Zach Lowe’s POR / Hayward trade proposal

[BitterJim]

The only redeeming thing about this proposed trade is cap relief.
If the deal was Collins, Ariza and a pick for Hayward it would create a 15 million dollar TPE the team could use to sign woods or Gallo like that.

Kemba
Brown
Tatum
Woods/gallo
Collins

Its interesting team if healthy.





Swap Zach for Nurkic though and I like it alot more.

I don't think that's how exceptions work.

I have read stuff online stating that it does, and I have read articles stating that it doesnt.

So I dont know what to believe.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm is your friend. Not the kind of friend that you want to hang out with for hours, but definitely the kind of friend you can turn to when you're unsure about something. (Seriously, don't just try to read it all the way through, but searching for aspects of the cap and learning more about them over time is the way to go.)

As for signing players with a TPE, the section on non-simultaneous trades spells it out pretty clearly:

Teams cannot use trade exceptions to sign free agents; they can be used only to acquire existing contracts from other teams. However, a team can acquire a free agent using a trade exception if he is signed by his prior team and traded in a sign-and-trade transaction (see question number 92).

Which means that, well assuming the trade of Hayward did create a large enough TPE, then the sort of transaction Darth Yoda hoped for to acquire Woods or Gallo would be possible.

The way it would work is that either would be signed by their current team (Bird Rights) and traded to the Cs into the TPE space.   For doing this, the Cs would sent that team one or more draft picks.

Whether this is a good thing to do is debatable, of course.

The other question is how close this trade would put us to the apron, since a sign-and-trade would hard cap us there. I'm not sure that this trade sheds enough salary for us to be able to actually us a TPE to bring in more than, say, the MLE.

Maybe with Hood and/or Ariza going to a third team?

[CsBanner18]

The only redeeming thing about this proposed trade is cap relief.
If the deal was Collins, Ariza and a pick for Hayward it would create a 15 million dollar TPE the team could use to sign woods or Gallo like that.

Kemba
Brown
Tatum
Woods/gallo
Collins

Its interesting team if healthy.





Swap Zach for Nurkic though and I like it alot more.

I don't think that's how exceptions work.

I have read stuff online stating that it does, and I have read articles stating that it doesnt.

So I dont know what to believe.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm is your friend. Not the kind of friend that you want to hang out with for hours, but definitely the kind of friend you can turn to when you're unsure about something. (Seriously, don't just try to read it all the way through, but searching for aspects of the cap and learning more about them over time is the way to go.)

As for signing players with a TPE, the section on non-simultaneous trades spells it out pretty clearly:

Teams cannot use trade exceptions to sign free agents; they can be used only to acquire existing contracts from other teams. However, a team can acquire a free agent using a trade exception if he is signed by his prior team and traded in a sign-and-trade transaction (see question number 92).

Which means that, well assuming the trade of Hayward did create a large enough TPE, then the sort of transaction Darth Yoda hoped for to acquire Woods or Gallo would be possible.

The way it would work is that either would be signed by their current team (Bird Rights) and traded to the Cs into the TPE space.   For doing this, the Cs would sent that team one or more draft picks.

Whether this is a good thing to do is debatable, of course.

Zach Lowe’s idea is based on the assumption that Hayward opts out and is willing to re-sign for roughly $25M a year. In this scenario, we can sign and trade him to the Blazers for Collins + Ariza + Hood.

Ariza $12,800,000
Hood $6,003,900 (player option)
Collins $5,406,255

total $24,210,155

Hayward's new salary would be around $25M, hence it would be a valid trade.

Obviously, we wouldn't have a TPE big enough to go after Wood/Gallo.

One alternative if it doesn’t create a TPE:

Ariza to GS for their TPE. I like the idea of Ariza in Boston. At the end of the day though, he’s on an expiring contract. Ariza to GA would save Boston more money and create a TPE worth at least $12.8M.

They could then use the Ariza TPE to acquire Wood. Where there’s a will...there’s a way!

[td450]

The only redeeming thing about this proposed trade is cap relief.
If the deal was Collins, Ariza and a pick for Hayward it would create a 15 million dollar TPE the team could use to sign woods or Gallo like that.

Kemba
Brown
Tatum
Woods/gallo
Collins

Its interesting team if healthy.





Swap Zach for Nurkic though and I like it alot more.

I don't think that's how exceptions work.

I have read stuff online stating that it does, and I have read articles stating that it doesnt.

So I dont know what to believe.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm is your friend. Not the kind of friend that you want to hang out with for hours, but definitely the kind of friend you can turn to when you're unsure about something. (Seriously, don't just try to read it all the way through, but searching for aspects of the cap and learning more about them over time is the way to go.)

As for signing players with a TPE, the section on non-simultaneous trades spells it out pretty clearly:

Teams cannot use trade exceptions to sign free agents; they can be used only to acquire existing contracts from other teams. However, a team can acquire a free agent using a trade exception if he is signed by his prior team and traded in a sign-and-trade transaction (see question number 92).

