See you guys call me hater, but the fact nobody is bringing up how horribly Smart has played shows how bad the bias is here. His plus/minus is -16, shooting less than 30% from the field. You tell me now why I should be harsh on him at all? Or at least criticize his performance
Smart has played well.
Those of us that watched the game and dont hate him saw that.
Hes a flawed player, and he is a terrible shooter and finisher but his compete level kept us in the game.
You are a hater. simple as that. You got called a hater because your solution was Terry fricken Rozier.
No my solution is that if a player isn't making plays and can't space the floor, which hinders the offense, you sit him. I don't really care who it's for tbh.
And you say those of us who watched the game?
I watched the game. He played hard, he hustled. Beyond that he threw up terrible shots, he was flailing all over the place, and despite his label of a stopper he was playing sub par defense.
If he played well his +/- wouldn't be in the sh1ts and he wouldn't have shot 30% from the field period.
Any other fan from any other fan base would recognize that, but the blinding Smart bias here is ridiculous
Yeah, this is just simply untrue. Smart was the only one to play consistently good D all night long. AB and Amir did good for the most part, too, but IT, Horford, and especially Jae, let alone the bench, were all completely terrible defensively.
And that's such a BS excuse using +/- lol You want to know why his +/- is so terrible? Because he constantly has to play and lead the second unit with scrubs like Rozier and Green. Rozier, KO, JJ, and Green were all no-shows once again tonight, and it's up to Marcus to keep that bench unit afloat.
I think we all know at this point which poster here has the bias with Smart.
You are right we should ignore all the lineups where he's in with Horford, IT, or Bradley? He plays 25 plus minutes fper game and he plays with many different lineups. I think his plus/minus is a perfect representation of his performance tonight. I think it's funny the retorts to my criticism of Smart is, "He plays hard!", "He's a fighter!". Guess what it would show up, as it usually does, in some form of statistic. I think it's a complete cop out for Smart to say that we shouldn't ever judge him by the stats.
Does he make hustle plays and plays that don't show up in the stat sheet? Yes, but more often than not that is reflected in his +/-
Only players that showed up to play are Brown, Bradley, and IT
Smart's an embarrassment to basketball. He should take up acting. Bum
Smart needs to be on the bench. Put Terry out there. He's not playing good defense, he's not finishing at the rim, he's not spacing the floor, and he's not making plays. Why is he out there? At least Rozier can space the floor
Brown = -21 +/-, 14 pts, 5-8 fgs, 1 TOs
Rozier = -12 +/-
Bradley = -3+/-, 16 pts, 6-14 fgs, 3 TOs
Smart = -17 +/-
Further proof of your bias and that you have no idea what you're talking about with regard to this +/- BS.
But wait wasn't Brown playing with the bench unit that was so terrible and you can explain his +\- away that way right??
What?? Do you even listen to yourself?
I'm calling out your bias and different treatment of players, and then you do just that same thing in response? lol Smart and Brown BOTH had crappy +/- numbers due to the rest of the bench sucking. Take away Smart and Brown and the rest of the bench is 2-10. +/- is a junk stat, bro. It doesn't tell you hardly anything.
By the way, here's Smart and IT +/- per 100 possessions:
Smart's Plus/Minus Net Per 100 Possessions - + 3.1
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/smartma01.html
IT's Plus/Minus Net Per 100 Possessions - +0.9
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/thomais02.html
You say that we shouldn't use Smart's plus/minus because it's not a good indicator of performance, but then you pull up Jaylen Brown's.
Yet even though Brown's +\- was bad because he played with the bench he still put up 14 points, on 60% from the field and 40% from the 3 point line. Because just as I said, more often than not a good performance shows up in some statistical form somewhere.
As RockinRyA stated earlier, I was merely exposing your terrible, biased logic that was doing this exact thing. You said Smart played terribly and his +/- is proof of that, all while saying Jaylen was having a great game, even though he had an even worse +/-. I was exposing YOUR terrible, biased logic there...
My God, how are you not understanding this?
And further, I'd like to address this other ridiculous comment of yours:
It's okay. Once Smart has made minimal improvement over 2 years and we let him go because his positives outweigh his negatives people on here will be like why did we like that guy so much?
Smart plays hard and he makes some great plays without the basketball. But at this point Smart's negatives outweigh his positives and once we add a highly skilled PG in this next upcoming draft people will see this.
For someone who says we don't use stats with regard to Smart, you haven't provided any evidence of any of your claims either. I'm not aware of any stats that suggest that Smart is a negative on the floor. In fact, all of the advanced stats that I know of rate him as a pretty high positive on the floor, including RPM (which is terrible), +/- (also not very useful), on-off, etc.
I'd like to see you come up with a statistic that shows how his negatives overshadow his positives, because I think you'd be hard-pressed to find such a stat.