Rumor: Celtics Target Okongwu

[Darth_Yoda]

OK.  Let's try to tie in a few of these rumors out there:

1. Boston wants Okongwu.
2. Hayward wants to opt out.
3. Warriors want to trade #2 pick for good veteran player.

What if Boston offered GSW package around Hayward and picks (most certainly including 14, and probably 26) for 2nd pick, and drafted Okongwu with it?  Hayward would have to opt out, and sign long term deal starting at $17mm, which is the trade exemption held by GSW.  If GSW agreed to pay Hayward 4 year deal starting at $17, with annual max bumps, for max term (is that 4 years?), would he consider that?

I think Boston is more likely to trade Hayward than Smart.  I think if Boston really wants Okongwu, they have to acknowledge that they are building to win it all a couple of years down the road, when Smart is still in his prime, but Gordon is not. But I don't know if the ## really make sense, because Hayward would be able to make more $$ either by not opting out, or by opting out and signing with a team having more cap space.

The only alternative would be Hayward and 14th pick for Wiggins and 2nd pick. That would be salary cap nightmare for Boston, though, so I doubt that would happen.

I don't think you are too far off, but I think Wiggins would need to be diverted to a third team. That team would have to be desperate for talent, ticket sales, or scoring on the wing. Then that third team could send another rotation big, shooter, or bench scorer back to the Cs. Teams like the Hornets, Knicks, Cavs, Pistons, Magic, Wizards, and Kings all come to mind. Players like Cody Zeller, Julius Randle, Andre Drummond, Larry Nance Jr., Luke Kennard, Nikola Vucevic, Aaron Gordon, Terrance Ross, Nemanja Bjelica, and Buddy Hield all come to mind.

Those players have a wide range of values in the NBA and to their current teams. Those valuations are not something we are privy to right now. But I could see each of those teams being interested in Wiggins and potentially being willing to trade those players if they right deal came along.

The question is whether or not Okungwu is worth that.

Potentially, yes.

But honestly, Timelord is worth Okongwu, if Timelord had some beans in the pot, so to speak.


I do not think that Wiggins is the massive negative that fans make him out to be and there should be a number of teams that would take him on.

IMO, Charlotte being one.

Hayward + Zeller (Zeller into the TPE) to GSW.
Wiggins, Poirier, Edwards #26 and #47 to Charlotte (and a promise that the Celtics WILL NOT draft Wiseman along with getting a TPE worth Zellers contract)
Monk, #32(from Charlotte) and #2 to Boston (along with a 28 million dollar TPE)

GSW has the MLE and remaining TPE to polish roster

Curry
Klay
Hayward
Draymond
Zeller

Charlotte has picks 3(wiseman) 26 and 47 as well as a TPE to use
Graham
Rozier
Wiggins
Washington
Wiseman

Boston has a large TPE to go after Woods or Gallo, adds Okongwu at #2 and adds some bench depth in Monk.
14th pick on a PG/SG combo (Hampton)
30th on a sf/pf combo (T. Bey, Woodard, McDaniels)
32nd on a sf/pf combo (T. Bey, Woodard, McDaniels)
Sign Waters

Kemba/Smart/Waters
Brown/Monk/Hampton
Tatum/Romeo/Woodard
Wood/GrantW/McDaniels
Okongwu/Theis/Timelord


https://tradenba.com/trade-machine

[wiley]

OK.  Let's try to tie in a few of these rumors out there:

1. Boston wants Okongwu.
2. Hayward wants to opt out.
3. Warriors want to trade #2 pick for good veteran player.

What if Boston offered GSW package around Hayward and picks (most certainly including 14, and probably 26) for 2nd pick, and drafted Okongwu with it?  Hayward would have to opt out, and sign long term deal starting at $17mm, which is the trade exemption held by GSW.  If GSW agreed to pay Hayward 4 year deal starting at $17, with annual max bumps, for max term (is that 4 years?), would he consider that?

I think Boston is more likely to trade Hayward than Smart.  I think if Boston really wants Okongwu, they have to acknowledge that they are building to win it all a couple of years down the road, when Smart is still in his prime, but Gordon is not. But I don't know if the ## really make sense, because Hayward would be able to make more $$ either by not opting out, or by opting out and signing with a team having more cap space.

