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Title: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: greece66 on June 21, 2018, 06:28:14 AM
Title self-explanatory, I'll be posting stuff, and I see no point in opening new threads for each one.

Needless to say, it will mostly be things that have already appeared on /r/nba, so the emphasis is on keeping a track record to facilitate discussion.

For future reference:

1. FA tracker (http://www.nba.com/freeagents/2018/tracker)

2.  Transaction tracker  (https://www.tsn.ca/nba/transactions)

So, I begin:

(https://i.gyazo.com/111b8409d2f6e9a802f0de4186c2db83.png)

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1009617255095787520

(https://i.gyazo.com/73ff97e8897fa50593cfd613b59f9564.png)

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1009602407406428160

(https://i.gyazo.com/1b40d02bf80527d7d4533d6229f2969b.png)

https://gyazo.com/1b40d02bf80527d7d4533d6229f2969b

Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: greece66 on June 24, 2018, 02:24:12 PM
(https://i.gyazo.com/c1be63f96ebebe8dde7fb32ab1fdb144.png)

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1010870892782637057
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: hwangjini_1 on June 24, 2018, 03:12:53 PM
thanks g36. tp for the good thread.

carmelo anthony to stay in oklahoma. makes sense given the money. couple this with rumors that paul george is leaning towards staying in OKC.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23890370/carmelo-anthony-oklahoma-city-thunder-exercise-early-termination-option-contract
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: greece66 on June 24, 2018, 03:30:43 PM
(https://i.gyazo.com/cf9272420a5f556a57a7068360ef08e5.png)

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1010664982252531712
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: rondofan1255 on June 24, 2018, 03:39:13 PM
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The Phoenix Suns and No. 31 overall pick Elie Okobo of France have agreed on a four-year, $6M rookie deal, league sources tell Yahoo. Okobo's deal will be guaranteed in first two seasons, with team options on Years 3 and 4

https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/1010968472019402752?s=21

Quote
Hawks forward Mike Muscala has exercised his $5M player option, source tells ESPN. He will be back with Atlanta.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1010930807702261761
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: greece66 on June 24, 2018, 07:21:27 PM
(https://i.gyazo.com/6d5148962e64a8428a5a61df04c54988.png)

https://twitter.com/ginamizell/status/1010953366132776960
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Beat LA on June 24, 2018, 07:24:33 PM
TP for the thread, man :).
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: rondofan1255 on June 24, 2018, 09:40:38 PM
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Enes Kanter is expected to opt out of his $18.6M contract with the Knicks. (via @MSGNetworks)

https://twitter.com/LegionHoops/status/1011004177005211648
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: A Future of Stevens on June 24, 2018, 10:16:39 PM
(https://i.gyazo.com/6d5148962e64a8428a5a61df04c54988.png)

https://twitter.com/ginamizell/status/1010953366132776960

Can we discuss the tidbits in this thread or should there be another for that? What would the purpose of declining the team option be, causing money on your books earlier? I know it would make the player happy, but is there a point for the team?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: saltlover on June 24, 2018, 10:18:28 PM
(https://i.gyazo.com/6d5148962e64a8428a5a61df04c54988.png)

https://twitter.com/ginamizell/status/1010953366132776960

Can we discuss the tidbits in this thread or should there be another for that? What would the purpose of declining the team option so you could put money on your books earlier? I know it would make the player happy, but is there a point for the team?

Yes.  If they do it this year he’s a restricted free agent and so they can match any offer.  If they wait until next year he’s unrestricted.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: A Future of Stevens on June 24, 2018, 10:22:24 PM
(https://i.gyazo.com/6d5148962e64a8428a5a61df04c54988.png)

https://twitter.com/ginamizell/status/1010953366132776960

Can we discuss the tidbits in this thread or should there be another for that? What would the purpose of declining the team option so you could put money on your books earlier? I know it would make the player happy, but is there a point for the team?

Yes.  If they do it this year he’s a restricted free agent and so they can match any offer.  If they wait until next year he’s unrestricted.

Tp, thank you Salt.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: greece66 on June 25, 2018, 09:09:21 AM
(https://i.gyazo.com/faa37ee10157fa8f1c81c169c5f678e9.png)


https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1010968472019402752
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: rondofan1255 on June 25, 2018, 03:35:32 PM
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The Indiana Pacers are declining Lance Stephenson’s $4.3M team option and he’ll be a free agent, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1011327953572163584

Quote
Denver Nuggets star Nikola Jokic will have his team option declined for next season to become RFA, and sides plan to reach agreement on a five-year, $146.5M maximum contract, league sources told Yahoo.

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1011244160484020224

Quote
San Antonio Spurs guard Danny Green has exercised his $10M contract option for the 2018-19 season and will stay with the team, league source tells ESPN.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1011392962796797952
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: greece66 on June 25, 2018, 10:15:02 PM
(https://i.gyazo.com/46719414a9f1d5848fd313df962e4b02.png)

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1011332247910264832
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: azzenfrost on June 25, 2018, 10:42:23 PM
This is great! Thanks.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: greece66 on June 25, 2018, 10:58:45 PM
(https://i.gyazo.com/3383dd097f6fb7761dc7066bb0697d8a.png)

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1011317944666685445
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: greece66 on June 26, 2018, 07:15:58 AM
(https://i.gyazo.com/89638e89128cf9a89a92fd631c6ffbe5.png)

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1011351048496209921
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: MattyIce on June 26, 2018, 07:28:22 PM
The Los Angeles Clippers are trading guard Austin Rivers to the Washington Wizards for center Marcin Gortat, league sources tell ESPN.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Birdman on June 26, 2018, 07:34:22 PM
The Los Angeles Clippers are trading guard Austin Rivers to the Washington Wizards for center Marcin Gortat, league sources tell ESPN.
Wow!! This one kind of a surprise..Doc traded his son..Washington with no big..Looks like Jordan is gone from the Clips..Howard to Wash?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Celtic Fan Forever on June 26, 2018, 07:34:44 PM
The Los Angeles Clippers are trading guard Austin Rivers to the Washington Wizards for center Marcin Gortat, league sources tell ESPN.

Guess that’s it for Deandre Jordan in LA
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: saltlover on June 26, 2018, 07:35:23 PM
The Los Angeles Clippers are trading guard Austin Rivers to the Washington Wizards for center Marcin Gortat, league sources tell ESPN.

Very curious to see Doc’s reaction.  But both players were trouble for their respective locker rooms, so the deal makes sense for that purpose alone.  Wizards will save about $1.5 million in luxury tax.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on June 26, 2018, 07:43:01 PM
Gives the Wizards depth at guard. I'm guessing they are trying to sign Howard.

I'm not sure what the Clippers get out of this deal, unless they felt like Jordan was declining his player option (which I find highly unlikely). Gortat is a basic backup. They already have Boban and Harrell.

No picks? No prospects? No financial gain?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Smartacus on June 26, 2018, 08:19:18 PM
Gives the Wizards depth at guard. I'm guessing they are trying to sign Howard.

I'm not sure what the Clippers get out of this deal, unless they felt like Jordan was declining his player option (which I find highly unlikely). Gortat is a basic backup. They already have Boban and Harrell.

No picks? No prospects? No financial gain?

I think the Clips are content just putting out a solid product. After years of bottom feeding they finally broke through with CP3 and Griffin, don't really think they want to give that up.

Gortat is a completely solid option at the 5. If they felt Boban was ready to take the reigns then they probably don't make this deal it's yet to be seen that someone his size will be able to handle starting 82 games. Gortat allows them to move on from DJ and let their guards duke it out for who gets the minutes without any more feelings of resentment that Austin was getting preferential treatment.

Solid move for both sides. Rivers could be a nice addition as the undisputed 3rd guard behind Wall and Beal. The ability to put out 48 minutes of quality point guard play is vital and something Wash hasn't had in a long time.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: action781 on June 26, 2018, 08:42:30 PM
The Los Angeles Clippers are trading guard Austin Rivers to the Washington Wizards for center Marcin Gortat, league sources tell ESPN.

Very curious to see Doc’s reaction.  But both players were trouble for their respective locker rooms, so the deal makes sense for that purpose alone.  Wizards will save about $1.5 million in luxury tax.
Only until they end up signing a center.  This will probably end up putting them further into tax after all is said and done.

I like this move for Washington though.  They needed depth and got it.  They now have 2 quality bench players in Rivers and Oubre along with some serviceable rotational players in Satoransky, Meeks, and Mahinmi.  Signing Dwight is now a necessity and would be a huge move for them.

For LAC I find it not as strong.  I guess they had a log jam at guard with Beverly, Milos, Lou Williams, and Rivers which is cleared up a little and they got insurance for if DJ walks.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Birdman on June 26, 2018, 08:43:16 PM
Nerlens Noel to Washington is my guess
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: saltlover on June 26, 2018, 08:51:44 PM
The Los Angeles Clippers are trading guard Austin Rivers to the Washington Wizards for center Marcin Gortat, league sources tell ESPN.

Very curious to see Doc’s reaction.  But both players were trouble for their respective locker rooms, so the deal makes sense for that purpose alone.  Wizards will save about $1.5 million in luxury tax.
Only until they end up signing a center.  This will probably end up putting them further into tax after all is said and done.

I like this move for Washington though.  They needed depth and got it.  They now have 2 quality bench players in Rivers and Oubre along with some serviceable rotational players in Satoransky, Meeks, and Mahinmi.  Signing Dwight is now a necessity and would be a huge move for them.

For LAC I find it not as strong.  I guess they had a log jam at guard with Beverly, Milos, Lou Williams, and Rivers which is cleared up a little and they got insurance for if DJ walks.

The Wizards needed a backup PG, now they need a center.  They really only have the minimum to offer either, so they’ve filled up the PG role with Rivers and will now shop for a center.  It won’t put them any further into the tax.

Also, Meeks was not a serviceable player last year and is suspended for the first quarter of the season, so he is far from a useful bench player.  In general, the Wizards bench is one of the weakest in the league.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: SparzWizard on June 26, 2018, 08:57:48 PM
Nerlens Noel to Washington is my guess

Or Dwight Howard.

Wow, Dwight would have played for four of the five teams in the Southeast division in his career- Orlando, Charlotte, Atlanta, Washington.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: hwangjini_1 on June 26, 2018, 09:59:26 PM
Guys and gals, this thread is for verified moves only.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: chilidawg on June 26, 2018, 11:37:40 PM
Good luck with that, it's rumor season.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: action781 on June 27, 2018, 01:49:32 AM
The Los Angeles Clippers are trading guard Austin Rivers to the Washington Wizards for center Marcin Gortat, league sources tell ESPN.

Very curious to see Doc’s reaction.  But both players were trouble for their respective locker rooms, so the deal makes sense for that purpose alone.  Wizards will save about $1.5 million in luxury tax.
Only until they end up signing a center.  This will probably end up putting them further into tax after all is said and done.

I like this move for Washington though.  They needed depth and got it.  They now have 2 quality bench players in Rivers and Oubre along with some serviceable rotational players in Satoransky, Meeks, and Mahinmi.  Signing Dwight is now a necessity and would be a huge move for them.

For LAC I find it not as strong.  I guess they had a log jam at guard with Beverly, Milos, Lou Williams, and Rivers which is cleared up a little and they got insurance for if DJ walks.

The Wizards needed a backup PG, now they need a center.  They really only have the minimum to offer either, so they’ve filled up the PG role with Rivers and will now shop for a center.  It won’t put them any further into the tax.

Also, Meeks was not a serviceable player last year and is suspended for the first quarter of the season, so he is far from a useful bench player.  In general, the Wizards bench is one of the weakest in the league.
They don't have the $5.2 taxpayer MLE? I assumed that will get offered to Dwight or another center if they have it.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: greece66 on June 27, 2018, 02:06:18 AM
(https://i.gyazo.com/7d7c668a387ec8aacb9c9e45e34284eb.png)

https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/1011737825132199937
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Hoopvortex on June 27, 2018, 02:48:24 AM
(https://i.gyazo.com/3383dd097f6fb7761dc7066bb0697d8a.png)

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1011317944666685445

Love that guy. He was a Celtic for a while...

Don Nelson said about him, “He’s always where he’s supposed to be, and after a while you realize it’s not a coincidence.”
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: greece66 on June 27, 2018, 06:04:56 AM
Added a transaction and an FA tracker in the original post.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: greece66 on June 27, 2018, 06:44:57 AM
(https://i.gyazo.com/85e2b2d99b4359f8d36610d9348e2df6.png)

https://twitter.com/TheSteinLine/status/1011397038389518336

There is also an NBC article on Durant opting out
https://nba.nbcsports.com/2018/06/26/report-kevin-durant-opting-out/
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: saltlover on June 27, 2018, 07:01:14 AM
The Los Angeles Clippers are trading guard Austin Rivers to the Washington Wizards for center Marcin Gortat, league sources tell ESPN.

Very curious to see Doc’s reaction.  But both players were trouble for their respective locker rooms, so the deal makes sense for that purpose alone.  Wizards will save about $1.5 million in luxury tax.
Only until they end up signing a center.  This will probably end up putting them further into tax after all is said and done.

I like this move for Washington though.  They needed depth and got it.  They now have 2 quality bench players in Rivers and Oubre along with some serviceable rotational players in Satoransky, Meeks, and Mahinmi.  Signing Dwight is now a necessity and would be a huge move for them.

For LAC I find it not as strong.  I guess they had a log jam at guard with Beverly, Milos, Lou Williams, and Rivers which is cleared up a little and they got insurance for if DJ walks.

The Wizards needed a backup PG, now they need a center.  They really only have the minimum to offer either, so they’ve filled up the PG role with Rivers and will now shop for a center.  It won’t put them any further into the tax.

Also, Meeks was not a serviceable player last year and is suspended for the first quarter of the season, so he is far from a useful bench player.  In general, the Wizards bench is one of the weakest in the league.
They don't have the $5.2 taxpayer MLE? I assumed that will get offered to Dwight or another center if they have it.

Unless they move a contract for nothing, as opposed to for someone else who makes a chunk of money, I expect they will only be using minimum salaries to fill out their roster.  Using the full MLE on someone would put them about $12 million over the tax line if they just had a 14-man roster, and they’re not going there.  Even just signing 3 minimum salary players will put them about $8 million over.  People here in DC would be quite surprised if Leonsis has the appetite for that tax bill.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: BitterJim on June 27, 2018, 07:07:35 AM
The Los Angeles Clippers are trading guard Austin Rivers to the Washington Wizards for center Marcin Gortat, league sources tell ESPN.
Wow!! This one kind of a surprise..Doc traded his son..Washington with no big..Looks like Jordan is gone from the Clips..Howard to Wash?

No, Jerry West did. Doc gave up his GM duties last summer
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: greece66 on June 27, 2018, 07:07:09 PM
(https://i.gyazo.com/479f21791b5b2b06145611410e4ea7f5.png)

https://twitter.com/PaulGarciaNBA/status/1012048317025607682
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: greece66 on June 27, 2018, 07:12:35 PM
(https://i.gyazo.com/765a38b04c939743689cad981fdfe857.png)

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1012074765299748864

Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: greece66 on June 28, 2018, 05:18:23 AM
(https://i.gyazo.com/12e9a54982699de927c1f919132f617b.png)

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1012063456143532032
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: greece66 on June 28, 2018, 05:40:33 AM
(https://i.gyazo.com/18e23ccc29bc14059cba280935ac5636.png)

https://twitter.com/twithersAP/status/1012118069039288322
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Androslav on June 28, 2018, 05:54:31 AM
(https://i.gyazo.com/18e23ccc29bc14059cba280935ac5636.png)

https://twitter.com/twithersAP/status/1012118069039288322
Sounds more like a "well earned money" then a "well spent money".
Keep gettin' dem checks Perk!
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: greece66 on June 28, 2018, 07:08:37 AM
(https://i.gyazo.com/cabf427c89974a59a0d4ecb18c52edde.png)

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1012286572178362370
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: tazzmaniac on June 28, 2018, 07:18:19 AM
(https://i.gyazo.com/18e23ccc29bc14059cba280935ac5636.png)

https://twitter.com/twithersAP/status/1012118069039288322
Sounds more like a "well earned money" then a "well spent money".
Keep gettin' dem checks Perk!
It is non-guaranteed.  Then have the option of using him in a trade or cutting him before it guarantees. 
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: BitterJim on June 28, 2018, 07:22:50 AM
(https://i.gyazo.com/18e23ccc29bc14059cba280935ac5636.png)

https://twitter.com/twithersAP/status/1012118069039288322
Sounds more like a "well earned money" then a "well spent money".
Keep gettin' dem checks Perk!
It is non-guaranteed.  Then have the option of using him in a trade or cutting him before it guarantees.

Non-guaranteed salary cannot be used as filler if the deal was signed after the current CBA was signed (like Perk's was). The only way to use him in a trade is by fully guaranteeing his salary (which they just did)
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: saltlover on June 28, 2018, 07:28:00 AM
(https://i.gyazo.com/18e23ccc29bc14059cba280935ac5636.png)

https://twitter.com/twithersAP/status/1012118069039288322
Sounds more like a "well earned money" then a "well spent money".
Keep gettin' dem checks Perk!
It is non-guaranteed.  Then have the option of using him in a trade or cutting him before it guarantees.

Non-guaranteed salary cannot be used as filler if the deal was signed after the current CBA was signed (like Perk's was). The only way to use him in a trade is by fully guaranteeing his salary (which they just did)

Did they guarantee it already?  It had no guarantee date as far as I could tell, and as he can’t be traded until July 11th (having not signed until mid-April), there wouldn’t be any need to guarantee it until you have a trade in place that requires his salary.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: boscel33 on June 28, 2018, 07:46:27 AM
Paul George opting out, will become unrestricted free agent.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23932292/paul-george-informs-oklahoma-city-thunder-become-unrestricted-free-agent

I don't think this is big news, I think he goes back to OKC, this is just a matter of procedure.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: celticinorlando on June 28, 2018, 07:53:34 AM
Paul George opting out, will become unrestricted free agent.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23932292/paul-george-informs-oklahoma-city-thunder-become-unrestricted-free-agent

I don't think this is big news, I think he goes back to OKC, this is just a matter of procedure.

Still say he goes to the Lakers with James.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: saltlover on June 28, 2018, 05:39:02 PM
Quote
Adrian Wojnarowski
@wojespn
Indiana Pacers forward Thaddeus Young has exercised his $13.7M player option and will bypass free agency this summer, league sources told ESPN.
5:33 PM · Jun 28, 2018
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: greece66 on June 29, 2018, 02:26:12 AM
(https://i.gyazo.com/ccde5d66d6f4f6dc8d58674ca27a1485.png)

https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1012518232044003328
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: rondofan1255 on June 29, 2018, 02:32:01 AM
(https://i.gyazo.com/ccde5d66d6f4f6dc8d58674ca27a1485.png)

https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1012518232044003328

Rejoice!
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: greece66 on June 29, 2018, 05:00:36 AM
(https://i.gyazo.com/8f8e946eec61138d0b36714e93a0b75a.png)

https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1012517605243080704
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: greece66 on June 29, 2018, 06:07:13 AM
(https://i.gyazo.com/f64d2a4a5b79ee0e747b1dcceca222bb.png)

https://twitter.com/Lakers/status/1012503799951286272
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: greece66 on June 29, 2018, 06:52:39 AM
Comprehensive analysis of the Free Agency by Lowe

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23938913/zach-lowe-nba-free-agency-preview-lebron-james-paul-george-kawhi-leonard
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: BitterJim on June 29, 2018, 07:45:39 AM
(https://i.gyazo.com/8f8e946eec61138d0b36714e93a0b75a.png)

https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1012517605243080704

Huh, I didn't know that the QO could be a two-way contract. Definitely an interesting situation (and I hope we sign him to a 1+1 year minimum deal)
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: saltlover on June 29, 2018, 09:17:36 AM
(https://i.gyazo.com/8f8e946eec61138d0b36714e93a0b75a.png)

https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1012517605243080704

Huh, I didn't know that the QO could be a two-way contract. Definitely an interesting situation (and I hope we sign him to a 1+1 year minimum deal)

Yep, the QO is a two-way contract if the player is coming off a two-way and has played only one or two years with the team extending him the QO (I had thought it was 1 year as a 2-way, but when I went back and checked the rules yesterday it indicated it could be two years as well, so I’m not completely positive on the details, and it’s moot this year for all players).  Once a player is no longer eligible for a 2-way QO, the QO is instead the minimum salary for his number of years of experience (which is 0 for players who’ve only ever signed two-way contracts).

I’m hoping it’s a 2+2 contract near the minimum in year 1, same as Semi.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: greece66 on June 29, 2018, 09:49:25 AM
(https://i.gyazo.com/c7f03d1063f3871c1d26cd1366e03676.png)

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1012426333039841280
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: greece66 on June 29, 2018, 09:51:08 AM
(https://i.gyazo.com/cc434d734e45b7be74d6fc3bc37832cc.png)

https://twitter.com/vgoodwill/status/1012405729683300353
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: greece66 on June 29, 2018, 02:09:54 PM
(https://i.gyazo.com/a7c2489e8d928e4bbbe732e58b6bf634.png)

https://twitter.com/BillSimmons/status/1012727175143874560

I suppose this means there are rumours (however credible) Dolan is selling.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: greece66 on June 29, 2018, 02:11:56 PM
(https://i.gyazo.com/199bf733ad5a483a94dee36b0a2e8103.png)

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1012701074250084356
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: greece66 on June 29, 2018, 02:13:00 PM
(https://i.gyazo.com/4174f080c41fd83eef1af7140c8f0831.png)

https://twitter.com/joevardon/status/1012707275041955842
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: SparzWizard on June 29, 2018, 02:41:49 PM
Isn't it better to just display what the tweet says rather than copy paste link lol
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: saltlover on June 29, 2018, 02:57:19 PM
Isn't it better to just display what the tweet says rather than copy paste link lol

It’s so much easier to read it they way Greece does it.  I appreciate his dedication.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: TheSundanceKid on June 29, 2018, 02:57:41 PM
(https://i.gyazo.com/199bf733ad5a483a94dee36b0a2e8103.png)

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1012701074250084356

That goes against earlier reports he would test the market. Must've seen sense!
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: nickagneta on June 29, 2018, 03:18:02 PM
Isn't it better to just display what the tweet says rather than copy paste link lol
Actually, when quoting from an outside source, it is the rule of Celticsblog to show a link from the site you are quoting from. From the rules:

Quote
When quoting from material that is not made freely available (i.e., ESPN.com "Insider" content, etc.), do not quote the entirety of the material.  Posting brief snippets and summaries of the material is appropriate; posting lengthy quotations is not.  Please post a link whenever citing to online material, whether insider content or otherwise. 

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=10.0

So greece is doing exactly what he should be doing. TP greece
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: MattyIce on June 29, 2018, 06:45:48 PM
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1012828927268704257?s=21

Clippers center DeAndre Jordan will opt-out of his deal, source tells ESPN
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: saltlover on June 29, 2018, 06:52:16 PM
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1012828927268704257?s=21

Clippers center DeAndre Jordan will opt-out of his deal, source tells ESPN

This is good news for the Celtics keeping Smart.  If Jordan had opted in, there would have been a trade between Dallas and Clippers, with Matthews’ salary going back to LA.  Now that they’ll have to sign him the old fashioned way, they won’t have the cap room to go after Smart.  That takes ones of the three major competitors off the board, leaving Indiana and Phoenix.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: MattyIce on June 29, 2018, 07:17:51 PM
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1012828927268704257?s=21

Clippers center DeAndre Jordan will opt-out of his deal, source tells ESPN

This is good news for the Celtics keeping Smart.  If Jordan had opted in, there would have been a trade between Dallas and Clippers, with Matthews’ salary going back to LA.  Now that they’ll have to sign him the old fashioned way, they won’t have the cap room to go after Smart.  That takes ones of the three major competitors off the board, leaving Indiana and Phoenix.

for Indy..with thad young opting in, and IF they offer Aaron Gordon 20mil per year as has been "reported" as likely.  what would they have left to offer Smart?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: saltlover on June 29, 2018, 07:19:15 PM
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1012828927268704257?s=21

Clippers center DeAndre Jordan will opt-out of his deal, source tells ESPN

This is good news for the Celtics keeping Smart.  If Jordan had opted in, there would have been a trade between Dallas and Clippers, with Matthews’ salary going back to LA.  Now that they’ll have to sign him the old fashioned way, they won’t have the cap room to go after Smart.  That takes ones of the three major competitors off the board, leaving Indiana and Phoenix.

for Indy..with thad young opting in, and IF they offer Aaron Gordon 20mil per year as has been "reported" as likely.  what would they have left to offer Smart?

Nothing initially, but I think there’s a good chance Orlando matches, which would open that space back up.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: greece66 on June 30, 2018, 01:48:45 AM
(https://i.gyazo.com/a2482bf29455fce418d536f47ce5e83d.png)

https://twitter.com/joevardon/status/1012707275041955842
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: greece66 on June 30, 2018, 04:56:09 AM
(https://i.gyazo.com/2a6ef6d1c9361165e63f01bc16430ae1.png)

https://twitter.com/TheSteinLine/status/1012836609924968453
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: greece66 on June 30, 2018, 06:59:28 AM
(https://i.gyazo.com/4f09b4738de42c3dd6b8bbd9407d06cf.png)

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1012830465043156997
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: greece66 on June 30, 2018, 09:16:38 PM
(https://i.gyazo.com/e9533c02d2f280c90fed9dff073fcfd7.png)

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1013149226220572673
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: SparzWizard on July 01, 2018, 02:07:31 AM
Isn't it better to just display what the tweet says rather than copy paste link lol
Actually, when quoting from an outside source, it is the rule of Celticsblog to show a link from the site you are quoting from. From the rules:

Quote
When quoting from material that is not made freely available (i.e., ESPN.com "Insider" content, etc.), do not quote the entirety of the material.  Posting brief snippets and summaries of the material is appropriate; posting lengthy quotations is not.  Please post a link whenever citing to online material, whether insider content or otherwise. 

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=10.0

So greece is doing exactly what he should be doing. TP greece

Fair enough. I'll keep that in mind next time!
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: SparzWizard on July 01, 2018, 02:09:13 AM
According to Sports Center, DeAndre Jordan has verbally agreed on a one-year deal with the Dallas Mavericks.

Funny how he goes back to the team he was originally traded to a few years ago. No CP3, PP34, Blake Griffin, and Doc Rivers to hold him hostage now!
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on July 01, 2018, 02:29:14 AM
According to Sports Center, DeAndre Jordan has verbally agreed on a one-year deal with the Dallas Mavericks.

Funny how he goes back to the team he was originally traded to a few years ago. No CP3, PP34, Blake Griffin, and Doc Rivers to hold him hostage now!

I like what the Mavs are doing.  Doncic, Jordan, Brunson and Noel were all solid moves.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: greece66 on July 01, 2018, 05:20:31 AM
(https://i.gyazo.com/c2d762878c74c9854cc2fac2616382b9.png)

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1013266661741420544
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: greece66 on July 01, 2018, 05:28:30 AM
(https://i.gyazo.com/a415778c374316be116a795cc6a15ee2.png)

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1013270978917519362
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: greece66 on July 01, 2018, 05:32:50 AM
(https://i.gyazo.com/49dad97f8bc165eab6ea0594bb370529.png)

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1013281263518732288
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: greece66 on July 01, 2018, 06:14:25 AM
(https://i.gyazo.com/7de071737d1cd0bff94b5d2ef6d42f85.png)

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1013267266929127427

(https://i.gyazo.com/240964c0d891ec979bcea7dc5110ce95.png)

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1013283627210244096

(https://i.gyazo.com/1dba937ca67b7b1ef3d9e2011ba23fbb.png)

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1013286057528430592

(https://i.gyazo.com/b365ad3d5fea3bca05c5f7de460f313f.png)

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1013266380639096832
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Birdman on July 01, 2018, 07:35:36 AM
Ersan Ilaylosa signs 3 year deal with Milwaukee..7 million a year...not bad for him
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: greece66 on July 01, 2018, 04:30:32 PM
(https://i.gyazo.com/ef4add7737285189f0d35625c51bf6d1.png)

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1013274648535027713

(https://i.gyazo.com/f40ed2ddc0fec0dd1e2a74647ae76272.png)

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1013273854884671488

(https://i.gyazo.com/2c9e8d4fa5b07607b354e8c4ccd71586.png)

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1013286732698214400
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: greece66 on July 01, 2018, 04:34:44 PM
(https://i.gyazo.com/2c35cb9e8baf3fc1b92a86fd7a9d45a9.png)

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1013430496917934081
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: greece66 on July 01, 2018, 05:11:05 PM
(https://i.gyazo.com/60e86c559ad8808daf5943f84cd60b9c.png)

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1013487713532641281
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: greece66 on July 01, 2018, 05:15:33 PM
(https://i.gyazo.com/5155225fa3f793ed9c57c4000dbf2470.png)

https://twitter.com/highkin/status/1013519011437350912
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: greece66 on July 01, 2018, 07:13:39 PM
(https://i.gyazo.com/e83c5ace12813ae9c60a677407ee7e36.png)

based on Duncan's podcast.

OP  here  (https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/8vcucy/nate_duncan_being_in_the_repeater_tax_okc_could/)
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: hwangjini_1 on July 01, 2018, 07:28:14 PM
thanks g666 for all the updates. it is enjoyable to have a thread that contains all this sort of news. tp for you.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: greece66 on July 01, 2018, 07:36:31 PM
(https://i.gyazo.com/57591b98c08883be0c338f65fde3edbe.png)

https://twitter.com/billoram/status/1013564206216458240

This is the 2× NBA D-League Three-Point Contest champion Ingram, not Brandon.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: greece66 on July 01, 2018, 08:14:28 PM
(https://i.gyazo.com/bb03ad24a11ee1cd75f0fa92de9d2913.png)

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1013574987909824512
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: greece66 on July 01, 2018, 08:44:22 PM
(https://i.gyazo.com/b8a03e3495f33503123c617af5c76edb.png)

https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/1013583186742218752
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Neurotic Guy on July 01, 2018, 08:48:30 PM
Yeah, so affirmation for Lakers fans that their beloved franchise need only create timely cap space and they’ll land the top player in the game.  Hopefully they won’t get their 2nd top 5 player by emptying their assets for Kawhi.  At least there will be no PG or CP3.   

I hate the Lakers.  Hate.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: rondofan1255 on July 01, 2018, 09:09:56 PM
Quote
New York has agreed to a one-year, $6.5M deal with Mario Hezonja, league source tell ESPN.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1013590191578255360
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: rondofan1255 on July 01, 2018, 09:57:33 PM
Quote
Orlando RFA Aaron Gordon has agreed to a four-year, $84 million deal to re-sign with the Magic, league sources tell Yahoo.

https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/1013600987150475264?s=21
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: SparzWizard on July 01, 2018, 10:33:15 PM
SportsCenter

Verified account
 
@SportsCenter
  2m2 minutes ago
Breaking: Free agent Lance Stephenson has agreed to join the Los Angeles Lakers, league sources tell @ChrisBHaynes.

Wow, now Lance Stephenson AND LeBron James are teammates!
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Monkhouse on July 01, 2018, 10:38:49 PM
Doesn't the offset of moves that the Lakers have done decreases their cap space greatly?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: rondofan1255 on July 01, 2018, 11:16:02 PM
Quote
Payton will sign a one-year deal with Pelicans, a return to his hometown.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1013617155177418752
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: greece66 on July 02, 2018, 06:40:02 AM
(https://i.gyazo.com/57846553b6487080a9ba7c97d2b1ff65.png)

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1013579124743524352

Conflicting info so far on James' contract, so take this with a pinch of salt.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: rondofan1255 on July 02, 2018, 12:11:30 PM
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Free agent guard JJ Redick will return to the Philadelphia 76ers on a 1-year deal in the $12M-to-13M range, league sources tell ESPN

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1013816787832623106?s=21
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: rondofan1255 on July 02, 2018, 03:57:11 PM
Quote
Free agent Jose Calderon agrees to a one-year, $2.4 million deal with Detroit, league sources tell ESPN.

https://twitter.com/chrisbhaynes/status/1013872067551289344?s=21
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Sophomore on July 02, 2018, 04:07:58 PM
Derrick Favors got 2 years, $36 million.

That seems like a lot for a power forward who's just OK.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Surferdad on July 02, 2018, 04:17:41 PM
Quote
Orlando RFA Aaron Gordon has agreed to a four-year, $84 million deal to re-sign with the Magic, league sources tell Yahoo.

https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/1013600987150475264?s=21
Indy was after him, but this is good for C's fans.  I'd rather that the better-than-average EC players to go worse-than-average EC teams, or to the WC.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: RJ87 on July 02, 2018, 04:17:47 PM
Quote
David Aldridge

Verified account
 
@daldridgetnt
Follow Follow @daldridgetnt
More
Vet minimum for Nerlens Noel in OKC (@ShamsCharania first), who picked the Thunder over the Lakers and Wizards. Billy Donovan contacted him immediately Saturday morning, and Russell Westbrook and Paul George both reached out as well.

https://twitter.com/daldridgetnt/status/1013865977384235009

Vet min for Noel... Should've taken that $70m when he had a chance.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: rondofan1255 on July 02, 2018, 05:12:20 PM
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Free agent Mike Scott has agreed to a one-year deal with the Clippers, league sources tell ESPN.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1013886427539623936?s=21

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Sources: The Washington Wizards have claimed former Lakers forward Thomas Bryant off waivers.

https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/1013890768543592449?s=21

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The Indiana Pacers have released veteran center Al Jefferson, league sources tell Yahoo.

https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/1013893282802388992?s=21
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Surferdad on July 02, 2018, 05:15:26 PM
Derrick Favors got 2 years, $36 million.

That seems like a lot for a power forward who's just OK.
Pretty close to Tristan Thompson money.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: MattyIce on July 02, 2018, 05:19:18 PM
Adrian Wojnarowski

Verified account
 
@wojespn
 1m1 minute ago
More
The Lakers have renounced Julius Randle, making him an unrestricted free agent, league source tells ESPN.


https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1013894241020514304
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: MattyIce on July 02, 2018, 05:23:36 PM
Source: Rajon Rondo agrees to deal with Lakers.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Mike Pemulis on July 02, 2018, 05:30:53 PM
Rondo for 9M, waiving Randle created 13.8M in cap space (per Bobby Marks). Since Rondo signed, does this make it impossible for a Pelicans-Lakers to complete a sign and trade involving Randle and Rondo/Boogie? It seems Lonzo's services are unnecessary . What else could this mean? Is this a foreshadowing move?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: libermaniac on July 02, 2018, 05:58:49 PM
Rondo for 9M, waiving Randle created 13.8M in cap space (per Bobby Marks). Since Rondo signed, does this make it impossible for a Pelicans-Lakers to complete a sign and trade involving Randle and Rondo/Boogie? It seems Lonzo's services are unnecessary . What else could this mean? Is this a foreshadowing move?
Has to be.  Rondo wouldn't sign on to be a backup, and they wouldn't pay $9MM for a backup.  And, Ball needs minutes to develop his game.  Something has to give I would imagine.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Monkhouse on July 02, 2018, 06:20:03 PM
Quote
Tyreke Evans has reportedly signed a 1-year deal with the Pacers, reports @SneakerReporter.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: tazzmaniac on July 02, 2018, 06:22:23 PM
Quote
Tyreke Evans has reportedly signed a 1-year deal with the Pacers, reports @SneakerReporter.
That's a nice acquisition. 
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: jpotter33 on July 02, 2018, 06:22:43 PM
Quote
Tyreke Evans has reportedly signed a 1-year deal with the Pacers, reports @SneakerReporter.

Oh wow. Pacers might end up being the toughest competition in the East. While not the West, a 𝚃𝚘𝚙-4 of Boston, Toronto, Philly, and Indy is certainly still formidable.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: blink on July 02, 2018, 06:25:21 PM
Quote
Tyreke Evans has reportedly signed a 1-year deal with the Pacers, reports @SneakerReporter.

Oh wow. Pacers might end up being the toughest competition in the East. While not the West, a 𝚃𝚘𝚙-4 of Boston, Toronto, Philly, and Indy is certainly still formidable.

I was worried about the Pacers going hard after Smart.  Can we take them off the smart list after this signing?  And yes, the Pacers are going to be sneaky good.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Birdman on July 02, 2018, 06:27:09 PM
This is a verified move:
Anthony Davis just bought a mansion in LA!!! When becomes a FA, he be a Laker  probably 😞
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: CelticSooner on July 02, 2018, 06:29:30 PM
This is a verified move:
Anthony Davis just bought a mansion in LA!!! When becomes a FA, he be a Laker  probably 😞

Do you know how many players have homes in LA? lol
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Birdman on July 02, 2018, 06:34:43 PM
This is a verified move:
Anthony Davis just bought a mansion in LA!!! When becomes a FA, he be a Laker  probably 😞

Do you know how many players have homes in LA? lol
Alot!!! But way New orleans are going, he wont stay there
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Monkhouse on July 02, 2018, 06:37:31 PM
This is a verified move:
Anthony Davis just bought a mansion in LA!!! When becomes a FA, he be a Laker  probably 😞

Do you know how many players have homes in LA? lol
Alot!!! But way New orleans are going, he wont stay there

Good, he can stay in LA in the off-season, but brave the cold when he comes to Boston.  ;D ;D :angel: :angel:
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: SparzWizard on July 02, 2018, 06:37:58 PM
Yeah I'm convinced the Lakers are about to start a dynasty with AD buying an LA mansion, Rondo there, LBJ there and Kawhi soon to be there.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Monkhouse on July 02, 2018, 06:40:32 PM
Yeah I'm convinced the Lakers are about to start a dynasty with AD buying an LA mansion, Rondo there, LBJ there and Kawhi soon to be there.

LeBron will be 35, by the time AD can conclusively force a trade out, and I seriously doubt AD is going to be that much interested in Kawhi/Rondo/LBJ if Kawhi doesn't end up there, and they get knocked out of the 1st round. Which I gather, that will probably happen.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Who on July 02, 2018, 06:44:10 PM
Quote
New York has agreed to a one-year, $6.5M deal with Mario Hezonja, league source tell ESPN.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1013590191578255360

Nice low cost & risk high upside signing.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Monkhouse on July 02, 2018, 06:49:13 PM
Quote
According to multiple sources Julius Randle asked to be renounced by the the Lakers once it became clear his role could dramatically change this season and the team wasn’t interested in making a longer term commitment to him.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: saltlover on July 02, 2018, 06:55:58 PM
Quote
Tyreke Evans has reportedly signed a 1-year deal with the Pacers, reports @SneakerReporter.

Oh wow. Pacers might end up being the toughest competition in the East. While not the West, a 𝚃𝚘𝚙-4 of Boston, Toronto, Philly, and Indy is certainly still formidable.

I was worried about the Pacers going hard after Smart.  Can we take them off the smart list after this signing?  And yes, the Pacers are going to be sneaky good.

