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Re: NFL 2023 Offseason Thread
« Reply #60 on: March 08, 2023, 05:06:24 PM »

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As a Bears fan, Iíd rather have Fields and the pick.  No interest in Lamar.

I think Lamar is an incredible athlete, but an overrated QB. Iíd rather have fields and the pick as well.
Except he wins a lot (at least in regular season) and puts up solid numbers without a #1 WR (though a top 3 TE in the sport).  I think the bigger concern is the 40% of missed games over the last 2 seasons.  That is part of the reason I'd have a hard time paying 250 million with half (or so) guaranteed, let alone guaranteeing the whole thing.  And it appears the NFL owners may feel the same way.  He isn't Mahomes.

Does he put up solid numbers, though? Especially when it comes to passing the ball. 17TDís last year, only 16 the year before. Lamar is a run first QB that isnít very accurate throwing the ball. Plus, heís only been playing 12 games a season the last two years.  Hard to blame Baltimore for not wanting to give him a ton of guaranteed money.

Again, who is he throwing to?   It matters.   Can the receivers create separation in the red zone?   Can the receivers make a play in the open field?   


The missed games is the negative.   

I think the real hang-up isn't the money, it is the all guaranteed money.  If Watson can get that, why shouldn't Jackson.   (you know that is what he is thinking)

Andrews and Marquise Brown were pretty solid options. Does it matter who the WRís are if he canít hit them with accurate passes? People were saying that about Cam Newton in NE. ďHe doesnít have any help. Thatís why heís not passing the ball well.Ē Wonít matter if prime Randy Moss is out there if the QB is tossing the ball 5 feet over his head or throwing it into the ground.
He is pretty accurate.  Not Burrow accurate, but is basically as accurate as Josh Allen or Tom Brady (for basically his entire career in NE).  In fact, if you look at Brady's first 6 seasons, he was 63.9, 62.1, 60.2, 60.8, 63, 61.8.  He had a TD% between 4.4 and 4.9 except one outlier at 5.9, and his INT% was between 2.3 and 3.0.  In other words, Lamar is more accurate, throws a higher percentage of TD's and a lesser percentage of INT's, than Brady did his first 6 seasons when he was winning 3 Super Bowls, but generally playing on a conservative offense with no real play makers.  2007 comes and Randy Moss strolls into town and all of a sudden Brady completes 68.9% of his passes, with a TD% of 8.7, an INT% of 1.4, and throws as many TD's in that one season as the prior 2 seasons combined.  Amazing what a great WR can do for a QB.

Last year Lamar was 26th in the NFL for completion percentage. The year before he was 21. Heís not a very accurate passer.
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« Reply #61 on: March 08, 2023, 10:05:41 PM »

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As a Bears fan, Iíd rather have Fields and the pick.  No interest in Lamar.

I think Lamar is an incredible athlete, but an overrated QB. Iíd rather have fields and the pick as well.

This is nuts. Lamar is awesome. Besides Andrews, the Ravens= the Pats with a kicker and no D. Translation- they stink without Lamar.

Most teams would be psyched to have this QB upgrade. He makes a bad team relevant. Iím not sure CHI or HOU qualify, as they need an improvements at basically every position. Basically 24 teams would benefit from Lamar coming to town.

I hope people continue to underestimate this guy. I canít wait to see the things he will do.
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Re: NFL 2023 Offseason Thread
« Reply #62 on: March 09, 2023, 03:28:28 PM »

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Sources: NFL is taking a fifth-round pick from the Texans and fining them $175,000 for what the league believes is a salary-cap violation and what Houston believes is an accounting error that dates back Deshaun Watsonís training during COVID.
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The Texans believe it gave them no salary-cap advantage and they were simply paying $26,000 for Deshaun Watson to train at a local facility while theirs was closed during COVID.


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Re: NFL 2023 Offseason Thread
« Reply #63 on: March 09, 2023, 03:41:09 PM »

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Re: NFL 2023 Offseason Thread
« Reply #64 on: March 09, 2023, 04:08:43 PM »

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Sources: NFL is taking a fifth-round pick from the Texans and fining them $175,000 for what the league believes is a salary-cap violation and what Houston believes is an accounting error that dates back Deshaun Watsonís training during COVID.
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The Texans believe it gave them no salary-cap advantage and they were simply paying $26,000 for Deshaun Watson to train at a local facility while theirs was closed during COVID.