The only alternative would be Hayward and 14th pick for Wiggins and 2nd pick. That would be salary cap nightmare for Boston, though, so I doubt that would happen.

I don't think you are too far off, but I think Wiggins would need to be diverted to a third team. That team would have to be desperate for talent, ticket sales, or scoring on the wing. Then that third team could send another rotation big, shooter, or bench scorer back to the Cs. Teams like the Hornets, Knicks, Cavs, Pistons, Magic, Wizards, and Kings all come to mind. Players like Cody Zeller, Julius Randle, Andre Drummond, Larry Nance Jr., Luke Kennard, Nikola Vucevic, Aaron Gordon, Terrance Ross, Nemanja Bjelica, and Buddy Hield all come to mind.

Those players have a wide range of values in the NBA and to their current teams. Those valuations are not something we are privy to right now. But I could see each of those teams being interested in Wiggins and potentially being willing to trade those players if they right deal came along.

The question is whether or not Okungwu is worth that.

Potentially, yes.

But honestly, Timelord is worth Okongwu, if Timelord had some beans in the pot, so to speak.


I do not think that Wiggins is the massive negative that fans make him out to be and there should be a number of teams that would take him on.

IMO, Charlotte being one.

Hayward + Zeller (Zeller into the TPE) to GSW.
Wiggins, Poirier, Edwards #26 and #47 to Charlotte (and a promise that the Celtics WILL NOT draft Wiseman along with getting a TPE worth Zellers contract)
Monk, #32(from Charlotte) and #2 to Boston (along with a 28 million dollar TPE)

GSW has the MLE and remaining TPE to polish roster

Curry
Klay
Hayward
Draymond
Zeller

Charlotte has picks 3(wiseman) 26 and 47 as well as a TPE to use
Graham
Rozier
Wiggins
Washington
Wiseman

Boston has a large TPE to go after Woods or Gallo, adds Okongwu at #2 and adds some bench depth in Monk.
14th pick on a PG/SG combo (Hampton)
30th on a sf/pf combo (T. Bey, Woodard, McDaniels)
32nd on a sf/pf combo (T. Bey, Woodard, McDaniels)
Sign Waters

Kemba/Smart/Waters
Brown/Monk/Hampton
Tatum/Romeo/Woodard
Wood/GrantW/McDaniels
Okongwu/Theis/Timelord


https://tradenba.com/trade-machine

Unless Cody Zeller is much better than I realize, I would think that could get the Warriors GM fired..

[Darth_Yoda]

OK.  Let's try to tie in a few of these rumors out there:

1. Boston wants Okongwu.
2. Hayward wants to opt out.
3. Warriors want to trade #2 pick for good veteran player.

What if Boston offered GSW package around Hayward and picks (most certainly including 14, and probably 26) for 2nd pick, and drafted Okongwu with it?  Hayward would have to opt out, and sign long term deal starting at $17mm, which is the trade exemption held by GSW.  If GSW agreed to pay Hayward 4 year deal starting at $17, with annual max bumps, for max term (is that 4 years?), would he consider that?

I think Boston is more likely to trade Hayward than Smart.  I think if Boston really wants Okongwu, they have to acknowledge that they are building to win it all a couple of years down the road, when Smart is still in his prime, but Gordon is not. But I don't know if the ## really make sense, because Hayward would be able to make more $$ either by not opting out, or by opting out and signing with a team having more cap space.

The only alternative would be Hayward and 14th pick for Wiggins and 2nd pick. That would be salary cap nightmare for Boston, though, so I doubt that would happen.

I don't think you are too far off, but I think Wiggins would need to be diverted to a third team. That team would have to be desperate for talent, ticket sales, or scoring on the wing. Then that third team could send another rotation big, shooter, or bench scorer back to the Cs. Teams like the Hornets, Knicks, Cavs, Pistons, Magic, Wizards, and Kings all come to mind. Players like Cody Zeller, Julius Randle, Andre Drummond, Larry Nance Jr., Luke Kennard, Nikola Vucevic, Aaron Gordon, Terrance Ross, Nemanja Bjelica, and Buddy Hield all come to mind.

