Jazz (7-8) at Celtics (9-6) Game#16 11/17/18

[jpotter33]

For you guys that are killing Rozier and Brown, have you seen that Tatum has been tentative, inconsistent and forcing mid range jumpers this year. Have you noticed that Brown is actually playing better defense than Smart. Did you see Morris, Smart, Hayward, and Horford we're as bad or invisible as Brown and Rozier tonight and Smart and Morris had worse +/- than Brown tonight in less minutes.

Yeah, you guys love harping on the same players because they are struggling in the early season as they learn to take on completely different roles, but the fact is the only players producing regularly on the whole team is Morris and Kyrie. That's it. Everyone else has been inconsistent and performing below their career norms.

Yeah, outside of a few games, this just isn't true. He did as good as one can on Kawhi last night, but that's kind of the problem - that's the only time he shows up as a defender. When he has a big matchup individually, he's generally pretty good at staying with him and making things difficult for him, but similar to Rozier he is a mess when he's off the ball defensively, as he has no sense of how to play help defense or off the ball team defense, which are major factors in good basketball defenders and why players like Smart and Horford are so valuable defensively.

Mitchell made him look silly when he was on him tonight.

EDIT: Also, posters here (me especially) are highly sensitive to those with low BBIQ, which not coincidentally fits both Rozier and Brown perfectly, as neither of them have even average BBIQs, especially Rozier.

[Hank Finkel]

For you guys that are killing Rozier and Brown, have you seen that Tatum has been tentative, inconsistent and forcing mid range jumpers this year. Have you noticed that Brown is actually playing better defense than Smart. Did you see Morris, Smart, Hayward, and Horford we're as bad or invisible as Brown and Rozier tonight and Smart and Morris had worse +/- than Brown tonight in less minutes.

Yeah, you guys love harping on the same players because they are struggling in the early season as they learn to take on completely different roles, but the fact is the only players producing regularly on the whole team is Morris and Kyrie. That's it. Everyone else has been inconsistent and performing below their career norms.

Tonight’s ugliness
Brown 1-9
Rozier 2-9. 0-6 from 3
Morris 1-7
Ugly numbers.  Why can’t this team shoot?  Millions of dollars and all you need to do is practice shooting. 

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

The more points we get beaten by the better tonight, the Celts needs something to light a fire under them going forward.

The ugly loss to Portland was supposed to have lit a fire. So much for that notion.

[jpd985]

The more points we get beaten by the better tonight, the Celts needs something to light a fire under them going forward.

The ugly loss to Portland was supposed to have lit a fire. So much for that notion.

It did, unfortunately it just lasted for 2 games.

[nickagneta]

For you guys that are killing Rozier and Brown, have you seen that Tatum has been tentative, inconsistent and forcing mid range jumpers this year. Have you noticed that Brown is actually playing better defense than Smart. Did you see Morris, Smart, Hayward, and Horford we're as bad or invisible as Brown and Rozier tonight and Smart and Morris had worse +/- than Brown tonight in less minutes.

Yeah, you guys love harping on the same players because they are struggling in the early season as they learn to take on completely different roles, but the fact is the only players producing regularly on the whole team is Morris and Kyrie. That's it. Everyone else has been inconsistent and performing below their career norms.

Yeah, outside of a few games, this just isn't true. He did as good as one can on Kawhi last night, but that's kind of the problem - that's the only time he shows up as a defender. When he has a big matchup individually, he's generally pretty good at staying with him and making things difficult for him, but similar to Rozier he is a mess when he's off the ball defensively, as he has no sense of how to play help defense or off the ball team defense, which are major factors in good basketball defenders and why players like Smart and Horford are so valuable defensively.

Mitchell made him look silly when he was on him tonight.

EDIT: Also, posters here (me especially) are highly sensitive to those with low BBIQ, which not coincidentally fits both Rozier and Brown perfectly, as neither of them have even average BBIQs, especially Rozier.

Yeah, one, you're wrong about Jaylen's defense, he has been this team's best defender. After the first few minutes of each half, he wasn't even on Mitchell tonight. In the first 4 minutes of this game he shut down Mitchell and forced Utah to miss two layups because of his defensive pressure on the drive. Then he went to the bench and didn't come back until the second quarter.

Also, you are completely wrong about his basketball IQ. Players with low BBIQs don't play great defense, aren't the best cutters off the ball on the team, don't improve their handle every year he is in the league, doesn't improve his passing off the drive as much as he has, doesn't miss defensive switches at all. He is doing what he is coached to do....shoot the open three when you have it and be aggressive to the basket and pass to the open shooter on the outside when the drive isn't able to be finished.

