griffin is more of perimeter big albeit not a big three point shooter.

Whoever you give this roster to is going to run an offense with a huge amount of three point shooting. One of the league leaders in volume.

Whichever coach PBS choses to replace Mazzula, if he were to fire Mazzula, would be chosen in part for his inclination to play a three point heavy roster because that is what PBS wants. So I agree that we are going to see the same thing (three point heavy offense) with or without Mazzula and that this will not change unless PBS is changed.
This can actually work if CBS have a freaking clue on how to built a team with players specialized in their roles. Brad has been obsessed with jack-of-all-trades masters-of-none type players. Like everyone have a greenlight to bombs away from 3. There is a reason positions in basketballs exists. Even if your team doesn't have a traditional lineup, there should be specific roles or plays like ball handler or cutter/slasher and coach should be active on sidelines on calling plays if he feels the team is deviating from it.