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The purpose here is to show your team and get feedback while also starting to describe how your idea of the way that your team will work, regarding rotations, minutes, sub packages, etc. etc. For reference here is a link to the Roster Post in the main CB Draft Thread:
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=67286.msg1537683#msg1537683
A couple of quick rules and guidelines:
1. The rules of the draft and the blog are still in place. Be respectful and give opinions in a manner that isn't insulting or demeaning and also take the critiques of your team like a grown mature adult. Its constructive criticism, take it as such and don't take it personal. Also don't make it personal.
2. Post your team's roster and depth chart here and explain how it will work. This should help you considerably when it comes time for preparing the pressers after Labor Day.
3. If you want feedback on your team and get feedback on your team, be good enough to do the same for others. One back scratches the other, or so they say.
And that's it. Have fun.
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I guess I'll start:
Jrue Holiday
Danny Green
Shawn Marion
David Lee
Tyson Chandler
Sixth Man: J.R. Smith
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I guess I'll start:
Jrue Holiday
Danny Green
Shawn Marion
David Lee
Tyson Chandler
Sixth Man: J.R. Smith
This to me seems like a team missing a star and instead is surrounding David Lee. Chandler can be a difference maker on a title team but without great offensive weapons around him he's not as effective. Green is a great 5th man on a contender. Marion provides veteran savvy and flashes of his old self that would help a contender. Jrue is a going to be a very good PG, but he doesn't put a team over the top. Lee is an all star and you could even convince me that he's a 2nd banana on a contender but I don't buy him as a team's best player.
This team reminds me a lot of the 2010 Mavs but swapping Dirk for David Lee.
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THE HEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT!
PG: Steve Nash
SG: Gordon Hayward
SF: Chandler Parsons
PF: Josh Smith
C: Chris Bosh
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THE HEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT!
PG: Steve Nasg
SG: Gordon hayward
SF: Chandler Parsons
PF: Josh Smith
C: Chris Bosh
I really like the fit of your starting 5. Despite a down year, Nash is still one of the better point guards in the league and would strive with this roster. You won't have any troubles scoring and shooting, that's for sure. I can see Bosh going back to his 20-10 days now that he is a first option and Nash would make it easier for him and Smith to find easy shots. Your wings in Hayward and Parsons will do what you need them to do, defend and shoot. Each player compliments each other very well. Good job!
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THE HEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT!
PG: Steve Nasg
SG: Gordon hayward
SF: Chandler Parsons
PF: Josh Smith
C: Chris Bosh
The floor spacing on this team is tremendous. This team looks like it can run and I can see Nash putting up some nice numbers. My only issue with this team is on the defensive end as Nash is a liability and I'd assume Hayward and Parsons are probably average. I like this team a lot and can see it beating alot of small ball teams, but think it will struggle against teams that don't go small.
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THE HEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT!
PG: Steve Nasg
SG: Gordon hayward
SF: Chandler Parsons
PF: Josh Smith
C: Chris Bosh
I really like the fit of your starting 5. Despite a down year, Nash is still one of the better point guards in the league and would strive with this roster. You won't have any troubles scoring and shooting, that's for sure. I can see Bosh going back to his 20-10 days now that he is a first option and Nash would make it easier for him and Smith to find easy shots. Your wings in Hayward and Parsons will do what you need them to do, defend and shoot. Each player compliments each other very well. Good job!
Thanks Big Al! FWIW, I think you're one move away from being my favorite to win the West.
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I guess I'll start:
Jrue Holiday
Danny Green
Shawn Marion
David Lee
Tyson Chandler
Sixth Man: J.R. Smith
Not to piggy back off of what KC said, but I think this team lacks a star. I love where you get Chandler and thought it was great value as he is still one of the premier defensive anchors in the game.
I know you love your Marion/Green combo from DKC and it works well. However, I feel they may be asked to do a bit much in this offense.
Holiday is a very good PG but I'm not sure he can be "the man". Same for Lee.
All in all, lots of good hard workers and high IQ but when this team really needs a bucket, who is going to take it?
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Okay, I've been hesitant to ask people what they think of my team all draft because I wanted to finish my roster before I do that. But I changed my mind.
PG: Goran Dragic
SG: James Harden
SF: Nic Batum
PF: Al Jefferson
C: Marcin Gortat
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I guess I'll start:
Jrue Holiday
Danny Green
Shawn Marion
David Lee
Tyson Chandler
Sixth Man: J.R. Smith
Not to piggy back off of what KC said, but I think this team lacks a star. I love where you get Chandler and thought it was great value as he is still one of the premier defensive anchors in the game.
I know you love your Marion/Green combo from DKC and it works well. However, I feel they may be asked to do a bit much in this offense.
Holiday is a very good PG but I'm not sure he can be "the man". Same for Lee.
All in all, lots of good hard workers and high IQ but when this team really needs a bucket, who is going to take it?
Now I don't have a superstar, but I have a bunch of nice players as for scoring I have 3 guys in the top 25:
David Lee #15 (18.5)
J.R. Smith #17 (18.1)
Jrue Holiday #22 (17.7)
As for a closer I'm still trying to get one, but I don't see scoring as a problem.
(Actually I don't know if you want people to talk about your team so I'll wait to see if you put up your roster.
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THE HEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT!
PG: Steve Nash
SG: Gordon Hayward
SF: Chandler Parsons
PF: Josh Smith
C: Chris Bosh
This is a very deadly offensive team. A ton of room for Nash to work around with all players able to hit mid range to long bombs.
My only concern is size in the interior. While Smoove is a good shot blocker and Bosh is long and has shown to be a terrific defender, they may not be physical enough to battle the burly bigs grinding guys the other teams have and that might take a toll on the team all together, whether it is fatigue or foul trouble.
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I guess I'll start:
Jrue Holiday
Danny Green
Shawn Marion
David Lee
Tyson Chandler
Sixth Man: J.R. Smith
This is a well built team. I still think you're better of with LMA to keep the opponent defense on their toes because they have to double team him. Holiday and Lee, while good offensive players doesn't command that much attention.
This team will rebound with Chandler and Lee, it'll be hard to outrebound this team.
But overall, it's a very good built team.
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Okay, I've been hesitant to ask people what they think of my team all draft because I wanted to finish my roster before I do that. But I changed my mind.
PG: Goran Dragic
SG: James Harden
SF: Nic Batum
PF: Al Jefferson
C: Marcin Gortat
I love your wings, like Dragic, and like Big Al and Gortat, but hate them together.
As a cohesive team, I worry about the defense. I'm not sure that Dragic or Harden play enough defense to stop penetration, and Big Al is going to get killed playing defense at power forward. Because of that, your team is going to struggle to win games.
I'd move one of Big Al or Gortat, and find a better complement for the other. You really need a more mobile PF defender. I think that would really help bring your entire team together well.
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Placeholder for when LA is ready to hear about themselves ;)
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Me, me... How about mine... ;D
Nuggets
Damian Lillard
TBD
Wilson Chandler
Greg Monroe
Andrew Bogut
Bench: Anderson Varejao, Kyle Lowry
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I guess I'll start:
Jrue Holiday
Danny Green
Shawn Marion
David Lee
Tyson Chandler
Sixth Man: J.R. Smith
I'll echo what a lot of people are going to say: you've got a lot of talent, but it lacks that go-to star-quality player. I don't think that Jrue can be that guy consistently, and neither can Lee. Green, Marion, and Chandler are role players (all of whom are good, but none can take over a game offensively.)
I'm disappointed, because this team was built to contend. You had the elite defenders at SF and C, with good perimeter defense from Green and Holiday. You had the inside / outside game with Aldridge, who can carry a team's offense.
Sacrificing Aldridge for a downgrade at PF and a talented but injured malcontent seems like a misstep.
I don't like harping on this, because it causes hurt feelings. However, the only way I can see you contending again is finding somebody to take that fourth quarter go-to guy role that Aldridge had.
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Landry has been traded pending confirmation, so that's pretty much the team right there.
I want to hear this Landry trade. Disappointed you moved him, but I understand why playing him as a 4th big man was a luxury.
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I guess I'll start:
Jrue Holiday
Danny Green
Shawn Marion
David Lee
Tyson Chandler
Sixth Man: J.R. Smith
I'll echo what a lot of people are going to say: you've got a lot of talent, but it lacks that go-to star-quality player. I don't think that Jrue can be that guy consistently, and neither can Lee. Green, Marion, and Chandler are role players (all of whom are good, but none can take over a game offensively.)
I'm disappointed, because this team was built to contend. You had the elite defenders at SF and C, with good perimeter defense from Green and Holiday. You had the inside / outside game with Aldridge, who can carry a team's offense.
Sacrificing Aldridge for a downgrade at PF and a talented but injured malcontent seems like a misstep.
I don't like harping on this, because it causes hurt feelings. However, the only way I can see you contending again is finding somebody to take that fourth quarter go-to guy role that Aldridge had.
I'll try not to disappoint you and find that guy.
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Landry has been traded pending confirmation, so that's pretty much the team right there.
I want to hear this Landry trade. Disappointed you moved him, but I understand why playing him as a 4th big man was a luxury.
Yeah, i went BPA at that 5th round, that's one blunder I would admit I did this year. Should have just rounded out my starting 5 instead of it.
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PG: Ty Lawson / [Crawford]
SG: Tony Allen / Jamal Crawford
SF: __________ / [Allen]
PF: Al Horford / Carl Landry
C: Kevin Garnett / [Horford]
Gonna go for a run but I'll comment on anyone who comments on Cleveland.
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PG: Ty Lawson / [Crawford]
SG: Tony Allen / Jamal Crawford
SF: __________ / [Allen]
PF: Al Horford / Carl Landry
C: Kevin Garnett / [Horford]
Gonna go for a run but I'll comment on anyone who comments on Cleveland.
That SF gap is a big one right now, but I love this team. It's definitely a top-tier contender. Everyone has clearly defined roles. Somebody might say you don't have a "go to" scorer, but I disagree. I think Lawson, Crawford, and Horford can carry the scoring load.
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Washington
PG: Wall
SG: Thompson
SF: TBD
PF: Amir Johnson
C: Noah
6th man: Toby Harris
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PG: Ty Lawson / [Crawford]
SG: Tony Allen / Jamal Crawford
SF: __________ / [Allen]
PF: Al Horford / Carl Landry
C: Kevin Garnett / [Horford]
Gonna go for a run but I'll comment on anyone who comments on Cleveland.
That SF gap is a big one right now, but I love this team. It's definitely a top-tier contender. Everyone has clearly defined roles. Somebody might say you don't have a "go to" scorer, but I disagree. I think Lawson, Crawford, and Horford can carry the scoring load.
Said something really similar in the draft thread. The construction of this team is excellent with balanced scoring and elite defense. Come the playoff this team will kill in matchups and go deep, IF Cleveland can fill that SF hole because that will kill them if they can't get that reliable player to hold down opposing star SFs.
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Jeff Teague
OJ "I get buckets" Mayo
Jimmy Butler
David West
Tim Duncan
Vet front court with proven toughness. Up in comer at the 3 in Butler. Young athletic backcourt that can score and play defense.
I was building a defensive minded team overall but full of scrappers and guys who can score at will, not just a defensive pillar.
Haven't thought about upcoming picks but I'm thinking more scoring for now.
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No takers while I was on my run? Very well, I'll get things started.
Jeff Teague
OJ "I get buckets" Mayo
Jimmy Butler
David West
Tim Duncan
Extremely solid team all around. Any team led by Duncan will be a good one, and you've done a good job amassing talent around him. Teague is a very underrated PG who has stayed out of the spotlight because he's in Atlanta. Mayo had a stellar season last year in Dallas, shooting .407 from three. He was our second choice after Jamal Crawford in the 5th. Air and I love Butler, and we think his potential is right on par with Kawhi's. And David West is just solid in every sense of the word.
Bottom line: Sneaky good team, good job.
Washington
PG: Wall
SG: Thompson
SF: TBD
PF: Amir Johnson
C: Noah
6th man: Toby Harris
The Wall-Noah core is up there with the best PG-C cores. I think Wall is due to explode this season, and you'll benefit from that. You know we wanted Noah, but KG's an okay backup, I suppose. Thompson is a great fit alongside Wall: they cover each other's weaknesses quite well. I'm not as enamored with Amir Johnson as some. I don't think he can be a starter on a contender, although I'll admit he's one tough dude who can do the dirty work. Toby's a better fit as a 6th man, I'd keep him there.
Bottom line: May not contend this year, but the near future is bright.
Damian Lillard
TBD
Wilson Chandler
Greg Monroe
Andrew Bogut
Bench: Anderson Varejao, Kyle Lowry
I love me some Damian Lillard, I'll tell you that much. Getting a Blazers jersey of his if he signs an extension in a few years. I wish you had focused more on the wings after you hit the reset button with Lillard and Monroe; I think Monroe can hold his own at C. That said, following our recent trade you are able to fill out that last wing spot and then the starting lineup should be looking good. You're getting plenty of flak for Bogut and Varejao's injury records, but if they can stay healthy you are definitely a playoff team.
Bottom line: Can you select a team of physicians with your 6.19?
Jrue Holiday
Danny Green
Shawn Marion
David Lee
Tyson Chandler
Sixth Man: J.R. Smith
For your sake, I'll avoid discussing the LMA trade. Ignoring that, this is a strong defensive team but still one I don't see advancing past the second round of the playoffs. You have a nice bump in scoring in JR Smith, but he plays at the position where one of your best offensive starters already plays in Green. People seem to like the Marion pick; I don't see him as a SF anymore, but that's just me. I like David Lee. I really do. I had him in the pick 2 and made him fairly untouchable. But he's not enough to be the best player on a contender. I had Westbrook next to him in the pick 2.
Bottom line: Should be a deep team when all is said and done, but not expecting many playoff waves.
Okay, I've been hesitant to ask people what they think of my team all draft because I wanted to finish my roster before I do that. But I changed my mind.
PG: Goran Dragic
SG: James Harden
SF: Nic Batum
PF: Al Jefferson
C: Marcin Gortat
Each of this team's individual parts is great and are above-average options on a playoff team. Dragic and Batum are both extremely underrated. Harden's a franchise player. Jefferson is one of the best scoring big men in the league. Gortat's good all around. But as you know, the Jefferson-Gortat fit isn't great. Once you remedy that, I don't think anyone can say this isn't a title contender.
Bottom line: Make a Jefferson or Gortat trade.
PG: Steve Nash
SG: Gordon Hayward
SF: Chandler Parsons
PF: Josh Smith
C: Chris Bosh
As the proud owner of Josh Smith in the DKC, I know how much crap you can get for having him on your team. You, however, found a great C to put alongside him in Bosh, since Bosh can spread the floor very well. So no problems for me at the 4/5. Parsons is a great third option on a playoff team, and that's exactly what he is here. So no problems at the 3. Hayward and Nash is where I pause. I know they both have some great qualities, and I don't deny them, but it's a very weak defensive back court, especially Nash. That's my only problem, really.
Bottom line: Man that's one white 1-3.
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Gordon Hayward, weak defensively?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHDA_mZTpgs
I love the Jazz fan commenters who are all like, " Yeah, every time he's behind a dude in transition, I assume we're getting a block."
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Gordon Hayward, weak defensively?
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I love the Jazz fan commenters who are all like, " Yeah, every time he's behind a dude in transition, I assume we're getting a block."
"Thanks AB for the commentary on my team. I disagree with one thing (Hayward's defense), but let me talk about your team now."
"Why you're welcome KC. I look forward to that commentary."
:P
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Gordon Hayward, weak defensively?
To be fair, blocks - and steals - do not measure one's defensive ability whatsoever. That being said, Hayward is seriously an underrated defender considering his physical limitations. He might look like a pale and scrawny, but he can hold his own and uses his body well.
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Gordon Hayward, weak defensively?
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I love the Jazz fan commenters who are all like, " Yeah, every time he's behind a dude in transition, I assume we're getting a block."
"Thanks AB for the commentary on my team. I disagree with one thing (Hayward's defense), but let me talk about your team now."
"Why you're welcome KC. I look forward to that commentary."
:P
Dear AB,
I like your team a lot. Please do me a favor and knock off either Orlando or Atlanta on your way to the ECF, I don't want to have to beat both of them to make the finals.
Yours, always,
KC
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No takers while I was on my run? Very well, I'll get things started.
Jeff Teague
OJ "I get buckets" Mayo
Jimmy Butler
David West
Tim Duncan
Extremely solid team all around. Any team led by Duncan will be a good one, and you've done a good job amassing talent around him. Teague is a very underrated PG who has stayed out of the spotlight because he's in Atlanta. Mayo had a stellar season last year in Dallas, shooting .407 from three. He was our second choice after Jamal Crawford in the 5th. Air and I love Butler, and we think his potential is right on par with Kawhi's. And David West is just solid in every sense of the word.
Bottom line: Sneaky good team, good job.
I think thats why I get overlooked a lot. No flash but solid overall.
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PG- Tony Parker
SG- Eric Gordon
SF- AK47
PF- Kenneth Faried
C- Enes Kanter
Thoughts?
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Trying to get s'more feedback here.
PG: Ty Lawson / [Crawford]
SG: Tony Allen / Jamal Crawford
SF: __________ / [Allen]
PF: Al Horford / Carl Landry
C: Kevin Garnett / [Horford]
B2B starting lineup: Lawson - Allen - SF - Landry - Horford
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PG- Rose
SG- Afflalo
SF- Derozan
PF- Griffin
C- Vucevic
We plan on having Afflalo guard the sf's as the elite defender he is. Derozan has great length standing at 6'7 and long arms, and very athletic.
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PG- Rose
SG- Afflalo
SF- Derozan
PF- Griffin
C- Vucevic
We plan on having Afflalo guard the sf's as the elite defender he is. Derozan has great length standing at 6'7 and long arms, and very athletic.
There's zero reason to start DeRozan. Maybe I can buy him as a 6th man (although not really, with Rose presumably playing a ton of minutes), but he can't be a starter.
I love the back court, and your bigs are nice. You need a defensive big man, and a small forward who can defend elite wings.
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PG- Tony Parker
SG- Eric Gordon
SF- AK47
PF- Kenneth Faried
C- Enes Kanter
Thoughts?
This team has a nice twist of offense and defense, Kanter hasn't shown me enough but have seen some bright spots in his game.
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PG- Tony Parker
SG- Eric Gordon
SF- AK47
PF- Kenneth Faried
C- Enes Kanter
Thoughts?
This team has a nice twist of offense and defense, Kanter hasn't shown me enough but have seen some bright spots in his game.
Thanks, TP
The clips are a pretty formidable team.
If DRose comes back to what he was like before your team is scary.
You have 3 amazing athletes in Rose, Griffin and DeRozan. Quite a bit of fast break potential
Then you have Nikola Vucevic, very good rebounder whose averages of 13, 12 and 2 assists are quite impressive.
Arron Afflalo is coming off a solid year in Orlando, scoring solidly. He won't be a main option on this team, 3rd or 4th I would imagine, but his 3pt shooting will help. He had a bad year from 3 last season but I think he can return to his near 40% averages.
Overall I am quite fond of this team
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PG- Tony Parker
SG- Eric Gordon
SF- AK47
PF- Kenneth Faried
C- Enes Kanter
Thoughts?
After Parker its a real drop off. And its based on his recent good season. I thought a west/faried would be an even swap based on what we surrounded our pfs with but i guess not. TP team, glass sg, glass/solid d sf, rebounding beast with developing offense pf, and a center who hasn't been a starter yet. Good but not playoff material.
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I guess I'll start:
Jrue Holiday
Danny Green
Shawn Marion
David Lee
Tyson Chandler
Sixth Man: J.R. Smith
This team is incredibly "solid". Very likely a CB Draft playoff team. This team compares very similarly to the Warriors, but compares as a slightly inferior team to the real Warriors. That's a considerable problem since the Warriors weren't really a serious contender in the NBA, this team is a bit inferior to that one, and this is a 25 team league. And I'll quickly reiterate the lacking of a go-to scorer.
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Trying to get s'more feedback here.
PG: Ty Lawson / [Crawford]
SG: Tony Allen / Jamal Crawford
SF: __________ / [Allen]
PF: Al Horford / Carl Landry
C: Kevin Garnett / [Horford]
B2B starting lineup: Lawson - Allen - SF - Landry - Horford
i really like this team. period. targeted everyone except landry for my team. But i agree with others on the consistent offense. What happens when Crawford goes cold off the bench? As much as Hortford and lawson can score, its lacking. The defense is no question, ,like me. Curious to see who starts at SF.
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I guess I'll start:
Jrue Holiday
Danny Green
Shawn Marion
David Lee
Tyson Chandler
Sixth Man: J.R. Smith
This team is incredibly "solid". Very likely a CB Draft playoff team. This team compares very similarly to the Warriors, but compares as a slightly inferior team to the real Warriors. That's a considerable problem since the Warriors weren't really a serious contender in the NBA, this team is a bit inferior to that one, and this is a 25 team league. And I'll quickly reiterate the lacking of a go-to scorer.
Just to piggy back, the lack of a go to scorer is a gaping hole considering what was available in the first two rounds. Like the Garnett, Hortford team, what happens when your high scoring sixth man goes cold?
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Kyrie Irving
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Gallinari
Pau Gasol/Splitter
Splitter/Jonas Valanciunas
Lets have it. Gallo is due back in December.
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Milwaukee Bucks
PG: Mike Conley Jr
SG: JJ Redick
SF: Paul George
PF: Ryan Anderson
C: Emeka Okafor
Defense and 3's; bring it, we ain't scared.
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Milwaukee Bucks
PG: Mike Conley Jr
SG: JJ Redick
SF: Paul George
PF: Ryan Anderson
C: Emeka Okafor
Defense and 3's; bring it, we ain't scared.
I don't believe in Meka as a starting 5. I love everything else.
Edit: To give a little more, I really love everything else. Conley has been underrated for so long, he's dangerously close to the David West zone, where he's somewhat overrated til he's underrated again. JJ Redick is a okay starter, his shooting was ordinary last year, which is a worrying thing but..meh. Ryan Anderson I like here, but Id like him a lot more if you went full balls out on a Tyson chandler type at the 5, which Okafor ain't. TWW and others have a point about George, he is a defensive stud but his offensive abilities can be a little overrated at this point, especially from a efficiency standpoint.
But I think overall it gels nicely, and your bench should have no problem plugging any holes.
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THE HEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT!
PG: Steve Nash
SG: Gordon Hayward
SF: Chandler Parsons
PF: Josh Smith
C: Chris Bosh
Very good players. I think Nash is an underrated player today and this is the type of personnel that would fit well around him. I think Bosh can only get away with playing center on a team with Lebron though.
This team reminds me of the 05-06 Suns teams. Ball dominant PG, 2 shooters on the wings, an athletic good defensive PF who is really a combo 3/4 combo, and a versatile and athletic center.
Some big problems with that though:
-A lot of people thought that type of small-ball team construction simply couldn't win a title in the NBA. The Heat were the first team to win with small ball and they are quite an exception since they have Lebron James.
-2013 Nash is not 2006 MVP Nash.
-Bosh is not the offensive weapon that Amare was.
-Your wings are better than Bell and Richardson though and Josh Smith compares pretty similarly or better to Marion of those days. (Marion used to be a top 3 fantasy hoops guy!)
I like it, I'd love to cheer for this team, but I don't know if its a title team. But let's see how the bench fills out. If you can get a lot of talent on the bench and the other top teams are shallow, this team could cause problems for that team.
To all owners - Please post remaining draft picks with your roster too.
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Okay, I've been hesitant to ask people what they think of my team all draft because I wanted to finish my roster before I do that. But I changed my mind.
PG: Goran Dragic
SG: James Harden
SF: Nic Batum
PF: Al Jefferson
C: Marcin Gortat
Nice team. I like it. A contender. I almost feel like there's too much scoring. If you can get good value for Jefferson, he might be worth moving. Gortat was significantly less productive with Dragic as his point guard this season than with Nash the season before.
Maybe move Dragic and Jefferson for a better all around PF and a PG with simpler responsibilities.
But I still do like what you have currently. Great job! It's just a hard construction for me to actually imagine.
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Milwaukee Bucks
PG: Mike Conley Jr
SG: JJ Redick
SF: Paul George
PF: Ryan Anderson
C: Emeka Okafor
Defense and 3's; bring it, we ain't scared.
I don't believe in Meka as a starting 5. I love everything else.
Edit: To give a little more, I really love everything else. Conley has been underrated for so long, he's dangerously close to the David West zone, where he's somewhat overrated til he's underrated again. JJ Redick is a okay starter, his shooting was ordinary last year, which is a worrying thing but..meh. Ryan Anderson I like here, but Id like him a lot more if you went full balls out on a Tyson chandler type at the 5, which Okafor ain't. TWW and others have a point about George, he is a defensive stud but his offensive abilities can be a little overrated at this point, especially from a efficiency standpoint.
But I think overall it gels nicely, and your bench should have no problem plugging any holes.
Curious as to why you wouldn't believe in Okafor as a starting center. His defensive win shares had him in the top 25 (#23 actually) of all players last season. I don't need to him to score much, just play D and rebound. He does those as well as most any center.
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Milwaukee Bucks
PG: Mike Conley Jr
SG: JJ Redick
SF: Paul George
PF: Ryan Anderson
C: Emeka Okafor
Defense and 3's; bring it, we ain't scared.
I don't believe in Meka as a starting 5. I love everything else.
Edit: To give a little more, I really love everything else. Conley has been underrated for so long, he's dangerously close to the David West zone, where he's somewhat overrated til he's underrated again. JJ Redick is a okay starter, his shooting was ordinary last year, which is a worrying thing but..meh. Ryan Anderson I like here, but Id like him a lot more if you went full balls out on a Tyson chandler type at the 5, which Okafor ain't. TWW and others have a point about George, he is a defensive stud but his offensive abilities can be a little overrated at this point, especially from a efficiency standpoint.
But I think overall it gels nicely, and your bench should have no problem plugging any holes.