I like Tyreke, but he’s gotten a bit overrated around here.  Yes, he shot the ball great last year, but he’s a career 31% shooter from 3, and even after the new year his shooting had dipped below 35%, much closer to his career average, or even his more recent trend, than the 43% he shot for the first couple of months.  On top of that he played all of 52 games last year, coming off of seasons where he played in only 25 and 40.  He still does other things well enough, but he’s primarily depth.

I’m sure he’ll have his uses, but he does not turn the Pacers into a team that challenges Boston, Toronto, or Philly.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: rondofan1255 on July 02, 2018, 06:56:11 PM
Quote
According to multiple sources Julius Randle asked to be renounced by the the Lakers once it became clear his role could dramatically change this season and the team wasn’t interested in making a longer term commitment to him.

added link:
https://twitter.com/ramonashelburne/status/1013916688247472129
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: celticinorlando on July 02, 2018, 06:56:39 PM
Randle to NO...2 for 18
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Mike Pemulis on July 02, 2018, 06:57:08 PM
Randle to NO, 2 years 18M.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: tazzmaniac on July 02, 2018, 06:57:47 PM
Randle to NO...2 for 18
Woj says AD recruited Randle. 
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: hpantazo on July 02, 2018, 06:58:00 PM
Randle to NO, 2 years 18M.

They preferred Randle at 9 million vs Cousins at 10-12. That's got to tell you something.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: footey on July 02, 2018, 07:23:59 PM
Quote
Tyreke Evans has reportedly signed a 1-year deal with the Pacers, reports @SneakerReporter.

Oh wow. Pacers might end up being the toughest competition in the East. While not the West, a 𝚃𝚘𝚙-4 of Boston, Toronto, Philly, and Indy is certainly still formidable.

I was worried about the Pacers going hard after Smart.  Can we take them off the smart list after this signing?  And yes, the Pacers are going to be sneaky good.

I like Tyreke, but he’s gotten a bit overrated around here.  Yes, he shot the ball great last year, but he’s a career 31% shooter from 3, and even after the new year his shooting had dipped below 35%, much closer to his career average, or even his more recent trend, than the 43% he shot for the first couple of months.  On top of that he played all of 52 games last year, coming off of seasons where he played in only 25 and 40.  He still does other things well enough, but he’s primarily depth.

I’m sure he’ll have his uses, but he does not turn the Pacers into a team that challenges Boston, Toronto, or Philly.

How much? Does this take them out of Marcus Smart bidding?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: rondofan1255 on July 02, 2018, 07:26:22 PM
Quote
Tyreke Evans has reportedly signed a 1-year deal with the Pacers, reports @SneakerReporter.

Oh wow. Pacers might end up being the toughest competition in the East. While not the West, a 𝚃𝚘𝚙-4 of Boston, Toronto, Philly, and Indy is certainly still formidable.

I was worried about the Pacers going hard after Smart.  Can we take them off the smart list after this signing?  And yes, the Pacers are going to be sneaky good.

I like Tyreke, but he’s gotten a bit overrated around here.  Yes, he shot the ball great last year, but he’s a career 31% shooter from 3, and even after the new year his shooting had dipped below 35%, much closer to his career average, or even his more recent trend, than the 43% he shot for the first couple of months.  On top of that he played all of 52 games last year, coming off of seasons where he played in only 25 and 40.  He still does other things well enough, but he’s primarily depth.

I’m sure he’ll have his uses, but he does not turn the Pacers into a team that challenges Boston, Toronto, or Philly.

Agreed about the overrated part. Also, the reputable sources haven't confirmed the Tyreke deal.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Mike Pemulis on July 02, 2018, 07:56:40 PM
Seth Curry to Portland. 2 year deal. Per Woj.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: greece66 on July 02, 2018, 08:00:54 PM
Seth Curry to Portland. 2 year deal. Per Woj.

He is a good on-ball defender, that should help them.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Mike Pemulis on July 02, 2018, 08:35:00 PM
boogie to GSw.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: JSD on July 02, 2018, 08:36:37 PM
Boogie to GSW...


All over twitter
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: footey on July 02, 2018, 08:37:18 PM
Wow
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: footey on July 02, 2018, 08:37:41 PM
Rich get richer
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: jpotter33 on July 02, 2018, 08:38:21 PM
http://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1013944303461134336

Lol what a joke.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on July 02, 2018, 08:38:45 PM
http://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1013944303461134336

Lol what a joke.

HOLY MOLLY!

For the MLE!? Jesus Christ!
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: knuckleballer on July 02, 2018, 08:38:48 PM
boogie to GSw.

Let's hope he wreaks havoc in the locker room.  Otherwise, that team is unbeatable.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on July 02, 2018, 08:39:01 PM
I'm gonna be sick.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: celticinorlando on July 02, 2018, 08:39:48 PM
I just don't how in the world the Warriors can afford all of these guys
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on July 02, 2018, 08:40:04 PM
How the Warriors pull that off for the MLE, I have no freaking clue.

What a grab. I know he still has to prove he's healthy, but my God!
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Celts Fan 508 on July 02, 2018, 08:40:48 PM
I hope he ruins that locker room.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: jpotter33 on July 02, 2018, 08:41:11 PM
Like, my God, I know he’s coming off of a major injury, but that’s just...

Hopefully he’s toast. Just seriously can’t believe these things keep falling their way.

And, again, I know he’s injured, but what a weak move.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: gouki88 on July 02, 2018, 08:43:18 PM
Having another MVP caliber player like Kawhi right now would sure be nice

Yuck
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: celticinorlando on July 02, 2018, 08:43:23 PM
Adam Silver has to get this under control. He has a regular season that is pointless and now a playoffs that is pointless.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Birdman on July 02, 2018, 08:47:42 PM
Adam Silver has to get this under control. He has a regular season that is pointless and now a playoffs that is pointless.
yea...u got maybe 4 teams that can win it all
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Monkhouse on July 02, 2018, 08:49:38 PM
Wow, just upset at how these guys just take the easy way out... Well I hope Boogie stays injured... Just as lame for even taking 5.3 million contract. Pfft.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: celticinorlando on July 02, 2018, 08:51:39 PM
Adam Silver has to get this under control. He has a regular season that is pointless and now a playoffs that is pointless.
yea...u got maybe 4 teams that can win it all

You have the Warriors and everyone else. Not even close. Boston would win 1 or 2 max games vs them in a series
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: action781 on July 02, 2018, 08:54:50 PM
Adam Silver has to get this under control. He has a regular season that is pointless and now a playoffs that is pointless.

I don't think there's any problem.  Adam Silver and the NBAPA already have it under control with rules in place that will cause GSW to be paying so much in tax soon they will have to break it all up.  Every fan wants free agents to sign with their team for a discount for a chance to win and has every right to.  GSW is not exempt from that right.

No team is unbeatable.  Don't forget about the 2004 Lakers team that added two hall of famers in free agency after winning 3 of the last 4 titles.  1996 Rockets added Charles Barkley after having won 2 of the last 3 titles and never saw another Finals.  Miami Heat were defeated twice in a four-year span.  Lots of these "super teams" look a lot more unbeatable at first than they end up being.

Cousins best attribute is his scoring.  If his shot attempts have to come by taking some away from Curry, Klay, and Durant, then that is not necessarily going to make their offense any more efficient.  I'm not even positive that Cousins is a great fit for GSW.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Mike Pemulis on July 02, 2018, 08:55:02 PM
Aron Baynes just yawned.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on July 02, 2018, 08:56:32 PM
Adam Silver has to get this under control. He has a regular season that is pointless and now a playoffs that is pointless.

I don't think there's any problem.  Adam Silver and the NBAPA already have it under control with rules in place that will cause GSW to be paying so much in tax soon they will have to break it all up.  Every fan wants free agents to sign with their team for a discount for a chance to win and has every right to.  GSW is not exempt from that right.

No team is unbeatable.  Don't forget about the 2004 Lakers team that added two hall of famers in free agency after winning 3 of the last 4 titles.  1996 Rockets added Charles Barkley after having won 2 of the last 3 titles and never saw another Finals.  Miami Heat were defeated twice in a four-year span.  Lots of these "super teams" look a lot more unbeatable at first than they end up being.

Cousins best attribute is his scoring.  If his shot attempts have to come by taking some away from Curry, Klay, and Durant, then that is not necessarily going to make their offense any more efficient.  I'm not even positive that Cousins is a great fit for GSW.

It gives the Warriors a low post threat, something they haven't had even thought they're winning all this time.

That's scary. How do you defend the Warriors now when they can throw it in to Boogie and let him do work, and if you double, KD, Klay and Steph are waiting.

Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: jpotter33 on July 02, 2018, 08:57:33 PM
Adam Silver has to get this under control. He has a regular season that is pointless and now a playoffs that is pointless.
yea...u got maybe 4 teams that can win it all

You have the Warriors and everyone else. Not even close. Boston would win 1 or 2 max games vs them in a series

It’s kind of funny how quick you are to jump off the ledge lol

It’s not as bad as it seems. It certainly could work out if Cousins is healthy, but I don’t think it’s likely. An Achilles injury in a 280 lb professional basketball player has to be one of the more questionable recoveries in sports.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: action781 on July 02, 2018, 09:19:31 PM
Adam Silver has to get this under control. He has a regular season that is pointless and now a playoffs that is pointless.

I don't think there's any problem.  Adam Silver and the NBAPA already have it under control with rules in place that will cause GSW to be paying so much in tax soon they will have to break it all up.  Every fan wants free agents to sign with their team for a discount for a chance to win and has every right to.  GSW is not exempt from that right.

No team is unbeatable.  Don't forget about the 2004 Lakers team that added two hall of famers in free agency after winning 3 of the last 4 titles.  1996 Rockets added Charles Barkley after having won 2 of the last 3 titles and never saw another Finals.  Miami Heat were defeated twice in a four-year span.  Lots of these "super teams" look a lot more unbeatable at first than they end up being.

Cousins best attribute is his scoring.  If his shot attempts have to come by taking some away from Curry, Klay, and Durant, then that is not necessarily going to make their offense any more efficient.  I'm not even positive that Cousins is a great fit for GSW.

It gives the Warriors a low post threat, something they haven't had even thought they're winning all this time.

That's scary. How do you defend the Warriors now when they can throw it in to Boogie and let him do work, and if you double, KD, Klay and Steph are waiting.

You let Boogie go ahead and do work and don't double.  What is more efficient -- Boogie post up possessions or any other possession GSW normally runs?  Yeah, Boogie post ups are always a threat, but they are no more threatening or scary than what GSW would normally get.  I'd argue less threatening.  Post ups will zap the energy out of their offense too.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Beat LA on July 02, 2018, 09:20:34 PM
Adam Silver has to get this under control. He has a regular season that is pointless and now a playoffs that is pointless.

I don't think there's any problem.  Adam Silver and the NBAPA already have it under control with rules in place that will cause GSW to be paying so much in tax soon they will have to break it all up.  Every fan wants free agents to sign with their team for a discount for a chance to win and has every right to.  GSW is not exempt from that right.

No team is unbeatable.  Don't forget about the 2004 Lakers team that added two hall of famers in free agency after winning 3 of the last 4 titles.  1996 Rockets added Charles Barkley after having won 2 of the last 3 titles and never saw another Finals.  Miami Heat were defeated twice in a four-year span.  Lots of these "super teams" look a lot more unbeatable at first than they end up being.

Cousins best attribute is his scoring.  If his shot attempts have to come by taking some away from Curry, Klay, and Durant, then that is not necessarily going to make their offense any more efficient.  I'm not even positive that Cousins is a great fit for GSW.

It gives the Warriors a low post threat, something they haven't had even thought they're winning all this time.

That's scary. How do you defend the Warriors now when they can throw it in to Boogie and let him do work, and if you double, KD, Klay and Steph are waiting.

Do you think that they'd start Bell and opt to bring Cousins along, slowly, as their 6th man instead of starting DMC from the beginning?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Sophomore on July 02, 2018, 09:20:35 PM
Derrick Favors got 2 years, $36 million.

That seems like a lot for a power forward who's just OK.
Pretty close to Tristan Thompson money.

Sure, but this year few teams have a lot of free agent money, especially for bigs with limited permimeter abilities. Also, Utah isn’t the Cavs, splurging to make LeBron happy. I guess it’s a good thing the deal is short.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: RockinRyA on July 02, 2018, 09:47:48 PM
Adam Silver has to get this under control. He has a regular season that is pointless and now a playoffs that is pointless.

I don't think there's any problem.  Adam Silver and the NBAPA already have it under control with rules in place that will cause GSW to be paying so much in tax soon they will have to break it all up.  Every fan wants free agents to sign with their team for a discount for a chance to win and has every right to.  GSW is not exempt from that right.

No team is unbeatable.  Don't forget about the 2004 Lakers team that added two hall of famers in free agency after winning 3 of the last 4 titles.  1996 Rockets added Charles Barkley after having won 2 of the last 3 titles and never saw another Finals.  Miami Heat were defeated twice in a four-year span.  Lots of these "super teams" look a lot more unbeatable at first than they end up being.

Cousins best attribute is his scoring.  If his shot attempts have to come by taking some away from Curry, Klay, and Durant, then that is not necessarily going to make their offense any more efficient.  I'm not even positive that Cousins is a great fit for GSW.

It gives the Warriors a low post threat, something they haven't had even thought they're winning all this time.

That's scary. How do you defend the Warriors now when they can throw it in to Boogie and let him do work, and if you double, KD, Klay and Steph are waiting.

You let Boogie go ahead and do work and don't double.  What is more efficient -- Boogie post up possessions or any other possession GSW normally runs?  Yeah, Boogie post ups are always a threat, but they are no more threatening or scary than what GSW would normally get.  I'd argue less threatening.  Post ups will zap the energy out of their offense too.

Having it as an option is bad? Was it bad when we were abuaing the Bucks with Horford Post-ups? Fyi Cousins can space the floor. He can play pnr.

Basketball-wise he is a great fit. The only real concern is well, if he can regain his form.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on July 02, 2018, 09:49:53 PM
Let’s keep conversation to other threads and actual signings to this thread.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: greece66 on July 02, 2018, 10:04:33 PM
(https://i.gyazo.com/441cf822a4f1a6eb5145f03a5435694c.png)

https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1013929125071945729
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: MattyIce on July 03, 2018, 01:01:29 AM
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Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Surferdad on July 03, 2018, 08:42:57 AM
Adam Silver has to get this under control. He has a regular season that is pointless and now a playoffs that is pointless.

I don't think there's any problem.  Adam Silver and the NBAPA already have it under control with rules in place that will cause GSW to be paying so much in tax soon they will have to break it all up.  Every fan wants free agents to sign with their team for a discount for a chance to win and has every right to.  GSW is not exempt from that right.

No team is unbeatable.  Don't forget about the 2004 Lakers team that added two hall of famers in free agency after winning 3 of the last 4 titles.  1996 Rockets added Charles Barkley after having won 2 of the last 3 titles and never saw another Finals.  Miami Heat were defeated twice in a four-year span.  Lots of these "super teams" look a lot more unbeatable at first than they end up being.

Cousins best attribute is his scoring.  If his shot attempts have to come by taking some away from Curry, Klay, and Durant, then that is not necessarily going to make their offense any more efficient.  I'm not even positive that Cousins is a great fit for GSW.

It gives the Warriors a low post threat, something they haven't had even thought they're winning all this time.

That's scary. How do you defend the Warriors now when they can throw it in to Boogie and let him do work, and if you double, KD, Klay and Steph are waiting.
If GSW go undefeated in the regular season (or lose 5 games or less), then sweep 16 in the playoffs, then Adam Silver has a problem.  You can't deny that.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: BitterJim on July 03, 2018, 08:44:50 AM
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Good for him! Not the money I expected him to get when we traded him, but still a very good deal for him (and the possibility of a bigger paycheck later)
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: BitterJim on July 03, 2018, 08:46:24 AM
Adam Silver has to get this under control. He has a regular season that is pointless and now a playoffs that is pointless.

I don't think there's any problem.  Adam Silver and the NBAPA already have it under control with rules in place that will cause GSW to be paying so much in tax soon they will have to break it all up.  Every fan wants free agents to sign with their team for a discount for a chance to win and has every right to.  GSW is not exempt from that right.

No team is unbeatable.  Don't forget about the 2004 Lakers team that added two hall of famers in free agency after winning 3 of the last 4 titles.  1996 Rockets added Charles Barkley after having won 2 of the last 3 titles and never saw another Finals.  Miami Heat were defeated twice in a four-year span.  Lots of these "super teams" look a lot more unbeatable at first than they end up being.

Cousins best attribute is his scoring.  If his shot attempts have to come by taking some away from Curry, Klay, and Durant, then that is not necessarily going to make their offense any more efficient.  I'm not even positive that Cousins is a great fit for GSW.

It gives the Warriors a low post threat, something they haven't had even thought they're winning all this time.

That's scary. How do you defend the Warriors now when they can throw it in to Boogie and let him do work, and if you double, KD, Klay and Steph are waiting.

Do you think that they'd start Bell and opt to bring Cousins along, slowly, as their 6th man instead of starting DMC from the beginning?

They'll have to start someone else at the beginning of the season. Boogie won't be ready to go day 1
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on July 03, 2018, 08:47:10 AM
Let’s keep conversation to other threads and actual signings to this thread.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: hpantazo on July 03, 2018, 08:54:56 AM
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Good for him! Not the money I expected him to get when we traded him, but still a very good deal for him (and the possibility of a bigger paycheck later)

That's got to set the market for Smart, right? There's no way Smart gets significantly more than Bradley.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: action781 on July 03, 2018, 11:04:58 AM
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Good for him! Not the money I expected him to get when we traded him, but still a very good deal for him (and the possibility of a bigger paycheck later)

That's got to set the market for Smart, right? There's no way Smart gets significantly more than Bradley.

Good point.  I wouldn't expect Smart to get any more at all than Bradley unless a team offers it just to screw the Celtics.  Every team needs a shooter who can defend like Bradley, not every team can play Smart if they already have guards who can't shoot.  I'm starting to think $40mil/4yrs is about the right price.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: OHCeltic on July 03, 2018, 11:16:45 AM
4yrs 32 mill  is about right for Smart  lets not over pay or out bid ourselves
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on July 03, 2018, 11:24:12 AM
Let’s keep conversation to other threads and actual signings to this thread.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: rondofan1255 on July 03, 2018, 03:15:28 PM
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Sources: Free agent Jeff Green has agreed to a one-year, $2.5M deal with the Washington Wizards

https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/1014225434924535808?s=21

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Michael Carter-Williams has reached deal with Rockets, source tells ESPN

One-year, minimum deal

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1014207178352267271?s=21

Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Monkhouse on July 03, 2018, 03:42:26 PM
Still don't get the Jeff Green signing... I mean someone has to be on the move, and it's pretty crazy that DMC of all places, didn't even want to go to the Wizards to play with his homeboi John Wall.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: celticsclay on July 03, 2018, 03:45:35 PM
Still don't get the Jeff Green signing... I mean someone has to be on the move, and it's pretty crazy that DMC of all places, didn't even want to go to the Wizards to play with his homeboi John Wall.

seems like they didn't want him rather than DMC didn't want to go there...
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Monkhouse on July 03, 2018, 03:48:38 PM
Still don't get the Jeff Green signing... I mean someone has to be on the move, and it's pretty crazy that DMC of all places, didn't even want to go to the Wizards to play with his homeboi John Wall.

seems like they didn't want him rather than DMC didn't want to go there...

That isn't true. They have been linked to Cousins for years now.

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The Washington Wizards have interest in DeMarcus Cousins in a sign-and-trade.

Cousins has long been linked to his former Kentucky teammate John Wall.

Sources, however, say the odds are long that a deal will actually be worked.

Alex Len is a more realistic target for the Wizards at center.

Cousins could be down to the Los Angeles Lakers and New Orleans Pelicans for his free agency market.

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Cousins, one of the top big men on the market, received interest from several teams — including the New Orleans Pelican, Dallas Mavericks and Washington Wizards. Cousins entered free agency after suffering a torn Achilles tendon in late January. A four-time All-Star, Cousins was expected to land a maximum contract on the open market before the injury. 19 hours ago – via Yahoo! Sports
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: RJ87 on July 03, 2018, 03:49:14 PM
Still don't get the Jeff Green signing... I mean someone has to be on the move, and it's pretty crazy that DMC of all places, didn't even want to go to the Wizards to play with his homeboi John Wall.

seems like they didn't want him rather than DMC didn't want to go there...

That locker room in Washington always seems like it's on the verge of imploding. Not sure adding DMC would've been the right call.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Roy H. on July 03, 2018, 03:58:47 PM
Still don't get the Jeff Green signing... I mean someone has to be on the move, and it's pretty crazy that DMC of all places, didn't even want to go to the Wizards to play with his homeboi John Wall.

seems like they didn't want him rather than DMC didn't want to go there...

DC could only offer the MLE. If you’re Boogie, money being equal, would you prefer them or the Warriors?

My guess is he could have gone to DC, but made a smarter choice.

Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: MattyIce on July 03, 2018, 04:01:31 PM
Sources: Free agent Tyreke Evans is signing a 1-year, $12M deal with the Indiana Pacers.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Birdman on July 03, 2018, 04:01:37 PM
Tyreke Evans to Indiana
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: RJ87 on July 03, 2018, 04:02:01 PM
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Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on July 03, 2018, 04:04:20 PM
Any one have a link with what teams have for cap space and MLE, room, biannual, etc. left?

I'm curious if there are going to be any Smart suitors.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: saltlover on July 03, 2018, 04:07:29 PM
Any one have a link with what teams have for cap space and MLE, room, biannual, etc. left?

I'm curious if there are going to be any Smart suitors.

No links, just keeping track of it in my head.  Just posted this in the Tyreke thread:


Congrats Tyreke.  There are now only four teams with cap room greater than the mid-level: Atlanta, Chicago, Philly, and Sacramento.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Monkhouse on July 03, 2018, 04:09:38 PM
Any one have a link with what teams have for cap space and MLE, room, biannual, etc. left?

I'm curious if there are going to be any Smart suitors.

Realistically speaking, the only team with the most cap space now is the Hawks with $14,170,182.

And I really don't think Smart is going to go there. As Saltlover said above, Philly, and Sacramento/Chicago also have cap space, but you can certainly strike out Sacramento, and Chicago has already said they don't want to take on additional salary until next year.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/cap/
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: tstorey_97 on July 03, 2018, 04:12:18 PM
Adam Silver has to get this under control. He has a regular season that is pointless and now a playoffs that is pointless.

I don't think there's any problem.  Adam Silver and the NBAPA already have it under control with rules in place that will cause GSW to be paying so much in tax soon they will have to break it all up.  Every fan wants free agents to sign with their team for a discount for a chance to win and has every right to.  GSW is not exempt from that right.

No team is unbeatable.  Don't forget about the 2004 Lakers team that added two hall of famers in free agency after winning 3 of the last 4 titles.  1996 Rockets added Charles Barkley after having won 2 of the last 3 titles and never saw another Finals.  Miami Heat were defeated twice in a four-year span.  Lots of these "super teams" look a lot more unbeatable at first than they end up being.

Cousins best attribute is his scoring.  If his shot attempts have to come by taking some away from Curry, Klay, and Durant, then that is not necessarily going to make their offense any more efficient.  I'm not even positive that Cousins is a great fit for GSW.

Amen...TP.

Just a minute...the ejections and the technical fouls alone are gonna make GSW a "better" team.. They barely had any of those all important stats last year.

Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Roy H. on July 03, 2018, 04:12:30 PM
Any one have a link with what teams have for cap space and MLE, room, biannual, etc. left?

I'm curious if there are going to be any Smart suitors.

No links, just keeping track of it in my head.  Just posted this in the Tyreke thread:


Congrats Tyreke.  There are now only four teams with cap room greater than the mid-level: Atlanta, Chicago, Philly, and Sacramento.

And potentially Brooklyn.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: rondofan1255 on July 03, 2018, 04:12:35 PM
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With Indiana using cap space to sign Tyreke Evans, we are now down to four teams that have significant room: Atlanta ($21M), Chicago ($23M), Philadelphia ($15M) and Sacramento ($18M). This is not an easy market to be a restricted free agent.

https://twitter.com/bobbymarks42/status/1014239353986600960?s=21
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on July 03, 2018, 04:13:12 PM
Any one have a link with what teams have for cap space and MLE, room, biannual, etc. left?

I'm curious if there are going to be any Smart suitors.

No links, just keeping track of it in my head.  Just posted this in the Tyreke thread:


Congrats Tyreke.  There are now only four teams with cap room greater than the mid-level: Atlanta, Chicago, Philly, and Sacramento.

Seems like Parker and Lavine are getting offers from two of those teams. Seems like at least one (if not two) are going to be cap relief teams that trade for bad contracts and draft assets (Denver, OKC).
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: saltlover on July 03, 2018, 04:16:56 PM
Any one have a link with what teams have for cap space and MLE, room, biannual, etc. left?

I'm curious if there are going to be any Smart suitors.

No links, just keeping track of it in my head.  Just posted this in the Tyreke thread:


Congrats Tyreke.  There are now only four teams with cap room greater than the mid-level: Atlanta, Chicago, Philly, and Sacramento.

Seems like Parker and Lavine are getting offers from two of those teams. Seems like at least one (if not two) are going to be cap relief teams that trade for bad contracts and draft assets (Denver, OKC).

The funny thing about OKC is that there very well might not be a team with enough room they could dump Carmelo to (if he agreed to waive his no-trade clause).
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: fairweatherfan on July 03, 2018, 04:22:00 PM
Sixers trading for Wilson Chandler, says Woj and others:

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1014242118116798464

No word yet on what Philly sent out but looks like a salary dump by Denver who is way over the tax line. Very nice pickup for the Sixers.

UPDATE: Sixers got a 2021 2nd and 2022 2nd round swap rights for taking on Chandler's deal, and sent out "minimal cash considerations". Basically got paid to take him. 
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: rondofan1255 on July 03, 2018, 04:24:43 PM
Sixers trading for Wilson Chandler, says Woj and others:

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1014242118116798464

No word yet on what Philly sent out but looks like a salary dump by Denver who is way over the tax line. Very nice pickup for the Sixers.

TP!

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The 76ers are acquiring Wilson Chandler, a 2021 second round pick and the rights to swap 2022 second round picks with the Nuggets for minimal cash considerations, per source.

https://twitter.com/jakelfischer/status/1014242825075150848?s=21
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: CelticsElite on July 03, 2018, 04:26:05 PM
Still don't get the Jeff Green signing... I mean someone has to be on the move, and it's pretty crazy that DMC of all places, didn't even want to go to the Wizards to play with his homeboi John Wall.

seems like they didn't want him rather than DMC didn't want to go there...

That isn't true. They have been linked to Cousins for years now.

Quote
The Washington Wizards have interest in DeMarcus Cousins in a sign-and-trade.

Cousins has long been linked to his former Kentucky teammate John Wall.

Sources, however, say the odds are long that a deal will actually be worked.

Alex Len is a more realistic target for the Wizards at center.

Cousins could be down to the Los Angeles Lakers and New Orleans Pelicans for his free agency market.

Quote
Cousins, one of the top big men on the market, received interest from several teams — including the New Orleans Pelican, Dallas Mavericks and Washington Wizards. Cousins entered free agency after suffering a torn Achilles tendon in late January. A four-time All-Star, Cousins was expected to land a maximum contract on the open market before the injury. 19 hours ago – via Yahoo! Sports
I'm not sure you're aware how severe the injury cousins had. Only warriors made an offer
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on July 03, 2018, 04:34:18 PM
Any one have a link with what teams have for cap space and MLE, room, biannual, etc. left?

I'm curious if there are going to be any Smart suitors.

No links, just keeping track of it in my head.  Just posted this in the Tyreke thread:


Congrats Tyreke.  There are now only four teams with cap room greater than the mid-level: Atlanta, Chicago, Philly, and Sacramento.

Seems like Parker and Lavine are getting offers from two of those teams. Seems like at least one (if not two) are going to be cap relief teams that trade for bad contracts and draft assets (Denver, OKC).

The funny thing about OKC is that there very well might not be a team with enough room they could dump Carmelo to (if he agreed to waive his no-trade clause).

And now there are 3 with cap space. Technically, Chicago could clear enough space for Melo if they rescinded all their qualifying offers.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: saltlover on July 03, 2018, 04:34:52 PM
Sixers trading for Wilson Chandler, says Woj and others:

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1014242118116798464

No word yet on what Philly sent out but looks like a salary dump by Denver who is way over the tax line. Very nice pickup for the Sixers.

UPDATE: Sixers got a 2021 2nd and 2022 2nd round swap rights for taking on Chandler's deal, and sent out "minimal cash considerations". Basically got paid to take him.

Only three teams with cap space now.  Restricted free agents have definitely gotten the short end of the stick this year.  Aaron Gordon is about the only winner.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: tazzmaniac on July 03, 2018, 04:40:06 PM
Sixers trading for Wilson Chandler, says Woj and others:

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1014242118116798464

No word yet on what Philly sent out but looks like a salary dump by Denver who is way over the tax line. Very nice pickup for the Sixers.

UPDATE: Sixers got a 2021 2nd and 2022 2nd round swap rights for taking on Chandler's deal, and sent out "minimal cash considerations". Basically got paid to take him.
Denver saves ~50M in salary and luxury tax with this move.  Nice move by Denver.  The Sixers don't need more 2nd round picks so I guess they preferred Chandler versus trying to sign Ellington.  Not sure if I do but at least it doesn't impact their cap space for next offseason.  Chandler is immediately tradable.  Sixers are down to their room exception which I assume they'll use on a backup center. 
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: tazzmaniac on July 03, 2018, 04:49:02 PM
Sixers trading for Wilson Chandler, says Woj and others:

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1014242118116798464

No word yet on what Philly sent out but looks like a salary dump by Denver who is way over the tax line. Very nice pickup for the Sixers.

UPDATE: Sixers got a 2021 2nd and 2022 2nd round swap rights for taking on Chandler's deal, and sent out "minimal cash considerations". Basically got paid to take him.

Only three teams with cap space now.  Restricted free agents have definitely gotten the short end of the stick this year.  Aaron Gordon is about the only winner.
Houston already lost Ariza.  It'll be interesting what gets done with Capella.  They can't afford to low ball him and have him take his QO.  Smart's market is apparently even worse than I expected.  I thought there was a good chance he'd take the QO and that seems likely now. 

Besides the Bulls and the Hawks who is the 3rd team?
Edit:  I'd forgotten about the Kings.   
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: RJ87 on July 03, 2018, 04:54:13 PM
Sixers trading for Wilson Chandler, says Woj and others:

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1014242118116798464

No word yet on what Philly sent out but looks like a salary dump by Denver who is way over the tax line. Very nice pickup for the Sixers.

UPDATE: Sixers got a 2021 2nd and 2022 2nd round swap rights for taking on Chandler's deal, and sent out "minimal cash considerations". Basically got paid to take him.

Only three teams with cap space now.  Restricted free agents have definitely gotten the short end of the stick this year.  Aaron Gordon is about the only winner.
Houston already lost Ariza.  It'll be interesting what gets done with Capella.  They can't afford to low ball him and have him take his QO.  Smart's market is apparently even worse than I expected.  I thought there was a good chance he'd take the QO and that seems likely now. 

Besides the Bulls and the Hawks who is the 3rd team?
Edit:  I'd forgotten about the Kings.   

The Bulls still have Zach Lavine to worry about. I don't think Atlanta will get involved, they seem committed to keeping their books light while they rebuild (see: Tim Hardaway Jr. last offseason). But let's not tempt the Kangz.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: colincb on July 03, 2018, 04:57:11 PM
Sixers trading for Wilson Chandler, says Woj and others:

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1014242118116798464

No word yet on what Philly sent out but looks like a salary dump by Denver who is way over the tax line. Very nice pickup for the Sixers.

UPDATE: Sixers got a 2021 2nd and 2022 2nd round swap rights for taking on Chandler's deal, and sent out "minimal cash considerations". Basically got paid to take him.

Only three teams with cap space now.  Restricted free agents have definitely gotten the short end of the stick this year.  Aaron Gordon is about the only winner.

ATL and CHI want to use their cap to facilitate deals and SAC wants a SF according to their hometown beat writer. They were looking at Parker supposedly, but moved on because of "fit", and they have a backcourt duo already.

Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: liam on July 03, 2018, 05:27:29 PM
Jeff Green to The Wizards. You know if we play them in the playoffs next year Uncle Jeff will go off in at least one game.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on July 03, 2018, 05:31:50 PM
Weiss: Howard has been bought out and will join the Wizards on a MLE

https://bleacherreport.com/live-blogs/nba-free-agency-2018-7-3
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: MattyIce on July 03, 2018, 06:00:02 PM

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Utah Jazz restricted free agent Dante Exum has agreed to a three-year, $33M contract extension, league sources tell ESPN.

How much of an impact do you think this has on Smart’s negotiations now? Extension vs free agency, but sill the guy who was picked 1 spot ahead of him.

I think Smart could be leaning toward the QO
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
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Seems like a lot of money for a guy who still hasn't shown much.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: rondofan1255 on July 03, 2018, 06:10:44 PM
Favors 18M seemed like a lot too
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: nickagneta on July 03, 2018, 06:20:57 PM
Utah giving out a couple of contracts with overpays. Favors is not an $18 million/year player and Exum is definitely not worth an $11 million/year contract.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: action781 on July 03, 2018, 06:25:30 PM
Utah giving out a couple of contracts with overpays. Favors is not an $18 million/year player and Exum is definitely not worth an $11 million/year contract.

Agree 100%.  Why give Exum $33M/3 years in this market?  What team is even offering him close to that?  Isn't he restricted?  No offer sheet was going to approach that value.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: tazzmaniac on July 03, 2018, 06:25:43 PM
The 2nd year of the Favors contract is apparently non-guaranteed.  I'd hope the 3rd year of the Exum contract is non-guaranteed.  Still more than I'd want to pay for them. 
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: keevsnick on July 03, 2018, 06:52:25 PM

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How much of an impact do you think this has on Smart’s negotiations now? Extension vs free agency, but sill the guy who was picked 1 spot ahead of him.

I think Smart could be leaning toward the QO

If I were smart I would be thinking "im worth more than that guy." But I dont think he is going to get an offer better than that
 My guess is he takes the QO, a guy that thinks he worth more than 13-14 million seems pretty likely to bet on himself.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: greece66 on July 03, 2018, 07:45:43 PM
(https://i.gyazo.com/9f22e1c64e09f965d237356698a45c05.png)

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1014290368706351105
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Csfan1984 on July 03, 2018, 07:56:45 PM
Utah giving out a couple of contracts with overpays. Favors is not an $18 million/year player and Exum is definitely not worth an $11 million/year contract.
I believe Favors is. But Exum is way too much. He is a 4 or 5 million per guy.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: liam on July 03, 2018, 08:00:39 PM
Utah giving out a couple of contracts with overpays. Favors is not an $18 million/year player and Exum is definitely not worth an $11 million/year contract.

Agree 100%.  Why give Exum $33M/3 years in this market?  What team is even offering him close to that?  Isn't he restricted?  No offer sheet was going to approach that value.

So many teams just bidding against themselves.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: greece66 on July 03, 2018, 08:07:17 PM
(https://i.gyazo.com/0f0139479fd96e0811fad3f0342b60f7.png)

https://twitter.com/JaredWeissNBA/status/1014257784605405185
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: jambr380 on July 03, 2018, 08:16:41 PM

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How much of an impact do you think this has on Smart’s negotiations now? Extension vs free agency, but sill the guy who was picked 1 spot ahead of him.

I think Smart could be leaning toward the QO

I liked it better when Lou Williams and his $8M/yr was the new standard for Smart. This deal for Exum will almost surely push Smart to taking the QO. Exum is barely a vet min player at this point; apparently Utah thinks that he is still full of potential.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: footey on July 03, 2018, 09:07:25 PM

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Utah Jazz restricted free agent Dante Exum has agreed to a three-year, $33M contract extension, league sources tell ESPN.

How much of an impact do you think this has on Smart’s negotiations now? Extension vs free agency, but sill the guy who was picked 1 spot ahead of him.

I think Smart could be leaning toward the QO

I liked it better when Lou Williams and his $8M/yr was the new standard for Smart. This deal for Exum will almost surely push Smart to taking the QO. Exum is barely a vet min player at this point; apparently Utah thinks that he is still full of potential.

Huge overpay by Jazz. Dumb.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: keevsnick on July 03, 2018, 09:09:44 PM

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Utah Jazz restricted free agent Dante Exum has agreed to a three-year, $33M contract extension, league sources tell ESPN.

How much of an impact do you think this has on Smart’s negotiations now? Extension vs free agency, but sill the guy who was picked 1 spot ahead of him.

I think Smart could be leaning toward the QO

I liked it better when Lou Williams and his $8M/yr was the new standard for Smart. This deal for Exum will almost surely push Smart to taking the QO. Exum is barely a vet min player at this point; apparently Utah thinks that he is still full of potential.

Huge overpay by Jazz. Dumb.

Maybe, but Exum is still seen as a guy with a lot of long term potential. Right or wrong Smart is not. Idea is Exum could grow to make this a value contract.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: CelticSooner on July 03, 2018, 09:22:06 PM
(https://i.gyazo.com/0f0139479fd96e0811fad3f0342b60f7.png)

https://twitter.com/JaredWeissNBA/status/1014257784605405185

My god that team will be trying to kill each other by the all-star game.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: saltlover on July 03, 2018, 09:27:24 PM
(https://i.gyazo.com/0f0139479fd96e0811fad3f0342b60f7.png)

https://twitter.com/JaredWeissNBA/status/1014257784605405185

My god that team will be trying to kill each other by the all-star game.

Wow indeed.  That locker room already had issues.  Can’t see Dwight helping at all from those regards.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: rondofan1255 on July 04, 2018, 01:28:19 AM
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Free agent guard Raymond Felton has agreed to a one-year deal to return to Oklahoma City, league source tells ESPN.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1014365790781493249
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: SparzWizard on July 04, 2018, 01:39:05 AM
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Free agent guard Raymond Felton has agreed to a one-year deal to return to Oklahoma City, league source tells ESPN.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1014365790781493249

Wow this oversized point guard still around lol
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Surferdad on July 04, 2018, 06:42:29 AM
(https://i.gyazo.com/0f0139479fd96e0811fad3f0342b60f7.png)

https://twitter.com/JaredWeissNBA/status/1014257784605405185

My god that team will be trying to kill each other by the all-star game.