Which means that, well assuming the trade of Hayward did create a large enough TPE, then the sort of transaction Darth Yoda hoped for to acquire Woods or Gallo would be possible.

The way it would work is that either would be signed by their current team (Bird Rights) and traded to the Cs into the TPE space.   For doing this, the Cs would sent that team one or more draft picks.

Whether this is a good thing to do is debatable, of course.

Zach Lowe’s idea is based on the assumption that Hayward opts out and is willing to re-sign for roughly $25M a year. In this scenario, we can sign and trade him to the Blazers for Collins + Ariza + Hood.

Ariza $12,800,000
Hood $6,003,900 (player option)
Collins $5,406,255

total $24,210,155

Hayward's new salary would be around $25M, hence it would be a valid trade.

Obviously, we wouldn't have a TPE big enough to go after Wood/Gallo.

The equivalent math:

Portland 4 x $25M = $100M
C's $34M + 3 x $22M = $100M

I don't see how the C's wouldn't want to pay Hayward at least that much.

[Jvalin]

Zach always has the worst trade ideas. But it would be funny to watch Haywards wifes reaction to being traded to Portland.

Hayward would have to agree with this cause it would be a sign and trade.

[Darth_Yoda]

Zach always has the worst trade ideas. But it would be funny to watch Haywards wifes reaction to being traded to Portland.

Hayward would have to agree with this cause it would be a sign and trade.

After he opts in he could be traded as well.

[tazzmaniac]

Zach always has the worst trade ideas. But it would be funny to watch Haywards wifes reaction to being traded to Portland.

Hayward would have to agree with this cause it would be a sign and trade.

After he opts in he could be traded as well.

He'd have significantly less value as 1 year rental versus being signed and traded on a reasonable longer term deal.  If he opts in, I think he also has a 15% trade kicker.   

[Darth_Yoda]

Zach always has the worst trade ideas. But it would be funny to watch Haywards wifes reaction to being traded to Portland.

Hayward would have to agree with this cause it would be a sign and trade.

After he opts in he could be traded as well.

He'd have significantly less value as 1 year rental versus being signed and traded on a reasonable longer term deal.  If he opts in, I think he also has a 15% trade kicker.   

All true.

[Jvalin]

Zach always has the worst trade ideas. But it would be funny to watch Haywards wifes reaction to being traded to Portland.

Hayward would have to agree with this cause it would be a sign and trade.

After he opts in he could be traded as well.

Not for Collins + Ariza + Hood. The 3 of them can fetch up to $30,362,693 (=125% of the outgoing salary + $100,000). If Hayward opts in, his salary will be $34,187,085.

[Darth_Yoda]

Zach always has the worst trade ideas. But it would be funny to watch Haywards wifes reaction to being traded to Portland.

Hayward would have to agree with this cause it would be a sign and trade.

After he opts in he could be traded as well.

Not for Collins + Ariza + Hood. The 3 of them can fetch up to $30,362,693 (=125% of the outgoing salary + $100,000). If Hayward opts in, his salary will be $34,187,085.

Does not 30.3 million at 125% equal 37.88 million? Making it legal under the CBA?

[Jvalin]

Zach always has the worst trade ideas. But it would be funny to watch Haywards wifes reaction to being traded to Portland.

Hayward would have to agree with this cause it would be a sign and trade.

After he opts in he could be traded as well.

Not for Collins + Ariza + Hood. The 3 of them can fetch up to $30,362,693 (=125% of the outgoing salary + $100,000). If Hayward opts in, his salary will be $34,187,085.

Does not 30.3 million at 125% equal 37.88 million? Making it legal under the CBA?

Ariza $12,800,000
Hood $6,003,900 (player option)
Collins $5,406,255

total $24,210,155

$24,210,155 χ 1.25 + $100,000 = $30,362,693.75

[wiley]

I like Gordon a lot...but I don't see a downside to this trade.

It helps our:

1. defense
2. bench
3. future
4. offseason plans

Tatum has emerged as a good distributor.  Time to streamline this team.
On the other hand, a re-signed Hayward...off the bench now or a year or two from now...is also appealing.

[BitterJim]

The only redeeming thing about this proposed trade is cap relief.
If the deal was Collins, Ariza and a pick for Hayward it would create a 15 million dollar TPE the team could use to sign woods or Gallo like that.

Kemba
Brown
Tatum
Woods/gallo
Collins

Its interesting team if healthy.





Swap Zach for Nurkic though and I like it alot more.

I don't think that's how exceptions work.

I have read stuff online stating that it does, and I have read articles stating that it doesnt.