Curious as to why you wouldn't believe in Okafor as a starting center. His defensive win shares had him in the top 25 (#23 actually) of all players last season. I don't need to him to score much, just play D and rebound. He does those as well as most any center.
Well, he basically allowed as good as he gave as a center last year (82games), and that's allowing slightly above average production. Okafor isn't a great rim protector, he's just..you know..okay. Then coupled with his penchant for shooting jumpers and not being particularly good at it (which he does by necessity because he's not a particularly strong, quick, skilled, or athletic option), I think he's just an okay option. Not the guy Id want starting at my 5.
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Small ball lineup so far, don't know if it will be my starting lineup yet.
1. Ricky Rubio
2. Kyle Korver
3. Iman Shumpert
4. Jeff Green
5. Dwight Howard
I think I have a good balance of sound perimeter defense and a group that compliments Rubio and Howard's strengths.
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Small ball lineup so far, don't know if it will be my starting lineup yet.
1. Ricky Rubio
2. Kyle Korver
3. Iman Shumpert
4. Jeff Green
5. Dwight Howard
I think I have a good balance of sound perimeter defense and a group that compliments Rubio and Howard's strengths.
Jeff Green, poor option at the 4.
Although in this lineup, it makes sense (though Shump Id rather play at the 2). Fill out the wings with shooters and defenders, and you'll have a stew goin. It won't be a particularly high-scoring stew, but it'll eat good enough.
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Kyrie Irving
?
Gallinari
Pau Gasol/Splitter
Splitter/Jonas Valanciunas
Lets have it. Gallo is due back in December.
Scoring and front court play won't be a concern, you'll dominate in these areas.
Kyrie, "yet to be picked", and Gallo are a problem on "D" though. Gonna need a versatile defender at SG, preferably someone who can defend 1-3. For all the love big men get for their D, without a proper backcourt D, even the best can be exposed.
I'd have a particular SG in mind that I would really like with this core. Most people are probably down on him, but his defensive versatility would do wonders for this roster.
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PG: Ty Lawson / [Crawford]
SG: Tony Allen / Jamal Crawford
SF: __________ / [Allen]
PF: Al Horford / Carl Landry
C: Kevin Garnett / [Horford]
Gonna go for a run but I'll comment on anyone who comments on Cleveland.
Absolutely love this team. Favorite team I've seen of the few teams I've seen so far. A definite CB Draft contender.
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Jeff Teague
OJ "I get buckets" Mayo
Jimmy Butler
David West
Tim Duncan
Vet front court with proven toughness. Up in comer at the 3 in Butler. Young athletic backcourt that can score and play defense.
I was building a defensive minded team overall but full of scrappers and guys who can score at will, not just a defensive pillar.
Haven't thought about upcoming picks but I'm thinking more scoring for now.
Good team, I like it. I don't think you have an immediate need to address more scoring. TD will give you 14ppg on this team. David West, Teague, and Mayo are all capable scorers. This team has better scoring capability in the starting lineup than the current Pacers have, which is a good thing.
Go BPA and value-hunting in trades the rest of the way down I'd suggest. Because you've got good balance and fits so far. Maybe the accrued value will help you pull off a big move down the road.
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PG- Tony Parker
SG- Eric Gordon
SF- AK47
PF- Kenneth Faried
C- Enes Kanter
Thoughts?
I think TP and Gordon are both good talents, but not a good fit with eachother. Both play well with the ball in their hands. Parker is at his best playing pick and roll basketball with a PF/C. Who is that guy on this team? I think you should look at working hard to acquire one.
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PG- Rose
SG- Afflalo
SF- Derozan
PF- Griffin
C- Vucevic
We plan on having Afflalo guard the sf's as the elite defender he is. Derozan has great length standing at 6'7 and long arms, and very athletic.
This team is going to contend. Which means you are going to need to defend Lebron and Durant and maybe Melo. Who does it?
I agree with Roy that Derozan's offense isn't necessary on this squad. I'd trade to move him for a SF defender with good size. Or could afflalo be that guy for you? Too be honest, I don't know because I haven't seen a lot of him in the last couple season. But I like afflalo's role as a shooter who doesn't need the ball in his hands and can lock down SGs. Great fit with Rose.
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Small ball lineup so far, don't know if it will be my starting lineup yet.
1. Ricky Rubio
2. Kyle Korver
3. Iman Shumpert
4. Jeff Green
5. Dwight Howard
I think I have a good balance of sound perimeter defense and a group that compliments Rubio and Howard's strengths.
We're assuming the healthy, motivated Dwight Howard, right?
Rubio is a personal favorite. Korver is the league's top 3 & D wing. Though I'd argue he's more comfortably a small forward? I really appreciate the complementary fit of your players thus far, 1-5. Should be a very tough defensive team, and capable offensively, if reliant on the Rubio and Howard pick-and-roll and the fast break.
Final stakes may depend on Green and Shumpert becoming more consistent scorers? I'm a big fan of both, but both guys tease star potential between stretches of pass-the-buck play and back rim jumpers. They do ace the always important what-have-you-done-for-me-lately test though. Maybe that's enough.
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Kyrie Irving
?
Gallinari
Pau Gasol
Splitter/Jonas Valanciunas
Lets have it. Gallo is due back in December.
I deleted splitter from your PF depth chart because I don't think he is one.
Interesting roster, I can't quite imagine it out there without knowing the SG. You obviously want to go defensive-oriented there since you have a lot of offense. Even still, I'm having trouble imagining these guys playing together. I think I like it a lot though.
Your center position is pretty weak. Splitter was an absolute mess in the finals and can't be on the floor against small ball if Pau is your PF. I'd think of maybe going with a 4/5 rotation of:
4: Pau/another true PF
5: Splitter/Pau
if you can move Valanciunas. Similar to how the Spurs do it now.
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SAN ANTONIO SPURS
PG TBD
SG Andre Iguodala
SF Danny Granger/Thaddeus Young
PF Kevin Love/Thaddeus Young
C JaVale McGee
Coach Rick Carlisle
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Milwaukee Bucks
PG: Mike Conley Jr
SG: JJ Redick
SF: Paul George
PF: Ryan Anderson
C: Emeka Okafor
Defense and 3's; bring it, we ain't scared.
Definitely a lot of 3 point shooting. But you need someone to draw in help defenders in order to free up those spot up shooters. Paul George can do some of that, maybe your bench can help with that too.
I'd consider this a pretty average defensive team. Excellent defenders in Conley and George. Redick is solid, yet not anything more than that. Anderson is OK. Okafor... I haven't seen him impress me with his defense in the few times I've watched him over the past few years.
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Small ball lineup so far, don't know if it will be my starting lineup yet.
1. Ricky Rubio
2. Kyle Korver Iman Shumpert
3. Iman Shumpert Kyle Korver
4. Jeff Green
5. Dwight Howard
I think I have a good balance of sound perimeter defense and a group that compliments Rubio and Howard's strengths.
Note the changing of positions. You should list your team that way.
Firstly, I'll say that I think Kyle Korver may be the single worst perimeter defender in the entire NBA. So, that's hurting your perimeter defense a lot right there. Rubio is also not a very good defender. Jeff Green is a good perimeter defender... but he'll be guarding PFs, not SFs on this team.
You have some good talent and good players... but you have to make moves. I'd advise to get another PF and then slide Green to SF if you really like his perimeter defense. I think he is actually a very good fit at SF around Dwight. Korver coming off the bench is a good role for him. Especially if you could also get a backup PG/SG who is a threat to drive and score.
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Your center position is pretty weak. Splitter was an absolute mess in the finals and can't be on the floor against small ball if Pau is your PF.
Hm. I disagree with you vehemently, absent Splitter's poor finals. But it wasn't just splitter who played below par during that series, and if you use his starting stats from last season, especially as it went on, he was one of the better centers in the league. A good man defender, decent rebounder, and elite finisher (for the position).
Small ball obviously Gallo slides to the 4, but I don't see the reason to play it much. Jonas and Splitter are both starting caliber 5's, with Jonas poised to make a big jump forward next season.
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SAN ANTONIO SPURS
PG TBD
SG Andre Iguodala
SF Danny Granger/Thaddeus Young
PF Kevin Love/Thaddeus Young
C JaVale McGee
Coach Rick Carlisle
This is a tough team to judge because I'm not sure what to make of Granger right now.
I like the frontcourt. The overall balance of talent and offense and even ball handling from Iguodala allows you a bit of flexibility for your PG team. I'm not sure I see this core being a contender yet until it fills out more. I'm also lower on Thad Young than most others.
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Your center position is pretty weak. Splitter was an absolute mess in the finals and can't be on the floor against small ball if Pau is your PF.
Hm. I disagree with you vehemently, absent Splitter's poor finals. But it wasn't just splitter who played below par during that series, and if you use his starting stats from last season, especially as it went on, he was one of the better centers in the league. A good man defender, decent rebounder, and elite finisher (for the position).
Small ball obviously Gallo slides to the 4, but I don't see the reason to play it much. Jonas and Splitter are both starting caliber 5's, with Jonas poised to make a big jump forward next season.
I agree with everything in your first paragraph other than he was "one of the best centers in the league". Best what? One of the best 30 centers? Sure. Seriously though, I actually like Splitter a lot as a player*. But neither he nor Val are a top 15 NBA center and this is a 25 team league. So I'd say your center position is relatively weak. And if you get matched up against a well constructed team that goes small ball with Lebron, Durant, or Melo at the 4... Pau and Splitter can't be on the floor together. Ask Pops.
I do see what you're trying to do here and I like the frontcourt size you've got going on (typically a winning CB Draft strategy), but I'm just pointing out weakness where I feel it exists.
I agree that Gallo could slide to the 4 in small ball and I like that a lot about him on this team. But that also means you've got 3 of your top 5 picks playing one position (and some backup PF). That's why I think Val should go. I say Val because I like Splitter, but if you are higher on Val, maybe see what Splitter's trade value is around the league.
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*You can probably find posts from me that was ok with some kind of KG for Kawhi+Splitter trade after Rondo went down before Kawhi Leonard became a household name. I do like Splitter a lot.
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I agree with everything in your first paragraph other than he was "one of the best centers in the league". Best what? One of the best 30 centers? Sure. Seriously though, I actually like Splitter a lot as a player*. But neither he nor Val are a top 15 NBA center and this is a 25 team league. So I'd say your center position is relatively weak. And if you get matched up against a well constructed team that goes small ball with Lebron, Durant, or Melo at the 4... Pau and Splitter can't be on the floor together. Ask Pops.
Actually, big reason why Pops is on the squad; he realized that when he played Splitter and Duncan together this year towards the latter half of the season his offense jumped from 'pretty good' to 'best in the league' (or close).
Really, look it up. It's some obscene 120 points per 100 possessions or something. And as per the 'best', I said 'one of the better', and that's 100% true efficiency wise. Teams and centers scored less, and the Spurs scored more with Splitter on the floor. He's got a ridiculous +7.1 PER against opposing centers, +6.1 pp48 against opposing centers. Pretty spectacular numbers, and since the Spurs thought it right to blow up his available checking balance this offseason, I think that's gotta do nothing but help the perception.
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Do the Knicks!
Rondo
Martin
Harkless
Sanders
Lopez
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I agree with everything in your first paragraph other than he was "one of the best centers in the league". Best what? One of the best 30 centers? Sure. Seriously though, I actually like Splitter a lot as a player*. But neither he nor Val are a top 15 NBA center and this is a 25 team league. So I'd say your center position is relatively weak. And if you get matched up against a well constructed team that goes small ball with Lebron, Durant, or Melo at the 4... Pau and Splitter can't be on the floor together. Ask Pops.
Actually, big reason why Pops is on the squad; he realized that when he played Splitter and Duncan together this year towards the latter half of the season his offense jumped from 'pretty good' to 'best in the league' (or close).
Really, look it up. It's some obscene 120 points per 100 possessions or something. And as per the 'best', I said 'one of the better', and that's 100% true efficiency wise. Teams and centers scored less, and the Spurs scored more with Splitter on the floor. He's got a ridiculous +7.1 PER against opposing centers, +6.1 pp48 against opposing centers. Pretty spectacular numbers, and since the Spurs thought it right to blow up his available checking balance this offseason, I think that's gotta do nothing but help the perception.
I believe it regarding the stats. I like Splitter a lot. I currently like him and Duncan together and I would like him and Pau together too I think. But note that I'm not mentioning the course of the regular season as your stats refer to, I was specifically talking about if you get matched up against a well constructed team that play Lebron, KD, or Melo at the 4 in the playoffs. There is an issue there that still exists no matter what Splitter did against the rest of the NBA that plays mostly prototypical basketball during the regular season.
Now that I've seen a few squads, it looks like you'll avoid that issue with Lebron if that team keeps Ibaka and Jordan. I haven't seen the KD or Melo teams yet. Maybe you won't even encounter this issue, but I was just pointing it out.
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Do the Knicks!
Rondo
Martin
Harkless
Sanders
Lopez
I know so little about Moe Harkless unfortunately... but I really like the other 4 guys. That is some good talent and some pretty good fits. You'll need a good backup PG while Rondo is out.
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Do the Knicks!
Rondo
Martin
Harkless
Sanders
Lopez
Really like this team, although I'm not the most knowledgeable about harkless
Sanders and Lopez would be quite intimidating, and rondo would create some good looks for Martin
You need another point as another poster said to cover for rondo while he is out
Overall fond of this team
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PG- Tony Parker
SG- Eric Gordon
SF- AK47
PF- Kenneth Faried
C- Enes Kanter
Thoughts?
I don't like Kirilenko and Faried starting alongside one another. I don't think they will work well together. Not skilled enough offensively.
I think the Spurs will need a more skilled forward in one of those spots. With either AK-47 or Faried moving to the bench or with one of them leaving in a trade for that more skilled SF or PF.
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PG- Tony Parker
SG- Eric Gordon
SF- AK47
PF- Kenneth Faried
C- Enes Kanter
Thoughts?
I don't like Kirilenko and Faried starting alongside one another. I don't think they will work well together. Not skilled enough offensively.
I think the Spurs will need a more skilled forward in one of those spots. With either AK-47 or Faried moving to the bench or with one of them leaving in a trade for that more skilled SF or PF.
Thanks for the feedback
Will be taken into consideration
TP
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PG- Tony Parker
SG- Eric Gordon
SF- AK47
PF- Kenneth Faried
C- Enes Kanter
Thoughts?
I think TP and Gordon are both good talents, but not a good fit with eachother. Both play well with the ball in their hands. Parker is at his best playing pick and roll basketball with a PF/C. Who is that guy on this team? I think you should look at working hard to acquire one.
I think E.Gordon and T.Parker will work great together. Very similar to Ginobili + Parker.
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Curious as to why you wouldn't believe in Okafor as a starting center. His defensive win shares had him in the top 25 (#23 actually) of all players last season. I don't need to him to score much, just play D and rebound. He does those as well as most any center.
Well, he basically allowed as good as he gave as a center last year (82games), and that's allowing slightly above average production. Okafor isn't a great rim protector, he's just..you know..okay. Then coupled with his penchant for shooting jumpers and not being particularly good at it (which he does by necessity because he's not a particularly strong, quick, skilled, or athletic option), I think he's just an okay option. Not the guy Id want starting at my 5.
Just about every defensive metric that exists shows Emeka to be in the top third of centers on the defensive end, ahead of many centers with more "reputation".
Okafor isn't a flashy defender; he isn't super-atheletic, and doesn't block a lot of shots, but he is a very fundamentally solid player and physically difficult to move off the block. Okafor is just one of those defenders that knows how to be in position and force you into a tougher shot.
I'm simply relying on him to make the opposing center work for their points, and score 6-10pts on putbacks and easy layups created by the floor spacing my shooters provide. He's proven he is more than capable of filling the role I have him in.
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PG- Tony Parker
SG- Eric Gordon
SF- AK47
PF- Kenneth Faried
C- Enes Kanter
Thoughts?
I think TP and Gordon are both good talents, but not a good fit with eachother. Both play well with the ball in their hands. Parker is at his best playing pick and roll basketball with a PF/C. Who is that guy on this team? I think you should look at working hard to acquire one.
I think E.Gordon and T.Parker will work great together. Very similar to Ginobili + Parker.
In which case, Gordon would have to come off the bench. Ginobili and Parker played very little time on the court together last season. The top 5 most often played lineups with Parker in it all did not have Ginobili in them. http://www.82games.com/1213/12SAS1.HTM
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Detroit Pistons
C: Andre Drummond
PF: Anthony Davis
SF:
SG: Bradley Beal
PG: Eric Bledsoe
6th man: Dion Waiters
Clearly this team has no realistic aspirations to make a run at the title this year. However, I believe they are set up to be contenders in the next 5 years with tremendous potential. Thoughts so far?
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Besides a starting SF, what does Cleveland need most?
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Detroit Pistons
C: Andre Drummond
PF: Anthony Davis
SF:
SG: Bradley Beal
PG: Eric Bledsoe
6th man: Dion Waiters
Clearly this team has no realistic aspirations to make a run at the title this year. However, I believe they are set up to be contenders in the next 5 years with tremendous potential. Thoughts so far?
For me this is the clear-cut winner for TOTF. Davis/Drummond is going to be a NASTY combo to face down low in a few years, and you have some very high upside guards. The only issue will be playmaking, as Bledsoe isn't a traditional PG.
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Besides a starting SF, what does Cleveland need most?
Some 3 point shooters.
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Besides a starting SF, what does Cleveland need most?
Honestly, the SF you draft will determine what your team needs the most. Right now, you could use some more perimeter shooting, playmaking, and size, and whichever you don't knock out with your SF will be what you need the most.
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Besides a starting SF, what does Cleveland need most?
Like BigAl said you need some 3 point shooters. Personally, I think you also need big man depth as KG is going to miss 1/4 of the season (maybe even more as he didn't end up getting surgery on the bone spurs he had in his ankles.) and it's great you got Landry to back him up, but when KG is not playing you need someone reliable to back up Landry.
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Detroit Pistons
C: Andre Drummond
PF: Anthony Davis
SF:
SG: Bradley Beal
PG: Eric Bledsoe
6th man: Dion Waiters
Clearly this team has no realistic aspirations to make a run at the title this year. However, I believe they are set up to be contenders in the next 5 years with tremendous potential. Thoughts so far?
This team probably has TOTF locked up at this point. That is quite a bit of U-25 talent. In a year or two, this could be a real powerhouse.
I do wonder about the back court though. Bledsoe, Beal and Wiaters seems like it has the potential to be a bit redundant on offense, and lacking in defense.
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Detroit Pistons
C: Andre Drummond
PF: Anthony Davis
SF:
SG: Bradley Beal
PG: Eric Bledsoe
6th man: Dion Waiters
Clearly this team has no realistic aspirations to make a run at the title this year. However, I believe they are set up to be contenders in the next 5 years with tremendous potential. Thoughts so far?
This team probably has TOTF locked up at this point. That is quite a bit of U-25 talent. In a year or two, this could be a real powerhouse.
I do wonder about the back court though. Bledsoe, Beal and Wiaters seems like it has the potential to be a bit redundant on offense, and lacking in defense.
If this were the franchise I rooted for, I would be the happiest fan in the world to have a young roster like that to cheer on for the future.
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Ok, we have a starting 5 now so I'm ready for some feedback. Our current rotation:
George Hill/Jarrett Jack
Kobe Bryant/Webster/Jack
Martell Webster/TBD/Kobe (in 3 guard lineups)
Paul Millsap/Amar'e Stoudemire
Omer Asik/Stoudemire
Thoughts? I really like the balance in the starting 5 and the flexibility off the bench. I think we need a defensive wing and a solid 4th big to round out the rotation.
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Ok, we have a starting 5 now so I'm ready for some feedback. Our current rotation:
George Hill/Jarrett Jack
Kobe Bryant/Webster/Jack
Martell Webster/TBD/Kobe (in 3 guard lineups)
Paul Millsap/Amar'e Stoudemire
Omer Asik/Stoudemire
Thoughts? I really like the balance in the starting 5 and the flexibility off the bench. I think we need a defensive wing and a solid 4th big to round out the rotation.
This is a really well constructed team. However, Kobe hasn't really won without a top-tier post player. I'm not sure that Millsap is that player.
Amare could be, but I think most voters are probably betting against him.
Really well done, though. You didn't necessarily get great "value" on some of your picks (meaning that you took some guys higher than I think they would have been taken), but you got great fit with every pick.
I really enjoy seeing a GM who put so much thought into not only talent accumulation, but how this collection of players would function.
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Ok, we have a starting 5 now so I'm ready for some feedback. Our current rotation:
George Hill/Jarrett Jack
Kobe Bryant/Webster/Jack
Martell Webster/TBD/Kobe (in 3 guard lineups)
Paul Millsap/Amar'e Stoudemire
Omer Asik/Stoudemire
Thoughts? I really like the balance in the starting 5 and the flexibility off the bench. I think we need a defensive wing and a solid 4th big to round out the rotation.
This is a really well constructed team. However, Kobe hasn't really won without a top-tier post player. I'm not sure that Millsap is that player.
Amare could be, but I think most voters are probably betting against him.
Really well done, though. You didn't necessarily get great "value" on some of your picks (meaning that you took some guys higher than I think they would have been taken), but you got great fit with every pick.
I really enjoy seeing a GM who put so much thought into not only talent accumulation, but how this collection of players would function.
Thanks Roy. I agree about fit over talent, but starting with Kobe has made it tough because a lot of the BPA types need the ball a lot to thrive and would clash with his game. I traded back a good bit to try and enhance depth, but ultimately I judge each pick on how they'd play with the rest of the roster. Gives me more respect for what Kupchak did putting together those Laker teams.
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Miami Heat:
PG: Steve Nash/ Andre Miller
SG: Gordon Hayward
SF: Chandler Parsons
PF: Josh Smith
C: Chris Bosh/ Samuel Dalembert
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Ok, we have a starting 5 now so I'm ready for some feedback. Our current rotation:
George Hill/Jarrett Jack
Kobe Bryant/Webster/Jack
Martell Webster/TBD/Kobe (in 3 guard lineups)
Paul Millsap/Amar'e Stoudemire
Omer Asik/Stoudemire
Thoughts? I really like the balance in the starting 5 and the flexibility off the bench. I think we need a defensive wing and a solid 4th big to round out the rotation.
I like it, I'm just not sure if it has enough firepower to survive until Kobe gets back.
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Miami Heat:
PG: Steve Nash/ Andre Miller
SG: Gordon Hayward
SF: Chandler Parsons
PF: Josh Smith
C: Chris Bosh/ Samuel Dalembert
I like your team. Lack of a real high caliber franchise player, but there are only like 13 of those anyways. Good balance. Whitest starting lineup in the league?
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Miami Heat:
PG: Steve Nash/ Andre Miller
SG: Gordon Hayward
SF: Chandler Parsons
PF: Josh Smith
C: Chris Bosh/ Samuel Dalembert
I would love to watch this team play, but I feel like it'll get stuck in good-but-not-great territory in this draft. Good perimeter play, and if you can convince Bosh and Smith to post more you'll have a very balanced attack.
Concerns about Nash guarding top PGs - having Smith behind him can erase some mistakes, but teams with good floor spacing could pull Smoove out toward the perimeter and wreak havoc on penetration.
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CLEVELAND BAR-FIGHTERS
PG: Ty Lawson / [Craw]
SG: Tony Allen / Jamal Crawford
SF: Gerald Wallace / [Allen]
PF: Al Horford / Carl Landry / [GWall]
C: Kevin Garnett / [Horford] / [Landry]
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CLEVELAND BARFIGHTERS
PG: Ty Lawson / [Craw]
SG: Tony Allen / Jamal Crawford
SF: Gerald Wallace / [Allen]
PF: Al Horford / Carl Landry / [GWall]
C: Kevin Garnett / [Horford] / [Landry]
The talent is good, but I'm not a huge fan of TA and Wallace on the court at the same time. Allows the opponent to pack the middle against post play and Lawson's penetration. Defense should be strong but 2 guys the D can dare to shoot is very risky, especially when they're the primary wings. And putting Crawford out with Ty and either TA/Wallace creates a whole new set of problems defensively.
Excellent big rotation though, health permitting. Need that 4th guy for insurance there.
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CLEVELAND BAR-FIGHTERS
PG: Ty Lawson / [Craw]
SG: Tony Allen / Jamal Crawford
SF: Gerald Wallace / [Allen]
PF: Al Horford / Carl Landry / [GWall]
C: Kevin Garnett / [Horford] / [Landry]
I complimented FWF earlier for putting together a team that "fits", and I feel the same way here. I can see this team playing together perfectly.
I've been pretty vocal about my concerns regarding Wallace's decline, but he can still play defense. So long as Cleveland isn't counting on him for 15 points per game, I think that they'll be fine. Wallace will be the guy who can match up with Lebron and Carmelo, while blending in on the offensive end.
The only slight concern I have is spacing. The team only has one good three point shooter in the starting lineup. However, I think that Garnett's and Horford's ability to shoot long twos mitigates that to some degree.
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PG: Deron
SG: Ray Allen
SF: Durant
PF: Scola
C: R. Lopez.
as I said in the other thread Ray will get about 25 MPG, and I plan on acuiring another SG at some point as insurance.
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PG: Deron
SG: Ray Allen
SF: Durant
PF: Scola
C: R. Lopez.
as I said in the other thread Ray will get about 25 MPG, and I plan on acuiring another SG at some point as insurance.
I think that other SG should start, and Ray come off the bench. Your bench is going to be awfully thin as it is, and you'll need some punch coming in. This will be a fun team to watch, but teams with multiple strong wings will give you matchup problems unless you get an extra perimeter defender.
The top two are excellent but the team will sink or swim based on how well the next couple of picks work as quality role players.
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While we agree Wallace isn't the best shooter at the 3, he showed significant improvement during the playoffs this season (shooting .379 on around 4 attempts per game beyond the arc). We're confident that he can put up near those numbers in the playoffs once again.
