Interesting trade idea?

[gouki88]

Some people here wouldn’t trade Hayward unless it was for Embiid or Giannis

Rather try and trade up than trade him for TT and the corpse of Iggy.

People here just want to trade because it’s been a rough 3 weeks, as if their ideas are actually helpful.

[LilRip]

I don't give a lot of these Hayward trades any credence because I think you guys aren't figuring some important things into your equations.

1. Hayward's problems with the nerves in his previously broken foot are now out and when coupled with his play since coming back from his cortisone shots, means his trade stock has dropped precipitously. I am sure every GM Danny offers up Gordon to is asking their medical teams if Hayward's problems could be long term and if they don't get good answers, this drops Hayward's value more.

2. Teams really don't know if they are going to owe Hayward $15 million on an expiring contract or $49 million over a season and a half. Now some teams might not care, but most will. This tightens up your market and again drops Hayward's value.

3. This reduction in trade value of Hayward more than likely means, if someone is willing to take Hayward on, they now will want more draft capital to make up the value difference.

Maybe Cleveland would take Gordo to dump Love's salary. Clearly, they won't care about these things as to them, they are still saving tremendous amounts of long term money. But, does anyone here want Love's lack of defense and his 3.5 year/$105 million contract, a contract that makes you pay him in his 32-34 year old seasons?

Not sure what other teams won't care about how long Hayward is on their books, for how much and how good he will be during that time, just to get out from under a contract or get something of value because that team may lose one of their players to free agency.

TP

Hayward isn’t some all star prospect anymore. He’s a super solid player who makes the max and (imo) is our 4th best player behind Kemba-Jaylen-Jayson. You don’t trade him for nothing but I think people need to temper what kind of return you’re getting for Hayward.

Hypothetically, if we had cap space for a max player, would people here be on board signing Hayward to a 2 year max deal?

I'd rather have Hayward as our 4th best player than Drumond.  Drummond is only making 5M less that Hayward which won't make a difference.

Didn’t even mention Drummond in my post but ok

[LilRip]

Some people here wouldn’t trade Hayward unless it was for Embiid or Giannis

Rather try and trade up than trade him for TT and the corpse of Iggy.

People here just want to trade because it’s been a rough 3 weeks, as if their ideas are actually helpful.

Lol I hope we successfully trade up then 

[gouki88]

Some people here wouldn’t trade Hayward unless it was for Embiid or Giannis

Rather try and trade up than trade him for TT and the corpse of Iggy.

People here just want to trade because it’s been a rough 3 weeks, as if their ideas are actually helpful.

Lol I hope we successfully trade up then 

That's fair, it's just unlikely because there isn't a big trade market right now, and Hayward's value is very variable.

[Sophomore]

I almost forgot two more points of comparison.

1. Drummond is a terrible free-throw shooter, which makes him hard to leave in at crunch time.

2. Enes this year is much more efficient on offense.

What's the appeal of adding a less-skilled-on-offense Kanter II to the roster?

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_select=Andre+Drummond&y1=2020&player_id1=drumman01&idx=players&player_id2_hint=Enes+Kanter&player_id2_select=Enes+Kanter&y2=2020&player_id2=kanteen01&idx=players

I agree. There is just absolutely no way in the world Danny would ever trade for Drummond while he has Kanter on the roster (and should be able to sign him at 120% at what he's making now or, at the very worst, the MLE).

I like Drummond, but he makes absolutely no sense as the type of big we need in our system. Heck, Kanter is excellent at what he does (inside scoring, rebounding) and he doesn't even start. I maintain that Hayward and Kanter is better than having Drummond and Kanter.

Drummond is better than Kanter at blocking shots and is more mobile than Kanter.

Go to the player comparison at the link. Their per-36 number on blocks is nearly the same - 1.9 - 1.7. Again, I watched him closely when we played Detroit. He provided almost zero deterrent at the rim. Not close to a Turner or Lopez or Embiid.

Look at the other numbers, where he’s clearly worse. Like TS%. Or turnovers - 3.5 - 1 per 36.

Maybe maybe he’s a mild upgrade on Kanter.

[LilRip]

Some people here wouldn’t trade Hayward unless it was for Embiid or Giannis

Rather try and trade up than trade him for TT and the corpse of Iggy.

