Pick 2: Draft Order (order for Coaches round posted on pg 204)

[indeedproceed]

TP to Yoki for the fierce defense of Monta - he's a flawed player, at times deeply flawed, but it sometimes feels like owners here would call him a detriment to any team in any context.  I'm not a fan but he's really not that bad.

I'm not saying that he's one of the best. He's just not as bad. And he's flaws are being covered by the teammates that surrounds him.

Chicago is still a contender, don't mind if everyone else hates the PG.

Yea don't really get all the hate for Monta. He's played on a ton of bad teams, the guys talent is unquestionable

1) Shoots under 40% from the field

2) Is a poor facilitator as a starting PG

3) Extremely poor shot selection

4) Unwilling to change playing style for benefit of the team

5) (personal speculation) Selfish player who puts himself above team's needs

Those are my issues with Monta Ellis. If he's scoring 25 points per game for you, he's taking 25 shots, which is a net negative. He's second from last among qualified point guards in PPS, and his only saving grace is (Name Redacted) being the player we all thought he was.

[Evantime34]

Chicago is a great defensive team(if not the best) but i think they can make the case for worst FG% shooting team

Monta Ellis .399
Andre Iguodala .441
Loul Deng .424
Glen Davis .448
Joakim Noah .458

You still need a four. I like my team defensively better but second place isn't bad.

[BleedGreen1989]

TP to Yoki for the fierce defense of Monta - he's a flawed player, at times deeply flawed, but it sometimes feels like owners here would call him a detriment to any team in any context.  I'm not a fan but he's really not that bad.

I'm not saying that he's one of the best. He's just not as bad. And he's flaws are being covered by the teammates that surrounds him.

Chicago is still a contender, don't mind if everyone else hates the PG.

Yea don't really get all the hate for Monta. He's played on a ton of bad teams, the guys talent is unquestionable

This is probably the best team he has played for and he is having an awful season. That being said he doesn't have the type of players around him that maximize his talents (in Milwaukee)

Yea Jennings is a horrible fit for him. He really needs a pass first PG and a real post presence

[Yoki_IsTheName]

Trade Confirmed   

Washington sends:  Monta Ellis
Chicago sends:  Joe Johnson

I still think Chicago should have traded Deng instead. I like that Bulls team with Monta alongside JJ and Iggy on the wings. Less so with Deng there and no JJ.

I think Chicago would have been better off dumping Glen Davis and keeping their JJ, Iggy and Deng trio than making this move.

Very good upgrade for Washington. JJ is a really good player and he should fit in reasonably well alongside Tony Parker and Pau Gasol.

Reason as to why Chicago agreed to take cursed Monta is because of Deng and Iggy. They can cover up whatever defensive flaw Ellis has.

JJ and Monta would be like Jennings and Monta, fighting over shots and not having good defense to give back. With Deng and Iggy, Monta can chuck shots, drop 30, and get covered defensively because both are stellar wing defenders.

I think having that (1) extra ball-handler and passer in JJ as well as having (2) a true 2nd shot-creator and (3) quality strong long distance jump-shooter alongside Monta ... was very important to your offense working.

There isn't enough spacing now and there is no plan B when Monta isn't able to generate a quality shot for himself. Teams can back off Deng and Iggy and clog the driving lanes when Monta is on the ball. They can back off of Monta too and dare him into long jumpers. And when that happens neither Deng or Iggy (or Brand or Noah) are strong enough shot-creators to give you a quality second option offensively. The offense will still be one of the weaker ones in the league.

The perimeter defense with Monta, Iggy and Deng is spectacular but Chicago still would have had one of the best perimeter defenses in the league with Monta, JJ and Iggy.

I think you've lost more offensively than you have gained defensively by choosing Deng over JJ.

I disagree.

While they are not shooting well from behind the arc, it's not a good idea to leave Deng and Iggy alone there. Besides, Deng always parks himself in the three point area, so he stretches the defense already, lay back on him and MOnta will find him 1-3 times, and he can hit that shot.

Big Baby has a perimeter game, he can run pick and pops with Monta, opening the floor for him once more to use that Mississippi Bullet speed of his and his ability to finish.

There is enough ability for this team to create floor spacing for Monta. Again, they may not be shooting at an efficient rate, but I dare anyone to leave Iggy and Deng wide open behind the arc. I dare anyone to leave Big Baby wide open 10-17 feet in the perimeter, because they can hit those shots and Monta can find them open.

And with the defense, Deng is way better than JJ.

[indeedproceed]

TP to Yoki for the fierce defense of Monta - he's a flawed player, at times deeply flawed, but it sometimes feels like owners here would call him a detriment to any team in any context.  I'm not a fan but he's really not that bad.

