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Re: Jabari?
« Reply #120 on: April 17, 2021, 05:11:45 PM »

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Now if only we could dump Edwards and sign IT, we'd be all set.

Edwards is awful

Serious question, though:  is IT better than him right now?

Offensively by a lot. Certainly not defensively... Guess it comes down to what you are looking to add. I would take IT everyday of the week, he’s a proven NBA player  who can score and can run an offense. Edwards has never done anything well. It’s a complete waste of a roster spot.

He runs an offense where he’s the primary scorer, though.  IT as a scorer has been really bad.  With NOP:  33% FG%, 25% 3PT%.  Internationally, he had one good game, one mediocre one against sub-NCAA competition.

Carsen has actually been pretty efficient in his minutes, despite poor outside shooting. 


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« Reply #121 on: April 17, 2021, 05:13:30 PM »

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Any chance Jabari is available for tonight's game?

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« Reply #122 on: April 17, 2021, 05:37:28 PM »

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I don’t really understand the Jabari pickup, when guys like Wilson Chandler, Austin Rivers and even Kyle Korver are available.

Jabari was always a defensive sieve going into the NBA and was worse after his two ACL injuries. He has never looked like someone who’s in 100% shape and for his size is a poor rebounder which is a reflection of effort. Perhaps we couldn’t get other vets so and Ainge is kicking the tyres on Jabari hoping he can help with a bit of scoring.

None of those guys listed are PF’s. Jabari just turned 26 the other day, he’s still young and has talent.
You can look at it like that but Parker is really at the end of his nba career.

Well, apparently Danny and Brad don’t see it that way. Guess we will find out soon enough.
I wouldn't confuse the contract Jabari got with some certainty that Ainge and Stevens believe he can be some great contributor to the team. It can just as well be a replacement of a complete nothing of a player, Wagner, that was going to become a free agent Boston wasn't going to bring back, with a guy who might see extremely limited minutes to get a bit of offense. In other words, a player just above a nothing player.

And that second year? That could simply be Ainge assuring he has some extra salary hanging around that he can use in a trade. He has done this with late in the season signing, buyout players before. If Ainge has plans to make a trade and needs salary to do it, losing Wagner's salary because he becomes a free agent doesn't help in the off-season trade market. No one will be clamouring to sign and trade Wagner so better to cut him now, sign Parker to that second year and suddenly Ainge has more salary to aggregate into a trade.

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« Reply #123 on: April 17, 2021, 06:15:55 PM »

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I don’t really understand the Jabari pickup, when guys like Wilson Chandler, Austin Rivers and even Kyle Korver are available.

Jabari was always a defensive sieve going into the NBA and was worse after his two ACL injuries. He has never looked like someone who’s in 100% shape and for his size is a poor rebounder which is a reflection of effort. Perhaps we couldn’t get other vets so and Ainge is kicking the tyres on Jabari hoping he can help with a bit of scoring.

None of those guys listed are PF’s. Jabari just turned 26 the other day, he’s still young and has talent.
You can look at it like that but Parker is really at the end of his nba career.

Well, apparently Danny and Brad don’t see it that way. Guess we will find out soon enough.
I wouldn't confuse the contract Jabari got with some certainty that Ainge and Stevens believe he can be some great contributor to the team. It can just as well be a replacement of a complete nothing of a player, Wagner, that was going to become a free agent Boston wasn't going to bring back, with a guy who might see extremely limited minutes to get a bit of offense. In other words, a player just above a nothing player.

And that second year? That could simply be Ainge assuring he has some extra salary hanging around that he can use in a trade. He has done this with late in the season signing, buyout players before. If Ainge has plans to make a trade and needs salary to do it, losing Wagner's salary because he becomes a free agent doesn't help in the off-season trade market. No one will be clamouring to sign and trade Wagner so better to cut him now, sign Parker to that second year and suddenly Ainge has more salary to aggregate into a trade.

If that's the case, then why didn't they just sign IT instead? Whether they are correct or not, it does look like they have some level of expectation for Parker.

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« Reply #124 on: April 17, 2021, 06:28:41 PM »

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I don’t really understand the Jabari pickup, when guys like Wilson Chandler, Austin Rivers and even Kyle Korver are available.

Jabari was always a defensive sieve going into the NBA and was worse after his two ACL injuries. He has never looked like someone who’s in 100% shape and for his size is a poor rebounder which is a reflection of effort. Perhaps we couldn’t get other vets so and Ainge is kicking the tyres on Jabari hoping he can help with a bit of scoring.

None of those guys listed are PF’s. Jabari just turned 26 the other day, he’s still young and has talent.
You can look at it like that but Parker is really at the end of his nba career.