Those players have a wide range of values in the NBA and to their current teams. Those valuations are not something we are privy to right now. But I could see each of those teams being interested in Wiggins and potentially being willing to trade those players if they right deal came along.

The question is whether or not Okungwu is worth that.

Potentially, yes.

But honestly, Timelord is worth Okongwu, if Timelord had some beans in the pot, so to speak.


I do not think that Wiggins is the massive negative that fans make him out to be and there should be a number of teams that would take him on.

IMO, Charlotte being one.

Hayward + Zeller (Zeller into the TPE) to GSW.
Wiggins, Poirier, Edwards #26 and #47 to Charlotte (and a promise that the Celtics WILL NOT draft Wiseman along with getting a TPE worth Zellers contract)
Monk, #32(from Charlotte) and #2 to Boston (along with a 28 million dollar TPE)

GSW has the MLE and remaining TPE to polish roster

Curry
Klay
Hayward
Draymond
Zeller

Charlotte has picks 3(wiseman) 26 and 47 as well as a TPE to use
Graham
Rozier
Wiggins
Washington
Wiseman

Boston has a large TPE to go after Woods or Gallo, adds Okongwu at #2 and adds some bench depth in Monk.
14th pick on a PG/SG combo (Hampton)
30th on a sf/pf combo (T. Bey, Woodard, McDaniels)
32nd on a sf/pf combo (T. Bey, Woodard, McDaniels)
Sign Waters

Kemba/Smart/Waters
Brown/Monk/Hampton
Tatum/Romeo/Woodard
Wood/GrantW/McDaniels
Okongwu/Theis/Timelord


https://tradenba.com/trade-machine

Unless Cody Zeller is much better than I realize, I would think that could get the Warriors GM fired..

I know they want a big body, but he can easily be left out of the deal

[gouki88]

OK.  Let's try to tie in a few of these rumors out there:

1. Boston wants Okongwu.
2. Hayward wants to opt out.
3. Warriors want to trade #2 pick for good veteran player.

What if Boston offered GSW package around Hayward and picks (most certainly including 14, and probably 26) for 2nd pick, and drafted Okongwu with it?  Hayward would have to opt out, and sign long term deal starting at $17mm, which is the trade exemption held by GSW.  If GSW agreed to pay Hayward 4 year deal starting at $17, with annual max bumps, for max term (is that 4 years?), would he consider that?

I think Boston is more likely to trade Hayward than Smart.  I think if Boston really wants Okongwu, they have to acknowledge that they are building to win it all a couple of years down the road, when Smart is still in his prime, but Gordon is not. But I don't know if the ## really make sense, because Hayward would be able to make more $$ either by not opting out, or by opting out and signing with a team having more cap space.

The only alternative would be Hayward and 14th pick for Wiggins and 2nd pick. That would be salary cap nightmare for Boston, though, so I doubt that would happen.

I don't think you are too far off, but I think Wiggins would need to be diverted to a third team. That team would have to be desperate for talent, ticket sales, or scoring on the wing. Then that third team could send another rotation big, shooter, or bench scorer back to the Cs. Teams like the Hornets, Knicks, Cavs, Pistons, Magic, Wizards, and Kings all come to mind. Players like Cody Zeller, Julius Randle, Andre Drummond, Larry Nance Jr., Luke Kennard, Nikola Vucevic, Aaron Gordon, Terrance Ross, Nemanja Bjelica, and Buddy Hield all come to mind.

Those players have a wide range of values in the NBA and to their current teams. Those valuations are not something we are privy to right now. But I could see each of those teams being interested in Wiggins and potentially being willing to trade those players if they right deal came along.

The question is whether or not Okungwu is worth that.

Potentially, yes.

But honestly, Timelord is worth Okongwu, if Timelord had some beans in the pot, so to speak.


I do not think that Wiggins is the massive negative that fans make him out to be and there should be a number of teams that would take him on.

IMO, Charlotte being one.

