Celtics (0-2) at Heat (2-0) ECF Game #3 5/21/23

[ozgod]

If this is the part where you want to counter that it took Paul Pierce 10 seasons to win a championship, that’s because it took that long to assemble a winning team around him.

Now this is interesting because of the tangent it brings up - is there a universe where the Tatum & Brown duo is just Antoine & Pierce all over again? There's some similarities, and some differences (namely that the Jays have already been much, much more successful).

I think the thing they have to figure out is do they have that drive inside them to be the best players on the court whenever they step on it, and do they take it personally if they are not. Mamba mentality, in a sense.

In a way this series reminds me of 2020-21, the year after the bubble, where we lost to the KD and Cryrie Nets 4-1. We had one good game in G3 where Tatum scored 50 points but we were well beaten in the other games. Durant wrecked us in 3 games and Harden finished us off in the 5th game. We had no Jaylen then so we weren't expected to beat the Nets but the disappointment and calls for heads to roll were similar.

[ozgod]

Jimmy taunting Al after Miami went up 29 points in the third. Say what you like about him, the man can troll with the best of them 

[Who]

I was just looking at the box score again this morning. G Vincent finished with 29pts. D Robinson with 22pts. C Martin with 18pts.

That trio combined for 69pts.

[Kernewek]

If this is the part where you want to counter that it took Paul Pierce 10 seasons to win a championship, that’s because it took that long to assemble a winning team around him.

Now this is interesting because of the tangent it brings up - is there a universe where the Tatum & Brown duo is just Antoine & Pierce all over again? There's some similarities, and some differences (namely that the Jays have already been much, much more successful).

I think the thing they have to figure out is do they have that drive inside them to be the best players on the court whenever they step on it, and do they take it personally if they are not. Mamba mentality, in a sense.

In a way this series reminds me of 2020-21, the year after the bubble, where we lost to the KD and Cryrie Nets 4-1. We had one good game in G3 where Tatum scored 50 points but we were well beaten in the other games. Durant wrecked us in 3 games and Harden finished us off in the 5th game. We had no Jaylen then so we weren't expected to beat the Nets but the disappointment and calls for heads to roll were similar.

Maybe. I can see what you're saying, but to my mind Mamba mentality is marketing, in a way - you quite simply don't make it to the NBA if you're not driven to compete, no matter how insanely talented you are - and I think the natural conclusion that 'Mamba mentality' points to (the idea that there are NBA players out there who don't prefer winning to losing as much as, say, Kobe) is as nice for a narrative to sell sneakers as it is detached from reality.

In other words, Kobe didn't win because he was a workaholic jerk, Kobe was a workaholic jerk who won. There are other successful guys who fit this narrative (MJ, KG, et al) but there are just as many guys who don't - do we really think someone like Tim Duncan didn't care about winning as much as those guys?

[Celtics4ever]

Fire Joe at Halftime and pick a player coach.  JK

Why are you kidding?

I was only half kidding

if I could sum up this season in one word that word would be squandered.   What a disappointment.

[SHAQATTACK]

The Good ship Celtic has been sailing though mostly calm seas ,  with a rookie captain ,  but as the seas got more difficult and the situations more dire it began to flounder. But, hadn’t the crew managed a few mild storms by themselves ?

Then oceans churned , the hurricane hit . An experienced clear voice to pilot the ship was not heard , as not one of the crew or coach has a true captains nature among  them .

The Captain hesitated. The storm roared. The boat pitched hard .

No one grabbed the rudder ,  the crew saw this and they stop rowing .

We know what happened next.

[cman88]

Joe has lost the locker room. once that happens, there is no coming back.

[liam]

Tatum and brown combined for 1 free throw.

[kraidstar]

What’s the future for Joe Mazzulla? — 11:00 p.m.
Eddie House on NBC Sports Boston’s broadcast: “[dang] that. Let me say this. I feel like the Celtics have quit on their coach. Call it what we really see. I feel that those guys out there don’t believe in what their coach is doing. ... I don’t believe they really believe in Joe Mazzulla.”

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2023/05/21/sports/celtics-heat-live-score-analysis-nba-playoffs/?p1=BGLiveUpdates_Link#what's_the_future_for_joe_mazzulla

so maybe that joking conversation about the players tanking in the playoffs to get their coach replaced is true? omg
even if you hate what the coach is doing, that lack of effort was pathetic...