Well, apparently Danny and Brad don’t see it that way. Guess we will find out soon enough.
I wouldn't confuse the contract Jabari got with some certainty that Ainge and Stevens believe he can be some great contributor to the team. It can just as well be a replacement of a complete nothing of a player, Wagner, that was going to become a free agent Boston wasn't going to bring back, with a guy who might see extremely limited minutes to get a bit of offense. In other words, a player just above a nothing player.

And that second year? That could simply be Ainge assuring he has some extra salary hanging around that he can use in a trade. He has done this with late in the season signing, buyout players before. If Ainge has plans to make a trade and needs salary to do it, losing Wagner's salary because he becomes a free agent doesn't help in the off-season trade market. No one will be clamouring to sign and trade Wagner so better to cut him now, sign Parker to that second year and suddenly Ainge has more salary to aggregate into a trade.

If that's the case, then why didn't they just sign IT instead? Whether they are correct or not, it does look like they have some level of expectation for Parker.
What makes you think IT was on their radar? They replaced a center with a scoring PF. The team didn't need a fifth PG, and certainly not a 4th PG below 6'1" that might be the worst defender in the NBA.

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« Reply #125 on: April 17, 2021, 06:59:10 PM »

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Finally, the bench actually looks like an NBA bench

Now if only we could dump Edwards and sign IT, we'd be all set.

Edwards is awful

Serious question, though:  is IT better than him right now?

Offensively by a lot. Certainly not defensively... Guess it comes down to what you are looking to add. I would take IT everyday of the week, he’s a proven NBA player  who can score and can run an offense. Edwards has never done anything well. It’s a complete waste of a roster spot.

Is he? We're not talking about IT in his prime, we're talking about IT right now. He wasn't go in NO during his 10-day contract and it's not like they didn't give him an opportunity.

IT just isn't good anymore. It's sad, but it's the truth. Signing him wouldn't be about adding talent, it'd be about appeasing some parts of the fanbase with a sentimentality move. I don't see Ainge doing that.
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« Reply #126 on: April 17, 2021, 07:12:41 PM »

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Any chance Jabari is available for tonight's game?

He is available to play.
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« Reply #127 on: April 17, 2021, 07:14:17 PM »

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Any chance Jabari is available for tonight's game?

He is available to play.

I d guess his weight is north of 240

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« Reply #128 on: April 17, 2021, 07:36:36 PM »

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I don’t really understand the Jabari pickup, when guys like Wilson Chandler, Austin Rivers and even Kyle Korver are available.

Jabari was always a defensive sieve going into the NBA and was worse after his two ACL injuries. He has never looked like someone who’s in 100% shape and for his size is a poor rebounder which is a reflection of effort. Perhaps we couldn’t get other vets so and Ainge is kicking the tyres on Jabari hoping he can help with a bit of scoring.

None of those guys listed are PF’s. Jabari just turned 26 the other day, he’s still young and has talent.
You can look at it like that but Parker is really at the end of his nba career.

Well, apparently Danny and Brad don’t see it that way. Guess we will find out soon enough.
I wouldn't confuse the contract Jabari got with some certainty that Ainge and Stevens believe he can be some great contributor to the team. It can just as well be a replacement of a complete nothing of a player, Wagner, that was going to become a free agent Boston wasn't going to bring back, with a guy who might see extremely limited minutes to get a bit of offense. In other words, a player just above a nothing player.

And that second year? That could simply be Ainge assuring he has some extra salary hanging around that he can use in a trade. He has done this with late in the season signing, buyout players before. If Ainge has plans to make a trade and needs salary to do it, losing Wagner's salary because he becomes a free agent doesn't help in the off-season trade market. No one will be clamouring to sign and trade Wagner so better to cut him now, sign Parker to that second year and suddenly Ainge has more salary to aggregate into a trade.

If that's the case, then why didn't they just sign IT instead? Whether they are correct or not, it does look like they have some level of expectation for Parker.
What makes you think IT was on their radar? They replaced a center with a scoring PF. The team didn't need a fifth PG, and certainly not a 4th PG below 6'1" that might be the worst defender in the NBA.

That is my point precisely, that they do have some expectations for Parker beyond what you described as him being slightly above zero value compared to Wagner. They do expect him to be a scoring PF. If they expected nothing but slightly above zero value, they may as well go for IT as at least he brings sentimental value in spades.

Stevens quote today clearly states that they expect Parker to bring scoring , versatility and ball handling/passing to complement their key guys. He said they have expectations for Parker for beyond this season and expects him to play the 4 and to play some small ball 5.

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« Reply #129 on: April 17, 2021, 07:40:35 PM »

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I don’t really understand the Jabari pickup, when guys like Wilson Chandler, Austin Rivers and even Kyle Korver are available.