Hayward + Zeller (Zeller into the TPE) to GSW.
Wiggins, Poirier, Edwards #26 and #47 to Charlotte (and a promise that the Celtics WILL NOT draft Wiseman along with getting a TPE worth Zellers contract)
Monk, #32(from Charlotte) and #2 to Boston (along with a 28 million dollar TPE)

GSW has the MLE and remaining TPE to polish roster

Curry
Klay
Hayward
Draymond
Zeller

Charlotte has picks 3(wiseman) 26 and 47 as well as a TPE to use
Graham
Rozier
Wiggins
Washington
Wiseman

Boston has a large TPE to go after Woods or Gallo, adds Okongwu at #2 and adds some bench depth in Monk.
14th pick on a PG/SG combo (Hampton)
30th on a sf/pf combo (T. Bey, Woodard, McDaniels)
32nd on a sf/pf combo (T. Bey, Woodard, McDaniels)
Sign Waters

Kemba/Smart/Waters
Brown/Monk/Hampton
Tatum/Romeo/Woodard
Wood/GrantW/McDaniels
Okongwu/Theis/Timelord


https://tradenba.com/trade-machine

Unless Cody Zeller is much better than I realize, I would think that could get the Warriors GM fired..

I know they want a big body, but he can easily be left out of the deal

The Warriors could do much better with the #2 than one year of Hayward

[Darth_Yoda]

OK.  Let's try to tie in a few of these rumors out there:

1. Boston wants Okongwu.
2. Hayward wants to opt out.
3. Warriors want to trade #2 pick for good veteran player.

What if Boston offered GSW package around Hayward and picks (most certainly including 14, and probably 26) for 2nd pick, and drafted Okongwu with it?  Hayward would have to opt out, and sign long term deal starting at $17mm, which is the trade exemption held by GSW.  If GSW agreed to pay Hayward 4 year deal starting at $17, with annual max bumps, for max term (is that 4 years?), would he consider that?

I think Boston is more likely to trade Hayward than Smart.  I think if Boston really wants Okongwu, they have to acknowledge that they are building to win it all a couple of years down the road, when Smart is still in his prime, but Gordon is not. But I don't know if the ## really make sense, because Hayward would be able to make more $$ either by not opting out, or by opting out and signing with a team having more cap space.

The only alternative would be Hayward and 14th pick for Wiggins and 2nd pick. That would be salary cap nightmare for Boston, though, so I doubt that would happen.

I don't think you are too far off, but I think Wiggins would need to be diverted to a third team. That team would have to be desperate for talent, ticket sales, or scoring on the wing. Then that third team could send another rotation big, shooter, or bench scorer back to the Cs. Teams like the Hornets, Knicks, Cavs, Pistons, Magic, Wizards, and Kings all come to mind. Players like Cody Zeller, Julius Randle, Andre Drummond, Larry Nance Jr., Luke Kennard, Nikola Vucevic, Aaron Gordon, Terrance Ross, Nemanja Bjelica, and Buddy Hield all come to mind.

Those players have a wide range of values in the NBA and to their current teams. Those valuations are not something we are privy to right now. But I could see each of those teams being interested in Wiggins and potentially being willing to trade those players if they right deal came along.

The question is whether or not Okungwu is worth that.

Potentially, yes.

But honestly, Timelord is worth Okongwu, if Timelord had some beans in the pot, so to speak.


I do not think that Wiggins is the massive negative that fans make him out to be and there should be a number of teams that would take him on.

IMO, Charlotte being one.

Hayward + Zeller (Zeller into the TPE) to GSW.
Wiggins, Poirier, Edwards #26 and #47 to Charlotte (and a promise that the Celtics WILL NOT draft Wiseman along with getting a TPE worth Zellers contract)
Monk, #32(from Charlotte) and #2 to Boston (along with a 28 million dollar TPE)

GSW has the MLE and remaining TPE to polish roster

Curry
Klay
Hayward
Draymond
Zeller

Charlotte has picks 3(wiseman) 26 and 47 as well as a TPE to use
Graham
Rozier
Wiggins
Washington
Wiseman

Boston has a large TPE to go after Woods or Gallo, adds Okongwu at #2 and adds some bench depth in Monk.
14th pick on a PG/SG combo (Hampton)
30th on a sf/pf combo (T. Bey, Woodard, McDaniels)
32nd on a sf/pf combo (T. Bey, Woodard, McDaniels)
Sign Waters

Kemba/Smart/Waters
Brown/Monk/Hampton
Tatum/Romeo/Woodard
Wood/GrantW/McDaniels
Okongwu/Theis/Timelord


https://tradenba.com/trade-machine

Unless Cody Zeller is much better than I realize, I would think that could get the Warriors GM fired..

