Give me Davis and Beal please

[SparzWizard]

No.

Hayward has no value to New Orleans as a project with a huge cap hit, and the rest of that package just isn’t enough.

The only potentially valuable thing you’ve given Washington is the MEM pick.

Neither the Pels nor the Grizzlies do this.

Also, it’s time that people get used to the idea of trading both Tatum and Brown for AD.  Tatum has not shown the growth that would have potentially allowed us to headline the package with him alone.  We probably aren’t getting AD unless we include both Tatum and Brown, and we sure as hell aren’t getting AD AND another star for Tatum and bits. 

The AD deal, if we even pull it off, will hurt.

It's funny, because a couple of months ago I created a thread/poll asking which player (along with Tatum) fans would rather give up for AD: Brown or Smart, and more people chose Brown as the player to trade. I was actually quite surprised by the results, but I guess my point is, people apparently aren't going to be too heartbroken if Tatum and Brown are gone, but Smart is still here.

Personally, I hope we do what we can to hold on to Brown, but I also understand that in 2020 he is going to get a pretty hefty pay raise. We all know what Smart will be making then.

As for Beal, yeah, of course I would deal Hayward (not your proposal, but just swapping parts) for him. I mean, Hayward seems to be coming around and he should be all the way back next season, but Beal would fill that Ray Allen role very nicely in the new new big 3. I guess Kyrie has to PP.

I'd make that Tatum + Brown package deal for Anthony Davis 10 out of 10 times. Many are hesitant to give up both, let alone one.

Tatum has been disappointing this year with his inconsistencies. Brown has been playing well and increasing his value therefore the C's need an outgoing piece that'll entice the package. Add in the four picks, and a filler.

In return, the Celtics get a generational talent player with PER numbers comparable to LeBron James and Michael Jordan. Of course, that is only if the Pelicans will accept this offer lol.

[IDreamCeltics]

No.

Hayward has no value to New Orleans as a project with a huge cap hit, and the rest of that package just isn’t enough.

The only potentially valuable thing you’ve given Washington is the MEM pick.

Neither the Pels nor the Grizzlies do this.

Also, it’s time that people get used to the idea of trading both Tatum and Brown for AD.  Tatum has not shown the growth that would have potentially allowed us to headline the package with him alone.  We probably aren’t getting AD unless we include both Tatum and Brown, and we sure as hell aren’t getting AD AND another star for Tatum and bits. 

The AD deal, if we even pull it off, will hurt.

They're not gonna get that much for AD. Look at any other deal for star players with expiring contracts (Paul George and Kawhi). Tatum, Smart/Rozier, maybe Williams, and a bunch of picks are about par for the course. Plus if they were really that enamored with Tatum before, I don't think a few speed bumps will phase them much.

With all due respect George got traded for Oladipo and Kawhi got traded for Demar DeRozan... Franchise guys were exchanged in both deals.

Hayward is not currently (and likely never was) a franchise player, and Tatum doesn't look like much more than a shooter right now.... I fail to see what New Orleans fans get back that doesn't end with them burning their jerseys.

[RPGenerate]

No.

Hayward has no value to New Orleans as a project with a huge cap hit, and the rest of that package just isn’t enough.

The only potentially valuable thing you’ve given Washington is the MEM pick.

Neither the Pels nor the Grizzlies do this.

Also, it’s time that people get used to the idea of trading both Tatum and Brown for AD.  Tatum has not shown the growth that would have potentially allowed us to headline the package with him alone.  We probably aren’t getting AD unless we include both Tatum and Brown, and we sure as hell aren’t getting AD AND another star for Tatum and bits. 

The AD deal, if we even pull it off, will hurt.

They're not gonna get that much for AD. Look at any other deal for star players with expiring contracts (Paul George and Kawhi). Tatum, Smart/Rozier, maybe Williams, and a bunch of picks are about par for the course. Plus if they were really that enamored with Tatum before, I don't think a few speed bumps will phase them much.

With all due respect George got traded for Oladipo and Kawhi got traded for Demar DeRozan... Franchise guys were exchanged in both deals.

Hayward is not currently (and likely never was) a franchise player, and Tatum doesn't look like much more than a shooter right now.... I fail to see what New Orleans fans get back that doesn't end with them burning their jerseys.