If it's a 5th rounder for a $26k good faith violation, that seems steep. 


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« Reply #65 on: March 09, 2023, 04:54:11 PM »

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Sources: NFL is taking a fifth-round pick from the Texans and fining them $175,000 for what the league believes is a salary-cap violation and what Houston believes is an accounting error that dates back Deshaun Watsonís training during COVID.
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The Texans believe it gave them no salary-cap advantage and they were simply paying $26,000 for Deshaun Watson to train at a local facility while theirs was closed during COVID.

If it's a 5th rounder for a $26k good faith violation, that seems steep.
But did they report it?
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« Reply #66 on: March 09, 2023, 05:15:05 PM »

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Sources: NFL is taking a fifth-round pick from the Texans and fining them $175,000 for what the league believes is a salary-cap violation and what Houston believes is an accounting error that dates back Deshaun Watsonís training during COVID.
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The Texans believe it gave them no salary-cap advantage and they were simply paying $26,000 for Deshaun Watson to train at a local facility while theirs was closed during COVID.

If it's a 5th rounder for a $26k good faith violation, that seems steep.
But did they report it?

No idea.  But $26k in the NFL seems like chump change, whereas a 5th rounder has decent value.

It just shows how differently the leagues take CBA violations, I guess.


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Re: NFL 2023 Offseason Thread
« Reply #67 on: March 09, 2023, 08:21:08 PM »

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NFL Network's Tom Pelissero reported Thursday afternoon that the two sides have worked through compensation for a trade, and the Jets have determined what they would do with Rodgers' contract.

Essentially, everything with the transaction has been agreed to. The only remaining step is Rodgers approving the deal.
This is a significant development in this situation, as it means the Jets can essentially make the trade official as soon as Rodgers (hopefully) gives the okay. Until then, however, both sides remain in a holding pattern.
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Re: NFL 2023 Offseason Thread
« Reply #68 on: March 10, 2023, 03:40:28 AM »

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« Reply #69 on: March 10, 2023, 10:14:08 AM »

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Imagine if after all this time and all the reporting, Rodgers himself is like "sorry not interested" to the Jets lol  :laugh:
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Re: NFL 2023 Offseason Thread
« Reply #70 on: March 10, 2023, 11:34:58 AM »

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Re: NFL 2023 Offseason Thread
« Reply #71 on: March 10, 2023, 11:37:44 AM »

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Dolphins are converting Tyreek Hillís $10 million roster bonus and $16 million salary into a $24.835 million bonus and an $1.165 million salary, saving the team about $18 million against their salary cap, per sources.
creating cap room.  teams do it all of the time, now what they are going to use it for is interesting.
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Re: NFL 2023 Offseason Thread
« Reply #72 on: March 10, 2023, 11:42:20 AM »

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Dolphins are converting Tyreek Hillís $10 million roster bonus and $16 million salary into a $24.835 million bonus and an $1.165 million salary, saving the team about $18 million against their salary cap, per sources.
creating cap room.  teams do it all of the time, now what they are going to use it for is interesting.

Yeah, the first part was blatantly apparent.


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Re: NFL 2023 Offseason Thread
« Reply #73 on: March 10, 2023, 11:56:36 AM »

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I don't know much about how the cap works for the NFL. Is there a down side to converting salary into bonus money to free up cap for this year? Teams do it all the time and it seems pretty advantageous for everyone involved. Does it push the cap hit into the future?
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« Reply #74 on: March 10, 2023, 12:04:53 PM »

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I don't know much about how the cap works for the NFL. Is there a down side to converting salary into bonus money to free up cap for this year? Teams do it all the time and it seems pretty advantageous for everyone involved. Does it push the cap hit into the future?

Yes.  Let's say you have a 9 million dollar amount for this year and they agree to turn it into a bonus (with an extra money to be this years base salary)

So the player still gets the same money this year, but the team prorates the 9 million over the length of the contract.   So if there was three years left, instead of 9 million on the cap this year, it becomes 3 million this year, 3 million next year and 3 million the last year.   

Basically trading cap space in the future (where the cap goes up) for cap space now.