I know they want a big body, but he can easily be left out of the deal

The Warriors could do much better with the #2 than one year of Hayward

I dont  see the number 2 as being worth more than Hayward,
Not sure it would be for a single year, why would Hayward leave there?
They also get rid of Wiggins.

[gouki88]

OK.  Let's try to tie in a few of these rumors out there:

1. Boston wants Okongwu.
2. Hayward wants to opt out.
3. Warriors want to trade #2 pick for good veteran player.

What if Boston offered GSW package around Hayward and picks (most certainly including 14, and probably 26) for 2nd pick, and drafted Okongwu with it?  Hayward would have to opt out, and sign long term deal starting at $17mm, which is the trade exemption held by GSW.  If GSW agreed to pay Hayward 4 year deal starting at $17, with annual max bumps, for max term (is that 4 years?), would he consider that?

I think Boston is more likely to trade Hayward than Smart.  I think if Boston really wants Okongwu, they have to acknowledge that they are building to win it all a couple of years down the road, when Smart is still in his prime, but Gordon is not. But I don't know if the ## really make sense, because Hayward would be able to make more $$ either by not opting out, or by opting out and signing with a team having more cap space.

The only alternative would be Hayward and 14th pick for Wiggins and 2nd pick. That would be salary cap nightmare for Boston, though, so I doubt that would happen.

I don't think you are too far off, but I think Wiggins would need to be diverted to a third team. That team would have to be desperate for talent, ticket sales, or scoring on the wing. Then that third team could send another rotation big, shooter, or bench scorer back to the Cs. Teams like the Hornets, Knicks, Cavs, Pistons, Magic, Wizards, and Kings all come to mind. Players like Cody Zeller, Julius Randle, Andre Drummond, Larry Nance Jr., Luke Kennard, Nikola Vucevic, Aaron Gordon, Terrance Ross, Nemanja Bjelica, and Buddy Hield all come to mind.

Those players have a wide range of values in the NBA and to their current teams. Those valuations are not something we are privy to right now. But I could see each of those teams being interested in Wiggins and potentially being willing to trade those players if they right deal came along.

The question is whether or not Okungwu is worth that.

Potentially, yes.

But honestly, Timelord is worth Okongwu, if Timelord had some beans in the pot, so to speak.


I do not think that Wiggins is the massive negative that fans make him out to be and there should be a number of teams that would take him on.

IMO, Charlotte being one.

Hayward + Zeller (Zeller into the TPE) to GSW.
Wiggins, Poirier, Edwards #26 and #47 to Charlotte (and a promise that the Celtics WILL NOT draft Wiseman along with getting a TPE worth Zellers contract)
Monk, #32(from Charlotte) and #2 to Boston (along with a 28 million dollar TPE)

GSW has the MLE and remaining TPE to polish roster

Curry
Klay
Hayward
Draymond
Zeller

Charlotte has picks 3(wiseman) 26 and 47 as well as a TPE to use
Graham
Rozier
Wiggins
Washington
Wiseman

Boston has a large TPE to go after Woods or Gallo, adds Okongwu at #2 and adds some bench depth in Monk.
14th pick on a PG/SG combo (Hampton)
30th on a sf/pf combo (T. Bey, Woodard, McDaniels)
32nd on a sf/pf combo (T. Bey, Woodard, McDaniels)
Sign Waters

Kemba/Smart/Waters
Brown/Monk/Hampton
Tatum/Romeo/Woodard
Wood/GrantW/McDaniels
Okongwu/Theis/Timelord


https://tradenba.com/trade-machine

Unless Cody Zeller is much better than I realize, I would think that could get the Warriors GM fired..