Wow indeed.  That locker room already had issues.  Can’t see Dwight helping at all from those regards.
What's more interesting, that the Wiz chose Howard over Boogie, or that GSW chose Boogie over Howard?   ;D   ;D   ;D
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: greece66 on July 04, 2018, 07:51:10 AM
Joffrey Lauvergne announced his signing with Fenerbahce

https://www.eurohoops.net/en/euroleague/706487/joffrey-lauvergne-announced-his-signing-with-fenerbahce/?a
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: greece66 on July 04, 2018, 11:46:43 AM
(https://i.gyazo.com/5ea2a5e1e9d09c6f202f41ec45953dfc.png)

https://twitter.com/IAmDPick/status/1014508602592256002
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: greece66 on July 04, 2018, 12:56:27 PM
"The Clippers' rebuilt roster could open salary-cap space of almost $70 million next summer"

Article not available in Europe, below is a link to the reddit post

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/8w22ga/the_clippers_rebuilt_roster_could_open_salarycap/
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: tazzmaniac on July 04, 2018, 04:25:30 PM
Per Keith Pompey, Amir resigned with the Sixers for the vet minimum.  That means they still have to room exception to use. 
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Beat LA on July 04, 2018, 04:29:12 PM
(https://i.gyazo.com/0f0139479fd96e0811fad3f0342b60f7.png)

https://twitter.com/JaredWeissNBA/status/1014257784605405185

My god that team will be trying to kill each other by the all-star game.

Wow indeed.  That locker room already had issues.  Can’t see Dwight helping at all from those regards.
What's more interesting, that the Wiz chose Howard over Boogie, or that GSW chose Boogie over Howard?   ;D   ;D   ;D

Yes ;D.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: tazzmaniac on July 04, 2018, 07:34:16 PM
From Mark Stein, 29 of the 52 deals so far are outright 1 year deals.  That doesn't include the 1+1 deals.  2019 free agency is going to be interesting.  Significantly more cap space but lots of free agents too. 
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Birdman on July 05, 2018, 10:16:45 AM
Philadelphia sign Nemanja Bjelica..
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: saltlover on July 05, 2018, 10:18:52 AM
Philadelphia sign Nemanja Bjelica..

Correct.  1 year at the room exception per Jake Fischer.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: celticsclay on July 05, 2018, 02:57:43 PM
Philadelphia sign Nemanja Bjelica..

lot of wings
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on July 05, 2018, 03:00:30 PM
Magic sign Isaiah Briscoe -- might mean Thomas is a no-go
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Monkhouse on July 05, 2018, 03:05:17 PM
Magic sign Isaiah Briscoe -- might mean Thomas is a no-go

Doubt it. Briscoe is a good young PG that won a title with the team he signed with; but if Thomas is healthy enough, he is still the more reputable and deadlier PG. Plus they need a scorer, their defense is solid, their offense is the opposite.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Moranis on July 05, 2018, 03:18:43 PM
Philadelphia sign Nemanja Bjelica..

lot of wings
Bjelica is a 6'10" PF.  Signed to fill Illyasova's role.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: celticsclay on July 05, 2018, 03:36:11 PM
Philadelphia sign Nemanja Bjelica..

lot of wings
Bjelica is a 6'10" PF.  Signed to fill Illyasova's role.

better or worse
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: liam on July 05, 2018, 03:40:43 PM
Philadelphia sign Nemanja Bjelica..

lot of wings
Bjelica is a 6'10" PF.  Signed to fill Illyasova's role.

better or worse

Better for Philly....
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Moranis on July 05, 2018, 03:41:26 PM
Philadelphia sign Nemanja Bjelica..

lot of wings
Bjelica is a 6'10" PF.  Signed to fill Illyasova's role.

better or worse
worse overall player, but a better outside shooter, so might be better in that system and role.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: saltlover on July 05, 2018, 03:43:51 PM
Philadelphia sign Nemanja Bjelica..

lot of wings
Bjelica is a 6'10" PF.  Signed to fill Illyasova's role.

better or worse

Better for Philly....

You’re saying Bjelica is better for Philly than Ilyasova?  I rather disagree with that.  Don’t see him shooting 41% again from 3.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: celticsclay on July 05, 2018, 03:44:45 PM
Philadelphia sign Nemanja Bjelica..

lot of wings
Bjelica is a 6'10" PF.  Signed to fill Illyasova's role.

thats odd. Bjelica got a much smaller contract didn't he? I had really philly preferred illy but got outbid.

better or worse

Better for Philly....
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: tazzmaniac on July 05, 2018, 04:25:02 PM
Philadelphia sign Nemanja Bjelica..

lot of wings
Bjelica is a 6'10" PF.  Signed to fill Illyasova's role.

thats odd. Bjelica got a much smaller contract didn't he? I had really philly preferred illy but got outbid.

better or worse

Better for Philly....
Philly didn't get outbid for Ilyasova.  Ilyasova signed his deal right at the beginning of free agency before Lebron had made his decision.  In any case, the Sixers would never have given Ilyasova a multi-year deal.  So it really doesn't matter other than wondering why the Bucks did. 

I am surprised the Sixers used the room exception at this point.  They already had a roster spot crunch.  I don't see what Bjelica is going to do for them that is worth the room exception or the roster spot.  Doesn't make sense unless they have some other move planned. 
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Moranis on July 05, 2018, 04:33:43 PM
Philadelphia sign Nemanja Bjelica..

lot of wings
Bjelica is a 6'10" PF.  Signed to fill Illyasova's role.

better or worse

Better for Philly....

You’re saying Bjelica is better for Philly than Ilyasova?  I rather disagree with that.  Don’t see him shooting 41% again from 3.
why don't you think he can do that again?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: tazzmaniac on July 05, 2018, 04:47:28 PM
Philadelphia sign Nemanja Bjelica..

lot of wings
Bjelica is a 6'10" PF.  Signed to fill Illyasova's role.

better or worse

Better for Philly....

You’re saying Bjelica is better for Philly than Ilyasova?  I rather disagree with that.  Don’t see him shooting 41% again from 3.
why don't you think he can do that again?
In his 3 NBA seasons he's shot, 38.4%, 31.6% and 41.5% on 2.1, 2.7 and 2.7 attempts.  I'd say the last two are outliers and he's likely to be in the 37 to 38 range. 
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Moranis on July 05, 2018, 04:52:22 PM
Philadelphia sign Nemanja Bjelica..

lot of wings
Bjelica is a 6'10" PF.  Signed to fill Illyasova's role.

better or worse

Better for Philly....

You’re saying Bjelica is better for Philly than Ilyasova?  I rather disagree with that.  Don’t see him shooting 41% again from 3.
why don't you think he can do that again?
In his 3 NBA seasons he's shot, 38.4%, 31.6% and 41.5% on 2.1, 2.7 and 2.7 attempts.  I'd say the last two are outliers and he's likely to be in the 37 to 38 range.
I agree the 2nd year is an outlier, but why shouldn't he shoot better with more experience and on a better team like this 3rd year.  He had seasons in Europe where he shot nearly 50% from 3.  Bjelica has excellent shooting touch.  It is the only thing he does well. 
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: saltlover on July 05, 2018, 04:59:20 PM
Philadelphia sign Nemanja Bjelica..

lot of wings
Bjelica is a 6'10" PF.  Signed to fill Illyasova's role.

better or worse

Better for Philly....

You’re saying Bjelica is better for Philly than Ilyasova?  I rather disagree with that.  Don’t see him shooting 41% again from 3.
why don't you think he can do that again?
In his 3 NBA seasons he's shot, 38.4%, 31.6% and 41.5% on 2.1, 2.7 and 2.7 attempts.  I'd say the last two are outliers and he's likely to be in the 37 to 38 range.
I agree the 2nd year is an outlier, but why shouldn't he shoot better with more experience and on a better team like this 3rd year.  He had seasons in Europe where he shot nearly 50% from 3.  Bjelica has excellent shooting touch.  It is the only thing he does well.

What stats are you looking at?  He’s was a career 35% shooter from 3 in Europe, with his best season coming in at 41%, unless you’re going to count the year he went 8/18 from 3 as an actual full season number.  Considering the number of attempts and the fact that he played all of 12 games, that would be an abuse of statistics.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: celticsclay on July 05, 2018, 05:00:48 PM
Philadelphia sign Nemanja Bjelica..

lot of wings
Bjelica is a 6'10" PF.  Signed to fill Illyasova's role.

thats odd. Bjelica got a much smaller contract didn't he? I had really philly preferred illy but got outbid.

better or worse

Better for Philly....
Philly didn't get outbid for Ilyasova.  Ilyasova signed his deal right at the beginning of free agency before Lebron had made his decision.  In any case, the Sixers would never have given Ilyasova a multi-year deal.  So it really doesn't matter other than wondering why the Bucks did. 

I am surprised the Sixers used the room exception at this point.  They already had a roster spot crunch.  I don't see what Bjelica is going to do for them that is worth the room exception or the roster spot.  Doesn't make sense unless they have some other move planned.

They got outbid in the sense they wanted to keep him. While it is true he got a 3 year deal, the biggest problem is how big each individual year is. If it was a 3 year 12-13 million contract they could have counter with one year 7 million and maybe given reddick 1 or 2 less. Obviously neither of us know what was said between illy and the 76ers and bucks at different points but once he got that much money there was nothing the 76ers could do (I also agree with you it is a ridiculous contract the bucks gave him.) 
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: celticsclay on July 05, 2018, 05:01:43 PM
Philadelphia sign Nemanja Bjelica..

lot of wings
Bjelica is a 6'10" PF.  Signed to fill Illyasova's role.

better or worse

Better for Philly....

You’re saying Bjelica is better for Philly than Ilyasova?  I rather disagree with that.  Don’t see him shooting 41% again from 3.
why don't you think he can do that again?
In his 3 NBA seasons he's shot, 38.4%, 31.6% and 41.5% on 2.1, 2.7 and 2.7 attempts.  I'd say the last two are outliers and he's likely to be in the 37 to 38 range.
I agree the 2nd year is an outlier, but why shouldn't he shoot better with more experience and on a better team like this 3rd year.  He had seasons in Europe where he shot nearly 50% from 3.  Bjelica has excellent shooting touch.  It is the only thing he does well.

What stats are you looking at?  He’s was a career 35% shooter from 3 in Europe, with his best season coming in at 41%, unless you’re going to count the year he went 8/18 from 3 as an actual full season number.  Considering the number of attempts and the fact that he played all of 12 games, that would be an abuse of statistics.

lol I think he was trying to do that and didn't really dig in.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: tazzmaniac on July 05, 2018, 05:27:08 PM
Philadelphia sign Nemanja Bjelica..

lot of wings
Bjelica is a 6'10" PF.  Signed to fill Illyasova's role.

thats odd. Bjelica got a much smaller contract didn't he? I had really philly preferred illy but got outbid.

better or worse

Better for Philly....
Philly didn't get outbid for Ilyasova.  Ilyasova signed his deal right at the beginning of free agency before Lebron had made his decision.  In any case, the Sixers would never have given Ilyasova a multi-year deal.  So it really doesn't matter other than wondering why the Bucks did. 

I am surprised the Sixers used the room exception at this point.  They already had a roster spot crunch.  I don't see what Bjelica is going to do for them that is worth the room exception or the roster spot.  Doesn't make sense unless they have some other move planned.

They got outbid in the sense they wanted to keep him. While it is true he got a 3 year deal, the biggest problem is how big each individual year is. If it was a 3 year 12-13 million contract they could have counter with one year 7 million and maybe given reddick 1 or 2 less. Obviously neither of us know what was said between illy and the 76ers and bucks at different points but once he got that much money there was nothing the 76ers could do (I also agree with you it is a ridiculous contract the bucks gave him.)
They may have liked to keep him on a cheap 1 year deal but he's not important to them.  The Sixers acquired him as salary match in the Grant trade.  The prize for them was the protected 1st.  Then at the trade deadline during the same season when he told them he wanted a multi-year deal they traded him to Atlanta for a couple 2nd rounders.  Last season they wouldn't trade for Ilyasova or Belinelli at the deadline.  They just waited for them to get waived and brought them on for the vet minimum.  Unlike Redick, its pretty clear neither of them were priorities for the Sixers this offseason.     
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: celticsclay on July 05, 2018, 05:42:06 PM
Philadelphia sign Nemanja Bjelica..

lot of wings
Bjelica is a 6'10" PF.  Signed to fill Illyasova's role.

thats odd. Bjelica got a much smaller contract didn't he? I had really philly preferred illy but got outbid.

better or worse

Better for Philly....
Philly didn't get outbid for Ilyasova.  Ilyasova signed his deal right at the beginning of free agency before Lebron had made his decision.  In any case, the Sixers would never have given Ilyasova a multi-year deal.  So it really doesn't matter other than wondering why the Bucks did. 

I am surprised the Sixers used the room exception at this point.  They already had a roster spot crunch.  I don't see what Bjelica is going to do for them that is worth the room exception or the roster spot.  Doesn't make sense unless they have some other move planned.

They got outbid in the sense they wanted to keep him. While it is true he got a 3 year deal, the biggest problem is how big each individual year is. If it was a 3 year 12-13 million contract they could have counter with one year 7 million and maybe given reddick 1 or 2 less. Obviously neither of us know what was said between illy and the 76ers and bucks at different points but once he got that much money there was nothing the 76ers could do (I also agree with you it is a ridiculous contract the bucks gave him.)
They may have liked to keep him on a cheap 1 year deal but he's not important to them.  The Sixers acquired him as salary match in the Grant trade.  The prize for them was the protected 1st.  Then at the trade deadline during the same season when he told them he wanted a multi-year deal they traded him to Atlanta for a couple 2nd rounders.  Last season they wouldn't trade for Ilyasova or Belinelli at the deadline.  They just waited for them to get waived and brought them on for the vet minimum.  Unlike Redick, its pretty clear neither of them were priorities for the Sixers this offseason.   

You say so *shrug*
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Adelaide Celt on July 06, 2018, 01:43:19 AM
Quote
Guard Ryan Broekhoff has agreed to a two-year deal with the Dallas Mavericks, league sources tell Yahoo. Guaranteed in first season

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1015009345837436928

Apparently for $2.4 million, second year non guaranteed. He played for Denver in the summer league last year, Brooklyn were interested as well.

Turns 28 soon so it was probably now or never for him in the NBA. Very pleased to see him get an opportunity.

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Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Moranis on July 06, 2018, 08:57:20 AM
Philadelphia sign Nemanja Bjelica..

lot of wings
Bjelica is a 6'10" PF.  Signed to fill Illyasova's role.

better or worse

Better for Philly....

You’re saying Bjelica is better for Philly than Ilyasova?  I rather disagree with that.  Don’t see him shooting 41% again from 3.
why don't you think he can do that again?
In his 3 NBA seasons he's shot, 38.4%, 31.6% and 41.5% on 2.1, 2.7 and 2.7 attempts.  I'd say the last two are outliers and he's likely to be in the 37 to 38 range.
I agree the 2nd year is an outlier, but why shouldn't he shoot better with more experience and on a better team like this 3rd year.  He had seasons in Europe where he shot nearly 50% from 3.  Bjelica has excellent shooting touch.  It is the only thing he does well.

What stats are you looking at?  He’s was a career 35% shooter from 3 in Europe, with his best season coming in at 41%, unless you’re going to count the year he went 8/18 from 3 as an actual full season number.  Considering the number of attempts and the fact that he played all of 12 games, that would be an abuse of statistics.
That was in Euroleague.  His actual regular seasons he had multiple seasons above 40% from 3.  He is inconsistent, as he does have seasons where he shoots awful.  For example, his 3 seasons for Caja Laboral he shot 43.3, 27.8, and 40 from 3.  His last 2 seasons in Europe with Fenerbache Ulker he shot 40.2 and 39.3.  So overall in 4 of his last 5 seasons in Europe he was between 39.3 and 43.3 with that weird outlier of 27.8.  The 43.3 season he didn't shoot very many, but the other seasons were all well over 2 a game (and the 40% season in Caja he was almost 4 a game).  His last 2 seasons in Euroleague with Fenerbache he shot 41.6 and 35.1.  He was also the Euroleage MVP with Fenerbache in his last year there before coming over, so he does a bit more then shoot, though shooting is his bread and butter. 

Bjelica is an excellent shooter, but he is prone to having awful shooting seasons.  His history suggests he is far more likely to shoot 40% than 30% though, especially when he is on more talented teams that open up shooting lanes for him. 
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: rondofan1255 on July 06, 2018, 11:09:11 AM
Quote
Free agent Kyle O'Quinn has agreed to a one-year, $4.5M deal with the Indiana Pacers, league sources tell Yahoo.

https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/1015248589994553344?s=21
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: saltlover on July 06, 2018, 11:15:08 AM
Philadelphia sign Nemanja Bjelica..

lot of wings
Bjelica is a 6'10" PF.  Signed to fill Illyasova's role.

better or worse

Better for Philly....

You’re saying Bjelica is better for Philly than Ilyasova?  I rather disagree with that.  Don’t see him shooting 41% again from 3.
why don't you think he can do that again?
In his 3 NBA seasons he's shot, 38.4%, 31.6% and 41.5% on 2.1, 2.7 and 2.7 attempts.  I'd say the last two are outliers and he's likely to be in the 37 to 38 range.
I agree the 2nd year is an outlier, but why shouldn't he shoot better with more experience and on a better team like this 3rd year.  He had seasons in Europe where he shot nearly 50% from 3.  Bjelica has excellent shooting touch.  It is the only thing he does well.

What stats are you looking at?  He’s was a career 35% shooter from 3 in Europe, with his best season coming in at 41%, unless you’re going to count the year he went 8/18 from 3 as an actual full season number.  Considering the number of attempts and the fact that he played all of 12 games, that would be an abuse of statistics.
That was in Euroleague.  His actual regular seasons he had multiple seasons above 40% from 3.  He is inconsistent, as he does have seasons where he shoots awful.  For example, his 3 seasons for Caja Laboral he shot 43.3, 27.8, and 40 from 3.  His last 2 seasons in Europe with Fenerbache Ulker he shot 40.2 and 39.3.  So overall in 4 of his last 5 seasons in Europe he was between 39.3 and 43.3 with that weird outlier of 27.8.  The 43.3 season he didn't shoot very many, but the other seasons were all well over 2 a game (and the 40% season in Caja he was almost 4 a game).  His last 2 seasons in Euroleague with Fenerbache he shot 41.6 and 35.1.  He was also the Euroleage MVP with Fenerbache in his last year there before coming over, so he does a bit more then shoot, though shooting is his bread and butter. 

Bjelica is an excellent shooter, but he is prone to having awful shooting seasons.  His history suggests he is far more likely to shoot 40% than 30% though, especially when he is on more talented teams that open up shooting lanes for him.

Euroleague IS the regular season, as is his Turkish league.  Fenerbahce plays in two leagues.  They’re both regular season, although Euroleague is higher quality.  If you subtract out Euroleague you’re a) getting smaller sample size, and b) only taking the numbers against the weaker competition.  You need to combine them both — otherwise you’re simply doing it wrong.

And remember, the Euro 3-point line is 1 foot 8 inches closer — that’s enough to make a difference.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on July 06, 2018, 11:18:48 AM
Quote
Free agent Kyle O'Quinn has agreed to a one-year, $4.5M deal with the Indiana Pacers, league sources tell Yahoo.

https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/1015248589994553344?s=21

Yikes. I like the Pacers. I like O'Quinn, Oladipo, Turner, and Evans together.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: greece66 on July 06, 2018, 11:55:06 AM
(https://i.gyazo.com/07a8350ab2f4ad4b3067065956acb4af.png)

https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/1014869649337520130
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: celticsclay on July 06, 2018, 12:04:16 PM
(https://i.gyazo.com/07a8350ab2f4ad4b3067065956acb4af.png)

https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/1014869649337520130

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2018/7/6/17538272/philadelphia-76ers-free-agency-kawhi-leonard-ben-simmons
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Moranis on July 06, 2018, 01:02:36 PM
Philadelphia sign Nemanja Bjelica..

lot of wings
Bjelica is a 6'10" PF.  Signed to fill Illyasova's role.

better or worse

Better for Philly....

You’re saying Bjelica is better for Philly than Ilyasova?  I rather disagree with that.  Don’t see him shooting 41% again from 3.
why don't you think he can do that again?
In his 3 NBA seasons he's shot, 38.4%, 31.6% and 41.5% on 2.1, 2.7 and 2.7 attempts.  I'd say the last two are outliers and he's likely to be in the 37 to 38 range.
I agree the 2nd year is an outlier, but why shouldn't he shoot better with more experience and on a better team like this 3rd year.  He had seasons in Europe where he shot nearly 50% from 3.  Bjelica has excellent shooting touch.  It is the only thing he does well.

What stats are you looking at?  He’s was a career 35% shooter from 3 in Europe, with his best season coming in at 41%, unless you’re going to count the year he went 8/18 from 3 as an actual full season number.  Considering the number of attempts and the fact that he played all of 12 games, that would be an abuse of statistics.
That was in Euroleague.  His actual regular seasons he had multiple seasons above 40% from 3.  He is inconsistent, as he does have seasons where he shoots awful.  For example, his 3 seasons for Caja Laboral he shot 43.3, 27.8, and 40 from 3.  His last 2 seasons in Europe with Fenerbache Ulker he shot 40.2 and 39.3.  So overall in 4 of his last 5 seasons in Europe he was between 39.3 and 43.3 with that weird outlier of 27.8.  The 43.3 season he didn't shoot very many, but the other seasons were all well over 2 a game (and the 40% season in Caja he was almost 4 a game).  His last 2 seasons in Euroleague with Fenerbache he shot 41.6 and 35.1.  He was also the Euroleage MVP with Fenerbache in his last year there before coming over, so he does a bit more then shoot, though shooting is his bread and butter. 

Bjelica is an excellent shooter, but he is prone to having awful shooting seasons.  His history suggests he is far more likely to shoot 40% than 30% though, especially when he is on more talented teams that open up shooting lanes for him.

Euroleague IS the regular season, as is his Turkish league.  Fenerbahce plays in two leagues.  They’re both regular season, although Euroleague is higher quality.  If you subtract out Euroleague you’re a) getting smaller sample size, and b) only taking the numbers against the weaker competition.  You need to combine them both — otherwise you’re simply doing it wrong.

And remember, the Euro 3-point line is 1 foot 8 inches closer — that’s enough to make a difference.
Then go ahead and combine them.  In 12-13 Euroleage he shot 36 for 116 in 26 games and in the other 33 games he shot 58 for 145.  In 13-14 Euroleage he shot 37 for 89 in 24 games.  In the other 37 games that season he shot 45 of 112.  For 14-15 the numbers are 26 for 74 in 29 Euroleague games and 35 for 89 in 34 other games.  So in his last 3 years in Europe in 183 games he shot nearly 38% from 3, though that is pretty clearly skewed by his awful stint for Laboral in the Euroleague in 12-13.  Take those 26 games out he is just shy of 40%.

Yes the line is closer, but Bjelica has pretty clearly shown a history of being a good to great shooter, especially when he plays for better teams (which Minnesota finally was). 
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: greece66 on July 06, 2018, 01:25:30 PM
Philadelphia sign Nemanja Bjelica..

lot of wings
Bjelica is a 6'10" PF.  Signed to fill Illyasova's role.

better or worse

Better for Philly....

You’re saying Bjelica is better for Philly than Ilyasova?  I rather disagree with that.  Don’t see him shooting 41% again from 3.
why don't you think he can do that again?
In his 3 NBA seasons he's shot, 38.4%, 31.6% and 41.5% on 2.1, 2.7 and 2.7 attempts.  I'd say the last two are outliers and he's likely to be in the 37 to 38 range.
I agree the 2nd year is an outlier, but why shouldn't he shoot better with more experience and on a better team like this 3rd year.  He had seasons in Europe where he shot nearly 50% from 3.  Bjelica has excellent shooting touch.  It is the only thing he does well.

What stats are you looking at?  He’s was a career 35% shooter from 3 in Europe, with his best season coming in at 41%, unless you’re going to count the year he went 8/18 from 3 as an actual full season number.  Considering the number of attempts and the fact that he played all of 12 games, that would be an abuse of statistics.
That was in Euroleague.  His actual regular seasons he had multiple seasons above 40% from 3.  He is inconsistent, as he does have seasons where he shoots awful.  For example, his 3 seasons for Caja Laboral he shot 43.3, 27.8, and 40 from 3.  His last 2 seasons in Europe with Fenerbache Ulker he shot 40.2 and 39.3.  So overall in 4 of his last 5 seasons in Europe he was between 39.3 and 43.3 with that weird outlier of 27.8.  The 43.3 season he didn't shoot very many, but the other seasons were all well over 2 a game (and the 40% season in Caja he was almost 4 a game).  His last 2 seasons in Euroleague with Fenerbache he shot 41.6 and 35.1.  He was also the Euroleage MVP with Fenerbache in his last year there before coming over, so he does a bit more then shoot, though shooting is his bread and butter. 

Bjelica is an excellent shooter, but he is prone to having awful shooting seasons.  His history suggests he is far more likely to shoot 40% than 30% though, especially when he is on more talented teams that open up shooting lanes for him.

Euroleague IS the regular season, as is his Turkish league.  Fenerbahce plays in two leagues.  They’re both regular season, although Euroleague is higher quality.  If you subtract out Euroleague you’re a) getting smaller sample size, and b) only taking the numbers against the weaker competition.  You need to combine them both — otherwise you’re simply doing it wrong.

And remember, the Euro 3-point line is 1 foot 8 inches closer — that’s enough to make a difference.
Then go ahead and combine them.  In 12-13 Euroleage he shot 36 for 116 in 26 games and in the other 33 games he shot 58 for 145.  In 13-14 Euroleage he shot 37 for 89 in 24 games.  In the other 37 games that season he shot 45 of 112.  For 14-15 the numbers are 26 for 74 in 29 Euroleague games and 35 for 89 in 34 other games.  So in his last 3 years in Europe in 183 games he shot nearly 38% from 3, though that is pretty clearly skewed by his awful stint for Laboral in the Euroleague in 12-13.  Take those 26 games out he is just shy of 40%.

Yes the line is closer, but Bjelica has pretty clearly shown a history of being a good to great shooter, especially when he plays for better teams (which Minnesota finally was).

This isnt what most ppl would call "a good to great shooter".
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Moranis on July 06, 2018, 01:32:36 PM
Philadelphia sign Nemanja Bjelica..

lot of wings
Bjelica is a 6'10" PF.  Signed to fill Illyasova's role.

better or worse

Better for Philly....

You’re saying Bjelica is better for Philly than Ilyasova?  I rather disagree with that.  Don’t see him shooting 41% again from 3.
why don't you think he can do that again?
In his 3 NBA seasons he's shot, 38.4%, 31.6% and 41.5% on 2.1, 2.7 and 2.7 attempts.  I'd say the last two are outliers and he's likely to be in the 37 to 38 range.
I agree the 2nd year is an outlier, but why shouldn't he shoot better with more experience and on a better team like this 3rd year.  He had seasons in Europe where he shot nearly 50% from 3.  Bjelica has excellent shooting touch.  It is the only thing he does well.

What stats are you looking at?  He’s was a career 35% shooter from 3 in Europe, with his best season coming in at 41%, unless you’re going to count the year he went 8/18 from 3 as an actual full season number.  Considering the number of attempts and the fact that he played all of 12 games, that would be an abuse of statistics.
That was in Euroleague.  His actual regular seasons he had multiple seasons above 40% from 3.  He is inconsistent, as he does have seasons where he shoots awful.  For example, his 3 seasons for Caja Laboral he shot 43.3, 27.8, and 40 from 3.  His last 2 seasons in Europe with Fenerbache Ulker he shot 40.2 and 39.3.  So overall in 4 of his last 5 seasons in Europe he was between 39.3 and 43.3 with that weird outlier of 27.8.  The 43.3 season he didn't shoot very many, but the other seasons were all well over 2 a game (and the 40% season in Caja he was almost 4 a game).  His last 2 seasons in Euroleague with Fenerbache he shot 41.6 and 35.1.  He was also the Euroleage MVP with Fenerbache in his last year there before coming over, so he does a bit more then shoot, though shooting is his bread and butter. 

Bjelica is an excellent shooter, but he is prone to having awful shooting seasons.  His history suggests he is far more likely to shoot 40% than 30% though, especially when he is on more talented teams that open up shooting lanes for him.

Euroleague IS the regular season, as is his Turkish league.  Fenerbahce plays in two leagues.  They’re both regular season, although Euroleague is higher quality.  If you subtract out Euroleague you’re a) getting smaller sample size, and b) only taking the numbers against the weaker competition.  You need to combine them both — otherwise you’re simply doing it wrong.

And remember, the Euro 3-point line is 1 foot 8 inches closer — that’s enough to make a difference.
Then go ahead and combine them.  In 12-13 Euroleage he shot 36 for 116 in 26 games and in the other 33 games he shot 58 for 145.  In 13-14 Euroleage he shot 37 for 89 in 24 games.  In the other 37 games that season he shot 45 of 112.  For 14-15 the numbers are 26 for 74 in 29 Euroleague games and 35 for 89 in 34 other games.  So in his last 3 years in Europe in 183 games he shot nearly 38% from 3, though that is pretty clearly skewed by his awful stint for Laboral in the Euroleague in 12-13.  Take those 26 games out he is just shy of 40%.

Yes the line is closer, but Bjelica has pretty clearly shown a history of being a good to great shooter, especially when he plays for better teams (which Minnesota finally was).

This isnt what most ppl would call "a good to great shooter".
he shot over 41% last year in the NBA in just under 3 attempts a game.  The league average was 36%. 
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: greece66 on July 06, 2018, 01:39:09 PM
Philadelphia sign Nemanja Bjelica..

lot of wings
Bjelica is a 6'10" PF.  Signed to fill Illyasova's role.

better or worse

Better for Philly....

You’re saying Bjelica is better for Philly than Ilyasova?  I rather disagree with that.  Don’t see him shooting 41% again from 3.
why don't you think he can do that again?
In his 3 NBA seasons he's shot, 38.4%, 31.6% and 41.5% on 2.1, 2.7 and 2.7 attempts.  I'd say the last two are outliers and he's likely to be in the 37 to 38 range.
I agree the 2nd year is an outlier, but why shouldn't he shoot better with more experience and on a better team like this 3rd year.  He had seasons in Europe where he shot nearly 50% from 3.  Bjelica has excellent shooting touch.  It is the only thing he does well.

What stats are you looking at?  He’s was a career 35% shooter from 3 in Europe, with his best season coming in at 41%, unless you’re going to count the year he went 8/18 from 3 as an actual full season number.  Considering the number of attempts and the fact that he played all of 12 games, that would be an abuse of statistics.
That was in Euroleague.  His actual regular seasons he had multiple seasons above 40% from 3.  He is inconsistent, as he does have seasons where he shoots awful.  For example, his 3 seasons for Caja Laboral he shot 43.3, 27.8, and 40 from 3.  His last 2 seasons in Europe with Fenerbache Ulker he shot 40.2 and 39.3.  So overall in 4 of his last 5 seasons in Europe he was between 39.3 and 43.3 with that weird outlier of 27.8.  The 43.3 season he didn't shoot very many, but the other seasons were all well over 2 a game (and the 40% season in Caja he was almost 4 a game).  His last 2 seasons in Euroleague with Fenerbache he shot 41.6 and 35.1.  He was also the Euroleage MVP with Fenerbache in his last year there before coming over, so he does a bit more then shoot, though shooting is his bread and butter. 

Bjelica is an excellent shooter, but he is prone to having awful shooting seasons.  His history suggests he is far more likely to shoot 40% than 30% though, especially when he is on more talented teams that open up shooting lanes for him.

Euroleague IS the regular season, as is his Turkish league.  Fenerbahce plays in two leagues.  They’re both regular season, although Euroleague is higher quality.  If you subtract out Euroleague you’re a) getting smaller sample size, and b) only taking the numbers against the weaker competition.  You need to combine them both — otherwise you’re simply doing it wrong.

And remember, the Euro 3-point line is 1 foot 8 inches closer — that’s enough to make a difference.
Then go ahead and combine them.  In 12-13 Euroleage he shot 36 for 116 in 26 games and in the other 33 games he shot 58 for 145.  In 13-14 Euroleage he shot 37 for 89 in 24 games.  In the other 37 games that season he shot 45 of 112.  For 14-15 the numbers are 26 for 74 in 29 Euroleague games and 35 for 89 in 34 other games.  So in his last 3 years in Europe in 183 games he shot nearly 38% from 3, though that is pretty clearly skewed by his awful stint for Laboral in the Euroleague in 12-13.  Take those 26 games out he is just shy of 40%.

Yes the line is closer, but Bjelica has pretty clearly shown a history of being a good to great shooter, especially when he plays for better teams (which Minnesota finally was).

This isnt what most ppl would call "a good to great shooter".
he shot over 41% last year in the NBA in just under 3 attempts a game.  The league average was 36%.

Apparently I have a reading disability because I think the previous posts are about his career in Europe.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Moranis on July 06, 2018, 02:59:58 PM
Philadelphia sign Nemanja Bjelica..

lot of wings
Bjelica is a 6'10" PF.  Signed to fill Illyasova's role.

better or worse

Better for Philly....

You’re saying Bjelica is better for Philly than Ilyasova?  I rather disagree with that.  Don’t see him shooting 41% again from 3.
why don't you think he can do that again?
In his 3 NBA seasons he's shot, 38.4%, 31.6% and 41.5% on 2.1, 2.7 and 2.7 attempts.  I'd say the last two are outliers and he's likely to be in the 37 to 38 range.
I agree the 2nd year is an outlier, but why shouldn't he shoot better with more experience and on a better team like this 3rd year.  He had seasons in Europe where he shot nearly 50% from 3.  Bjelica has excellent shooting touch.  It is the only thing he does well.

What stats are you looking at?  He’s was a career 35% shooter from 3 in Europe, with his best season coming in at 41%, unless you’re going to count the year he went 8/18 from 3 as an actual full season number.  Considering the number of attempts and the fact that he played all of 12 games, that would be an abuse of statistics.
That was in Euroleague.  His actual regular seasons he had multiple seasons above 40% from 3.  He is inconsistent, as he does have seasons where he shoots awful.  For example, his 3 seasons for Caja Laboral he shot 43.3, 27.8, and 40 from 3.  His last 2 seasons in Europe with Fenerbache Ulker he shot 40.2 and 39.3.  So overall in 4 of his last 5 seasons in Europe he was between 39.3 and 43.3 with that weird outlier of 27.8.  The 43.3 season he didn't shoot very many, but the other seasons were all well over 2 a game (and the 40% season in Caja he was almost 4 a game).  His last 2 seasons in Euroleague with Fenerbache he shot 41.6 and 35.1.  He was also the Euroleage MVP with Fenerbache in his last year there before coming over, so he does a bit more then shoot, though shooting is his bread and butter. 

Bjelica is an excellent shooter, but he is prone to having awful shooting seasons.  His history suggests he is far more likely to shoot 40% than 30% though, especially when he is on more talented teams that open up shooting lanes for him.

Euroleague IS the regular season, as is his Turkish league.  Fenerbahce plays in two leagues.  They’re both regular season, although Euroleague is higher quality.  If you subtract out Euroleague you’re a) getting smaller sample size, and b) only taking the numbers against the weaker competition.  You need to combine them both — otherwise you’re simply doing it wrong.

And remember, the Euro 3-point line is 1 foot 8 inches closer — that’s enough to make a difference.
Then go ahead and combine them.  In 12-13 Euroleage he shot 36 for 116 in 26 games and in the other 33 games he shot 58 for 145.  In 13-14 Euroleage he shot 37 for 89 in 24 games.  In the other 37 games that season he shot 45 of 112.  For 14-15 the numbers are 26 for 74 in 29 Euroleague games and 35 for 89 in 34 other games.  So in his last 3 years in Europe in 183 games he shot nearly 38% from 3, though that is pretty clearly skewed by his awful stint for Laboral in the Euroleague in 12-13.  Take those 26 games out he is just shy of 40%.

Yes the line is closer, but Bjelica has pretty clearly shown a history of being a good to great shooter, especially when he plays for better teams (which Minnesota finally was).

This isnt what most ppl would call "a good to great shooter".
he shot over 41% last year in the NBA in just under 3 attempts a game.  The league average was 36%.

Apparently I have a reading disability because I think the previous posts are about his career in Europe.
which were in support of my contention that Bjelica's year in Minnesota last year wasn't a fluke. 
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: fairweatherfan on July 06, 2018, 03:32:53 PM
Tony Parker is reportedly signing with the Hornets, continuing their tradition of getting name guys 4 years too late. Guess he can hang out with Batum in Charlotte's many bistros.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: tazzmaniac on July 06, 2018, 03:33:41 PM
Per Woj, Tony Parker 2yr/10M deal with Charlotte. 

Could this help placate Kawhi? 
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Monkhouse on July 06, 2018, 03:36:39 PM
What the heck is Charlotte doing? They were clearly on the cusp of re-building, and now they bring in an overage Parker?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: GreenEnvy on July 06, 2018, 03:39:13 PM
Per Woj, Tony Parker 2yr/10M deal with Charlotte. 

Could this help placate Kawhi?

Strange signing for both parties.

Don’t get why Charlotte would want Parker, or why Parker would leave SAS.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: manl_lui on July 06, 2018, 03:45:11 PM
Per Woj, Tony Parker 2yr/10M deal with Charlotte. 

Could this help placate Kawhi?

Strange signing for both parties.

Don’t get why Charlotte would want Parker, or why Parker would leave SAS.

[dang] that's a surprise for me, thought him and Giniobli would retire as Spurs
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Birdman on July 06, 2018, 03:45:53 PM
Confusing...why would Parker leave the Spurs and why he go to a non playoff team
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: tazzmaniac on July 06, 2018, 03:46:14 PM
Per Woj, Tony Parker 2yr/10M deal with Charlotte. 

Could this help placate Kawhi?

Strange signing for both parties.

Don’t get why Charlotte would want Parker, or why Parker would leave SAS.
Charlotte just wants to make the playoffs and hopes they can re-sign Kemba.  Parker is probably getting more money and more playing time than he'd get with the Spurs.  He may also think Charlotte has better playoff chances in the East than a Kawhi-less Spurs do in the West. 
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Monkhouse on July 06, 2018, 03:48:16 PM
Per Woj, Tony Parker 2yr/10M deal with Charlotte. 

Could this help placate Kawhi?

Strange signing for both parties.

Don’t get why Charlotte would want Parker, or why Parker would leave SAS.
Charlotte just wants to make the playoffs and hopes they can re-sign Kemba.  Parker is probably getting more money and more playing time than he'd get with the Spurs.  He may also think Charlotte has better playoff chances in the East than a Kawhi-less Spurs do in the West.

My guess is also probably familiarity with James Borrego being the head coach of the Hornets.

Still doesn't make any sense... They needed to either get younger, bring in talented players, or shooters.

Parker... Is neither of the above. Solid vet presence, but what can he bring to the table?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: tazzmaniac on July 06, 2018, 03:56:39 PM
Per Woj, Tony Parker 2yr/10M deal with Charlotte. 

Could this help placate Kawhi?

Strange signing for both parties.

Don’t get why Charlotte would want Parker, or why Parker would leave SAS.
Charlotte just wants to make the playoffs and hopes they can re-sign Kemba.  Parker is probably getting more money and more playing time than he'd get with the Spurs.  He may also think Charlotte has better playoff chances in the East than a Kawhi-less Spurs do in the West.