Except Victor Oladipo wasn't even close to a franchise guy in his year with the Thunder, and everyone was pretty down on him, calling him an overpaid role player. Defrozen stock was also rather low after being exposed multiple times in the playoffs. I'd argue that Tatum's stock is higher than either of those guys when they were traded.

[Silky]

No.

Hayward has no value to New Orleans as a project with a huge cap hit, and the rest of that package just isn’t enough.

The only potentially valuable thing you’ve given Washington is the MEM pick.

Neither the Pels nor the Grizzlies do this.

Also, it’s time that people get used to the idea of trading both Tatum and Brown for AD.  Tatum has not shown the growth that would have potentially allowed us to headline the package with him alone.  We probably aren’t getting AD unless we include both Tatum and Brown, and we sure as hell aren’t getting AD AND another star for Tatum and bits. 

The AD deal, if we even pull it off, will hurt.

It's funny, because a couple of months ago I created a thread/poll asking which player (along with Tatum) fans would rather give up for AD: Brown or Smart, and more people chose Brown as the player to trade. I was actually quite surprised by the results, but I guess my point is, people apparently aren't going to be too heartbroken if Tatum and Brown are gone, but Smart is still here.

Personally, I hope we do what we can to hold on to Brown, but I also understand that in 2020 he is going to get a pretty hefty pay raise. We all know what Smart will be making then.

As for Beal, yeah, of course I would deal Hayward (not your proposal, but just swapping parts) for him. I mean, Hayward seems to be coming around and he should be all the way back next season, but Beal would fill that Ray Allen role very nicely in the new new big 3. I guess Kyrie has to PP.

I'd make that Tatum + Brown package deal for Anthony Davis 10 out of 10 times. Many are hesitant to give up both, let alone one.

Tatum has been disappointing this year with his inconsistencies. Brown has been playing well and increasing his value therefore the C's need an outgoing piece that'll entice the package. Add in the four picks, and a filler.

In return, the Celtics get a generational talent player with PER numbers comparable to LeBron James and Michael Jordan. Of course, that is only if the Pelicans will accept this offer lol.

So basically you are advocating Brown + Tatum+ 4 first rounders( 2 of which are lotto) + salary filler (which will most likely have to be smart) for 1 guaranteed year of Davis?

[jambr380]

No.

Hayward has no value to New Orleans as a project with a huge cap hit, and the rest of that package just isn’t enough.

The only potentially valuable thing you’ve given Washington is the MEM pick.

Neither the Pels nor the Grizzlies do this.

Also, it’s time that people get used to the idea of trading both Tatum and Brown for AD.  Tatum has not shown the growth that would have potentially allowed us to headline the package with him alone.  We probably aren’t getting AD unless we include both Tatum and Brown, and we sure as hell aren’t getting AD AND another star for Tatum and bits. 

The AD deal, if we even pull it off, will hurt.

It's funny, because a couple of months ago I created a thread/poll asking which player (along with Tatum) fans would rather give up for AD: Brown or Smart, and more people chose Brown as the player to trade. I was actually quite surprised by the results, but I guess my point is, people apparently aren't going to be too heartbroken if Tatum and Brown are gone, but Smart is still here.

Personally, I hope we do what we can to hold on to Brown, but I also understand that in 2020 he is going to get a pretty hefty pay raise. We all know what Smart will be making then.

As for Beal, yeah, of course I would deal Hayward (not your proposal, but just swapping parts) for him. I mean, Hayward seems to be coming around and he should be all the way back next season, but Beal would fill that Ray Allen role very nicely in the new new big 3. I guess Kyrie has to PP.

I'd make that Tatum + Brown package deal for Anthony Davis 10 out of 10 times. Many are hesitant to give up both, let alone one.

Tatum has been disappointing this year with his inconsistencies. Brown has been playing well and increasing his value therefore the C's need an outgoing piece that'll entice the package. Add in the four picks, and a filler.

In return, the Celtics get a generational talent player with PER numbers comparable to LeBron James and Michael Jordan. Of course, that is only if the Pelicans will accept this offer lol.

So basically you are advocating Brown + Tatum+ 4 first rounders( 2 of which are lotto) + salary filler (which will most likely have to be smart) for 1 guaranteed year of Davis?

I think if both Tatum and Brown are going out in a package, then the 4 picks are no longer on the table - especially the Memphis one which isn't even slated to be for this year (and the salary for that pick wouldn't count).