This team is built for the playoffs. We'd love the #1 seed, but we aren't gunning for it. We plan to scratch and claw, to outrebound and outhustle other teams in the playoffs. And in that sense, we think there are few teams that can stop us.
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Ok, the revamped Orlando Kobes:
George Hill/Jarrett Jack
Kobe/Vince Carter/Jack
Metta World Peace/Vince Carter/Kobe
Paul Millsap/Amar'e Stoudemire/Nick Collison
Omer Asik/Stoudemire/Collison
We'll probably run some situational lineups with MWP at the 4 and some combo of 3 of the other 4 perimeter guys. VC will start at 2 if Kobe isn't ready to start the season, and we're flexible about starting VC vs MWP at 3 based on matchups.
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Mile High City Nuggets (thru 7)
PG: Damian Lillard / Kyle Lowry
SG: Courtney Lee / [some Lillard and Webster minutes here]
SF: Wilson Chandler / Martell Webster
PF: Greg Monroe / [some Varejao minutes here]
C : Andrew Bogut / Anderson Varejao
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Washington Wizards
pg: John Wall
sg: Klay Thompson/Mike Dunleavy
sf: Evan Turner/Toby Harris
pf: Amir Johnson/Toby Harris
c: Joakim Noah/Spencer Hawes
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Washington Wizards
pg: John Wall
sg: Klay Thompson/Mike Dunleavy
sf: Evan Turner/Toby Harris
pf: Amir Johnson/Toby Harris
c: Joakim Noah/Spencer Hawes
I really like this team, but the weak link is definitely the SF spot. It'll come down to whether Turner figures out his game and takes the next step this year on a dismal Sixers team, as well as whether Harris can improve his defense to acceptable levels. For me, I'm not sold on either of them.
Otherwise, you have a heck of a defensive frontcourt, and Wall/Thompson is an excellent combo at your guard spots. Dunleavy and Hawes serve as very quality depth, and were huge value picks.
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SAN ANTONIO SPURS
PG Kemba Walker
SG Andre Iguodala/Marcus Thornton
SF Danny Granger
PF Kevin Love/Thaddeus Young
C JaVale McGee
Coach Rick Carlisle
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8d/Los_Angeles_Lakers_vs._San_Antonio_Spurs.jpg)
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SAN ANTONIO SPURS
PG Kemba Walker
SG Andre Iguodala/Marcus Thornton
SF Danny Granger
PF Kevin Love/Thaddeus Young
C JaVale McGee
Coach Rick Carlisle
Granger's going to be a huge X-factor for your team, but you have a mighty nice insurance plan with the positional versatility of Iggy/Young, allowing Thornton's offensive repertoire into the starting lineup should Granger not work out.
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Washington Wizards
pg: John Wall
sg: Klay Thompson/Mike Dunleavy
sf: Evan Turner/Toby Harris
pf: Amir Johnson/Toby Harris
c: Joakim Noah/Spencer Hawes
I really like this team, but the weak link is definitely the SF spot. It'll come down to whether Turner figures out his game and takes the next step this year on a dismal Sixers team, as well as whether Harris can improve his defense to acceptable levels. For me, I'm not sold on either of them.
Otherwise, you have a heck of a defensive frontcourt, and Wall/Thompson is an excellent combo at your guard spots. Dunleavy and Hawes serve as very quality depth, and were huge value picks.
We like a lot of the same players. Noah, Thompson, and Amir Johnson are personal favorites.
Would anybody else bring Turner off the bench? Harris is four years younger, but generally more productive. Or if you need better passing and three point shooting out of the small forward position, I might still prefer Dunleavy.
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SAN ANTONIO SPURS
PG Kemba Walker
SG Andre Iguodala/Marcus Thornton
SF Danny Granger
PF Kevin Love/Thaddeus Young
C JaVale McGee
Coach Rick Carlisle
Tons of scoring on this squad, even when it dig into the bench. Rebounding is a very solid A+ too with Iggy, Love and Young.
My only concern, JaVale as the last line of defense. And while he is a shot blocker, I worry about his decision making on when to block, who to leave open and when to rotate. I could be wrong but Iggy is not as vocal to anchor the defense, is it? If McGee is the anchor of this squads D, there may be trouble ahead. But I think they can outscore any team on any given night.
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Washington Wizards
pg: John Wall
sg: Klay Thompson/Mike Dunleavy
sf: Evan Turner/Toby Harris
pf: Amir Johnson/Toby Harris
c: Joakim Noah/Spencer Hawes
Tough defensive big rotation after adding Hawes. Very good balance all around.
There's too much energy and hustle on this team. Will be a tough team to meet come playoff time.
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Jrue Holiday
Danny Green
Shawn Marion
David Lee
Tyson Chandler
Bench:
Greivis Vasquez
J.R. Smith
Brandon Bass
Brandan Wright.
Always exploring trade offers.
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Detroit Pistons
C: Andre Drummond
PF: Anthony Davis
SF:
SG: Bradley Beal
PG: Eric Bledsoe
6th man: Dion Waiters
Clearly this team has no realistic aspirations to make a run at the title this year. However, I believe they are set up to be contenders in the next 5 years with tremendous potential. Thoughts so far?
The team of the future is all well and good but you'll still need someone with more than three years experience on the roster.
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SAN ANTONIO SPURS
PG Kemba Walker
SG Andre Iguodala/Marcus Thornton
SF Danny Granger
PF Kevin Love/Thaddeus Young
C JaVale McGee
Coach Rick Carlisle
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WW- I think that, from a talent and value standpoint, you have one of the absolute top teams.
From a chemistry standpoint, I have no idea how to this team works. I don't think you are set up to maximize these players; I would start wheeling and dealing. If you were able to deal Love and Granger for more up-tempo players of comparable skill level, you could have the team that the Nuggets are trying to be. If you could trade Javale for a more conventional down-low defensive anchor type center, you could have a great half-court team that still has guys that will push some exciting transitions. Right now, you're stuck in a weird limbo.
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PG: Deron
SG: Ray Allen
SF: Durant
PF: Scola
C: R. Lopez.
as I said in the other thread Ray will get about 25 MPG, and I plan on acuiring another SG at some point as insurance.
Major defensive holes at the 2 and 5. I don't know about Lopez being a starting center, think it was just looking for a tall guy to play there. Depends on how you fill the bench but Allen and Lopez may need to come off the bench.
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Mile High City Nuggets (thru 7)
PG: Damian Lillard / Kyle Lowry
SG: Courtney Lee / [some Lillard and Webster minutes here]
SF: Wilson Chandler / Martell Webster
PF: Greg Monroe / [some Varejao minutes here]
C : Andrew Bogut / Anderson Varejao
I've been confused by this team since Harden was shipped out. Monroe is not a true pf and will not be out on the perimeter on defense and if he does, he will likely get beat out by the faster 3 an 4's. You have three legit starting centers and only one of them is starting...at center. BPA sure, but I would have moved at least one of them. Two starting pgs where even if one or both play some sg, someone will lose minutes (probably Lowry). Package Lowry or even Lillard and VareClown for starting sg or multiple bench players at the 1, 2, 4 spots.
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Mile High City Nuggets (thru 7)
PG: Damian Lillard / Kyle Lowry
SG: Courtney Lee / [some Lillard and Webster minutes here]
SF: Wilson Chandler / Martell Webster
PF: Greg Monroe / [some Varejao minutes here]
C : Andrew Bogut / Anderson Varejao
No love for Denver, peeps?
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Washington Wizards
pg: John Wall
sg: Klay Thompson/Mike Dunleavy
sf: Evan Turner/Toby Harris
pf: Amir Johnson/Toby Harris
c: Joakim Noah/Spencer Hawes
I liked this team when it was Wall and Noah (and Klay I guess) but after that I'm not sure what happened. I don;t see real talent from the 4/5th rounds unless you made trades. I would package Turner and Johnson/ Hawes for a solid pf and let Dunleavy start. If I did end up taking him over Barnes, I thought about starting him.
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Jeff Teague
OJ "I get buckets" Mayo
Jimmy Butler, Matt Barnes
David West, Andray Blatche
Tim Duncan
Added Barnes and Blatche. Capable vets who can play scrappy, score, and defend while accepting bench roles. Looking to grab a capable backup pg and a random 4/5 next.
Also, Timmy approves the "new" team logo.
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PG: Deron
SG: Ray Allen
SF: Durant
PF: Scola
C: R. Lopez.
as I said in the other thread Ray will get about 25 MPG, and I plan on acuiring another SG at some point as insurance.
I know its just rehashing an old trade but if you could have kept that 4th rounder and given up a later pick or maybe got back a 6th and 7th rather than an 11th and 12th, you are one of the top teams in the league.
For instance if you got 6th and 7th rounders instead of 11th and 1th you could also have Kosta Koufos and Courtney Lee on your team. or Gerald Henderson and Andray Blatche. Suddenly, you have a completely different team.
As for the team that you do have, its a very good start but you have two 25 MPG role players in the starting lineup. Lopez, like his brother, is a poor rebounder for a 7 footer. He can D up okay and dunk really well but....And Ray is what he is. He's a sharp shooting 3 point specialist scorer who you have to limit to 25 MPG max.
Even with the superstars, you are a fringe playoff team right now, at best.
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Mile High City Nuggets (thru 7)
PG: Damian Lillard / Kyle Lowry
SG: Courtney Lee / [some Lillard and Webster minutes here]
SF: Wilson Chandler / Martell Webster
PF: Greg Monroe / [some Varejao minutes here]
C : Andrew Bogut / Anderson Varejao
No love for Denver, peeps?
I'm not gonna lie. I have no idea what to make of this team. There isn't a focal point. It reminds me of last year's cleveland cavaliers with Lillard playing the role of Irving and Monroe playing the role of Tristan Thompson.
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Mile High City Nuggets (thru 7)
PG: Damian Lillard / Kyle Lowry
SG: Courtney Lee / [some Lillard and Webster minutes here]
SF: Wilson Chandler / Martell Webster
PF: Greg Monroe / [some Varejao minutes here]
C : Andrew Bogut / Anderson Varejao
I've been confused by this team since Harden was shipped out. Monroe is not a true pf and will not be out on the perimeter on defense and if he does, he will likely get beat out by the faster 3 an 4's. You have three legit starting centers and only one of them is starting...at center. BPA sure, but I would have moved at least one of them. Two starting pgs where even if one or both play some sg, someone will lose minutes (probably Lowry). Package Lowry or even Lillard and VareClown for starting sg or multiple bench players at the 1, 2, 4 spots.
Thank you for the feedback but disagree on a few things. I will however save the counter arguments when the pressers comes up.
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Milwaukee Bucks
Not much changed, but please feel free to criticize or praise.
PG: Mike Conley / {Redick}
SG: JJ Redick / {Ariza}
SF: Paul George / Trevor Ariza
PF: Ryan Anderson / {George}
C: Emeka Okafor
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Mile High City Nuggets (thru 7)
PG: Damian Lillard / Kyle Lowry
SG: Courtney Lee / [some Lillard and Webster minutes here]
SF: Wilson Chandler / Martell Webster
PF: Greg Monroe / [some Varejao minutes here]
C : Andrew Bogut / Anderson Varejao
No love for Denver, peeps?
I'm not gonna lie. I have no idea what to make of this team. There isn't a focal point. It reminds me of last year's cleveland cavaliers with Lillard playing the role of Irving and Monroe playing the role of Tristan Thompson.
With better defensive and shooting wings and a deep bench and two rim protectors?
And Im sorry, I was going to save the counter arguments for the pressers but I just cant help it.
Greg Monroe > Tristan Thompson. Cant compare the both, skill wise, size wise and impact wise. Sorry but, just no.
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Mile High City Nuggets (thru 7)
PG: Damian Lillard / Kyle Lowry
SG: Courtney Lee / [some Lillard and Webster minutes here]
SF: Wilson Chandler / Martell Webster
PF: Greg Monroe / [some Varejao minutes here]
C : Andrew Bogut / Anderson Varejao
I've been confused by this team since Harden was shipped out. Monroe is not a true pf and will not be out on the perimeter on defense and if he does, he will likely get beat out by the faster 3 an 4's. You have three legit starting centers and only one of them is starting...at center. BPA sure, but I would have moved at least one of them. Two starting pgs where even if one or both play some sg, someone will lose minutes (probably Lowry). Package Lowry or even Lillard and VareClown for starting sg or multiple bench players at the 1, 2, 4 spots.
Thank you for the feedback but disagree on a few things. I will however save the counter arguments when the pressers comes up.
Glad I put the effort in. I look forward to the counter argument if it comes ;)
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Mile High City Nuggets (thru 7)
PG: Damian Lillard / Kyle Lowry
SG: Courtney Lee / [some Lillard and Webster minutes here]
SF: Wilson Chandler / Martell Webster
PF: Greg Monroe / [some Varejao minutes here]
C : Andrew Bogut / Anderson Varejao
I've been confused by this team since Harden was shipped out. Monroe is not a true pf and will not be out on the perimeter on defense and if he does, he will likely get beat out by the faster 3 an 4's. You have three legit starting centers and only one of them is starting...at center. BPA sure, but I would have moved at least one of them. Two starting pgs where even if one or both play some sg, someone will lose minutes (probably Lowry). Package Lowry or even Lillard and VareClown for starting sg or multiple bench players at the 1, 2, 4 spots.
Thank you for the feedback but disagree on a few things. I will however save the counter arguments when the pressers comes up.
Glad I put the effort in. I look forward to the counter argument if it comes ;)
Mile High City Nuggets (thru 7)
PG: Damian Lillard / Kyle Lowry
SG: Courtney Lee / [some Lillard and Webster minutes here]
SF: Wilson Chandler / Martell Webster
PF: Greg Monroe / [some Varejao minutes here]
C : Andrew Bogut / Anderson Varejao
I've been confused by this team since Harden was shipped out. Monroe is not a true pf and will not be out on the perimeter on defense and if he does, he will likely get beat out by the faster 3 an 4's. You have three legit starting centers and only one of them is starting...at center. BPA sure, but I would have moved at least one of them. Two starting pgs where even if one or both play some sg, someone will lose minutes (probably Lowry). Package Lowry or even Lillard and VareClown for starting sg or multiple bench players at the 1, 2, 4 spots.
I actually had it typed, but I didn't wanna flood the thread. ;D
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Mile High City Nuggets (thru 7)
PG: Damian Lillard / Kyle Lowry
SG: Courtney Lee / [some Lillard and Webster minutes here]
SF: Wilson Chandler / Martell Webster
PF: Greg Monroe / [some Varejao minutes here]
C : Andrew Bogut / Anderson Varejao
I really like the talent you've assembled here, I'm just not sure how it fits.
Bogut/Monroe/Varejao is a nice front court, but a bit redundant. Unless Bogut is able to play big minutes (not at all a given), the spacing is going to be questionable. Also, with a Bogut's injury hostory, it just seems like a bad idea to have the backup be someone with their own injury history. This has been discussed quite a bit, though, so I digress.
As for the back court, I'm just not sure Lillard is ready to handle the load he is going to be responsible for here. Individually, Lee, Webster and Chandler are good role players, but they need a ring leader. I'm not ready to say Lillard can be that guy.
Ultimately, unless Lillard can make a huge leap in his 2nd year, I see issues with scoring. Your front court will likely hold you bck from being an uptempo team, but the back court parts seem like they would be better suited to play fast and free.
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Mile High City Nuggets (thru 7)
PG: Damian Lillard / Kyle Lowry
SG: Courtney Lee / [some Lillard and Webster minutes here]
SF: Wilson Chandler / Martell Webster
PF: Greg Monroe / [some Varejao minutes here]
C : Andrew Bogut / Anderson Varejao
I really like the talent you've assembled here, I'm just not sure how it fits.
Bogut/Monroe/Varejao is a nice front court, but a bit redundant. Unless Bogut is able to play big minutes (not at all a given), the spacing is going to be questionable. Also, with a Bogut's injury hostory, it just seems like a bad idea to have the backup be someone with their own injury history. This has been discussed quite a bit, though, so I digress.
As for the back court, I'm just not sure Lillard is ready to handle the load he is going to be responsible for here. Individually, Lee, Webster and Chandler are good role players, but they need a ring leader. I'm not ready to say Lillard can be that guy.
Ultimately, unless Lillard can make a huge leap in his 2nd year, I see issues with scoring. Your front court will likely hold you bck from being an uptempo team, but the back court parts seem like they would be better suited to play fast and free.
Thanks for the feedback. Will counter argue come presser time.
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Wondering what people think after todays draft day.
PG: Rondo/Hinrich
SG: Martin/(Hinrich)
SF: DWilliams/Harkless
PF: Sanders/Bargnani
C: Lopez/(Sanders)
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More input for the CLEVELAND TOUGH GUYS?
PG: Ty Lawson
SG: Tony Allen / Jamal Crawford
SF: Gerald Wallace
PF: Al Horford / Carl Landry
C: Kevin Garnett
Find a tougher trio than TA-Wallace-KG. I dare ya.
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More input for the CLEVELAND TOUGH GUYS?
PG: Ty Lawson
SG: Tony Allen / Jamal Crawford
SF: Gerald Wallace
PF: Al Horford / Carl Landry
C: Kevin Garnett
Find a tougher trio than TA-Wallace-KG. I dare ya.
I really like it on defense, but Ty and Al have a lot of weight on their shoulders on offense. (Also Crawford)
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Didn't get anything last time, so:
Orlando Kobes
PG: George Hill/Jarrett Jack
SG: Kobe/Vince Carter/(Jack)
SF: Metta World Peace/(Carter)/(Kobe)
PF: Paul Millsap/Amar'e Stoudemire/Nick Collison
C: Omer Asik/(Stoudemire)/(Collison)
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Didn't get anything last time, so:
Orlando Kobes
PG: George Hill/Jarrett Jack
SG: Kobe/Vince Carter/(Jack)
SF: Metta World Peace/(Carter)/(Kobe)
PF: Paul Millsap/Amar'e Stoudemire/Nick Collison
C: Omer Asik/(Stoudemire)/(Collison)
really like the supporting cast you have surrounded kobe with
lik jarret jack and stoudemire of the bench
scary team
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The Dallas Mavericks!
PG: Tony Parker
SG: Eric Gordon, Knight
SF: AK47
PF: Faried, AK47
C: Enes Kanter
And coached by the all mighty Kevin Mchale
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Didn't get anything last time, so:
Orlando Kobes
PG: George Hill/Jarrett Jack
SG: Kobe/Vince Carter/(Jack)
SF: Metta World Peace/(Carter)/(Kobe)
PF: Paul Millsap/Amar'e Stoudemire/Nick Collison
C: Omer Asik/(Stoudemire)/(Collison)
Simply put, if Kobe's magic pills...oops....I meant, magic, special procedure on his Achilles tendon, gets him back to being Kobe Bryant early in the season or from the start of the season, this is one of the best 2-3 teams in this draft.
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Didn't get anything last time, so:
Orlando Kobes
PG: George Hill/Jarrett Jack
SG: Kobe/Vince Carter/(Jack)
SF: Metta World Peace/(Carter)/(Kobe)
PF: Paul Millsap/Amar'e Stoudemire/Nick Collison
C: Omer Asik/(Stoudemire)/(Collison)
I wanted to comment on this, but wasn't sure what happened with Webster (I saw him on Denver, and was confused).
George Hill is a great PG next to Kobe, I love it. So much so, that I had them together in the pick2 draft. These two really should work well together. Hill is a above average 3pt shooter and solid defender. This seems to be the mold, if you wanna play next to Kobe.
Love the Asik/Millsap front court. Asik will provide the defense, and Millsap can rebound and provide the offensive spacing with his midrange game necessary to allow Kobe to do his work. Collison really rounds out the front court well, he's just an all around solid player.
Not so sure what to think of MWP/VC/Amare. Yuck, is the best I can say. Amare probaly won't hurt you, as your front court is already stout, even without him. Having MWP starting at SF, with VC backing up Kobe and Metta isn't something I'm too fond of though.
This really could be a legit title contender if it wasn't for the unknown situation regarding Kobe's health. The overall fit seems good, despite some of my concerns, but it all really comes back to Kobe. Unfortunately, you won't have the benefit of time on your side. I have to imagine most will view his uncertainty as a negative, and it will ultimately hold you back.
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Thanks fitz, TP. Looking at your squad, I like the backcourt combo of Parker and Gordon, but I think you should've considered an impact big instead of Brandon Knight.
I like Knight more than most but your front line, while strong defensively and on the boards, is really gonna struggle to get buckets. TP and Gordon are going to bear a lot of the burden, and Knight is too small to work with them in a 3 guard setup. Teams are gonna clamp down hard on your backcourt if your bigs can't consistently make them pay.
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KGK: TP for the analysis. I did crib the Hill/Kobe backcourt from your Brooklyn Pick-2 squad. The 3 is my soft spot (I traded Webster to Yoki) but VC and MWP between them make a good counter to most kinds of lineups, with MWP able to match up with smaller 4s and VC playing the 2/3 bench scorer role he was effective in with the Mavs. And it never hurts to have a crazy guy with title experience next to Kobe.
Returning the favor, you've got one of the best 1-3 setups out there. And Anderson is no slouch at 4, while Mek anchors the D. But you've got a huge deficit of backup bigs. I'd recommend looking for quality bigs with at least your next 2 picks, just to have the flexibility to match up with the different lineups you'll see. If voters think another team's size will overwhelm you it'll be hard to talk them out of it without an option off the bench. Definite playoff team and possible contender depending how things play out.
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Wondering what people think after todays draft day.
PG: Rondo/Hinrich
SG: Martin/(Hinrich)
SF: DWilliams/Harkless
PF: Sanders/Bargnani
C: Lopez/(Sanders)
Missed you picking up Bargnani. That's a nice 3-man big rotation you've got there. Plenty of offense and enough defense. Hinrich knows how to be effective starting or coming off the bench (he did it in Chicago), so he's an excellent pickup. Martin and Rondo is an intriguing starting 1-2. I could see them working well together.
Not completely sold on Derrick Williams at the 3. That'd be my only complaint. Maybe add another defensive specialist in the backcourt.
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KGK: TP for the analysis. I did crib the Hill/Kobe backcourt from your Brooklyn Pick-2 squad. The 3 is my soft spot (I traded Webster to Yoki) but VC and MWP between them make a good counter to most kinds of lineups, with MWP able to match up with smaller 4s and VC playing the 2/3 bench scorer role he was effective in with the Mavs. And it never hurts to have a crazy guy with title experience next to Kobe.
Returning the favor, you've got one of the best 1-3 setups out there. And Anderson is no slouch at 4, while Mek anchors the D. But you've got a huge deficit of backup bigs. I'd recommend looking for quality bigs with at least your next 2 picks, just to have the flexibility to match up with the different lineups you'll see. If voters think another team's size will overwhelm you it'll be hard to talk them out of it without an option off the bench. Definite playoff team and possible contender depending how things play out.
TP back at ya FWF.
Yeah, I'm more than well aware my front court still needs work. I was really hoping to address it in round 6, but when I made my list, I just couldn't put some of the available bigs ahead of the swing men who fit the mold of 6th man.
I just absolutely love what Ariza will do to complement my starting 1-3. And yes, I fully plan on making other teams pay for not being as stout in this area. Normally, I also like to have a solid stable of bigs, but picking in the middle of the draft has been difficult. You basically have to choose one or the other.
I ain't scared to be a bit "different".
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Didn't get anything last time, so:
Orlando Kobes
PG: George Hill/Jarrett Jack
SG: Kobe/Vince Carter/(Jack)
SF: Metta World Peace/(Carter)/(Kobe)
PF: Paul Millsap/Amar'e Stoudemire/Nick Collison
C: Omer Asik/(Stoudemire)/(Collison)
Your team is extremely versatile, fwf. I'm a big fan. You are, of course, at a big risk injury/performance-wise with your exposure to stoudemire, kobe, mwp, and aging vince carter. If things go right for you, you are a force to be reckoned with. Worst case, I think you are a still a fringe playoff team.
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The Dallas Mavericks!
PG: Tony Parker
SG: Eric Gordon, Knight
SF: AK47
PF: Faried, AK47
C: Enes Kanter
And coached by the all mighty Kevin Mchale
This team is quality from top to bottom, but you'll need to keep it up in the late rounds. You need a solid two-way guy on the wing and a competent, versatile big. No one is going to "carry" this team, so you need every one of these players doing what they do to be a contender.
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Wondering what people think after todays draft day.
PG: Rondo/Hinrich
SG: Martin/(Hinrich)
SF: DWilliams/Harkless
PF: Sanders/Bargnani
C: Lopez/(Sanders)
Solid team but concerns on the SF spot.
Derrick Williams is still considered a tweener and has not shown that he can be a three, so I think I'd rather start Harkless.
I mean no disrespect as well but outside of Rondo and Sanders, this is nota very good defensive team. Problem is, there's not a ton of firepower as well to offset that.
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More input for the CLEVELAND TOUGH GUYS?
PG: Ty Lawson
SG: Tony Allen / Jamal Crawford
SF: Gerald Wallace
PF: Al Horford / Carl Landry
C: Kevin Garnett
Find a tougher trio than TA-Wallace-KG. I dare ya.
I think this is the best defensive team in the league. Your next two rotation players are going to be critical. I think there are some shooters and/or crazy creator types on the board that could do the job
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You are, of course, at a big risk injury/performance-wise with your exposure to stoudemire, kobe, mwp, and aging vince carter.
I was kinda surprised to see that MWP has only missed 16 total games over the last 4 years, and VC hasn't missed more than 9 games in the last 10 seasons. They're both still very durable.
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Wondering what people think after todays draft day.
PG: Rondo/Hinrich
SG: Martin/(Hinrich)
SF: DWilliams/Harkless
PF: Sanders/Bargnani
C: Lopez/(Sanders)
Solid team but concerns on the SF spot.
Derrick Williams is still considered a tweener and has not shown that he can be a three, so I think I'd rather start Harkless.
