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Re: 2021 CB Roster Thread
« Reply #45 on: September 10, 2021, 10:35:06 PM »

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My four favorite teams (alphabetically):  Indiana, Milwaukee, Minnesota, San Antonio

My next two (alphabetically): Houston, Memphis

So, #1, #2, #6, #8, #11, #12

I wouldn't have necessarily expected that distribution.

My favorite / least favorite picks each round:

1st:  Lebron / Kawhi
2nd: Beal / Lavine (next to Doncic)
3rd: Trae / 3 way tie (Klay, Dray, and Simmons next to Bam)
4th: Sabonis / Porzingis
5th: Barnes / Barrett
6th: Bogdanovic / Hield (by default; this was a strong round)
7th: Murray / Anderson
8th: Allen / Kemba
9th: Gallianri / Boucher
10th: Tie (Timelord, Markannen) / Barton
11th: Plumlee / Dort
12th: Nance / Gasol
13th: Schroder / Nesmith

Highest Draft GPA (i.e., if each pick were weighted equally, and graded A through F):  Indiana.  Almost every pick rated at an A or a B for me.
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Re: 2021 CB Roster Thread
« Reply #46 on: September 10, 2021, 10:44:43 PM »

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My favorite / least favorite picks each round:

2nd: Beal / Lavine (next to Doncic)

Why do you not like LaVine next to Doncic?

Re: 2021 CB Roster Thread
« Reply #47 on: September 10, 2021, 10:54:50 PM »

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My favorite / least favorite picks each round:

2nd: Beal / Lavine (next to Doncic)

Why do you not like LaVine next to Doncic?

My opinion only: both are high usage guys who need the ball in their hands.  Neither is good at defense, and neither has won in the playoffs (Lavine hasn't made the playoffs, ever).

Lavine is worthy of being a second rounder, but I think he and Doncic don't cover each other's weaknesses.


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Re: 2021 CB Roster Thread
« Reply #48 on: September 11, 2021, 02:35:39 AM »

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My four favorite teams (alphabetically):  Indiana, Milwaukee, Minnesota, San Antonio

My next two (alphabetically): Houston, Memphis

So, #1, #2, #6, #8, #11, #12

I wouldn't have necessarily expected that distribution.

My favorite / least favorite picks each round:

1st:  Lebron / Kawhi
2nd: Beal / Lavine (next to Doncic)
3rd: Trae / 3 way tie (Klay, Dray, and Simmons next to Bam)
4th: Sabonis / Porzingis
5th: Barnes / Barrett
6th: Bogdanovic / Hield (by default; this was a strong round)
7th: Murray / Anderson
8th: Allen / Kemba
9th: Gallianri / Boucher
10th: Tie (Timelord, Markannen) / Barton
11th: Plumlee / Dort
12th: Nance / Gasol
13th: Schroder / Nesmith

Highest Draft GPA (i.e., if each pick were weighted equally, and graded A through F):  Indiana.  Almost every pick rated at an A or a B for me.
Wish there were more posts like this, giving us feedback. It's easier to see the full picture when you don't have a horse in the race. Agreed that SloMo was a reach. Chances are he would have been available with my next pick. With the benefit of hindsight, I would have selected De'Andre Hunter or Bojan Bogdanovic. When RPG selected Hunter, I instantly regretted my pick. I also regretted selecting Fox over Jerami Grant. In a vacuum, imo Fox is easily the better player, but the PG position was the deepest one in the draft. Talent distribution matters. Not all positions were equally deep.

At the end of the day, I'm happy with my roster. SloMo is a very underrated player around the league. Was lurking on some Grizzlies forums during the summer. Plenty of Grizzlies fans maintain he was their best player last season (over Ja). Reminds me a bit of Marcus Smart in the sense that he's a terrific passer and team defender, but a below average scoring option. Smart is more active on D whereas SloMo is a very heady defender with a 7'2.75" wingspan. I truly believe he's the perfect glue guy for any team. Would love us to trade for him in real life. Fwiw, the advanced stats like his game as well.
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Re: 2021 CB Roster Thread
« Reply #49 on: September 11, 2021, 03:46:16 PM »

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The Toronto Raptors!!!
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Description:
This team is primarily built to supplement and enhance my first two picks: Harden and Zion. Both players are very different, but also have very similar qualities that make them such a seamless fit. Both players can get to the rim at will, draw fouls at a ridiculously high rate, and love to get out in transition. The difference is that Zion needs someone to get him the ball to reach his full potential... who better than one of the best playmakers in the league in James Harden? This offense's bread and butter will be killing teams on the fast break and the making them suffer at the rim with Harden/Zion pick-and-rolls. The rest of the team will do two things: make the offense more versatile, and supplement my two main stars.

Kyle Lowry:
Lowry will work as my secondary playmaker on the court, getting chances to run the offense to give Harden a break. While not Harden, Lowry can still score from both inside and out, while performing pick-and-rolls/pops with Vucevic and Zion. Off ball next to Harden, Lowry can still be a stud. Shooting 40% on over 7 3pt attempts last year, the point guard can space the floor for the two stars.