[nickagneta]

Hell, Scal was just saying the same things I have been saying. You can't point to just one or two guys when the whole team sucks. You can't concentrate on one or two games when he was playing better a bunch of games before that. And that it's up to the whole team, coaching staff and other players to help maximizing Jaylen's ability. He barely touches the ball when playing with the starters. Most of the time he sits in a corner waiting for a kick out open three. That's on the coaching staff to use him better and his team mates to get him involved more.

[gouki88]

For you guys that are killing Rozier and Brown, have you seen that Tatum has been tentative, inconsistent and forcing mid range jumpers this year. Have you noticed that Brown is actually playing better defense than Smart. Did you see Morris, Smart, Hayward, and Horford we're as bad or invisible as Brown and Rozier tonight and Smart and Morris had worse +/- than Brown tonight in less minutes.

Yeah, you guys love harping on the same players because they are struggling in the early season as they learn to take on completely different roles, but the fact is the only players producing regularly on the whole team is Morris and Kyrie. That's it. Everyone else has been inconsistent and performing below their career norms.

Yeah, outside of a few games, this just isn't true. He did as good as one can on Kawhi last night, but that's kind of the problem - that's the only time he shows up as a defender. When he has a big matchup individually, he's generally pretty good at staying with him and making things difficult for him, but similar to Rozier he is a mess when he's off the ball defensively, as he has no sense of how to play help defense or off the ball team defense, which are major factors in good basketball defenders and why players like Smart and Horford are so valuable defensively.

Mitchell made him look silly when he was on him tonight.

EDIT: Also, posters here (me especially) are highly sensitive to those with low BBIQ, which not coincidentally fits both Rozier and Brown perfectly, as neither of them have even average BBIQs, especially Rozier.

With Jpotter wholeheartedly on this one

[nickagneta]

Stevens saying the early missed free throws caused the team to lose their defensive focus and if you can't hit free throws you can't expect to hit open threes.

[celticinorlando]

Wonder who this could be....
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That was a very tense Al Horford, who emphasized he is very concerned about the state of the offense and guys trying to get shots.

[Ogaju]

is RW really street clothes bad?

No. Anyone who has seen him play knows he could help. Brad is stubborn IMO.

that must be it. god forbid its because he might know more than we do. 

he is the coach...so the buck stops with him..His team is under performing.

i think i just entered non sequitur world. 

your world

[nickagneta]

For you guys that are killing Rozier and Brown, have you seen that Tatum has been tentative, inconsistent and forcing mid range jumpers this year. Have you noticed that Brown is actually playing better defense than Smart. Did you see Morris, Smart, Hayward, and Horford we're as bad or invisible as Brown and Rozier tonight and Smart and Morris had worse +/- than Brown tonight in less minutes.

Yeah, you guys love harping on the same players because they are struggling in the early season as they learn to take on completely different roles, but the fact is the only players producing regularly on the whole team is Morris and Kyrie. That's it. Everyone else has been inconsistent and performing below their career norms.

Yeah, outside of a few games, this just isn't true. He did as good as one can on Kawhi last night, but that's kind of the problem - that's the only time he shows up as a defender. When he has a big matchup individually, he's generally pretty good at staying with him and making things difficult for him, but similar to Rozier he is a mess when he's off the ball defensively, as he has no sense of how to play help defense or off the ball team defense, which are major factors in good basketball defenders and why players like Smart and Horford are so valuable defensively.

Mitchell made him look silly when he was on him tonight.

EDIT: Also, posters here (me especially) are highly sensitive to those with low BBIQ, which not coincidentally fits both Rozier and Brown perfectly, as neither of them have even average BBIQs, especially Rozier.

With Jpotter wholeheartedly on this one

Yeah, there's about 5 guys on the site that say the same thing over and over again. It doesn't mean it's true. I don't know how anyone can see how Brown played as a rookie and how much he has improved his overall game and think this kid has a low BBIQ. I can't see how anyone could have watched Brown in the playoffs last year and think he has a low BBIQ. That is just astonishing to me.

[Ogaju]

what is BB1Q?

[10610786d]

A "fair enough" to Nick, since I've been hard on Rozier, and probably shouldn't be just a dozen games into the season...

Makes sense that a team overflowing with talent would take time to gel. You're incorporating two superstars into a team that Brown, Tatum and Rozier led for key parts of last season. The split second of doubt that the guys have when deciding between passing and shooting probably makes all the difference in the world.

[10610786d]

what is BB1Q?

Basketball IQ,

[celticinorlando]

Kyrie stressing there are multiple guys who aren't following the game plan