I mean no disrespect as well but outside of Rondo and Sanders, this is nota very good defensive team. Problem is, there's not a ton of firepower as well to offset that.
My concern is the three slot as well but we can run a number of different lineups that could be effective. Sanders and Williams can play the 4/5 together. Bargs Sanders, Bargs Williams. Plenty of options to get Williams out of that three slot.
I like Sanders and Rondo on defense and Lopez can at least protect the rim. Harkless is young but is 6 9 and is very athletic. And Hinrich is a solid defender as well. A couple more pick ups in the next couple days should round me out nicely.
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You are, of course, at a big risk injury/performance-wise with your exposure to stoudemire, kobe, mwp, and aging vince carter.
I was kinda surprised to see that MWP has only missed 16 total games over the last 4 years, and VC hasn't missed more than 9 games in the last 10 seasons. They're both still very durable.
yeah, I put MWP in the "performance-wise" risk category. He can be a net negative on offense these days.
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Didn't get anything last time, so:
Orlando Kobes
PG: George Hill/Jarrett Jack
SG: Kobe/Vince Carter/(Jack)
SF: Metta World Peace/(Carter)/(Kobe)
PF: Paul Millsap/Amar'e Stoudemire/Nick Collison
C: Omer Asik/(Stoudemire)/(Collison)
I was very unimpressed with the starting lineup at first glance (meaning I thought it was a .500 team), then saw the positive comments and took another look. I felt it would lack scoring and be too Kobe dependent and he'd be forced to score at a low efficiency.
Then I saw Amare on the bench. I think Amare is a really really good fit for this team. He can still score 15ppg off the bench and really bolsters the squad. Jack is obviously a top bench guy in the league as well. Kobe hasn't had a bench he can depend on to not only hold leagues, but actually build leads in... I can't remember. I like that a lot.
The starting lineup is still asking a lot of Kobe at his age, which I think will keep this team from being a top contender, but I like it.
p.s. This team is definitely appropriately named. Good work on that,
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PG: Deron
SG: Ray Allen
SF: Durant
PF: Scola
C: R. Lopez.
as I said in the other thread Ray will get about 25 MPG, and I plan on acuiring another SG at some point as insurance.
I know its just rehashing an old trade but if you could have kept that 4th rounder and given up a later pick or maybe got back a 6th and 7th rather than an 11th and 12th, you are one of the top teams in the league.
For instance if you got 6th and 7th rounders instead of 11th and 1th you could also have Kosta Koufos and Courtney Lee on your team. or Gerald Henderson and Andray Blatche. Suddenly, you have a completely different team.
As for the team that you do have, its a very good start but you have two 25 MPG role players in the starting lineup. Lopez, like his brother, is a poor rebounder for a 7 footer. He can D up okay and dunk really well but....And Ray is what he is. He's a sharp shooting 3 point specialist scorer who you have to limit to 25 MPG max.
Even with the superstars, you are a fringe playoff team right now, at best.
I agree a lot with nick's assessment, except that you are a fringe playoff team right now. I think you are definitely a playoff team. SGs have gotten a lot of open looks from 3 on OKC the past few years and I think Ray will get those and knock them down regularly. Your team will depend heavily on how else you build around it. You only need one more good scorer off the bench and the rest defense and good fits. I'd like another somewhat of an impact player in some manner.
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Mile High City Nuggets (thru 7)
PG: Damian Lillard / Kyle Lowry
SG: Courtney Lee / [some Lillard and Webster minutes here]
SF: Wilson Chandler / Martell Webster
PF: Greg Monroe / [some Varejao minutes here]
C : Andrew Bogut / Anderson Varejao
Very very good bench. Not enough minutes that Lowry deserves though. You should try to trade Lowry to IP and get back another player of Lowry's level like Lebron James or Kevin Durant.
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Hey guys,
I would be interested to know what you think of where I'm at
Brooklyn, coached by Doc Rivers
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1. Russell Westbrook
2. Manu Ginobili / Tyreke Evans
3. Kawhi Leonard
4. J.J. Hickson
5. Kosta Koufos / Nerlens Noel
My goal is a team that can play up tempo like Denver but defend more like, say, OKC. I had some bumps in the road- my 3rd and 4th picks came in quite late because of some travel problems and I was shockingly ignorant of the recent whispers that Noel will sit the whole season.
I still think I've got a squad that can gel. My big failure is the interior defensive presence. Koufos is an excellent PnR defender and I was lucky to get him so late, but I've got no one who can stand up to a decent post-up offense. I'm not sure what I'll find from here out.
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I think your big man rotation is a disaster. Koufos is a solid C, but nothing special. Definitely not an anchor.
Hickson is a bad player when he's slotted in as an undersized C to make him work offensively. At PF he doesn't work on offense or defense.
Noel is a great prospect, but a complete question mark.
I love the talent at guard/wing, but I'm skeptical Westbrook/Manu/Tyreke makes sense. All three are at their best with the ball, hard to make that mesh. I think you'll need some low usage shooters to make it all hum.
I haven't analyzed most of the league, so I can't say if your a playoff team or not, but if you are its on the bottom end due to your big men.
Edit PS: Denver's system was built on uptempo and a huge dose of small ball with Gallo/Chandler/Brewer at the 4, are you going to do the same with Leonard?
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I think your big man rotation is a disaster. Koufos is a solid C, but nothing special. Definitely not an anchor.
Hickson is a bad player when he's slotted in as an undersized C to make him work offensively. At PF he doesn't work on offense or defense.
Noel is a great prospect, but a complete question mark.
I love the talent at guard/wing, but I'm skeptical Westbrook/Manu/Tyreke makes sense. All three are at their best with the ball, hard to make that mesh. I think you'll need some low usage shooters to make it all hum.
I haven't analyzed most of the league, so I can't say if your a playoff team or not, but if you are its on the bottom end due to your big men.
Edit PS: Denver's system was built on uptempo and a huge dose of small ball with Gallo/Chandler/Brewer at the 4, are you going to do the same with Leonard?
I think this is a fair assessment. Going along with what I said about a Denver-esque offense, my hope with hickson is that he can play a Kenneth Faried role. He's efficient (or at least he was this year), he's a very good finisher, and he's a great rebounder... and he's absolutely nothing else. Denver acquired him, so I'm guessing they agree with me.
... so Hickson plays PF.
...but I really need competent bigs and some shooters who can play off the ball. It may be too late.
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Fixed the lack of shooting in the starting lineup
PG: Ty Lawson / [Crawford]
SG: Tony Allen / Jamal Crawford
SF: Caron Butler / Gerald Wallace
PF: Al Horford / Carl Landry / [Wallace]
C: Kevin Garnett / [Horford]
Wallace will start against the better SFs / more mobile PFs of the league.
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Fixed the lack of shooting in the starting lineup
PG: Ty Lawson / [Crawford]
SG: Tony Allen / Jamal Crawford
SF: Caron Butler / Gerald Wallace
PF: Al Horford / Carl Landry / [Wallace]
C: Kevin Garnett / [Horford]
Wallace will start against the better SFs / more mobile PFs of the league.
I think this is my favorite team in the CB Draft.
Cleveland, Orlando, and Minnesota are the top-tier contenders in my mind. I like Champ's team, too, although it could maybe use a little massaging.
Who am I overlooking?
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Fixed the lack of shooting in the starting lineup
PG: Ty Lawson / [Crawford]
SG: Tony Allen / Jamal Crawford
SF: Caron Butler / Gerald Wallace
PF: Al Horford / Carl Landry / [Wallace]
C: Kevin Garnett / [Horford]
Wallace will start against the better SFs / more mobile PFs of the league.
I think this is my favorite team in the CB Draft.
Cleveland, Orlando, and Minnesota are the top-tier contenders in my mind. I like Champ's team, too, although it could maybe use a little massaging.
Who am I overlooking?
Miami, predictably.
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Fixed the lack of shooting in the starting lineup
PG: Ty Lawson / [Crawford]
SG: Tony Allen / Jamal Crawford
SF: Caron Butler / Gerald Wallace
PF: Al Horford / Carl Landry / [Wallace]
C: Kevin Garnett / [Horford]
Wallace will start against the better SFs / more mobile PFs of the league.
I think this is my favorite team in the CB Draft.
Cleveland, Orlando, and Minnesota are the top-tier contenders in my mind. I like Champ's team, too, although it could maybe use a little massaging.
Who am I overlooking?
Miami, predictably.
Overlooking the KC-At-The-Stripes is a CelticsBlog tradition, though.
Plus, do you really want my support? Last year I thought you had an excellent team, and you got upset in the second round by a team with an injured center, injured point guard, and aging shooting guard.
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Jeff Teague, Sessions
OJ Mayo, (Barnes)
MKG, Barnes
Davis West, Sully, (Blatche)
Tim Duncan, Birdman, (Blatche)
Could've drafted Sully when I got Blatche but I think it gives me everything from my big men after adding Birdman. Defense, offense, rebounding, guys who can operate outside the paint.
Post Butler/MKG Trade, thoughts?
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Posting his more for personal reference above anything else since we're looking to make more moves, but feel free to compliment and/or critique as well:
Calderon | Barea
Matthews | Delfino | [Pondexter]
Mbah a Moute | Pondexter | [Delfino] | [Matthews]
Nowitzki | Davis | [Mbah a Moute]
Gasol | [Davis] | Olynyk
I didn't realize this earlier, but I must say I'm quite pleased with the versatility of our bench.
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Posting his more for personal reference above anything else since we're looking to make more moves, but feel free to compliment and/or critique as well:
Calderon | Barea
Matthews | Delfino | [Pondexter]
Mbah a Moute | Pondexter | [Delfino] | [Matthews]
Nowitzki | Davis | [Mbah a Moute]
Gasol | [Davis] | Olynyk
I didn't realize this earlier, but I must say I'm quite pleased with the versatility of our bench.
Please include first names where there might be confusion
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Please include first names where there might be confusion
Sorry about that. Like I said, the post was more for personal reference. If you need clarification on names, take a look at my signature. I'll make a more detailed post later.
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Posting his more for personal reference above anything else since we're looking to make more moves, but feel free to compliment and/or critique as well:
Calderon | Barea
Matthews | Delfino | [Pondexter]
Mbah a Moute | Pondexter | [Delfino] | [Matthews]
Nowitzki | Davis | [Mbah a Moute]
Gasol | [Davis] | Olynyk
I didn't realize this earlier, but I must say I'm quite pleased with the versatility of our bench.
Please include first names where there might be confusion
He's referring to Luc Mbah a Moute.
You're welcome.
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After 9 rounds.
1. Goran Dragic
2. James Harden/Jason Terry
3. Nic Batum/Tayshaun Prince
4. Al Jefferson/Boris Diaw
5. Marcin Gortat
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After 9 rounds.
1. Goran Dragic
2. James Harden/Jason Terry
3. Nic Batum/Tayshaun Prince
4. Al Jefferson/Boris Diaw
5. Marcin Gortat
I really like your team, except for the big man situation.
I don't like Jefferson next to Gortat, and I don't like Diaw as the primary backup big man.
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FWIW, I think Golden State is considerably better than every non-Lebron team out there. So kudos to whoever runs that team.
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FWIW, I think Golden State is considerably better than every non-Lebron team out there. So kudos to whoever runs that team.
I agree with this. GSW along with SAS are two teams that aren't getting talked about enough. The Aldridge deal really helped GSW and SAS just kept up with consistent, solid drafting.
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FWIW, I think Golden State is considerably better than every non-Lebron team out there. So kudos to whoever runs that team.
I agree with this. GSW along with SAS are two teams that aren't getting talked about enough. The Aldridge deal really helped GSW and SAS just kept up with consistent, solid drafting.
Golden State has excellent individual talent. However, they're a team where I just don't like how all the pieces fit together. I think pairing Hibbert with a couple of mostly flat-footed / slow rotating defenders is a tough sell, and I think there are a few too many volume shooters.
As for San Antonio, they lost me at the center position. A team with Javale McGee starting at center isn't going to win in the playoffs. Stick a guy like Varejao on that team instead of McGee and a rookie, and I'd be much more impressed with them.
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FWIW, I think Golden State is considerably better than every non-Lebron team out there. So kudos to whoever runs that team.
I agree with this. GSW along with SAS are two teams that aren't getting talked about enough. The Aldridge deal really helped GSW and SAS just kept up with consistent, solid drafting.
I dare say I don't think team Lebron is actually the clear-cut front runner. There are some very good defenders on that team- Bradley, Ibaka, Battier, and Taj Gibson, but their shooting is really terrible and their secondary ball handlers are about as mistake-prone guys as you can get (Bradley and Monta Ellis). Lebron is going to get real tired of diving into a packed paint every play.
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Golden State has excellent individual talent. However, they're a team where I just don't like how all the pieces fit together. I think pairing Hibbert with a couple of mostly flat-footed / slow rotating defenders is a tough sell, and I think there are a few too many volume shooters.
As for San Antonio, they lost me at the center position. A team with Javale McGee starting at center isn't going to win in the playoffs. Stick a guy like Varejao on that team instead of McGee and a rookie, and I'd be much more impressed with them.
Interesting points. I don't think the frontcourt pairing will be too much of an issue, but it's definitely true they have a lot of volume shooters for GSW. I'm not sure McGee at the center is enough to sink the whole ship for SAS, as the rest of their team is very well constructed, but it's a valid concern.
For what it's worth, what do you think about the Lakers? I can't name another team that can even come close to our offensive efficiency, and we're pretty sound defensively. I worry that our lack of marketable players will do us in though. The fact that our team hasn't been critiqued much, let alone complimented, makes me wonder if our team is simply too boring.
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Nuggets after 9. Coached by Pat Riley
Damian Lillard / Kyle Lowry
Courtney Lee
Wilson Chandler / Martell Webster
Greg Monroe / Mareesse Speights
Andrew Bogut / Anderson Varejao
Need a backup 2 and we're good to go.
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For what it's worth, what do you think about the Lakers? I can't name another team that can even come close to our offensive efficiency, and we're pretty sound defensively. I worry that our lack of marketable players will do us in though. The fact that our team hasn't been critiqued much, let alone complimented, makes me wonder if our team is simply too boring.
I'm not sure; I'm still assessing.
My concerns are having two defensive liabilities in the starting lineup. You've done a good job covering for Dirk, because Mbah a Moute can cover PFs, and Gasol is of course an excellent defender. The only teams that will burn Dirk's defense are teams that have strong offensive options at SF, PF, and C. Not a huge concern.
The back court is a little bigger concern. I don't like Matthews covering PGs, and Calderon is a truly terrible defender. There are a lot of really good PGs, and this opens you up to some vulnerabilities.
Offensively, I love the balance of Gasol / Dirk, and you've got great shooting surrounding them. It's a solid variation on the Orlando D12 offense. Teams may be able to double off of Mbah a Moute, but otherwise it's a very strong offense.
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Thanks for the reply.
From your comments, it seems like we really only have one defensive liability rather than two, with that one being Calderon. By saying you don't like Matthews covering PGs, are you implying Calderon would be better off guarding the opposing SGs? To me, wouldn't that make Calderon even more of a liability? With Dirk and Marc both being solid help defenders down low, we're well equipped to challenge any dribble penetration given up by Calderon. I'd rather have that than Calderon giving up a huge height disadvantage. Besides, I think a team can afford to have one defensive liability; Calderon is going to be our weak link, but the rest of the starters can pick up the slack, especially under the guidance of Thibs.
That being said, your comments have made me realize it makes more sense having Pondexter as the starting SF. Teams can't afford to double off him, and he can also guard opposing PGs (although like I said earlier, I'm not too sure how beneficial that'd be). LRMAM is mainly there to contain bigger SFs that QP might have some trouble with. I should add that LRMAM is arguably the best defender to throw at Lebron, KD, Melo, etc. We have a lot of positional versatility to match up with all sorts of teams.
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SAN ANTONIO SPURS
PG Kemba Walker
SG Andre Iguodala/Marcus Thornton
SF Danny Granger
PF Kevin Love/Thaddeus Young
C JaVale McGee
Coach Rick Carlisle
WW- I think that, from a talent and value standpoint, you have one of the absolute top teams.
From a chemistry standpoint, I have no idea how to this team works. I don't think you are set up to maximize these players; I would start wheeling and dealing. If you were able to deal Love and Granger for more up-tempo players of comparable skill level, you could have the team that the Nuggets are trying to be. If you could trade Javale for a more conventional down-low defensive anchor type center, you could have a great half-court team that still has guys that will push some exciting transitions. Right now, you're stuck in a weird limbo.
San Antonio will commit to an up-tempo game. John Wooden himself called Love the best outlet passer since Walton, so while he may not be the quickest power forward in the NBA he's very much the engine of our fast break. We want to exploit Walker and Iguodala in the open floor. It should be enough that are three other big men, McGee, Young and Zeller are gazelles.
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Updated Milwaukee Bukcs roster:
PG: Mike Conley / Jerryd Bayless
SG: JJ Redick / Alonzo Gee
SF: Paul George / Trevor Ariza
PF: Ryan Anderson / Reggie Evans
C: Emeka Okafor
So, whaddya tink?
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Updated Dallas Mavs
PG: Tony Parker, Will Bynum
SG: Eric Gordon, Brandon Knight
SF: AK47, Jonas Jerebko
PF: Kenneth Faried, Tyler Hansborough
C: Enes Kanter, Chris Kaman
Coached by Kevin McHale
Thoughts?
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Posting his more for personal reference above anything else since we're looking to make more moves, but feel free to compliment and/or critique as well:
Calderon | Barea
Matthews | Delfino | [Pondexter]
Mbah a Moute | Pondexter | [Delfino] | [Matthews]
Nowitzki | Davis | [Mbah a Moute]
Gasol | [Davis] | Olynyk
I didn't realize this earlier, but I must say I'm quite pleased with the versatility of our bench.
I'm warming up starting Mbah a Moute, he's a first rate defender, finishing top-40 in points per possession allowed, 0.63 PPP, and holding opponents to a miserly 33% shooting. He should also bolster Gasol and Nowitzki's rebounding from the 3.
He will make things somewhat tougher offensively for his teammates, as he can be safely doubled off of - and the lack of a second ball handler in the starting leaves the Lakers vulnerable to ball pressure.
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Nuggets after 9. Coached by Pat Riley
Damian Lillard / Kyle Lowry
Courtney Lee
Wilson Chandler / Martell Webster
Greg Monroe / Mareesse Speights
Andrew Bogut / Anderson Varejao
Need a backup 2 and we're good to go.
The size and depth of the team's frontcourt it's greatest asset. Nuggets also sport possibly the best point guard tandem in the league? Do the Nuggets still intend to run? And where does Monroe fit into that plan? The Pistons last season were a slow paced team, and I wonder how pairing Monroe with Bogut, as opposed to Varejao will affect the tempo?
I do like Chandler's off ball play on this roster, as well as the post passing. Is Lillard the team's #1 scoring option?
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Nuggets after 9. Coached by Pat Riley
Damian Lillard / Kyle Lowry
Courtney Lee
Wilson Chandler / Martell Webster
Greg Monroe / Mareesse Speights
Andrew Bogut / Anderson Varejao
Need a backup 2 and we're good to go.
The size and depth of the team's frontcourt it's greatest asset. Nuggets also sport possibly the best point guard tandem in the league? Do the Nuggets still intend to run? And where does Monroe fit into that plan? The Pistons last season were a slow paced team, and I wonder how pairing Monroe with Bogut, as opposed to Varejao will affect the tempo?
I do like Chandler's off ball play on this roster, as well as the post passing. Is Lillard the team's #1 scoring option?
While he may not be as good as Love, Bogut is a good outlet passer in his own right.
And just because Monroe and Bogut are slow footed doesnt mean this team won't run when. Not when Wilson Chandler is on this squad.
Yes, Lillard would be the number 1. Sounds like a not so good idea, but he knows how to be number 1. He showed it in college, and he's making strides in his rookie year.
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Updated Dallas Mavs
PG: Tony Parker, Will Bynum
SG: Eric Gordon, Brandon Knight
SF: AK47, Jonas Jerebko
PF: Kenneth Faried, Tyler Hansborough
C: Enes Kanter, Chris Kaman
Coached by Kevin McHale
Thoughts?
Even though you weren't around today, I think you made some good additions in Bynum, Jerebko, and Hansborough.
I can't tell what to make of this team, though. I'm inclined to believe that a team led by Tony Parker is a contender, but I'm not sure Kanter or Knight are ready for that stage yet.
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Updated Milwaukee Bukcs roster:
PG: Mike Conley / Jerryd Bayless
SG: JJ Redick / Alonzo Gee
SF: Paul George / Trevor Ariza
PF: Ryan Anderson / Reggie Evans
C: Emeka Okafor
So, whaddya tink?
Reggie Evans is a great fit. Gives you the kind of toughness you were lacking at the PF spot with Anderson (and George when he plays there). Bayless is a bink of mine, so I like that. I think Gee and Ariza are a little redundant off the bench, however. I would have liked to see a slashing spark instead of one of those two.
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FWIW, I think Golden State is considerably better than every non-Lebron team out there. So kudos to whoever runs that team.
Thanks for the love. Still an unfinished product tho. TP.
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Nuggets after 9. Coached by Pat Riley
Damian Lillard / Kyle Lowry
Courtney Lee
Wilson Chandler / Martell Webster
Greg Monroe / Mareesse Speights
Andrew Bogut / Anderson Varejao
Need a backup 2 and we're good to go.
I think your best position is PG. Lillard and Lowry are both great in my book, and it's awesome that you'll always have at least one of them running the offense. The bigs rotation is a little more balanced now with Speights instead of Landry. He expects a few less minutes I think. Have you considered starting Varejao at the 4 and Monroe at the 5? With Bogut coming in and creating primarily a 3-man rotation. I think Monroe would fit better at C and you should maximize his minutes there.
Your wings are the definition of "meh" to me.
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Hey guys,
I would be interested to know what you think of where I'm at
Brooklyn, coached by Doc Rivers
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1. Russell Westbrook
2. Manu Ginobili / Tyreke Evans
3. Kawhi Leonard
4. J.J. Hickson
5. Kosta Koufos / Nerlens Noel
My goal is a team that can play up tempo like Denver but defend more like, say, OKC. I had some bumps in the road- my 3rd and 4th picks came in quite late because of some travel problems and I was shockingly ignorant of the recent whispers that Noel will sit the whole season.
I still think I've got a squad that can gel. My big failure is the interior defensive presence. Koufos is an excellent PnR defender and I was lucky to get him so late, but I've got no one who can stand up to a decent post-up offense. I'm not sure what I'll find from here out.
I love the backcourt rotation, and the prospect of pairing an aggressive Westbrook with a couple of dangerous combo-guards and a high efficiency, low usage small forward. That's the core of a contender 1-4. Unfortunately the front court is thin Hickson is a reliable double-double threat, who thrives around the rim, but he's not an asset if he's playing 30+ minutes. Koufos likewise is a steady rotation big who's better in short stints.
That leaves Noel. He's eventually expected to be an All-Defense team candidate, but that won't happen this season. He's young, raw, light, and having to sit out training camp will only set him further back.
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What does Cleveland need?
Also, if you're curious, this is the likely playoff rotation:
Lawson (35) / Crawford (13)
Allen (30) / Crawford (18)
Butler (28) / Wallace (20)
Horford (20) / Landry (28)
Garnett (35) / Horford (13)
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SAN ANTONIO SPURS
PG Kemba Walker/Luke Ridnour
SG Andre Iguodala/Marcus Thornton
SF Danny Granger
PF Kevin Love/Thaddeus Young
C JaVale McGee/Cody Zeller
Coach Rick Carlisle
(http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/files/2011/03/Spurs-fans-306.jpg)
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What does Cleveland need?
Also, if you're curious, this is the likely playoff rotation:
Lawson (35) / Crawford (13)
Allen (30) / Crawford (18)
Butler (28) / Wallace (20)
Horford (20) / Landry (28)
Garnett (35) / Horford (13)
A true backup pg as Jamal is not going to cut it.
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What does Cleveland need?
Also, if you're curious, this is the likely playoff rotation:
Lawson (35) / Crawford (13)
Allen (30) / Crawford (18)
Butler (28) / Wallace (20)
Horford (20) / Landry (28)
Garnett (35) / Horford (13)
A true backup pg as Jamal is not going to cut it.
While I agree that we need one for the regular season, Jamal will certainly hold his own in the playoffs. His handles are ridiculous. They call him Jamal Crossover for a reason.
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SAN ANTONIO SPURS
PG Kemba Walker/Luke Ridnour
SG Andre Iguodala/Marcus Thornton
SF Danny Granger
PF Kevin Love/Thaddeus Young
C JaVale McGee/Cody Zeller
Coach Rick Carlisle
(http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/files/2011/03/Spurs-fans-306.jpg)
Kemba... very interesting PG selection. Interesting in a good way. I have absolutely no idea what your team offense will look like. You've got starters at the 1-3 who have been somewhat inefficient scorers in the NBA, but they've also been "the guy" on those teams and now I imagine will be 2nd banana to Love.
This is a team like GS Warriors last summer who I'd be really intrigued to watch play in the preseason.
Also, I really like Luke Ridnour as a more traditional pg for you off the bench. I think that will keep your team from being too crazy.
You have 5 very quality guys that can man all the minutes of your 1-3 positions. Kemba can play 2, Iggy can play 3.
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Nuggets after 9. Coached by Pat Riley
Damian Lillard / Kyle Lowry
Courtney Lee
Wilson Chandler / Martell Webster
Greg Monroe / Mareesse Speights
Andrew Bogut / Anderson Varejao
Need a backup 2 and we're good to go.
I think your best position is PG. Lillard and Lowry are both great in my book, and it's awesome that you'll always have at least one of them running the offense. The bigs rotation is a little more balanced now with Speights instead of Landry. He expects a few less minutes I think. Have you considered starting Varejao at the 4 and Monroe at the 5? With Bogut coming in and creating primarily a 3-man rotation. I think Monroe would fit better at C and you should maximize his minutes there.
