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Re: Patriots 2022 Season
« Reply #45 on: August 26, 2022, 08:41:27 PM »

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Pats look awful on both ends. Yikes.
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Re: Patriots 2022 Season
« Reply #46 on: August 26, 2022, 09:58:43 PM »

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They are going to need regular season reps to figure this offense out. Letís go pats!

Re: Patriots 2022 Season
« Reply #47 on: August 26, 2022, 11:38:01 PM »

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Am I the only person who thinks the blame for not having actual offensive and defensive coordinators, is on Robert Kraft? There is no salary cap for coaches, so why are we dealing with a play on words for not naming an offensive coordinator? Is it really so the Lions and Giants can continue to pay their salaries?

Speaking of cheaping out on the coaching staff, shouldn't the team put more money into scouting college players? I know Bill has final say in the draft, but the scouts are providing him with poor information.

Robert Kraft needs to put on his big boy pants, and let Bill go after this season. I have a bad feeling, this season could be a disaster.

I did agree with the decision to move on from Brady. However, the team should have also moved on from Bill too, around the same time. Unfortunately, Bill winning that power move may have given him too much authority.

Re: Patriots 2022 Season
« Reply #48 on: August 27, 2022, 09:42:23 AM »

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Am I the only person who thinks the blame for not having actual offensive and defensive coordinators, is on Robert Kraft? There is no salary cap for coaches, so why are we dealing with a play on words for not naming an offensive coordinator? Is it really so the Lions and Giants can continue to pay their salaries?

Speaking of cheaping out on the coaching staff, shouldn't the team put more money into scouting college players? I know Bill has final say in the draft, but the scouts are providing him with poor information.

Robert Kraft needs to put on his big boy pants, and let Bill go after this season. I have a bad feeling, this season could be a disaster.

I did agree with the decision to move on from Brady. However, the team should have also moved on from Bill too, around the same time. Unfortunately, Bill winning that power move may have given him too much authority.

I donít think Kraft was the one who chose to bring in Patricia and Judge to run the offense, that was Bill. Belichick has too much power/control and he surrounds himself with cronies. Bill does the shopping, picks the groceries and makes the meal. If it doesnít work, thatís on him.
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At some point you have to blame the performance on the court on the players on the court. Every loss is not the coach's fault and every win isn't because of the players.

Re: Patriots 2022 Season
« Reply #49 on: August 27, 2022, 10:30:26 AM »

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The Patriots have not drafted well in a decade.  They haven't had real impact from free agency in longer than that.  Bill the GM just isn't very good.  They needed to replace Pioli with someone competent and didn't and the scouting and front office hasn't been the same.  That obviously doesn't mean they didn't get some great players, of course they have, but not at near the level they were previously.  And of course that makes sense, it is hard enough to be a coach or GM, but to do both, then both suffer.  I think a lot of people let the greatness of Bill the coach overshadow how bad Bill the GM has been.  And Brady just masked so many of the problems on the roster.  A great QB can easily be the difference between a top 5 drafting team and a team making the Super Bowl, and obviously Brady is that good.  He is worth at least 8 wins from a bad QB and at least 3 or 4 wins from a good QB.  There is a reason a team like the Raiders with a very good QB in Derek Carr was interested in bringing in Brady.   
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Re: Patriots 2022 Season
« Reply #50 on: August 27, 2022, 11:19:20 AM »

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Vultures on here already circling the patriots and bill before the season starts. I think itís fair because in the past we have always learned how much the preseason means. Itís why the ravens have won 5 Super Bowls in a row.

Re: Patriots 2022 Season
« Reply #51 on: August 27, 2022, 02:05:39 PM »

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Vultures on here already circling the patriots and bill before the season starts. I think itís fair because in the past we have always learned how much the preseason means. Itís why the ravens have won 5 Super Bowls in a row.

I agree that preseason is pretty useless in many ways, and I think the fair thing to do with this year's Patriots is give them several games (at least 4) to sort things out on offense, but I do also think that the first chunk of the season is going to be ugly while they're sorting things out. I also think it's fair to go after Bill's seeming unwillingness to get a legit No. 1 receiver. But I am willing to see how things go with his collection of No. 3 receiversómaybe he sees something good there that I don't.
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Re: Patriots 2022 Season
« Reply #52 on: August 27, 2022, 03:06:38 PM »

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Vultures on here already circling the patriots and bill before the season starts. I think itís fair because in the past we have always learned how much the preseason means. Itís why the ravens have won 5 Super Bowls in a row.

I agree that preseason is pretty useless in many ways, and I think the fair thing to do with this year's Patriots is give them several games (at least 4) to sort things out on offense, but I do also think that the first chunk of the season is going to be ugly while they're sorting things out. I also think it's fair to go after Bill's seeming unwillingness to get a legit No. 1 receiver. But I am willing to see how things go with his collection of No. 3 receiversómaybe he sees something good there that I don't.

