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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: gpap on February 09, 2013, 09:15:51 PM
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http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/226031/Exec-Hornets-Entertaining-Trade-Talks-For-Eric-Gordon
I know Gordon has been injury prone the last couple years, however has great numbers for a shooting guard.
His career average is 18 ppg. Apparently NO thought he was worthy of a max deal, but it sounds like he doesn't want to be there.
Just gauging thoughts on him as a player?
Seeing how NO is going anywhere this year, I wonder if they'd consider dealing us Gordon for 3 future years of Rondo (imagine Rondo/Davis in the fast break.)
See below
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=azdl3dt
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His injuries really scare me.
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His injuries really scare me.
Yeah, they scare me too. However, I wonder if he was also "milking" the injuries to avoid putting on a Hornets jersey (lol.)
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Not giving up Rondo for Eric Gordon.
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For Rondo, no. But for Bradley, Bass, and a pick I'd do it. If we are looking to next year and beyond, getting Gordon to play with Rondo, Sullinger and Green is a good start.
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No thanks. I like players that can string 20 games together.
Carry on.
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Actually, I like this deal even better
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ad6msdf
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EGor is a binky of mine, but I think I'd prefer to enjoy his game from afar. I just don't trust him to stay healthy.
He'd be a top 10-15 player in the league if he could string a few healthy seasons together, though. Really talented.
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So they gave up Chris Paul for this guy?
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This guy is a very talented player. He just doesn't want to stay on the Hornets. Can you blame him?
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This guy is a very talented player. He just doesn't want to stay on the Hornets. Can you blame him?
Don't look now, but they have some nice talent on that team. Ryan Anderson is a good player. Davis is a great prospect, Vasquez has had a breakout year, and Aminu has improved a lot. Lopez is a solid roleplayer.
Good young team who could get very dangerous in two or three years if Gordon sticks around and they add some more quality depth.
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If we wanted to solidify our playoff push this year we could set up this trade:
BOS trades:
Rondo
Jason Terry
Brandon Bass
New Orleans Trades:
Eric Gordon
Austin Rivers
Ryan Andersen
Gordon clearly hates playing for the Hornets. I think NO is aware, and wants to move him to get SOMETHING legit, considering they let CP3 go to get him.
Rondo is hurt for this playoff push, so this trade allows us to add another superstar in Gordon for RIGHT now, as well as Ryan Andersen, who can spread the floor and do most everything Bass does for this team.
Doc is reunited with his son to coach him.......hard to tell if this is a huge sticking point for New Orleans or not, because so far, Austin hasn't been playing all that great.
I'm comfortable with a Bradley/Lee/Rivers PG rotation. Gordon will dominate most of the SG minutes, and between Lee/Gordon/Green/PP/Andersen/KG, we will have a wide range of shooters to spread the floor all game
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Yup, I was thinking along the same lines
Only difference is I would deal Rondo, Lee and Bass for E Gordon and R Anderson.
We get two very good players who can help for now and the future and New Orleans get a superstar for the future in Rondo and two younger but decent pieces in Bass and Courtney Lee.
I think Terry might be a bit too old for NO's liking.
As for Austin, I say just keep Bradley. I think Doc and his son on the same team might be a little awkward
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I think his most likely destination is either Phoenix in a three way using Gortat and Dudley or to Indiana for Granger.
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Yup, I was thinking along the same lines
Only difference is I would deal Rondo, Lee and Bass for E Gordon and R Anderson.
We get two very good players who can help for now and the future and New Orleans get a superstar for the future in Rondo and two younger but decent pieces in Bass and Courtney Lee.
I think Terry might be a bit too old for NO's liking.
As for Austin, I say just keep Bradley. I think Doc and his son on the same team might be a little awkward
True, true about Rivers. And I could see how Terry would actually be more valuable to the C's in this scenario because he runs a truer PG game compared to Lee, when Bradley is on the bench.
Bradley/Gordon/PP/Andersen/KG
rotation of Terry/Green/Barbosa/Wilcox
I just started to drool over that thought. That rotation is definitely missing a rebounding machine with size and defense, but totally a Miami killer.