Your wings are the definition of "meh" to me.
ANd that's where the beauty of this team's deep bench, especially up front come in. While Bogut is the penciled starter because he's a rim protector, When matchups present themselves, we can insert Varejao, like you said without losing any significant production.
It'll be a long argument with the wings claim, will save it for the pressers. Thanks AB and TWW for the positive feedback.
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What does Cleveland need?
Also, if you're curious, this is the likely playoff rotation:
Lawson (35) / Crawford (13)
Allen (30) / Crawford (18)
Butler (28) / Wallace (20)
Horford (20) / Landry (28)
Garnett (35) / Horford (13)
A true backup pg as Jamal is not going to cut it.
While I agree that we need one for the regular season, Jamal will certainly hold his own in the playoffs. His handles are ridiculous. They call him Jamal Crossover for a reason.
"Jamal Crossover" can crossover all he wants but he is a very inefficient scorer when he's creating his own shot, which he'd be doing as a PG.
He's "OK" as a backup PG, but much better as a backup "SG" (one of the best in the league), when he has someone to distribute to him.
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What does Cleveland need?
Also, if you're curious, this is the likely playoff rotation:
Lawson (35) / Crawford (13)
Allen (30) / Crawford (18)
Butler (28) / Wallace (20)
Horford (20) / Landry (28)
Garnett (35) / Horford (13)
A true backup pg as Jamal is not going to cut it.
While I agree that we need one for the regular season, Jamal will certainly hold his own in the playoffs. His handles are ridiculous. They call him Jamal Crossover for a reason.
In theory it makes perfect sense, but no he is not an ideal backup pg. He does have amazing handles, but playing the point he will get about one turnover per assist.
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Team MOD
Kyrie Irving/Isaiah Thomas
Lance Stephenson/Evan Fournier
Danillo Gallinari/Corey Brewer
Pau Gasol/Gallinari/Splitter
Tiago Splitter/Jonas Valanciunas
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Posting his more for personal reference above anything else since we're looking to make more moves, but feel free to compliment and/or critique as well:
Calderon | Barea
Matthews | Delfino | [Pondexter]
Mbah a Moute | Pondexter | [Delfino] | [Matthews]
Nowitzki | Davis | [Mbah a Moute]
Gasol | [Davis] | Olynyk
I didn't realize this earlier, but I must say I'm quite pleased with the versatility of our bench.
I'm warming up starting Mbah a Moute, he's a first rate defender, finishing top-40 in points per possession allowed, 0.63 PPP, and holding opponents to a miserly 33% shooting. He should also bolster Gasol and Nowitzki's rebounding from the 3.
He will make things somewhat tougher offensively for his teammates, as he can be safely doubled off of - and the lack of a second ball handler in the starting leaves the Lakers vulnerable to ball pressure.
Thanks for the input as always, TWW.
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What does Cleveland need?
Also, if you're curious, this is the likely playoff rotation:
Lawson (35) / Crawford (13)
Allen (30) / Crawford (18)
Butler (28) / Wallace (20)
Horford (20) / Landry (28)
Garnett (35) / Horford (13)
A true backup pg as Jamal is not going to cut it.
While I agree that we need one for the regular season, Jamal will certainly hold his own in the playoffs. His handles are ridiculous. They call him Jamal Crossover for a reason.
In theory it makes perfect sense, but no he is not an ideal backup pg. He does have amazing handles, but playing the point he will get about one turnover per assist.
Jamal is a great ball handler. Just so long as nobody else expects shots. You may be able to get away with it. SO once won it all with Rudy Fernandez as his back-up point guard.
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PG: Tony Parker, Will Bynum
SG: Eric Gordon, Brandon Knight
SF: AK47, Jonas Jerebko
PF: Faried, Tyler Hansborough
C: Enes Kanter, Chris Kaman
thoughts on euro.. i mean dallas mavs
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Posting his more for personal reference above anything else since we're looking to make more moves, but feel free to compliment and/or critique as well:
Calderon | Barea
Matthews | Delfino | [Pondexter]
Mbah a Moute | Pondexter | [Delfino] | [Matthews]
Nowitzki | Davis | [Mbah a Moute]
Gasol | [Davis] | Olynyk
I didn't realize this earlier, but I must say I'm quite pleased with the versatility of our bench.
I'm warming up to starting Mbah a Moute, he's a first rate defender, finishing top-40 in points per possession allowed, 0.63 PPP, and holding opponents to a meager 33% shooting. He should also bolster Gasol and Nowitzki's rebounding from the 3.
He will make things somewhat tougher offensively for his teammates, as he can be safely doubled off of - and the lack of a second ball handler in the starting five leaves the Lakers vulnerable to ball pressure.
Thanks for the input as always, TWW.
Likewise, thank you for your feedback last night.
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Jrue Holiday/Greivis Vasquez/Nate Robinson
Danny Green/J.R Smith
Shawn Marion/Chris Copeland
David Lee/Brandon Bass
Tyson Chandler/Brandan Wright
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SAN ANTONIO SPURS
PG Kemba Walker/Luke Ridnour
SG Andre Iguodala/Marcus Thornton
SF Danny Granger
PF Kevin Love/Thaddeus Young
C JaVale McGee/Cody Zeller
Coach Rick Carlisle
Kemba... very interesting PG selection. Interesting in a good way. I have absolutely no idea what your team offense will look like. You've got starters at the 1-3 who have been somewhat inefficient scorers in the NBA, but they've also been "the guy" on those teams and now I imagine will be 2nd banana to Love.
This is a team like GS Warriors last summer who I'd be really intrigued to watch play in the preseason.
Also, I really like Luke Ridnour as a more traditional pg for you off the bench. I think that will keep your team from being too crazy.
You have 5 very quality guys that can man all the minutes of your 1-3 positions. Kemba can play 2, Iggy can play 3.
Much obliged Action. (TP.) Yes, I was pleased to get a steady back-up point guard of Ridnour's calibre in Round 9. I envision an uptempo team. I want to take advantage of Love's outlet passing, Walker and Iguodala in the open court, and the speed of my other big men, McGee, Zeller, and Young.
Love is our first scoring option, while Walker, Iguodala and Granger all benefit from having to shoulder less of the load. I also anticipate being able to force teams into mismatches in the half court, thanks to penetration by both Walker and Iguodala, Granger's size at the three, and Love's range and offensive rebounding. Thornton is also one of the league's better instant offense reserves.
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Jrue Holiday/Greivis Vasquez/Nate Robinson
Danny Green/J.R Smith
Shawn Marion/Chris Copeland
David Lee/Brandon Bass
Tyson Chandler/Brandan Wright
Likes: Jrue Holiday as a starter, a better scorer than he gets credit for, better passer probably than I give him credit for, very, very good defender. Vasquez has value not only as Holiday's backup but as a 2 guard next to him. I like Daniel Green as a role player. I like JR Smith as a sixth man, but that's a very mercurial wagon to hitch your horse to. I love David Lee (despite my criticism, that's cuz you guys love him too much) and Tyson Chandler as player, and I like their fit well enough.
Neutral on: Nate, Bass, Wright
I don't like: Starting Marion as a 3 next to anyone but a real stretch 4 with range. Chris Copeland helps there. I don't like: the lack of a truly elite scorer. Very nuggets-esque, but I think both Gallo and Lawson are more gifted perimeter scorers than anyone on the roster.
Prognosis: Playoffs, fringe talk of contention, but not REALLY considered a top team.
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Team MOD
Kyrie Irving/Isaiah Thomas
Lance Stephenson/Evan Fournier
Danillo Gallinari/Corey Brewer
Pau Gasol/Gallinari/Splitter
Tiago Splitter/Jonas Valanciunas
Any thoughts of starting Fournier and bringing Stephenson off the bench?
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Team MOD
Kyrie Irving/Isaiah Thomas
Lance Stephenson/Evan Fournier
Danillo Gallinari/Corey Brewer
Pau Gasol/Gallinari/Splitter
Tiago Splitter/Jonas Valanciunas
Any thoughts of starting Fournier and bringing Stephenson off the bench?
Stephenson put in his work in Indiana and learned under Bird, and when they called his number, he showed up (for the most part, Im not claiming he was a super star). I think showing faith in him when his play has demanded it is the type of positive reinforcement that'll carry water with Stephenson. Fournier will get his time but unless We trade lance, he's probably starting
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SAN ANTONIO SPURS
PG Kemba Walker/Luke Ridnour
SG Andre Iguodala/Marcus Thornton
SF Danny Granger
PF Kevin Love/Thaddeus Young
C JaVale McGee/Cody Zeller
Coach Rick Carlisle
The more I think about this team, the more I like it. I think I am buying McGee this year. Denver is, that's for certain, and if he can stay on the floor for 30 minutes, while his 'Thats so JaVale' moments won't completely disappear, this seems like it's the year he should turn it around. Injuries are a really tough thing to gauge, and I don't like the histories for Grnger or Love obviously, but Thad Young should make a spectacular stand in if Love misses a few here or there, and Zeller can easily play the 4, probably better than he'll play the 5. And is this team really that bad if Iggy goes to the 3 and Thornton/Ridnour split the duties at the 2? Still seems solid. The next few picks will matter, but at the end of the day there is scoring, defense, shooting, facilitators..really warming up to this squad.
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Team MOD
Kyrie Irving/Isaiah Thomas
Lance Stephenson/Evan Fournier
Danillo Gallinari/Corey Brewer
Pau Gasol/Gallinari/Splitter
Tiago Splitter/Jonas Valanciunas
Any thoughts of starting Fournier and bringing Stephenson off the bench?
Stephenson put in his work in Indiana and learned under Bird, and when they called his number, he showed up (for the most part, Im not claiming he was a super star). I think showing faith in him when his play has demanded it is the type of positive reinforcement that'll carry water with Stephenson. Fournier will get his time but unless We trade lance, he's probably starting
I just feel that you have a lot of offense in your starting lineup and could use some more off your bench.
Fournier still spreads the floor well by knocking down the 3.
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I refuse to talk about the San Antonio Spurs because they stole my dear sweet Kemba from me.
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LA Lakers
Calderon | Barea
Matthews | Delfino | [Pondexter]
Mbah a Moute | Pondexter | [Delfino] | [Matthews]
Nowitzki | Davis | [Mbah a Moute]
Gasol | [Davis] | Olynyk
I think this a really well balanced roster. The talent on 1-3 is pretty average, but no players who look like they're gonna bottom out next season or anything. Obviously the teams success hinges on Dirk and Gasol. I think Gasol's annointment as DPOY was in error, but he's a very good defensive player. Elite. LRMAM is also the defender that metrics forgot, and fits because of Dirk's range and scoring acumen. Gasol plays the Tyson Chandler role here, and isn't a liability on offense, being on of the most skilled 5s in the league. If I was gonna have a axe to grind here, it'd be with there being no legitimate defender at the 1 on the roster. Teams with shooting 1s who can score in volume should feast on Calderon and Barea alike. There are viable defenders at the 2 and 3 though, so teams without a guy to make them pay will have a tough time making due otherwise.
Good team, don't think they're really top of the crop , but I don't think you can rule them out of anything.
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Team MOD
Kyrie Irving/Isaiah Thomas
Lance Stephenson/Evan Fournier
Danillo Gallinari/Corey Brewer
Pau Gasol/Gallinari/Splitter
Tiago Splitter/Jonas Valanciunas
Any thoughts of starting Fournier and bringing Stephenson off the bench?
Stephenson put in his work in Indiana and learned under Bird, and when they called his number, he showed up (for the most part, Im not claiming he was a super star). I think showing faith in him when his play has demanded it is the type of positive reinforcement that'll carry water with Stephenson. Fournier will get his time but unless We trade lance, he's probably starting
I just feel that you have a lot of offense in your starting lineup and could use some more off your bench.
Fournier still spreads the floor well by knocking down the 3.
Oh, Im high on Fournier, no mistake. But I think you do more damage to Stephenson's game by benching him than you get back by starting Fournier. They'll likely just about split the minutes at the 2, but Stephenson gets the start for me.
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LA Lakers
Calderon | Barea
Matthews | Delfino | [Pondexter]
Mbah a Moute | Pondexter | [Delfino] | [Matthews]
Nowitzki | Davis | [Mbah a Moute]
Gasol | [Davis] | Olynyk
I think this a really well balanced roster. The talent on 1-3 is pretty average, but no players who look like they're gonna bottom out next season or anything. Obviously the teams success hinges on Dirk and Gasol. I think Gasol's annointment as DPOY was in error, but he's a very good defensive player. Elite. LRMAM is also the defender that metrics forgot, and fits because of Dirk's range and scoring acumen. Gasol plays the Tyson Chandler role here, and isn't a liability on offense, being on of the most skilled 5s in the league. If I was gonna have a axe to grind here, it'd be with there being no legitimate defender at the 1 on the roster. Teams with shooting 1s who can score in volume should feast on Calderon and Barea alike. There are viable defenders at the 2 and 3 though, so teams without a guy to make them pay will have a tough time making due otherwise.
Good team, don't think they're really top of the crop , but I don't think you can rule them out of anything.
If the Lakers had a more balanced small forward and PG, I'd rate them so much higher but The Prince is just too one dimensional and Calderon couldn't guard a chair bolted to the ground.
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Team MOD
Kyrie Irving/Isaiah Thomas
Lance Stephenson/Evan Fournier
Danillo Gallinari/Corey Brewer
Pau Gasol/Gallinari/Splitter
Tiago Splitter/Jonas Valanciunas
I'm a Kyrie denier. Dude's gotta play a whole season once in his life for me to buy him as a catalyst for a great team. That with Gall's inability to play a full season makes me question how this team will function when they can't rely on their two best perimeter players. And with those question marks I can't see Gasol driving this team on his own, especially with Gallo listed as his number one back up.
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PG: Tony Parker, Will Bynum
SG: Eric Gordon, Brandon Knight
SF: AK47, Jonas Jerebko
PF: Faried, Tyler Hansborough
C: Enes Kanter, Chris Kaman
thoughts on euro.. i mean dallas mavs
My vote for team of the future.
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Updated Dallas Mavs
PG: Tony Parker, Will Bynum
SG: Eric Gordon, Brandon Knight
SF: AK47, Jonas Jerebko
PF: Kenneth Faried, Tyler Hansborough
C: Enes Kanter, Chris Kaman
Coached by Kevin McHale
Thoughts?
I think that Tony Parker is really good. I think that this is the year Gordon comes within spitting distance of justifying his contract. I think that Kenneth Faried is coming dangerously close to being criminally overrated. I think that Enes Kanter is going to flirt with 16 and 12 next season, but it'll be the kind of cheap 15 and 12 that Vucevic flirted with in Orlando. I also think he's still going to be a top-20 center next season as a basement. I think that I was very surprised to see AK-47 was better as a 3 than as a 4 (and I checked). I also think though that his sub-30% 3pt number isn't going to improve much if at all, and that's a big deal for a team that starts Faried and Gordon. Ultimately, I don't think it's a playoff team until the shooting gets addressed, but I also think there is a very good chance Im underestimating them.
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LA Lakers
Calderon | Barea
Matthews | Delfino | [Pondexter]
Mbah a Moute | Pondexter | [Delfino] | [Matthews]
Nowitzki | Davis | [Mbah a Moute]
Gasol | [Davis] | Olynyk
I think this a really well balanced roster. The talent on 1-3 is pretty average, but no players who look like they're gonna bottom out next season or anything. Obviously the teams success hinges on Dirk and Gasol. I think Gasol's annointment as DPOY was in error, but he's a very good defensive player. Elite. LRMAM is also the defender that metrics forgot, and fits because of Dirk's range and scoring acumen. Gasol plays the Tyson Chandler role here, and isn't a liability on offense, being on of the most skilled 5s in the league. If I was gonna have a axe to grind here, it'd be with there being no legitimate defender at the 1 on the roster. Teams with shooting 1s who can score in volume should feast on Calderon and Barea alike. There are viable defenders at the 2 and 3 though, so teams without a guy to make them pay will have a tough time making due otherwise.
Good team, don't think they're really top of the crop , but I don't think you can rule them out of anything.
I think defending the 1 is an overrated issue in general. Rondo (who many call one of the top PG defenders in the league) can't really slow down the top offensive PGs. Another great defender, Mike Conley, couldn't really slow down Chris Paul or Tony Parker in the playoffs.
It's just too hard to defend PGs on the ball. The way to defend them is to have great team defense in place.
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What does Cleveland need?
Also, if you're curious, this is the likely playoff rotation:
Lawson (35) / Crawford (13)
Allen (30) / Crawford (18)
Butler (28) / Wallace (20)
Horford (20) / Landry (28)
Garnett (35) / Horford (13)
I like that you're building this in reflection of the 2011 C's. I think you need to play horford closer to 38 to get the most out of this team and you have to find a way to get crawford more minutes to get the most out of him and not have him back up the 1, where he'll kill the ball movement.
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What does Cleveland need?
Also, if you're curious, this is the likely playoff rotation:
Lawson (35) / Crawford (13)
Allen (30) / Crawford (18)
Butler (28) / Wallace (20)
Horford (20) / Landry (28)
Garnett (35) / Horford (13)
I like that you're building this in reflection of the 2011 C's. I think you need to play horford closer to 38 to get the most out of this team and you have to find a way to get crawford more minutes to get the most out of him and not have him back up the 1, where he'll kill the ball movement.
Thanks KC. TP.
Think Craw could play a few minutes at the 3? If he could, we have no problem giving him some of Wallace's minutes.
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Team MOD
Kyrie Irving/Isaiah Thomas
Lance Stephenson/Evan Fournier
Danillo Gallinari/Corey Brewer
Pau Gasol/Gallinari/Splitter
Tiago Splitter/Jonas Valanciunas
I'm a Kyrie denier. Dude's gotta play a whole season once in his life for me to buy him as a catalyst for a great team. That with Gall's inability to play a full season makes me question how this team will function when they can't rely on their two best perimeter players. And with those question marks I can't see Gasol driving this team on his own, especially with Gallo listed as his number one back up.
I can understand that. We need Gallo and Irving to finish the year. Corey Brewer and Isaiah Thomas can both start as okay options when needed, so Im actually pretty comfortable with that. On the bright side, Gallo's ahead of the curve this year, he's gonna start late so he can finish.
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What does Cleveland need?
Also, if you're curious, this is the likely playoff rotation:
Lawson (35) / Crawford (13)
Allen (30) / Crawford (18)
Butler (28) / Wallace (20)
Horford (20) / Landry (28)
Garnett (35) / Horford (13)
I like that you're building this in reflection of the 2011 C's. I think you need to play horford closer to 38 to get the most out of this team and you have to find a way to get crawford more minutes to get the most out of him and not have him back up the 1, where he'll kill the ball movement.
Thanks KC. TP.
Think Craw could play a few minutes at the 3? If he could, we have no problem giving him some of Wallace's minutes.
I think TA may very well be your best option at SF. Depending on matchups, you may very well get away with it.
Wallace is flat terrible, and Butler has lost quite a bit over the last few years.
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LA Lakers
Calderon | Barea
Matthews | Delfino | [Pondexter]
Mbah a Moute | Pondexter | [Delfino] | [Matthews]
Nowitzki | Davis | [Mbah a Moute]
Gasol | [Davis] | Olynyk
I think this a really well balanced roster. The talent on 1-3 is pretty average, but no players who look like they're gonna bottom out next season or anything. Obviously the teams success hinges on Dirk and Gasol. I think Gasol's annointment as DPOY was in error, but he's a very good defensive player. Elite. LRMAM is also the defender that metrics forgot, and fits because of Dirk's range and scoring acumen. Gasol plays the Tyson Chandler role here, and isn't a liability on offense, being on of the most skilled 5s in the league. If I was gonna have a axe to grind here, it'd be with there being no legitimate defender at the 1 on the roster. Teams with shooting 1s who can score in volume should feast on Calderon and Barea alike. There are viable defenders at the 2 and 3 though, so teams without a guy to make them pay will have a tough time making due otherwise.
Good team, don't think they're really top of the crop , but I don't think you can rule them out of anything.
I think defending the 1 is an overrated issue in general. Rondo (who many call one of the top PG defenders in the league) can't really slow down the top offensive PGs. Another great defender, Mike Conley, couldn't really slow down Chris Paul or Tony Parker in the playoffs.
It's just too hard to defend PGs on the ball. The way to defend them is to have great team defense in place.
I think that's true and not true at the same time. With PG's who need to rely on penetrating to impact the game will have a tough time with this roster, but guys like Curry, Irving, Paul, Parker, they're going to have their way here, because their game is reliant on being able to circumvent the help defense. Some of them are shooters, some are scorers who can get it at will because of mystical floaters and flip shots, but if you can score easily without needing to finish at the rim, this roster is in trouble.
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What does Cleveland need?
Also, if you're curious, this is the likely playoff rotation:
Lawson (35) / Crawford (13)
Allen (30) / Crawford (18)
Butler (28) / Wallace (20)
Horford (20) / Landry (28)
Garnett (35) / Horford (13)
I love the 3-man rotation with the bigs. Took a page out of my book.
I don't see the point in playing Crash big minutes.
Overall, I don't think there is much to say otherwise than to note that your team is really well balanced. Well put together squad. A little low on star power, but great on fit.
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I suppose Crash could just be a regular-season tough body to play, and maybe we only use him in select matchups in the playoffs.
Would people be more in favor of a rotation like this:
Lawson (35) / <PG>
Allen (15) / Crawford (33)
Butler (28) / Allen (15) / Wallace (5)
Horford (20) / Landry (28)
Garnett (33) / Horford (15)
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Wallace is flat terrible, and Butler has lost quite a bit over the last few years.
Also, I just want to say that Butler's offensive stats were still well above average last season.
.424 FG% and .388 from three. Pretty good at the SF spot. Wallace has lost it offensively but he's still tough as nails defensively. Butler still has the nice shooting stroke.
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I suppose Crash could just be a regular-season tough body to play, and maybe we only use him in select matchups in the playoffs.
Would people be more in favor of a rotation like this:
Lawson (35) / <PG>
Allen (15) / Crawford (33)
Butler (28) / Allen (15) / Wallace (5)
Horford (20) / Landry (28)
Garnett (33) / Horford (15)
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Well, as you say, Crash will have to play, just to keep eveyone fresh in the regular season. Come playoffs, I'd try to avoid playing him if I could.
Your best lineup for end of games situations may very well be Lawson/Crawford/Allen/Horford/Garnett. Depends on the SF you're facing.
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Funny, Gerald Wallace has gone from overrated by Celtics fans to extremely underrated by opposing GMs.
Wallace is still a good defender. Time will tell if his offense bounces back (he's been gradually declining, then seemed to fall off a cliff). If it does, Cleveland gets a nice bonus. If it doesn't, they have a very nice 3/4 defender off the bench, who is still a good rebounder.
In the playoffs last year, Wallace seemed to find himself. I certainly think he can handle a bench role, and can easily handle starting minutes against teams with elite SFs / quick PFs.
It's also weird to me that some of the folks throwing tomatoes at Wallace are counting heavily upon Trevor Ariza and Lance Stephenson, both of whom are well below average offensively. Wallace is the worst of the three, but he's also not being counted on to start against most teams.
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LA Lakers
Calderon | Barea
Matthews | Delfino | [Pondexter]
Mbah a Moute | Pondexter | [Delfino] | [Matthews]
Nowitzki | Davis | [Mbah a Moute]
Gasol | [Davis] | Olynyk
I think this a really well balanced roster. The talent on 1-3 is pretty average, but no players who look like they're gonna bottom out next season or anything. Obviously the teams success hinges on Dirk and Gasol. I think Gasol's annointment as DPOY was in error, but he's a very good defensive player. Elite. LRMAM is also the defender that metrics forgot, and fits because of Dirk's range and scoring acumen. Gasol plays the Tyson Chandler role here, and isn't a liability on offense, being on of the most skilled 5s in the league. If I was gonna have a axe to grind here, it'd be with there being no legitimate defender at the 1 on the roster. Teams with shooting 1s who can score in volume should feast on Calderon and Barea alike. There are viable defenders at the 2 and 3 though, so teams without a guy to make them pay will have a tough time making due otherwise.
Good team, don't think they're really top of the crop , but I don't think you can rule them out of anything.
I think defending the 1 is an overrated issue in general. Rondo (who many call one of the top PG defenders in the league) can't really slow down the top offensive PGs. Another great defender, Mike Conley, couldn't really slow down Chris Paul or Tony Parker in the playoffs.
It's just too hard to defend PGs on the ball. The way to defend them is to have great team defense in place.
I think that's true and not true at the same time. With PG's who need to rely on penetrating to impact the game will have a tough time with this roster, but guys like Curry, Irving, Paul, Parker, they're going to have their way here, because their game is reliant on being able to circumvent the help defense. Some of them are shooters, some are scorers who can get it at will because of mystical floaters and flip shots, but if you can score easily without needing to finish at the rim, this roster is in trouble.
First, thanks for your earlier analysis, IP. Regarding the PG issue, you say that guys like Curry, Irving, Paul, and Parker will have their way against Calderon, but who WOULDN'T they have their way against? Rondo's probably the best defender among these star PGs, yet I recall Kyrie having some of his best games against Boston. Off the top of my head, the only guys who do have a shot frustrating opposing PGs are Avery Bradley and Tony Allen, neither of whom can competently play the PG position.
Furthermore, some of these PGs are atrocious defenders themselves. From the four you named, three of them are below average: Curry, Irving, and Parker. Continuing on this point, Golden State's defense still managed to be in the top half of the league despite having David Lee behind Stephen Curry.
More and more it seems like the only reason people are writing off the Lakers as a top tier team is because of our PG defense, but I'm just not buying it at all. In terms of stopping the Curry's and Parker's of the world, you simply don't. What you can do is limit the damage, and that's by surrounding your defensive liability with a solid defensive supporting cast, and that's exactly what we have done. Matthews and QP are both very above average defenders on the wing, and we can also bring in LRMAM who is probably one of the best defenders in the league alongside Tony Allen. Most importantly, Dirk/Marc are two of the most cerebral players in the league and both of them are excellent help defenders, and that'll go a long way in masking Calderon's defensive deficiencies.