My guess is also probably familiarity with James Borrego being the head coach of the Hornets.

Still doesn't make any sense... They needed to either get younger, bring in talented players, or shooters.

Parker... Is neither of the above. Solid vet presence, but what can he bring to the table?
That's your problem.  Expecting Charlotte's moves to make sense.  Charlotte is going after the dumbest franchise in the league.  Now let's see how the Kings respond. 
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Monkhouse on July 06, 2018, 03:57:53 PM
Per Woj, Tony Parker 2yr/10M deal with Charlotte. 

Could this help placate Kawhi?

Strange signing for both parties.

Don’t get why Charlotte would want Parker, or why Parker would leave SAS.
Charlotte just wants to make the playoffs and hopes they can re-sign Kemba.  Parker is probably getting more money and more playing time than he'd get with the Spurs.  He may also think Charlotte has better playoff chances in the East than a Kawhi-less Spurs do in the West.

My guess is also probably familiarity with James Borrego being the head coach of the Hornets.

Still doesn't make any sense... They needed to either get younger, bring in talented players, or shooters.

Parker... Is neither of the above. Solid vet presence, but what can he bring to the table?
That's your problem.  Expecting Charlotte's moves to make sense.  Charlotte is going after the dumbest franchise in the league.  Now let's see how the Kings respond.

Well... If I was a Charlotte fan, I would have another problem....









A drinking one.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: SparzWizard on July 06, 2018, 05:00:07 PM
Michael Jordan making a lot of laughable moves these days
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: liam on July 06, 2018, 05:06:21 PM
The Sixers have acquired my draft binky Bonga from the Lakers!

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/m/e248e4cd-8c00-320c-8d0f-fb39d6226e98/ss_2018-nba-draft-news%3A-lakers.html
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: rondofan1255 on July 06, 2018, 05:31:52 PM
The Sixers have acquired my draft binky Bonga from the Lakers!

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/m/e248e4cd-8c00-320c-8d0f-fb39d6226e98/ss_2018-nba-draft-news%3A-lakers.html

He’s a Laker now
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: csfansince60s on July 06, 2018, 06:21:03 PM
The Sixers have acquired my draft binky Bonga from the Lakers!

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/m/e248e4cd-8c00-320c-8d0f-fb39d6226e98/ss_2018-nba-draft-news%3A-lakers.html

He’s a Laker now

Deja vu 🤭, all over again, as Yogi Berra used to say. (See Game thread, page 2)
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: CelticSooner on July 06, 2018, 08:09:05 PM
Lavine signed 4/$78 million Sacramento offer sheet.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: MattyIce on July 06, 2018, 08:09:42 PM
RFA Zach LaVine has agreed to a four-year, $80M offer sheet with the Sacramento Kings, league sources tell Yahoo. The Chicago Bulls have 48 hours to match.

https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/1015384526418309120?s=21
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Monkhouse on July 06, 2018, 08:10:03 PM
Lavine signed 4/$78 million Sacramento offer sheet.

4/80 actually.
Quote
Bulls shooting guard Zach LaVine has agreed a four-year, $80MM offer sheet from the Kings, Shams Charania of Yahoo Sports tweets. Chicago has 48 hours to match the offer for the restricted free agent.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: CelticSooner on July 06, 2018, 08:15:07 PM
I wouldn’t touch that contract but Chicago traded for him.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Monkhouse on July 06, 2018, 08:16:45 PM
I wouldn’t touch that contract but Chicago traded for him.

Lavine can either be a special player similar to Kevin Martin, except more explosive, but will probably still be a terrible defender... Question is can his offense make up for his underlying weakness on the defensive end?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: ImShakHeIsShaq on July 06, 2018, 08:43:07 PM
RFA Zach LaVine has agreed to a four-year, $80M offer sheet with the Sacramento Kings, league sources tell Yahoo. The Chicago Bulls have 48 hours to match.

https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/1015384526418309120?s=21

i gotta be losing it, 20m per? for WHAT??
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Roy H. on July 06, 2018, 08:45:37 PM
So, once Chicago matches, does Sactown make a ridiculous offer to Smart?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Monkhouse on July 06, 2018, 08:46:10 PM
RFA Zach LaVine has agreed to a four-year, $80M offer sheet with the Sacramento Kings, league sources tell Yahoo. The Chicago Bulls have 48 hours to match.

https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/1015384526418309120?s=21

i gotta be losing it, 20m per? for WHAT??

Someone needs to tell Vlade that there is a position called Small Forward.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: tazzmaniac on July 06, 2018, 08:46:58 PM
RFA Zach LaVine has agreed to a four-year, $80M offer sheet with the Sacramento Kings, league sources tell Yahoo. The Chicago Bulls have 48 hours to match.

https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/1015384526418309120?s=21

i gotta be losing it, 20m per? for WHAT??
The Kings play a wonderful counter move to show that they, not Charlotte, are truly the dumbest franchise in the league. 
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: MattyIce on July 06, 2018, 08:59:30 PM
San Antonio Spurs restricted free agent Kyle Anderson has signed a four-year, $37.2 million offer sheet with the Memphis Grizzlies, league sources told ESPN.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: saltlover on July 06, 2018, 09:38:13 PM
So, once Chicago matches, does Sactown make a ridiculous offer to Smart?

I don’t think Chicago matches that.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Moranis on July 06, 2018, 09:42:57 PM
So, once Chicago matches, does Sactown make a ridiculous offer to Smart?

I don’t think Chicago matches that.
don't they almost have to. Otherwise the Butler trade looks awful. They also were looking at signing him at 16 million a year so another 4 isn't a ton.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: JSD on July 06, 2018, 09:46:49 PM
Kings are the dumbest franchise in the NBA
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: saltlover on July 06, 2018, 09:48:34 PM
So, once Chicago matches, does Sactown make a ridiculous offer to Smart?

I don’t think Chicago matches that.
don't they almost have to. Otherwise the Butler trade looks awful. They also were looking at signing him at 16 million a year so another 4 isn't a ton.

Not really. Markkanen looks like a keeper — you don’t need to match bad contracts just because you trade for him.  It does give OKC two days to negotiate with Chicago for a Melo salary dump, as if Chicago matches, that trading partner is gone.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: tazzmaniac on July 06, 2018, 09:57:35 PM
So, once Chicago matches, does Sactown make a ridiculous offer to Smart?

I don’t think Chicago matches that.
don't they almost have to. Otherwise the Butler trade looks awful. They also were looking at signing him at 16 million a year so another 4 isn't a ton.
Absolutely not.  The Butler trade is what it is.  Significantly overpaying to re-sign LaVine isn't going to make it better.  What it would do is eliminate their opportunity to use their cap space for salary dump trades to get some additional picks.   
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: rondofan1255 on July 06, 2018, 09:59:37 PM
Quote
The Bulls have decided to match Sacramento's $78M offer sheet to Zach LaVine, league sources tell ESPN.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1015413847866216449?s=21
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: tazzmaniac on July 06, 2018, 10:03:40 PM
Quote
The Bulls have decided to match Sacramento's $78M offer sheet to Zach LaVine, league sources tell ESPN.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1015413847866216449?s=21
Yikes!!!  So many stupid GMs in the league. 
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: CelticSooner on July 06, 2018, 10:04:05 PM
Just some bad management in the league.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: CelticsElite on July 06, 2018, 10:04:28 PM
Quote
The Bulls have decided to match Sacramento's $78M offer sheet to Zach LaVine, league sources tell ESPN.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1015413847866216449?s=21
Yikes!!!  So many stupid GMs in the league.
lol this is great


Kings miss out on a good player which is good for us. I know the contract was terrible but I'm only worried about the pick
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Roy H. on July 06, 2018, 10:05:46 PM
Quote
The Bulls have decided to match Sacramento's $78M offer sheet to Zach LaVine, league sources tell ESPN.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1015413847866216449?s=21
Yikes!!!  So many stupid GMs in the league.

Predictable, though.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: CelticSooner on July 06, 2018, 10:07:48 PM
Quote
The Bulls have decided to match Sacramento's $78M offer sheet to Zach LaVine, league sources tell ESPN.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1015413847866216449?s=21
Yikes!!!  So many stupid GMs in the league.
lol this is great


Kings miss out on a good player which is good for us. I know the contract was terrible but I'm only worried about the pick

I’m more worried about them being dumb enough to offer Smart something similar. They aren’t done yet.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: liam on July 06, 2018, 10:10:31 PM
The Sixers have acquired my draft binky Bonga from the Lakers!

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/m/e248e4cd-8c00-320c-8d0f-fb39d6226e98/ss_2018-nba-draft-news%3A-lakers.html

He’s a Laker now

Deja vu 🤭, all over again, as Yogi Berra used to say. (See Game thread, page 2)

Thanks for straightening me out agin on this agin and thanks for doing it again in the future...
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: liam on July 06, 2018, 10:12:28 PM
San Antonio Spurs restricted free agent Kyle Anderson has signed a four-year, $37.2 million offer sheet with the Memphis Grizzlies, league sources told ESPN.

That's a massive overpay too and for 4 years....
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: JSD on July 06, 2018, 10:17:55 PM
Thank God we have Danny Ainge
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: colincb on July 06, 2018, 10:28:07 PM
Two dumbest moves in free agency on the same transaction by two of the dumbest front offices in the NBA. LaVine's a one-trick pony and winning the slam dunk trophy is his trick.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: saltlover on July 06, 2018, 10:30:42 PM
San Antonio Spurs restricted free agent Kyle Anderson has signed a four-year, $37.2 million offer sheet with the Memphis Grizzlies, league sources told ESPN.

That's a massive overpay too and for 4 years....

I don’t think it’s a massive overpay if you think Anderson is a good fit for your roster, and you can definitely make that case that he’ll fit well in Memphis (if his contract is matched).  It may be an overpay (welcome to restricted free agency offer sheets).  It’s not going to be a franchise-altering contract either positively or negatively.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: liam on July 06, 2018, 10:35:38 PM
San Antonio Spurs restricted free agent Kyle Anderson has signed a four-year, $37.2 million offer sheet with the Memphis Grizzlies, league sources told ESPN.

That's a massive overpay too and for 4 years....

I don’t think it’s a massive overpay if you think Anderson is a good fit for your roster, and you can definitely make that case that he’ll fit well in Memphis (if his contract is matched).  It may be an overpay (welcome to restricted free agency offer sheets).  It’s not going to be a franchise-altering contract either positively or negatively.

Seems high to me for a bench role player. It's not Evan Turner money but it's seems the Griz are just throwing there money around and if that's the contract that puts you over the cap, it doesn't seem worth it. Maybe massive overpay is a bit much, i'll settle for overpay.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Moranis on July 06, 2018, 10:47:39 PM
So, once Chicago matches, does Sactown make a ridiculous offer to Smart?

I don’t think Chicago matches that.
don't they almost have to. Otherwise the Butler trade looks awful. They also were looking at signing him at 16 million a year so another 4 isn't a ton.

Not really. Markkanen looks like a keeper — you don’t need to match bad contracts just because you trade for him.  It does give OKC two days to negotiate with Chicago for a Melo salary dump, as if Chicago matches, that trading partner is gone.
as I said. Matched. I just couldn't see them not matching given what they were going to reportedly give him.  Sacto probably knew it as well
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Moranis on July 06, 2018, 10:53:12 PM
Two dumbest moves in free agency on the same transaction by two of the dumbest front offices in the NBA. LaVine's a one-trick pony and winning the slam dunk trophy is his trick.
Before he got hurt, Lavine shot 52% from 2, 39% from 3 and 84% from the line scoring 19 a game on just 15 shots.  I'd say he does more than dunk.

The real question is did his injury change his game as he wasn't very good in his limited action last year (which isn't surprising but would still give me pause)
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: tazzmaniac on July 06, 2018, 10:54:18 PM
Quote
The Bulls have decided to match Sacramento's $78M offer sheet to Zach LaVine, league sources tell ESPN.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1015413847866216449?s=21
Yikes!!!  So many stupid GMs in the league.
lol this is great


Kings miss out on a good player which is good for us. I know the contract was terrible but I'm only worried about the pick

I’m more worried about them being dumb enough to offer Smart something similar. They aren’t done yet.
I'd think they'd make an offer on Parker first. 
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: saltlover on July 06, 2018, 11:17:06 PM
Quote
Adrian Wojnarowski
@wojespn
Restricted free agent center Jusuf Nurkic has agreed to a 4-year, $48M deal to stay with Portland, league source tells ESPN.
11:10 PM · Jul 6, 2018

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1015432798138662912?s=21 (https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1015432798138662912?s=21)

Restricted free agent dominoes are falling quickly now.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: CelticSooner on July 06, 2018, 11:29:23 PM
Quote
Adrian Wojnarowski
@wojespn
Restricted free agent center Jusuf Nurkic has agreed to a 4-year, $48M deal to stay with Portland, league source tells ESPN.
11:10 PM · Jul 6, 2018

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1015432798138662912?s=21 (https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1015432798138662912?s=21)

Restricted free agent dominoes are falling quickly now.

That’s a pretty good deal. Hope to see Smart resigned on something similar.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: saltlover on July 06, 2018, 11:32:03 PM
Quote
Adrian Wojnarowski
@wojespn
Restricted free agent center Jusuf Nurkic has agreed to a 4-year, $48M deal to stay with Portland, league source tells ESPN.
11:10 PM · Jul 6, 2018

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1015432798138662912?s=21 (https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1015432798138662912?s=21)

Restricted free agent dominoes are falling quickly now.

That’s a pretty good deal. Hope to see Smart resigned on something similar.

Partial guarantee in year 4.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: jpotter33 on July 06, 2018, 11:40:34 PM
Quote
Adrian Wojnarowski
@wojespn
Restricted free agent center Jusuf Nurkic has agreed to a 4-year, $48M deal to stay with Portland, league source tells ESPN.
11:10 PM · Jul 6, 2018

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1015432798138662912?s=21 (https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1015432798138662912?s=21)

Restricted free agent dominoes are falling quickly now.

That’s a pretty good deal. Hope to see Smart resigned on something similar.

Yeah, I mean it seems the market has been set for that level of player. Smart is right around that 11/12 per year range, I think.

I hope he comes to his senses and takes a deal around those numbers. While there might be more money next summer, there’s no guarantee he even gets the same type of deal from a team, and that’s not even factoring in his playing style, which isn’t necessarily conducive to longevity.

It’s best for both him and the team to come to an agreement on some sort of deal around those numbers. I’d hate to see him screw himself over by suffering a major injury this year and never get that type of money offer again.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: colincb on July 07, 2018, 01:07:49 AM
Two dumbest moves in free agency on the same transaction by two of the dumbest front offices in the NBA. LaVine's a one-trick pony and winning the slam dunk trophy is his trick.
Before he got hurt, Lavine shot 52% from 2, 39% from 3 and 84% from the line scoring 19 a game on just 15 shots.  I'd say he does more than dunk.

The real question is did his injury change his game as he wasn't very good in his limited action last year (which isn't surprising but would still give me pause)

You could also say he's mediocre offensively and awful defensively. His best offensive year was 2016-17 with a mediocre 14.6 PER and he only matched that this year by jacking his usage up to a hair under 30%. On the other side of the ball, his Real Defensive +/- has been in the bottom 20% of the league every year. He sure can dunk though.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Moranis on July 07, 2018, 09:33:11 AM
Two dumbest moves in free agency on the same transaction by two of the dumbest front offices in the NBA. LaVine's a one-trick pony and winning the slam dunk trophy is his trick.
Before he got hurt, Lavine shot 52% from 2, 39% from 3 and 84% from the line scoring 19 a game on just 15 shots.  I'd say he does more than dunk.

The real question is did his injury change his game as he wasn't very good in his limited action last year (which isn't surprising but would still give me pause)

You could also say he's mediocre offensively and awful defensively. His best offensive year was 2016-17 with a mediocre 14.6 PER and he only matched that this year by jacking his usage up to a hair under 30%. On the other side of the ball, his Real Defensive +/- has been in the bottom 20% of the league every year. He sure can dunk though.
PER doesn't tell you much of anything. Jaylen Brown had a 13.6 PER this year for example.

19 points on 15 shots is excellent scoring efficiency. That us 1.27 points per shot.   The greatest scorer ever, Jordan, finished his career at 1.3 pps.

LaVine doesn't do much else but he was an incredibly efficient scorer before he got hurt.  Significantly better than mediocre in that department. 
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: dreamgreen on July 07, 2018, 10:30:08 AM
Quote
The Bulls have decided to match Sacramento's $78M offer sheet to Zach LaVine, league sources tell ESPN.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1015413847866216449?s=21
Yikes!!!  So many stupid GMs in the league.
lol this is great


Kings miss out on a good player which is good for us. I know the contract was terrible but I'm only worried about the pick

I’m more worried about them being dumb enough to offer Smart something similar. They aren’t done yet.

Lets be honest what would Smart add to that team 1 win? Not saying they wouldn't do something dumb and grossly overpay but do I hope they don't make these offers after 3 hours of sitting at the bar doing shots of tequila!
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: ederson on July 07, 2018, 10:34:19 AM
Quote
The Bulls have decided to match Sacramento's $78M offer sheet to Zach LaVine, league sources tell ESPN.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1015413847866216449?s=21
Yikes!!!  So many stupid GMs in the league.
lol this is great


Kings miss out on a good player which is good for us. I know the contract was terrible but I'm only worried about the pick

I’m more worried about them being dumb enough to offer Smart something similar. They aren’t done yet.

Lets be honest what would Smart add to that team 1 win? Not saying they wouldn't do something dumb and grossly overpay but do I hope they don't make these offers after 3 hours of sitting at the bar doing shots of tequila!

They just offered 20m/y to lavine who is returning from serious injury. They are more than capable.of offering 13 14m to Smart!
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: footey on July 07, 2018, 10:40:28 AM
Quote
The Bulls have decided to match Sacramento's $78M offer sheet to Zach LaVine, league sources tell ESPN.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1015413847866216449?s=21
Yikes!!!  So many stupid GMs in the league.
lol this is great


Kings miss out on a good player which is good for us. I know the contract was terrible but I'm only worried about the pick

I’m more worried about them being dumb enough to offer Smart something similar. They aren’t done yet.

Lets be honest what would Smart add to that team 1 win? Not saying they wouldn't do something dumb and grossly overpay but do I hope they don't make these offers after 3 hours of sitting at the bar doing shots of tequila!

They just offered 20m/y to lavine who is returning from serious injury. They are more than capable.of offering 13 14m to Smart!

They need a shooter. Fox cant shoot well. Unlikely they would make offer to Smart.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: greece66 on July 07, 2018, 11:10:10 AM
Quote
The Bulls have decided to match Sacramento's $78M offer sheet to Zach LaVine, league sources tell ESPN.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1015413847866216449?s=21
Yikes!!!  So many stupid GMs in the league.

Predictable, though.

I know I'm in the minority, but matching Lavine seems a good move to me. He has upside.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Roy H. on July 07, 2018, 11:18:39 AM
Quote
The Bulls have decided to match Sacramento's $78M offer sheet to Zach LaVine, league sources tell ESPN.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1015413847866216449?s=21
Yikes!!!  So many stupid GMs in the league.

Predictable, though.

I know I'm in the minority, but matching Lavine seems a good move to me. He has upside.

I think it's an overpay, but a lot can happen in a year.  I remember arguing with several fans that Victor Oladipo wasn't a bad contract last year.  VO's deal was being treated like an albatross.  Now he looks like he might be underpaid.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on July 07, 2018, 11:21:55 AM
Quote
The Bulls have decided to match Sacramento's $78M offer sheet to Zach LaVine, league sources tell ESPN.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1015413847866216449?s=21
Yikes!!!  So many stupid GMs in the league.

Predictable, though.

I know I'm in the minority, but matching Lavine seems a good move to me. He has upside.

I'm with you. Lavine at 20 million a year doesn't hurt the Bulls. Its not like they could spend that money in a better way.

I don't think people realize how good of an offensive talent Lavine is. He is a pretty good passer and doesn't turn the ball over much. They ran him at point guard a bit the first two years. He probably isn't a point guard, but he has play-making skills.

Also, he is a dynamic shooter -- something that falls by the wayside because he is a dunk champion. He needs to work on his shot selection a bit, but what young scorer doesn't?

Even though he is skinny, his ability to draw fouls it pretty good as well, getting a 44% free throw rate last healthy season in Minny.

This could look like a bargain next year. He might not get to this level, but I think he definitely has the ability to get to 25-27 points a game on a 6-10 Eastern Conference seed team.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: celticinorlando on July 07, 2018, 12:05:35 PM
Jerebko released by the Jazz

Would love to see him back in Boston
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: kraidstar on July 07, 2018, 12:16:47 PM
Aron Baynes officially signed, good news for the C's.


"The Boston Celtics have re-signed center Aron Baynes, the team announced today. Per team policy, terms of the deal were not disclosed. Baynes, 31, started in 67 of his 81 games played during his first season with the Celtics in 2017-18, averaging 6.0 points (47.1% FG, 75.6% FT) and 5.4 rebounds in 18.3 minutes. He anchored the Celtics league-leading defense, which allowed just 97.6 points per 100 possessions with him on the court (3rd best among players who played in half of their team’s games)."

https://www.nba.com/celtics/news/pressrelease/celtics-re-sign-aron-baynes
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: rondofan1255 on July 07, 2018, 01:38:36 PM
Quote
Forward Jonas Jerebko plans to sign with the Golden State Warriors upon clearing waivers on Monday, league sources tell ESPN. Jerebko has a $4.2M salary that would need to be guaranteed if he's claimed.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1015650224067563520
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: footey on July 07, 2018, 02:18:34 PM
Lavine is athletically gifted but lacks basketball IQ. he’s gotten by with his great hops and speed and never really developed a smart game like Donovan Mitchell. I doubt he will ever amount to much.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: BitterJim on July 07, 2018, 02:36:49 PM
Two dumbest moves in free agency on the same transaction by two of the dumbest front offices in the NBA. LaVine's a one-trick pony and winning the slam dunk trophy is his trick.

What, exactly, was dumb on Sacramento's part? Offering Lavine a big contract and forcing the Bulls to match is what bad teams do. It makes both the players and agents look more favorably toward them, and locks up more of the matching team's payroll long term

This was a strategy used by the Nets and 76ers in the past 5 years or so
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: tazzmaniac on July 07, 2018, 02:44:37 PM
Two dumbest moves in free agency on the same transaction by two of the dumbest front offices in the NBA. LaVine's a one-trick pony and winning the slam dunk trophy is his trick.

What, exactly, was dumb on Sacramento's part? Offering Lavine a big contract and forcing the Bulls to match is what bad teams do. It makes both the players and agents look more favorably toward them, and locks up more of the matching team's payroll long term

This was a strategy used by the Nets and 76ers in the past 5 years or so
The Sixers didn't use that strategy.  Other than Colangelo's stupid 3 year Bayless deal, the Sixers maintained their cap space and used it to acquire picks in salary dump trades. 
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: fairweatherfan on July 07, 2018, 02:56:42 PM
What, exactly, was dumb on Sacramento's part? Offering Lavine a big contract and forcing the Bulls to match is what bad teams do. It makes both the players and agents look more favorably toward them, and locks up more of the matching team's payroll long term

This was a strategy used by the Nets and 76ers in the past 5 years or so

Remember when the Warriors signed DeAndre Jordan? Weird to think back on it now.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: rocknrollforyoursoul on July 07, 2018, 03:02:31 PM
Quote
Forward Jonas Jerebko plans to sign with the Golden State Warriors upon clearing waivers on Monday, league sources tell ESPN. Jerebko has a $4.2M salary that would need to be guaranteed if he's claimed.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1015650224067563520

Jonas, nooooooooooo!! Say it ain't so!!
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: liam on July 07, 2018, 03:40:08 PM
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Forward Jonas Jerebko plans to sign with the Golden State Warriors upon clearing waivers on Monday, league sources tell ESPN. Jerebko has a $4.2M salary that would need to be guaranteed if he's claimed.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1015650224067563520

Jonas, nooooooooooo!! Say it ain't so!!

Jonas is going to have a field day being unguarded all the time....
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Birdman on July 07, 2018, 04:10:16 PM
HoopsHype has a nice page where u can see each team player addition, subtraction and draft picks..sure help me!
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: AshyLarry on July 07, 2018, 05:00:14 PM
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Forward Jonas Jerebko plans to sign with the Golden State Warriors upon clearing waivers on Monday, league sources tell ESPN. Jerebko has a $4.2M salary that would need to be guaranteed if he's claimed.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1015650224067563520

Jonas, nooooooooooo!! Say it ain't so!!

Hey man, I think it's nice that an ex Celtic is getting a ring- especially someone as hard working as Jonas. At this point, talent-wise, any GState signing is just pouring a cup of water into the ocean.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: liam on July 07, 2018, 05:36:00 PM
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Forward Jonas Jerebko plans to sign with the Golden State Warriors upon clearing waivers on Monday, league sources tell ESPN. Jerebko has a $4.2M salary that would need to be guaranteed if he's claimed.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1015650224067563520

Jonas, nooooooooooo!! Say it ain't so!!

Hey man, I think it's nice that an ex Celtic is getting a ring- especially someone as hard working as Jonas. At this point, talent-wise, any GState signing is just pouring a cup of water into the ocean.

The Celtics will beat Golden State next year so Jonas won't get his ring....
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: rondofan1255 on July 07, 2018, 08:46:50 PM
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Sources: Charlotte, Chicago and Orlando finalizing trade that includes Mozgov to Magic, Biyombo to Charlotte and Julyan Stone to Bulls.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1015758243950465024

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Sources: Chicago is trading guard Jerian Grant to Orlando as part of a 3-team deal.

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1015759250587439104
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Who on July 07, 2018, 08:48:14 PM
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Sources: Charlotte, Chicago and Orlando finalizing trade that includes Mozgov to Magic, Biyombo to Charlotte and Julyan Stone to Bulls.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1015758243950465024

Delighted Biyombo is getting out of Orlando. That dude deserves a lot more playing time. He should be starting and playing 28-32mpg.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Redz on July 07, 2018, 08:52:20 PM
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Sources: Charlotte, Chicago and Orlando finalizing trade that includes Mozgov to Magic, Biyombo to Charlotte and Julyan Stone to Bulls.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1015758243950465024

Delighted Biyombo is getting out of Orlando. That dude deserves a lot more playing time. He should be starting and playing 28-32mpg.

Time to lay the biSMACK down
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: greece66 on July 08, 2018, 12:49:11 AM
(https://i.gyazo.com/1d2dd7e99ed2dbd1a46628ad7a8baccf.png)

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1015796349172740096
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: KungPoweChicken on July 08, 2018, 01:07:51 AM
Phoenix has a very solid young core of Booker, Jackson, and Ayton for several years. As long as they don't do anything stupid, this team has the potential for big improvement.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: jambr380 on July 08, 2018, 01:53:09 AM
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Forward Jonas Jerebko plans to sign with the Golden State Warriors upon clearing waivers on Monday, league sources tell ESPN. Jerebko has a $4.2M salary that would need to be guaranteed if he's claimed.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1015650224067563520

Jonas, nooooooooooo!! Say it ain't so!!

Hey man, I think it's nice that an ex Celtic is getting a ring- especially someone as hard working as Jonas. At this point, talent-wise, any GState signing is just pouring a cup of water into the ocean.

TP for the cup of water into the ocean metaphor. I understand that we have a ‘chance’ at beating GSW and Jonas shouldn’t really make a difference, but it is just kind-of annoying they get whoever they feel like for cheap.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Beat LA on July 08, 2018, 01:56:12 AM
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Sources: Charlotte, Chicago and Orlando finalizing trade that includes Mozgov to Magic, Biyombo to Charlotte and Julyan Stone to Bulls.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1015758243950465024

Delighted Biyombo is getting out of Orlando. That dude deserves a lot more playing time. He should be starting and playing 28-32mpg.

Time to lay the biSMACK down

#SinkTheBismack ;D
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: rondofan1255 on July 08, 2018, 01:05:49 PM
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Warriors free agent Zaza Pachulia has agreed to a one-year, $2.4M deal with the Detroit Pistons, league sources tell Yahoo.

https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/1016004494461566977?s=21
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Monkhouse on July 08, 2018, 01:17:38 PM
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Warriors free agent Zaza Pachulia has agreed to a one-year, $2.4M deal with the Detroit Pistons, league sources tell Yahoo.

https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/1016004494461566977?s=21

Do the Pistons love to have an infatuation with bringing in obsolete and slow footed athletes to fit their roster? They need to get younger, quicker, and have better shooters. Not bring in a dirty clumsy player who eventually got taken out of the starting lineup despite their best center was Looney.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Birdman on July 08, 2018, 01:28:41 PM
How many times Mozgov been traded?? Plus he wont see any minutes in orlando
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Birdman on July 08, 2018, 02:35:27 PM
Kyle Anderson to Memphis..4 years 37 million..spurs unlikely to match
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Roy H. on July 08, 2018, 03:22:41 PM
Brook Lopez to Milwaukee. No details yet.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: greece66 on July 08, 2018, 03:24:45 PM
(https://i.gyazo.com/0b3e3bc779fa5fc36fd352bb2d083f8a.png)

https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/1016037859550085120
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: saltlover on July 08, 2018, 03:46:33 PM
(https://i.gyazo.com/0b3e3bc779fa5fc36fd352bb2d083f8a.png)

https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/1016037859550085120

Milwaukee now can’t match an offer for Jabari Parker that starts at around $16 million in year 1 due to the hard cap without doing some work (trade or stretch provision).  Chicago can pretty easily get to $16 million in space — we’ll see if that happens.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Roy H. on July 08, 2018, 03:51:59 PM
(https://i.gyazo.com/0b3e3bc779fa5fc36fd352bb2d083f8a.png)

https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/1016037859550085120

Milwaukee now can’t match an offer for Jabari Parker that starts at around $16 million in year 1 due to the hard cap without doing some work (trade or stretch provision).  Chicago can pretty easily get to $16 million in space — we’ll see if that happens.

Parker for more than $16 million is kind of gross, though.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: saltlover on July 08, 2018, 04:03:45 PM
(https://i.gyazo.com/0b3e3bc779fa5fc36fd352bb2d083f8a.png)

https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/1016037859550085120

Milwaukee now can’t match an offer for Jabari Parker that starts at around $16 million in year 1 due to the hard cap without doing some work (trade or stretch provision).  Chicago can pretty easily get to $16 million in space — we’ll see if that happens.

Parker for more than $16 million is kind of gross, though.

Cheaper than Lavine.  A team could also have decreasing salaries to bring a long-term deal under $15 million annually.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Eja117 on July 08, 2018, 04:12:51 PM
Kinda cruddy we could have had Brook Lopez for 3.4 and didn't do it. Ainge whiffed on that one
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: knuckleballer on July 08, 2018, 04:25:39 PM
Robin Lopez is making over $10 million more than his brother next season.  I bet this fact is not lost on him.  Some bragging rights after Brook has made a lot more than him.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Roy H. on July 08, 2018, 04:35:04 PM
Kinda cruddy we could have had Brook Lopez for 3.4 and didn't do it. Ainge whiffed on that one

Roster crunch + luxury tax implications
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: tazzmaniac on July 08, 2018, 04:36:01 PM
Robin Lopez is making over $10 million more than his brother next season.  I bet this fact is not lost on him.  Some bragging rights after Brook has made a lot more than him.
He's probably more concerned that when his contract is up after this season that he's probably looking at the vet minimum too. 
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Beat LA on July 08, 2018, 04:37:46 PM
What is the fascination with Blowpez on this forum, lol? ;D
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: tazzmaniac on July 08, 2018, 04:42:05 PM
Good signing for the Bucks.  Interesting how much more Ilyasova got from them. 

If I'm the Lakers, I'd prefer Lopez to McGee.  When was the last time Lebron had such little shooting around him? 
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: KGs Knee on July 08, 2018, 04:45:43 PM
(https://i.gyazo.com/0b3e3bc779fa5fc36fd352bb2d083f8a.png)

https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/1016037859550085120

Milwaukee now can’t match an offer for Jabari Parker that starts at around $16 million in year 1 due to the hard cap without doing some work (trade or stretch provision).  Chicago can pretty easily get to $16 million in space — we’ll see if that happens.

From what I've seen reported, Parker doesn't want to be back in Milwaukee, and they don't really want him back either.

That doesn't mean Milwaukee won't match a reasonable offer, as keeping him opens up trade possibilities, but I don't think Milwaukee is really sweating the possibility of losing him either.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: rondofan1255 on July 08, 2018, 04:47:02 PM
Lopez would be a bad fit for the C’s

Sucks on defense and rebounding
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: SHAQATTACK on July 08, 2018, 04:52:11 PM
What is the fascination with Blowpez on this forum, lol? ;D

tp
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Monkhouse on July 08, 2018, 05:06:12 PM
What is the fascination with Blowpez on this forum, lol? ;D

I have never for the life of me understood it either...

He's slow footed, coming off a serious foot injury, made of glass, and instead of being a post presence, he resorts to 37% of his shot attempts at 3 pointers, which is horrible. Can't rebound, his block shots probably attested to the system he was in, and the fact that he's a legit 7'0 or 7'1 big man. For the value he was given, sure, why not take a chance, but he's always been one of the worst defensive bigs.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: hodgy03038 on July 08, 2018, 05:11:21 PM
What is the fascination with Blowpez on this forum, lol? ;D

Well we took a shot on Monroe. I think clearly Blowpez is better than Monroe. Same speed, better shot blocker, better scorer. I am not advocating for Blowpez but it is what it is.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: BitterJim on July 08, 2018, 05:17:39 PM
What is the fascination with Blowpez on this forum, lol? ;D

I have never for the life of me understood it either...

He's slow footed, coming off a serious foot injury, made of glass, and instead of being a post presence, he resorts to 37% of his shot attempts at 3 pointers, which is horrible. Can't rebound, his block shots probably attested to the system he was in, and the fact that he's a legit 7'0 or 7'1 big man. For the value he was given, sure, why not take a chance, but he's always been one of the worst defensive bigs.

Last 4 seasons: 72, 73, 75, and 74 games.  If that's "made of glass", I'd hate to see what other players are (I'd also like to know what serious foot injury he is coming off of, unless you mean the one in 2013-14 (which has not been a problem since then).  As for his shooting numbers, post players just aren't successful in this league anymore.  Adapt or die.  He added a 3 pointer, and it's helped him stay playable in the league (and more importantly at the time, Brooklyn's 3pt-focused offense)

If you want to talk him down, bring up his 5.4 and 4.0 rpg for the past two years (though he *apparently* is very good at boxing out) and inability to switch onto smaller players (even some PFs), but the injury stuff hasn't been true for 3 or 4 years
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: BitterJim on July 08, 2018, 05:20:27 PM
Lopez would be a bad fit for the C’s

Sucks on defense and rebounding

Monroe with a 3 point shot.  He'd be nice in the regular season (especially if Al missed time), but he'd be completely unplayable in the playoffs.  I'd rather use the spot on a young guy or keep it open for a trade/buyout
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Monkhouse on July 08, 2018, 05:23:31 PM
What is the fascination with Blowpez on this forum, lol? ;D

I have never for the life of me understood it either...

He's slow footed, coming off a serious foot injury, made of glass, and instead of being a post presence, he resorts to 37% of his shot attempts at 3 pointers, which is horrible. Can't rebound, his block shots probably attested to the system he was in, and the fact that he's a legit 7'0 or 7'1 big man. For the value he was given, sure, why not take a chance, but he's always been one of the worst defensive bigs.

Last 4 seasons: 72, 73, 75, and 74 games.  If that's "made of glass", I'd hate to see what other players are (I'd also like to know what serious foot injury he is coming off of, unless you mean the one in 2013-14 (which has not been a problem since then).  As for his shooting numbers, post players just aren't successful in this league anymore.  Adapt or die.  He added a 3 pointer, and it's helped him stay playable in the league (and more importantly at the time, Brooklyn's 3pt-focused offense)

If you want to talk him down, bring up his 5.4 and 4.0 rpg for the past two years (though he *apparently* is very good at boxing out) and inability to switch onto smaller players (even some PFs), but the injury stuff hasn't been true for 3 or 4 years

It doesn't change the fact Lopez is a net negative on defense, which is my point about his foot injury. But sure, Lopez has managed to stay healthy, which is something I'm completely surprised by. You don't think being shooting more 3 pointers could be a factor to that?

Regardless, Ainge never showed that much interest in Lopez.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: saltlover on July 08, 2018, 05:25:35 PM
(https://i.gyazo.com/0b3e3bc779fa5fc36fd352bb2d083f8a.png)

https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/1016037859550085120

Milwaukee now can’t match an offer for Jabari Parker that starts at around $16 million in year 1 due to the hard cap without doing some work (trade or stretch provision).  Chicago can pretty easily get to $16 million in space — we’ll see if that happens.

From what I've seen reported, Parker doesn't want to be back in Milwaukee, and they don't really want him back either.

That doesn't mean Milwaukee won't match a reasonable offer, as keeping him opens up trade possibilities, but I don't think Milwaukee is really sweating the possibility of losing him either.

The bold text is the important aspect.  If they had zero intention of keeping Parker, they wouldn’t have extended him a qualifying offer.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: TheTruthFot18 on July 08, 2018, 07:34:36 PM
Lopez would be a bad fit for the C’s

Sucks on defense and rebounding

Monroe with a 3 point shot.  He'd be nice in the regular season (especially if Al missed time), but he'd be completely unplayable in the playoffs.  I'd rather use the spot on a young guy or keep it open for a trade/buyout

Always amazed by bigs who can block shots at high rates yet can't rebound or defend on an average level.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Hoopvortex on July 08, 2018, 10:03:04 PM
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Sources: Charlotte, Chicago and Orlando finalizing trade that includes Mozgov to Magic, Biyombo to Charlotte and Julyan Stone to Bulls.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1015758243950465024

Delighted Biyombo is getting out of Orlando. That dude deserves a lot more playing time. He should be starting and playing 28-32mpg.

Time to lay the biSMACK down

#SinkTheBismack ;D

Hah! 😹👍🏼
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: trickybilly on July 08, 2018, 10:33:12 PM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24015723/jusuf-nurkic-agrees-4-year-48-million-deal-remain-portland-trail-blazers

Is it just me or is 12 per a STEAL for Nurkic???

What am I not seeing?

Can't believe the Blazers don't make sideways moves away from Lillard, or apply to change conferences - maybe relocate to Buffalo or Jacksonville.

Actually city that needs NBA team would make for interesting conversation. Another time
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: saltlover on July 08, 2018, 10:41:35 PM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24015723/jusuf-nurkic-agrees-4-year-48-million-deal-remain-portland-trail-blazers

Is it just me or is 12 per a STEAL for Nurkic???

What am I not seeing?