I see NOP salivating over a Tatum/Smart package, though. The former slated as a future star and the latter helping transform the team's culture. Again, I would hope to keep the MEM pick out of the deal. We can do three picks this year alone. It will really depend what other teams are offering and if Zion (with other plus assets) is being offered.

[footey]

No.

Hayward has no value to New Orleans as a project with a huge cap hit, and the rest of that package just isn’t enough.

The only potentially valuable thing you’ve given Washington is the MEM pick.

Neither the Pels nor the Grizzlies do this.

Also, it’s time that people get used to the idea of trading both Tatum and Brown for AD.  Tatum has not shown the growth that would have potentially allowed us to headline the package with him alone.  We probably aren’t getting AD unless we include both Tatum and Brown, and we sure as hell aren’t getting AD AND another star for Tatum and bits. 

The AD deal, if we even pull it off, will hurt.

It's funny, because a couple of months ago I created a thread/poll asking which player (along with Tatum) fans would rather give up for AD: Brown or Smart, and more people chose Brown as the player to trade. I was actually quite surprised by the results, but I guess my point is, people apparently aren't going to be too heartbroken if Tatum and Brown are gone, but Smart is still here.

Personally, I hope we do what we can to hold on to Brown, but I also understand that in 2020 he is going to get a pretty hefty pay raise. We all know what Smart will be making then.

As for Beal, yeah, of course I would deal Hayward (not your proposal, but just swapping parts) for him. I mean, Hayward seems to be coming around and he should be all the way back next season, but Beal would fill that Ray Allen role very nicely in the new new big 3. I guess Kyrie has to PP.

I'd make that Tatum + Brown package deal for Anthony Davis 10 out of 10 times. Many are hesitant to give up both, let alone one.

Tatum has been disappointing this year with his inconsistencies. Brown has been playing well and increasing his value therefore the C's need an outgoing piece that'll entice the package. Add in the four picks, and a filler.

In return, the Celtics get a generational talent player with PER numbers comparable to LeBron James and Michael Jordan. Of course, that is only if the Pelicans will accept this offer lol.

So basically you are advocating Brown + Tatum+ 4 first rounders( 2 of which are lotto) + salary filler (which will most likely have to be smart) for 1 guaranteed year of Davis?

I think if both Tatum and Brown are going out in a package, then the 4 picks are no longer on the table - especially the Memphis one which isn't even slated to be for this year (and the salary for that pick wouldn't count).

I see NOP salivating over a Tatum/Smart package, though. The former slated as a future star and the latter helping transform the team's culture. Again, I would hope to keep the MEM pick out of the deal. We can do three picks this year alone. It will really depend what other teams are offering and if Zion (with other plus assets) is being offered.

Seems that 2/3 of Tatum/Brown/Smart will be needed to get it done.  If so, and if Danny wants to do the trade on that basis, will be interesting to see which 2 he is willing to give up. If NOP insists on Tatum plus one of Brown or Smart, whom do we keep?  I can see good arguments both ways.  Since the trade would mean we are going for it all next season, Smart is probably a better one to keep than Brown. He is under contract control longer, and as you put so well, is the centerpiece of our team culture.  He also seems to be a better complement to Kyrie in backcourt than Brown.

[nickagneta]

No.

Hayward has no value to New Orleans as a project with a huge cap hit, and the rest of that package just isn’t enough.

The only potentially valuable thing you’ve given Washington is the MEM pick.

Neither the Pels nor the Grizzlies do this.

Also, it’s time that people get used to the idea of trading both Tatum and Brown for AD.  Tatum has not shown the growth that would have potentially allowed us to headline the package with him alone.  We probably aren’t getting AD unless we include both Tatum and Brown, and we sure as hell aren’t getting AD AND another star for Tatum and bits. 

The AD deal, if we even pull it off, will hurt.

It's funny, because a couple of months ago I created a thread/poll asking which player (along with Tatum) fans would rather give up for AD: Brown or Smart, and more people chose Brown as the player to trade. I was actually quite surprised by the results, but I guess my point is, people apparently aren't going to be too heartbroken if Tatum and Brown are gone, but Smart is still here.

Personally, I hope we do what we can to hold on to Brown, but I also understand that in 2020 he is going to get a pretty hefty pay raise. We all know what Smart will be making then.

As for Beal, yeah, of course I would deal Hayward (not your proposal, but just swapping parts) for him. I mean, Hayward seems to be coming around and he should be all the way back next season, but Beal would fill that Ray Allen role very nicely in the new new big 3. I guess Kyrie has to PP.

