Cavs/Beilein likely to part ways

[Jiri Welsch]

Cavs and Beilein discussing parting ways

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/28720022/sources-cavaliers-coach-john-beilein-discussed-possibility-stepping-down

[Donoghus]

Cavs and Beilein discussing parting ways

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/28720022/sources-cavaliers-coach-john-beilein-discussed-possibility-stepping-down

Color me shocked.

A 67 year old career college coach has trouble adjusting to the professional ranks? 

[Fafnir]

Yeah this is less and less surprising to me the more I learn about the details of how his coaching style works and how it has rubbed even a lot of college kids wrong initially.

Gilbert became to enamored with the idea of landing a college coach and how well it "would" work. He's offered the job to multiple other college coaches in the past according to Windhorst.

Still its nuts he might be gone midseason after signing a 5 year deal, reminds me of Bobby Petrino.

[Moranis]

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/28720022/sources-cavaliers-coach-john-beilein-discussed-possibility-stepping-down

He is apparently miserable and the Cavs don't want a guy that is miserable coaching their young team.

[footey]

This was a pretty bad idea from day one. 

[Moranis]

This was a pretty bad idea from day one. 

I think mostly because Beilein is so old.  I understand the thought process i.e. we are going to have a young team, let's get a college coach that can develop them into men, but they then went out and got a very old coach with no NBA experience at all.  If you get someone like Stevens that is young and can grow into the role, I think that would have made sense, but not an old man set in his ways that may struggle with the significant extra strain that comes along with a grueling season.  It isn't just players that struggle to adapt to all of those extra games and extra travel

[celticsclay]

What is the direction of that franchise? Is Sexton or garland a future all star? I would be quite a bit surprised if Sexton became one. Kevin love is trapped in purgatory and seems to be viewed as a negative asset. What do they do moving forward to being competitive?

[CelticsPoetry]

What is the direction of that franchise? Is Sexton or garland a future all star? I would be quite a bit surprised if Sexton became one. Kevin love is trapped in purgatory and seems to be viewed as a negative asset. What do they do moving forward to being competitive?

It's quite funny actually, for all of Lebron's greatness, he hasnt done much for the Cavs apart from that 1 title in how many seasons? 8, 9? They were relevamt all along, but we know titles matter and to make it worse, his style of going aboug business has left the franchise in a very bad spot.

[Birdman]

Lots of college coaches can’t coach NBA..they not going listen to u..just get along with the players...

[Donoghus]

What is the direction of that franchise? Is Sexton or garland a future all star? I would be quite a bit surprised if Sexton became one. Kevin love is trapped in purgatory and seems to be viewed as a negative asset. What do they do moving forward to being competitive?

Irrelevance.

[Fafnir]

What is the direction of that franchise? Is Sexton or garland a future all star? I would be quite a bit surprised if Sexton became one. Kevin love is trapped in purgatory and seems to be viewed as a negative asset. What do they do moving forward to being competitive?

It's quite funny actually, for all of Lebron's greatness, he hasnt done much for the Cavs apart from that 1 title in how many seasons? 8, 9? They were relevamt all along, but we know titles matter and to make it worse, his style of going aboug business has left the franchise in a very bad spot.

They made 5 Finals with him, were one of the best teams by win percentage while he was there, and were heavy underdogs in all of those Finals so only getting one title isn't "bad" in my book. I mean the 20% shot at winning each of those series against GSW/Spurs seems about right on average.

I think its to his credit, that franchise is a dumpster fire from the owner on down. He dragged an terrible organization to greatness. They chew through coaches/GMs/etc so fast no chance to ever develop anything good in that organization.

[cons]

they should've never traded Kyrie

they're cursed since then!

The curse of the Kyrie!

[Fafnir]

they should've never traded Kyrie

they're cursed since then!

The curse of the Kyrie!

Curse of LBJ is more accurate. They haven't had a competent team that didn't have LBJ on the roster since 1997-98 when Mike Frattello had a team with Wesley Person, Shawn Kemp, and young Big Z.

[fairweatherfan]

What is the direction of that franchise? Is Sexton or garland a future all star? I would be quite a bit surprised if Sexton became one. Kevin love is trapped in purgatory and seems to be viewed as a negative asset. What do they do moving forward to being competitive?

It's quite funny actually, for all of Lebron's greatness, he hasnt done much for the Cavs apart from that 1 title in how many seasons? 8, 9? They were relevamt all along, but we know titles matter and to make it worse, his style of going aboug business has left the franchise in a very bad spot.

They made 5 Finals with him, were one of the best teams by win percentage while he was there, and were heavy underdogs in all of those Finals so only getting one title isn't "bad" in my book. I mean the 20% shot at winning each of those series against GSW/Spurs seems about right on average.

I think its to his credit, that franchise is a dumpster fire from the owner on down. He dragged an terrible organization to greatness. They chew through coaches/GMs/etc so fast no chance to ever develop anything good in that organization.

LeBron literally took this roster:

Daniel Gibson   PG      
J.J. Hickson   C   
Z Ilgauskas   C   
Darnell Jackson   PF   
LeBron James   SF      
Trey Johnson   SG   
Tarence Kinsey   SG   
Sasha Pavlović   SF
Joe Smith           C   
Wally Szczerbiak SF   
Anderson Varejão PF   
Ben Wallace   PF   
Delonte West   SG   
Jawad Williams   SF   
Mo Williams   PG   
Lorenzen Wright C


To 66 wins in the regular season, the same number the first Big 3 team got the year earlier. Note that Wallace was a shadow of himself by that point.  Replace LeBron with an average starting SF and they struggle to get 26. That's incredibly impressive even if they ultimately lost in the ECF.

[Moranis]

What is the direction of that franchise? Is Sexton or garland a future all star? I would be quite a bit surprised if Sexton became one. Kevin love is trapped in purgatory and seems to be viewed as a negative asset. What do they do moving forward to being competitive?

It's quite funny actually, for all of Lebron's greatness, he hasnt done much for the Cavs apart from that 1 title in how many seasons? 8, 9? They were relevamt all along, but we know titles matter and to make it worse, his style of going aboug business has left the franchise in a very bad spot.

They made 5 Finals with him, were one of the best teams by win percentage while he was there, and were heavy underdogs in all of those Finals so only getting one title isn't "bad" in my book. I mean the 20% shot at winning each of those series against GSW/Spurs seems about right on average.

I think its to his credit, that franchise is a dumpster fire from the owner on down. He dragged an terrible organization to greatness. They chew through coaches/GMs/etc so fast no chance to ever develop anything good in that organization.

Yeah.  I think the fact that they were winning 60 games his first stint and made 4 consecutive Finals, winning one, his second time is a better sign of his greatness than they other way around.  The Cavs have basically always been a mess of an organization from top down.  I mean Lebron left Miami and they didn't go into the crapper.  Obviously not as good losing one of the greatest players ever, but not the worst team in the league either.  Lebron dragged crap to greatness.  that is perhaps his greatest trait.