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If the Lakers had a more balanced small forward and PG, I'd rate them so much higher but The Prince is just too one dimensional and Calderon couldn't guard a chair bolted to the ground.
Thanks for the input. Since I addressed the PG issue already, I'll talk about the SF.
I'm not really seeing LRMAM's one-dimensionality as too much of an issue right now. No one is saying the same thing with Tony Allen on Cleveland. That being said, LRMAM is there to match up with the elite wing players in the league. Otherwise, we have Quincy Pondexter (and even Carlos Delfino) as solid 3&D players who will make our offense even more deadly from deep.
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I'm not really seeing LRMAM's one-dimensionality as too much of an issue right now. No one is saying the same thing with Tony Allen on Cleveland.
Tony Allen is one of the best defenders in the entire world, though. LRMAM is not.
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I'm not really seeing LRMAM's one-dimensionality as too much of an issue right now. No one is saying the same thing with Tony Allen on Cleveland.
Tony Allen is one of the best defenders in the entire world, though. LRMAM is not.
I have TA on my DKC team and even I beg to differ. Allen's the best lockdown defender with respect to guards. LRMAM is the best lockdown defender with respect to wings. If you're going to call Allen one of the best defenders in the entire world, you have to do the same with LRMAM.
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I'm not really seeing LRMAM's one-dimensionality as too much of an issue right now. No one is saying the same thing with Tony Allen on Cleveland.
Tony Allen is one of the best defenders in the entire world, though. LRMAM is not.
I have TA on my DKC team and even I beg to differ. Allen's the best lockdown defender with respect to guards. LRMAM is the best lockdown defender with respect to wings. If you're going to call Allen one of the best defenders in the entire world, you have to do the same with LRMAM.
Agreed. The difference between the two is not as enormous as people make it out to be.
Also, as RA noted, they guard different positions but both do it at an elite level.
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I'm not really seeing LRMAM's one-dimensionality as too much of an issue right now. No one is saying the same thing with Tony Allen on Cleveland.
Tony Allen is one of the best defenders in the entire world, though. LRMAM is not.
I have TA on my DKC team and even I beg to differ. Allen's the best lockdown defender with respect to guards. LRMAM is the best lockdown defender with respect to wings. If you're going to call Allen one of the best defenders in the entire world, you have to do the same with LRMAM.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=allento01&y1=2013&p2=mbahalu01&y2=2013
DWS, DRTG, WS/48 (and multiple All-Defensive selections) begs to differ.
Also, TA can lock down wings no problem. He made Durant look like a fool in a game last season.
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It's also weird to me that some of the folks throwing tomatoes at Wallace are counting heavily upon Trevor Ariza and Lance Stephenson, both of whom are well below average offensively. Wallace is the worst of the three, but he's also not being counted on to start against most teams.
Lance Stephenson on the court: 109.9 PP 100 Poss
Lance Stephenson off the court: 99.8 PP 100 Poss
+10.1
Gerald Wallace on the court: 110.1
Gerald Wallace off the court: 108.4
+1.7
Lance Stephenson FG%: 46%
Lance Stephenson TS%: 53%
Lance Stephenson ORTG: 106
Lance Stephenson OWS: 1.5
Lance Stepehson WS/48: .115
Gerald Wallace FG%: 39.7%
Gerald Wallace TS%: 53%
Gerald Wallace ORTG: 101
Gerald Wallace OWS: .6
Gerald Wallace WS/48: .072
Lance Stephenson doesn't score all that often, but he got better as the season went on, and was, if the numbers indicate correctly, much more critical to his teams' offensive success than Crash was. And, he's 22, so he projects to improve. Crash does not. Very comfortable throwing shade at Crash.
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If the Lakers had a more balanced small forward and PG, I'd rate them so much higher but The Prince is just too one dimensional and Calderon couldn't guard a chair bolted to the ground.
Thanks for the input. Since I addressed the PG issue already, I'll talk about the SF.
I'm not really seeing LRMAM's one-dimensionality as too much of an issue right now. No one is saying the same thing with Tony Allen on Cleveland. That being said, LRMAM is there to match up with the elite wing players in the league. Otherwise, we have Quincy Pondexter (and even Carlos Delfino) as solid 3&D players who will make our offense even more deadly from deep.
Yeah, but my point was The Prince is one dimensional defensively and Calderon is one dimensional offensively and that's too much. For example, in Memphis, TA has Conley Jr who is a very good to great 2 way player and Tayshaun is crafty at both ends. There's not that kind of versatility in your perimeter squad.
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I'm not really seeing LRMAM's one-dimensionality as too much of an issue right now. No one is saying the same thing with Tony Allen on Cleveland.
Tony Allen is one of the best defenders in the entire world, though. LRMAM is not.
I have TA on my DKC team and even I beg to differ. Allen's the best lockdown defender with respect to guards. LRMAM is the best lockdown defender with respect to wings. If you're going to call Allen one of the best defenders in the entire world, you have to do the same with LRMAM.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=allento01&y1=2013&p2=mbahalu01&y2=2013
DWS, DRTG, and WS/48 beg to differ.
Also, TA can lock down wings no problem. He made Durant look like a fool in a game last season.
Last year LRMAM was coming off an injury. Towards the end of the season and in the postseason, he really rounded into form. Anyone who bothered to watch MIA/MIL saw how effectively LRMAM contained Lebron, and I believe (although cannot confirm) that Lebron called LRMAM his toughest matchup in the league.
LRMAM is so good at defense that Milwaukee bloggers have undertaken an in-depth study on LRMAM's defense despite him not even being on the team anymore:
http://www.brewhoop.com/lebron-james-kevin-durant-luc-richard-mbah-a-moute
I'm not sure if they're the same videos, but a collection of LRMAM's defense can be found on this channel:
http://www.youtube.com/user/UdohntUnderstand/videos
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Yeah, but my point was The Prince is one dimensional defensively and Calderon is one dimensional offensively and that's too much. For example, in Memphis, TA has Conley Jr who is a very good to great 2 way player and Tayshaun is crafty at both ends. There's not that kind of versatility in your perimeter squad.
I understand that, but that's why I talked about Cleveland. Allen is one dimensional defensively, and Butler is one dimensional offensively. That's the same as LRMAM/Calderon on our team. Plus, like action781 and I have covered, you can argue that PG defense is overrated.
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Last year LRMAM was coming off an injury. Towards the end of the season and in the postseason, he really rounded into form. Anyone who bothered to watch MIA/MIL saw how effectively LRMAM contained Lebron, and I believe (although cannot confirm) that Lebron called LRMAM his toughest matchup in the league.
LRMAM is so good at defense that Milwaukee bloggers have undertaken an in-depth study on LRMAM's defense despite him not even being on the team anymore:
http://www.brewhoop.com/lebron-james-kevin-durant-luc-richard-mbah-a-moute
I'm not sure if they're the same videos, but a collection of LRMAM's defense can be found on this channel:
http://www.youtube.com/user/UdohntUnderstand/videos
Adding to this, you say Allen can cover wings, which would make him able to cover 1-3. LRMAM can do 1-4. LRMAM has covered everyone from Westbrook/CP3/Rose to Kobe to Lebron/KD/Melo to Bosh/Dirk. You can't say the same for Allen.
Just because Allen has had postseason exposure in recent years doesn't mean he's automatically superior to LRMAM.
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Washington Wizards
Pg:John Wall/Devin Harris
SG:Klay Thompson/Kyle Singler
SF: Evan Turner/Mike Dunleavy
PF: Amir Johnson/Toby Harris
C: Joakim Noah/Spencer Hawes
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Washington Wizards
Pg:John Wall/Devin Harris
SG:Klay Thompson/Kyle Singler
SF: Evan Turner/Mike Dunleavy
PF: Amir Johnson/Toby Harris
C: Joakim Noah/Spencer Hawes
I'm biased, but I do love the sum total of these parts. While the team may lack big name/sex appeal, it's full of smart, versatile, two-way players. No knuckleheads, locker room issues, or prima donnas. Strong defensively, and capable offensively.
Team should gel well together, and play well for years to come. Haven't done a dedicated survey of the Eastern Conference, but this has to be a playoff team that could potentially last beyond the first round.
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Patrick Beverley calls himself 'Mr 94 Feet', because he only has one speed, and that's intensity.
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Patrick Beverley calls himself 'Mr 94 Feet', because he has never heard the term " overcompesation"
Fixed it for you, brah.
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Patrick Beverley calls himself 'Mr 94 Feet', because he has never heard the term " overcompesation"
Fixed it for you, brah.
I like mine better, but as I was typing 'Mr 94 Feet' I was thinking it was a pretty dumb nickname. Like he tells his friends, "Call me mister 94 feet"..and they'd all look at each other and say, "Naw."
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Patrick Beverley calls himself 'Mr 94 Feet', because he has never heard the term " overcompesation"
Fixed it for you, brah.
I like mine better, but as I was typing 'Mr 94 Feet' I was thinking it was a pretty dumb nickname. Like he tells his friends, "Call me mister 94 feet"..and they'd all look at each other and say, "Naw."
(http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/demiurg1987/50851463/9784/9784_600.jpg)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-CIhoG4frcyw/UAHHtur9qQI/AAAAAAAAAhI/79eucHV487s/s1600/beckietitle2.png)
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Washington now has Thomas Robinson. Boom. ;D
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Boston Mod Squad
Kyrie Irving/Isaiah Thomas/Patrick Beverley
Lance Stephenson/Evan Fournier
Danillo Gallinari/Corey Brewer
Pau Gasol/Terrance Jones
Tiago Splitter/Jonas Valanciunas
Some guys are gonna play multiple positions obviously, but this is getting perilously close to the end of the row-add.
Thoughts on the team get a TP. Thoughts on the team that are mostly praise get 5 TP's. Thoughts on the team that are 5+ lines long written in legitimate iambic pentameter get 20 TPs, regardless of actual option regarding my team, although it must be an opinion on the team.
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Nuggets after 10
Damian Lillard / Kyle Lowry
Courtney Lee / Jason Richardson
Wilson Chandler / Martell Webster
Anderson Varejao / Mareese Speights
Greg Monroe / Andrew Bogut
Took AB's advice and will start Andy at PF. Have at it.
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Boston Mod Squad
Kyrie Irving/Isaiah Thomas/Patrick Beverley
Lance Stephenson/Evan Fournier
Danillo Gallinari/Corey Brewer
Pau Gasol/Terrance Jones
Tiago Splitter/Jonas Valanciunas
Some guys are gonna play multiple positions obviously, but this is getting perilously close to the end of the row-add.
Thoughts on the team get a TP. Thoughts on the team that are mostly praise get 5 TP's. Thoughts on the team that are 5+ lines long written in legitimate iambic pentameter get 20 TPs, regardless of actual option regarding my team, although it must be an opinion on the team.
Will a team that is offensively deficient as this one be able to survive Gallinari's injury for the first several months? A starting lineup that includes Splitter, Brewer, and Stephenson is going to struggle, isn't it?
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Nuggets after 10
Damian Lillard / Kyle Lowry
Courtney Lee / Jason Richardson
Wilson Chandler / Martell Webster
Anderson Varejao / Mareese Speights
Greg Monroe / Andrew Bogut
Took AB's advice and will start Andy at PF. Have at it.
I don't see why this team gets such a hard time. It could use some spacing in the front court, perhaps, but I think it's really solid. It probably lacks the elite talent to go far, but overall the pieces make sense together, which is more than some teams can say.
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I really like my team, I am not optimistic about being voted into the playoffs but if we were to revisit the vote after the season I have no doubt I would be in it. Regardless of that, what are your thoughts.
We are long, we are athletic, we can shoot, we can score in the post. Cousins and Favors will have break out years, while Butler and Barnes should steadily improve.
Steph Curry/Corey Joseph
Jimmy Butler/Mo Williams/CJ McCollum
Harrison Barnes
Derrick Favors/Earl Clark
DeMarcus Cousins/Kendrick Perkins
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Nuggets after 10
Damian Lillard / Kyle Lowry
Courtney Lee / Jason Richardson
Wilson Chandler / Martell Webster
Anderson Varejao / Mareese Speights
Greg Monroe / Andrew Bogut
Took AB's advice and will start Andy at PF. Have at it.
I don't see why this team gets such a hard time. It could use some spacing in the front court, perhaps, but I think it's really solid. It probably lacks the elite talent to go far, but overall the pieces make sense together, which is more than some teams can say.
Thank you Roy. I think Andy's mid range game is vastly underrated. He takes 2.7 shots from 16-23 feet per game and makes 41% of them (Hoopdata). That's decent to good for a F/C. Monroe is also a good passer coming out of the double team, and with Andy and being surrounded by three players who combined average of 38% 3PT in the starting unit, I think spacing is not that big of an issue.
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Boston Mod Squad
Kyrie Irving/Isaiah Thomas/Patrick Beverley
Lance Stephenson/Evan Fournier
Danillo Gallinari/Corey Brewer
Pau Gasol/Terrance Jones
Tiago Splitter/Jonas Valanciunas
Some guys are gonna play multiple positions obviously, but this is getting perilously close to the end of the row-add.
Thoughts on the team get a TP. Thoughts on the team that are mostly praise get 5 TP's. Thoughts on the team that are 5+ lines long written in legitimate iambic pentameter get 20 TPs, regardless of actual option regarding my team, although it must be an opinion on the team.
Will a team that is offensively deficient as this one be able to survive Gallinari's injury for the first several months? A starting lineup that includes Splitter, Brewer, and Stephenson is going to struggle, isn't it?
Nah, I don't think it'll be a huge issue. Corey Brewer's pp36 ties him with Gallinari's, Tiago Splitter's pp36 put him just below Chandler Parson's and just above Roy Hibbert's.
The kind of scoring that'll happen might be different though. Corey Brewer doesn't have the range Gallo does, so while Gallo comes back, Terrance Jones will probably be asked to shoot a little more than he's used to, and Fournier might get some more time at the 3 they he had previously, Beverley sliding down a spot too. Stuff like that.
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Boston Mod Squad
Kyrie Irving/Isaiah Thomas/Patrick Beverley
Lance Stephenson/Evan Fournier
Danillo Gallinari/Corey Brewer
Pau Gasol/Terrance Jones
Tiago Splitter/Jonas Valanciunas
Some guys are gonna play multiple positions obviously, but this is getting perilously close to the end of the row-add.
Thoughts on the team get a TP. Thoughts on the team that are mostly praise get 5 TP's. Thoughts on the team that are 5+ lines long written in legitimate iambic pentameter get 20 TPs, regardless of actual option regarding my team, although it must be an opinion on the team.
But soft! What light from yonder browser breaks?
It is the East, and Boston is the 6 seed.
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Boston Mod Squad
Kyrie Irving/Isaiah Thomas/Patrick Beverley
Lance Stephenson/Evan Fournier
Danillo Gallinari/Corey Brewer
Pau Gasol/Terrance Jones
Tiago Splitter/Jonas Valanciunas
Some guys are gonna play multiple positions obviously, but this is getting perilously close to the end of the row-add.
Thoughts on the team get a TP. Thoughts on the team that are mostly praise get 5 TP's. Thoughts on the team that are 5+ lines long written in legitimate iambic pentameter get 20 TPs, regardless of actual option regarding my team, although it must be an opinion on the team.
Will a team that is offensively deficient as this one be able to survive Gallinari's injury for the first several months? A starting lineup that includes Splitter, Brewer, and Stephenson is going to struggle, isn't it?
Nah, I don't think it'll be a huge issue. Corey Brewer's pp36 ties him with Gallinari's, Tiago Splitter's pp36 put him just below Chandler Parson's and just above Roy Hibbert's.
The kind of scoring that'll happen might be different though. Corey Brewer doesn't have the range Gallo does, so while Gallo comes back, Terrance Jones will probably be asked to shoot a little more than he's used to, and Fournier might get some more time at the 3 they he had previously, Beverley sliding down a spot too. Stuff like that.
I see your team as having a below-average offense, and a below-average defense. Well, maybe an average defense until Gallinari comes back.
You've got one elite offensive player in your starting lineup, and only one legit floor stretcher. Those are the same guy. Everyone else is going to have to score close to the basket, and that's not a huge recipe for success.
I'm open-minded, though; I'd like to be wrong about your team, with the mod bias and all.
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The Pacers
PG: Deron / Rodney Stuckey
SG: Jeff Taylor / Ray Allen
SF: Kevin Durant / Marvin Williams
PF: Luis Scola / Andrew Nicholson / Durant / Williams
C: Robin Lopez / Elton Brand
I'm thinking starting taylor purely as a defensive move might be a good one since I have enough scoring in the starting lineup without Ray and then Ray can be a real weapon off the bench. Ray would obviously close tight games as well.
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Since my post got glanced over here is my team. Would love your thoughts.
Steph Curry/Corey Joseph
Jimmy Butler/Mo Williams/CJ McCollum
Harrison Barnes
Derrick Favors/Earl Clark
DeMarcus Cousins/Kendrick Perkins
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Cleveland Cavaliers
PG: Ty Lawson / Steve Blake
SG: Tony Allen / Jamal Crawford
SF: Caron Butler / Gerald Wallace
PF: Al Horford / Carl Landry
C: Kevin Garnett / Timofey Mozgov
Mozgov and Wallace (and Blake to some extent) will be regular season bodies. The playoff rotation is Lawson-Crawford-Allen-Butler-Horford-Landry-Garnett with Wallace being used as a defensive stopper in select matchups.
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The Pacers
PG: Deron / Rodney Stuckey
SG: Jeff Taylor / Ray Allen
SF: Kevin Durant / Marvin Williams
PF: Luis Scola / Andrew Nicholson / Durant / Williams
C: Robin Lopez / Elton Brand
I'm thinking starting taylor purely as a defensive move might be a good one since I have enough scoring in the starting lineup without Ray and then Ray can be a real weapon off the bench. Ray would obviously close tight games as well.
This is another team that I want to like, but I'm having a hard time with it. The defense just seems to spotty to win in the playoffs.
Convince me why you're not middle of the pack?
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The Pacers
PG: Deron / Rodney Stuckey
SG: Jeff Taylor / Ray Allen
SF: Kevin Durant / Marvin Williams
PF: Luis Scola / Andrew Nicholson / Durant / Williams
C: Robin Lopez / Elton Brand
I'm thinking starting taylor purely as a defensive move might be a good one since I have enough scoring in the starting lineup without Ray and then Ray can be a real weapon off the bench. Ray would obviously close tight games as well.
You got a lot more out of the bench than I thought you'd be able to get. I think starting Taylor over Allen is probably the right move. But defense is going to be a concern.
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I really like my team, I am not optimistic about being voted into the playoffs but if we were to revisit the vote after the season I have no doubt I would be in it. Regardless of that, what are your thoughts.
We are long, we are athletic, we can shoot, we can score in the post. Cousins and Favors will have break out years, while Butler and Barnes should steadily improve.
Steph Curry/Corey Joseph
Jimmy Butler/Mo Williams/CJ McCollum
Harrison Barnes
Derrick Favors/Earl Clark
DeMarcus Cousins/Kendrick Perkins
E34, if I were you I would trade DeMarcus Cousins to someone who loves him (there are plenty) in exchange for someone who is a good player now. I think that if you taken Pau Gasol or Omer Asik there, for example, you would be a playoff team for sure. As it is, Cousins has the stink on him and folks voting for you would have to think this is the year he turns it around an becomes more than empty stats.
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The Pacers
PG: Deron / Rodney Stuckey
SG: Jeff Taylor / Ray Allen
SF: Kevin Durant / Marvin Williams
PF: Luis Scola / Andrew Nicholson / Durant / Williams
C: Robin Lopez / Elton Brand
I'm thinking starting taylor purely as a defensive move might be a good one since I have enough scoring in the starting lineup without Ray and then Ray can be a real weapon off the bench. Ray would obviously close tight games as well.
This is another team that I want to like, but I'm having a hard time with it. The defense just seems to spotty to win in the playoffs.
Convince me why you're not middle of the pack?
Because as far as im concerned the rest of the east lacks the talent to keep up with my team/take atvantage of the weaknesses. Also, I brought in Coach Frank to preach fundamentals of defense, he's a great defensive coach and has experience working with teams with multiple superstars.
Also, I think when my offensive lineup is on the floor they compliment eachother incredibly well and think Deron and Durant will create plenty of open jumpers for Scola or Ray or dunks for Lopez.
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I really like my team, I am not optimistic about being voted into the playoffs but if we were to revisit the vote after the season I have no doubt I would be in it. Regardless of that, what are your thoughts.
We are long, we are athletic, we can shoot, we can score in the post. Cousins and Favors will have break out years, while Butler and Barnes should steadily improve.
Steph Curry/Corey Joseph
Jimmy Butler/Mo Williams/CJ McCollum
Harrison Barnes
Derrick Favors/Earl Clark
DeMarcus Cousins/Kendrick Perkins
E34, if I were you I would trade DeMarcus Cousins to someone who loves him (there are plenty) in exchange for someone who is a good player now. I think that if you taken Pau Gasol or Omer Asik there, for example, you would be a playoff team for sure. As it is, Cousins has the stink on him and folks voting for you would have to think this is the year he turns it around an becomes more than empty stats.
I buried the lede, there. My point is that I think you actually have a really good team, but you favored potential a little too much at some key points in the draft. I think it's completely fixable.
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The Pacers
PG: Deron / Rodney Stuckey
SG: Jeff Taylor / Ray Allen
SF: Kevin Durant / Marvin Williams
PF: Luis Scola / Andrew Nicholson / Durant / Williams
C: Robin Lopez / Elton Brand
I'm thinking starting taylor purely as a defensive move might be a good one since I have enough scoring in the starting lineup without Ray and then Ray can be a real weapon off the bench. Ray would obviously close tight games as well.
You got a lot more out of the bench than I thought you'd be able to get. I think starting Taylor over Allen is probably the right move. But defense is going to be a concern.
Thanks, I knew the bench would be tough but there are always people that fall. I have two more picks in the 12th and still see some very good role/rotation players that can fit some specific needs.
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I really like my team, I am not optimistic about being voted into the playoffs but if we were to revisit the vote after the season I have no doubt I would be in it. Regardless of that, what are your thoughts.
We are long, we are athletic, we can shoot, we can score in the post. Cousins and Favors will have break out years, while Butler and Barnes should steadily improve.
Steph Curry/Corey Joseph
Jimmy Butler/Mo Williams/CJ McCollum
Harrison Barnes
Derrick Favors/Earl Clark
DeMarcus Cousins/Kendrick Perkins
E34, if I were you I would trade DeMarcus Cousins to someone who loves him (there are plenty) in exchange for someone who is a good player now. I think that if you taken Pau Gasol or Omer Asik there, for example, you would be a playoff team for sure. As it is, Cousins has the stink on him and folks voting for you would have to think this is the year he turns it around an becomes more than empty stats.
I buried the lede, there. My point is that I think you actually have a really good team, but you favored potential a little too much at some key points in the draft. I think it's completely fixable.
Thanks for your opinion, I don't think Asik or Gasol is fair value for Cousins. To me the stink he has on him is that of the Kings, but with a new coach, new management and new ownership as well as him vying for an extension I expect him to produce 20/10 this year.
I've been doing this game for a while, and to me it's much more satisfying to be able to look at your team once the season has started to prove people wrong rather than changing your team to meet the whims of the voters.
That being said, anyone who wants to make offers for DMC is more than welcome to do so.
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Since my post got glanced over here is my team. Would love your thoughts.
Steph Curry/Corey Joseph
Jimmy Butler/Mo Williams/CJ McCollum
Harrison Barnes
Derrick Favors/Earl Clark
DeMarcus Cousins/Kendrick Perkins
It seems a little stuck in the middle - not good enough to contend right now but not quite promising enough to seem like a juggernaut in the making.
The starting lineup is young and versatile but with the exception of Curry and to a degree Cousins you're banking on what they might become instead of what they are. And the bench is so-so at best. It's a solid effort but isn't really the best or near-best at anything.
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I really like my team, I am not optimistic about being voted into the playoffs but if we were to revisit the vote after the season I have no doubt I would be in it. Regardless of that, what are your thoughts.
We are long, we are athletic, we can shoot, we can score in the post. Cousins and Favors will have break out years, while Butler and Barnes should steadily improve.
Steph Curry/Corey Joseph
Jimmy Butler/Mo Williams/CJ McCollum
Harrison Barnes
Derrick Favors/Earl Clark
DeMarcus Cousins/Kendrick Perkins
E34, if I were you I would trade DeMarcus Cousins to someone who loves him (there are plenty) in exchange for someone who is a good player now. I think that if you taken Pau Gasol or Omer Asik there, for example, you would be a playoff team for sure. As it is, Cousins has the stink on him and folks voting for you would have to think this is the year he turns it around an becomes more than empty stats.
I buried the lede, there. My point is that I think you actually have a really good team, but you favored potential a little too much at some key points in the draft. I think it's completely fixable.
Thanks for your opinion, I don't think Asik or Gasol is fair value for Cousins. To me the stink he has on him is that of the Kings, but with a new coach, new management and new ownership as well as him vying for an extension I expect him to produce 20/10 this year.
I've been doing this game for a while, and to me it's much more satisfying to be able to look at your team once the season has started to prove people wrong rather than changing your team to meet the whims of the voters.
That being said, anyone who wants to make offers for DMC is more than welcome to do so.
Well, that's why you're the guy who drafted him =) Good luck anyways.
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The Pacers
PG: Deron / Rodney Stuckey
SG: Jeff Taylor / Ray Allen
SF: Kevin Durant / Marvin Williams
PF: Luis Scola / Andrew Nicholson / Durant / Williams
C: Robin Lopez / Elton Brand
I'm thinking starting taylor purely as a defensive move might be a good one since I have enough scoring in the starting lineup without Ray and then Ray can be a real weapon off the bench. Ray would obviously close tight games as well.