Can't believe the Blazers don't make sideways moves away from Lillard, or apply to change conferences - maybe relocate to Buffalo or Jacksonville.

Actually city that needs NBA team would make for interesting conversation. Another time

Depends what way you think the league is going.  Nurkic-like centers are going out of style, and in 3 games of 4 in the playoffs his interior scoring didn’t make up for his other deficiencies.  Perhaps that’s just small sample size — we’ll find out over the next four years I guess.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: greece66 on July 09, 2018, 05:33:05 AM
(https://i.gyazo.com/32156bbb53e9545b70591f44d35178d6.png)

https://twitter.com/EricPincus/status/1016010038190616577
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: greece66 on July 09, 2018, 10:19:35 AM
(https://i.gyazo.com/6c99aaf29cc52fcb13a0fbcb2e7103a2.png)

https://twitter.com/Sportando/status/1016289935006068740
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: smokeablount on July 09, 2018, 10:33:51 AM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24015723/jusuf-nurkic-agrees-4-year-48-million-deal-remain-portland-trail-blazers

Is it just me or is 12 per a STEAL for Nurkic???

What am I not seeing?

Can't believe the Blazers don't make sideways moves away from Lillard, or apply to change conferences - maybe relocate to Buffalo or Jacksonville.

Actually city that needs NBA team would make for interesting conversation. Another time

Depends what way you think the league is going.  Nurkic-like centers are going out of style, and in 3 games of 4 in the playoffs his interior scoring didn’t make up for his other deficiencies.  Perhaps that’s just small sample size — we’ll find out over the next four years I guess.

While I agree Nurkic is 'plodding' and plodding centers are certainly going out of style, i might quibble with saying 'Nurkic-like centers' because IMO he does have a pretty unique skillset.

He's a legitimate shotblocker (not a very good defender but contradictorily, still a somewhat of a rim protector) and probably a near-elite big man passer with scoring ability.  I also kind of feel like it's a good deal, but I'm really not sure.  I just think Nurkic has a unique blend of skills and I can't think of that many guys like him.  He's just not the typical 'plodder' to me.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: rondofan1255 on July 09, 2018, 03:34:45 PM
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The Denver Nuggets are signing forward/guard Torrey Craig to a guaranteed two-year, $4M deal, agent Johnny Foster tells Yahoo.

https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/1016394139724759041?s=21
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: saltlover on July 09, 2018, 03:48:01 PM
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The Denver Nuggets are signing forward/guard Torrey Craig to a guaranteed two-year, $4M deal, agent Johnny Foster tells Yahoo.

https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/1016394139724759041?s=21

Coming off a 2-way contract last year.  Interesting as a potential comp for where Bird’s deal might come out.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Roy H. on July 09, 2018, 03:53:00 PM
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The Denver Nuggets are signing forward/guard Torrey Craig to a guaranteed two-year, $4M deal, agent Johnny Foster tells Yahoo.

https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/1016394139724759041?s=21

Coming off a 2-way contract last year.  Interesting as a potential comp for where Bird’s deal might come out.

I hope not.  Bird has done nothing to warrant a deal for above the minimum, or a second year guarantee.

32.5% 3PT%, 59.7% FT% in Maine last year
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: rondofan1255 on July 09, 2018, 04:43:44 PM
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Spurs restricted free agent Davis Bertans has agreed to a two-year, $14.5M deal to re-sign with San Antonio, agent Arturs Kalnitis told Yahoo.

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1016803177654509568



Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: tazzmaniac on July 09, 2018, 05:55:40 PM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24015723/jusuf-nurkic-agrees-4-year-48-million-deal-remain-portland-trail-blazers

Is it just me or is 12 per a STEAL for Nurkic???

What am I not seeing?

Can't believe the Blazers don't make sideways moves away from Lillard, or apply to change conferences - maybe relocate to Buffalo or Jacksonville.

Actually city that needs NBA team would make for interesting conversation. Another time

Depends what way you think the league is going.  Nurkic-like centers are going out of style, and in 3 games of 4 in the playoffs his interior scoring didn’t make up for his other deficiencies.  Perhaps that’s just small sample size — we’ll find out over the next four years I guess.

While I agree Nurkic is 'plodding' and plodding centers are certainly going out of style, i might quibble with saying 'Nurkic-like centers' because IMO he does have a pretty unique skillset.

He's a legitimate shotblocker (not a very good defender but contradictorily, still a somewhat of a rim protector) and probably a near-elite big man passer with scoring ability.  I also kind of feel like it's a good deal, but I'm really not sure.  I just think Nurkic has a unique blend of skills and I can't think of that many guys like him.  He's just not the typical 'plodder' to me.
Considering the market, I'd say the Blazers overpaid.  Do we know if that 4th year is guaranteed? 
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: saltlover on July 09, 2018, 06:06:07 PM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24015723/jusuf-nurkic-agrees-4-year-48-million-deal-remain-portland-trail-blazers

Is it just me or is 12 per a STEAL for Nurkic???

What am I not seeing?

Can't believe the Blazers don't make sideways moves away from Lillard, or apply to change conferences - maybe relocate to Buffalo or Jacksonville.

Actually city that needs NBA team would make for interesting conversation. Another time

Depends what way you think the league is going.  Nurkic-like centers are going out of style, and in 3 games of 4 in the playoffs his interior scoring didn’t make up for his other deficiencies.  Perhaps that’s just small sample size — we’ll find out over the next four years I guess.

While I agree Nurkic is 'plodding' and plodding centers are certainly going out of style, i might quibble with saying 'Nurkic-like centers' because IMO he does have a pretty unique skillset.

He's a legitimate shotblocker (not a very good defender but contradictorily, still a somewhat of a rim protector) and probably a near-elite big man passer with scoring ability.  I also kind of feel like it's a good deal, but I'm really not sure.  I just think Nurkic has a unique blend of skills and I can't think of that many guys like him.  He's just not the typical 'plodder' to me.
Considering the market, I'd say the Blazers overpaid.  Do we know if that 4th year is guaranteed?

Partial guarantee is my understanding, not sure how partial.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: rondofan1255 on July 09, 2018, 06:27:18 PM
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Free agent forward Luc Mbah A Moute has agreed to a one-year deal with the Clippers, league source tells ESPN. Mbah A Moute will sign for $4.3M, league sources tell ESPN

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1016446396977725442?s=21
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Beat LA on July 09, 2018, 06:35:47 PM
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Free agent forward Luc Mbah A Moute has agreed to a one-year deal with the Clippers, league source tells ESPN. Mbah A Moute will sign for $4.3M, league sources tell ESPN

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1016446396977725442?s=21

Between Ariza's departure and now this, Houston's defense has already taken a significant hit during this offseason, imo.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: rondofan1255 on July 09, 2018, 06:40:24 PM
Quote
Free agent forward Luc Mbah A Moute has agreed to a one-year deal with the Clippers, league source tells ESPN. Mbah A Moute will sign for $4.3M, league sources tell ESPN

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1016446396977725442?s=21

Between Ariza's departure and now this, Houston's defense has already taken a significant hit during this offseason, imo.

More PT for Gerald Green!  ;D
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: celticsclay on July 09, 2018, 06:40:53 PM
Quote
Free agent forward Luc Mbah A Moute has agreed to a one-year deal with the Clippers, league source tells ESPN. Mbah A Moute will sign for $4.3M, league sources tell ESPN

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1016446396977725442?s=21

Between Ariza's departure and now this, Houston's defense has already taken a significant hit during this offseason, imo.

he was racking up dnps cd in the playoffs right?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: saltlover on July 09, 2018, 06:42:12 PM
Quote
Free agent forward Luc Mbah A Moute has agreed to a one-year deal with the Clippers, league source tells ESPN. Mbah A Moute will sign for $4.3M, league sources tell ESPN

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1016446396977725442?s=21

Between Ariza's departure and now this, Houston's defense has already taken a significant hit during this offseason, imo.

he was racking up dnps cd in the playoffs right?

My recollection is they were injury related (even if officially designated as DNP-CD at times).
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: The Oracle on July 09, 2018, 06:49:40 PM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24015723/jusuf-nurkic-agrees-4-year-48-million-deal-remain-portland-trail-blazers

Is it just me or is 12 per a STEAL for Nurkic???

What am I not seeing?

Can't believe the Blazers don't make sideways moves away from Lillard, or apply to change conferences - maybe relocate to Buffalo or Jacksonville.

Actually city that needs NBA team would make for interesting conversation. Another time

Depends what way you think the league is going.  Nurkic-like centers are going out of style, and in 3 games of 4 in the playoffs his interior scoring didn’t make up for his other deficiencies.  Perhaps that’s just small sample size — we’ll find out over the next four years I guess.

While I agree Nurkic is 'plodding' and plodding centers are certainly going out of style, i might quibble with saying 'Nurkic-like centers' because IMO he does have a pretty unique skillset.

He's a legitimate shotblocker (not a very good defender but contradictorily, still a somewhat of a rim protector) and probably a near-elite big man passer with scoring ability.  I also kind of feel like it's a good deal, but I'm really not sure.  I just think Nurkic has a unique blend of skills and I can't think of that many guys like him.  He's just not the typical 'plodder' to me.
Considering the market, I'd say the Blazers overpaid.  Do we know if that 4th year is guaranteed?

Partial guarantee is my understanding, not sure how partial.
I believe it is a $4 million guarantee in year 4.  It is really another stupid contract handed out by the Blazers.  They could have set up a situation where they had tons of cap available 2 years from now when all their bad contracts expire, locking him up beyond that point was dumb.  He was definitely an overpay also as there couldn't have possibly been competition for him above the full MLE and likely could've been had for less than that. 
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: nickagneta on July 09, 2018, 07:04:16 PM
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The Denver Nuggets are signing forward/guard Torrey Craig to a guaranteed two-year, $4M deal, agent Johnny Foster tells Yahoo.

https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/1016394139724759041?s=21

Coming off a 2-way contract last year.  Interesting as a potential comp for where Bird’s deal might come out.

I hope not.  Bird has done nothing to warrant a deal for above the minimum, or a second year guarantee.

32.5% 3PT%, 59.7% FT% in Maine last year
Don't get the Bird love. Sure he had a few good minutes in one or two games at the end of the year but he just oozes, 14th to 15th man on this roster, maybe spending a lot of time in Portland. I wouldn't be willing to offer him anything but in minimum contract in Nader's roster spot as hopefully, he is released and stretched.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: tazzmaniac on July 09, 2018, 08:30:09 PM
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Free agent forward Luc Mbah A Moute has agreed to a one-year deal with the Clippers, league source tells ESPN. Mbah A Moute will sign for $4.3M, league sources tell ESPN

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1016446396977725442?s=21

Between Ariza's departure and now this, Houston's defense has already taken a significant hit during this offseason, imo.
They haven't re-signed Capela yet and they are apparently focused on Melo.  Say goodbye to Rockets as championship contenders. 
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: tazzmaniac on July 09, 2018, 08:36:59 PM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24015723/jusuf-nurkic-agrees-4-year-48-million-deal-remain-portland-trail-blazers

Is it just me or is 12 per a STEAL for Nurkic???

What am I not seeing?

Can't believe the Blazers don't make sideways moves away from Lillard, or apply to change conferences - maybe relocate to Buffalo or Jacksonville.

Actually city that needs NBA team would make for interesting conversation. Another time

Depends what way you think the league is going.  Nurkic-like centers are going out of style, and in 3 games of 4 in the playoffs his interior scoring didn’t make up for his other deficiencies.  Perhaps that’s just small sample size — we’ll find out over the next four years I guess.

While I agree Nurkic is 'plodding' and plodding centers are certainly going out of style, i might quibble with saying 'Nurkic-like centers' because IMO he does have a pretty unique skillset.

He's a legitimate shotblocker (not a very good defender but contradictorily, still a somewhat of a rim protector) and probably a near-elite big man passer with scoring ability.  I also kind of feel like it's a good deal, but I'm really not sure.  I just think Nurkic has a unique blend of skills and I can't think of that many guys like him.  He's just not the typical 'plodder' to me.
Considering the market, I'd say the Blazers overpaid.  Do we know if that 4th year is guaranteed?

Partial guarantee is my understanding, not sure how partial.
I believe it is a $4 million guarantee in year 4.  It is really another stupid contract handed out by the Blazers.  They could have set up a situation where they had tons of cap available 2 years from now when all their bad contracts expire, locking him up beyond that point was dumb.  He was definitely an overpay also as there couldn't have possibly been competition for him above the full MLE and likely could've been had for less than that.
Woj reported Nurkic's deal as 4yr/48M but Shams reported it as 4yr/53M.   Anyone know which is correct? 
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Beat LA on July 09, 2018, 10:04:53 PM
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Free agent forward Luc Mbah A Moute has agreed to a one-year deal with the Clippers, league source tells ESPN. Mbah A Moute will sign for $4.3M, league sources tell ESPN

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1016446396977725442?s=21

Between Ariza's departure and now this, Houston's defense has already taken a significant hit during this offseason, imo.
he was racking up dnps cd in the playoffs right?

I honestly don't remember. Upon looking at his game log he did only play in four games against the Warriors and, admittedly, wasn't useful against Golden State, iirc, but he did make an impact against Utah, although he couldn't even get on the court against Minnesota, LOL ;D.

Still, my point was more about his overall contribution to the Rockets during the entire season, so yeah.

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Free agent forward Luc Mbah A Moute has agreed to a one-year deal with the Clippers, league source tells ESPN. Mbah A Moute will sign for $4.3M, league sources tell ESPN

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1016446396977725442?s=21

Between Ariza's departure and now this, Houston's defense has already taken a significant hit during this offseason, imo.
They haven't re-signed Capela yet and they are apparently focused on Melo.  Say goodbye to Rockets as championship contenders.

Yeah, this dude absolutely nails it, imo, lol ;D -

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Anthony Slater‏
Verified account
@anthonyVslater

Anthony Slater Retweeted Adrian Wojnarowski

An Ariza and Mbah a Moute for Carmelo swap for the Rockets this offseason might be more beneficial to the Warriors than the Cousins signing

https://twitter.com/anthonyVslater/status/1016446043926364162

Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Beat LA on July 09, 2018, 10:08:55 PM
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Free agent forward Luc Mbah A Moute has agreed to a one-year deal with the Clippers, league source tells ESPN. Mbah A Moute will sign for $4.3M, league sources tell ESPN

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1016446396977725442?s=21

Between Ariza's departure and now this, Houston's defense has already taken a significant hit during this offseason, imo.

More PT for Gerald Green!  ;D

(https://media.giphy.com/media/Vg0JstydL8HCg/giphy.gif)

They absolutely have to retain Ryan Anderson, now, bahaha ;D.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: rondofan1255 on July 10, 2018, 01:24:12 PM
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Sources: The Los Angeles Lakers and No. 47 overall pick Svi Mykhailiuk are finalizing a three-year, $4.6M rookie deal. Deal includes team option.

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1016732966678982656

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Forbes will re-sign with Spurs on a two-year deal, league sources said.

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1016739999151108096
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: celticsclay on July 10, 2018, 02:10:16 PM
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Sources: The Los Angeles Lakers and No. 47 overall pick Svi Mykhailiuk are finalizing a three-year, $4.6M rookie deal. Deal includes team option.

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1016732966678982656

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Forbes will re-sign with Spurs on a two-year deal, league sources said.

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1016739999151108096

Seems like a good contract for Svi at 47
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Moranis on July 10, 2018, 02:11:21 PM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24015723/jusuf-nurkic-agrees-4-year-48-million-deal-remain-portland-trail-blazers

Is it just me or is 12 per a STEAL for Nurkic???

What am I not seeing?

Can't believe the Blazers don't make sideways moves away from Lillard, or apply to change conferences - maybe relocate to Buffalo or Jacksonville.

Actually city that needs NBA team would make for interesting conversation. Another time

Depends what way you think the league is going.  Nurkic-like centers are going out of style, and in 3 games of 4 in the playoffs his interior scoring didn’t make up for his other deficiencies.  Perhaps that’s just small sample size — we’ll find out over the next four years I guess.

While I agree Nurkic is 'plodding' and plodding centers are certainly going out of style, i might quibble with saying 'Nurkic-like centers' because IMO he does have a pretty unique skillset.

He's a legitimate shotblocker (not a very good defender but contradictorily, still a somewhat of a rim protector) and probably a near-elite big man passer with scoring ability.  I also kind of feel like it's a good deal, but I'm really not sure.  I just think Nurkic has a unique blend of skills and I can't think of that many guys like him.  He's just not the typical 'plodder' to me.
Considering the market, I'd say the Blazers overpaid.  Do we know if that 4th year is guaranteed?

Partial guarantee is my understanding, not sure how partial.
I believe it is a $4 million guarantee in year 4.  It is really another stupid contract handed out by the Blazers.  They could have set up a situation where they had tons of cap available 2 years from now when all their bad contracts expire, locking him up beyond that point was dumb.  He was definitely an overpay also as there couldn't have possibly been competition for him above the full MLE and likely could've been had for less than that.
and then he signs his QO (giving him a full no trade clause) and then he leaves next summer leaving the Blazers with nothing.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: rondofan1255 on July 11, 2018, 12:46:04 PM
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Source: Three-years, $4M for 41st pick in Draft [Jarred Vanderbilt].

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1017081187678875649

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Free agent James Ennis has agreed to a two-year deal with the Houston Rockets, league sources tell Yahoo. Deal includes player option in second season.

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1017159938198536192
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: rondofan1255 on July 12, 2018, 11:39:25 PM
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Sources: Wayne Ellington agreed to a one-year deal for $6.2 million. Free agent sharpshooter Wayne Ellington and Miami have reached an agreement on a deal, league sources tell ESPN.

https://twitter.com/chrisbhaynes/status/1017581678053634048?s=21
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: celticinorlando on July 12, 2018, 11:47:22 PM
Per Woj: IT to the nuggets on a one year deal...vet minimum
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: nickagneta on July 13, 2018, 12:29:12 AM
Per Woj: IT to the nuggets on a one year deal...vet minimum
DANG!!! So maybe all he will need is a wheel barrow instead of a Brink's truck.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: MattyIce on July 13, 2018, 12:30:29 AM
Brooklyn has traded Jeremy Lin to the Hawks, league sources tell ESPN.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: MattyIce on July 13, 2018, 12:30:56 AM
Denver has agreed to send Kenneth Faried, Darrell Arthur, a 2019 protected first-round pick and a future second round pick to Nets for Isaiah Whitehead, league sources tell ESPN. Salary dump for Denver.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on July 13, 2018, 12:56:11 AM
The Kings are the only ones with salary cap space to sign Smart. This is quickly becoming a sign-and-trade or MLE situation.

I don't understand the move for the Hawks? The "1st round pick" they sent to the Nets must have been heavily protected that converts to seconds.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Roy H. on July 13, 2018, 01:05:05 AM
The Kings are the only ones with salary cap space to sign Smart. This is quickly becoming a sign-and-trade or MLE situation.

I don't understand the move for the Hawks? The "1st round pick" they sent to the Nets must have been heavily protected that converts to seconds.

The Hawks are sending out a #2, probably heavily protected, and are getting back a #2.

In the other deal, the Nuggets are sending a #1, top-12 protected, and a #2 to save $43 million.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: rondofan1255 on July 14, 2018, 01:44:04 PM
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Free agent Channing Frye has agreed to a one-year, $2.4M deal with the Cleveland Cavaliers, league sources tell Yahoo.

https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/1018185390619013120?s=21
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Eddie20 on July 14, 2018, 02:03:27 PM
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Free agent Channing Frye has agreed to a one-year, $2.4M deal with the Cleveland Cavaliers, league sources tell Yahoo.

https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/1018185390619013120?s=21

I actually would've liked him on our team. Solid locker room guy that can be used situationally, definitely not a rotation guy, to spread the floor as a stretch big. I think he could've been successful under Stevens.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: nickagneta on July 14, 2018, 02:04:09 PM
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Free agent Channing Frye has agreed to a one-year, $2.4M deal with the Cleveland Cavaliers, league sources tell Yahoo.

https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/1018185390619013120?s=21
Lol, Donald. The guy who publicly asked the Russians to hack Hillary's email and publish them is blaming this on Deep State and the victim of the hacks he publicly asked for.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: TheTruthFot18 on July 14, 2018, 02:41:25 PM
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Free agent Channing Frye has agreed to a one-year, $2.4M deal with the Cleveland Cavaliers, league sources tell Yahoo.

https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/1018185390619013120?s=21
Lol, Donald. The guy who publicly asked the Russians to hack Hillary's email and publish them is blaming this on Deep State and the victim of the hacks he publicly asked for.

Wrong topic?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on July 14, 2018, 03:08:52 PM
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Free agent Channing Frye has agreed to a one-year, $2.4M deal with the Cleveland Cavaliers, league sources tell Yahoo.

https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/1018185390619013120?s=21
Lol, Donald. The guy who publicly asked the Russians to hack Hillary's email and publish them is blaming this on Deep State and the victim of the hacks he publicly asked for.

Wrong topic?

?? Makes sense to me :D
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Hoopvortex on July 14, 2018, 03:12:43 PM
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Free agent Channing Frye has agreed to a one-year, $2.4M deal with the Cleveland Cavaliers, league sources tell Yahoo.

https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/1018185390619013120?s=21
Lol, Donald. The guy who publicly asked the Russians to hack Hillary's email and publish them is blaming this on Deep State and the victim of the hacks he publicly asked for.

Wrong topic?

Charania's tweets are coded messages to Russian military intelligence. That’s why they don’t make sense half the time. 🙀
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Rondo9 on July 14, 2018, 03:18:36 PM
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Free agent Channing Frye has agreed to a one-year, $2.4M deal with the Cleveland Cavaliers, league sources tell Yahoo.

https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/1018185390619013120?s=21
Lol, Donald. The guy who publicly asked the Russians to hack Hillary's email and publish them is blaming this on Deep State and the victim of the hacks he publicly asked for.

Can we keep Donald Trump to one thread please? :D
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: rondofan1255 on July 14, 2018, 04:10:30 PM
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Free agent guard Shabazz Napier has agreed to a two-year deal with the Brooklyn Nets, league sources tell ESPN. Napier, 27, had his best pro season with the Blazers last year.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1018221109919997952?s=21
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: JSD on July 14, 2018, 04:14:50 PM
nets putting together a nice little off season of collecting little assets and maintaining long term flexibility.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: nickagneta on July 14, 2018, 04:17:29 PM
Ooops....sorry people.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: JSD on July 14, 2018, 04:22:26 PM
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Free agent Channing Frye has agreed to a one-year, $2.4M deal with the Cleveland Cavaliers, league sources tell Yahoo.

https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/1018185390619013120?s=21

I actually would've liked him on our team. Solid locker room guy that can be used situationally, definitely not a rotation guy, to spread the floor as a stretch big. I think he could've been successful under Stevens.


Can someone explain to me just what the Cavs are doing? Apparently they are going to try to make the playoffs this year?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: JSD on July 14, 2018, 04:26:03 PM
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Free agent Channing Frye has agreed to a one-year, $2.4M deal with the Cleveland Cavaliers, league sources tell Yahoo.

https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/1018185390619013120?s=21

I actually would've liked him on our team. Solid locker room guy that can be used situationally, definitely not a rotation guy, to spread the floor as a stretch big. I think he could've been successful under Stevens.


Can someone explain to me just what the Cavs are doing? Apparently they are going to try to make the playoffs this year?

Not even just with this move, but more so the lack of movement on their roster.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on July 14, 2018, 04:49:31 PM
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Free agent Channing Frye has agreed to a one-year, $2.4M deal with the Cleveland Cavaliers, league sources tell Yahoo.

https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/1018185390619013120?s=21

I actually would've liked him on our team. Solid locker room guy that can be used situationally, definitely not a rotation guy, to spread the floor as a stretch big. I think he could've been successful under Stevens.


Can someone explain to me just what the Cavs are doing? Apparently they are going to try to make the playoffs this year?

Not even just with this move, but more so the lack of movement on their roster.

I think the rebuild started last year. They essentially got Clarkson, Hood, Nance, and Sexton as their new core. They are waiting out the market to resign Hood to a good deal. They will likely get a good extension on Nance.

Signing Frye opens the court for their young guys. In a pick-and-roll with Sexton, Sexton can get more comfortable attacking as a scorer.

They also may be waiting on the right offer for Love, but in the meantime, I think a player like Love actually might help the development of their other guys.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Moranis on July 14, 2018, 06:50:20 PM
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Free agent Channing Frye has agreed to a one-year, $2.4M deal with the Cleveland Cavaliers, league sources tell Yahoo.

https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/1018185390619013120?s=21

I actually would've liked him on our team. Solid locker room guy that can be used situationally, definitely not a rotation guy, to spread the floor as a stretch big. I think he could've been successful under Stevens.


Can someone explain to me just what the Cavs are doing? Apparently they are going to try to make the playoffs this year?
they have too many high prices veterans that they can't trade so they were never going to be able to bottom out and with thwir really only being 7 good teams in the East i think they figure might as well go for the playoffs this year and then just tank next summer when they can out of most of the old guys.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Surferdad on July 14, 2018, 07:27:36 PM
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Free agent Channing Frye has agreed to a one-year, $2.4M deal with the Cleveland Cavaliers, league sources tell Yahoo.

https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/1018185390619013120?s=21

I actually would've liked him on our team. Solid locker room guy that can be used situationally, definitely not a rotation guy, to spread the floor as a stretch big. I think he could've been successful under Stevens.


Can someone explain to me just what the Cavs are doing? Apparently they are going to try to make the playoffs this year?
they have too many high prices veterans that they can't trade so they were never going to be able to bottom out and with thwir really only being 7 good teams in the East i think they figure might as well go for the playoffs this year and then just tank next summer when they can out of most of the old guys.
How does a team ‘tank’ in the summer?   ;D
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Jvalin on July 14, 2018, 07:43:36 PM
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Free agent Channing Frye has agreed to a one-year, $2.4M deal with the Cleveland Cavaliers, league sources tell Yahoo.

https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/1018185390619013120?s=21

I actually would've liked him on our team. Solid locker room guy that can be used situationally, definitely not a rotation guy, to spread the floor as a stretch big. I think he could've been successful under Stevens.


Can someone explain to me just what the Cavs are doing? Apparently they are going to try to make the playoffs this year?
they have too many high prices veterans that they can't trade so they were never going to be able to bottom out and with thwir really only being 7 good teams in the East i think they figure might as well go for the playoffs this year and then just tank next summer when they can out of most of the old guys.
How does a team ‘tank’ in the summer?   ;D
They trade their vets for picks / rookie scale contracts. They fill out their roster with rookies / promising young players / G-Leaguers. They don't sign vets on the minimum, e.g. Frye.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Surferdad on July 14, 2018, 08:03:23 PM
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Free agent Channing Frye has agreed to a one-year, $2.4M deal with the Cleveland Cavaliers, league sources tell Yahoo.

https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/1018185390619013120?s=21

I actually would've liked him on our team. Solid locker room guy that can be used situationally, definitely not a rotation guy, to spread the floor as a stretch big. I think he could've been successful under Stevens.


Can someone explain to me just what the Cavs are doing? Apparently they are going to try to make the playoffs this year?
they have too many high prices veterans that they can't trade so they were never going to be able to bottom out and with thwir really only being 7 good teams in the East i think they figure might as well go for the playoffs this year and then just tank next summer when they can out of most of the old guys.
How does a team ‘tank’ in the summer?   ;D
They trade their vets for picks / rookie scale contracts. They fill out their roster with rookies / promising young players / G-Leaguers. They don't sign vets on the minimum, e.g. Frye.
I call that “blowing it up”.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: RockinRyA on July 14, 2018, 08:34:54 PM
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Free agent Channing Frye has agreed to a one-year, $2.4M deal with the Cleveland Cavaliers, league sources tell Yahoo.

https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/1018185390619013120?s=21

I actually would've liked him on our team. Solid locker room guy that can be used situationally, definitely not a rotation guy, to spread the floor as a stretch big. I think he could've been successful under Stevens.


Can someone explain to me just what the Cavs are doing? Apparently they are going to try to make the playoffs this year?
they have too many high prices veterans that they can't trade so they were never going to be able to bottom out and with thwir really only being 7 good teams in the East i think they figure might as well go for the playoffs this year and then just tank next summer when they can out of most of the old guys.
How does a team ‘tank’ in the summer?   ;D

intentionally lose SL games
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: greece66 on July 14, 2018, 08:36:28 PM
been away for some time, apologies if this has already been posted

(edit: I now see Roy had started a separate thread on this)

(https://i.gyazo.com/e148df16957bebd79482f4395a9f0bc1.png)

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1018164740164472834
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: wiley on July 14, 2018, 08:49:37 PM
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Free agent Channing Frye has agreed to a one-year, $2.4M deal with the Cleveland Cavaliers, league sources tell Yahoo.

https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/1018185390619013120?s=21

I actually would've liked him on our team. Solid locker room guy that can be used situationally, definitely not a rotation guy, to spread the floor as a stretch big. I think he could've been successful under Stevens.


Can someone explain to me just what the Cavs are doing? Apparently they are going to try to make the playoffs this year?
they have too many high prices veterans that they can't trade so they were never going to be able to bottom out and with thwir really only being 7 good teams in the East i think they figure might as well go for the playoffs this year and then just tank next summer when they can out of most of the old guys.

They may go for it, but I don't think they'll get anywhere near the playoffs...

Aren't they the Lakers of last year minus Ingram and Ball, plus Love and Sexton?  If Sexton looks like a future star maybe.  Otherwise I think they're headed for top 7 worst and a nice lottery pick...without even trying to tank...
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: liam on July 14, 2018, 09:30:56 PM
been away for some time, apologies if this has already been posted

(edit: I now see Roy had started a separate thread on this)

(https://i.gyazo.com/e148df16957bebd79482f4395a9f0bc1.png)

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1018164740164472834

Money is just burning a hole in some of these teams pockets.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Surferdad on July 14, 2018, 09:37:48 PM
been away for some time, apologies if this has already been posted

(edit: I now see Roy had started a separate thread on this)

(https://i.gyazo.com/e148df16957bebd79482f4395a9f0bc1.png)

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1018164740164472834

Money is just burning a hole in some of these teams pockets.
I suppose in some cases you could chalk it up to huge pressure to put out a decent product on the floor to maintain ticket sales, but this is short-sighted because next off-season there will be much more talent out there in the FA market.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: liam on July 14, 2018, 09:39:36 PM
been away for some time, apologies if this has already been posted

(edit: I now see Roy had started a separate thread on this)

(https://i.gyazo.com/e148df16957bebd79482f4395a9f0bc1.png)

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1018164740164472834

Money is just burning a hole in some of these teams pockets.
I suppose in some cases you could chalk it up to huge pressure to put out a decent product on the floor to maintain ticket sales, but this is short-sighted because next off-season there will be much more talent out there in the FA market.

I just read that the second year is a team option so maybe not as bad as I first thought...
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: CelticsElite on July 14, 2018, 09:42:55 PM
been away for some time, apologies if this has already been posted

(edit: I now see Roy had started a separate thread on this)

(https://i.gyazo.com/e148df16957bebd79482f4395a9f0bc1.png)

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1018164740164472834

Money is just burning a hole in some of these teams pockets.
I suppose in some cases you could chalk it up to huge pressure to put out a decent product on the floor to maintain ticket sales, but this is short-sighted because next off-season there will be much more talent out there in the FA market.
and many better teams will have the same money available.  Butler isn’t going back to Chicago. Kyrie  isn’t going there. Lakers and warriors will compete for Thompson. Who does that leave for Chicago? Rondo? Lol
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Moranis on July 14, 2018, 11:11:39 PM
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Free agent Channing Frye has agreed to a one-year, $2.4M deal with the Cleveland Cavaliers, league sources tell Yahoo.

https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/1018185390619013120?s=21

I actually would've liked him on our team. Solid locker room guy that can be used situationally, definitely not a rotation guy, to spread the floor as a stretch big. I think he could've been successful under Stevens.


Can someone explain to me just what the Cavs are doing? Apparently they are going to try to make the playoffs this year?
they have too many high prices veterans that they can't trade so they were never going to be able to bottom out and with thwir really only being 7 good teams in the East i think they figure might as well go for the playoffs this year and then just tank next summer when they can out of most of the old guys.

They may go for it, but I don't think they'll get anywhere near the playoffs...

Aren't they the Lakers of last year minus Ingram and Ball, plus Love and Sexton?  If Sexton looks like a future star maybe.  Otherwise I think they're headed for top 7 worst and a nice lottery pick...without even trying to tank...
they have 2 players on the team that played for the Lakers last year.  If they come together well they could win 45 games, which should easily make the playoffs in the East. That said I think 40 is a more realistic number which certainly could make the playoffs in the East this year. Obviously this assumes they don't trade Love at some point this season.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: saltlover on July 14, 2018, 11:39:12 PM
been away for some time, apologies if this has already been posted

(edit: I now see Roy had started a separate thread on this)

(https://i.gyazo.com/e148df16957bebd79482f4395a9f0bc1.png)

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1018164740164472834

Money is just burning a hole in some of these teams pockets.
I suppose in some cases you could chalk it up to huge pressure to put out a decent product on the floor to maintain ticket sales, but this is short-sighted because next off-season there will be much more talent out there in the FA market.

I just read that the second year is a team option so maybe not as bad as I first thought...

Yeah, I think it’s a fine deal.  They pretty much chose between Parker and getting a late 1st with a salary dump.  If Parker returns to form, they get another year of him at reasonable money, and then have Early Bird rights that will let them trump anything else he gets in free agency if he lives up to the #2 pick after two years, still at the 25% max level.  And if he doesn’t pan out, they haven’t cost themselves much aside from the opportunity of getting a late 1st from someone.  It’s a fine risk-reward proposition for the Bulls.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: kraidstar on July 15, 2018, 12:49:13 AM
been away for some time, apologies if this has already been posted

(edit: I now see Roy had started a separate thread on this)

(https://i.gyazo.com/e148df16957bebd79482f4395a9f0bc1.png)

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1018164740164472834

Money is just burning a hole in some of these teams pockets.
I suppose in some cases you could chalk it up to huge pressure to put out a decent product on the floor to maintain ticket sales, but this is short-sighted because next off-season there will be much more talent out there in the FA market.

I just read that the second year is a team option so maybe not as bad as I first thought...

Yeah, I think it’s a fine deal.  They pretty much chose between Parker and getting a late 1st with a salary dump.  If Parker returns to form, they get another year of him at reasonable money, and then have Early Bird rights that will let them trump anything else he gets in free agency if he lives up to the #2 pick after two years, still at the 25% max level.  And if he doesn’t pan out, they haven’t cost themselves much aside from the opportunity of getting a late 1st from someone.  It’s a fine risk-reward proposition for the Bulls.

Agree the Bulls have little to lose with the signing, but personally I don't think Jabari is a winner. IMO he is a poor defender and there is just something missing competitive-wise. I dunno, but it's telling that the Bucks moved on form him. He's also missed 145 games due to injury, that's almost half his career so far.

Maybe I'm in the minority,but I'd rather bet on a guy like Smart figuring out how to hit 3's before I bet on Jabari getting healthy and competing on the defensive end.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: nickagneta on July 15, 2018, 01:21:26 AM
been away for some time, apologies if this has already been posted

(edit: I now see Roy had started a separate thread on this)

(https://i.gyazo.com/e148df16957bebd79482f4395a9f0bc1.png)

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1018164740164472834

Money is just burning a hole in some of these teams pockets.
I suppose in some cases you could chalk it up to huge pressure to put out a decent product on the floor to maintain ticket sales, but this is short-sighted because next off-season there will be much more talent out there in the FA market.

I just read that the second year is a team option so maybe not as bad as I first thought...

Yeah, I think it’s a fine deal.  They pretty much chose between Parker and getting a late 1st with a salary dump.  If Parker returns to form, they get another year of him at reasonable money, and then have Early Bird rights that will let them trump anything else he gets in free agency if he lives up to the #2 pick after two years, still at the 25% max level.  And if he doesn’t pan out, they haven’t cost themselves much aside from the opportunity of getting a late 1st from someone.  It’s a fine risk-reward proposition for the Bulls.

Agree the Bulls have little to lose with the signing, but personally I don't think Jabari is a winner. IMO he is a poor defender and there is just something missing competitive-wise. I dunno, but it's telling that the Bucks moved on form him. He's also missed 145 games due to injury, that's almost half his career so far.

Maybe I'm in the minority,but I'd rather bet on a guy like Smart figuring out how to hit 3's before I bet on Jabari getting healthy and competing on the defensive end.

Either way its a losing bet. Jabari doesn't have the instincts or skills to ever be a good defender and, sorry Smart fans, he is just never going to have even acceptable shooting percentages ever. Lots of people rightfully blast Smart for his three point shooting, but just don't take notice that he is horrendous shooting from any distance. Even finishing. He shot only 59% from within three feet last year, his highest since his rookie year of 56%. 59% from within 3 feet is terrible. His percentages from anywhere else are pretty pathetic too.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/smartma01.html
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: greece66 on July 15, 2018, 05:37:10 AM
There are obv health concerns with J. Parker and that's why he only signed for two years.
But in 2016-17, J. Parker averaged 20 pts together with 6 rbs, 3 assts, and a steal. He obv is a good player.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: greece66 on July 16, 2018, 08:55:59 AM
(https://i.gyazo.com/6734e56dd936583a75c5a9f2b5f5d831.png)

https://twitter.com/BA_Turner/status/1018716170063511552
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: hwangjini_1 on July 16, 2018, 01:52:20 PM
...Either way its a losing bet. Jabari doesn't have the instincts or skills to ever be a good defender and, sorry Smart fans, he is just never going to have even acceptable shooting percentages ever. Lots of people rightfully blast Smart for his three point shooting, but just don't take notice that he is horrendous shooting from any distance. Even finishing. He shot only 59% from within three feet last year, his highest since his rookie year of 56%. 59% from within 3 feet is terrible. His percentages from anywhere else are pretty pathetic too.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/smartma01.html
that's a bad bar bet nick. look carefully at what you wrote. you literally cannot win that bet. why? because you set the condition that smart will NEVER, EVER develop a good shot. when does never end?  ;D never! therefore you cannot collect on the bet.

however, smart may someday be good, maybe. then you lose.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: nickagneta on July 16, 2018, 02:06:42 PM
...Either way its a losing bet. Jabari doesn't have the instincts or skills to ever be a good defender and, sorry Smart fans, he is just never going to have even acceptable shooting percentages ever. Lots of people rightfully blast Smart for his three point shooting, but just don't take notice that he is horrendous shooting from any distance. Even finishing. He shot only 59% from within three feet last year, his highest since his rookie year of 56%. 59% from within 3 feet is terrible. His percentages from anywhere else are pretty pathetic too.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/smartma01.html
that's a bad bar bet nick. look carefully at what you wrote. you literally cannot win that bet. why? because you set the condition that smart will NEVER, EVER develop a good shot. when does never end?  ;D never! therefore you cannot collect on the bet.

however, smart may someday be good, maybe. then you lose.
Lol...yeah, Smart could someday be a good shooter...when in his 40's shooting against a chair.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: johnnygreen on July 16, 2018, 02:34:40 PM
...Either way its a losing bet. Jabari doesn't have the instincts or skills to ever be a good defender and, sorry Smart fans, he is just never going to have even acceptable shooting percentages ever. Lots of people rightfully blast Smart for his three point shooting, but just don't take notice that he is horrendous shooting from any distance. Even finishing. He shot only 59% from within three feet last year, his highest since his rookie year of 56%. 59% from within 3 feet is terrible. His percentages from anywhere else are pretty pathetic too.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/smartma01.html
that's a bad bar bet nick. look carefully at what you wrote. you literally cannot win that bet. why? because you set the condition that smart will NEVER, EVER develop a good shot. when does never end?  ;D never! therefore you cannot collect on the bet.

however, smart may someday be good, maybe. then you lose.
Lol...yeah, Smart could someday be a good shooter...when in his 40's shooting against a chair.

