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Re: Trade Irving for the sake of the team
« Reply #405 on: January 26, 2019, 11:53:12 PM »

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Trade Irving for Kuzma, Hart and 1st

This team as constructed cant beat the GSW.

Develop the "future" .... not put all eggs in one basket (Irving) and risk alienating several others

I'd rather trade Brown or Tatum for Anthony Davis. That future sounds much, much better to me.

Davis and Irving cant beat the GSW
It has an almost infinitely higher chance than the team you proposed. If Irving and Al nearly did tonight, then I'm pretty happy to go with Irving, AD and Al, plus GH and some young pieces

You cant have all you listed under one team

Nice try

Why not?

Horford
Davis
Hayward
Brown
Irving

We'd lose some depth, but depth is overrated.  I like that better than:

Hayward
Tatum
Kuzma
Brown
Rozier


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Re: Trade Irving for the sake of the team
« Reply #406 on: January 26, 2019, 11:54:02 PM »

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Trade Irving for Kuzma, Hart and 1st

This team as constructed cant beat the GSW.

Develop the "future" .... not put all eggs in one basket (Irving) and risk alienating several others

I'd rather trade Brown or Tatum for Anthony Davis. That future sounds much, much better to me.

Davis and Irving cant beat the GSW
It has an almost infinitely higher chance than the team you proposed. If Irving and Al nearly did tonight, then I'm pretty happy to go with Irving, AD and Al, plus GH and some young pieces

You cant have all you listed under one team

Nice try

Why not?

Horford
Davis
Hayward
Brown
Irving

We'd lose some depth, but depth is overrated.


I don't see how playing Davis and Horford together will be successful.

Re: Trade Irving for the sake of the team
« Reply #407 on: January 26, 2019, 11:54:14 PM »

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Trade Irving for Kuzma, Hart and 1st

This team as constructed cant beat the GSW.

Develop the "future" .... not put all eggs in one basket (Irving) and risk alienating several others

I'd rather trade Brown or Tatum for Anthony Davis. That future sounds much, much better to me.

Davis and Irving cant beat the GSW
It has an almost infinitely higher chance than the team you proposed. If Irving and Al nearly did tonight, then I'm pretty happy to go with Irving, AD and Al, plus GH and some young pieces

You cant have all you listed under one team

Nice try

Why not?

Horford
Davis
Hayward
Brown
Irving

We'd lose some depth, but depth is overrated.
Lol, I was very confused for a second. Why can't we have all those guys simultaneously?

Today's game really shows how overrated depth is.
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Re: Trade Irving for the sake of the team
« Reply #408 on: January 26, 2019, 11:55:33 PM »

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Trade Irving for Kuzma, Hart and 1st

This team as constructed cant beat the GSW.

Develop the "future" .... not put all eggs in one basket (Irving) and risk alienating several others

I'd rather trade Brown or Tatum for Anthony Davis. That future sounds much, much better to me.

Davis and Irving cant beat the GSW
It has an almost infinitely higher chance than the team you proposed. If Irving and Al nearly did tonight, then I'm pretty happy to go with Irving, AD and Al, plus GH and some young pieces

You cant have all you listed under one team

Nice try

Why not?

Horford
Davis
Hayward
Brown
Irving

We'd lose some depth, but depth is overrated.


I don't see how playing Davis and Horford together will be successful.

Why wouldn't it be?  The large majority of teams still play with a PF and C on the floor at the same time. 


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Re: Trade Irving for the sake of the team
« Reply #409 on: January 26, 2019, 11:55:35 PM »

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Trade Irving for Kuzma, Hart and 1st

This team as constructed cant beat the GSW.

Develop the "future" .... not put all eggs in one basket (Irving) and risk alienating several others

I'd rather trade Brown or Tatum for Anthony Davis. That future sounds much, much better to me.

Davis and Irving cant beat the GSW
It has an almost infinitely higher chance than the team you proposed. If Irving and Al nearly did tonight, then I'm pretty happy to go with Irving, AD and Al, plus GH and some young pieces

You cant have all you listed under one team

Nice try

Why not?