This is another team that I want to like, but I'm having a hard time with it. The defense just seems to spotty to win in the playoffs.
Convince me why you're not middle of the pack?
Because as far as im concerned the rest of the east lacks the talent to keep up with my team/take atvantage of the weaknesses. Also, I brought in Coach Frank to preach fundamentals of defense, he's a great defensive coach and has experience working with teams with multiple superstars.
Also, I think when my offensive lineup is on the floor they compliment eachother incredibly well and think Deron and Durant will create plenty of open jumpers for Scola or Ray or dunks for Lopez.
I had a similar reaction. Stuckey, an injured Marvin, and a young Nicholson don't inspire confidence in high-pressure situations. You've also got Scola and Lopez who, despite commendabl effort, aren't really high-quality defenders.
I'd think I'd feel a lot better about this team with a better 3rd banana to Deron/Durant. Could be difficult to acquire at this stage (believe me, I know).
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Since my post got glanced over here is my team. Would love your thoughts.
Steph Curry/Corey Joseph
Jimmy Butler/Mo Williams/CJ McCollum
Harrison Barnes
Derrick Favors/Earl Clark
DeMarcus Cousins/Kendrick Perkins
It seems a little stuck in the middle - not good enough to contend right now but not quite promising enough to seem like a juggernaut in the making.
The starting lineup is young and versatile but with the exception of Curry and to a degree Cousins you're banking on what they might become instead of what they are. And the bench is so-so at best. It's a solid effort but isn't really the best or near-best at anything.
Well since the season isn't going on right now we can't know what value players are providing right now. I always draft based on who I think will be best in the upcoming season.
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The Pacers
PG: Deron / Rodney Stuckey
SG: Jeff Taylor / Ray Allen
SF: Kevin Durant / Marvin Williams
PF: Luis Scola / Andrew Nicholson / Durant / Williams
C: Robin Lopez / Elton Brand
I'm thinking starting taylor purely as a defensive move might be a good one since I have enough scoring in the starting lineup without Ray and then Ray can be a real weapon off the bench. Ray would obviously close tight games as well.
This is another team that I want to like, but I'm having a hard time with it. The defense just seems to spotty to win in the playoffs.
Convince me why you're not middle of the pack?
Because as far as im concerned the rest of the east lacks the talent to keep up with my team/take atvantage of the weaknesses. Also, I brought in Coach Frank to preach fundamentals of defense, he's a great defensive coach and has experience working with teams with multiple superstars.
Also, I think when my offensive lineup is on the floor they compliment eachother incredibly well and think Deron and Durant will create plenty of open jumpers for Scola or Ray or dunks for Lopez.
I had a similar reaction. Stuckey, an injured Marvin, and a young Nicholson don't inspire confidence in high-pressure situations. You've also got Scola and Lopez who, despite commendabl effort, aren't really high-quality defenders.
I'd think I'd feel a lot better about this team with a better 3rd banana to Deron/Durant. Could be difficult to acquire at this stage (believe me, I know).
Im not looking for Stuckey, and injured marvin williams or Nicholson to thrive in pressure situations though, thats what Durant, and Ray are for. Two of the most clutch shooters in the game.
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Boston Mod Squad
Kyrie Irving/Isaiah Thomas/Patrick Beverley
Lance Stephenson/Evan Fournier
Danillo Gallinari/Corey Brewer
Pau Gasol/Terrance Jones
Tiago Splitter/Jonas Valanciunas
Some guys are gonna play multiple positions obviously, but this is getting perilously close to the end of the row-add.
Thoughts on the team get a TP. Thoughts on the team that are mostly praise get 5 TP's. Thoughts on the team that are 5+ lines long written in legitimate iambic pentameter get 20 TPs, regardless of actual option regarding my team, although it must be an opinion on the team.
a couple quick thoughts when i look at this squad:
this team is pretty good, but unfortunately there are questions marks. kyrie and galli coming off injuries is a major issue imo. i LOVE kyrie's game, i really do. but he is unfortunately prone to injury (this is not only in the nba, but also while at duke). he makes this team work, and if he is injured, the team suffers. that, coupled with galli's injury, leaves a lot of doubt for me.
i love isaiah thomas as ur back up...that is a great backup! i also like splitter and gasol together.
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Nuggets after 10
Damian Lillard / Kyle Lowry
Courtney Lee / Jason Richardson
Wilson Chandler / Martell Webster
Anderson Varejao / Mareese Speights
Greg Monroe / Andrew Bogut
Took AB's advice and will start Andy at PF. Have at it.
i like your team. i think people that are down on it dont value depth....either that, or they are planting seeds in people's minds so that voters will think of it come voting time. i on the other hand think depth is very important, so i like ur team. u have a lot of flexibility, i like your depth on the wings, andi love your frontcourt pairings. i think lillard is legit and can take the turn from being a young talent, to leader
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Nuggets after 10
Damian Lillard / Kyle Lowry
Courtney Lee / Jason Richardson
Wilson Chandler / Martell Webster
Anderson Varejao / Mareese Speights
Greg Monroe / Andrew Bogut
Took AB's advice and will start Andy at PF. Have at it.
i like your team. i think people that are down on it dont value depth....either that, or they are planting seeds in people's minds so that voters will think of it come voting time. i on the other hand think depth is very important, so i like ur team. u have a lot of flexibility, i like your depth on the wings, andi love your frontcourt pairings. i think lillard is legit and can take the turn from being a young talent, to leader
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Cleveland Cavaliers
PG: Ty Lawson / Steve Blake
SG: Tony Allen / Jamal Crawford
SF: Caron Butler / Gerald Wallace
PF: Al Horford / Carl Landry
C: Kevin Garnett / Timofey Mozgov
Mozgov and Wallace (and Blake to some extent) will be regular season bodies. The playoff rotation is Lawson-Crawford-Allen-Butler-Horford-Landry-Garnett with Wallace being used as a defensive stopper in select matchups.
this team is tough....not championship contenders, but tough (i like tough teams). defensively, ur good to go for sure, and i think u could be ok offensively.
concerns....your SF's are always injured, so your team could be pretty vulnerable there. i think TA could fill a void at SF in certain spots, but he couldn't really play SF for the long haul or in large doses.
i love KG and horford together, but i think ur going to have to rely too much on kg, which means minutes, which hurts him over the course of a season and post season imo
ty lawson is great, and i love crawford off the bench....spark for sure
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Boston Mod Squad
Kyrie Irving/Isaiah Thomas/Patrick Beverley
Lance Stephenson/Evan Fournier
Danillo Gallinari/Corey Brewer
Pau Gasol/Terrance Jones
Tiago Splitter/Jonas Valanciunas
Some guys are gonna play multiple positions obviously, but this is getting perilously close to the end of the row-add.
Thoughts on the team get a TP. Thoughts on the team that are mostly praise get 5 TP's. Thoughts on the team that are 5+ lines long written in legitimate iambic pentameter get 20 TPs, regardless of actual option regarding my team, although it must be an opinion on the team.
Will a team that is offensively deficient as this one be able to survive Gallinari's injury for the first several months? A starting lineup that includes Splitter, Brewer, and Stephenson is going to struggle, isn't it?
Nah, I don't think it'll be a huge issue. Corey Brewer's pp36 ties him with Gallinari's, Tiago Splitter's pp36 put him just below Chandler Parson's and just above Roy Hibbert's.
The kind of scoring that'll happen might be different though. Corey Brewer doesn't have the range Gallo does, so while Gallo comes back, Terrance Jones will probably be asked to shoot a little more than he's used to, and Fournier might get some more time at the 3 they he had previously, Beverley sliding down a spot too. Stuff like that.
I see your team as having a below-average offense, and a below-average defense. Well, maybe an average defense until Gallinari comes back.
You've got one elite offensive player in your starting lineup, and only one legit floor stretcher. Those are the same guy. Everyone else is going to have to score close to the basket, and that's not a huge recipe for success.
I'm surprised you call Boston a below-average offense after just praising the Nuggets team starting Lilliard, Lee, Chandler, Varejao, and Monroe. IP's team has a considerably better offense in the starting lineup without Gallinari. When you include Gallo in the starting lineup, this Boston team is equal or better on offense at every single position 1-5 (if you twist the frontcourt matchups) than Yoki's Nuggets.
I get that Denver has a better bench, but in the playoffs minutes are generally distributed heavy toward the starters.
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Nuggets after 10
Damian Lillard / Kyle Lowry
Courtney Lee / Jason Richardson
Wilson Chandler / Martell Webster
Anderson Varejao / Mareese Speights
Greg Monroe / Andrew Bogut
Took AB's advice and will start Andy at PF. Have at it.
i like your team. i think people that are down on it dont value depth....either that, or they are planting seeds in people's minds so that voters will think of it come voting time. i on the other hand think depth is very important, so i like ur team. u have a lot of flexibility, i like your depth on the wings, andi love your frontcourt pairings. i think lillard is legit and can take the turn from being a young talent, to leader
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lol. just being honest
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Boston Mod Squad
Kyrie Irving/Isaiah Thomas/Patrick Beverley
Lance Stephenson/Evan Fournier
Danillo Gallinari/Corey Brewer
Pau Gasol/Terrance Jones
Tiago Splitter/Jonas Valanciunas
Some guys are gonna play multiple positions obviously, but this is getting perilously close to the end of the row-add.
Thoughts on the team get a TP. Thoughts on the team that are mostly praise get 5 TP's. Thoughts on the team that are 5+ lines long written in legitimate iambic pentameter get 20 TPs, regardless of actual option regarding my team, although it must be an opinion on the team.
Will a team that is offensively deficient as this one be able to survive Gallinari's injury for the first several months? A starting lineup that includes Splitter, Brewer, and Stephenson is going to struggle, isn't it?
Nah, I don't think it'll be a huge issue. Corey Brewer's pp36 ties him with Gallinari's, Tiago Splitter's pp36 put him just below Chandler Parson's and just above Roy Hibbert's.
The kind of scoring that'll happen might be different though. Corey Brewer doesn't have the range Gallo does, so while Gallo comes back, Terrance Jones will probably be asked to shoot a little more than he's used to, and Fournier might get some more time at the 3 they he had previously, Beverley sliding down a spot too. Stuff like that.
I see your team as having a below-average offense, and a below-average defense. Well, maybe an average defense until Gallinari comes back.
You've got one elite offensive player in your starting lineup, and only one legit floor stretcher. Those are the same guy. Everyone else is going to have to score close to the basket, and that's not a huge recipe for success.
I'm open-minded, though; I'd like to be wrong about your team, with the mod bias and all.
haha, mod bias is a myth made up by the liberal media to explain votes I get in contests by people who don't like it when I win in contests.
Fournier is a 40% from 3 shooter, Thomas scores from all over the floor, Beverley is a 37.6% 3pt shooter, Terrence Jones has range as a stretch 4, Gasol, Valanciunas, can both hit a 10-footer, I'm not overly concerned about spacing (although Gallo helps a lot there), and I'm not concerned at all with volume.
Defensively? I think we're fine. Splitter is one of the better post defenders in the league, and a vastly improved team defender. He'll take whoever the banger is, and Pau will play help. After that, my bench is populated with good defenders, and while Gallo and Kyrie leave something to be desired, they both score more than they let through, so even if we have to deal with some defensive lapses, hopefully our player continue to excel and even improve (the roster is pretty young overall) from what they've already done and our performance matches our projection.
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Boston Mod Squad
Kyrie Irving/Isaiah Thomas/Patrick Beverley
Lance Stephenson/Evan Fournier
Danillo Gallinari/Corey Brewer
Pau Gasol/Terrance Jones
Tiago Splitter/Jonas Valanciunas
Some guys are gonna play multiple positions obviously, but this is getting perilously close to the end of the row-add.
Thoughts on the team get a TP. Thoughts on the team that are mostly praise get 5 TP's. Thoughts on the team that are 5+ lines long written in legitimate iambic pentameter get 20 TPs, regardless of actual option regarding my team, although it must be an opinion on the team.
How will Pau handle being called "Grandpa" by the rest of the team?
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Marvin Williams is injured too? Ugh, achilles injury. Yikes. Nasty injury.
Eh, Jeff Taylor can double up as backup SF and Stuckey/Ray can get a bit more PT at SG if M.Williams doesn't recover well enough.
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PG: Tony Parker, Will Bynum
SG: Eric Gordon, Brandon Knight
SF: AK47, Jonas Jerebko
PF: Faried, Tyler Hansborough
C: Enes Kanter, Chris Kaman
thoughts on euro.. i mean dallas mavs
best part of this team is the depth at pg....i like it. solid sg depth as well. i love the manimal! other than that, the rest of the roster makes me say "meh"....not a knock on u or ur team....but they just dont do enough to make me think they are legit
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Boston Mod Squad
Kyrie Irving/Isaiah Thomas/Patrick Beverley
Lance Stephenson/Evan Fournier
Danillo Gallinari/Corey Brewer
Pau Gasol/Terrance Jones
Tiago Splitter/Jonas Valanciunas
This is an impressive rebound from when this team had Gordon and Kanter. However, this team is no more than middling for me right now. There is simply way too much reliance on the continued development of young talent, and the depth is much too stratified. You have a crap ton of talent at the 1 and 5, but 2-4 are very thin - and even thinner considering Gallo has a very real chance of not coming back until after the new year. The potential is there, but moves need to be made.
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PG: Derrick Rose, Eric Maynor
SG: Iman Shumpert, Marco Belinelli, Ben McLemore
SF: DeMar DeRozan, Chase Budinger
PF: Taj Gibson, Udonis Haslem, Patrick Patterson
C: Dwight Howard, Ian Mahinmi
I wanted to create an elite defensive unit that would control the glass, turn opponents over, and score a ton of points in the transition game.
Yes, yes, I know: I have Dwight Howard, so I must have shooters to put around him. Well, along with providing suffocating D, Iman Shumpert shot 40%+ from 3pt land last season (and his percentages improved in the playoffs). He'll see some minutes at the 3 this season, along with Chase Budinger, who shot 40% from 3 in his last full season. Marco Belinelli is another threat from deep. Haslem and Gibson have been known to knock down the occasional baseline jumper.
I've got one more pick left, and enough depth to perhaps make one more trade. But even if I stand pat, I like this team's ability to shut opponents down, and grind out victories.
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PG: Derrick Rose, Eric Maynor
SG: Iman Shumpert, Marco Belinelli, Ben McLemore
SF: DeMar DeRozan, Chase Budinger
PF: Taj Gibson, Udonis Haslem, Patrick Patterson
C: Dwight Howard, Ian Mahinmi
I would start Budinger over DeRozan. DeRozan struggles at SF defensively without his usual size advantage that he against guards and is a poor possession creator. Budinger is actually the better defender/rebounder and of course long range shooter.
I think I'd play Patrick Patterson ahead of Udonis Haslem as backup PF. I think his shooting ability would be a valuable alternative to Taj Gibson. Plus, I think U.Haslem's game has seen major decline over the last couple of seasons.
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PG: Derrick Rose, Eric Maynor
SG: Iman Shumpert, Marco Belinelli, Ben McLemore
SF: DeMar DeRozan, Chase Budinger
PF: Taj Gibson, Udonis Haslem, Patrick Patterson
C: Dwight Howard, Ian Mahinmi
I would start Budinger over DeRozan. DeRozan struggles at SF defensively without his usual size advantage that he against guards and is a poor possession creator. Budinger is actually the better defender/rebounder and of course long range shooter.
I think I'd play Patrick Patterson ahead of Udonis Haslem as backup PF. I think his shooting ability would be a valuable alternative to Taj Gibson. Plus, I think U.Haslem's game has seen major decline over the last couple of seasons.
I'd planned to have Shump and DeRozan swap defensive assignments when needed, but I do feel confident starting the low-usage Budinger.
Truthfully, I inherited Patterson, and would prefer to move him. I hear you about Haslem, who should only get about 15 minutes a night.
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PG: Derrick Rose, Eric Maynor
SG: Iman Shumpert, Marco Belinelli, Ben McLemore
SF: DeMar DeRozan, Chase Budinger
PF: Taj Gibson, Udonis Haslem, Patrick Patterson
C: Dwight Howard, Ian Mahinmi
I wanted to create an elite defensive unit that would control the glass, turn opponents over, and score a ton of points in the transition game.
Yes, yes, I know: I have Dwight Howard, so I must have shooters to put around him. Well, along with providing suffocating D, Iman Shumpert shot 40%+ from 3pt land last season (and his percentages improved in the playoffs). He'll see some minutes at the 3 this season, along with Chase Budinger, who shot 40% from 3 in his last full season. Marco Belinelli is another threat from deep. Haslem and Gibson have been known to knock down the occasional baseline jumper.
I've got one more pick left, and enough depth to perhaps make one more trade. But even if I stand pat, I like this team's ability to shut opponents down, and grind out victories.
Whoa. I'd like to know how you did this. Top team I've seen so far. Shumpert is a fantastic fit for this team. I'd probably start Budinger over Derozan. Maybe start Haslem too. He'd be a great fit alongside Dwight and Taj has produced very very well off the bench in his career. Taj would still get the majority of minutes there (25-30) with Haslem seeing 20 or so
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PG: Derrick Rose, Eric Maynor
SG: Iman Shumpert, Marco Belinelli, Ben McLemore
SF: DeMar DeRozan, Chase Budinger
PF: Taj Gibson, Udonis Haslem, Patrick Patterson
C: Dwight Howard, Ian Mahinmi
I was wondering what you had planned for this team's offense?
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PG: Derrick Rose, Eric Maynor
SG: Iman Shumpert, Marco Belinelli, Ben McLemore
SF: DeMar DeRozan, Chase Budinger
PF: Taj Gibson, Udonis Haslem, Patrick Patterson
C: Dwight Howard, Ian Mahinmi
I was wondering what you had planned for this team's offense?
In the half-court set, you'll see a fair amount of pick and roll for Rose and Dwight. I think that plays to their strengths/advantages over their defenders.
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I am thinking my top four teams in the West are - LA Lakers, Houston Rockets, Golden State Warriors and Oklahoma City Thunder.
I think those four are the title contenders in the West.
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How is this team not getting any respect:
Roster looks like this:
Pg:Jennings Collison
Sg:Joe Johnson/Caldwell-Pope
Sf:Deng/Bennett/Thompson
PF:Melo/Tristian Thompson/Bennett
C:Bynum/ZAZA/Mullens
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How is this team not getting any respect:
Roster looks like this:
Pg:Jennings Collison
Sg:Joe Johnson/Caldwell-Pope
Sf:Deng/Bennett/Thompson
PF:Melo/Tristian Thompson/Bennett
C:Bynum/ZAZA/Mullens
Three volume scorers + dependence on youth as depth + the Bynum factor = No bueno
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I am thinking my top four teams in the West are - LA Lakers, Houston Rockets, Golden State Warriors and Oklahoma City Thunder.
I think those four are the title contenders in the West.
I'd put Minnesota up there as well.
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I am thinking my top four teams in the West are - LA Lakers, Houston Rockets, Golden State Warriors and Oklahoma City Thunder.
I think those four are the title contenders in the West.
I'd put Minnesota up there as well.
Yeah, I am going back and forth on them. Whether they are in the group or just outside it.
Not sure yet.
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I am thinking my top four teams in the West are - LA Lakers, Houston Rockets, Golden State Warriors and Oklahoma City Thunder.
I think those four are the title contenders in the West.
I'd put Minnesota up there as well.
Why did I have to end up in the Western Conference? Isn't picking smack in the middle of a snake a challenge enough?
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How is this team not getting any respect:
Roster looks like this:
Pg:Jennings Collison
Sg:Joe Johnson/Caldwell-Pope
Sf:Deng/Bennett/Thompson
PF:Melo/Tristian Thompson/Bennett
C:Bynum/ZAZA/Mullens
Wow, there is a ton of talent on this squad. I think you need to redistribute some of this talent. Not enough shots to go around between Melo, Johnson, Jennings, Bynum, and Deng.
That's a GOOD problem to have though in this stage where people are looking at a nearly impossible task of upgrading their high end talent. I think your 2-5 positions could play very well together (pending Bynum's health) and Jennings should be the guy out if you can move him. Maybe a steady, good shooting PG like Jameer Nelson or George Hill, and some upgrades on your bench (SG/SF particularly).
SOMEBODY in the league will have to deal with the Bynum health issue and it's you. Considering that, your center position is looking in very good shape with what you have there. While you plan for Bynum to be healthy, your backup has started at center for playoff teams in the past and Mullens is a capable enough bench player.
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How is this team not getting any respect:
Roster looks like this:
Pg:Jennings Collison
Sg:Joe Johnson/Caldwell-Pope
Sf:Deng/Bennett/Thompson
PF:Melo/Tristian Thompson/Bennett
C:Bynum/ZAZA/Mullens
Three volume scorers + dependence on youth as depth + the Bynum factor = No bueno
Yep. For better or worse, Zaza is probably the "surest thing" you have on the bench.
Of course, the rookies could start with a big splash, and Tristan could wow now that he's moved to shooting with his off hand. That's a tough sell, though.
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Milwaukee Bucks
PG: Mike Conley / Jerryd Bayless
SG: JJ Redick / Alonzo Gee
SF: Paul George / Trevor Ariza
PF: Ryan Anderson / Reggie Evans
C: Emeka Okafor / Tyler Zeller / Greg Smith
Haven't yet decided how I plan on allotting minutes. I do know George is going to see a decent amount of time at the 4, in order to force other teams to match up. Not sure yet who will be the center when George plays at the 4. Probably Okafor, but it really could be any one of my bigs. Maybe I'll just put Anderson there and have all 5 guys stand behind the 3 point line.
Really surprised I was able to get Zeller in the 11th round. He was a starter as a rookie last year and put up decent offensive numbers for a bad Cleveland team, and will likely end up starting again (since Cleveland signed that useless bum and terrible human being known as Andrew Bynum).
Open to any thoughts, suggestions, or whatever.
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How is this team not getting any respect:
Roster looks like this:
Pg:Jennings Collison
Sg:Joe Johnson/Caldwell-Pope
Sf:Deng/Bennett/Thompson
PF:Melo/Tristian Thompson/Bennett
C:Bynum/ZAZA/Mullens
Three volume scorers + dependence on youth as depth + the Bynum factor = No bueno
Yep. For better or worse, Zaza is probably the "surest thing" you have on the bench.
Of course, the rookies could start with a big splash, and Tristan could wow now that he's moved to shooting with his off hand. That's a tough sell, though.
Would probably start Caldwell-pope and then rub Joe Johnson out to run with the bench
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Would probably start Caldwell-pope and then rub Joe Johnson out to run with the bench
Aren't you worried that might affect his energy level?
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Milwaukee Bucks
PG: Mike Conley / Jerryd Bayless
SG: JJ Redick / Alonzo Gee
SF: Paul George / Trevor Ariza
PF: Ryan Anderson / Reggie Evans
C: Emeka Okafor / Tyler Zeller / Greg Smith
Haven't yet decided how I plan on allotting minutes. I do know George is going to see a decent amount of time at the 4, in order to force other teams to match up. Not sure yet who will be the center when George plays at the 4. Probably Okafor, but it really could be any one of my bigs. Maybe I'll just put Anderson there and have all 5 guys stand behind the 3 point line.
Really surprised I was able to get Zeller in the 11th round. He was a starter as a rookie last year and put up decent offensive numbers for a bad Cleveland team, and will likely end up starting again (since Cleveland signed that useless bum and terrible human being known as Andrew Bynum).
Open to any thoughts, suggestions, or whatever.
You can't play George at the 4. I haven't really seen him try, but I can't picture him guarding 4's. Not strong enough. Post 4's will kill him. Can you imagine him guarding Horford, Pau, or Z-Bo? And on the other end of the floor, your opponent will put their SF on George and have their 4 loosely guard Ariza (who I presume will be the 3 on the floor when George plays the 4.
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Milwaukee Bucks
PG: Mike Conley / Jerryd Bayless
SG: JJ Redick / Alonzo Gee
SF: Paul George / Trevor Ariza
PF: Ryan Anderson / Reggie Evans
C: Emeka Okafor / Tyler Zeller / Greg Smith
Haven't yet decided how I plan on allotting minutes. I do know George is going to see a decent amount of time at the 4, in order to force other teams to match up. Not sure yet who will be the center when George plays at the 4. Probably Okafor, but it really could be any one of my bigs. Maybe I'll just put Anderson there and have all 5 guys stand behind the 3 point line.
Really surprised I was able to get Zeller in the 11th round. He was a starter as a rookie last year and put up decent offensive numbers for a bad Cleveland team, and will likely end up starting again (since Cleveland signed that useless bum and terrible human being known as Andrew Bynum).
Open to any thoughts, suggestions, or whatever.
You can't play George at the 4. I haven't really seen him try, but I can't picture him guarding 4's. Not strong enough. Post 4's will kill him. Can you imagine him guarding Horford, Pau, or Z-Bo? And on the other end of the floor, your opponent will put their SF on George and have their 4 loosely guard Ariza (who I presume will be the 3 on the floor when George plays the 4.
Paul George can't play those power fours you mentioned but he can play many of the others. The stretch fours. The quick fours. Limited offensive threats. Very few of the backup PFs around the league are strong enough offensively to stop P.George playing PF minutes.
So clearly he can't play there full time because he can't matchup against the type of players you mentioned but he can play there part-time and matchup effectively against many of the role player types.
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Milwaukee Bucks
PG: Mike Conley / Jerryd Bayless
SG: JJ Redick / Alonzo Gee
SF: Paul George / Trevor Ariza
PF: Ryan Anderson / Reggie Evans
C: Emeka Okafor / Tyler Zeller / Greg Smith
Haven't yet decided how I plan on allotting minutes. I do know George is going to see a decent amount of time at the 4, in order to force other teams to match up. Not sure yet who will be the center when George plays at the 4. Probably Okafor, but it really could be any one of my bigs. Maybe I'll just put Anderson there and have all 5 guys stand behind the 3 point line.