Duncan Robinson:
Duncan is probably the best catch and shoot player in the league, shooting 41% on 8.5 3pt attempts a game. Combined with his ability to move off the ball, you basically have to stick a man on him at all times.  His ability to warp the defense with his shooting will constantly give Zion and Harden open lanes to the rim. Whether it's fanning out on the fast break or getting open in the corner in the half court sets, Duncan gives my two stars an option of kicking the ball out on a drive.

Nikola Vucevic:
(Had a better description for him, but this d.a.m.n website logged me out in the middle of it) One of the best big men floor spacers in the league, shooting 40% on 6.3 3pt attempts. A nasty weapon for Harden and Lowry to use in pick-and-pops/rolls. When he's not stretching the floor and punishing sagging defenders, he can punish smaller teams and mismatches on the inside with his bag of tricks.

Bench: COMING SOON!!!
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Re: 2021 CB Roster Thread
« Reply #50 on: September 14, 2021, 01:47:29 AM »

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Are we gonna vote for the best teams?

Not much point in creating our teams if we don't talk about them after the draft. Getting feedback is part of the fun in these games.
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Re: 2021 CB Roster Thread
« Reply #51 on: September 14, 2021, 04:56:07 AM »

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New York's offence is through the roof, but their defence is bad enough where they'll just get feasted on by other teams in 150-149 games.
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Re: 2021 CB Roster Thread
« Reply #52 on: September 14, 2021, 08:24:01 AM »

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The Toronto Raptors!!!
Description:
This team is primarily built to supplement and enhance my first two picks: Harden and Zion. Both players are very different, but also have very similar qualities that make them such a seamless fit. Both players can get to the rim at will, draw fouls at a ridiculously high rate, and love to get out in transition. The difference is that Zion needs someone to get him the ball to reach his full potential... who better than one of the best playmakers in the league in James Harden? This offense's bread and butter will be killing teams on the fast break and the making them suffer at the rim with Harden/Zion pick-and-rolls. The rest of the team will do two things: make the offense more versatile, and supplement my two main stars.
I wonder about this. Is Zion at his best playing off the ball as a finisher or on the ball as a creator?

He had a big improvement last season with extra ball-handling responsibilities and looked completely unstoppable as a driving ball-handler with his combination of quickness and unbelievable strength. Like a wrecking ball coming down the lane.

When I picture this team and it will work, I see Harden as the primary creator but Zion as the 2nd option -- in terms of creating off the dribble. With Lowry or LaMelo as the 3rd option. With Vucevic being used as the main pivot / PnR man & Zion being a secondary pivot / PnR guy.

It sounds like New Orleans (IRL NBA) are planning on giving Zion more and more point guard duties moving forward because of how much success he had with it last season. I expect we'll see a player ending up more similar to LeBron in terms of freakish physical gifts but spending most of his time beating people of the dribble and then using his muscle to get to the rim on the drive. As opposed to a typical big man who would play 15 feet and in and play off the ball being fed by guards.

I don't view this as a problem for your team. I believe there is enough space for both Harden and Zion to operate. And Zion is versatile enough to switch in and out of both roles as opposed to having to play one role all the time.

It is just a different view on Zion will reach his full potential. Off ball finisher versus on ball creator.

Re: 2021 CB Roster Thread
« Reply #53 on: September 14, 2021, 09:16:26 AM »

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I like Milwaukee, Toronto, and Indiana the best.  I think they put together the more balanced starting units but that also play to the best players' strengths. 
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Re: 2021 CB Roster Thread
« Reply #54 on: September 14, 2021, 09:24:48 AM »

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My favorite / least favorite picks each round:

2nd: Beal / Lavine (next to Doncic)

Why do you not like LaVine next to Doncic?

My opinion only: both are high usage guys who need the ball in their hands.  Neither is good at defense, and neither has won in the playoffs (Lavine hasn't made the playoffs, ever).

Lavine is worthy of being a second rounder, but I think he and Doncic don't cover each other's weaknesses.

Lavine is elite at two things: spot up shooting (48.6% on catch and shoot 3s last season) and creating offense.  I think his spot-up shooting will complement Doncic big time.  A drag on "spot-up shooting" is when the defense closes out well, these specialists often aren't very good at attacking the closeout.  Lavine has a very strong ability to attack closeouts and create against a scrambling defense. 

Lavine can also be a very good creator when Doncic is out of the game with tons of good finishers around him when he breaks down the defense, which he's very good at.

Lack of defense and lack of having a proven winner are big weaknesses of this team for sure though.  How much can the Rudy Gobert effect cover for them on defense?  I could buy into that if the GM supports it well enough.  Would love to see CJ moved for a guy who's more of a proven winner (like Lowry).
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Re: 2021 CB Roster Thread
« Reply #55 on: September 14, 2021, 09:48:10 AM »

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My favorite teams (in no particular order):
Milwaukee - best team I think
NYK - offense, offense, offense!
Toronto - another elite offense

I also like Indiana for their defense.