OK, but can Marcus post up a chair like Yi Jianlian?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: rondofan1255 on July 16, 2018, 03:34:31 PM
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Free agent Dante Cunningham is finalizing a one-year deal with the San Antonio Spurs, league sources tell Yahoo.

https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/1018935412616724481?s=21
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: celticsclay on July 16, 2018, 05:16:14 PM
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Free agent Dante Cunningham is finalizing a one-year deal with the San Antonio Spurs, league sources tell Yahoo.

https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/1018935412616724481?s=21

Replacement for Leonard
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Beat LA on July 16, 2018, 05:21:59 PM
Welp, forgot to post this -

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Thunder Signs Deonte Burton To Two-Way Contract

Official Release | July 8, 2018

OKLAHOMA CITY, July 7, 2018 – The Oklahoma City Thunder has signed guard Deonte Burton to a Two-Way Contract, it was announced today by Executive Vice President and General Manager Sam Presti. Per team policy, terms of the agreement were not released.

Burton (6-5, 250) spent the 2017-18 season with Wonju Dongbu Promy of South Korea’s KBL, where he appeared in 63 games (all starts) and averaged 23.8 points, 8.8 rebounds, 3.8 assists, 1.65 steals and 1.03 blocks in 31.1 minutes per contest while shooting 47.1 percent (549-1166) from the field.

The Milwaukee native spent two years at Marquette before transferring to Iowa State where he was named Big 12 Newcomer of the Year for the 2015-16 campaign and was selected to the All-Big 12 Second Team the following season. In his two years as a Cyclone, Burton appeared in 61 games (42 starts) and averaged 12.8 points, 5.2 rebounds, 1.5 assists, 1.38 steals and 1.06 blocks in 25.0 minutes per game.

Per NBA rules, each team is allowed two players on Two-Way Contracts in addition to the standard 15 players on the roster. Players on Two-Way Contracts spend most of the season in the NBA G League, but can be called up to their NBA team for a maximum of 45 days.

https://gleague.nba.com/news/thunder-signs-deonte-burton-to-two-way-contract/

:'(
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: rondofan1255 on July 16, 2018, 05:45:27 PM
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Sources: The Dallas Mavericks are signing 33rd overall pick Jalen Brunson of Villanova to a four-year rookie deal, with three years guaranteed.

https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/1018960823182643200?s=21

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Sources: Undrafted USC guard Elijah Stewart has agreed to a one-year, Exhibit 10 deal with the Indiana Pacers

https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/1018956264750157824?s=21

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Memphis Grizzlies General Manager Chris Wallace today announced that the team has signed 2018 second round draft pick Jevon Carter to a multi-year contract. Per team policy, terms of the deal were not disclosed.

https://www.nba.com/grizzlies/news/memphis-grizzlies-sign-jevon-carter-to-multi-year-contract-180715
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: fairweatherfan on July 17, 2018, 11:02:52 AM
Woj reports Bjelica is heading off to Europe rather than play for Philadelphia (he agreed to but never signed a contract). 

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1019235244124225537 (https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1019235244124225537)

Medium-sized loss for Philly if so; Bjelica looked to play an important bench role for them.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: celticsclay on July 17, 2018, 11:22:00 AM
Woj reports Bjelica is heading off to Europe rather than play for Philadelphia (he agreed to but never signed a contract). 

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1019235244124225537 (https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1019235244124225537)

Medium-sized loss for Philly if so; Bjelica looked to play an important bench role for them.

Anyone else they can sign? Wanted George or Lebron, got chandler and had Bjelica back out while losing illysova
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on July 17, 2018, 11:24:34 AM
Woj reports Bjelica is heading off to Europe rather than play for Philadelphia (he agreed to but never signed a contract). 

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1019235244124225537 (https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1019235244124225537)

Medium-sized loss for Philly if so; Bjelica looked to play an important bench role for them.

I wasn't too scarred of Bjelica, but he did offer some no-conscience shooting that would stretch the defense out to 30 feet from the basket.

Who can shoot consistently on that team now other than Reddick?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: fairweatherfan on July 17, 2018, 11:30:43 AM
Woj reports Bjelica is heading off to Europe rather than play for Philadelphia (he agreed to but never signed a contract). 

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1019235244124225537 (https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1019235244124225537)

Medium-sized loss for Philly if so; Bjelica looked to play an important bench role for them.

I wasn't too scarred of Bjelica, but he did offer some no-conscience shooting that would stretch the defense out to 30 feet from the basket.

Who can shoot consistently on that team now other than Reddick?

He's no great shakes but I think he was underused in Minnesota (like every bench player under Thibs) and their offense desperately needs to replace shooting as you say.  I think he'd've been a better version of what Ilyasova gave them.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: greece66 on July 17, 2018, 11:32:24 AM
Woj reports Bjelica is heading off to Europe rather than play for Philadelphia (he agreed to but never signed a contract). 

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1019235244124225537 (https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1019235244124225537)

Medium-sized loss for Philly if so; Bjelica looked to play an important bench role for them.


Were they paying him in peanuts? European teams usually offer significantly less money.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Moranis on July 17, 2018, 11:35:55 AM
Woj reports Bjelica is heading off to Europe rather than play for Philadelphia (he agreed to but never signed a contract). 

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1019235244124225537 (https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1019235244124225537)

Medium-sized loss for Philly if so; Bjelica looked to play an important bench role for them.


Were they paying him in peanuts? European teams usually offer significantly less money.
4.4 million for the 1 year deal.  I can't imagine he gets that in Europe.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: saltlover on July 17, 2018, 11:37:06 AM
Woj reports Bjelica is heading off to Europe rather than play for Philadelphia (he agreed to but never signed a contract). 

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1019235244124225537 (https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1019235244124225537)

Medium-sized loss for Philly if so; Bjelica looked to play an important bench role for them.


Were they paying him in peanuts? European teams usually offer significantly less money.

About $4.5 million.  Quite surprising.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Birdman on July 17, 2018, 11:42:41 AM
Roy Hibbert said hes done..thought he was done years ago! Cant believe he is only 31
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: nickagneta on July 17, 2018, 11:45:20 AM
Woj reports Bjelica is heading off to Europe rather than play for Philadelphia (he agreed to but never signed a contract). 

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1019235244124225537 (https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1019235244124225537)

Medium-sized loss for Philly if so; Bjelica looked to play an important bench role for them.

I wasn't too scarred of Bjelica, but he did offer some no-conscience shooting that would stretch the defense out to 30 feet from the basket.

Who can shoot consistently on that team now other than Reddick?

He's no great shakes but I think he was underused in Minnesota (like every bench player under Thibs) and their offense desperately needs to replace shooting as you say.  I think he'd've been a better version of what Ilyasova gave them.
Pretty much what I thought too and Philly did start playing much better offensively last year after getting Ilyasova and Belinelli. Glad Bjelica decided not to sign. Philly might take a step back this year without those two shooters to space the floor.Teams will see what Boston did to Philly in the playoffs and pack it in and try to make Philly beat them with Embiid, Fultz and Simmons taking outside shots.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Emmette Bryant on July 17, 2018, 11:55:04 AM
Memphis-Sacramento trade. Wonder how this will affect our future drafts.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1019245696170377219
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on July 17, 2018, 11:55:56 AM
Welp, forgot to post this -

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Thunder Signs Deonte Burton To Two-Way Contract

Official Release | July 8, 2018

OKLAHOMA CITY, July 7, 2018 – The Oklahoma City Thunder has signed guard Deonte Burton to a Two-Way Contract, it was announced today by Executive Vice President and General Manager Sam Presti. Per team policy, terms of the agreement were not released.

Burton (6-5, 250) spent the 2017-18 season with Wonju Dongbu Promy of South Korea’s KBL, where he appeared in 63 games (all starts) and averaged 23.8 points, 8.8 rebounds, 3.8 assists, 1.65 steals and 1.03 blocks in 31.1 minutes per contest while shooting 47.1 percent (549-1166) from the field.

The Milwaukee native spent two years at Marquette before transferring to Iowa State where he was named Big 12 Newcomer of the Year for the 2015-16 campaign and was selected to the All-Big 12 Second Team the following season. In his two years as a Cyclone, Burton appeared in 61 games (42 starts) and averaged 12.8 points, 5.2 rebounds, 1.5 assists, 1.38 steals and 1.06 blocks in 25.0 minutes per game.

Per NBA rules, each team is allowed two players on Two-Way Contracts in addition to the standard 15 players on the roster. Players on Two-Way Contracts spend most of the season in the NBA G League, but can be called up to their NBA team for a maximum of 45 days.

https://gleague.nba.com/news/thunder-signs-deonte-burton-to-two-way-contract/

:'(

As a resident of Iowa and adopted Iowa State fan, I can say that Burton is and has always been an interesting prospect. His measurables and explosiveness are remarkably similar to Zion Williamson (this is not an exaggeration). He can shoot outside, attack closeouts, run the floor, and collect garbage points. He is a pretty good passer too. His defensive versatility was always pretty good as well.

Oftentimes, Iowa State would run a pick-and-roll high with Burton. When Burton received the ball, his four teammates were spread out in a box around the 3 point line. Burton's dribbling ability, strength, and quickness made him almost impossible to stop for an individual defender at the college level.

His Senior year he probably had his best game matched up with Josh Jackson on Kansas. He led them to a victory with 29 points, 8 rebounds, and 6 steals. In fact, most of his best games were against the best competition (Gonzaga, Texas, Oklahoma, etc.).

The questions about Burton were around his lingering back issue, and (possibly related to the back issue) his work ethic. If the back issue is figured out, he could very easily play the Justin Winslow role on a team as a playmaking forward who can defend multiple positions (3-5 regularly and guards on occasional switches).

This is a good signing by the Thunder. I could see him fitting really well at the 4 in spot minutes and possibly even developing into a role player.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/deonte-burton-2.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsN_5KO2juo
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: fairweatherfan on July 17, 2018, 12:05:36 PM
Memphis-Sacramento trade. Wonder how this will affect our future drafts.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1019245696170377219

We should be more concerned about what the Kings might do with the cap room they just opened up, especially w/r/t Smart (though they'll probably go after Capela first).
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on July 17, 2018, 12:28:28 PM
Memphis-Sacramento trade. Wonder how this will affect our future drafts.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1019245696170377219

We should be more concerned about what the Kings might do with the cap room they just opened up, especially w/r/t Smart (though they'll probably go after Capela first).

Yeah, that is interesting. By shamsports math, they have just over 20 million in space right now. IF they traded WCS to an interested team (they currently have Koufos, Giles, Bagley, Davis, and Randolph as bigs) and stretch Labissierre, they would have enough to offer Capella the max.

I think the Rockets match it, but it could potentially hurt a conference rival of the Kings.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Roy H. on July 17, 2018, 12:29:20 PM
Memphis-Sacramento trade. Wonder how this will affect our future drafts.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1019245696170377219

We should be more concerned about what the Kings might do with the cap room they just opened up, especially w/r/t Smart (though they'll probably go after Capela first).

Didn’t they only open up an extra $1 million?

They already had plenty of room for smart. If this trade was made for cap purposes, it is probably to take on Carmelo in return for draft compensation.  I think they can make a Koufus for Carmelo + picks deal.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Moranis on July 17, 2018, 12:29:47 PM
Memphis-Sacramento trade. Wonder how this will affect our future drafts.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1019245696170377219

We should be more concerned about what the Kings might do with the cap room they just opened up, especially w/r/t Smart (though they'll probably go after Capela first).
they only opened up like a million dollars though right?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on July 17, 2018, 12:34:08 PM
Memphis-Sacramento trade. Wonder how this will affect our future drafts.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1019245696170377219

We should be more concerned about what the Kings might do with the cap room they just opened up, especially w/r/t Smart (though they'll probably go after Capela first).

Didn’t they only open up an extra $1 million?

They already had plenty of room for smart. If this trade was made for cap purposes, it is probably to take on Carmelo in return for draft compensation.  I think they can make a Koufus for Carmelo + picks deal.

That million and a half, plus a WCS trade, plus a Labissierre stretch would open a max slot. That makes the most sense, as they have a glut of bigs and WCS is the most valuable and expendable, unless they can somehow bamboozle a team into taking Koufos or Randolph.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Who on July 17, 2018, 12:36:07 PM
Roy Hibbert said hes done..thought he was done years ago! Cant believe he is only 31
Hibbert should go to Europe. He could still be a good player over there.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Roy H. on July 17, 2018, 12:38:19 PM
Memphis-Sacramento trade. Wonder how this will affect our future drafts.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1019245696170377219

We should be more concerned about what the Kings might do with the cap room they just opened up, especially w/r/t Smart (though they'll probably go after Capela first).

Didn’t they only open up an extra $1 million?

They already had plenty of room for smart. If this trade was made for cap purposes, it is probably to take on Carmelo in return for draft compensation.  I think they can make a Koufus for Carmelo + picks deal.

That million and a half, plus a WCS trade, plus a Labissierre stretch would open a max slot. That makes the most sense, as they have a glut of bigs and WCS is the most valuable and expendable, unless they can somehow bamboozle a team into taking Koufos or Randolph.

Why do all that if you’re Sacramento? Why waive and stretch Skal, adding money to future books? Why trade your “most valuable” Big just to open space?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on July 17, 2018, 12:40:33 PM
Memphis-Sacramento trade. Wonder how this will affect our future drafts.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1019245696170377219

We should be more concerned about what the Kings might do with the cap room they just opened up, especially w/r/t Smart (though they'll probably go after Capela first).

Didn’t they only open up an extra $1 million?

They already had plenty of room for smart. If this trade was made for cap purposes, it is probably to take on Carmelo in return for draft compensation.  I think they can make a Koufus for Carmelo + picks deal.

That million and a half, plus a WCS trade, plus a Labissierre stretch would open a max slot. That makes the most sense, as they have a glut of bigs and WCS is the most valuable and expendable, unless they can somehow bamboozle a team into taking Koufos or Randolph.

Why do all that if you’re Sacramento? Why waive and stretch Skal, adding money to future books? Why trade your “most valuable” Big just to open space?

I don't. It's just one possible path. I don't they they can trade any other big. Valuable might have been the wrong word. What I meant was that WCS was the player that was most expendable while also holding value that other teams may covet.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: nickagneta on July 17, 2018, 12:55:17 PM
Memphis-Sacramento trade. Wonder how this will affect our future drafts.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1019245696170377219

We should be more concerned about what the Kings might do with the cap room they just opened up, especially w/r/t Smart (though they'll probably go after Capela first).

Didn’t they only open up an extra $1 million?

They already had plenty of room for smart. If this trade was made for cap purposes, it is probably to take on Carmelo in return for draft compensation.  I think they can make a Koufus for Carmelo + picks deal.

That million and a half, plus a WCS trade, plus a Labissierre stretch would open a max slot. That makes the most sense, as they have a glut of bigs and WCS is the most valuable and expendable, unless they can somehow bamboozle a team into taking Koufos or Randolph.

Why do all that if you’re Sacramento? Why waive and stretch Skal, adding money to future books? Why trade your “most valuable” Big just to open space?
That move makes zero sense, even for the Kings. Trade pkayers and release and stretch players to offer a player like Capella a contract that you know the Rockets will match. So you are getting rid of these guys for nothing. Nothing.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on July 17, 2018, 01:04:01 PM
Memphis-Sacramento trade. Wonder how this will affect our future drafts.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1019245696170377219

We should be more concerned about what the Kings might do with the cap room they just opened up, especially w/r/t Smart (though they'll probably go after Capela first).

Didn’t they only open up an extra $1 million?

They already had plenty of room for smart. If this trade was made for cap purposes, it is probably to take on Carmelo in return for draft compensation.  I think they can make a Koufus for Carmelo + picks deal.

That million and a half, plus a WCS trade, plus a Labissierre stretch would open a max slot. That makes the most sense, as they have a glut of bigs and WCS is the most valuable and expendable, unless they can somehow bamboozle a team into taking Koufos or Randolph.

Why do all that if you’re Sacramento? Why waive and stretch Skal, adding money to future books? Why trade your “most valuable” Big just to open space?
That move makes zero sense, even for the Kings. Trade pkayers and release and stretch players to offer a player like Capella a contract that you know the Rockets will match. So you are getting rid of these guys for nothing. Nothing.

Well, yes and no. We may disagree on their values. I don't think Labissierre is an NBA player -- no harm no foul releasing him.

Davis could largely fill a similar role to WCS. They've had 3 years to look at him and he has been mediocre on a bad team. They seem heavily invested in Giles and Bagley.

They might be able to get a 1st round pick from a playoff team who wants a rental plus RFA bird rights on WCS.

They wouldn't be getting "nothing" -- they'd be getting more minutes for other young guys and a 1st round pick.

And then, even if there is a 5% chance that they could sign Capella, it makes sense to try it. Maybe the Rockets think WCS or Davis could fill a similar role for way less money. In that case, the Rockets might be willing to take back WCS in the sign-and-trade.

If the Kings suddenly had Capella, Bogdon, Fox, Hield, and Bagley as their core, they'd be pretty interesting.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: saltlover on July 17, 2018, 01:15:50 PM
Memphis-Sacramento trade. Wonder how this will affect our future drafts.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1019245696170377219

We should be more concerned about what the Kings might do with the cap room they just opened up, especially w/r/t Smart (though they'll probably go after Capela first).

Didn’t they only open up an extra $1 million?

They already had plenty of room for smart. If this trade was made for cap purposes, it is probably to take on Carmelo in return for draft compensation.  I think they can make a Koufus for Carmelo + picks deal.

An update to the deal is that SAC is getting a 2021 2nd-rounder, which is presumably the primary motivating factor to the deal from their end.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Vermont Green on July 17, 2018, 01:34:04 PM
I don't understand it for Memphis.  This puts them to within $90,000 of the tax limit.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: saltlover on July 17, 2018, 01:44:31 PM
I don't understand it for Memphis.  This puts them to within $90,000 of the tax limit.

Bobby Marks had them at $950k away.  They traded away two players they weren’t going to use for one they are, and they continue to indicate they’re going to attempt to be competitive this year.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on July 17, 2018, 01:46:11 PM
I don't understand it for Memphis.  This puts them to within $90,000 of the tax limit.

Bobby Marks had them at $950k away.  They traded away two players they weren’t going to use for one they are, and they continue to indicate they’re going to attempt to be competitive this year.

Yeah. Temple immediately becomes their best wing, which is a position of need in the modern NBA
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Moranis on July 17, 2018, 02:05:47 PM
Memphis-Sacramento trade. Wonder how this will affect our future drafts.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1019245696170377219

We should be more concerned about what the Kings might do with the cap room they just opened up, especially w/r/t Smart (though they'll probably go after Capela first).

Didn’t they only open up an extra $1 million?

They already had plenty of room for smart. If this trade was made for cap purposes, it is probably to take on Carmelo in return for draft compensation.  I think they can make a Koufus for Carmelo + picks deal.

That million and a half, plus a WCS trade, plus a Labissierre stretch would open a max slot. That makes the most sense, as they have a glut of bigs and WCS is the most valuable and expendable, unless they can somehow bamboozle a team into taking Koufos or Randolph.

Why do all that if you’re Sacramento? Why waive and stretch Skal, adding money to future books? Why trade your “most valuable” Big just to open space?
That move makes zero sense, even for the Kings. Trade pkayers and release and stretch players to offer a player like Capella a contract that you know the Rockets will match. So you are getting rid of these guys for nothing. Nothing.

Well, yes and no. We may disagree on their values. I don't think Labissierre is an NBA player -- no harm no foul releasing him.

Davis could largely fill a similar role to WCS. They've had 3 years to look at him and he has been mediocre on a bad team. They seem heavily invested in Giles and Bagley.

They might be able to get a 1st round pick from a playoff team who wants a rental plus RFA bird rights on WCS.

They wouldn't be getting "nothing" -- they'd be getting more minutes for other young guys and a 1st round pick.

And then, even if there is a 5% chance that they could sign Capella, it makes sense to try it. Maybe the Rockets think WCS or Davis could fill a similar role for way less money. In that case, the Rockets might be willing to take back WCS in the sign-and-trade.

If the Kings suddenly had Capella, Bogdon, Fox, Hield, and Bagley as their core, they'd be pretty interesting.
I'm curious why you don't think Skal can play.  Decent outside shooter, decent rebounder, was the Kings best shot blocker last year, etc. 
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on July 17, 2018, 02:07:27 PM
Memphis-Sacramento trade. Wonder how this will affect our future drafts.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1019245696170377219

We should be more concerned about what the Kings might do with the cap room they just opened up, especially w/r/t Smart (though they'll probably go after Capela first).

Didn’t they only open up an extra $1 million?

They already had plenty of room for smart. If this trade was made for cap purposes, it is probably to take on Carmelo in return for draft compensation.  I think they can make a Koufus for Carmelo + picks deal.

That million and a half, plus a WCS trade, plus a Labissierre stretch would open a max slot. That makes the most sense, as they have a glut of bigs and WCS is the most valuable and expendable, unless they can somehow bamboozle a team into taking Koufos or Randolph.

Why do all that if you’re Sacramento? Why waive and stretch Skal, adding money to future books? Why trade your “most valuable” Big just to open space?
That move makes zero sense, even for the Kings. Trade pkayers and release and stretch players to offer a player like Capella a contract that you know the Rockets will match. So you are getting rid of these guys for nothing. Nothing.

Well, yes and no. We may disagree on their values. I don't think Labissierre is an NBA player -- no harm no foul releasing him.

Davis could largely fill a similar role to WCS. They've had 3 years to look at him and he has been mediocre on a bad team. They seem heavily invested in Giles and Bagley.

They might be able to get a 1st round pick from a playoff team who wants a rental plus RFA bird rights on WCS.

They wouldn't be getting "nothing" -- they'd be getting more minutes for other young guys and a 1st round pick.

And then, even if there is a 5% chance that they could sign Capella, it makes sense to try it. Maybe the Rockets think WCS or Davis could fill a similar role for way less money. In that case, the Rockets might be willing to take back WCS in the sign-and-trade.

If the Kings suddenly had Capella, Bogdon, Fox, Hield, and Bagley as their core, they'd be pretty interesting.
I'm curious why you don't think Skal can play.  Decent outside shooter, decent rebounder, was the Kings best shot blocker last year, etc.

I don't think he can defend consistently and think he doesn't play off of other players well.

I could be wrong, but its not like they'd have minutes for him anyway.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: nickagneta on July 17, 2018, 02:15:46 PM
Memphis-Sacramento trade. Wonder how this will affect our future drafts.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1019245696170377219

We should be more concerned about what the Kings might do with the cap room they just opened up, especially w/r/t Smart (though they'll probably go after Capela first).

Didn’t they only open up an extra $1 million?

They already had plenty of room for smart. If this trade was made for cap purposes, it is probably to take on Carmelo in return for draft compensation.  I think they can make a Koufus for Carmelo + picks deal.

That million and a half, plus a WCS trade, plus a Labissierre stretch would open a max slot. That makes the most sense, as they have a glut of bigs and WCS is the most valuable and expendable, unless they can somehow bamboozle a team into taking Koufos or Randolph.

Why do all that if you’re Sacramento? Why waive and stretch Skal, adding money to future books? Why trade your “most valuable” Big just to open space?
That move makes zero sense, even for the Kings. Trade pkayers and release and stretch players to offer a player like Capella a contract that you know the Rockets will match. So you are getting rid of these guys for nothing. Nothing.

Well, yes and no. We may disagree on their values. I don't think Labissierre is an NBA player -- no harm no foul releasing him.

Davis could largely fill a similar role to WCS. They've had 3 years to look at him and he has been mediocre on a bad team. They seem heavily invested in Giles and Bagley.

They might be able to get a 1st round pick from a playoff team who wants a rental plus RFA bird rights on WCS.

They wouldn't be getting "nothing" -- they'd be getting more minutes for other young guys and a 1st round pick.

And then, even if there is a 5% chance that they could sign Capella, it makes sense to try it. Maybe the Rockets think WCS or Davis could fill a similar role for way less money. In that case, the Rockets might be willing to take back WCS in the sign-and-trade.

If the Kings suddenly had Capella, Bogdon, Fox, Hield, and Bagley as their core, they'd be pretty interesting.
Just don't and will never understand the concept of trading away players for nothing(sorry you aren't getting a first for WCS and 2nd rounders are garbage) to open up playing time for players that have shown nothing. Competition for playing time on a team is the best motivator to be your best.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on July 17, 2018, 02:23:54 PM
Memphis-Sacramento trade. Wonder how this will affect our future drafts.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1019245696170377219

We should be more concerned about what the Kings might do with the cap room they just opened up, especially w/r/t Smart (though they'll probably go after Capela first).

Didn’t they only open up an extra $1 million?

They already had plenty of room for smart. If this trade was made for cap purposes, it is probably to take on Carmelo in return for draft compensation.  I think they can make a Koufus for Carmelo + picks deal.

That million and a half, plus a WCS trade, plus a Labissierre stretch would open a max slot. That makes the most sense, as they have a glut of bigs and WCS is the most valuable and expendable, unless they can somehow bamboozle a team into taking Koufos or Randolph.

Why do all that if you’re Sacramento? Why waive and stretch Skal, adding money to future books? Why trade your “most valuable” Big just to open space?
That move makes zero sense, even for the Kings. Trade pkayers and release and stretch players to offer a player like Capella a contract that you know the Rockets will match. So you are getting rid of these guys for nothing. Nothing.

Well, yes and no. We may disagree on their values. I don't think Labissierre is an NBA player -- no harm no foul releasing him.

Davis could largely fill a similar role to WCS. They've had 3 years to look at him and he has been mediocre on a bad team. They seem heavily invested in Giles and Bagley.

They might be able to get a 1st round pick from a playoff team who wants a rental plus RFA bird rights on WCS.

They wouldn't be getting "nothing" -- they'd be getting more minutes for other young guys and a 1st round pick.

And then, even if there is a 5% chance that they could sign Capella, it makes sense to try it. Maybe the Rockets think WCS or Davis could fill a similar role for way less money. In that case, the Rockets might be willing to take back WCS in the sign-and-trade.

If the Kings suddenly had Capella, Bogdon, Fox, Hield, and Bagley as their core, they'd be pretty interesting.
Just don't and will never understand the concept of trading away players for nothing(sorry you aren't getting a first for WCS and 2nd rounders are garbage) to open up playing time for players that have shown nothing. Competition for playing time on a team is the best motivator to be your best.

We probably disagree here, but I'm sure its a disagreement that a lot of GMs share. There's a long list of talented players that were underdeveloped because of lack of minutes or even coaching resources.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: rondofan1255 on July 17, 2018, 02:31:58 PM
All about the 2021 2nd in an exchange of expirings I guess...

Like Vaughn/Zeller and Booker/Okafor
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: TheSundanceKid on July 17, 2018, 02:43:08 PM
Have to imagine they are trying to collect assets. They may well be facilitating a Carmelo buyout. They'd only need to send out $8m in salary.
Sending Koufos would be enough. Just about the assets they can get back..
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: rondofan1255 on July 17, 2018, 07:58:17 PM
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Free agent forward Treveon Graham has agreed to a two-year deal with the Brooklyn Nets, league sources tell Yahoo Sports. Graham, a 6-foot-5 wing, will have a full guarantee on the first season of new deal.

https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/1019365975886426112?s=21

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Guard Lorenzo Brown is finalizing a one-year deal with the Raptors, league sources tell Yahoo Sports. Brown was on a two-way contract with Toronto last season and won G League MVP for Raptors 905.

https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/1019360052497575936?s=21

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Portland has waived center George Papagiannis, league source tells ESPN. He's planning to sign a deal in Greece.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1019431659475570688
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Beat LA on July 17, 2018, 09:32:53 PM
As a resident of Iowa and adopted Iowa State fan, I can say that Burton is and has always been an interesting prospect. His measurables and explosiveness are remarkably similar to Zion Williamson (this is not an exaggeration). He can shoot outside, attack closeouts, run the floor, and collect garbage points. He is a pretty good passer too. His defensive versatility was always pretty good as well.

Oftentimes, Iowa State would run a pick-and-roll high with Burton. When Burton received the ball, his four teammates were spread out in a box around the 3 point line. Burton's dribbling ability, strength, and quickness made him almost impossible to stop for an individual defender at the college level.

His Senior year he probably had his best game matched up with Josh Jackson on Kansas. He led them to a victory with 29 points, 8 rebounds, and 6 steals. In fact, most of his best games were against the best competition (Gonzaga, Texas, Oklahoma, etc.).

The questions about Burton were around his lingering back issue, and (possibly related to the back issue) his work ethic. If the back issue is figured out, he could very easily play the Justin Winslow role on a team as a playmaking forward who can defend multiple positions (3-5 regularly and guards on occasional switches).

This is a good signing by the Thunder. I could see him fitting really well at the 4 in spot minutes and possibly even developing into a role player.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/deonte-burton-2.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsN_5KO2juo

Absolutely. I was hoping that we would take him, last year, and was shocked that he went undrafted owing to the reasons that you presented. I remember watching all of those highlight clips and reading up on him, but I disagree with the comparison to Julius Randle, as Burton has a much better jumper and actually plays defense, among other things, lol ;D, plus, dude is built like a tank lma0 ;D.

What I don't remember, however, is seeing anything pertaining to back issues, although conditioning was cited as a concern, iirc, but, again, iirc, he seemed to have put everything together in terms of work ethic, etc., during his senior season, so yeah, I'm still a big fan. Love his motor, too, and would, well, love to see him match up against Draymond Green. It'd be like watching Rock 'Em Sock 'Em Robots, inside, lol ;D.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on July 17, 2018, 09:51:13 PM
As a resident of Iowa and adopted Iowa State fan, I can say that Burton is and has always been an interesting prospect. His measurables and explosiveness are remarkably similar to Zion Williamson (this is not an exaggeration). He can shoot outside, attack closeouts, run the floor, and collect garbage points. He is a pretty good passer too. His defensive versatility was always pretty good as well.

Oftentimes, Iowa State would run a pick-and-roll high with Burton. When Burton received the ball, his four teammates were spread out in a box around the 3 point line. Burton's dribbling ability, strength, and quickness made him almost impossible to stop for an individual defender at the college level.

His Senior year he probably had his best game matched up with Josh Jackson on Kansas. He led them to a victory with 29 points, 8 rebounds, and 6 steals. In fact, most of his best games were against the best competition (Gonzaga, Texas, Oklahoma, etc.).

The questions about Burton were around his lingering back issue, and (possibly related to the back issue) his work ethic. If the back issue is figured out, he could very easily play the Justin Winslow role on a team as a playmaking forward who can defend multiple positions (3-5 regularly and guards on occasional switches).

This is a good signing by the Thunder. I could see him fitting really well at the 4 in spot minutes and possibly even developing into a role player.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/deonte-burton-2.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsN_5KO2juo

Absolutely. I was hoping that we would take him, last year, and was shocked that he went undrafted owing to the reasons that you presented. I remember watching all of those highlight clips and reading up on him, but I disagree with the comparison to Julius Randle, as Burton has a much better jumper and actually plays defense, among other things, lol ;D, plus, dude is built like a tank lma0 ;D.

What I don't remember, however, is seeing anything pertaining to back issues, although conditioning was cited as a concern, iirc, but, again, iirc, he seemed to have put everything together in terms of work ethic, etc., during his senior season, so yeah, I'm still a big fan. Love his motor, too, and would, well, love to see him match up against Draymond Green. It'd be like watching Rock 'Em Sock 'Em Robots, inside, lol ;D.

You wouldn't have heard anything about it. It stayed in Cyclone circles. He consistently went to the bench with a heat pack on his back. My brother-in-law was a student and said there was definitely something going on with his back.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: blink on July 17, 2018, 10:06:52 PM
As a resident of Iowa and adopted Iowa State fan, I can say that Burton is and has always been an interesting prospect. His measurables and explosiveness are remarkably similar to Zion Williamson (this is not an exaggeration). He can shoot outside, attack closeouts, run the floor, and collect garbage points. He is a pretty good passer too. His defensive versatility was always pretty good as well.

Oftentimes, Iowa State would run a pick-and-roll high with Burton. When Burton received the ball, his four teammates were spread out in a box around the 3 point line. Burton's dribbling ability, strength, and quickness made him almost impossible to stop for an individual defender at the college level.

His Senior year he probably had his best game matched up with Josh Jackson on Kansas. He led them to a victory with 29 points, 8 rebounds, and 6 steals. In fact, most of his best games were against the best competition (Gonzaga, Texas, Oklahoma, etc.).

The questions about Burton were around his lingering back issue, and (possibly related to the back issue) his work ethic. If the back issue is figured out, he could very easily play the Justin Winslow role on a team as a playmaking forward who can defend multiple positions (3-5 regularly and guards on occasional switches).

This is a good signing by the Thunder. I could see him fitting really well at the 4 in spot minutes and possibly even developing into a role player.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/deonte-burton-2.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsN_5KO2juo

Absolutely. I was hoping that we would take him, last year, and was shocked that he went undrafted owing to the reasons that you presented. I remember watching all of those highlight clips and reading up on him, but I disagree with the comparison to Julius Randle, as Burton has a much better jumper and actually plays defense, among other things, lol ;D, plus, dude is built like a tank lma0 ;D.

What I don't remember, however, is seeing anything pertaining to back issues, although conditioning was cited as a concern, iirc, but, again, iirc, he seemed to have put everything together in terms of work ethic, etc., during his senior season, so yeah, I'm still a big fan. Love his motor, too, and would, well, love to see him match up against Draymond Green. It'd be like watching Rock 'Em Sock 'Em Robots, inside, lol ;D.

You wouldn't have heard anything about it. It stayed in Cyclone circles. He consistently went to the bench with a heat pack on his back. My brother-in-law was a student and said there was definitely something going on with his back.

I thought I was the only ISU fan on here, glad to hear there are others!  I am an ISU alum so I am always rooting for our guys to make it.  Burton certainly has NBA useful skills, NBA body, great leaping ability, good shooter from 3, can get his own shot.  Like a lot of other players he just needs to land in the right spot where he can get some playing time. 
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Beat LA on July 17, 2018, 10:29:00 PM
As a resident of Iowa and adopted Iowa State fan, I can say that Burton is and has always been an interesting prospect. His measurables and explosiveness are remarkably similar to Zion Williamson (this is not an exaggeration). He can shoot outside, attack closeouts, run the floor, and collect garbage points. He is a pretty good passer too. His defensive versatility was always pretty good as well.

Oftentimes, Iowa State would run a pick-and-roll high with Burton. When Burton received the ball, his four teammates were spread out in a box around the 3 point line. Burton's dribbling ability, strength, and quickness made him almost impossible to stop for an individual defender at the college level.

His Senior year he probably had his best game matched up with Josh Jackson on Kansas. He led them to a victory with 29 points, 8 rebounds, and 6 steals. In fact, most of his best games were against the best competition (Gonzaga, Texas, Oklahoma, etc.).

The questions about Burton were around his lingering back issue, and (possibly related to the back issue) his work ethic. If the back issue is figured out, he could very easily play the Justin Winslow role on a team as a playmaking forward who can defend multiple positions (3-5 regularly and guards on occasional switches).

This is a good signing by the Thunder. I could see him fitting really well at the 4 in spot minutes and possibly even developing into a role player.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/deonte-burton-2.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsN_5KO2juo

Absolutely. I was hoping that we would take him, last year, and was shocked that he went undrafted owing to the reasons that you presented. I remember watching all of those highlight clips and reading up on him, but I disagree with the comparison to Julius Randle, as Burton has a much better jumper and actually plays defense, among other things, lol ;D, plus, dude is built like a tank lma0 ;D.

What I don't remember, however, is seeing anything pertaining to back issues, although conditioning was cited as a concern, iirc, but, again, iirc, he seemed to have put everything together in terms of work ethic, etc., during his senior season, so yeah, I'm still a big fan. Love his motor, too, and would, well, love to see him match up against Draymond Green. It'd be like watching Rock 'Em Sock 'Em Robots, inside, lol ;D.

You wouldn't have heard anything about it. It stayed in Cyclone circles. He consistently went to the bench with a heat pack on his back. My brother-in-law was a student and said there was definitely something going on with his back.

Ahh, mystery solved. TP for the insider information, lol ;D. But who was Icy Hot? ;) ::) ;D
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Beat LA on July 17, 2018, 10:31:26 PM
I thought I was the only ISU fan on here, glad to hear there are others!  I am an ISU alum so I am always rooting for our guys to make it.  Burton certainly has NBA useful skills, NBA body, great leaping ability, good shooter from 3, can get his own shot.  Like a lot of other players he just needs to land in the right spot where he can get some playing time.

Question for the both of you - I really liked Niang coming out of college, but do you think that he can hold his own, defensively, in the NBA, because that was always the question with him. I think.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on July 17, 2018, 10:36:41 PM
I thought I was the only ISU fan on here, glad to hear there are others!  I am an ISU alum so I am always rooting for our guys to make it.  Burton certainly has NBA useful skills, NBA body, great leaping ability, good shooter from 3, can get his own shot.  Like a lot of other players he just needs to land in the right spot where he can get some playing time.

Question for the both of you - I really liked Niang coming out of college, but do you think that he can hold his own, defensively, in the NBA, because that was always the question with him. I think.

I don't, but he's perfectly suited for a long and successful Euro career.  And I mean that as a compliment.  I was a huge fan of DeAndre Kane, though, despite being 30 y/o at draft time.

Deonte Burton looks like a freak of nature.  I feel like I"m watching Deontay Wilder out there.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on July 17, 2018, 10:36:51 PM
I thought I was the only ISU fan on here, glad to hear there are others!  I am an ISU alum so I am always rooting for our guys to make it.  Burton certainly has NBA useful skills, NBA body, great leaping ability, good shooter from 3, can get his own shot.  Like a lot of other players he just needs to land in the right spot where he can get some playing time.

Question for the both of you - I really liked Niang coming out of college, but do you think that he can hold his own, defensively, in the NBA, because that was always the question with him. I think.

No.