We can blame the coaching all day long, but the bottom line is that these guys don't play for EACH OTHER.

And there have been problems in this locker room since the last second meltdown against Toronto in the bubble. That was the moment this became a choking team that didn't trust one another.

Ime whipped them into shape temporarily, but there is no leadership on this squad.

Smart is a flaming hypocrite. I'm tired of his lack of composure. His cavalier attitude is the top reason we blow leads. He needs to be gone.

Horford is a choking dog. Gone. Get him out. I don't care about his supposed leadership and experience. If what he's doing is leading then I don't want leaders.

Get rid of the coach and vets. No more excuses for our spoiled, passive-aggressive stars. Let these cowards finally assume the responsibility - and the blame - when they inevitably choke again.

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

What’s the future for Joe Mazzulla? — 11:00 p.m.
Eddie House on NBC Sports Boston’s broadcast: “[dang] that. Let me say this. I feel like the Celtics have quit on their coach. Call it what we really see. I feel that those guys out there don’t believe in what their coach is doing. ... I don’t believe they really believe in Joe Mazzulla.”

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2023/05/21/sports/celtics-heat-live-score-analysis-nba-playoffs/?p1=BGLiveUpdates_Link#what's_the_future_for_joe_mazzulla

so maybe that joking conversation about the players tanking in the playoffs to get their coach replaced is true? omg
even if you hate what the coach is doing, that lack of effort was pathetic...

We can blame the coaching all day long, but the bottom line is that these guys don't play for EACH OTHER.

And there have been problems in this locker room since the last second meltdown against Toronto in the bubble. That was the moment this became a choking team that didn't trust one another.

Ime whipped them into shape temporarily, but there is no leadership on this squad.

Smart is a flaming hypocrite. I'm tired of his lack of composure. His cavalier attitude is the top reason we blow leads. He needs to be gone.

Horford is a choking dog. Gone. Get him out. I don't care about his supposed leadership and experience. If what he's doing is leading then I don't want leaders.

Get rid of the coach and vets. No more excuses for our spoiled, passive-aggressive stars. Let these cowards finally assume the responsibility - and the blame - when they inevitably choke again.

yeah that concerns me as well. i think we have some possible cancers on this team that need to go.

[johnnygreen]

At halftime last night, I decided to watch a movie instead.

[SHAQATTACK]

What’s the future for Joe Mazzulla? — 11:00 p.m.
Eddie House on NBC Sports Boston’s broadcast: “[dang] that. Let me say this. I feel like the Celtics have quit on their coach. Call it what we really see. I feel that those guys out there don’t believe in what their coach is doing. ... I don’t believe they really believe in Joe Mazzulla.”

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2023/05/21/sports/celtics-heat-live-score-analysis-nba-playoffs/?p1=BGLiveUpdates_Link#what's_the_future_for_joe_mazzulla

so maybe that joking conversation about the players tanking in the playoffs to get their coach replaced is true? omg
even if you hate what the coach is doing, that lack of effort was pathetic...

We can blame the coaching all day long, but the bottom line is that these guys don't play for EACH OTHER.

And there have been problems in this locker room since the last second meltdown against Toronto in the bubble. That was the moment this became a choking team that didn't trust one another.

Ime whipped them into shape temporarily, but there is no leadership on this squad.

Smart is a flaming hypocrite. I'm tired of his lack of composure. His cavalier attitude is the top reason we blow leads. He needs to be gone.

Horford is a choking dog. Gone. Get him out. I don't care about his supposed leadership and experience. If what he's doing is leading then I don't want leaders.

Get rid of the coach and vets. No more excuses for our spoiled, passive-aggressive stars. Let these cowards finally assume the responsibility - and the blame - when they inevitably choke again.

Yup , this is where I’m at .  Ime wanted a captain ,  but the team was …oh ….we don’t need a captain, we are all equal …..this is the same b-poo that Kyrie and KD told the nets . We don’t need to be told what to do ….we can coach ourselves. So Ime stepped in and took a harder coaching role because the group was too soft on each to demand excellence and accountability.