I'm not saying that he's one of the best. He's just not as bad. And he's flaws are being covered by the teammates that surrounds him.

Chicago is still a contender, don't mind if everyone else hates the PG.

Yea don't really get all the hate for Monta. He's played on a ton of bad teams, the guys talent is unquestionable

This is probably the best team he has played for and he is having an awful season. That being said he doesn't have the type of players around him that maximize his talents (in Milwaukee)

Yea Jennings is a horrible fit for him. He really needs a pass first PG and a real post presence

In defense of Yoki's team (and the teams Ellis has been on), what I think Ellis really needs are floor-spacing bigs, and versatile, elite-passing wings.

He's managed to assemble that, at least with Glen Davis's jumper.

Still, I don't think any team that needs Ellis to be its leading scorer can be a contender.

[BleedGreen1989]

TP to Yoki for the fierce defense of Monta - he's a flawed player, at times deeply flawed, but it sometimes feels like owners here would call him a detriment to any team in any context.  I'm not a fan but he's really not that bad.

I'm not saying that he's one of the best. He's just not as bad. And he's flaws are being covered by the teammates that surrounds him.

Chicago is still a contender, don't mind if everyone else hates the PG.

Yea don't really get all the hate for Monta. He's played on a ton of bad teams, the guys talent is unquestionable

1) Shoots under 40% from the field

2) Is a poor facilitator as a starting PG

3) Extremely poor shot selection

4) Unwilling to change playing style for benefit of the team

5) (personal speculation) Selfish player who puts himself above team's needs

Those are my issues with Monta Ellis. If he's scoring 25 points per game for you, he's taking 25 shots, which is a net negative. He's second from last among qualified point guards in PPS, and his only saving grace is (Name Redacted) being the player we all thought he was.

For starters I personally don't view him as a PG at all. He's an undersized two. Also, playing on bad teams he's forced to put up a lot of shots, I mean who else is going to score in Miluakee? He has his flaws but I have yet to see him in a situation in real life where I think he fits.

[ronaldo943]

Chicago is a great defensive team(if not the best) but i think they can make the case for worst FG% shooting team

Monta Ellis .399
Andre Iguodala .441
Loul Deng .424
Glen Davis .448
Joakim Noah .458

When you add all these numbers and divide by 5 you get .434
but with
Monta 17 shots
Iggy 11 shots
Loul Deng 15 shots
Glen Davis 14 shots
Joakim Noah 10 shots

You can argue thats its a .432 team

Also Big Baby is out for like 3 months i think

[Yoki_IsTheName]

TP to Yoki for the fierce defense of Monta - he's a flawed player, at times deeply flawed, but it sometimes feels like owners here would call him a detriment to any team in any context.  I'm not a fan but he's really not that bad.

I'm not saying that he's one of the best. He's just not as bad. And he's flaws are being covered by the teammates that surrounds him.

Chicago is still a contender, don't mind if everyone else hates the PG.

Yea don't really get all the hate for Monta. He's played on a ton of bad teams, the guys talent is unquestionable

1) Shoots under 40% from the field

2) Is a poor facilitator as a starting PG

3) Extremely poor shot selection

4) Unwilling to change playing style for benefit of the team

5) (personal speculation) Selfish player who puts himself above team's needs

Those are my issues with Monta Ellis. If he's scoring 25 points per game for you, he's taking 25 shots, which is a net negative. He's second from last among qualified point guards in PPS, and his only saving grace is (Name Redacted) being the player we all thought he was.

1. That is true, but as long as he drops 25, Chicago doesnt mind.

2. As poor as he is, he averages 5 assists per game. He can find open team mates. Also, Iggy CAN set him up for easier shots.

3. He doesnt have to change playing style with this team.

4. He's over the mo-ped thing.

He's not the perfect player. He's not better than JJ, I get that. But he would not have a problem playing with this team.

[indeedproceed]

TP to Yoki for the fierce defense of Monta - he's a flawed player, at times deeply flawed, but it sometimes feels like owners here would call him a detriment to any team in any context.  I'm not a fan but he's really not that bad.

I'm not saying that he's one of the best. He's just not as bad. And he's flaws are being covered by the teammates that surrounds him.

Chicago is still a contender, don't mind if everyone else hates the PG.

Yea don't really get all the hate for Monta. He's played on a ton of bad teams, the guys talent is unquestionable

1) Shoots under 40% from the field

2) Is a poor facilitator as a starting PG

3) Extremely poor shot selection

4) Unwilling to change playing style for benefit of the team

5) (personal speculation) Selfish player who puts himself above team's needs

Those are my issues with Monta Ellis. If he's scoring 25 points per game for you, he's taking 25 shots, which is a net negative. He's second from last among qualified point guards in PPS, and his only saving grace is (Name Redacted) being the player we all thought he was.