Horford
Davis
Hayward
Brown
Irving

We'd lose some depth, but depth is overrated.


I don't see how playing Davis and Horford together will be successful.

 ???

They might be one of the better defensive tandems in the league.
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Re: Trade Irving for the sake of the team
« Reply #410 on: January 26, 2019, 11:56:18 PM »

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Trade Irving for Kuzma, Hart and 1st

This team as constructed cant beat the GSW.

Develop the "future" .... not put all eggs in one basket (Irving) and risk alienating several others

I'd rather trade Brown or Tatum for Anthony Davis. That future sounds much, much better to me.

Davis and Irving cant beat the GSW
It has an almost infinitely higher chance than the team you proposed. If Irving and Al nearly did tonight, then I'm pretty happy to go with Irving, AD and Al, plus GH and some young pieces

You cant have all you listed under one team

Nice try

Why not?

Horford
Davis
Hayward
Brown
Irving

We'd lose some depth, but depth is overrated.


I don't see how playing Davis and Horford together will be successful.

 ???
Can't wait to see this explanation
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PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
C: Chris Webber (00-01) / Ralph Sampson (83-84) / Andrew Bogut (09-10)

Re: Trade Irving for the sake of the team
« Reply #411 on: January 27, 2019, 12:01:50 AM »

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Trade Irving for Kuzma, Hart and 1st

This team as constructed cant beat the GSW.

Develop the "future" .... not put all eggs in one basket (Irving) and risk alienating several others

I'd rather trade Brown or Tatum for Anthony Davis. That future sounds much, much better to me.

Davis and Irving cant beat the GSW
It has an almost infinitely higher chance than the team you proposed. If Irving and Al nearly did tonight, then I'm pretty happy to go with Irving, AD and Al, plus GH and some young pieces

You cant have all you listed under one team

Nice try

Why not?

Horford
Davis
Hayward
Brown
Irving

We'd lose some depth, but depth is overrated.  I like that better than:

Hayward
Tatum
Kuzma
Brown
Rozier

yeah if we can get Davis for a package that that includes draft picks, salary filler and one of brown or tatum - why wouldn't we do that?  The problem is, I don't know if that will be good enough to get Davis.

Re: Trade Irving for the sake of the team
« Reply #412 on: January 27, 2019, 12:04:44 AM »

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Trade Irving for Kuzma, Hart and 1st

This team as constructed cant beat the GSW.

Develop the "future" .... not put all eggs in one basket (Irving) and risk alienating several others

I'd rather trade Brown or Tatum for Anthony Davis. That future sounds much, much better to me.

Davis and Irving cant beat the GSW
It has an almost infinitely higher chance than the team you proposed. If Irving and Al nearly did tonight, then I'm pretty happy to go with Irving, AD and Al, plus GH and some young pieces

You cant have all you listed under one team

Nice try

Why not?

Horford
Davis
Hayward
Brown
Irving

We'd lose some depth, but depth is overrated.  I like that better than:

Hayward
Tatum
Kuzma
Brown
Rozier

yeah if we can get Davis for a package that that includes draft picks, salary filler and one of brown or tatum - why wouldn't we do that?  The problem is, I don't know if that will be good enough to get Davis.

Well, Smart and arguably Williams aren't necessarily salary filler.


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Re: Trade Irving for the sake of the team
« Reply #413 on: January 27, 2019, 12:06:18 AM »

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Trade Irving for Kuzma, Hart and 1st

This team as constructed cant beat the GSW.

Develop the "future" .... not put all eggs in one basket (Irving) and risk alienating several others

I'd rather trade Brown or Tatum for Anthony Davis. That future sounds much, much better to me.

Davis and Irving cant beat the GSW
It has an almost infinitely higher chance than the team you proposed. If Irving and Al nearly did tonight, then I'm pretty happy to go with Irving, AD and Al, plus GH and some young pieces

You cant have all you listed under one team

Nice try

Why not?