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I would take him right now. If we could do something like Bradley/Bass/Melo and our pick for him. I would do it. Would be a pretty sweet team. Would need to sign some vets though. But Gordon would be a great part of the future. Pure scorer. Injuries are kinda scary though.
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Thoughts re silly since they matched Phoenix's offer to keep him long term. Why trade him? Poor management here...
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Thoughts re silly since they matched Phoenix's offer to keep him long term. Why trade him? Poor management here...
If they didn't match Phoenix's offer he would have walked for nothing. Now they can trade him to the highest bidder and get a good return for him.
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Too injury prone to consider giving up some real assets for him, even if the potential is there for him to be great for us.
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injury prone and overrated by a mile. too small and frail........also a sulker .......bad mojo ...not on the Celtics thank you.
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My thoughts are..... We need a BIG!
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Thoughts re silly since they matched Phoenix's offer to keep him long term. Why trade him? Poor management here...
If they didn't match Phoenix's offer he would have walked for nothing. Now they can trade him to the highest bidder and get a good return for him.
Nobody wants him anymore imo
He is a waste if time with all them injuries
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Yeah no. Pass big time. Too injury prone. Hasnt proved anything in this league to be worthy of a max contract. And trade Rondo for him? Ha.
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Pass
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Damaged goods.
Pass.
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I don''t understand all these "damaged goods" posts. He's young and he recovered from his injuries.
Are Rondo and Sullinger damaged goods? Rose? Kevin Love? Rubio? Heck, Rudy Gay missed a year with knee surgery too, he looks great.
You have to buy low on star players. If he's available for a discount we should do it.
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Would the Celtics be a title contender this year with Eric Gordon here instead of Rondo?
Straight swap.
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Would the Celtics be a title contender this year with Eric Gordon here instead of Rondo?
Straight swap.
No. But they would be with a good BIG
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Would the Celtics be a title contender this year with Eric Gordon here instead of Rondo?
Straight swap.
No. But they would be with a good BIG
We're better without Rondo than with Eric Gordon.
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I don''t understand all these "damaged goods" posts. He's young and he recovered from his injuries.
Are Rondo and Sullinger damaged goods? Rose? Kevin Love? Rubio? Heck, Rudy Gay missed a year with knee surgery too, he looks great.
You have to buy low on star players. If he's available for a discount we should do it.
I think people are calling him damaged goods due to him always getting injured, not just because of the last injury he got. With that said I pass.
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Would the Celtics be a title contender this year with Eric Gordon here instead of Rondo?
Straight swap.
New lineup
PG: A.Bradley, Terry, Barbosa
SG: E.Gordon, C.Lee
SF: P.Pierce, J.Green
PF: B.Bass, C.Wilcox
C: K.Garnett, (Kenyon Martin), Jason Collins
Eric Gordon would give this team some much needed shot-creation and firepower offensively. A guy who can create off the dribble, get to the rim, draw fouls and nail long jump-shots at a high level. A genuine 20-25ppg threat. Has turned himself into a good passer and strong pick and roll threat.
A nice 1-2 scoring punch on the wing with Eric Gordon and Paul Pierce together on the wing. Plus, Garnett's offensive value as facilitator (high post shooting and passing) and sometimes shot-creator at center. A couple of offensively capable role players in Jason Terry, Jeff Green, Leandro Barbosa and Brandon Bass.
Eric Gordon is a good (but unexceptional) defensive player. He would be able to contribute about as much defensively as Courtney Lee can. Very good defensive player on chief rival D-Wade -- E.Gordon's lateral quickness and physical strength is very strong, very good at fighting off D-Wade's dribble drive game.
Is that team capable of winning a Championship?
I think it might be. It would have the defense and the offense needed to a win a title. Still a bit worried about the possession creation but, that team would be so good offensively and defensively, they might be able to work around that.
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Would the Celtics be a title contender this year with Eric Gordon here instead of Rondo?
Straight swap.