I'd make that Tatum + Brown package deal for Anthony Davis 10 out of 10 times. Many are hesitant to give up both, let alone one.

Tatum has been disappointing this year with his inconsistencies. Brown has been playing well and increasing his value therefore the C's need an outgoing piece that'll entice the package. Add in the four picks, and a filler.

In return, the Celtics get a generational talent player with PER numbers comparable to LeBron James and Michael Jordan. Of course, that is only if the Pelicans will accept this offer lol.

So basically you are advocating Brown + Tatum+ 4 first rounders( 2 of which are lotto) + salary filler (which will most likely have to be smart) for 1 guaranteed year of Davis?

I think if both Tatum and Brown are going out in a package, then the 4 picks are no longer on the table - especially the Memphis one which isn't even slated to be for this year (and the salary for that pick wouldn't count).

I see NOP salivating over a Tatum/Smart package, though. The former slated as a future star and the latter helping transform the team's culture. Again, I would hope to keep the MEM pick out of the deal. We can do three picks this year alone. It will really depend what other teams are offering and if Zion (with other plus assets) is being offered.

Seems that 2/3 of Tatum/Brown/Smart will be needed to get it done.  If so, and if Danny wants to do the trade on that basis, will be interesting to see which 2 he is willing to give up. If NOP insists on Tatum plus one of Brown or Smart, whom do we keep?  I can see good arguments both ways.  Since the trade would mean we are going for it all next season, Smart is probably a better one to keep than Brown. He is under contract control longer, and as you put so well, is the centerpiece of our team culture.  He also seems to be a better complement to Kyrie in backcourt than Brown.

If you are thinking long term on who you want to keep, by far it's Brown over Smart. Brown is a better player now. He is cheaper next year. You can easily extend him and have control longer. And Brown has huge upside still to tap into. Smart has most likely reached his peak.

[Big333223]

I'd rather trade Hayward than Smart or Brown, honestly. Hopefully he has a really good playoff run and gets on some radars as an asset again.

Tatum, Hayward, Mem pick, Sac pick, Clip pick for Davis and E'Twaun Moore. Is there any team that's going to actually beat that offer?

[Silky]

I'd rather trade Hayward than Smart or Brown, honestly. Hopefully he has a really good playoff run and gets on some radars as an asset again.

Tatum, Hayward, Mem pick, Sac pick, Clip pick for Davis and E'Twaun Moore. Is there any team that's going to actually beat that offer?

I would drop out the sacramento oick out of the offer too imo.

Tatum, Hayward, Memphis pick, Clip Pick and Boston pick 2019 and 2021(protected Lotto) for Davis and Moore

[gouki88]

I'd rather trade Hayward than Smart or Brown, honestly. Hopefully he has a really good playoff run and gets on some radars as an asset again.

Tatum, Hayward, Mem pick, Sac pick, Clip pick for Davis and E'Twaun Moore. Is there any team that's going to actually beat that offer?

I would absolutely much rather trade Smart than Hayward, and if he returns to Utah form (which is what he seems to be trending towards) then I'd probably rather move Brown too

[tenn_smoothie]

Just amazes me how easily people have dismissed Jayson Tatum future superstar potential because of his struggles this season. He's a 20-year old kid who has been blindsided with all kinds of conflict, drama and chemistry issues not of his making. I believe most of his troubles this year have been due to mental and emotional factors, not physical or talent related. He has been genuinely confused about how he is supposed to play. Having said that, I do think that working with Kobe Bryant this summer has not been a good thing for Tatum.

[gouki88]

Just amazes me how easily people have dismissed Jayson Tatum future superstar potential because of his struggles this season. He's a 20-year old kid who has been blindsided with all kinds of conflict, drama and chemistry issues not of his making. I believe most of his troubles this year have been due to mental and emotional factors, not physical or talent related. He has been genuinely confused about how he is supposed to play. Having said that, I do think that working with Kobe Bryant this summer has not been a good thing for Tatum.

This is especially true when you consider his play before the AD trade vs after it. He has gotten considerably worse since then.
Not sure if he's checked out or whatever, but it's lame

[Big333223]

Just amazes me how easily people have dismissed Jayson Tatum future superstar potential because of his struggles this season. He's a 20-year old kid who has been blindsided with all kinds of conflict, drama and chemistry issues not of his making. I believe most of his troubles this year have been due to mental and emotional factors, not physical or talent related. He has been genuinely confused about how he is supposed to play. Having said that, I do think that working with Kobe Bryant this summer has not been a good thing for Tatum.