Horford
Davis
Hayward
Brown
Irving

We'd lose some depth, but depth is overrated.  I like that better than:

Hayward
Tatum
Kuzma
Brown
Rozier

yeah if we can get Davis for a package that that includes draft picks, salary filler and one of brown or tatum - why wouldn't we do that?  The problem is, I don't know if that will be good enough to get Davis.

Well, Smart and arguably Williams aren't necessarily salary filler.
 

I didn't know who was going as salary filler in this discussion.  Yeah Smart isn't filler.  If we do make a run after Davis, I hope that Smart can be retained.  He gives you stuff that is really hard to find in today's NBA.

Re: Trade Irving for the sake of the team
« Reply #414 on: January 27, 2019, 12:20:08 AM »

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Trade Irving for Kuzma, Hart and 1st

This team as constructed cant beat the GSW.

Develop the "future" .... not put all eggs in one basket (Irving) and risk alienating several others

I'd rather trade Brown or Tatum for Anthony Davis. That future sounds much, much better to me.

Davis and Irving cant beat the GSW
It has an almost infinitely higher chance than the team you proposed. If Irving and Al nearly did tonight, then I'm pretty happy to go with Irving, AD and Al, plus GH and some young pieces

You cant have all you listed under one team

Nice try

Why not?

Horford
Davis
Hayward
Brown
Irving

We'd lose some depth, but depth is overrated.


I don't see how playing Davis and Horford together will be successful.

Why wouldn't it be?  The large majority of teams still play with a PF and C on the floor at the same time.


I just don't have any hope in tying up half the team's salary cap in big men with today's NBA. After Horford's contract is up, he would probably take 30 million on a two year deal. But that will still be a 50 million a year obligation in essentially two centers.

Re: Trade Irving for the sake of the team
« Reply #415 on: January 27, 2019, 12:29:23 AM »

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Trade Irving for Kuzma, Hart and 1st

This team as constructed cant beat the GSW.

Develop the "future" .... not put all eggs in one basket (Irving) and risk alienating several others

I'd rather trade Brown or Tatum for Anthony Davis. That future sounds much, much better to me.

Davis and Irving cant beat the GSW
It has an almost infinitely higher chance than the team you proposed. If Irving and Al nearly did tonight, then I'm pretty happy to go with Irving, AD and Al, plus GH and some young pieces

You cant have all you listed under one team

Nice try

Why not?

Horford
Davis
Hayward
Brown
Irving

We'd lose some depth, but depth is overrated.


I don't see how playing Davis and Horford together will be successful.

Why wouldn't it be?  The large majority of teams still play with a PF and C on the floor at the same time.


I just don't have any hope in tying up half the team's salary cap in big men with today's NBA. After Horford's contract is up, he would probably take 30 million on a two year deal. But that will still be a 50 million a year obligation in essentially two centers.

Except Davis is quick enough to defend most anyone the opposition would play at the 4. 

Re: Trade Irving for the sake of the team
« Reply #416 on: January 27, 2019, 12:31:16 AM »

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Trade Irving for Kuzma, Hart and 1st

This team as constructed cant beat the GSW.

Develop the "future" .... not put all eggs in one basket (Irving) and risk alienating several others

I'd rather trade Brown or Tatum for Anthony Davis. That future sounds much, much better to me.

Davis and Irving cant beat the GSW
It has an almost infinitely higher chance than the team you proposed. If Irving and Al nearly did tonight, then I'm pretty happy to go with Irving, AD and Al, plus GH and some young pieces

You cant have all you listed under one team

Nice try

Why not?

Horford
Davis
Hayward
Brown
Irving

We'd lose some depth, but depth is overrated.


I don't see how playing Davis and Horford together will be successful.

Why wouldn't it be?  The large majority of teams still play with a PF and C on the floor at the same time.


I just don't have any hope in tying up half the team's salary cap in big men with today's NBA. After Horford's contract is up, he would probably take 30 million on a two year deal. But that will still be a 50 million a year obligation in essentially two centers.