Iím in the exact same boat. I could see this team surprising in both directions. I just find it funny that people are so ready to write off bill after a few decades. Remind me how quick the broncos recovered after losing Peyton or elway. Pete Carroll is universally considered a great coach, but does anyone expect any Seattle to be making a deep playoff run after losing wilson the next few years. Itís just really ridiculous. Some people act like bill took a pee in their cheerios. Just appreciate a legend.

Re: Patriots 2022 Season
« Reply #53 on: August 27, 2022, 03:50:44 PM »

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Vultures on here already circling the patriots and bill before the season starts. I think itís fair because in the past we have always learned how much the preseason means. Itís why the ravens have won 5 Super Bowls in a row.

I agree that preseason is pretty useless in many ways, and I think the fair thing to do with this year's Patriots is give them several games (at least 4) to sort things out on offense, but I do also think that the first chunk of the season is going to be ugly while they're sorting things out. I also think it's fair to go after Bill's seeming unwillingness to get a legit No. 1 receiver. But I am willing to see how things go with his collection of No. 3 receiversómaybe he sees something good there that I don't.

Iím in the exact same boat. I could see this team surprising in both directions. I just find it funny that people are so ready to write off bill after a few decades. Remind me how quick the broncos recovered after losing Peyton or elway. Pete Carroll is universally considered a great coach, but does anyone expect any Seattle to be making a deep playoff run after losing wilson the next few years. Itís just really ridiculous. Some people act like bill took a pee in their cheerios. Just appreciate a legend.
you can appreciate the greatness that is BB the coach, but also recognize the mostly disaster that BB the GM has been.  They are not mutually exclusive.  BB has been an awful GM his entire career.  He should not be in that role.  He failed at it Cleveland and has been nearly as bad at it in New England.  It is one thing to give a coach veto power, it is entirely another to give a coach ALL of the power. 
I was finally wrong. Boston not only didn't win in 5, but didn't win at all.

Re: Patriots 2022 Season
« Reply #54 on: August 27, 2022, 11:44:09 PM »

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Vultures on here already circling the patriots and bill before the season starts. I think itís fair because in the past we have always learned how much the preseason means. Itís why the ravens have won 5 Super Bowls in a row.

I agree that preseason is pretty useless in many ways, and I think the fair thing to do with this year's Patriots is give them several games (at least 4) to sort things out on offense, but I do also think that the first chunk of the season is going to be ugly while they're sorting things out. I also think it's fair to go after Bill's seeming unwillingness to get a legit No. 1 receiver. But I am willing to see how things go with his collection of No. 3 receiversómaybe he sees something good there that I don't.

Iím in the exact same boat. I could see this team surprising in both directions. I just find it funny that people are so ready to write off bill after a few decades. Remind me how quick the broncos recovered after losing Peyton or elway. Pete Carroll is universally considered a great coach, but does anyone expect any Seattle to be making a deep playoff run after losing wilson the next few years. Itís just really ridiculous. Some people act like bill took a pee in their cheerios. Just appreciate a legend.

Yeah, he did really well for a few decades with Brady. Didnít do much before Tom and things havenít looked great after. Bill controls everything and many consider him to be the greatest coach of all time. Time to show it by winning without Tom Brady.
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At some point you have to blame the performance on the court on the players on the court. Every loss is not the coach's fault and every win isn't because of the players.

Re: Patriots 2022 Season
« Reply #55 on: August 28, 2022, 09:22:34 PM »

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The Patriots have not drafted well in a decade.  They haven't had real impact from free agency in longer than that.  Bill the GM just isn't very good.  They needed to replace Pioli with someone competent and didn't and the scouting and front office hasn't been the same.  That obviously doesn't mean they didn't get some great players, of course they have, but not at near the level they were previously.
I love it when you say things like this. Some of the draft picks the Pats have made in the last decade:
Chandler Jones - Dont'a Hightower - Tavon Wilson - Nate Ebner - Jamie Collins - Logan Ryan - Duron Harmon - Trey Flowers - Shaq Mason - Joe Thuney - Deatrich Wise - Isaiah Wynn - Damien Harris - Mike Onwenu - Mac Jones - Kyle Dugger - Christian Barmore - Rhamondre Stevenson

The majority of those players have had significant roles in SB winning teams, and have at different times been regarded as some of the best in their position.

Re: Patriots 2022 Season
« Reply #56 on: August 28, 2022, 11:09:13 PM »

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The Patriots have not drafted well in a decade.  They haven't had real impact from free agency in longer than that.  Bill the GM just isn't very good.  They needed to replace Pioli with someone competent and didn't and the scouting and front office hasn't been the same.  That obviously doesn't mean they didn't get some great players, of course they have, but not at near the level they were previously.
I love it when you say things like this. Some of the draft picks the Pats have made in the last decade:
Chandler Jones - Dont'a Hightower - Tavon Wilson - Nate Ebner - Jamie Collins - Logan Ryan - Duron Harmon - Trey Flowers - Shaq Mason - Joe Thuney - Deatrich Wise - Isaiah Wynn - Damien Harris - Mike Onwenu - Mac Jones - Kyle Dugger - Christian Barmore - Rhamondre Stevenson

The majority of those players have had significant roles in SB winning teams, and have at different times been regarded as some of the best in their position.

