RIP - Jim Brown

[Moranis]

The greatest RB in history died at 87.  His overall legacy will be interesting given some of the conduct issues but his football legacy is set in stone as the greatest to ever do it.

[Donoghus]

Per AP & other outlets.

https://apnews.com/article/nfl-jim-brown-03d88c7da08840a0921ae8d8dd0a6aaa?utm_source=Twitter&utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_medium=AP_NFL

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BREAKING: Jim Brown, a Pro Football Hall of Famer who retired at the peak of his brilliant career to become an actor as well as a prominent civil rights advocate, has died. He was 87.

Purely on field, he is arguably the greatest RB to play the game and one of the greatest players in NFL history.  He was also an incredible lacrosse player and is actually in the lacrosse HOF.

Off the field, his legacy is somewhat less than stellar.  He was a civil rights advocate but also has a pretty atrocious history of domestic violence & abuse. 

[Roy H.]

Respect to his athletic and civil rights legacy.

[Donoghus]

Respect to his athletic and civil rights legacy.

Yeah, this is a complicated one for me.  By most accounts, he was a POS in his private life.

[Moranis]

I think this does a pretty good job of capturing the complete Jim Brown legacy.

https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2023/05/jim-brown-cleveland-browns-and-nfl-legend-dies-at-87.html

[green_bballers13]

The greatest RB in history died at 87.  His overall legacy will be interesting given some of the conduct issues but his football legacy is set in stone as the greatest to ever do it.

I'm not sure that his legacy is set in stone as the GOAT. He played for 9 years. Barry Sanders played for 10 and many think that was short for an all time great.

[Donoghus]

The greatest RB in history died at 87.  His overall legacy will be interesting given some of the conduct issues but his football legacy is set in stone as the greatest to ever do it.

I'm not sure that his legacy is set in stone as the GOAT. He played for 9 years. Barry Sanders played for 10 and many think that was short for an all time great.

Walter Payton is definitely in the argument too.

[SHAQATTACK]

It’s …odd ….I was child , don’t recall his football fame nearly as much as how he was associated with several big box office movies and hype for years .  I liked his action acting . The movies played over and over for decades

RIP

[Moranis]

The greatest RB in history died at 87.  His overall legacy will be interesting given some of the conduct issues but his football legacy is set in stone as the greatest to ever do it.

I'm not sure that his legacy is set in stone as the GOAT. He played for 9 years. Barry Sanders played for 10 and many think that was short for an all time great.

Walter Payton is definitely in the argument too.

except they've done countless lists after all 3 of those guys played.  Brown was at the top of every single one of them.  Heck in the top 100 list in 2010 he was 2nd in all positions to only Rice (he'd probably be 3rd now if they redid with Brady being 1, Rice 2, and Brown 3).  At the time of the top 100, Payton was 5th, Sanders was 17th, and Smith was 28th.

It is pretty much inarguable, Brown is the greatest RB ever and probably will be for ever given how the game is played now.

[Donoghus]

The greatest RB in history died at 87.  His overall legacy will be interesting given some of the conduct issues but his football legacy is set in stone as the greatest to ever do it.

I'm not sure that his legacy is set in stone as the GOAT. He played for 9 years. Barry Sanders played for 10 and many think that was short for an all time great.

Walter Payton is definitely in the argument too.

except they've done countless lists after all 3 of those guys played.  Brown was at the top of every single one of them.  Heck in the top 100 list in 2010 he was 2nd in all positions to only Rice (he'd probably be 3rd now if they redid with Brady being 1, Rice 2, and Brown 3).  At the time of the top 100, Payton was 5th, Sanders was 17th, and Smith was 28th.

It is pretty much inarguable, Brown is the greatest RB ever and probably will be for ever given how the game is played now.

Stuff like this is always going to be debated.  Nothing is inarguable.  That's silly.

For my money, Brown is #1 but there's always some compelling arguments about others.

[green_bballers13]

The greatest RB in history died at 87.  His overall legacy will be interesting given some of the conduct issues but his football legacy is set in stone as the greatest to ever do it.

I'm not sure that his legacy is set in stone as the GOAT. He played for 9 years. Barry Sanders played for 10 and many think that was short for an all time great.