Except Davis is quick enough to defend most anyone the opposition would play at the 4.
And insists that he himself is a 4
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Re: Trade Irving for the sake of the team
« Reply #417 on: January 27, 2019, 12:31:32 AM »

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Trade Irving for Kuzma, Hart and 1st

This team as constructed cant beat the GSW.

Develop the "future" .... not put all eggs in one basket (Irving) and risk alienating several others

I'd rather trade Brown or Tatum for Anthony Davis. That future sounds much, much better to me.

Davis and Irving cant beat the GSW
It has an almost infinitely higher chance than the team you proposed. If Irving and Al nearly did tonight, then I'm pretty happy to go with Irving, AD and Al, plus GH and some young pieces

You cant have all you listed under one team

Nice try

Why not?

Horford
Davis
Hayward
Brown
Irving

We'd lose some depth, but depth is overrated.


I don't see how playing Davis and Horford together will be successful.

Why wouldn't it be?  The large majority of teams still play with a PF and C on the floor at the same time.


I just don't have any hope in tying up half the team's salary cap in big men with today's NBA. After Horford's contract is up, he would probably take 30 million on a two year deal. But that will still be a 50 million a year obligation in essentially two centers.

First you said they can't play together (but they'd complement each other very well on both ends), now you're talking about salary. You're moving the goal posts.
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Re: Trade Irving for the sake of the team
« Reply #418 on: January 27, 2019, 12:34:37 AM »

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Trade Irving for Kuzma, Hart and 1st

This team as constructed cant beat the GSW.

Develop the "future" .... not put all eggs in one basket (Irving) and risk alienating several others

I'd rather trade Brown or Tatum for Anthony Davis. That future sounds much, much better to me.

Davis and Irving cant beat the GSW
It has an almost infinitely higher chance than the team you proposed. If Irving and Al nearly did tonight, then I'm pretty happy to go with Irving, AD and Al, plus GH and some young pieces

You cant have all you listed under one team

Nice try

Why not?

Horford
Davis
Hayward
Brown
Irving

We'd lose some depth, but depth is overrated.


I don't see how playing Davis and Horford together will be successful.

Why wouldn't it be?  The large majority of teams still play with a PF and C on the floor at the same time.


I just don't have any hope in tying up half the team's salary cap in big men with today's NBA. After Horford's contract is up, he would probably take 30 million on a two year deal. But that will still be a 50 million a year obligation in essentially two centers.

First you said they can't play together (but they'd complement each other very well on both ends), now you're talking about salary. You're moving the goal posts.


I said playing them together would not be successful, which is true. Allocating half the team's salary cap to big men will fail.

Re: Trade Irving for the sake of the team
« Reply #419 on: January 27, 2019, 12:37:16 AM »

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Trade Irving for Kuzma, Hart and 1st

This team as constructed cant beat the GSW.

Develop the "future" .... not put all eggs in one basket (Irving) and risk alienating several others

I'd rather trade Brown or Tatum for Anthony Davis. That future sounds much, much better to me.

Davis and Irving cant beat the GSW
It has an almost infinitely higher chance than the team you proposed. If Irving and Al nearly did tonight, then I'm pretty happy to go with Irving, AD and Al, plus GH and some young pieces

You cant have all you listed under one team

Nice try

Why not?

Horford
Davis
Hayward
Brown
Irving

We'd lose some depth, but depth is overrated.


I don't see how playing Davis and Horford together will be successful.

Why wouldn't it be?  The large majority of teams still play with a PF and C on the floor at the same time.


I just don't have any hope in tying up half the team's salary cap in big men with today's NBA. After Horford's contract is up, he would probably take 30 million on a two year deal. But that will still be a 50 million a year obligation in essentially two centers.

First you said they can't play together (but they'd complement each other very well on both ends), now you're talking about salary. You're moving the goal posts.


I said playing them together would not be successful, which is true. Allocating half the team's salary cap to big men will fail.

It is?
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PF: Giannis Antetokounmpo/Robert Covington
C: Kristaps Porzingis/Bobby Portis/James Wiseman