No. But they would be with a good BIG
We're better without Rondo than with Eric Gordon.
You think Eric Gordon would hurt this team? How?
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I don''t understand all these "damaged goods" posts. He's young and he recovered from his injuries.
Are Rondo and Sullinger damaged goods? Rose? Kevin Love? Rubio? Heck, Rudy Gay missed a year with knee surgery too, he looks great.
You have to buy low on star players. If he's available for a discount we should do it.
I think people are calling him damaged goods due to him always getting injured, not just because of the last injury he got. With that said I pass.
Well, so far in his career, Bradley is always getting injured too. Should we dump him?
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Would the Celtics be a title contender this year with Eric Gordon here instead of Rondo?
Straight swap.
New lineup
PG: A.Bradley, Terry, Barbosa
SG: E.Gordon, C.Lee
SF: P.Pierce, J.Green
PF: B.Bass, C.Wilcox
C: K.Garnett, (Kenyon Martin), Jason Collins
Eric Gordon would give this team some much needed shot-creation and firepower offensively. A guy who can create off the dribble, get to the rim, draw fouls and nail long jump-shots at a high level. A genuine 20-25ppg threat. Has turned himself into a good passer and strong pick and roll threat.
A nice 1-2 scoring punch on the wing with Eric Gordon and Paul Pierce together on the wing. Plus, Garnett's offensive value as facilitator (high post shooting and passing) and sometimes shot-creator at center. A couple of offensively capable role players in Jason Terry, Jeff Green, Leandro Barbosa and Brandon Bass.
Eric Gordon is a good (but unexceptional) defensive player. He would be able to contribute about as much defensively as Courtney Lee can. Very good defensive player on chief rival D-Wade -- E.Gordon's lateral quickness and physical strength is very strong, very good at fighting off D-Wade's dribble drive game.
Is that team capable of winning a Championship?
I think it might be. It would have the defense and the offense needed to a win a title. Still a bit worried about the possession creation but, that team would be so good offensively and defensively, they might be able to work around that.
I think you're either overrating Gordon or underrating Lee if you think Gordon can contribute what Lee can defensively. Lee gave Wade a very difficult time in the two games against Miami I've watched so far when he was assigned to him. A much harder time than most players give him.
As for the offense, there's no question that he would bring more offensive firepower to the team. But we can't run a high post offense through KG and pick and roll through Gordon at the same time. Adding him would be good, but our net value wouldn't be just adding Gordon, because I think the ball in his hands would detract from the offensive games we've seen lately from KG, Terry, Barbosa, and Green. Also Lee as well due to the sheer decrease in minutes. Net gain still, but just not as much as it might appear on the surface.
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I don''t understand all these "damaged goods" posts. He's young and he recovered from his injuries.
Are Rondo and Sullinger damaged goods? Rose? Kevin Love? Rubio? Heck, Rudy Gay missed a year with knee surgery too, he looks great.
You have to buy low on star players. If he's available for a discount we should do it.
I think people are calling him damaged goods due to him always getting injured, not just because of the last injury he got. With that said I pass.
Well, so far in his career, Bradley is always getting injured too. Should we dump him?
We should if he's on a massive contract.
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I don''t understand all these "damaged goods" posts. He's young and he recovered from his injuries.
Are Rondo and Sullinger damaged goods? Rose? Kevin Love? Rubio? Heck, Rudy Gay missed a year with knee surgery too, he looks great.
You have to buy low on star players. If he's available for a discount we should do it.
I think people are calling him damaged goods due to him always getting injured, not just because of the last injury he got. With that said I pass.
Well, so far in his career, Bradley is always getting injured too. Should we dump him?
We should if he's on a massive contract.
well, he will want one soon enough.
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Would the Celtics be a title contender this year with Eric Gordon here instead of Rondo?
Straight swap.
No. But they would be with a good BIG
We're better without Rondo than with Eric Gordon.
You think Eric Gordon would hurt this team? How?
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I don''t understand all these "damaged goods" posts. He's young and he recovered from his injuries.