People here just want to trade because it’s been a rough 3 weeks, as if their ideas are actually helpful.

Lol I hope we successfully trade up then 

That's fair, it's just unlikely because there isn't a big trade market right now, and Hayward's value is very variable.

That’s an interesting way of putting it. I, on the other hand, don’t think Hayward (even pre-injury Hayward) could’ve netted you either Embiid or Giannis right now.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

One idea I haven't seen is Valanciunas and Iggy for Hayward and Poirier.

Iggy is an ideal low usage/distributor/defender that could play next to our other wings. Valanciunas gives us a starting center.

[MichiganAdam]

I am all for a marginal upgrade IF one of the top 5 is NOT included.  For a MS or GH to be included there needs to be a clear upgrade and a younger player, think Sabonis, Miles turner type.  We want the team clearly better if a core 5 is being moved, aand can't epect much more than a marginal upgrade if one of the 5 is not moved.  THere are not minutes available to make it a big 6 anyhow.

[Celtics4ever]

Hayward and a pick or two for Thompson and Nance Jr.?

[Moranis]

Hayward and a pick or two for Thompson and Nance Jr.?

I don't see the point in both of them and frankly, I'm not sure what the point in either is.  Boston isn't a contender post trade and I don't think Thompson or Nance would be on the team long term (though at least Nance is signed long term, but how many 10+ million role players does the team need). 

If Boston trades Hayward it should be for a real legit star or players that you realistically think compliment Tatum and Brown long term.

[tazzmaniac]

I don't give a lot of these Hayward trades any credence because I think you guys aren't figuring some important things into your equations.

1. Hayward's problems with the nerves in his previously broken foot are now out and when coupled with his play since coming back from his cortisone shots, means his trade stock has dropped precipitously. I am sure every GM Danny offers up Gordon to is asking their medical teams if Hayward's problems could be long term and if they don't get good answers, this drops Hayward's value more.

2. Teams really don't know if they are going to owe Hayward $15 million on an expiring contract or $49 million over a season and a half. Now some teams might not care, but most will. This tightens up your market and again drops Hayward's value.

3. This reduction in trade value of Hayward more than likely means, if someone is willing to take Hayward on, they now will want more draft capital to make up the value difference.

Maybe Cleveland would take Gordo to dump Love's salary. Clearly, they won't care about these things as to them, they are still saving tremendous amounts of long term money. But, does anyone here want Love's lack of defense and his 3.5 year/$105 million contract, a contract that makes you pay him in his 32-34 year old seasons?

Not sure what other teams won't care about how long Hayward is on their books, for how much and how good he will be during that time, just to get out from under a contract or get something of value because that team may lose one of their players to free agency.

TP

Hayward isn’t some all star prospect anymore. He’s a super solid player who makes the max and (imo) is our 4th best player behind Kemba-Jaylen-Jayson. You don’t trade him for nothing but I think people need to temper what kind of return you’re getting for Hayward.

Hypothetically, if we had cap space for a max player, would people here be on board signing Hayward to a 2 year max deal?

I'd rather have Hayward as our 4th best player than Drumond.  Drummond is only making 5M less that Hayward which won't make a difference.

Didn’t even mention Drummond in my post but ok

This thread started with a trade idea for Drummond so I just assumed.  Sorry.  Who do you want to trade him for?

[Birdman]

Ainge won’t trade Hayward after what he been thru..remember what ppl said when he traded Thomas

[Sophomore]

One idea I haven't seen is Valanciunas and Iggy for Hayward and Poirier. 

Iggy is an ideal low usage/distributor/defender that could play next to our other wings. Valanciunas gives us a starting center.

Memphis won’t trade V. They’re going to the playoffs and he’s a big part of it.

[CFAN38]

I hadn't seen this one before but it makes some sense for all three teams...

"NBA Rumors: Andre Drummond To Celtics, Gordon Hayward To Mavericks In A Proposed Three-Team Trade"

https://fadeawayworld.net/2020/01/19/nba-rumors-andre-drummond-to-celtics-gordon-hayward-to-mavericks-in-a-proposed-three-team-trade/

This seems like less of a rumor and more of a speculative trade to create conversation.

Why would the Pistons do this trade? They get nothing in return that helps them build toward the future or put people in the seats.