I know they want a big body, but he can easily be left out of the deal

The Warriors could do much better with the #2 than one year of Hayward

I dont  see the number 2 as being worth more than Hayward,
Not sure it would be for a single year, why would Hayward leave there?
They also get rid of Wiggins.

I don't think living on the West coast appeals at all to the Indiana-residing Hayward family.

[MattyIce]

OK.  Let's try to tie in a few of these rumors out there:

1. Boston wants Okongwu.
2. Hayward wants to opt out.
3. Warriors want to trade #2 pick for good veteran player.

What if Boston offered GSW package around Hayward and picks (most certainly including 14, and probably 26) for 2nd pick, and drafted Okongwu with it?  Hayward would have to opt out, and sign long term deal starting at $17mm, which is the trade exemption held by GSW.  If GSW agreed to pay Hayward 4 year deal starting at $17, with annual max bumps, for max term (is that 4 years?), would he consider that?

I think Boston is more likely to trade Hayward than Smart.  I think if Boston really wants Okongwu, they have to acknowledge that they are building to win it all a couple of years down the road, when Smart is still in his prime, but Gordon is not. But I don't know if the ## really make sense, because Hayward would be able to make more $$ either by not opting out, or by opting out and signing with a team having more cap space.

The only alternative would be Hayward and 14th pick for Wiggins and 2nd pick. That would be salary cap nightmare for Boston, though, so I doubt that would happen.

I don't think you are too far off, but I think Wiggins would need to be diverted to a third team. That team would have to be desperate for talent, ticket sales, or scoring on the wing. Then that third team could send another rotation big, shooter, or bench scorer back to the Cs. Teams like the Hornets, Knicks, Cavs, Pistons, Magic, Wizards, and Kings all come to mind. Players like Cody Zeller, Julius Randle, Andre Drummond, Larry Nance Jr., Luke Kennard, Nikola Vucevic, Aaron Gordon, Terrance Ross, Nemanja Bjelica, and Buddy Hield all come to mind.

Those players have a wide range of values in the NBA and to their current teams. Those valuations are not something we are privy to right now. But I could see each of those teams being interested in Wiggins and potentially being willing to trade those players if they right deal came along.

The question is whether or not Okungwu is worth that.

Potentially, yes.

But honestly, Timelord is worth Okongwu, if Timelord had some beans in the pot, so to speak.


I do not think that Wiggins is the massive negative that fans make him out to be and there should be a number of teams that would take him on.

IMO, Charlotte being one.

Hayward + Zeller (Zeller into the TPE) to GSW.
Wiggins, Poirier, Edwards #26 and #47 to Charlotte (and a promise that the Celtics WILL NOT draft Wiseman along with getting a TPE worth Zellers contract)
Monk, #32(from Charlotte) and #2 to Boston (along with a 28 million dollar TPE)

GSW has the MLE and remaining TPE to polish roster

Curry
Klay
Hayward
Draymond
Zeller

Charlotte has picks 3(wiseman) 26 and 47 as well as a TPE to use
Graham
Rozier
Wiggins
Washington
Wiseman

Boston has a large TPE to go after Woods or Gallo, adds Okongwu at #2 and adds some bench depth in Monk.
14th pick on a PG/SG combo (Hampton)
30th on a sf/pf combo (T. Bey, Woodard, McDaniels)
32nd on a sf/pf combo (T. Bey, Woodard, McDaniels)
Sign Waters

Kemba/Smart/Waters
Brown/Monk/Hampton
Tatum/Romeo/Woodard
Wood/GrantW/McDaniels
Okongwu/Theis/Timelord


https://tradenba.com/trade-machine

Unless Cody Zeller is much better than I realize, I would think that could get the Warriors GM fired..

I know they want a big body, but he can easily be left out of the deal

The Warriors could do much better with the #2 than one year of Hayward

I dont  see the number 2 as being worth more than Hayward,
Not sure it would be for a single year, why would Hayward leave there?
They also get rid of Wiggins.

I don't think living on the West coast appeals at all to the Indiana-residing Hayward family.

didn't he have his off season home there?