I don't mean to dismiss his potential. He still has star potential. But I now think his ceiling is more likely Paul Pierce than Kevin Durant. And while I love Pierce and would love to see Tatum become a 10-time all star in Boston, that chance to trade Paul Pierce for Tim Duncan shouldn't be passed up.

I'd rather trade Hayward than Smart or Brown, honestly. Hopefully he has a really good playoff run and gets on some radars as an asset again.

Tatum, Hayward, Mem pick, Sac pick, Clip pick for Davis and E'Twaun Moore. Is there any team that's going to actually beat that offer?

I would absolutely much rather trade Smart than Hayward, and if he returns to Utah form (which is what he seems to be trending towards) then I'd probably rather move Brown too

I don't see Hayward trending anywhere. He's still pretty up and down. And if the team has Irving and Davis, I like what Smart brings to the table on a contract 1/3 the size.

[gouki88]

Just amazes me how easily people have dismissed Jayson Tatum future superstar potential because of his struggles this season. He's a 20-year old kid who has been blindsided with all kinds of conflict, drama and chemistry issues not of his making. I believe most of his troubles this year have been due to mental and emotional factors, not physical or talent related. He has been genuinely confused about how he is supposed to play. Having said that, I do think that working with Kobe Bryant this summer has not been a good thing for Tatum.

I don't mean to dismiss his potential. He still has star potential. But I now think his ceiling is more likely Paul Pierce than Kevin Durant. And while I love Pierce and would love to see Tatum become a 10-time all star in Boston, that chance to trade Paul Pierce for Tim Duncan shouldn't be passed up.

I'd rather trade Hayward than Smart or Brown, honestly. Hopefully he has a really good playoff run and gets on some radars as an asset again.

Tatum, Hayward, Mem pick, Sac pick, Clip pick for Davis and E'Twaun Moore. Is there any team that's going to actually beat that offer?

I would absolutely much rather trade Smart than Hayward, and if he returns to Utah form (which is what he seems to be trending towards) then I'd probably rather move Brown too

I don't see Hayward trending anywhere. He's still pretty up and down. And if the team has Irving and Davis, I like what Smart brings to the table on a contract 1/3 the size.

Agree to disagree then. He's pretty obviously improved month by month, so unsure how you can dismiss that, but go ahead. Your point isn't really credited by you grossly misrepresenting the contract sizes of Smart and Hayward either

[Big333223]

Just amazes me how easily people have dismissed Jayson Tatum future superstar potential because of his struggles this season. He's a 20-year old kid who has been blindsided with all kinds of conflict, drama and chemistry issues not of his making. I believe most of his troubles this year have been due to mental and emotional factors, not physical or talent related. He has been genuinely confused about how he is supposed to play. Having said that, I do think that working with Kobe Bryant this summer has not been a good thing for Tatum.

I don't mean to dismiss his potential. He still has star potential. But I now think his ceiling is more likely Paul Pierce than Kevin Durant. And while I love Pierce and would love to see Tatum become a 10-time all star in Boston, that chance to trade Paul Pierce for Tim Duncan shouldn't be passed up.

I'd rather trade Hayward than Smart or Brown, honestly. Hopefully he has a really good playoff run and gets on some radars as an asset again.

Tatum, Hayward, Mem pick, Sac pick, Clip pick for Davis and E'Twaun Moore. Is there any team that's going to actually beat that offer?

I would absolutely much rather trade Smart than Hayward, and if he returns to Utah form (which is what he seems to be trending towards) then I'd probably rather move Brown too

I don't see Hayward trending anywhere. He's still pretty up and down. And if the team has Irving and Davis, I like what Smart brings to the table on a contract 1/3 the size.

Agree to disagree then. He's pretty obviously improved month by month, so unsure how you can dismiss that, but go ahead. Your point isn't really credited by you grossly misrepresenting the contract sizes of Smart and Hayward either

1. Next season Smart makes $12.0 mil and Hayward makes $32.7 mil. Smart's contract is 37% of Hayward's. Calling that 1/3 isn't exact but it is by no means a gross misrepresentation.

2. Hayward is definitely better now than he was at the start of the season and his FG% has been steadily increasing but the rest of his numbers have been pretty stagnant all year and he still has some pretty awful stinkers.