For starters I personally don't view him as a PG at all. He's an undersized two. Also, playing on bad teams he's forced to put up a lot of shots, I mean who else is going to score in Miluakee? He has his flaws but I have yet to see him in a situation in real life where I think he fits.

That might be because the only place Monta really 'fits' is in 2008 highlight reels with people rocking 'We Believe' t-shirts.**





**Sorry, I don't actually believe that, Monta's not that bad of a player, just the zing was too good. I had to give it life.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

Chicago is a great defensive team(if not the best) but i think they can make the case for worst FG% shooting team

Monta Ellis .399
Andre Iguodala .441
Loul Deng .424
Glen Davis .448
Joakim Noah .458

When you add all these numbers and divide by 5 you get .434
but with
Monta 17 shots
Iggy 11 shots
Loul Deng 15 shots
Glen Davis 14 shots
Joakim Noah 10 shots

You can argue thats its a .432 team

Also Big Baby is out for like 3 months i think

43% is fine by us. We can improve that. But lets not forget, shut down wings, very good defensive anchor, a big who can take charges, rebounding like crazy? We can be a 43% shooting team, but we'll hold opponents to 40%

Also, Rondo, Varejao, Lou Williams are out for the year. Love and Pau are out for weeks as well, I don't see the argument here?

BTW, I once created a buzz in this draft because of a trade I made. My mission is complete.

[Lucky17]

I like the trade for both teams.

Yoki did well to preserve the defensive backbone of his team, got younger and cleared cap space, gets a better fit for his roster.

[ronaldo943]

Chicago is a great defensive team(if not the best) but i think they can make the case for worst FG% shooting team

Monta Ellis .399
Andre Iguodala .441
Loul Deng .424
Glen Davis .448
Joakim Noah .458

When you add all these numbers and divide by 5 you get .434
but with
Monta 17 shots
Iggy 11 shots
Loul Deng 15 shots
Glen Davis 14 shots
Joakim Noah 10 shots

You can argue thats its a .432 team

Also Big Baby is out for like 3 months i think

43% is fine by us. We can improve that. But lets not forget, shut down wings, very good defensive anchor, a big who can take charges, rebounding like crazy? We can be a 43% shooting team, but we'll hold opponents to 40%

Also, Rondo, Varejao, Lou Williams are out for the year. Love and Pau are out for weeks as well, I don't see the argument here?

BTW, I once created a buzz in this draft because of a trade I made. My mission is complete.

I hope 40%(i'd say probably also around 43%) is an exaggeration, it is a great team though but no floor spacing

Monta Ellis .227 3P% Worse for PG
Iggy .310 3P% Second worse for SG
Loul Deng .312 3P% 5th worse for SF

If you can bring in high efficient shooters your team will be even better but for now you hold the worse FG% and 3P% but in my opinion one of the best defenses and i'd guess you are still a contender


Edit: It is a lot like the real Chicago team

[indeedproceed]

While we're waiting for KGsKnee to break my heart or not:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-InMEVCcAV8

You're welcome.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

Chicago is a great defensive team(if not the best) but i think they can make the case for worst FG% shooting team

Monta Ellis .399
Andre Iguodala .441
Loul Deng .424
Glen Davis .448
Joakim Noah .458

When you add all these numbers and divide by 5 you get .434
but with
Monta 17 shots
Iggy 11 shots
Loul Deng 15 shots
Glen Davis 14 shots
Joakim Noah 10 shots

You can argue thats its a .432 team

Also Big Baby is out for like 3 months i think

43% is fine by us. We can improve that. But lets not forget, shut down wings, very good defensive anchor, a big who can take charges, rebounding like crazy? We can be a 43% shooting team, but we'll hold opponents to 40%

Also, Rondo, Varejao, Lou Williams are out for the year. Love and Pau are out for weeks as well, I don't see the argument here?

BTW, I once created a buzz in this draft because of a trade I made. My mission is complete.

I hope 40% is an exaggeration, it is a great team though but no floor spacing

Monta Ellis .227 3P% Worse for PG
Iggy .310 3P% Second worse for SG
Loul Deng .312 3P% 5th worse for SF

If you can bring in high efficient shooters your team will be even better but for now you hold the worse FG% and 3P% but in my opinion one of the best defenses and i'd guess you are still a contender

Again, I dare any team to leave Deng, Iggy and Baby wide open on three point landia and perimeter. They are shooting ineffectively this season, but their game is perimeter shots. They will hit those shots.

Teams want to clog the lanes, dare us to be beat by Deng and Iggy shooting threes? Fine by us, because they will hit those.

[Lucky17]

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