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Quote from: tarheelsxxiii on November 04, 2017, 09:00:10 PMQuote from: tazzmaniac on November 04, 2017, 08:56:47 PMKyrie is a star not a superstar. A superstar is top 5 in MVP voting year after year. Agreed. For Kyrie to be a superstar, like 30 other players would be considered superstars. At that point, what's the point of using the term? It's then synonymous with "star". But whatever, I'm fine calling IT, D. Lillard, etc. superstars. I'm biased, though, as I like how they present themselves as people, too.So being a role model is a requirement for being a superstar? That's flawed, at best. It legitimately has nothing to do with their on-court production. Either they produce at a high level or they don't. Isaiah was top 5 in MVP voting once, but overall neither he nor Lillard's resume compares to Irving's (NBA champion, 4× NBA All-Star, All-Star Game MVP, All-NBA Third Team, NBA Rookie of the Year, NBA All-Rookie First Team, USA Basketball Male Athlete of the Year, FIBA World Cup MVP, FIBA Basketball World Cup Gold Medalist, Olympic Gold Medalist). They guy hit one of the biggest shots in NBA Finals history while playing a key part in delivering a title to a city that hadn't seen one in 52 years.
Quote from: tazzmaniac on November 04, 2017, 08:56:47 PMKyrie is a star not a superstar. A superstar is top 5 in MVP voting year after year. Agreed. For Kyrie to be a superstar, like 30 other players would be considered superstars. At that point, what's the point of using the term? It's then synonymous with "star". But whatever, I'm fine calling IT, D. Lillard, etc. superstars. I'm biased, though, as I like how they present themselves as people, too.
Kyrie is a star not a superstar. A superstar is top 5 in MVP voting year after year.
Quote from: RJ87 on November 04, 2017, 09:21:41 PMQuote from: tarheelsxxiii on November 04, 2017, 09:00:10 PMQuote from: tazzmaniac on November 04, 2017, 08:56:47 PMKyrie is a star not a superstar. A superstar is top 5 in MVP voting year after year. Agreed. For Kyrie to be a superstar, like 30 other players would be considered superstars. At that point, what's the point of using the term? It's then synonymous with "star". But whatever, I'm fine calling IT, D. Lillard, etc. superstars. I'm biased, though, as I like how they present themselves as people, too.So being a role model is a requirement for being a superstar? That's flawed, at best. It legitimately has nothing to do with their on-court production. Either they produce at a high level or they don't. Isaiah was top 5 in MVP voting once, but overall neither he nor Lillard's resume compares to Irving's (NBA champion, 4× NBA All-Star, All-Star Game MVP, All-NBA Third Team, NBA Rookie of the Year, NBA All-Rookie First Team, USA Basketball Male Athlete of the Year, FIBA World Cup MVP, FIBA Basketball World Cup Gold Medalist, Olympic Gold Medalist). They guy hit one of the biggest shots in NBA Finals history while playing a key part in delivering a title to a city that hadn't seen one in 52 years.Your interpretation of what I said is an enormous leap. You clearly didn't read my post, just a personal attack, perhaps b/c you're a fan of Kyrie's game/commercials/post-game attire, etc. Statistically, IT, Lillard, and many others are just as good as Irving. So, if you're cool with a league of 30 superstars, fine by me. But that is objective as one can get.As for accolades and a champion -- he is a star... that was playing with the best player of a generation. He has a lot to prove yet in Boston. Superstars can carry teams on their back for a season, through the playoffs, etc.
Quote from: tarheelsxxiii on November 04, 2017, 09:27:42 PMQuote from: RJ87 on November 04, 2017, 09:21:41 PMQuote from: tarheelsxxiii on November 04, 2017, 09:00:10 PMQuote from: tazzmaniac on November 04, 2017, 08:56:47 PMKyrie is a star not a superstar. A superstar is top 5 in MVP voting year after year. Agreed. For Kyrie to be a superstar, like 30 other players would be considered superstars. At that point, what's the point of using the term? It's then synonymous with "star". But whatever, I'm fine calling IT, D. Lillard, etc. superstars. I'm biased, though, as I like how they present themselves as people, too.So being a role model is a requirement for being a superstar? That's flawed, at best. It legitimately has nothing to do with their on-court production. Either they produce at a high level or they don't. Isaiah was top 5 in MVP voting once, but overall neither he nor Lillard's resume compares to Irving's (NBA champion, 4× NBA All-Star, All-Star Game MVP, All-NBA Third Team, NBA Rookie of the Year, NBA All-Rookie First Team, USA Basketball Male Athlete of the Year, FIBA World Cup MVP, FIBA Basketball World Cup Gold Medalist, Olympic Gold Medalist). They guy hit one of the biggest shots in NBA Finals history while playing a key part in delivering a title to a city that hadn't seen one in 52 years.Your interpretation of what I said is an enormous leap. You clearly didn't read my post, just a personal attack, perhaps b/c you're a fan of Kyrie's game/commercials/post-game attire, etc. Statistically, IT, Lillard, and many others are just as good as Irving. So, if you're cool with a league of 30 superstars, fine by me. But that is objective as one can get.As for accolades and a champion -- he is a star... that was playing with the best player of a generation. He has a lot to prove yet in Boston. Superstars can carry teams on their back for a season, through the playoffs, etc. Yes, listing his accolades is a personal attack on you. Absolutely.
He's not a slam dunk superstar like Lebron, Durant, Kawhi, and Curry, but RJ87 has convinced me that Kyrie - with all of his accolades - is probably in that next tier. If you think a superstar is only 3-4 players, then no, he isn't; but, if you expand it to top 10ish (All-star starters), then he seems ready to cement himself at that level for a long time.
Quote from: jambr380 on November 04, 2017, 09:32:29 PMHe's not a slam dunk superstar like Lebron, Durant, Kawhi, and Curry, but RJ87 has convinced me that Kyrie - with all of his accolades - is probably in that next tier. If you think a superstar is only 3-4 players, then no, he isn't; but, if you expand it to top 10ish (All-star starters), then he seems ready to cement himself at that level for a long time.So there are 30 superstars in the league, in your opinion? If you made a list of all the other players in the league that would've achieved similar accolades playing alongside LeBron, it'd get lengthy pretty quickly.
LeBron, KD, Curry, Westbrook, Harden and Kawhi and Brow are all superstars imo.
Quote from: tarheelsxxiii on November 04, 2017, 09:50:02 PMQuote from: jambr380 on November 04, 2017, 09:32:29 PMHe's not a slam dunk superstar like Lebron, Durant, Kawhi, and Curry, but RJ87 has convinced me that Kyrie - with all of his accolades - is probably in that next tier. If you think a superstar is only 3-4 players, then no, he isn't; but, if you expand it to top 10ish (All-star starters), then he seems ready to cement himself at that level for a long time.So there are 30 superstars in the league, in your opinion? If you made a list of all the other players in the league that would've achieved similar accolades playing alongside LeBron, it'd get lengthy pretty quickly. Okay... like who? He was an All-Star before Lebron went back to Cleveland. He was Rookie of the Year before Lebron went back to Cleveland. His international team success came after Lebron retired from international play.