Agree. It is pretty silly to attribute every super bowl to just having an amazing qb. Brady is obviously great, but so is rodgers and so was Peyton, manning, Marino etc. There were lots of other great players on this pats run.

Re: Patriots 2022 Season
« Reply #57 on: August 29, 2022, 12:03:28 AM »

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The Patriots have not drafted well in a decade.  They haven't had real impact from free agency in longer than that.  Bill the GM just isn't very good.  They needed to replace Pioli with someone competent and didn't and the scouting and front office hasn't been the same.  That obviously doesn't mean they didn't get some great players, of course they have, but not at near the level they were previously.
I love it when you say things like this. Some of the draft picks the Pats have made in the last decade:
Chandler Jones - Dont'a Hightower - Tavon Wilson - Nate Ebner - Jamie Collins - Logan Ryan - Duron Harmon - Trey Flowers - Shaq Mason - Joe Thuney - Deatrich Wise - Isaiah Wynn - Damien Harris - Mike Onwenu - Mac Jones - Kyle Dugger - Christian Barmore - Rhamondre Stevenson

The majority of those players have had significant roles in SB winning teams, and have at different times been regarded as some of the best in their position.

Bill has an incredible mind when it comes to the defensive side of the field.  Probably the best of all time. Problem is, the NFL is a passing league now and the way itís officiated is clearly slanted to favor the offense.  Almost every example you gave for successful draft picks were defensive players. I think Mac will be a good QB, but he hasnít done anything yet. Jury is still out on him and Stevenson as they have only played one season.

Belichick has been unable to identify and draft elite skill position players and he unlike refuses to give up the draft capital and salary necessary to acquire a top WR like a Diggs, Hopkins, AJ Brown, Hill, Adams, etc like other GMís have. You need those sort of players to win in todays NFL. If you keep missing in the draft and are unwilling to trade for an elite offensive talent you wonít be able to contend.
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At some point you have to blame the performance on the court on the players on the court. Every loss is not the coach's fault and every win isn't because of the players.

Re: Patriots 2022 Season
« Reply #58 on: September 01, 2022, 10:58:59 AM »

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The Patriots have not drafted well in a decade.  They haven't had real impact from free agency in longer than that.  Bill the GM just isn't very good.  They needed to replace Pioli with someone competent and didn't and the scouting and front office hasn't been the same.  That obviously doesn't mean they didn't get some great players, of course they have, but not at near the level they were previously.
I love it when you say things like this. Some of the draft picks the Pats have made in the last decade:
Chandler Jones - Dont'a Hightower - Tavon Wilson - Nate Ebner - Jamie Collins - Logan Ryan - Duron Harmon - Trey Flowers - Shaq Mason - Joe Thuney - Deatrich Wise - Isaiah Wynn - Damien Harris - Mike Onwenu - Mac Jones - Kyle Dugger - Christian Barmore - Rhamondre Stevenson

The majority of those players have had significant roles in SB winning teams, and have at different times been regarded as some of the best in their position.
That is less than 20 players.  There are 7 rounds.  Every team will draft good players, but the Patriots have been missing far more than most teams and far more than they were before they let Pioli leave and didn't replace him. 
I was finally wrong. Boston not only didn't win in 5, but didn't win at all.

Re: Patriots 2022 Season
« Reply #59 on: September 01, 2022, 11:10:43 AM »

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The Patriots have not drafted well in a decade.  They haven't had real impact from free agency in longer than that.  Bill the GM just isn't very good.  They needed to replace Pioli with someone competent and didn't and the scouting and front office hasn't been the same.  That obviously doesn't mean they didn't get some great players, of course they have, but not at near the level they were previously.
I love it when you say things like this. Some of the draft picks the Pats have made in the last decade:
Chandler Jones - Dont'a Hightower - Tavon Wilson - Nate Ebner - Jamie Collins - Logan Ryan - Duron Harmon - Trey Flowers - Shaq Mason - Joe Thuney - Deatrich Wise - Isaiah Wynn - Damien Harris - Mike Onwenu - Mac Jones - Kyle Dugger - Christian Barmore - Rhamondre Stevenson

The majority of those players have had significant roles in SB winning teams, and have at different times been regarded as some of the best in their position.
That is less than 20 players.  There are 7 rounds.  Every team will draft good players, but the Patriots have been missing far more than most teams and far more than they were before they let Pioli leave and didn't replace him.

Is there an analysis on this anywhere?


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