Ime helped the situation a lot once he got to know the guys individually,  but THEY still have not United as team and bonded.  They are like a band of hippies in a 60’s nature camp with nobody to account to .  It becomes a mess of I don’t cares individuals waiting on somebody else to speak up.
 Tatum and Brown are the stars,  they need to act like stars .  Lead THEIR team ….it’s not an All Star team …which I could understand if everybody was top 10 players .  The rest of the team needs to rely on the STARS to led the way …..it’s not Rocket science.

There is another guy who reminds me of Tatum and Brown …that’s Paul George …..nice dude but he isn’t ever going to mentally take a team on his back as their leader , yet he is generally the best player on the court .
Brad …avoiding the Bron , Green personality types ….leaders who don’t mind telling others to play hard , wake up etc…..has left us with a bunch of softy types ,that winning doesn’t seem to matter .  The team needs vocal leaders .  Al is a great father figure , kind , soft spoken , smart , and he reminds me of Ward Clever …the Beavers father.  Too nice.

Wyc and Brad and who ever ….really started this mess with the crucifixion of Ime ……they warned him ,  then hung him.  How about a little four week suspension and a bit of public humiliation.  But somebody wanted him dead and buried.   

I saw this coming , I never was comfortable or thought the players were going to take the reins and be able to hold themselves accountable. 

Getting rid of a strong voiced coach just set the team back , back to Brad Stevens who is a poor azzed leader , great x and O coach …but no man voice to listen to ….very very weak acting and not a leader …maybe Boy Scouts …..not men,

[angryguy77]

What’s the future for Joe Mazzulla? — 11:00 p.m.
Eddie House on NBC Sports Boston’s broadcast: “[dang] that. Let me say this. I feel like the Celtics have quit on their coach. Call it what we really see. I feel that those guys out there don’t believe in what their coach is doing. ... I don’t believe they really believe in Joe Mazzulla.”

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2023/05/21/sports/celtics-heat-live-score-analysis-nba-playoffs/?p1=BGLiveUpdates_Link#what's_the_future_for_joe_mazzulla

so maybe that joking conversation about the players tanking in the playoffs to get their coach replaced is true? omg
even if you hate what the coach is doing, that lack of effort was pathetic...

We can blame the coaching all day long, but the bottom line is that these guys don't play for EACH OTHER.

And there have been problems in this locker room since the last second meltdown against Toronto in the bubble. That was the moment this became a choking team that didn't trust one another.

Ime whipped them into shape temporarily, but there is no leadership on this squad.

Smart is a flaming hypocrite. I'm tired of his lack of composure. His cavalier attitude is the top reason we blow leads. He needs to be gone.

Horford is a choking dog. Gone. Get him out. I don't care about his supposed leadership and experience. If what he's doing is leading then I don't want leaders.

Get rid of the coach and vets. No more excuses for our spoiled, passive-aggressive stars. Let these cowards finally assume the responsibility - and the blame - when they inevitably choke again.

yeah that concerns me as well. i think we have some possible cancers on this team that need to go.

Aside from the coach needing to be tossed, there has to be a shift in mental attitude. It's true this team has had the same issues for 3 different coaches, but the question is could a experienced coach whip them into shape? IDK. I wonder if they hire Nurse, and give him until the trade deadline to transform  them. Tatum needs to be that leader the team needs. Brown has to be better at complimenting consistently and learn how to freaking dribble a ball. Smart cannot keep being the court jester when we get up by 15 and make boneheaded TO's etc. Everyone sans Tatum is a trade asset at this point and if they don't get it together, they're shipped off. I don't believe age is going to solve this issue, it's going to take ether a touch coach holding them accountable(Something not done yet) or a roster refresh.

We are on the cusp, they just need the right guy to take them there.

[SHAQATTACK]

Brown and especially Tatum act like being THE leaders is NOT in their job description.

They make the big contracts , unwritten laws of competition since the beginning of time , in athletic endeavors, the leadership roles falls in the lap of the best players.

Somewhere along the line , something went wrong.


Solution …for now


Fire Joe ASAP …..no assistant s will want to coach under him now …he is toast ….and will need to start over on another team at a n assistant level.

Hire coach Bud or Nick

Then mandate …Brown and Tatum “ Must become “ co-captains of the Celtics .  No if buts and or r’s .  They need this team title hung around their necks to  help remind them of their responsibility to the rest of the team

[Phantom255x]

Saw this on Twitter and it made me giggle

I hope the Celtics win Game 4 so that they can get booed one last time at TD Garden.