[gouki88]

OK.  Let's try to tie in a few of these rumors out there:

1. Boston wants Okongwu.
2. Hayward wants to opt out.
3. Warriors want to trade #2 pick for good veteran player.

What if Boston offered GSW package around Hayward and picks (most certainly including 14, and probably 26) for 2nd pick, and drafted Okongwu with it?  Hayward would have to opt out, and sign long term deal starting at $17mm, which is the trade exemption held by GSW.  If GSW agreed to pay Hayward 4 year deal starting at $17, with annual max bumps, for max term (is that 4 years?), would he consider that?

I think Boston is more likely to trade Hayward than Smart.  I think if Boston really wants Okongwu, they have to acknowledge that they are building to win it all a couple of years down the road, when Smart is still in his prime, but Gordon is not. But I don't know if the ## really make sense, because Hayward would be able to make more $$ either by not opting out, or by opting out and signing with a team having more cap space.

The only alternative would be Hayward and 14th pick for Wiggins and 2nd pick. That would be salary cap nightmare for Boston, though, so I doubt that would happen.

I don't think you are too far off, but I think Wiggins would need to be diverted to a third team. That team would have to be desperate for talent, ticket sales, or scoring on the wing. Then that third team could send another rotation big, shooter, or bench scorer back to the Cs. Teams like the Hornets, Knicks, Cavs, Pistons, Magic, Wizards, and Kings all come to mind. Players like Cody Zeller, Julius Randle, Andre Drummond, Larry Nance Jr., Luke Kennard, Nikola Vucevic, Aaron Gordon, Terrance Ross, Nemanja Bjelica, and Buddy Hield all come to mind.

Those players have a wide range of values in the NBA and to their current teams. Those valuations are not something we are privy to right now. But I could see each of those teams being interested in Wiggins and potentially being willing to trade those players if they right deal came along.

The question is whether or not Okungwu is worth that.

Potentially, yes.

But honestly, Timelord is worth Okongwu, if Timelord had some beans in the pot, so to speak.


I do not think that Wiggins is the massive negative that fans make him out to be and there should be a number of teams that would take him on.

IMO, Charlotte being one.

Hayward + Zeller (Zeller into the TPE) to GSW.
Wiggins, Poirier, Edwards #26 and #47 to Charlotte (and a promise that the Celtics WILL NOT draft Wiseman along with getting a TPE worth Zellers contract)
Monk, #32(from Charlotte) and #2 to Boston (along with a 28 million dollar TPE)

GSW has the MLE and remaining TPE to polish roster

Curry
Klay
Hayward
Draymond
Zeller

Charlotte has picks 3(wiseman) 26 and 47 as well as a TPE to use
Graham
Rozier
Wiggins
Washington
Wiseman

Boston has a large TPE to go after Woods or Gallo, adds Okongwu at #2 and adds some bench depth in Monk.
14th pick on a PG/SG combo (Hampton)
30th on a sf/pf combo (T. Bey, Woodard, McDaniels)
32nd on a sf/pf combo (T. Bey, Woodard, McDaniels)
Sign Waters

Kemba/Smart/Waters
Brown/Monk/Hampton
Tatum/Romeo/Woodard
Wood/GrantW/McDaniels
Okongwu/Theis/Timelord


https://tradenba.com/trade-machine

Unless Cody Zeller is much better than I realize, I would think that could get the Warriors GM fired..

I know they want a big body, but he can easily be left out of the deal

The Warriors could do much better with the #2 than one year of Hayward

I dont  see the number 2 as being worth more than Hayward,
Not sure it would be for a single year, why would Hayward leave there?
They also get rid of Wiggins.

I don't think living on the West coast appeals at all to the Indiana-residing Hayward family.

didn't he have his off season home there?

My understanding was he did, but has since moved to Indianapolis

[mef730]

Looking forward to seeing Okongwu on the Celtics so I can hear Tommy try to pronounce his name.