But there are plenty of offense-only players in the NBA that can get regular season minutes as rotation guys.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Beat LA on July 17, 2018, 10:45:11 PM
I thought I was the only ISU fan on here, glad to hear there are others!  I am an ISU alum so I am always rooting for our guys to make it.  Burton certainly has NBA useful skills, NBA body, great leaping ability, good shooter from 3, can get his own shot.  Like a lot of other players he just needs to land in the right spot where he can get some playing time.

Question for the both of you - I really liked Niang coming out of college, but do you think that he can hold his own, defensively, in the NBA, because that was always the question with him. I think.

I don't, but he's perfectly suited for a long and successful Euro career.  And I mean that as a compliment.  I was a huge fan of DeAndre Kane, though, despite being 30 y/o at draft time.

Deonte Burton looks like a freak of nature.  I feel like I"m watching Deontay Wilder out there.

LOL, TP ;D.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Beat LA on July 17, 2018, 10:51:26 PM
I thought I was the only ISU fan on here, glad to hear there are others!  I am an ISU alum so I am always rooting for our guys to make it.  Burton certainly has NBA useful skills, NBA body, great leaping ability, good shooter from 3, can get his own shot.  Like a lot of other players he just needs to land in the right spot where he can get some playing time.

Question for the both of you - I really liked Niang coming out of college, but do you think that he can hold his own, defensively, in the NBA, because that was always the question with him. I think.

No.

But there are plenty of offense-only players in the NBA that can get regular season minutes as rotation guys.

Okay. That was my assessment, as well.

To his his credit, he's an excellent passer, a good shooter, and post player, iirc, but it almost seems like he's quicker on offense when he's bringing the ball up the court as opposed to when he actually attempts to play defense if that makes any sense, lol ;D.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on July 18, 2018, 09:54:24 AM
Memphis-Sacramento trade. Wonder how this will affect our future drafts.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1019245696170377219

We should be more concerned about what the Kings might do with the cap room they just opened up, especially w/r/t Smart (though they'll probably go after Capela first).
they only opened up like a million dollars though right?

As I heard on a podcast yesterday, this deal opens up almost exactly the amount of space the kings would need to absorb Ryan Anderson's contract.

If the Kings stretched Labissierre (or Mason, or anyone else), they could completely receive Anderson into their cap space, which gives the Rockets a 20 million dollar trade exemption. The Rockets would need to send back at least one first round pick.

The Kings get a legit shooter to help stretch the floor and make the game easier for Fox, Hield, Giles, and Bagley. They also get a first round pick.

The Rockets get the space to offer Capella a max. They weren't afraid of the luxury tax, but this way they are paying the luxury tax for worth players. If the Rockets timed the signings correctly, they could still use a full MLE and Biannual exemption before they resign Capella, and then fill out their roster with minimum contracts.

If they were able to offer Melo more money, it might make the buy-out process smoother in OKC (or Brooklyn if he gets traded with a first for Crabbe).

1. Traded Ryan Anderson and Rockets 2019 First Round Pick for protected Kings 2nd
2. Waived Zhou Qi in 2018-19 with $ 0 remaining over 0 year(s)
3. Renounced $ 3,948,000 2018-19 cap hold for Tarik Black
4. Renounced $ 1,512,601 2018-19 cap hold for Joe Johnson
5. Renounced $ 1,512,601 2018-19 cap hold for Luc Richard Mbah a Moute
6. Renounced $ 838,464 2018-19 cap hold for Markel Brown
7. Renounced $ 838,464 2018-19 cap hold for R.J. Hunter
8. Signed Carmelo Anthony to 1yrs/$ 8,641,000 contract starting in 2018-19 using Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level Exception
9. Signed Clint Capela to 4yrs/$ 114,093,280 contract starting in 2018-19 using Larry Bird Exception
10. Signed James Ennis to 2yrs/$ 3,025,202 contract starting in 2018-19 using 4-Year Vet. Minimum Exception
11. Signed Michael Carter-Williams to 1yrs/$ 1,512,601 contract starting in 2018-19 using 2-Year Vet. Minimum Exception
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: saltlover on July 18, 2018, 10:05:17 AM
Memphis-Sacramento trade. Wonder how this will affect our future drafts.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1019245696170377219

We should be more concerned about what the Kings might do with the cap room they just opened up, especially w/r/t Smart (though they'll probably go after Capela first).
they only opened up like a million dollars though right?

As I heard on a podcast yesterday, this deal opens up almost exactly the amount of space the kings would need to absorb Ryan Anderson's contract.

If the Kings stretched Labissierre (or Mason, or anyone else), they could completely receive Anderson into their cap space, which gives the Rockets a 20 million dollar trade exemption. The Rockets would need to send back at least one first round pick.

The Kings get a legit shooter to help stretch the floor and make the game easier for Fox, Hield, Giles, and Bagley. They also get a first round pick.

The Rockets get the space to offer Capella a max. They weren't afraid of the luxury tax, but this way they are paying the luxury tax for worth players. If the Rockets timed the signings correctly, they could still use a full MLE and Biannual exemption before they resign Capella, and then fill out their roster with minimum contracts.

If they were able to offer Melo more money, it might make the buy-out process smoother in OKC (or Brooklyn if he gets traded with a first for Crabbe).

1. Traded Ryan Anderson and Rockets 2019 First Round Pick for protected Kings 2nd
2. Waived Zhou Qi in 2018-19 with $ 0 remaining over 0 year(s)
3. Renounced $ 3,948,000 2018-19 cap hold for Tarik Black
4. Renounced $ 1,512,601 2018-19 cap hold for Joe Johnson
5. Renounced $ 1,512,601 2018-19 cap hold for Luc Richard Mbah a Moute
6. Renounced $ 838,464 2018-19 cap hold for Markel Brown
7. Renounced $ 838,464 2018-19 cap hold for R.J. Hunter
8. Signed Carmelo Anthony to 1yrs/$ 8,641,000 contract starting in 2018-19 using Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level Exception
9. Signed Clint Capela to 4yrs/$ 114,093,280 contract starting in 2018-19 using Larry Bird Exception
10. Signed James Ennis to 2yrs/$ 3,025,202 contract starting in 2018-19 using 4-Year Vet. Minimum Exception
11. Signed Michael Carter-Williams to 1yrs/$ 1,512,601 contract starting in 2018-19 using 2-Year Vet. Minimum Exception

Two years of Anderson’s contract is going to require more than a very late 1st. That’s a two-pick contract, which is why Houston doesn’t want to pay to move it.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on July 18, 2018, 10:32:57 AM
Memphis-Sacramento trade. Wonder how this will affect our future drafts.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1019245696170377219

We should be more concerned about what the Kings might do with the cap room they just opened up, especially w/r/t Smart (though they'll probably go after Capela first).
they only opened up like a million dollars though right?

As I heard on a podcast yesterday, this deal opens up almost exactly the amount of space the kings would need to absorb Ryan Anderson's contract.

If the Kings stretched Labissierre (or Mason, or anyone else), they could completely receive Anderson into their cap space, which gives the Rockets a 20 million dollar trade exemption. The Rockets would need to send back at least one first round pick.

The Kings get a legit shooter to help stretch the floor and make the game easier for Fox, Hield, Giles, and Bagley. They also get a first round pick.

The Rockets get the space to offer Capella a max. They weren't afraid of the luxury tax, but this way they are paying the luxury tax for worth players. If the Rockets timed the signings correctly, they could still use a full MLE and Biannual exemption before they resign Capella, and then fill out their roster with minimum contracts.

If they were able to offer Melo more money, it might make the buy-out process smoother in OKC (or Brooklyn if he gets traded with a first for Crabbe).

1. Traded Ryan Anderson and Rockets 2019 First Round Pick for protected Kings 2nd
2. Waived Zhou Qi in 2018-19 with $ 0 remaining over 0 year(s)
3. Renounced $ 3,948,000 2018-19 cap hold for Tarik Black
4. Renounced $ 1,512,601 2018-19 cap hold for Joe Johnson
5. Renounced $ 1,512,601 2018-19 cap hold for Luc Richard Mbah a Moute
6. Renounced $ 838,464 2018-19 cap hold for Markel Brown
7. Renounced $ 838,464 2018-19 cap hold for R.J. Hunter
8. Signed Carmelo Anthony to 1yrs/$ 8,641,000 contract starting in 2018-19 using Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level Exception
9. Signed Clint Capela to 4yrs/$ 114,093,280 contract starting in 2018-19 using Larry Bird Exception
10. Signed James Ennis to 2yrs/$ 3,025,202 contract starting in 2018-19 using 4-Year Vet. Minimum Exception
11. Signed Michael Carter-Williams to 1yrs/$ 1,512,601 contract starting in 2018-19 using 2-Year Vet. Minimum Exception

Two years of Anderson’s contract is going to require more than a very late 1st. That’s a two-pick contract, which is why Houston doesn’t want to pay to move it.

We'll see. Anderson is not a completely unuseful player to a young rebuilding team.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: green_bballers13 on July 18, 2018, 10:37:22 AM
Memphis-Sacramento trade. Wonder how this will affect our future drafts.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1019245696170377219

We should be more concerned about what the Kings might do with the cap room they just opened up, especially w/r/t Smart (though they'll probably go after Capela first).
they only opened up like a million dollars though right?

As I heard on a podcast yesterday, this deal opens up almost exactly the amount of space the kings would need to absorb Ryan Anderson's contract.

If the Kings stretched Labissierre (or Mason, or anyone else), they could completely receive Anderson into their cap space, which gives the Rockets a 20 million dollar trade exemption. The Rockets would need to send back at least one first round pick.

The Kings get a legit shooter to help stretch the floor and make the game easier for Fox, Hield, Giles, and Bagley. They also get a first round pick.

The Rockets get the space to offer Capella a max. They weren't afraid of the luxury tax, but this way they are paying the luxury tax for worth players. If the Rockets timed the signings correctly, they could still use a full MLE and Biannual exemption before they resign Capella, and then fill out their roster with minimum contracts.

If they were able to offer Melo more money, it might make the buy-out process smoother in OKC (or Brooklyn if he gets traded with a first for Crabbe).

1. Traded Ryan Anderson and Rockets 2019 First Round Pick for protected Kings 2nd
2. Waived Zhou Qi in 2018-19 with $ 0 remaining over 0 year(s)
3. Renounced $ 3,948,000 2018-19 cap hold for Tarik Black
4. Renounced $ 1,512,601 2018-19 cap hold for Joe Johnson
5. Renounced $ 1,512,601 2018-19 cap hold for Luc Richard Mbah a Moute
6. Renounced $ 838,464 2018-19 cap hold for Markel Brown
7. Renounced $ 838,464 2018-19 cap hold for R.J. Hunter
8. Signed Carmelo Anthony to 1yrs/$ 8,641,000 contract starting in 2018-19 using Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level Exception
9. Signed Clint Capela to 4yrs/$ 114,093,280 contract starting in 2018-19 using Larry Bird Exception
10. Signed James Ennis to 2yrs/$ 3,025,202 contract starting in 2018-19 using 4-Year Vet. Minimum Exception
11. Signed Michael Carter-Williams to 1yrs/$ 1,512,601 contract starting in 2018-19 using 2-Year Vet. Minimum Exception

Two years of Anderson’s contract is going to require more than a very late 1st. That’s a two-pick contract, which is why Houston doesn’t want to pay to move it.

I didn't get this post either. Are you saying he's worth taking on for two picks, or all of the other teams feel this way too. I feel that a rebuilding team could take on that salary for the short term.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: saltlover on July 18, 2018, 10:46:48 AM
Memphis-Sacramento trade. Wonder how this will affect our future drafts.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1019245696170377219

We should be more concerned about what the Kings might do with the cap room they just opened up, especially w/r/t Smart (though they'll probably go after Capela first).
they only opened up like a million dollars though right?

As I heard on a podcast yesterday, this deal opens up almost exactly the amount of space the kings would need to absorb Ryan Anderson's contract.

If the Kings stretched Labissierre (or Mason, or anyone else), they could completely receive Anderson into their cap space, which gives the Rockets a 20 million dollar trade exemption. The Rockets would need to send back at least one first round pick.

The Kings get a legit shooter to help stretch the floor and make the game easier for Fox, Hield, Giles, and Bagley. They also get a first round pick.

The Rockets get the space to offer Capella a max. They weren't afraid of the luxury tax, but this way they are paying the luxury tax for worth players. If the Rockets timed the signings correctly, they could still use a full MLE and Biannual exemption before they resign Capella, and then fill out their roster with minimum contracts.

If they were able to offer Melo more money, it might make the buy-out process smoother in OKC (or Brooklyn if he gets traded with a first for Crabbe).

1. Traded Ryan Anderson and Rockets 2019 First Round Pick for protected Kings 2nd
2. Waived Zhou Qi in 2018-19 with $ 0 remaining over 0 year(s)
3. Renounced $ 3,948,000 2018-19 cap hold for Tarik Black
4. Renounced $ 1,512,601 2018-19 cap hold for Joe Johnson
5. Renounced $ 1,512,601 2018-19 cap hold for Luc Richard Mbah a Moute
6. Renounced $ 838,464 2018-19 cap hold for Markel Brown
7. Renounced $ 838,464 2018-19 cap hold for R.J. Hunter
8. Signed Carmelo Anthony to 1yrs/$ 8,641,000 contract starting in 2018-19 using Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level Exception
9. Signed Clint Capela to 4yrs/$ 114,093,280 contract starting in 2018-19 using Larry Bird Exception
10. Signed James Ennis to 2yrs/$ 3,025,202 contract starting in 2018-19 using 4-Year Vet. Minimum Exception
11. Signed Michael Carter-Williams to 1yrs/$ 1,512,601 contract starting in 2018-19 using 2-Year Vet. Minimum Exception

Two years of Anderson’s contract is going to require more than a very late 1st. That’s a two-pick contract, which is why Houston doesn’t want to pay to move it.

We'll see. Anderson is not a completely unuseful player to a young rebuilding team.

Which would be fine if he were on a 1-year deal, but two years at $20+ million per year, and he plays the same position as your #2 overall pick?  The Kings would be better served to offer Capela a ton of money and see what happens, and then getting something for WCS on the trade market.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: saltlover on July 18, 2018, 10:49:49 AM
Memphis-Sacramento trade. Wonder how this will affect our future drafts.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1019245696170377219

We should be more concerned about what the Kings might do with the cap room they just opened up, especially w/r/t Smart (though they'll probably go after Capela first).
they only opened up like a million dollars though right?

As I heard on a podcast yesterday, this deal opens up almost exactly the amount of space the kings would need to absorb Ryan Anderson's contract.

If the Kings stretched Labissierre (or Mason, or anyone else), they could completely receive Anderson into their cap space, which gives the Rockets a 20 million dollar trade exemption. The Rockets would need to send back at least one first round pick.

The Kings get a legit shooter to help stretch the floor and make the game easier for Fox, Hield, Giles, and Bagley. They also get a first round pick.

The Rockets get the space to offer Capella a max. They weren't afraid of the luxury tax, but this way they are paying the luxury tax for worth players. If the Rockets timed the signings correctly, they could still use a full MLE and Biannual exemption before they resign Capella, and then fill out their roster with minimum contracts.

If they were able to offer Melo more money, it might make the buy-out process smoother in OKC (or Brooklyn if he gets traded with a first for Crabbe).

1. Traded Ryan Anderson and Rockets 2019 First Round Pick for protected Kings 2nd
2. Waived Zhou Qi in 2018-19 with $ 0 remaining over 0 year(s)
3. Renounced $ 3,948,000 2018-19 cap hold for Tarik Black
4. Renounced $ 1,512,601 2018-19 cap hold for Joe Johnson
5. Renounced $ 1,512,601 2018-19 cap hold for Luc Richard Mbah a Moute
6. Renounced $ 838,464 2018-19 cap hold for Markel Brown
7. Renounced $ 838,464 2018-19 cap hold for R.J. Hunter
8. Signed Carmelo Anthony to 1yrs/$ 8,641,000 contract starting in 2018-19 using Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level Exception
9. Signed Clint Capela to 4yrs/$ 114,093,280 contract starting in 2018-19 using Larry Bird Exception
10. Signed James Ennis to 2yrs/$ 3,025,202 contract starting in 2018-19 using 4-Year Vet. Minimum Exception
11. Signed Michael Carter-Williams to 1yrs/$ 1,512,601 contract starting in 2018-19 using 2-Year Vet. Minimum Exception

Two years of Anderson’s contract is going to require more than a very late 1st. That’s a two-pick contract, which is why Houston doesn’t want to pay to move it.

I didn't get this post either. Are you saying he's worth taking on for two picks, or all of the other teams feel this way too. I feel that a rebuilding team could take on that salary for the short term.

I’m saying that $20 million of cap space is worth about a late 1st, and as the Kings would be giving up two years of that, it should be 2 1sts.  Teams don’t like tying up cap space for multiple years in advance.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on July 18, 2018, 11:09:02 AM
Memphis-Sacramento trade. Wonder how this will affect our future drafts.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1019245696170377219

We should be more concerned about what the Kings might do with the cap room they just opened up, especially w/r/t Smart (though they'll probably go after Capela first).
they only opened up like a million dollars though right?

As I heard on a podcast yesterday, this deal opens up almost exactly the amount of space the kings would need to absorb Ryan Anderson's contract.

If the Kings stretched Labissierre (or Mason, or anyone else), they could completely receive Anderson into their cap space, which gives the Rockets a 20 million dollar trade exemption. The Rockets would need to send back at least one first round pick.

The Kings get a legit shooter to help stretch the floor and make the game easier for Fox, Hield, Giles, and Bagley. They also get a first round pick.

The Rockets get the space to offer Capella a max. They weren't afraid of the luxury tax, but this way they are paying the luxury tax for worth players. If the Rockets timed the signings correctly, they could still use a full MLE and Biannual exemption before they resign Capella, and then fill out their roster with minimum contracts.

If they were able to offer Melo more money, it might make the buy-out process smoother in OKC (or Brooklyn if he gets traded with a first for Crabbe).

1. Traded Ryan Anderson and Rockets 2019 First Round Pick for protected Kings 2nd
2. Waived Zhou Qi in 2018-19 with $ 0 remaining over 0 year(s)
3. Renounced $ 3,948,000 2018-19 cap hold for Tarik Black
4. Renounced $ 1,512,601 2018-19 cap hold for Joe Johnson
5. Renounced $ 1,512,601 2018-19 cap hold for Luc Richard Mbah a Moute
6. Renounced $ 838,464 2018-19 cap hold for Markel Brown
7. Renounced $ 838,464 2018-19 cap hold for R.J. Hunter
8. Signed Carmelo Anthony to 1yrs/$ 8,641,000 contract starting in 2018-19 using Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level Exception
9. Signed Clint Capela to 4yrs/$ 114,093,280 contract starting in 2018-19 using Larry Bird Exception
10. Signed James Ennis to 2yrs/$ 3,025,202 contract starting in 2018-19 using 4-Year Vet. Minimum Exception
11. Signed Michael Carter-Williams to 1yrs/$ 1,512,601 contract starting in 2018-19 using 2-Year Vet. Minimum Exception

Two years of Anderson’s contract is going to require more than a very late 1st. That’s a two-pick contract, which is why Houston doesn’t want to pay to move it.

I didn't get this post either. Are you saying he's worth taking on for two picks, or all of the other teams feel this way too. I feel that a rebuilding team could take on that salary for the short term.

I’m saying that $20 million of cap space is worth about a late 1st, and as the Kings would be giving up two years of that, it should be 2 1sts.  Teams don’t like tying up cap space for multiple years in advance.

I get your point, but I think the Kings know they aren't a FA destination. Ryan Anderson is a helpful player, and maybe one of the better ways they could use that space.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: saltlover on July 18, 2018, 11:52:05 AM
Memphis-Sacramento trade. Wonder how this will affect our future drafts.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1019245696170377219

We should be more concerned about what the Kings might do with the cap room they just opened up, especially w/r/t Smart (though they'll probably go after Capela first).
they only opened up like a million dollars though right?

As I heard on a podcast yesterday, this deal opens up almost exactly the amount of space the kings would need to absorb Ryan Anderson's contract.

If the Kings stretched Labissierre (or Mason, or anyone else), they could completely receive Anderson into their cap space, which gives the Rockets a 20 million dollar trade exemption. The Rockets would need to send back at least one first round pick.

The Kings get a legit shooter to help stretch the floor and make the game easier for Fox, Hield, Giles, and Bagley. They also get a first round pick.

The Rockets get the space to offer Capella a max. They weren't afraid of the luxury tax, but this way they are paying the luxury tax for worth players. If the Rockets timed the signings correctly, they could still use a full MLE and Biannual exemption before they resign Capella, and then fill out their roster with minimum contracts.

If they were able to offer Melo more money, it might make the buy-out process smoother in OKC (or Brooklyn if he gets traded with a first for Crabbe).

1. Traded Ryan Anderson and Rockets 2019 First Round Pick for protected Kings 2nd
2. Waived Zhou Qi in 2018-19 with $ 0 remaining over 0 year(s)
3. Renounced $ 3,948,000 2018-19 cap hold for Tarik Black
4. Renounced $ 1,512,601 2018-19 cap hold for Joe Johnson
5. Renounced $ 1,512,601 2018-19 cap hold for Luc Richard Mbah a Moute
6. Renounced $ 838,464 2018-19 cap hold for Markel Brown
7. Renounced $ 838,464 2018-19 cap hold for R.J. Hunter
8. Signed Carmelo Anthony to 1yrs/$ 8,641,000 contract starting in 2018-19 using Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level Exception
9. Signed Clint Capela to 4yrs/$ 114,093,280 contract starting in 2018-19 using Larry Bird Exception
10. Signed James Ennis to 2yrs/$ 3,025,202 contract starting in 2018-19 using 4-Year Vet. Minimum Exception
11. Signed Michael Carter-Williams to 1yrs/$ 1,512,601 contract starting in 2018-19 using 2-Year Vet. Minimum Exception

Two years of Anderson’s contract is going to require more than a very late 1st. That’s a two-pick contract, which is why Houston doesn’t want to pay to move it.

I didn't get this post either. Are you saying he's worth taking on for two picks, or all of the other teams feel this way too. I feel that a rebuilding team could take on that salary for the short term.

I’m saying that $20 million of cap space is worth about a late 1st, and as the Kings would be giving up two years of that, it should be 2 1sts.  Teams don’t like tying up cap space for multiple years in advance.

I get your point, but I think the Kings know they aren't a FA destination. Ryan Anderson is a helpful player, and maybe one of the better ways they could use that space.

They could still get a 1st for an expiring from a tax team this year and have the space to do so again next year (either from a tax team or a team like the Lakers looking to create space).  When the Lakers were trying to move Deng this summer, it was reportedly (from Bobby Marks) going to cost them two 1sts.  Anderson is more useful than Deng, but also costs even more.

If you’re a team looking to move an 8-figure contract to reduce or eliminate your tax bill, you have one potential trade partner, and that’s Sacramento.  Meanwhile Sacramento has about 6 teams that would like to avail themselves of Sacramento’s cap space, most or all of whom could offer a better pick than Houston, and most or all of whom could offer an expiring instead of someone under contract for two years.  The Kings have the leverage, and also have no need to make a move immediately — they can wait until the trade deadline.  If Anderson is the best they can do, they’ve really made a mistake.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: greece66 on July 18, 2018, 02:40:50 PM
(https://i.gyazo.com/75e83a19b58fb5e465726a795dd47af2.png)


https://twitter.com/KCJHoop/status/1019640080728772608
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: rondofan1255 on July 18, 2018, 03:41:26 PM
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Not sure if this is out there but the full protections on the Denver pick to Brooklyn in the Arthur/Faried deal = top-12 through 2024, then converts to 2024 & 2025 seconds @BBallInsiders

https://twitter.com/EricPincus/status/1019320465980940288
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: greece66 on July 19, 2018, 01:26:41 AM
(https://i.gyazo.com/5b72ec1ef3e541569cf5f1712f4791cc.png)

https://twitter.com/AschNBA/status/1019701751849635840
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: greece66 on July 19, 2018, 08:31:59 AM
Tyler Ennis officially announced by Fener


https://www.eurohoops.net/en/euroleague/714437/fenerbahce-announced-the-signing-of-tyler-ennis/
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: rondofan1255 on July 19, 2018, 01:16:45 PM
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Sources: Free agent Yogi Ferrell has agreed to a two-year, $5.3M deal to re-sign with the Dallas Mavericks. Ferrell was promised the backup shooting guard position to start next season.

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1019985417012154368

Quote
Second season of Ferrell's Mavericks deal includes a trigger date on July 7, league sources said.

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1019986313305624578

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Sources: Dirk Nowitzki and the Mavericks plan to finalize a one-year, $5 million deal. Neither side appears in rush to sign the contract. Nowitzki is a Maverick for life, of course.

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1019991883349708800

Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: greece66 on July 19, 2018, 03:17:57 PM
Pistons hire Tim Grgurich, Micah Nori as assistant coaches

https://www.mlive.com/pistons/index.ssf/2018/07/pistons_hire_tim_grgurich_mica.html
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: greece66 on July 19, 2018, 03:27:19 PM
(https://i.gyazo.com/d734ad52647c9a8f06d678d26bb3151c.png)




https://twitter.com/CVivlamoreAJC/status/1020004210975395840
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: nickagneta on July 19, 2018, 05:27:24 PM
(https://i.gyazo.com/d734ad52647c9a8f06d678d26bb3151c.png)




https://twitter.com/CVivlamoreAJC/status/1020004210975395840
Jaylen Brown and Marcus Morrris' love child.........
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: mef730 on July 19, 2018, 05:28:38 PM
Wow, Melo to Hawks, to be waived. ATL also gets lottery protected first, which would convert to two seconds.

OKC gets Shroeder.

Mike
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: greece66 on July 19, 2018, 06:34:38 PM
Wow, Melo to Hawks, to be waived. ATL also gets lottery protected first, which would convert to two seconds.

OKC gets Shroeder.

Mike


In the same tweet, Woj claimed Houston is the favourite to get Melo.


https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1020045930429583365
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: rondofan1255 on July 19, 2018, 07:11:44 PM
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Sources: Nuggets guard Monte Morris has agreed to a three-year, $4.8M deal with the team. First two seasons guaranteed. Denver converts Morris, the No. 51 pick in 2017, from a two-way contract to a standard deal

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1020080796730822657

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Sources: The Dallas Mavericks and No. 56 overall pick Ray Spalding have agreed to a four-year rookie deal.

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1020091446165233667
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: saltlover on July 19, 2018, 07:20:37 PM
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Sources: Nuggets guard Monte Morris has agreed to a three-year, $4.8M deal with the team. First two seasons guaranteed. Denver converts Morris, the No. 51 pick in 2017, from a two-way contract to a standard deal

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1020080796730822657

Another potential comp for a Jabari Bird deal.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: rondofan1255 on July 20, 2018, 05:34:52 PM
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Free agent forward Micheal Beasley has reached an agreement with Los Angeles Lakers, league sources tell ESPN.

Sources: It’s a one-year, $3.5 million deal.

https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/1020414483368357889

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Oklahoma City is trading Dakari Johnson to the Orlando Magic, league sources tell Yahoo.

The Magic will send Rodney Purvis to the Thunder for Johnson, league sources said.

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1020406437594492929

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Yogi Ferrell’s new Kings contract will be for two years and $6.2M, league sources said.

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1020399250704928768

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Forward Chris Boucher has agreed on a training camp deal with the Raptors, league sources tell Yahoo Sports. Boucher, who was a two-way contract player for the Warriors last season, played well for Toronto in summer league this month.

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1020351500177084424

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The last two years of Jonah Bolden’s new 4 year, $7 million contract with Philadelphia are non-guaranteed, source tells PhillyVoice

https://twitter.com/KyleNeubeck/status/1020339130096603136
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: blink on July 20, 2018, 05:41:12 PM
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Sources: Nuggets guard Monte Morris has agreed to a three-year, $4.8M deal with the team. First two seasons guaranteed. Denver converts Morris, the No. 51 pick in 2017, from a two-way contract to a standard deal

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1020080796730822657

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Sources: The Dallas Mavericks and No. 56 overall pick Ray Spalding have agreed to a four-year rookie deal.

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1020091446165233667

Awesome news for Monte Morris.  Great point guard at ISU.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: rondofan1255 on July 20, 2018, 06:49:31 PM
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The Grizzlies say they signed Japanese rookie forward Yuta Watanabe to a two-way contract.

https://twitter.com/marcjspearsespn/status/1020437165975752705?s=21

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Alex Len's new deal with the Atlanta Hawks will be for two years, $8.5M, league sources said.

https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/1020784866621784072?s=21
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: hpantazo on July 21, 2018, 07:55:46 PM
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The Grizzlies say they signed Japanese rookie forward Yuta Watanabe to a two-way contract.

https://twitter.com/marcjspearsespn/status/1020437165975752705?s=21

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Alex Len's new deal with the Atlanta Hawks will be for two years, $8.5M, league sources said.

https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/1020784866621784072?s=21

How does Len continue to get paid while Okafor remains without offers?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: bogg on July 21, 2018, 08:17:26 PM
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The Grizzlies say they signed Japanese rookie forward Yuta Watanabe to a two-way contract.

https://twitter.com/marcjspearsespn/status/1020437165975752705?s=21

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Alex Len's new deal with the Atlanta Hawks will be for two years, $8.5M, league sources said.

https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/1020784866621784072?s=21

How does Len continue to get paid while Okafor remains without offers?

Len does random-bench-guy things much better than Okafor does and the ball isn't as sticky with him. It's a shame that Okafor got drafted by Philly, because they didn't really have an incentive to work him through all the ways he needs to remake his game (and didn't have the culture to foster that kind of work ethic, to put it mildly) with Embiid right there, and now no team has a significant investment in him that would have incentivized them to work him through it. It's basically been three lost seasons to kick off his career between the team actively trying to lose games with a two-center lineup his rookie season and then Philly spending a season and a half trying to get back the offers of a mid/late first they initially had when looking to dump him. Honestly think the guy's gonna wind up having to go to China, and that won't do anything for the kind of things he needs to work on.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Beat LA on July 22, 2018, 01:25:53 AM
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Zenit St. Peterburg added Jarrod Uthoff and Vlad Trushkin

19/JUL/18 13:41 

Zenit St. Petersburg added two more members to its front line.

By Eurohoops team/ info@eurohoops.net

After the addition of Phil Scrubb Zenit St. Petersburg boosted its front line with the duo of Jarrod Uthoff and Vlad Trushkin (photo).

The 25 years old Russian left Unics Kazan, while Uthoff is going to have his first season outside the US borders.

According to the EuroCup press release: Russian squad Zenit St Petersburg made official on Wednesday the addition of forward Jarrod Uthoff for the next campaign. Uthoff (2.03 meters, 25 years old) arrives from the Fort Wayne Mad Ants of the G-League where he averaged 16.4 points, 8.3 rebounds, 2.5 assists and 1.1 blocks in 51 games. He had started the season with the Houston Rockets of the NBA and later also moved to the Indiana Pacers before playing at Fort Wayne. Uthoff played college ball at Iowa from 2012 to 2016 and made his pro debut in 2016-17 playing in several G-League and NBA teams. This will be Uthoff’s first experience outside the United States and also is debut in the 7DAYS EuroCup.

https://www.eurohoops.net/en/eurocup/714576/zenit-st-peterburg-added-jarrod-uthoff-and-vlad-trushkin/

:'(

Am officially in mourning, lol ;D.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Beat LA on July 22, 2018, 01:27:09 AM
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The Grizzlies say they signed Japanese rookie forward Yuta Watanabe to a two-way contract.

https://twitter.com/marcjspearsespn/status/1020437165975752705?s=21

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Alex Len's new deal with the Atlanta Hawks will be for two years, $8.5M, league sources said.

https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/1020784866621784072?s=21

How does Len continue to get paid while Okafor remains without offers?

Defense?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Birdman on July 22, 2018, 07:34:55 AM
Laziness
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: rondofan1255 on July 22, 2018, 03:34:51 PM
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Sources: Undrafted Arizona guard Rawle Alkins has agreed to a two-way NBA contract with the Chicago Bulls.

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1021110358059167745
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Beat LA on July 22, 2018, 03:52:58 PM
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Sources: Undrafted Arizona guard Rawle Alkins has agreed to a two-way NBA contract with the Chicago Bulls.

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1021110358059167745

(https://media.giphy.com/media/MwOuiiTfWfWgM/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: manl_lui on July 23, 2018, 01:16:26 PM
Carmelo to Houston after he clears waivers

https://sports.yahoo.com/report-carmelo-anthony-officially-plans-sign-houston-rockets-buyout-135937716.html
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Rakulp on July 23, 2018, 01:33:53 PM
Who else is left out there now worth watching?  Seems teams are getting their rosters set.  Doubt we pick up anybody as player 15 now, as it appears Danny likes to keep his options open during the season up to the trade deadline.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Roy H. on July 23, 2018, 01:38:53 PM
Who else is left out there now worth watching?  Seems teams are getting their rosters set.  Doubt we pick up anybody as player 15 now, as it appears Danny likes to keep his options open during the season up to the trade deadline.

Jamal Crawford, and then whatever happens with the restricted guys like Capela and Hood.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: rondofan1255 on July 23, 2018, 04:30:21 PM
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Memphis has agreed to trade Jarrell Martin and cash to Orlando for Dakari Johnson, league sources tell ESPN.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1021489529692319744?s=21
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: smokeablount on July 23, 2018, 04:42:00 PM
Maybe we are waiting to see if anyone makes an offer for Jabari Bird? DA is probably hoping no one makes an offer, and that we can bring Bird back on a 2-way deal.  I believe we still have 1 spot open.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on July 23, 2018, 04:58:24 PM
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Memphis has agreed to trade Jarrell Martin and cash to Orlando for Dakari Johnson, league sources tell ESPN.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1021489529692319744?s=21

Hmm. Wonder why Memphis did that.  Jarrell Martin isn't always present, but he did show flashes of versatility last year.  Ddidnt know Dakari Johnson was still in the league.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: saltlover on July 23, 2018, 05:01:52 PM
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Memphis has agreed to trade Jarrell Martin and cash to Orlando for Dakari Johnson, league sources tell ESPN.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1021489529692319744?s=21

Hmm. Wonder why Memphis did that.  Jarrell Martin isn't always present, but he did show flashes of versatility last year.  Ddidnt know Dakari Johnson was still in the league.

They were in the tax with Martin.

Also, Dakari was a rookie last year, after spending two years in the D-League post-draft.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on July 23, 2018, 05:16:18 PM
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Memphis has agreed to trade Jarrell Martin and cash to Orlando for Dakari Johnson, league sources tell ESPN.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1021489529692319744?s=21

Hmm. Wonder why Memphis did that.  Jarrell Martin isn't always present, but he did show flashes of versatility last year.  Ddidnt know Dakari Johnson was still in the league.

They were in the tax with Martin.

Also, Dakari was a rookie last year, after spending two years in the D-League post-draft.

I see, thanks.  Looks like they're just under now.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: rondofan1255 on July 23, 2018, 09:19:49 PM
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The Mavericks also just traded Jonathan Motley and the rights to Renaldas Seibutis to the Clippers for the rights to Maarty Leunen and cash considerations

Johnathan Motley was on a two-way contract for Dallas last season; Seibutis and Leunen are former second-round picks who have yet to play in the NBA

https://twitter.com/TheSteinLine/status/1021556201614725128

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Sources: The second season of Yogi Ferrell's deal with the Kings is nonguaranteed.

https://twitter.com/espn_macmahon/status/1021543514881122306

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Sources: The Chicago Bulls have claimed former Atlanta Hawks guard Antonius Cleveland off waivers. Cleveland, 6-foot-6, is on a multiyear deal.

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1021501077701709824

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The second season of Tony Parker's contract with Charlotte is non-guaranteed with a trigger date of July 4th, 2019, per league sources. It is also worth $5.25 million if picked up, so the deal is really two years, $10.25M, sources say.

https://twitter.com/ZachLowe_NBA/status/1021490251943096320

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The Mavs are going transaction wild now that they have Dirk Nowitzki under contract. They just signed Chinese swingman Ding Yanyuhang ... who played summer league ball for Dallas in 2017

https://twitter.com/TheSteinLine/status/1021563221810053122

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Free agent forward Travis Wear has agreed to a two-way contract with the Lakers, league sources tell ESPN. He played 17 games with Lakers last season.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1021787464581701633
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: hpantazo on July 24, 2018, 06:35:29 PM
Vonleh signs with the Knicks, 1 year partially guaranteed

http://www.nba.com/article/2018/07/24/new-york-knicks-sign-free-agent-noah-vonleh
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: rondofan1255 on July 24, 2018, 09:09:54 PM
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Free agent forward Alex Poythress agrees to a two-way deal with the Atlanta Hawks, league sources tell ESPN.

https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/1021897430726393856

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Kawhi Leonard has passed his physical with the Raptors, according to sources. The trade is now official.

https://twitter.com/WindhorstESPN/status/1021914142666575874

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The Golden State Warriors are signing forward Danuel House to a one-year deal, league sources tell Yahoo. House played 23 games for the Suns last season.

https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/1022220984185749508?s=21

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Second-round pick Hamidou Diallo of Kentucky will sign a 3-year, $4M deal with Oklahoma City, league source tells ESPN.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1022223239974727680?s=21
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: rondofan1255 on July 25, 2018, 07:14:20 PM
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Sources: Vince Carter’s deal with the Atlanta Hawks: one-year, $2.4M veteran minimum.

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1022258158193074178
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: tazzmaniac on July 26, 2018, 07:30:11 AM
Listened to the latest J.J. Redick podcast.  He didn't go into details but he mentioned as an aside that he was 1 hour from signing with Indiana before the Sixers increased their offer.  Sounds like he was offered the 1 year/12M deal that Evans eventually got. 
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: saltlover on July 26, 2018, 07:39:35 AM
Listened to the latest J.J. Redick podcast.  He didn't go into details but he mentioned as an aside that he was 1 hour from signing with Indiana before the Sixers increased their offer.  Sounds like he was offered the 1 year/12M deal that Evans eventually got.

As an aside, does anyone remember when Redick was a draft bust?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: liam on July 26, 2018, 12:30:19 PM
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Sources: Vince Carter’s deal with the Atlanta Hawks: one-year, $2.4M veteran minimum.

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1022258158193074178

Isn't Vince 50?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Beat LA on July 26, 2018, 08:55:14 PM

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Sources: The Chicago Bulls have claimed former Atlanta Hawks guard Antonius Cleveland off waivers. Cleveland, 6-foot-6, is on a multiyear deal.

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1021501077701709824

:'(

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The Golden State Warriors are signing forward Danuel House to a one-year deal, league sources tell Yahoo. House played 23 games for the Suns last season.

https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/1022220984185749508?s=21

:'(.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Moranis on July 27, 2018, 08:23:42 AM
Listened to the latest J.J. Redick podcast.  He didn't go into details but he mentioned as an aside that he was 1 hour from signing with Indiana before the Sixers increased their offer.  Sounds like he was offered the 1 year/12M deal that Evans eventually got.