Jabari was always a defensive sieve going into the NBA and was worse after his two ACL injuries. He has never looked like someone who’s in 100% shape and for his size is a poor rebounder which is a reflection of effort. Perhaps we couldn’t get other vets so and Ainge is kicking the tyres on Jabari hoping he can help with a bit of scoring.

None of those guys listed are PF’s. Jabari just turned 26 the other day, he’s still young and has talent.
You can look at it like that but Parker is really at the end of his nba career.

Well, apparently Danny and Brad don’t see it that way. Guess we will find out soon enough.
I wouldn't confuse the contract Jabari got with some certainty that Ainge and Stevens believe he can be some great contributor to the team. It can just as well be a replacement of a complete nothing of a player, Wagner, that was going to become a free agent Boston wasn't going to bring back, with a guy who might see extremely limited minutes to get a bit of offense. In other words, a player just above a nothing player.

And that second year? That could simply be Ainge assuring he has some extra salary hanging around that he can use in a trade. He has done this with late in the season signing, buyout players before. If Ainge has plans to make a trade and needs salary to do it, losing Wagner's salary because he becomes a free agent doesn't help in the off-season trade market. No one will be clamouring to sign and trade Wagner so better to cut him now, sign Parker to that second year and suddenly Ainge has more salary to aggregate into a trade.

If that's the case, then why didn't they just sign IT instead? Whether they are correct or not, it does look like they have some level of expectation for Parker.
What makes you think IT was on their radar? They replaced a center with a scoring PF. The team didn't need a fifth PG, and certainly not a 4th PG below 6'1" that might be the worst defender in the NBA.

That is my point precisely, that they do have some expectations for Parker beyond what you described as him being slightly above zero value compared to Wagner. They do expect him to be a scoring PF. If they expected nothing but slightly above zero value, they may as well go for IT as at least he brings sentimental value in spades.

Stevens quote today clearly states that they expect Parker to bring scoring , versatility and ball handling/passing to complement their key guys. He said they have expectations for Parker for beyond this season and expects him to play the 4 and to play some small ball 5.

All that said, there’s a difference in what you say to the press and the expectations you have in planning out an actual rotation.  Practically speaking, it is more likely than not Jabari will be a DNP many nights.

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« Reply #130 on: April 17, 2021, 07:43:30 PM »

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I don’t really understand the Jabari pickup, when guys like Wilson Chandler, Austin Rivers and even Kyle Korver are available.

Jabari was always a defensive sieve going into the NBA and was worse after his two ACL injuries. He has never looked like someone who’s in 100% shape and for his size is a poor rebounder which is a reflection of effort. Perhaps we couldn’t get other vets so and Ainge is kicking the tyres on Jabari hoping he can help with a bit of scoring.

None of those guys listed are PF’s. Jabari just turned 26 the other day, he’s still young and has talent.
You can look at it like that but Parker is really at the end of his nba career.

Well, apparently Danny and Brad don’t see it that way. Guess we will find out soon enough.
I wouldn't confuse the contract Jabari got with some certainty that Ainge and Stevens believe he can be some great contributor to the team. It can just as well be a replacement of a complete nothing of a player, Wagner, that was going to become a free agent Boston wasn't going to bring back, with a guy who might see extremely limited minutes to get a bit of offense. In other words, a player just above a nothing player.

And that second year? That could simply be Ainge assuring he has some extra salary hanging around that he can use in a trade. He has done this with late in the season signing, buyout players before. If Ainge has plans to make a trade and needs salary to do it, losing Wagner's salary because he becomes a free agent doesn't help in the off-season trade market. No one will be clamouring to sign and trade Wagner so better to cut him now, sign Parker to that second year and suddenly Ainge has more salary to aggregate into a trade.

If that's the case, then why didn't they just sign IT instead? Whether they are correct or not, it does look like they have some level of expectation for Parker.
What makes you think IT was on their radar? They replaced a center with a scoring PF. The team didn't need a fifth PG, and certainly not a 4th PG below 6'1" that might be the worst defender in the NBA.

That is my point precisely, that they do have some expectations for Parker beyond what you described as him being slightly above zero value compared to Wagner. They do expect him to be a scoring PF. If they expected nothing but slightly above zero value, they may as well go for IT as at least he brings sentimental value in spades.

Stevens quote today clearly states that they expect Parker to bring scoring , versatility and ball handling/passing to complement their key guys. He said they have expectations for Parker for beyond this season and expects him to play the 4 and to play some small ball 5.

All that said, there’s a difference in what you say to the press and the expectations you have in planning out an actual rotation.  Practically speaking, it is more likely than not Jabari will be a DNP many nights.

Or it could be that Stevens is just as tired as we are of seeing Semi or Grant Williams out there killing our offense off the bench and just wants a few guys he can bring in who can at least consistently score for some backup minutes.