Are Rondo and Sullinger damaged goods? Rose? Kevin Love? Rubio? Heck, Rudy Gay missed a year with knee surgery too, he looks great.
You have to buy low on star players. If he's available for a discount we should do it.
I think people are calling him damaged goods due to him always getting injured, not just because of the last injury he got. With that said I pass.
Well, so far in his career, Bradley is always getting injured too. Should we dump him?
We should if he's on a massive contract.
well, he will want one soon enough.
I don't know whether that's really the case. Do you really think that teams will pay that much of a premium for what he brings to a team?
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I don''t understand all these "damaged goods" posts. He's young and he recovered from his injuries.
Are Rondo and Sullinger damaged goods? Rose? Kevin Love? Rubio? Heck, Rudy Gay missed a year with knee surgery too, he looks great.
You have to buy low on star players. If he's available for a discount we should do it.
I think people are calling him damaged goods due to him always getting injured, not just because of the last injury he got. With that said I pass.
Well, so far in his career, Bradley is always getting injured too. Should we dump him?
We should if he's on a massive contract.
well, he will want one soon enough.
I don't know whether that's really the case. Do you really think that teams will pay that much of a premium for what he brings to a team?
Once he boosts his scoring next year, if he can make it through next year without a major injury, his agent will do the necessary work of landing him a great deal, as I'm sure both Bradley and his agent know that the next contract might end up being his last if he goes down with a major injury the way he plays.
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For Rondo, no. But for Bradley, Bass, and a pick I'd do it. If we are looking to next year and beyond, getting Gordon to play with Rondo, Sullinger and Green is a good start.
I would Give up Rondo long before I'd give up Bradley.
Our team defense has improved back to an elite level ever since literally the day Bradley came back. Initially you can argue about small sample sizes but we've played probably just under 20 games since he came back and our defense turned elite instantly since that day.
On the other hand there hasn't been a single area where we've been impacted as badly with Rondo in versus him being out. Our offense has been just as good with him out, but our defense has been better.
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That said, still not sure if I'd do this deal.
NO would probably love it because they have been a terrible team ever since they lost their old star PG (Paul) so they'd probably see it as a chance to go back to those days.
Gordon is a VERY good scorer and possibly the one that we need...but just not sure if he'd fit in. I guess is probably take the gamble, but you'd need to throw Barnosa in the deal too because signing if Gordon woul take him back to being a bench warmer, which he wasn't happy about. You'd also need to bring him off the bench if you want to keep this elite AB+Lee defense we've been enjoying lately, as I really don't want to break that up. Would Gordon be willing to come off the bench, and would we want pay max co tract jk eh to a guy who's coming off the bench?
If nothing else Gordon is an excellent trade chip, and he because of he's scoring prowess he's probably more suitable to build around tun Rondo is at this stage.
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For Rondo, no. But for Bradley, Bass, and a pick I'd do it. If we are looking to next year and beyond, getting Gordon to play with Rondo, Sullinger and Green is a good start.
I would Give up Rondo long before I'd give up Bradley.
Our team defense has improved back to an elite level ever since literally the day Bradley came back. Initially you can argue about small sample sizes but we've played probably just under 20 games since he came back and our defense turned elite instantly since that day.
On the other hand there hasn't been a single area where we've been impacted as badly with Rondo in versus him being out. Our offense has been just as good with him out, but our defense has been better.
and here's another vote for support of the idea that Bradley will get a big payday somewhere...
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Would the Celtics be a title contender this year with Eric Gordon here instead of Rondo?
Straight swap.
New lineup
PG: A.Bradley, Terry, Barbosa
SG: E.Gordon, C.Lee
SF: P.Pierce, J.Green
PF: B.Bass, C.Wilcox
C: K.Garnett, (Kenyon Martin), Jason Collins
Eric Gordon would give this team some much needed shot-creation and firepower offensively. A guy who can create off the dribble, get to the rim, draw fouls and nail long jump-shots at a high level. A genuine 20-25ppg threat. Has turned himself into a good passer and strong pick and roll threat.