As an aside, does anyone remember when Redick was a draft bust?
He was the 11th pick.  I know people didn't think he would work out well, but even his first few seasons he was at worst going to end up as a bench 3 point specialist.  Now maybe for the 11th pick you want more than that (though historically you rarely get more than rotation level players in that range).  He certainly developed into a much better player than that.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: saltlover on July 27, 2018, 09:22:29 AM
Listened to the latest J.J. Redick podcast.  He didn't go into details but he mentioned as an aside that he was 1 hour from signing with Indiana before the Sixers increased their offer.  Sounds like he was offered the 1 year/12M deal that Evans eventually got.

As an aside, does anyone remember when Redick was a draft bust?
He was the 11th pick.  I know people didn't think he would work out well, but even his first few seasons he was at worst going to end up as a bench 3 point specialist.  Now maybe for the 11th pick you want more than that (though historically you rarely get more than rotation level players in that range).  He certainly developed into a much better player than that.

I’m talking about after three seasons.

Coming out of the draft, Redick was a 4-year starting college senior from Duke, a 2-time ACC POY, a two-time consensus 1st-team All-American, and won virtually every major Player of the Ywar award for his senior season (Naismith, Wooden, AP, Sporting News, etc.).  This is the type of player who might lack a high ceiling, but you would expect to be a contributor relatively early in his career.  Instead he averaged 6, 4.1, and 6 points through his first three seasons, averaging under 18 MPG each season (with a low of 8 MPG in year 2), and a FG% below 40% in year 3.  He looked for all the world like someone who would be out of the league or bouncing around on 1-year minimum deals after his rookie contract ended, given he was already in his mid-20s.

The point of my original comment was not to have a debate about whether or not people misjudged Redick going into the draft.  It wasn’t to have a debate at all.  It was more about his interesting career arc.  He’s become the player many thought he would, and even a bit more than that perhaps.  But it took him 2-3 years longer to reach that career path than many would have expected.  Just something to keep in mind when judging players early in their careers.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: greece66 on July 27, 2018, 01:06:43 PM
Lamar Odom returns to bball to play in China

https://www.journal-news.com/news/national/former-nba-star-lamar-odom-announces-will-play-basketball-china/3dWxrSbPhRtsfolbzBmmHN/
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: SparzWizard on July 27, 2018, 02:04:37 PM
Lamar Odom returns to bball to play in China

https://www.journal-news.com/news/national/former-nba-star-lamar-odom-announces-will-play-basketball-china/3dWxrSbPhRtsfolbzBmmHN/

Why didn't the Lakers signed Lamar Odom too...after all they're signing everyone lol.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: rocknrollforyoursoul on July 27, 2018, 02:24:39 PM
Listened to the latest J.J. Redick podcast.  He didn't go into details but he mentioned as an aside that he was 1 hour from signing with Indiana before the Sixers increased their offer.  Sounds like he was offered the 1 year/12M deal that Evans eventually got.

As an aside, does anyone remember when Redick was a draft bust?
He was the 11th pick.  I know people didn't think he would work out well, but even his first few seasons he was at worst going to end up as a bench 3 point specialist.  Now maybe for the 11th pick you want more than that (though historically you rarely get more than rotation level players in that range).  He certainly developed into a much better player than that.

I’m talking about after three seasons.

Coming out of the draft, Redick was a 4-year starting college senior from Duke, a 2-time ACC POY, a two-time consensus 1st-team All-American, and won virtually every major Player of the Ywar award for his senior season (Naismith, Wooden, AP, Sporting News, etc.).  This is the type of player who might lack a high ceiling, but you would expect to be a contributor relatively early in his career.  Instead he averaged 6, 4.1, and 6 points through his first three seasons, averaging under 18 MPG each season (with a low of 8 MPG in year 2), and a FG% below 40% in year 3.  He looked for all the world like someone who would be out of the league or bouncing around on 1-year minimum deals after his rookie contract ended, given he was already in his mid-20s.

The point of my original comment was not to have a debate about whether or not people misjudged Redick going into the draft.  It wasn’t to have a debate at all.  It was more about his interesting career arc.  He’s become the player many thought he would, and even a bit more than that perhaps.  But it took him 2-3 years longer to reach that career path than many would have expected.  Just something to keep in mind when judging players early in their careers.

You've touched on something that I find problematic with the modern setup of players leaving college so early: A lot of these one-and-done/two-and-through players have good upside, but they may take 2, 3, or even 4 years to develop, which means using roster spots on guys who might not contribute much for quite some time—yet if you don't draft them, you might be wishing (in 2, 3, or 4 years) that you had. Kind of a conundrum.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: MattyIce on July 27, 2018, 04:14:35 PM
Houston has reached an agreement with Clint Capela on a 5-year, $90m extension, sources tell ESPN.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: saltlover on July 27, 2018, 04:17:26 PM
Houston has reached an agreement with Clint Capela on a 5-year, $90m extension, sources tell ESPN.

Good job by Houston going for 5 years.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Roy H. on July 27, 2018, 04:26:15 PM
Houston has reached an agreement with Clint Capela on a 5-year, $90m extension, sources tell ESPN.

Good job by Houston going for 5 years.

That’s a very solid AAV, too.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Moranis on July 27, 2018, 04:56:38 PM
Houston has reached an agreement with Clint Capela on a 5-year, $90m extension, sources tell ESPN.

Good job by Houston going for 5 years.

That’s a very solid AAV, too.
yeah.  I have no idea why Capela would sign that contract.  Way less than both Adams and Gobert and I think he is at least on par with Adams (he is behind Gobert).
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: perks-a-beast on July 27, 2018, 05:02:26 PM
I agree. I actually think he’s more important to the rockets than Adam or Gobert are to their teams. HOU would have nothing in terms of an inside presence without him. Thought he’d be getting at least $22 mill a year..
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: rondofan1255 on July 27, 2018, 05:09:58 PM
makes sense if he doesn’t want to risk injury ruining his payday (DMC, IT)
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: saltlover on July 27, 2018, 05:13:23 PM
I agree. I actually think he’s more important to the rockets than Adam or Gobert are to their teams. HOU would have nothing in terms of an inside presence without him. Thought he’d be getting at least $22 mill a year..

He’s getting close to that tho.  His qualifying offer was $4.7 million.  If he’d taken that he could have gone to unrestricted free agency, where he’d have to get 4 years, $85 million to just get what the Rockets offered, or a little over $21 million per year.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: tazzmaniac on July 27, 2018, 06:31:36 PM
Houston has reached an agreement with Clint Capela on a 5-year, $90m extension, sources tell ESPN.

Good job by Houston going for 5 years.

That’s a very solid AAV, too.
yeah.  I have no idea why Capela would sign that contract.  Way less than both Adams and Gobert and I think he is at least on par with Adams (he is behind Gobert).
1) Nerlens Noel
2) Demarcus Cousins
3) General decline in the importance of big men especially those that can't shoot
4) Capela probably got less interest than expected this offseason even for a restricted free agent. 
5) Teams will have more cap space in 2019 but there will be more good free agents too.   

All things considered its a good deal for the Rockets and for Capela.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: rondofan1255 on July 27, 2018, 07:13:39 PM
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The incentives on Clint Capela's contract, per a league source: $1 million for reaching the Western Conference finals, $500,000 for finishing with a 30% defensive rebounding rate, and $500,000 for shooting at least 65% from the free throw line. Those are for each of the 5 seasons

https://twitter.com/TimBontemps/status/1022979297047240705

I wish Smart's contract had incentives for shooting percentage!  ;D
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: tazzmaniac on July 27, 2018, 07:19:15 PM
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The incentives on Clint Capela's contract, per a league source: $1 million for reaching the Western Conference finals, $500,000 for finishing with a 30% defensive rebounding rate, and $500,000 for shooting at least 65% from the free throw line. Those are for each of the 5 seasons

https://twitter.com/TimBontemps/status/1022979297047240705

I wish Smart's contract had incentives for shooting percentage!  ;D
I assume the ft% is considered an unlikely incentive and the other 2 would be likely incentives. 
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: tazzmaniac on July 27, 2018, 07:21:24 PM
Listened to the latest J.J. Redick podcast.  He didn't go into details but he mentioned as an aside that he was 1 hour from signing with Indiana before the Sixers increased their offer.  Sounds like he was offered the 1 year/12M deal that Evans eventually got.

As an aside, does anyone remember when Redick was a draft bust?
He was the 11th pick.  I know people didn't think he would work out well, but even his first few seasons he was at worst going to end up as a bench 3 point specialist.  Now maybe for the 11th pick you want more than that (though historically you rarely get more than rotation level players in that range).  He certainly developed into a much better player than that.

I’m talking about after three seasons.

Coming out of the draft, Redick was a 4-year starting college senior from Duke, a 2-time ACC POY, a two-time consensus 1st-team All-American, and won virtually every major Player of the Ywar award for his senior season (Naismith, Wooden, AP, Sporting News, etc.).  This is the type of player who might lack a high ceiling, but you would expect to be a contributor relatively early in his career.  Instead he averaged 6, 4.1, and 6 points through his first three seasons, averaging under 18 MPG each season (with a low of 8 MPG in year 2), and a FG% below 40% in year 3.  He looked for all the world like someone who would be out of the league or bouncing around on 1-year minimum deals after his rookie contract ended, given he was already in his mid-20s.

The point of my original comment was not to have a debate about whether or not people misjudged Redick going into the draft.  It wasn’t to have a debate at all.  It was more about his interesting career arc.  He’s become the player many thought he would, and even a bit more than that perhaps.  But it took him 2-3 years longer to reach that career path than many would have expected.  Just something to keep in mind when judging players early in their careers.

You've touched on something that I find problematic with the modern setup of players leaving college so early: A lot of these one-and-done/two-and-through players have good upside, but they may take 2, 3, or even 4 years to develop, which means using roster spots on guys who might not contribute much for quite some time—yet if you don't draft them, you might be wishing (in 2, 3, or 4 years) that you had. Kind of a conundrum.
In a few years, teams will be dealing with high school and done again.  That's really going to be a conundrum. 
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: greece66 on August 05, 2018, 07:38:12 PM
(https://i.gyazo.com/bb67f249af34c28ad2d9024425b1bcfc.png)

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1026186872878456832
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: perks-a-beast on August 05, 2018, 07:47:50 PM
(https://i.gyazo.com/bb67f249af34c28ad2d9024425b1bcfc.png)

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1026186872878456832

so tired of all these super teams forming..
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: greece66 on August 05, 2018, 08:06:59 PM
(https://i.gyazo.com/bb67f249af34c28ad2d9024425b1bcfc.png)

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1026186872878456832 (https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1026186872878456832)

so tired of all these super teams forming..

(https://media.makeameme.org/created/brace-yourself-its-5b6790.jpg)
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Eddie20 on August 07, 2018, 08:01:34 AM
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Washington’s Markieff Morris and Boston’s Marcus Morris have signed with agent Rich Paul of Klutch Sports Group. Both will enter free agency next summer.
— Shams Charania

If the Lakers strike out on landing a big time FA, I can definitely see the Morris brothers taking a below market to deal to play together (as they did with Phoenix), be in LA, and play with Lebron. It would also give the Lakers a team full of versatile and switchable defenders (James, Morris brothers, Ingram, Kuzma, Ball, etc.), all 6'6" to 6"10, and with the exception of Ball, all are respectable shooters.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: greece66 on August 08, 2018, 10:26:12 AM
(https://i.gyazo.com/08e6a2a6de080ae1e0677ebb4ba78971.png)

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1027183143567142912
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: gouki88 on August 08, 2018, 10:32:55 AM
(https://i.gyazo.com/08e6a2a6de080ae1e0677ebb4ba78971.png)

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1027183143567142912
They love their Okafor's down there
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: nickagneta on August 08, 2018, 10:48:16 AM
(https://i.gyazo.com/08e6a2a6de080ae1e0677ebb4ba78971.png)

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1027183143567142912
Thought for sure he would China bound.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on August 08, 2018, 10:54:47 AM
(https://i.gyazo.com/08e6a2a6de080ae1e0677ebb4ba78971.png)

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1027183143567142912

They are doing exactly what they should be doing: taking fliers on high lottery picks hoping that one of them turns out.

Payton, Randle, and now Okafor could all be key cogs in their team. The Pelicans have no other way of increasing the talent on their team. They have no tradeable assets and no cap space.

Okafor fits really well next to Davis, and the Pelicans (outside of Davis and Holliday) hardly play defense anyway. I really like what they are doing.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: rondofan1255 on August 08, 2018, 12:07:19 PM
Only a partial guarantee for Jahlil Okafor.

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Source: Partial guarantee on this season, and a team option for 2019-20.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1027183865176236033

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New Orleans is one of a few teams that still have open roster spots available. The Pelicans have 12 guaranteed contracts with veteran Emeka Okafor on a non-guaranteed salary and wing DeAndre Liggins on a partial. Good opportunity for Jahlil Okafor to make the roster.

https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/1027184598474739713
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: liam on August 08, 2018, 01:09:33 PM
(https://i.gyazo.com/08e6a2a6de080ae1e0677ebb4ba78971.png)

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1027183143567142912

They are doing exactly what they should be doing: taking fliers on high lottery picks hoping that one of them turns out.

Payton, Randle, and now Okafor could all be key cogs in their team. The Pelicans have no other way of increasing the talent on their team. They have no tradeable assets and no cap space.

Okafor fits really well next to Davis, and the Pelicans (outside of Davis and Holliday) hardly play defense anyway. I really like what they are doing.

If Okafor can't look good next to Davis he's out of the League.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: tazzmaniac on August 20, 2018, 08:28:58 PM
Only a partial guarantee for Jahlil Okafor.

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Source: Partial guarantee on this season, and a team option for 2019-20.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1027183865176236033

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New Orleans is one of a few teams that still have open roster spots available. The Pelicans have 12 guaranteed contracts with veteran Emeka Okafor on a non-guaranteed salary and wing DeAndre Liggins on a partial. Good opportunity for Jahlil Okafor to make the roster.

https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/1027184598474739713
From Nate Duncan's podcast, the partial guarantee is only 50k. 
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: nickagneta on August 20, 2018, 08:45:01 PM
Only a partial guarantee for Jahlil Okafor.

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Source: Partial guarantee on this season, and a team option for 2019-20.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1027183865176236033

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New Orleans is one of a few teams that still have open roster spots available. The Pelicans have 12 guaranteed contracts with veteran Emeka Okafor on a non-guaranteed salary and wing DeAndre Liggins on a partial. Good opportunity for Jahlil Okafor to make the roster.

https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/1027184598474739713
From Nate Duncan's podcast, the partial guarantee is only 50k.
NO must not have much faith in Okafor making the team when they guaranteed only $50K.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: hwangjini_1 on August 20, 2018, 09:19:32 PM
Only a partial guarantee for Jahlil Okafor.

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Source: Partial guarantee on this season, and a team option for 2019-20.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1027183865176236033

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New Orleans is one of a few teams that still have open roster spots available. The Pelicans have 12 guaranteed contracts with veteran Emeka Okafor on a non-guaranteed salary and wing DeAndre Liggins on a partial. Good opportunity for Jahlil Okafor to make the roster.

https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/1027184598474739713
From Nate Duncan's podcast, the partial guarantee is only 50k.
NO must not have much faith in Okafor making the team when they guaranteed only $50K.
i agree. but it is still more faith in okafor than most nba teams would seem to have right now. his career is really bottoming out.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: rocknrollforyoursoul on August 20, 2018, 09:30:21 PM
Only a partial guarantee for Jahlil Okafor.

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Source: Partial guarantee on this season, and a team option for 2019-20.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1027183865176236033

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New Orleans is one of a few teams that still have open roster spots available. The Pelicans have 12 guaranteed contracts with veteran Emeka Okafor on a non-guaranteed salary and wing DeAndre Liggins on a partial. Good opportunity for Jahlil Okafor to make the roster.

https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/1027184598474739713

I think we're all missing the real news here: Emeka Okafor is still playing?!?  ;D
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: saltlover on August 20, 2018, 11:01:34 PM
Only a partial guarantee for Jahlil Okafor.

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Source: Partial guarantee on this season, and a team option for 2019-20.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1027183865176236033

Quote
New Orleans is one of a few teams that still have open roster spots available. The Pelicans have 12 guaranteed contracts with veteran Emeka Okafor on a non-guaranteed salary and wing DeAndre Liggins on a partial. Good opportunity for Jahlil Okafor to make the roster.

https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/1027184598474739713
From Nate Duncan's podcast, the partial guarantee is only 50k.

Interesting.  $50k is the largest guarantee you can get and still be eligible for a 2-way with a club.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: celticsclay on August 21, 2018, 02:05:19 AM
Only a partial guarantee for Jahlil Okafor.

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Source: Partial guarantee on this season, and a team option for 2019-20.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1027183865176236033

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New Orleans is one of a few teams that still have open roster spots available. The Pelicans have 12 guaranteed contracts with veteran Emeka Okafor on a non-guaranteed salary and wing DeAndre Liggins on a partial. Good opportunity for Jahlil Okafor to make the roster.

https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/1027184598474739713

I think we're all missing the real news here: Emeka Okafor is still playing?!?  ;D

The okafors are following each other around the league now
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: GreenEnvy on August 21, 2018, 04:15:11 AM
Only a partial guarantee for Jahlil Okafor.

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Source: Partial guarantee on this season, and a team option for 2019-20.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1027183865176236033

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New Orleans is one of a few teams that still have open roster spots available. The Pelicans have 12 guaranteed contracts with veteran Emeka Okafor on a non-guaranteed salary and wing DeAndre Liggins on a partial. Good opportunity for Jahlil Okafor to make the roster.

https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/1027184598474739713

I think we're all missing the real news here: Emeka Okafor is still playing?!?  ;D

Always liked Emeka. Seems like a good guy. Did his job on the court. The neck injury derailed him from having a better career, but he was pretty good in his day and kept working to get back to the NBA.

Heck, he returned after missing four full seasons, got cut in training camp, went to the G-League... literally clawed his way back into the NBA and still put up pretty impressive numbers in very limited minutes (small sample size, but he posted career high rebounds per36 and nearly career highs in blocks and steals per36).
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: gouki88 on August 21, 2018, 04:58:38 AM
Only a partial guarantee for Jahlil Okafor.

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Source: Partial guarantee on this season, and a team option for 2019-20.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1027183865176236033

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New Orleans is one of a few teams that still have open roster spots available. The Pelicans have 12 guaranteed contracts with veteran Emeka Okafor on a non-guaranteed salary and wing DeAndre Liggins on a partial. Good opportunity for Jahlil Okafor to make the roster.

https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/1027184598474739713

I think we're all missing the real news here: Emeka Okafor is still playing?!?  ;D

Always liked Emeka. Seems like a good guy. Did his job on the court. The neck injury derailed him from having a better career, but he was pretty good in his day and kept working to get back to the NBA.

Heck, he returned after missing four full seasons, got cut in training camp, went to the G-League... literally clawed his way back into the NBA and still put up pretty impressive numbers in very limited minutes (small sample size, but he posted career high rebounds per36 and nearly career highs in blocks and steals per36).
His work ethic and pure effort levels could not be further from Jahlil’s, lol.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: rondofan1255 on August 22, 2018, 02:24:55 PM
I think we're all missing the real news here: Emeka Okafor is still playing?!?  ;D

Ha!

Only a partial guarantee for Jahlil Okafor.

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Source: Partial guarantee on this season, and a team option for 2019-20.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1027183865176236033

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New Orleans is one of a few teams that still have open roster spots available. The Pelicans have 12 guaranteed contracts with veteran Emeka Okafor on a non-guaranteed salary and wing DeAndre Liggins on a partial. Good opportunity for Jahlil Okafor to make the roster.

https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/1027184598474739713
From Nate Duncan's podcast, the partial guarantee is only 50k.

Interesting.  $50k is the largest guarantee you can get and still be eligible for a 2-way with a club.

Wow. Doesn't look good!
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: rondofan1255 on August 27, 2018, 02:16:33 PM
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Sources: Free agent forward Thomas Robinson is signing a non-guaranteed deal with the Atlanta Hawks.

https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/1034061601903656962?s=21

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Free agent wing Quincy Pondexter has reached an agreement on a one-year deal with the San Antonio Spurs, league sources tell ESPN.

https://twitter.com/chrisbhaynes/status/1034204448539590656?s=21
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: fairweatherfan on August 30, 2018, 09:56:46 AM
David West just announced his retirement. (https://twitter.com/D_West30/status/1035162318756241409)

Nice solid player who got a couple all-star games from playing with CP3 then a couple rings from playing with the Warriors. First ballot Hall of Very Good player.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Birdman on August 30, 2018, 10:55:28 AM
David West just announced his retirement. (https://twitter.com/D_West30/status/1035162318756241409)

Nice solid player who got a couple all-star games from playing with CP3 then a couple rings from playing with the Warriors. First ballot Hall of Very Good player.
Very good player, not great..remember he back away from Celtics to sign with Indy?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: rondofan1255 on August 30, 2018, 01:36:27 PM
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Oklahoma City is using the waive and  stretch provision on final year of Kyle Singler’s contract, league sources tell ESPN.

Thunder will save $23.4M in salary and luxury tax this year on stretching Singler’s $5M salary.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1035188115579789313
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: saltlover on August 30, 2018, 01:50:42 PM
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Oklahoma City is using the waive and  stretch provision on final year of Kyle Singler’s contract, league sources tell ESPN.

Thunder will save $23.4M in salary and luxury tax this year on stretching Singler’s $5M salary.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1035188115579789313

Yes, this is not remotely a surprise, as next year’s salary was non-guaranteed, letting them stretch $5 million over 5 years.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: rondofan1255 on September 03, 2018, 01:22:54 PM
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Sources: Clippers restricted free agent Tyrone Wallace has agreed to an offer sheet with the New Orleans Pelicans. Clippers placed a two-way qualifying offer on Wallace and can match deal.

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1036647081539264512

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New Orleans Pelicans’ offer sheet for restricted free agent Tyrone Wallace is for two years at the minimum and partially guaranteed, per ESPN sources. Los Angeles Clippers can match the offer.

https://twitter.com/IanBegley/status/1036657601046433793

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Sources: Along with offer sheet on Tyrone Wallace, New Orleans is signing four-year NBA guard Darius Morris to a partially guaranteed two-year deal.

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1036987255146119168
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: greece66 on September 04, 2018, 03:14:35 PM
(https://i.gyazo.com/ed017095728d643dc1a126fe087162d2.png)

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1036651066144776192
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: fairweatherfan on September 06, 2018, 04:44:20 PM
Boris Diaw has retired...what a fun player, especially in his stint with the Steve Nash Suns.

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1037763907262263296 (https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1037763907262263296)
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: nickagneta on September 06, 2018, 05:03:39 PM
Boris Diaw has retired...what a fun player, especially in his stint with the Steve Nash Suns.

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1037763907262263296 (https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1037763907262263296)
Also, a very key piece of that Spurs team that beat Miami. His immediate passing decisions out of the low post made for one of the most gorgeous passing offenses I have ever seen. Just a great passing PF.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: fairweatherfan on September 06, 2018, 05:08:39 PM
Boris Diaw has retired...what a fun player, especially in his stint with the Steve Nash Suns.

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1037763907262263296 (https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1037763907262263296)
Also, a very key piece of that Spurs team that beat Miami. His immediate passing decisions out of the low post made for one of the most gorgeous passing offenses I have ever seen. Just a great passing PF.

Yeah he was heftier then and not as nimble or in as big of a role but he played a key part in those beautiful 13-14 Spurs squads.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: greece66 on September 08, 2018, 12:57:04 PM
>Atlanta Hawks Sign R.J. Hunter

https://www.nba.com/hawks/atlanta-hawks-sign-rj-hunter?cid=hawks_18freeagency_s_h_t_-_-_0907_hawkssignrjhunter
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: BitterJim on September 08, 2018, 01:31:20 PM
>Atlanta Hawks Sign R.J. Hunter

https://www.nba.com/hawks/atlanta-hawks-sign-rj-hunter?cid=hawks_18freeagency_s_h_t_-_-_0907_hawkssignrjhunter

Good for him. Hopefully he can carve out a role in a low-pressure situation like that
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: rondofan1255 on September 08, 2018, 02:08:27 PM
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The Cavs signed David Nwaba to a one-year minimum deal

https://twitter.com/joevardon/status/1038456822724739072

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Nwaba’s deal with the Cavs is for $1.5 million

https://twitter.com/joevardon/status/1038457402633400321
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: rondofan1255 on September 14, 2018, 12:48:30 PM
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Sources: Guard Kobi Simmons is signing a one-year deal with the Cavaliers. Simmons was recently released from two-way deal with Memphis.

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1040591544951209985

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Sources: Undrafted Louisville forward Deng Adel changed course from Minnesota training camp and instead will sign a partially guaranteed deal with the Raptors.

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1040235895205580800

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The Bulls have agreed to a training camp deal with former Xavier forward Kaiser Gates, The Athletic has learned. Gates played on the Bulls’ summer league roster after forgoing the final year of his collegiate eligibility. He shot 37.8% from 3 on 4.2 attempts per game last year.

https://twitter.com/DarnellMayberry/status/1040621907232665602

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Former Sun Alan Williams has agreed to a two-way deal with the Nets, league source tells ESPN.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1040663395618439168?s=21
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: greece66 on September 17, 2018, 01:14:58 AM
>In a blow to the Houston Rockets, associate head coach Jeff Bzdelik -- architect of franchise's rejuvenated defense -- has informed team he's retiring, league sources tell ESPN. Bzdelik, 65, was a head coach with Nuggets in NBA and Colorado, Air Force and Wake Forest in college. [Woj]

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1041477092670529537
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: SparzWizard on September 17, 2018, 01:33:19 AM
>In a blow to the Houston Rockets, associate head coach Jeff Bzdelik -- architect of franchise's rejuvenated defense -- has informed team he's retiring, league sources tell ESPN. Bzdelik, 65, was a head coach with Nuggets in NBA and Colorado, Air Force and Wake Forest in college. [Woj]

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1041477092670529537

Don't matter as long as James Harden, CP3, Clint Capela, and Eric Gordon are healthy they will ball up the Warriors.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: hpantazo on September 17, 2018, 08:17:35 PM
 
@ShamsCharania

Free agent guard Jarrett Jack has agreed to a one-year deal with the New Orleans Pelicans, per league sources.
3:26 PM - 17 Sep 2018


Jack will sign a non-guaranteed deal, allowing him to compete for a reserve point guard spot for Pelicans.
Shams Charania added


https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1041815599305900032
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: fairweatherfan on September 17, 2018, 10:35:12 PM
Jarrett Jack, hanging on despite being awful for like 5 years.  Respect.  Go get that 16th year!
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: rondofan1255 on September 19, 2018, 01:06:08 PM
Only a partial guarantee for Jahlil Okafor.

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Source: Partial guarantee on this season, and a team option for 2019-20.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1027183865176236033

Quote
New Orleans is one of a few teams that still have open roster spots available. The Pelicans have 12 guaranteed contracts with veteran Emeka Okafor on a non-guaranteed salary and wing DeAndre Liggins on a partial. Good opportunity for Jahlil Okafor to make the roster.

https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/1027184598474739713

I think we're all missing the real news here: Emeka Okafor is still playing?!?  ;D

Always liked Emeka. Seems like a good guy. Did his job on the court. The neck injury derailed him from having a better career, but he was pretty good in his day and kept working to get back to the NBA.

Heck, he returned after missing four full seasons, got cut in training camp, went to the G-League... literally clawed his way back into the NBA and still put up pretty impressive numbers in very limited minutes (small sample size, but he posted career high rebounds per36 and nearly career highs in blocks and steals per36).
His work ethic and pure effort levels could not be further from Jahlil’s, lol.

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The Pelicans have waived veteran Emeka Okafor. The veteran had $0 protection that would have increased to $100K guaranteed if he was on the roster past Sept. 21. The $100K in protection originally had a July trigger date but was amended this summer.

https://twitter.com/bobbymarks42/status/1042457261715742722?s=21
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: rondofan1255 on September 21, 2018, 05:27:52 PM
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Sources: New Phoenix Suns guard De’Anthony Melton — the 46th pick in June’s NBA draft — has signed a guaranteed two-year, $2.3M rookie deal.

https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/1043246499025571840?s=21
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Birdman on September 21, 2018, 06:51:09 PM
Jarrett Jack, hanging on despite being awful for like 5 years.  Respect.  Go get that 16th year!
If any player last this long, i take my hat off to him!! some dont make it pass 2 years after college
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: nickagneta on September 21, 2018, 06:54:04 PM
All of us from celticsblog.com to celticsstrong.com
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: gouki88 on September 21, 2018, 07:16:50 PM
All of us from celticsblog.com to celticsstrong.com
Most important move of the year!
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: SparzWizard on September 22, 2018, 02:43:27 AM
All of us from celticsblog.com to celticsstrong.com

Clever. Very clever.
My first TP of Celticsstrong goes to nickagneta!
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: rondofan1255 on September 22, 2018, 05:16:50 PM
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The Sacramento Kings announce they have waived center Deyonta Davis. He was acquired with Ben McLemore in the trade with Memphis for Garrett Temple.

https://twitter.com/seancunningham/status/1043608151826681856?s=21
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Birdman on September 22, 2018, 05:28:30 PM
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The Sacramento Kings announce they have waived center Deyonta Davis. He was acquired with Ben McLemore in the trade with Memphis for Garrett Temple.

https://twitter.com/seancunningham/status/1043608151826681856?s=21
Was he the one that suppose to be a lottery pick then drop to second round?
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: rondofan1255 on September 22, 2018, 05:31:54 PM
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The Sacramento Kings announce they have waived center Deyonta Davis. He was acquired with Ben McLemore in the trade with Memphis for Garrett Temple.

https://twitter.com/seancunningham/status/1043608151826681856?s=21
Was he the one that suppose to be a lottery pick then drop to second round?

Yup projected first round, the one Memphis selected with the 2016 #31 pick acquired from the C's.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: BitterJim on September 22, 2018, 08:02:58 PM
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The Sacramento Kings announce they have waived center Deyonta Davis. He was acquired with Ben McLemore in the trade with Memphis for Garrett Temple.

https://twitter.com/seancunningham/status/1043608151826681856?s=21
Was he the one that suppose to be a lottery pick then drop to second round?

Yup projected first round, the one Memphis selected with the 2016 #31 pick acquired from the C's.

I can't believe they gave us a first rounder for him. If Butler or Kawhi ends up on the Clippers, we would be looking at a pick in the high teens/early 20s. Not bad for a draft where we had to make a trade
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: SparzWizard on October 13, 2018, 02:48:27 PM
Adrian Wojnarowski

Sources with @ianbegley: Knicks center Joakim Noah has no traction on an open roster spot elsewhere in NBA, so he’s remained unwilling to agree to a buyout. New York simply waiving and stretching the $38M owed him likely comes soon.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: nickagneta on October 13, 2018, 03:50:41 PM
Looks like Knicks waived Noah and Pelicans waived Jarrett Jack
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: rondofan1255 on October 15, 2018, 03:53:49 PM
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New Orleans is acquiring Clippers forward Wesley Johnson in a trade for center Alexis Ajinca, league sources tell ESPN. Clippers will waive Ajinca and guard Juwan Evans to get to 15 for opening night.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1051915174582587393

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Sources on @TheAthleticNBA @WatchStadium: Indiana Pacers center Myles Turner has agreed to a four-year, $80 million contract extension.

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1051921377987579904

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Suns have signed guard Jamal Crawford, a source said.

Crawford is signing a one-year deal paying $2.4 million.

https://twitter.com/MarcJSpearsESPN/status/1051891616942682112
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: fairweatherfan on October 15, 2018, 03:54:54 PM
Richard Jefferson retired over the weekend. Must've just been hanging on for the challenge of carrying LeBron every year  ;)

Kinda surprised to learn he never actually made an All-Star team, he had star-caliber numbers from about 03-08.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: fairweatherfan on October 15, 2018, 03:58:07 PM
Looks like Myles Turner just got a 4 year/$80 million contract extension, per Shams.

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1051921377987579904 (https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1051921377987579904)

That's like Terry Rozier money!
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: gouki88 on October 15, 2018, 04:37:47 PM
Looks like Myles Turner just got a 4 year/$80 million contract extension, per Shams.

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1051921377987579904 (https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1051921377987579904)

That's like Terry Rozier money!
If I’m the Pacers I like that deal for Turner. He’s still only 22 and is yet to make the jump into borderline All-Star big that I think he’s capable of, but if he does $20m a year is a steal
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Moranis on October 15, 2018, 04:48:41 PM
Looks like Myles Turner just got a 4 year/$80 million contract extension, per Shams.

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1051921377987579904 (https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1051921377987579904)

That's like Terry Rozier money!
If I’m the Pacers I like that deal for Turner. He’s still only 22 and is yet to make the jump into borderline All-Star big that I think he’s capable of, but if he does $20m a year is a steal
Sure, but he also regressed from year 2 to year 3 and his current value is worth no where near 20 million a year, so he had better improve or the Pacers will regret the contract.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: gouki88 on October 15, 2018, 05:01:37 PM
Looks like Myles Turner just got a 4 year/$80 million contract extension, per Shams.

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1051921377987579904 (https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1051921377987579904)

That's like Terry Rozier money!
If I’m the Pacers I like that deal for Turner. He’s still only 22 and is yet to make the jump into borderline All-Star big that I think he’s capable of, but if he does $20m a year is a steal
Sure, but he also regressed from year 2 to year 3 and his current value is worth no where near 20 million a year, so he had better improve or the Pacers will regret the contract.
I don't think he really regressed, he just got hurt and got less minutes while McMillan tried to figure out a) how to run their offence without PG13 (an issue that solved itself quickly) and b) how to get Turner, Sabonis and Thad Young to coexist.
I think when his minutes return to 30+ he'll average around 15/8/2.5
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: fairweatherfan on October 15, 2018, 05:22:13 PM
Looks like Myles Turner just got a 4 year/$80 million contract extension, per Shams.

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1051921377987579904 (https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1051921377987579904)

That's like Terry Rozier money!
If I’m the Pacers I like that deal for Turner. He’s still only 22 and is yet to make the jump into borderline All-Star big that I think he’s capable of, but if he does $20m a year is a steal
Sure, but he also regressed from year 2 to year 3 and his current value is worth no where near 20 million a year, so he had better improve or the Pacers will regret the contract.

Small market teams gotta pay small market premiums to keep their guys. I think it's at least fair to say Turner has $20 million talent, but whether he gets there, and whether his red flags for health catch up to him, are gonna be the big question.


Larry Nance Jr. also just signed a 4 yr/$45 million extension. Seems like decent value for a young role player type.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: tazzmaniac on October 15, 2018, 05:57:00 PM
Looks like Myles Turner just got a 4 year/$80 million contract extension, per Shams.

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1051921377987579904 (https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1051921377987579904)

That's like Terry Rozier money!
ESPN has it at 4yr/72M that can rise to 80M with incentives. 
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: fairweatherfan on October 16, 2018, 03:32:10 PM
Looks like Myles Turner just got a 4 year/$80 million contract extension, per Shams.

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1051921377987579904 (https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1051921377987579904)

That's like Terry Rozier money!
ESPN has it at 4yr/72M that can rise to 80M with incentives.

Yeah I saw that later. So not even Terry Rozier money, just Evan Turner money  :D
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Moranis on October 17, 2018, 09:23:00 AM
Looks like Myles Turner just got a 4 year/$80 million contract extension, per Shams.

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1051921377987579904 (https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1051921377987579904)

That's like Terry Rozier money!
If I’m the Pacers I like that deal for Turner. He’s still only 22 and is yet to make the jump into borderline All-Star big that I think he’s capable of, but if he does $20m a year is a steal
Sure, but he also regressed from year 2 to year 3 and his current value is worth no where near 20 million a year, so he had better improve or the Pacers will regret the contract.

Small market teams gotta pay small market premiums to keep their guys. I think it's at least fair to say Turner has $20 million talent, but whether he gets there, and whether his red flags for health catch up to him, are gonna be the big question.


Larry Nance Jr. also just signed a 4 yr/$45 million extension. Seems like decent value for a young role player type.
Yeah, Nance is a good signing.  Turner certainly has more potential than Nance, but I don't see it as nearly double.  Something like 4 years, 60-65 million seemed about right for Turner.  Small markets may have to pay a premium, but they can't overpay either as it kills their flexibility if they get it wrong and they can't really make it up. 
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: Moranis on October 17, 2018, 09:27:07 AM
Looks like Myles Turner just got a 4 year/$80 million contract extension, per Shams.

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1051921377987579904 (https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1051921377987579904)

That's like Terry Rozier money!
If I’m the Pacers I like that deal for Turner. He’s still only 22 and is yet to make the jump into borderline All-Star big that I think he’s capable of, but if he does $20m a year is a steal
Sure, but he also regressed from year 2 to year 3 and his current value is worth no where near 20 million a year, so he had better improve or the Pacers will regret the contract.
I don't think he really regressed, he just got hurt and got less minutes while McMillan tried to figure out a) how to run their offence without PG13 (an issue that solved itself quickly) and b) how to get Turner, Sabonis and Thad Young to coexist.
I think when his minutes return to 30+ he'll average around 15/8/2.5
He averaged over 28 mpg last year.  It wasn't like he barely played.  His per minute production was down basically across the board (not significantly down, but still down).  That generally isn't a good sign for a player going from year 2 to year 3, especially when all of the cumulative stats were also down i.e. BPM, VORP, PER, ORTG, DRTG, etc.  The one positive was nearly doubling his 3 point attempts and increasing his 3 PT%. 

Turner has potential no question and if he lives up to it, then his contract won't be a killer, but there are clear signs that he may not live up to his potential and if he doesn't, the Pacers have seriously overpaid and that could be devastating to them from a cap perspective.
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: rondofan1255 on October 30, 2018, 01:13:38 PM
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Detroit Pistons will decline the fourth-year option of forward Henry Ellenson, league sources tell Yahoo Sports. The No. 18th pick in the 2016 Draft will become an unrestricted free agent in July.

https://twitter.com/chrisbhaynes/status/1057319330151428096?s=21

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Thunder Exercises Option on Terrance Ferguson

https://twitter.com/okcthunder/status/1056955044350832640?s=21

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Warriors exercise fourth-year contract option on center Damian Jones

https://twitter.com/WarriorsPR/status/1057336480849387520

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Milwaukee Bucks will pick up the third-year option on forward D.J. Wilson, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.

https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/1057350444761067520

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The Minnesota Timberwolves are declining center Justin Patton’s third-year team option, league sources tell me and @JonKrawczynski.

https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/1057674623666585602?s=21
Title: Re: Summer 2018 verified moves
Post by: MattyIce on November 28, 2018, 06:25:23 PM
Cleveland has traded Kyle Korver to Utah, league sources tell ESPN.