Walter Payton is definitely in the argument too.

except they've done countless lists after all 3 of those guys played.  Brown was at the top of every single one of them.  Heck in the top 100 list in 2010 he was 2nd in all positions to only Rice (he'd probably be 3rd now if they redid with Brady being 1, Rice 2, and Brown 3).  At the time of the top 100, Payton was 5th, Sanders was 17th, and Smith was 28th.

It is pretty much inarguable, Brown is the greatest RB ever and probably will be for ever given how the game is played now.

What does "pretty much inarguable" mean? It can or can't be argued?

I'm not saying that he's not the best. I just think its possible to have a different opinion. Especially when that player played before the Super Bowl era when football players were slower, smaller, and generally less athletic. The league has changed a lot since Brown retired.

[Moranis]

The greatest RB in history died at 87.  His overall legacy will be interesting given some of the conduct issues but his football legacy is set in stone as the greatest to ever do it.

I'm not sure that his legacy is set in stone as the GOAT. He played for 9 years. Barry Sanders played for 10 and many think that was short for an all time great.

Walter Payton is definitely in the argument too.

except they've done countless lists after all 3 of those guys played.  Brown was at the top of every single one of them.  Heck in the top 100 list in 2010 he was 2nd in all positions to only Rice (he'd probably be 3rd now if they redid with Brady being 1, Rice 2, and Brown 3).  At the time of the top 100, Payton was 5th, Sanders was 17th, and Smith was 28th.

It is pretty much inarguable, Brown is the greatest RB ever and probably will be for ever given how the game is played now.

Stuff like this is always going to be debated.  Nothing is inarguable.  That's silly.

For my money, Brown is #1 but there's always some compelling arguments about others.

Well a crazy person could argue Rice isn't the greatest WR, Brady isn't the greatest QB, and LT isn't the greatest LB, but just as with Brown at RB it is silly and they can be disregarded as a crazy person (at least right now, who knows what some future player will be).

[green_bballers13]

The greatest RB in history died at 87.  His overall legacy will be interesting given some of the conduct issues but his football legacy is set in stone as the greatest to ever do it.

I'm not sure that his legacy is set in stone as the GOAT. He played for 9 years. Barry Sanders played for 10 and many think that was short for an all time great.

Walter Payton is definitely in the argument too.

except they've done countless lists after all 3 of those guys played.  Brown was at the top of every single one of them.  Heck in the top 100 list in 2010 he was 2nd in all positions to only Rice (he'd probably be 3rd now if they redid with Brady being 1, Rice 2, and Brown 3).  At the time of the top 100, Payton was 5th, Sanders was 17th, and Smith was 28th.

It is pretty much inarguable, Brown is the greatest RB ever and probably will be for ever given how the game is played now.

Stuff like this is always going to be debated.  Nothing is inarguable.  That's silly.

For my money, Brown is #1 but there's always some compelling arguments about others.

Well a crazy person could argue Rice isn't the greatest WR, Brady isn't the greatest QB, and LT isn't the greatest LB, but just as with Brown at RB it is silly and they can be disregarded as a crazy person (at least right now, who knows what some future player will be).

I think Brady and Rice are the only two clear-cut players at their position. There have been more talented players, such as Mahomes and Moss. Brady and Rice's winning/longevity put them over the top for me.

LT is better than Ray Lewis, but I don't think there's a huge divide.

I also think Brown was better than Sanders, Payton, and Emmitt. I think he'd have a stronger case if he had the longevity of Emmitt/Ladanian/Adrian and wasn't as big as linemen (apparently he played at 230 lbs). It would be cool to see a RB dominate today at 300lbs. It's the equivalent of Wilt Chamberlain scoring 100 points on 6'5 guys.

[Neurotic Guy]

He was dominant - man among boys.  Also nice run in the Dirty Dozen!

Don't know who GOAT RB is - impossible to be definitive and it doesn't matter much to me.  He was awesome to watch, though I was young when he retired and my memories are vague and probably of his final season.  Seemed larger than life.

I think Jim Brown is a classic example of a complex individual.  Like a lot of players of his era, who knows how many concussions he had and in what ways that may have impacted his life -- not to mention other body parts.  No excuse for the violence. Also great lacrosse player.  May at one time have been GOAT in 2 sports.