So I dont know what to believe.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm is your friend. Not the kind of friend that you want to hang out with for hours, but definitely the kind of friend you can turn to when you're unsure about something. (Seriously, don't just try to read it all the way through, but searching for aspects of the cap and learning more about them over time is the way to go.)

As for signing players with a TPE, the section on non-simultaneous trades spells it out pretty clearly:

Teams cannot use trade exceptions to sign free agents; they can be used only to acquire existing contracts from other teams. However, a team can acquire a free agent using a trade exception if he is signed by his prior team and traded in a sign-and-trade transaction (see question number 92).

Which means that, well assuming the trade of Hayward did create a large enough TPE, then the sort of transaction Darth Yoda hoped for to acquire Woods or Gallo would be possible.

The way it would work is that either would be signed by their current team (Bird Rights) and traded to the Cs into the TPE space.   For doing this, the Cs would sent that team one or more draft picks.

Whether this is a good thing to do is debatable, of course.

Zach Lowe’s idea is based on the assumption that Hayward opts out and is willing to re-sign for roughly $25M a year. In this scenario, we can sign and trade him to the Blazers for Collins + Ariza + Hood.

Ariza $12,800,000
Hood $6,003,900 (player option)
Collins $5,406,255

total $24,210,155

Hayward's new salary would be around $25M, hence it would be a valid trade.

Obviously, we wouldn't have a TPE big enough to go after Wood/Gallo.

One alternative if it doesn’t create a TPE:

Ariza to GS for their TPE. I like the idea of Ariza in Boston. At the end of the day though, he’s on an expiring contract. Ariza to GA would save Boston more money and create a TPE worth at least $12.8M.

They could then use the Ariza TPE to acquire Wood. Where there’s a will...there’s a way!

There's no way the Warriors would want Ariza at $12.8 million, they're already at record-setting levels for their tax bill. A three-way with Ariza going to Detroit or an under-the-cap team like the Hawks would be the only way something like this would make sense (but, still, I'm not sure how much we could offer without going over the tax apron)

[Darth_Yoda]

according to a Hawks "insider" (who has been right in the past) Celtics are looking to bring in Hampton for a workout (14th pick) are interested in trading up to NYKs pick if either Haliburton or Okongwu are there.

Also saying:

 "Boston wants to resign Aron Baynes.

He is hearing the same thing others are about Gordon Hayward. He is looking to opt-out. He is looking to resign or find an SnT deal to Dallas. This one is Boston's to lose. He seems to want to resign but with more years and a less competitive market than 2021. "

Hayward to Dallas for THJ, Wright and #18?

[LilRip]

according to a Hawks "insider" (who has been right in the past) Celtics are looking to bring in Hampton for a workout (14th pick) are interested in trading up to NYKs pick if either Haliburton or Okongwu are there.

Also saying:

 "Boston wants to resign Aron Baynes.

He is hearing the same thing others are about Gordon Hayward. He is looking to opt-out. He is looking to resign or find an SnT deal to Dallas. This one is Boston's to lose. He seems to want to resign but with more years and a less competitive market than 2021. "

Hayward to Dallas for THJ, Wright and #18?

Wouldn’t be averse to this trade  Dallas gets better, getting the best player in the deal, and we get our shooter plus we can (hopefully) consolidate a few picks to move up.

Getting Baynes at the right price would be nice too. Not quite the game changing big I was hoping for though. I might even continue starting theis again.

[Darth_Yoda]

according to a Hawks "insider" (who has been right in the past) Celtics are looking to bring in Hampton for a workout (14th pick) are interested in trading up to NYKs pick if either Haliburton or Okongwu are there.

Also saying:

 "Boston wants to resign Aron Baynes.

He is hearing the same thing others are about Gordon Hayward. He is looking to opt-out. He is looking to resign or find an SnT deal to Dallas. This one is Boston's to lose. He seems to want to resign but with more years and a less competitive market than 2021. "

Hayward to Dallas for THJ, Wright and #18?

Wouldn’t be averse to this trade  Dallas gets better, getting the best player in the deal, and we get our shooter plus we can (hopefully) consolidate a few picks to move up.

Getting Baynes at the right price would be nice too. Not quite the game changing big I was hoping for though. I might even continue starting theis again.

I believe, assuming that Hayward wants to go there, we wouldnt even have to resign him, as they have the space to take him in.

THJ , #18, #31 from Dallas for Hayward, Poirier, #30 (#30 for #31 should satisfy the stepian rule about pick trading?)

This gives shooting off the bench as well as an expiring and gives the team about 15 million in a TPE (woods/Gallow)

I would have to think that #26 to Detroit for a sign and traded Wood (assuming wood is leaving) would be a good deal for them. Could also offer 14 and 18 for their first as well.)

Its possible that dealing Hayward to Dallas could net the team
Wood, THJ, Haliburton.

Kemba/Haliburton
Smart/Romeo
Brown/THJ
Tatum/GrantW
Wood/Theis