A nice 1-2 scoring punch on the wing with Eric Gordon and Paul Pierce together on the wing. Plus, Garnett's offensive value as facilitator (high post shooting and passing) and sometimes shot-creator at center. A couple of offensively capable role players in Jason Terry, Jeff Green, Leandro Barbosa and Brandon Bass.
Eric Gordon is a good (but unexceptional) defensive player. He would be able to contribute about as much defensively as Courtney Lee can. Very good defensive player on chief rival D-Wade -- E.Gordon's lateral quickness and physical strength is very strong, very good at fighting off D-Wade's dribble drive game.
Is that team capable of winning a Championship?
I think it might be. It would have the defense and the offense needed to a win a title. Still a bit worried about the possession creation but, that team would be so good offensively and defensively, they might be able to work around that.
I already consider the Celtics a title contender, so the mere addition of Gordon would be icing on the cake as far as title chances go this year. Might be worth the gamble despite my aversion to give real assets for him due to his injury problems. Considering that Rondo just got his ACL issue, a swap between this two lessens the injury concern all told.
What about in addition to this swap, you can get a Bass and Robin Lopez swap? Maybe include Melo, or a pick or whatever to make it happen if need be.
PG: A.Bradley, Terry, Barbosa
SG: E.Gordon, C.Lee
SF: P.Pierce, J.Green
PF: K.Garnett, (Kenyon Martin)
C: R.Lopez, C.Wilcox, Jason Collins
That's some some serious offensive/defensive power in this team, and young too, and improved rebounding and length. And you can practically have this team for the next 3 years... and Sully later.
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For Rondo, no. But for Bradley, Bass, and a pick I'd do it. If we are looking to next year and beyond, getting Gordon to play with Rondo, Sullinger and Green is a good start.
I would Give up Rondo long before I'd give up Bradley.
Our team defense has improved back to an elite level ever since literally the day Bradley came back. Initially you can argue about small sample sizes but we've played probably just under 20 games since he came back and our defense turned elite instantly since that day.
On the other hand there hasn't been a single area where we've been impacted as badly with Rondo in versus him being out. Our offense has been just as good with him out, but our defense has been better.
First of all, you're basing your entire evaluation of Rondo on extremely noisy statistics over a shortish stretch of time where he's on a streaky team and he's not really playing his best. It's like you never saw the team play in your life before this December. Secondly, for all your talk about Bradley's impact, let me know when he has the positive impact on a playoff series as great as Rondo has had on many playoff series.
Oh, and for the record, based on the latest wonderful on/off numbers, our defense with Bradley is pretty much identical to our defense without Bradley, so I guess we can scratch him from the list of players that have an impact on defense. And, while the team has (this year) played better with Rondo on the bench than Bradley on the bench, we've also played better with Rondo on the court than we have with Bradley on the court.
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Would the Celtics be a title contender this year with Eric Gordon here instead of Rondo?
Straight swap.
New lineup
PG: A.Bradley, Terry, Barbosa
SG: E.Gordon, C.Lee
SF: P.Pierce, J.Green
PF: B.Bass, C.Wilcox
C: K.Garnett, (Kenyon Martin), Jason Collins
Eric Gordon would give this team some much needed shot-creation and firepower offensively. A guy who can create off the dribble, get to the rim, draw fouls and nail long jump-shots at a high level. A genuine 20-25ppg threat. Has turned himself into a good passer and strong pick and roll threat.
A nice 1-2 scoring punch on the wing with Eric Gordon and Paul Pierce together on the wing. Plus, Garnett's offensive value as facilitator (high post shooting and passing) and sometimes shot-creator at center. A couple of offensively capable role players in Jason Terry, Jeff Green, Leandro Barbosa and Brandon Bass.
Eric Gordon is a good (but unexceptional) defensive player. He would be able to contribute about as much defensively as Courtney Lee can. Very good defensive player on chief rival D-Wade -- E.Gordon's lateral quickness and physical strength is very strong, very good at fighting off D-Wade's dribble drive game.