Houston is super interesting.  OG, Hayward, and Porzingis are all awesome fits next to Giannis.  Kyrie is the one I can't peg if its a good fit or not.  This could be a very switchable team 1-5 defensively if they didn't have Kyrie.  But he also gives you that go-to offensive creator like Middleton which Giannis absolutely needs.  I'm torn.

I love the Jrue fit with Lebron.  I don't love the Val or Ingram fits.  But Time Lord should supplant Val as starting C by mid-season anyways.  :)  I also really like Seth Curry and Joe Harris off the bench.  You've always got a chance with Lebron.

OKC doesn't overwhelm you when you look at them, but I really like their team.  A great 3-5 with two steady, heady, solid guards to run the show.  Two guys who can close.
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Re: 2021 CB Roster Thread
« Reply #56 on: September 14, 2021, 10:03:22 AM »

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I’m surprised to see Toronto listed as a candidate for best team, and I’m also a bit surprised to see fairly little love for San Antonio (in particular from one of Lebron’s #1 fans).  Same with Minnesota, but I think a lot of folks explained they’re just down on Trae Young.

I agree with the praise for Milwaukee and Indiana.


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Re: 2021 CB Roster Thread
« Reply #57 on: September 14, 2021, 10:04:44 AM »

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My problem with Young is that he's dangerously close to unplayable on defense. With the level of offensive talent in this league, you're going to have a tough time hiding him.

“Close to unplayable” is pretty wild hyperbole, isn’t it?
I think so, given he just led his team to two victories over higher-seeded playoff teams
I wrote a post about this in a thread way back, but Trae/ATL got incredibly favorable matchups in the playoffs because neither of those teams had a good PoA guard.  10/11 other teams in this league have guards that will make very apparent Trae's defensive struggles.  (And as Roy said, same is true with Kyrie)

I agree that Trae's offense can keep him in the game and even net balance out a lot of his defense.  I don't think he's unplayable by any means.  But these playoff series will look a lot different for him than the first two rounds of the playoffs.  I imagine it looking like what Lowry and VanVleet did to Kemba in 2020.  But note that we still survived that series!  But we also had a much more athletic help defense squad behind Kemba than Minnesota has behind Trae here.
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Re: 2021 CB Roster Thread
« Reply #58 on: September 14, 2021, 10:13:24 AM »

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I’m surprised to see Toronto listed as a candidate for best team, and I’m also a bit surprised to see fairly little love for San Antonio (in particular from one of Lebron’s #1 fans).

Here's what I see in Toronto:

-Two elite creators in Harden and Zion when either of them have the ball in their hands.
-Harden is already probably the best PnR point guard we've seen in the league over the past few years.  (At least top 3)  Zion would be the most tantalizing roll man he's ever had.
-Duncan Robinson at the 3 and Vucevic at the 5 are great floor-spreading fits alongside those offensive creators.
-I actually like LaMelo starting at the 1 to add more floor spacing, playmaking & creation, and tempo pushing the break.
-Anthony Edwards I think would flourish in a 6th man, off-ball role with all the other players on this team commanding so much attention.  Very much an unknown, but just an opinion I have.

Edit: I don't know if Zion is "elite" yet at creating, but as last season progressed he was creating more and more with pretty consistently elite results.  I expect it to continue.
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Re: 2021 CB Roster Thread
« Reply #59 on: September 14, 2021, 10:14:37 AM »

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My problem with Young is that he's dangerously close to unplayable on defense. With the level of offensive talent in this league, you're going to have a tough time hiding him.

“Close to unplayable” is pretty wild hyperbole, isn’t it?
I think so, given he just led his team to two victories over higher-seeded playoff teams
I wrote a post about this in a thread way back, but Trae/ATL got incredibly favorable matchups in the playoffs because neither of those teams had a good PoA guard.  10/11 other teams in this league have guards that will make very apparent Trae's defensive struggles.  (And as Roy said, same is true with Kyrie)

I agree that Trae's offense can keep him in the game and even net balance out a lot of his defense.  I don't think he's unplayable by any means.  But these playoff series will look a lot different for him than the first two rounds of the playoffs.  I imagine it looking like what Lowry and VanVleet did to Kemba in 2020.  But note that we still survived that series!  But we also had a much more athletic help defense squad behind Kemba than Minnesota has behind Trae here.

I think that’s fair.  My thought has always been that a team can survive a bad defender, and maybe two, but the rest of the team has to be extremely good to cover for them. 

So, it’s a given that Minnesota  will give up a lot of points.  They’re definitely not a “balanced” team.  But, who stops them?  I can’t imagine having to stop Embiid, Beal and Young, with high efficiency guys like Collins, Barnes and Bogs.  If nothing else, that team will live at the line.  Embiid (1st), Beal (6th) and Yound (4th) were all top-6 in FTAs.


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