Mike

[MattyIce]

OK.  Let's try to tie in a few of these rumors out there:

1. Boston wants Okongwu.
2. Hayward wants to opt out.
3. Warriors want to trade #2 pick for good veteran player.

What if Boston offered GSW package around Hayward and picks (most certainly including 14, and probably 26) for 2nd pick, and drafted Okongwu with it?  Hayward would have to opt out, and sign long term deal starting at $17mm, which is the trade exemption held by GSW.  If GSW agreed to pay Hayward 4 year deal starting at $17, with annual max bumps, for max term (is that 4 years?), would he consider that?

I think Boston is more likely to trade Hayward than Smart.  I think if Boston really wants Okongwu, they have to acknowledge that they are building to win it all a couple of years down the road, when Smart is still in his prime, but Gordon is not. But I don't know if the ## really make sense, because Hayward would be able to make more $$ either by not opting out, or by opting out and signing with a team having more cap space.

The only alternative would be Hayward and 14th pick for Wiggins and 2nd pick. That would be salary cap nightmare for Boston, though, so I doubt that would happen.

I don't think you are too far off, but I think Wiggins would need to be diverted to a third team. That team would have to be desperate for talent, ticket sales, or scoring on the wing. Then that third team could send another rotation big, shooter, or bench scorer back to the Cs. Teams like the Hornets, Knicks, Cavs, Pistons, Magic, Wizards, and Kings all come to mind. Players like Cody Zeller, Julius Randle, Andre Drummond, Larry Nance Jr., Luke Kennard, Nikola Vucevic, Aaron Gordon, Terrance Ross, Nemanja Bjelica, and Buddy Hield all come to mind.

Those players have a wide range of values in the NBA and to their current teams. Those valuations are not something we are privy to right now. But I could see each of those teams being interested in Wiggins and potentially being willing to trade those players if they right deal came along.

The question is whether or not Okungwu is worth that.

Potentially, yes.

But honestly, Timelord is worth Okongwu, if Timelord had some beans in the pot, so to speak.


I do not think that Wiggins is the massive negative that fans make him out to be and there should be a number of teams that would take him on.

IMO, Charlotte being one.

Hayward + Zeller (Zeller into the TPE) to GSW.
Wiggins, Poirier, Edwards #26 and #47 to Charlotte (and a promise that the Celtics WILL NOT draft Wiseman along with getting a TPE worth Zellers contract)
Monk, #32(from Charlotte) and #2 to Boston (along with a 28 million dollar TPE)

GSW has the MLE and remaining TPE to polish roster

Curry
Klay
Hayward
Draymond
Zeller

Charlotte has picks 3(wiseman) 26 and 47 as well as a TPE to use
Graham
Rozier
Wiggins
Washington
Wiseman

Boston has a large TPE to go after Woods or Gallo, adds Okongwu at #2 and adds some bench depth in Monk.
14th pick on a PG/SG combo (Hampton)
30th on a sf/pf combo (T. Bey, Woodard, McDaniels)
32nd on a sf/pf combo (T. Bey, Woodard, McDaniels)
Sign Waters

Kemba/Smart/Waters
Brown/Monk/Hampton
Tatum/Romeo/Woodard
Wood/GrantW/McDaniels
Okongwu/Theis/Timelord


https://tradenba.com/trade-machine

Unless Cody Zeller is much better than I realize, I would think that could get the Warriors GM fired..

I know they want a big body, but he can easily be left out of the deal

The Warriors could do much better with the #2 than one year of Hayward

I dont  see the number 2 as being worth more than Hayward,
Not sure it would be for a single year, why would Hayward leave there?
They also get rid of Wiggins.

I don't think living on the West coast appeals at all to the Indiana-residing Hayward family.

didn't he have his off season home there?

My understanding was he did, but has since moved to Indianapolis

ok, from your post it sounded like it didnt appeal to them at all

[boscel33]

Looking forward to seeing Okongwu on the Celtics so I can hear Tommy try to pronounce his name.

Mike

I was at the Vegas Summer League in 2018.  The announcers had a heck of a time with Ojeleye and Yabusele (who btw was a bust of a 1st round pick!).

[Tr1boy]

Hornets widely believed to be targeting a big man in the NBA draft

https://therookiewire.usatoday.com/2020/11/03/charlotte-hornets-nba-draft-rumors-onyeka-okongwu/