« Reply #42 on: January 15, 2019, 12:41:53 AM »
This link contains video of the play in question.
https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/video/why-was-kyrie-irving-so-angry-celtics-final-play
Hayward chooses to pass to Tatum rather than inbounding to Horford because Tatum gets a step on Iwundu. I don't have an issue with this decision. The problem is that Tatum doesn't use his advantage. He slows and cuts toward the corner to make the catch 18 feet from the basket, allowing Iwundu to catch up, and his only real choice is the play for the shot that he ended up getting - a contested fadeaway 18 footer. I don't know if this is what Stevens wanted, or if this is just Tatum being Tatum.
I would have wanted Tatum to cut to the baseline instead of the corner. It's a more difficult angle for Hayward, but it gives Tatum more options. He can play for a much shorter jumpshot if he chooses. Or, he can drive to the rim. Tatum's length would make it difficult for Iwundu to contest from behind, but he'd probably have to finish around Isaac's help defense. Personally I'd take my chances with that.
Ok well if not for this
What would have Irving done better?
He was like 7 ft away from Hayward, with his man stuck to him like glue. When the ref gives Hayward the ball, Irving is not even trying to get away from his defender
I don't understand in this situation, why Stevens wouldn't revert to the old double/triple pick strategy (both Irving and Tatum running around the screens) . And two players who set the picks (Horford and Williams for example) rolling to the basket for an alley/catch fake and shoot near the basket opportunity
just *facepalm*
The Celtics have run this play before, with both Kyrie and IT. Kyrie is not supposed to take off until Horford receives the inbounds pass. The timing with less than three seconds would have been tight but manageable.
I saw a twitter post that very clearly showed the setup/execution on previous versions of this play, but unfortunately I didn't save it and I don't feel like sorting through twitter crap to find it again.
Yes but I believe Horford was covered tightly as well
You want to excute this but its not going to happen all the time
With 3 sec left how easy is it to make two quick passes and get a clean shot off?
Need at least 5 sec
No. Don't need nearly that much time.
https://mobile.twitter.com/HalfCourtHoops/status/1084278355367731209
Watch the first play in this clip - it's probably exactly what Brad drew up against the Magic. Also, notice that only two seconds came off of the clock in this instance. There was enough time to run this play.
Rather than waiting for this to develop, Hayward saw that Tatum had a step on Iwundu and chose to go to him instead.
TP. That was the play. When Brad Stevens draws up an OTO, you should probably run it. Not because it's guaranteed to work, but because it probably gives you a better chance than anything else.
The play had several options. Kyrie via Horford was one. Tatum was one.
Is getting “the next Paul Pierce” a shot such a bad option?
It is a really bad option if you are trying to retain a player like Kyrie next year. Horford fully expected to receive the ball there, that is perfectly clear by his reaction following the inbound to Tatum. Hayward made a tactical error 2 seconds into the developing play. Kyrie let Hayward know that is unacceptable as it should be under the circumstances.
If Kyrie leaves because a teammate took a last second shot, good riddance.
It’s not unacceptable at all. Tatum is an excellent player who can make shots. He took a makeable shot.
It is not because Tatum took a last second shot. It is because a Tatum fade away should never ever be the 1st option there. If Brad drew that play up and Tatum was not just a decoy but was actually the 1st option, then Brad should be crucified. If the play blows up then sure go to Tatum in the corner for that less desirable shot. Not going to your star player there who had just been instrumental in the comeback is dumb and every star/quasi star in the league will take umbrage at the thought. If the play was a lob to Tatum with Kyrie as a decoy then that is entirely different.
Tatum was an option on the play. As noted earlier in the thread, he had some separation on his defender. He wasted that, but it's hard to scrutinize anybody with 3 seconds left on the clock.
There were probably over a dozen plays way more egregious last night than passing to Tatum with 2.7 seconds left.
And, there's a huge chasm between taking "umbrage" and having such a gigantic ego that a teammate's shot would cause a player to leave in free agency. I cannot imagine that Kyrie is that self-centered.
I feel like it's also worth pointing out that Kyrie wasn't mad at Tatum, he was mad at Hayward. It doesn't seem, to me, like Kyrie was mad at not getting the ball, he was mad that the play was designed to go a certain way and Hayward decided to deviate for reasons I can't explain.
Had Tatum broken away and had a lane to the basket, ok, but that's not what happened. Tatum's man was right on his heels. Meanwhile, Horford was wide open to receive that pass as planned. So why did Hayward do what he did?
Of course, as has been mentioned, this play didn't lose the game. They lost it in the 12 minutes prior.
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