After the Fournier trade, he said Fournier would play a lot of minutes and they value his scoring, and that has been the case when Fournier was available.

I think Quietly adding Fournier , Parker and even Langford to the second unit has been a major boost for this team. We know have Pritchard, Langford, Fournier, Parker and TT  off the bench and even Kornet who has been great in short minutes. A legit, versatile bench with experience and shooting.

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« Reply #131 on: April 17, 2021, 07:44:42 PM »

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Colour me surprised.

He was pretty good on offence last year. Has been routinely efficient on 2PT field goals. Can't be worse than Mo
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« Reply #132 on: April 17, 2021, 07:53:58 PM »

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« Reply #133 on: April 17, 2021, 08:03:06 PM »

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I don’t really understand the Jabari pickup, when guys like Wilson Chandler, Austin Rivers and even Kyle Korver are available.

Jabari was always a defensive sieve going into the NBA and was worse after his two ACL injuries. He has never looked like someone who’s in 100% shape and for his size is a poor rebounder which is a reflection of effort. Perhaps we couldn’t get other vets so and Ainge is kicking the tyres on Jabari hoping he can help with a bit of scoring.

None of those guys listed are PF’s. Jabari just turned 26 the other day, he’s still young and has talent.
You can look at it like that but Parker is really at the end of his nba career.

Well, apparently Danny and Brad don’t see it that way. Guess we will find out soon enough.
I wouldn't confuse the contract Jabari got with some certainty that Ainge and Stevens believe he can be some great contributor to the team. It can just as well be a replacement of a complete nothing of a player, Wagner, that was going to become a free agent Boston wasn't going to bring back, with a guy who might see extremely limited minutes to get a bit of offense. In other words, a player just above a nothing player.

And that second year? That could simply be Ainge assuring he has some extra salary hanging around that he can use in a trade. He has done this with late in the season signing, buyout players before. If Ainge has plans to make a trade and needs salary to do it, losing Wagner's salary because he becomes a free agent doesn't help in the off-season trade market. No one will be clamouring to sign and trade Wagner so better to cut him now, sign Parker to that second year and suddenly Ainge has more salary to aggregate into a trade.

If that's the case, then why didn't they just sign IT instead? Whether they are correct or not, it does look like they have some level of expectation for Parker.
I was describing the type of player Jabari is, not necessarily saying he can still do that at a level that gets him any significant minutes.

As for what Stevens and Ainge said, I would take that with a grain of salt the size of a basketball. It's not like they are going to say bad things about him.

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« Reply #134 on: April 17, 2021, 08:18:27 PM »

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I don't understand why so many are saying Jabari Parker is an upgrade on Mo Wagner. Mo Wagner is a borderline to end of bench level NBA player. Jabari Parker does not even belong in this league and has not for many years.

His offense is good but his defense is dreadful and takes far more off the table than his offense adds to it.

A downgrade and a waste of a roster spot. At least we still have Semi and Grant Williams at PF to stop this guy from hurting our team too much. Still what a waste of a roster spot.

I don’t think it’s possible for an NBA player to be more useless than Wagner has been here.  We don’t need five centers, but even by the theoretical standard of “what do you want from your fifth center”, he was below that.

Parker’s defense really is atrocious.  Like, Kyrie bad, or worse.  But, in today’s offense-only league, I think a good offense / terrible defense player can get minutes.  If anything, a failure to foster those types of players is one of Stevens’ weaknesses; it limits the talent pool.  I mean, we’ve been living with the inverse of that — good defense, terrible offense — for years.

When you are a disgrace of a defender, you need to be an immense offensive talent. Not merely a good one. If you are only a good one, you are still a net negative and a large one at that -- which is what Jabari Parker is.

You need to be passable defensively -- like low effort Kyrie -- to be merely good on offense to be of use to an NBA team.

Otherwise, you are better off with a limited offensive threat like Semi or Grant Williams because at least they won't hurt you as bad as a player like Jabari Parker will. They have less positive contributions but also far less negative contributions to the team. A net positive over Jabari.

There are bad defenders.

And there are pathetic defenders. Jabari is pathetic.

And he is not good enough offensively to make up for how bad he is defensively. He'll have a good enough game every once in a while (say 1 out 5) where he is a net positive for you but the rest of the time he is just hurting you (say 4 out of 5 games).

He just does not bring enough to the table.

He is not an NBA player. He should go abroad to a slower less athletic league. He could succeed in that environment and have a good professional career. Someplace like China or Europe.

Injuries have decimated his quickness & agility on defense. He is not an NBA player.

Well, hopefully he has recovered some quickness & agility as he is still only 26.  Julius Randle from the same draft class turned his defense around this year.  Maybe it’s not too late for Parker.  Fingers crossed.