Is that team capable of winning a Championship?
I think it might be. It would have the defense and the offense needed to a win a title. Still a bit worried about the possession creation but, that team would be so good offensively and defensively, they might be able to work around that.
I already consider the Celtics a title contender
Meaning that you'd be surprised that, barring major injury issues, you'd be fairly surprised if we didn't at least come close to winning the ECF?
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Would the Celtics be a title contender this year with Eric Gordon here instead of Rondo?
Straight swap.
New lineup
PG: A.Bradley, Terry, Barbosa
SG: E.Gordon, C.Lee
SF: P.Pierce, J.Green
PF: B.Bass, C.Wilcox
C: K.Garnett, (Kenyon Martin), Jason Collins
Eric Gordon would give this team some much needed shot-creation and firepower offensively. A guy who can create off the dribble, get to the rim, draw fouls and nail long jump-shots at a high level. A genuine 20-25ppg threat. Has turned himself into a good passer and strong pick and roll threat.
A nice 1-2 scoring punch on the wing with Eric Gordon and Paul Pierce together on the wing. Plus, Garnett's offensive value as facilitator (high post shooting and passing) and sometimes shot-creator at center. A couple of offensively capable role players in Jason Terry, Jeff Green, Leandro Barbosa and Brandon Bass.
Eric Gordon is a good (but unexceptional) defensive player. He would be able to contribute about as much defensively as Courtney Lee can. Very good defensive player on chief rival D-Wade -- E.Gordon's lateral quickness and physical strength is very strong, very good at fighting off D-Wade's dribble drive game.
Is that team capable of winning a Championship?
I think it might be. It would have the defense and the offense needed to a win a title. Still a bit worried about the possession creation but, that team would be so good offensively and defensively, they might be able to work around that.
I already consider the Celtics a title contender
Meaning that you'd be surprised that, barring major injury issues, you'd be fairly surprised if we didn't at least come close to winning the ECF?
I just don't evaluate these issues by how far in the playoffs we go. If we meet a bad match-up in the first round, and we lose, well that's that. And in the scheme of things would be disappointed we didn't go further.
What I'd be surprised though if this team is an easy out against anyone. I wouldn't be surprised if by chance we completely dominate the competition.
I'm more concerned if we perform well or not, I'll worry about how I feel about the results later.
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I think you're either overrating Gordon or underrating Lee if you think Gordon can contribute what Lee can defensively. Lee gave Wade a very difficult time in the two games against Miami I've watched so far when he was assigned to him. A much harder time than most players give him.
On Eric Gordon's defense ...
Watch Eric Gordon play defense on D-Wade sometime. He will surprise you. He is very effective defensively against D-Wade.
Overall, Gordon is a good but unexceptional defender but that is too simple a summary. It doesn't describe him well enough. Eric Gordon has very specific strengths and weaknesses and can vary between extremely effective defensively to a weak defender (liability) depending on the matchup.
His limitations defensively revolve around his lack of height / length and how he can be vulnerable to bigger two guards who can shoot over the top of him (especially post up guards) ... but Eric Gordon also has absolutely top notch lateral quickness (combined with impressive physical strength) and is one of the best in the league at his position at denying dribble penetration.
Eric Gordon is extremely effective at guarding an attacker of D-Wade's ilk. A fellow undersized two guard who doesn't have the size to take advantage of Gordon's defensive limitations + a player who (Wade) relies on explosive quickness and dribble penetration to create most of his offense + is not the strongest jump-shooter. This is exactly the type of player that Eric Gordon can really get under the skin.
Now, Joe Johnson in Brooklyn. That is trickier. JJ has the size to abuse E.Gordon as much as he wants down in the post (plus can shoot over the top from distance) and there is very little Gordon can do about it. That is the only matchup in the East playoff picture that I can think of that would cause Gordon problems. Chicago (Rip Hamilton), New York (Kidd, JR Smith), Indiana (Paul George), Atlanta (Korver, Harris) and Milwaukee (Monta Ellis).