Really surprised I was able to get Zeller in the 11th round. He was a starter as a rookie last year and put up decent offensive numbers for a bad Cleveland team, and will likely end up starting again (since Cleveland signed that useless bum and terrible human being known as Andrew Bynum).
Open to any thoughts, suggestions, or whatever.
You can't play George at the 4
Bull squat!
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Would probably start Caldwell-pope and then rub Joe Johnson out to run with the bench
Aren't you worried that might affect his energy level?
No not real worried at all. Probably would put him in with the stars the second half.
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I am thinking my top four teams in the West are - LA Lakers, Houston Rockets, Golden State Warriors and Oklahoma City Thunder.
I think those four are the title contenders in the West.
Gotta respectfully disagree with Golden State being in that top 4 and Minnesota not being in there. GSW's backcourt is average to not good and Hibbert seemed to regress last year until somewhat lit a fire under his fanny in the playoffs.
Minnesota's defense with Bradley, Chalmers, Battier, Lebron and Ibaka as a main unit is maybe the best in the league. With Ellis, Chalmers or Bradley, Lebron, Big Baby and Jordan as a second main unit the TWolves can go big as well and give opponents a different look and two dangerous scorers to defend against while still maintaining very good defense.
I just don't see Minny being lower than a second place finisher out West.
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Marvin Williams is injured too? Ugh, achilles injury. Yikes. Nasty injury.
Eh, Jeff Taylor can double up as backup SF and Stuckey/Ray can get a bit more PT at SG if M.Williams doesn't recover well enough.
Looks like Williams is supposed to be back by training camp.
http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/08/22/jazz-could-get-marvin-williams-back-from-achilles-early-in-season/
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At 6'8" 220 lbs, George is equal in size to most backup PF's. He is also far quicker than any of them as well. Now, if other teams want to put their SF on him, that's fine, he'll still get his on them too.
Meanwhile, by having their PF "loosely" guard Ariza, this will just leave him wide open behind the 3 point line, where he shot 36% last year on 3.7 attempts per game.
He hasn't played any PF IRL, because he hasn't had to. Doesn't mean he can't. He is only 10lbs "lighter" than Melo (supposedly).
Will I play him there against all PF's, no. But I'm not concerned about his ability to play there at least some of the time.
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How is this team not getting any respect:
Roster looks like this:
Pg:Jennings Collison
Sg:Joe Johnson/Caldwell-Pope
Sf:Deng/Bennett/Thompson
PF:Melo/Tristian Thompson/Bennett
C:Bynum/ZAZA/Mullens
I don't think it would be easy but I would try to move, in a package or separately, Bynum, Jennings and the rookies. I buy Thompson as a back up to Melo and when JJ or Deng or Melo needs a rest he is the PF and the other 2 play the wings. I can see that and TT doesn't need to be a scorer. Just get those rebounds on both ends, which he can do.
Jennings is just a fit I do not like. Chalmers, Hill, Jack, Collison, or even Foye platooning with someone like Eric Bledsoe or CJ Watson, for me is a better working team and makes the offense flow better with an efficient three point shooter out at the PG spot that doesn't need the ball in his hands.
Bynum, well, convince the CB world he will be healthy and he's excellent. If they believe otherwise, and I think they do, you are in trouble.
And people, like me, just won't put you in high regard with rookies in a bad draft class playing a major role in your rotation.
Bynum and Pope to a team and Jennings and Bennett to another and see what you can get and you might be surprised just how much better this team is received. Of course, that is easier said than done.
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I am thinking my top four teams in the West are - LA Lakers, Houston Rockets, Golden State Warriors and Oklahoma City Thunder.
I think those four are the title contenders in the West.
Glad to see LA is getting the respect it deserves.
Possibly because we don't have the flash or pizazz, but its crazy to me that some people don't think Dirk and Marc Gasol can lead this team to a championship with the role players we've provided them with. The versatility this roster has makes it able to match up against any team in a playoff series.
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I am thinking my top four teams in the West are - LA Lakers, Houston Rockets, Golden State Warriors and Oklahoma City Thunder.
I think those four are the title contenders in the West.
Gotta respectfully disagree with Golden State being in that top 4 and Minnesota not being in there. GSW's backcourt is average to not good and Hibbert seemed to regress last year until somewhat lit a fire under his fanny in the playoffs.
Minnesota's defense with Bradley, Chalmers, Battier, Lebron and Ibaka as a main unit is maybe the best in the league. With Ellis, Chalmers or Bradley, Lebron, Big Baby and Jordan as a second main unit the TWolves can go big as well and give opponents a different look and two dangerous scorers to defend against while still maintaining very good defense.
I just don't see Minny being lower than a second place finisher out West.
I love Minnesota's defense. I am just not sure where I am with their offense. Especially when LeBron at SF alongside two big men. And with a slasher like Monta and a limited offensive guard like Bradley.
I really the potential of their small-ball lineups. Those lineups are really the only reason I would consider them on a par with the four other teams I listed above. Not wild about Ibaka or BBD at center though.
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I think Golden State's big man rotation is incredible. Roy Hibbert, LaMarcus Aldridge and Zach Randolph. That is going to be a nightmare for opponents to matchup against.
I am also very fond of their backup guards. Lou Williams has been a sixth man of the year candidate for a couple of seasons now. I believe Reggie Jackson is going to be one next year. Plus they have Ben Gordon. Tremendous depth in the backcourt.
I also like Rudy Gay more than most. And I like the defensive talent of Gay and B.Rush with their size, length and athleticism on the wing. Especially with two seven footers behind them in Roy Hibbert and LaMarcus Aldridge. I think that is going to be a very difficult combination to score against.
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Anyways, wasn't trying to come across as confrontational (been a long week at work, and I've been rather cranky lately).
I'd still like to hear any thoughts on my roster.
TP to "action" for the input.
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Milwaukee Bucks
PG: Mike Conley / Jerryd Bayless
SG: JJ Redick / Alonzo Gee
SF: Paul George / Trevor Ariza
PF: Ryan Anderson / Reggie Evans
C: Emeka Okafor / Tyler Zeller / Greg Smith
Haven't yet decided how I plan on allotting minutes. I do know George is going to see a decent amount of time at the 4, in order to force other teams to match up. Not sure yet who will be the center when George plays at the 4. Probably Okafor, but it really could be any one of my bigs. Maybe I'll just put Anderson there and have all 5 guys stand behind the 3 point line.
Really surprised I was able to get Zeller in the 11th round. He was a starter as a rookie last year and put up decent offensive numbers for a bad Cleveland team, and will likely end up starting again (since Cleveland signed that useless bum and terrible human being known as Andrew Bynum).
Open to any thoughts, suggestions, or whatever.
For me, you're getting excited about all the wrong reasons. You lineup is already very balanced and it's counterproductive to try and create further mismatches by playing George at the 4, which will only create more problems for you than the opponent IMO.
Tyler Zeller is an incredibly underwhelming player who only got minutes last season because of Varejao's injury and Cleveland tanking. Otherwise, his frame is not quite up to the rigors of the NBA, and I really wouldn't call his numbers "decent" by any stretch of the imagination. Greg Smith is the superior player and he should leap Zeller as the backup center.
Beyond that, I think your team is a very sound team. It doesn't excel at any one thing, but is competitive in many. Both units look quite cohesive, and I truly believe you've done an excellent job maximizing the value of each of your players. Especially considering the relative strength of the East, I would easily put you as one of the lead title contenders in your conference.
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I am thinking my top four teams in the West are - LA Lakers, Houston Rockets, Golden State Warriors and Oklahoma City Thunder.
I think those four are the title contenders in the West.
Glad to see LA is getting the respect it deserves.
Possibly because we don't have the flash or pizazz, but its crazy to me that some people don't think Dirk and Marc Gasol can lead this team to a championship with the role players we've provided them with. The versatility this roster has makes it able to match up against any team in a playoff series.
Top 3 team out West in my book.
Just hate Calderon on the defensive end. Strange stat. For all his pretty offensive numbers, Calderon ran one of the slowest pace and worse offenses in the league last year and when he was off the court for Detroit the offense scorer more and the defense gave up less. Calderon has always given up as much if not more defensively than what he brings to the table offensively.
And Dirk, at this stage of his career is probably no different.
but you have them surrounded with top notch defensive talent so it works but we will see how well it works in the playoff matchups.
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I think Golden State's big man rotation is incredible. Roy Hibbert, LaMarcus Aldridge and Zach Randolph. That is going to be a nightmare for opponents to matchup against.
I'm sure I'm probably alone in this regard, but I'm not sold on it. I find it unrealistic.
I'm assuming ZBo will be the backup, which he may or may not be in love with, but he surely won't be happy sitting on the bench for the majority of the 4th quarter. Or, if he plays instead of Hibbert, how will he react to that?
IDK, I guess I just tend to take those type of things into consideration. Someone is going to be on the short end in that rotation, and I'm not sure it will breed a happy team.
Maybe I'm wrong though.
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I have Denver and Cleveland as two of my top teams in the East. Not THE top two teams, at least I haven't made that determination yet
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I have Denver and Cleveland as two of my top teams in the East. Not THE top two teams, at least I haven't made that determination yet
When did Denver move to the east?
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In no order, my top East teams would be Cleveland, Milwaukee, Miami, and Washington.
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Milwaukee Bucks
PG: Mike Conley / Jerryd Bayless
SG: JJ Redick / Alonzo Gee
SF: Paul George / Trevor Ariza
PF: Ryan Anderson / Reggie Evans
C: Emeka Okafor / Tyler Zeller / Greg Smith
I really like your six main players. The starting lineup and Ariza.
I love the ball-hawking of Conley, P.George and T.Ariza. The interior defense and rebounding of Emeka. Floor stretching of R.Anderson. Skilled offensive role player in JJ Redick. The floor leadership of Conley. The an up and coming strong two way play of Paul George. All those things about this team; I really like.
On the downside (the bench), I worry about your interior defense because I think Okafor is the only plus defender there (in the paint). The rest are defensive liabilities. No rim protection outside of Meka.
So, I think the interior defense is really going to struggle whenever Okafor steps off the floor ... which is quite a bit. Only played 26mpg last year, 29mpg the year before. Minutes have been kept fairly low since his injury problems earlier in his career.
Not fond of Jerryd Bayless as backup. I think he is close to a mid-level backup PG in real NBA but that places him around 45-50th and in a 25 team league that puts him down near the bottom of the pile amongst backup PGs.
I do like Alonzo Gee but as a SF rather than a SG. I don't think he was a good fit after you already had Trevor Ariza in place. I think you needed someone with more shooting range there like a Gary Neal. Puts extra pressure on JJ Redick / P.George as sole three point threats from wing.
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How is this team not getting any respect:
Roster looks like this:
Pg:Jennings Collison
Sg:Joe Johnson/Caldwell-Pope
Sf:Deng/Bennett/Thompson
PF:Melo/Tristian Thompson/Bennett
C:Bynum/ZAZA/Mullens
I don't think it would be easy but I would try to move, in a package or separately, Bynum, Jennings and the rookies. I buy Thompson as a back up to Melo and when JJ or Deng or Melo needs a rest he is the PF and the other 2 play the wings. I can see that and TT doesn't need to be a scorer. Just get those rebounds on both ends, which he can do.
Jennings is just a fit I do not like. Chalmers, Hill, Jack, Collison, or even Foye platooning with someone like Eric Bledsoe or CJ Watson, for me is a better working team and makes the offense flow better with an efficient three point shooter out at the PG spot that doesn't need the ball in his hands.
Bynum, well, convince the CB world he will be healthy and he's excellent. If they believe otherwise, and I think they do, you are in trouble.
And people, like me, just won't put you in high regard with rookies in a bad draft class playing a major role in your rotation.
Bynum and Pope to a team and Jennings and Bennett to another and see what you can get and you might be surprised just how much better this team is received. Of course, that is easier said than done.
Jennings did all right playing with the biggest ball hog ever monte ellis
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Thanks Rondoallaturca & Who, TP to you both.
Honestly, I've mostly been "winging" it. I mean, I make a list each night, but it's odd doing it that way (to me at least).
These last couple weeks were just the worst possible timing for the draft. But it's been interesting, and a definite learning experience.
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I'm surprised you call Boston a below-average offense after just praising the Nuggets team starting Lilliard, Lee, Chandler, Varejao, and Monroe. IP's team has a considerably better offense in the starting lineup without Gallinari. When you include Gallo in the starting lineup, this Boston team is equal or better on offense at every single position 1-5 (if you twist the frontcourt matchups) than Yoki's Nuggets.
First, I'm not sure what my "praise" of Yoki's team has to do with my critique of IP's team, especially when my praise was that Yoki's team was a solid squad that lacked top-end talent and spacing in the front court.
Second, considerably better?
Irving (22.5 points, 39.1% 3PT%, .553 eFG%, 5.9 assists) vs. Lillard (19.0 points, 36.8% 3PT%, .546 TS%, 6.5 assists)
Stephenson (8.8 points, 33.0% 3PT%, .530 TS%) vs. Lee (7.8 points, 37.2% 3PT%,.545 TS%)
Brewer (12.1 points, 29.6% 3PT%, .506 TS%) vs. Chandler (13.0 points, 41.3% 3PT%, .556 TS%)
Gasol (13.7 points, 46.6% FG%, .512 TS%, 7.6% ORB%) vs. Varejao (14.1 points, 47.8% FG%, .529 TS%, 16.9% ORB%)
Splitter (10.3 points, 56.0 FG%, .609 TS%, 8.8% ORB%) vs. Monroe (16.0 points,48.6% FG%, .527 TS%, 9.9% ORB%)
Yoki's starters outscore IP's, and they outshoot them. Lillard averages more assists than Irving, and Yoki's bigs kill IP's in offensive rebounding. Heck, Anderson Varejao even shot a higher percentage than Gasol on shots from 10' to 23'.
I'd say that those teams are fairly close offensively, with Yoki probably fairing better due to his better shooting and rebounding. IP's squad certainly isn't "considerably better" on offense, particularly when you exclude Gallinari.
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Milwaukee Bucks
PG: Mike Conley / Jerryd Bayless
SG: JJ Redick / Alonzo Gee
SF: Paul George / Trevor Ariza
PF: Ryan Anderson / Reggie Evans
C: Emeka Okafor / Tyler Zeller / Greg Smith
Haven't yet decided how I plan on allotting minutes. I do know George is going to see a decent amount of time at the 4, in order to force other teams to match up. Not sure yet who will be the center when George plays at the 4. Probably Okafor, but it really could be any one of my bigs. Maybe I'll just put Anderson there and have all 5 guys stand behind the 3 point line.
Really surprised I was able to get Zeller in the 11th round. He was a starter as a rookie last year and put up decent offensive numbers for a bad Cleveland team, and will likely end up starting again (since Cleveland signed that useless bum and terrible human being known as Andrew Bynum).
Open to any thoughts, suggestions, or whatever.
While I suspect it was in jest, I think Anderson seems the best option at the 5 when George slides to PF (although perhaps by default). Zeller, maybe, if you're looking to go uptempo.
I like the combination in the starting backcourt. Both can move and shoot the ball well.
The bench ensemble seems to be missing something, but I can't quite put my finger on it, which nags at me. Perhaps one more sniper? Not sure.
It's a good roster. Should make the playoffs.
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I have Denver and Cleveland as two of my top teams in the East. Not THE top two teams, at least I haven't made that determination yet
When did Denver move to the east?
Shhhhhh.... Denver is aleeady top 2. Lets keep it that way.
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Regular season rotation
PG: Ty Lawson (33) / Steve Blake (15)
SG: Tony Allen (20) / Jamal Crawford (28)
SF: Caron Butler (25) / Gerald Wallace (15) / [Allen (8.)]
PF: Al Horford (18) / Carl Landry (25) / [Wallace (5)]
C: Kevin Garnett (25) / [Horford (15)] / Timofey Mozgov (8.)
* - Gerald Wallace will start in place of Caron Butler to guard elite SFs and more mobile PFs (LeBron James, Kevin Durant, Carmelo Anthony, Josh Smith, etc.)
Back-to-Back rotation (Garnett resting)
PG: Ty Lawson (33) / Steve Blake (15)
SG: Tony Allen (20) / Jamal Crawford (28)
SF: Caron Butler (30) / Gerald Wallace (10) / [Allen (8.)]
PF: Carl Landry (33) / [Wallace (15)]
C: Al Horford (36) / Timofey Mozgov (12) /// Kevin Garnett (0)
Playoff rotation
PG: Ty Lawson (36) / Steve Blake (12)
SG: Tony Allen (15) / Jamal Crawford (33)
SF: Caron Butler (25) / [Allen (15)] / Gerald Wallace (8.)
PF: Al Horford (20) / Carl Landry (28)
C: Kevin Garnett (33) / [Horford (15)]
A lot of info here, but the jist is we're a very flexible team, and we have a plan that our players fit into perfectly.
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I'm not sure I buy Tony Allen playing up to half of his (playoff) minutes at the SF, when he barely played there for Memphis last season.
http://www.82games.com/1213/12MEM7.HTM
Carl Landry at 33 mpg when KG rests? That also seems awful steep. Wondering how the yoyo PT for him might affect his production.
If you have picks remaining, I think another combo forward would do wonders for your rotation.
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I think LA challenges Cleveland for versatility ;)
Jose Calderon | Jose Juan Barea
Wesley Matthews | Carlos Delfino | Jeremy Lamb
Quincy Pondexter | Luc Mbah a Moute
Dirk Nowitzki | Ed Davis | Kelly Olynyk
Marc Gasol | Jermaine O'Neal
Matthews, Delfino, and Davis can cover two positions, Pondexter can cover three, and Mbah a Moute can cover a whopping four. Of those five, three of them are very skilled defenders, with one of them arguably being the best defensive specialist in the league.
And on an unrelated note, how about Jeremy Lamb and Kelly Olynyk as third-stringers? Elite team in the now + promising future talent?! That's some ballin' San Antonio Spurs thinking right there.
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Ya, your squad is good, AB.
Well put together. Which scores very high with me. It's one of the main things I look for, fit.
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Regular season rotation
PG: Ty Lawson (33) / Steve Blake (15)
SG: Tony Allen (20) / Jamal Crawford (28)
SF: Caron Butler (25) / Gerald Wallace (15) / [Allen (8.)]
PF: Al Horford (18) / Carl Landry (25) / [Wallace (5)]
C: Kevin Garnett (25) / [Horford (15)] / Timofey Mozgov (8.)
* - Gerald Wallace will start in place of Caron Butler to guard elite SFs and more mobile PFs (LeBron James, Kevin Durant, Carmelo Anthony, Josh Smith, etc.)
Back-to-Back rotation (Garnett resting)
PG: Ty Lawson (33) / Steve Blake (15)
SG: Tony Allen (20) / Jamal Crawford (28)
SF: Caron Butler (30) / Gerald Wallace (10) / [Allen (8.)]
PF: Carl Landry (33) / [Wallace (15)]
C: Al Horford (36) / Timofey Mozgov (12) /// Kevin Garnett (0)
Playoff rotation
PG: Ty Lawson (36) / Steve Blake (12)
SG: Tony Allen (15) / Jamal Crawford (33)
SF: Caron Butler (25) / [Allen (15)] / Gerald Wallace (8.)
PF: Al Horford (20) / Carl Landry (28)
C: Kevin Garnett (33) / [Horford (15)]
A lot of info here, but the jist is we're a very flexible team, and we have a plan that our players fit into perfectly.
A piece of advice (to everybody): don't give specifics on the minutes your guys will play. Stuff like that is impossible to predict. Your coach will play the best guys the most minutes, period.
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I'm not sure I buy Tony Allen playing up to half of his (playoff) minutes at the SF, when he barely played there for Memphis last season.
http://www.82games.com/1213/12MEM7.HTM
Carl Landry at 33 mpg when KG rests? That also seems awful steep. Wondering how the yoyo PT for him might affect his production.
If you have picks remaining, I think another combo forward would do wonders for your rotation.
We already have an effective (defensive) combo forward in Wallace. If people don't believe in TA at the 3 (I personally do; if he can embarrass Durant then he can guard pretty much anyone there), then Wallace can play s'more.
Landry goes from 25 mins when KG plays to 33 when he doesn't. Not a huge difference, especially considering he'll only be doing it for back-to-backs, and not every other game. Furthermore, if you look at his game log (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/3217/carl-landry) there are some nights he plays around 10 minutes and some nights he plays upwards of 30 minutes, and he's still effective.
For instance, on Feb 20, he played 14 minutes and was 5-6 with 6 rebounds. Two games later, on Feb 24, he played 33 minutes and was 8-9 with 9 rebounds. So we aren't worried about that.
A piece of advice (to everybody): don't give specifics on the minutes your guys will play. Stuff like that is impossible to predict. Your coach will play the best guys the most minutes, period.
But Roy, that's part of the fun.
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But Roy, that's part of the fun.
Yeah, but winning is even more fun. ;)
But no, why I give that advice is that if you give your fellow jackals anything to pick apart they'll be happy to oblige.
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But Roy, that's part of the fun.
Yeah, but winning is even more fun. ;)
But no, why I give that advice is that if you give your fellow jackals anything to pick apart they'll be happy to oblige.
As Lucky17 has already demonstrated. Lol
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But Roy, that's part of the fun.
Yeah, but winning is even more fun. ;)
But no, why I give that advice is that if you give your fellow jackals anything to pick apart they'll be happy to oblige.
As Lucky17 has already demonstrated. Lol
Guilty as charged. A fine rebuttal though. Did you see my latest PM?
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I think TA will be fine at the three.
In fact, I think TA is the Cavs' best option at SF + that Cleveland's most effective lineup on the season will be have J.Crawford at SG alongside TA at SF (alongside KG, Horford and Ty Lawson) with both Caron Butler and Gerald Wallace watching from the bench.
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But Roy, that's part of the fun.
Yeah, but winning is even more fun. ;)
But no, why I give that advice is that if you give your fellow jackals anything to pick apart they'll be happy to oblige.
I guess the main point of my post was to address three concerns I've heard a lot about.
1. How will the team adjust to KG sitting out B2Bs? I think my post shows we can do this without playing anyone outrageous minutes. Can Horford handle 36? Sure, he did last season. Can Mozgov handle 12? Of course
2. Will Jamal get enough minutes? I think my post shows he will. 28 in the regular season and 33 in the postseason sounds just about right to me.
3. How is Crash going to be used effectively? I think my post shows we aren't worried about his offense; we just need him to show up every now and then defensively, which he can absolutely do.
Maybe I could have portrayed these points just as well by writing a paragraph about each, but I liked laying everything out in front of me. I'm not too worried about people picking it apart; I think I've done more good than bad.
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Guilty as charged. A fine rebuttal though. Did you see my latest PM?
Didn't get anything.
Also, FWIW I plan on playing Allen about 10 minutes per game at SF on the DKC Grizz - matchups permitting, of course.
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I have Denver and Cleveland as two of my top teams in the East. Not THE top two teams, at least I haven't made that determination yet
When did Denver move to the east?
WOW!!! massive brain fart. I meant Milwaukee. You would think with all the times I selected for you I would know your team's name by now. ;D
Massive elder moment there!!
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But Roy, that's part of the fun.
Yeah, but winning is even more fun. ;)
But no, why I give that advice is that if you give your fellow jackals anything to pick apart they'll be happy to oblige.
I agree with Roy here (which pains me greatly to say).
I don't have a problem with GM's projecting minutes, but honestly, when I look at and evaluate a team's roster, I tend to judge it for myself. Stating what the depth chart looks like ought to be sufficient.
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Guilty as charged. A fine rebuttal though. Did you see my latest PM?
Didn't get anything.
Also, FWIW I plan on playing Allen about 10 minutes per game at SF on the DKC Grizz - matchups permitting, of course.
My bad, I thought AB had responded. I'd sent him the PM.
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But Roy, that's part of the fun.
Yeah, but winning is even more fun. ;)
But no, why I give that advice is that if you give your fellow jackals anything to pick apart they'll be happy to oblige.
I guess the main point of my post was to address three concerns I've heard a lot about.
1. How will the team adjust to KG sitting out B2Bs? I think my post shows we can do this without playing anyone outrageous minutes. Can Horford handle 36? Sure, he did last season. Can Mozgov handle 12? Of course
2. Will Jamal get enough minutes? I think my post shows he will. 28 in the regular season and 33 in the postseason sounds just about right to me.
3. How is Crash going to be used effectively? I think my post shows we aren't worried about his offense; we just need him to show up every now and then defensively, which he can absolutely do.
Maybe I could have portrayed these points just as well by writing a paragraph about each, but I liked laying everything out in front of me. I'm not too worried about people picking it apart; I think I've done more good than bad.
All good points. And, as Lucky17 said, you did a great job rebutting his concerns.
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I have Denver and Cleveland as two of my top teams in the East. Not THE top two teams, at least I haven't made that determination yet
When did Denver move to the east?
WOW!!! massive brain fart. I meant Milwaukee. You would think with all the times I selected for you I would know your team's name by now. ;D
Massive elder moment there!!
Haha!
That's just way too funny.
And again, thanks for helping make it easy for me to get my picks in (despite the one minor hiccup). You've done me a great service, and help alleviate my fears of drafting a team this way.
Nick really does deserve all the kudos anyone could throw at him.
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My bad, I thought AB had responded. I'd sent him the PM.
Didn't realize you were addressing me. Replied to your PM.
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But Roy, that's part of the fun.
Yeah, but winning is even more fun. ;)
But no, why I give that advice is that if you give your fellow jackals anything to pick apart they'll be happy to oblige.
As Lucky17 has already demonstrated. Lol
As Roy already demonstrated. He's doing the opposite of all-time quarterback and just attacking all our hopes and dreams like a feral Ray Lewis. Except Cleveland. He likes Cleveland.
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But Roy, that's part of the fun.
Yeah, but winning is even more fun. ;)
But no, why I give that advice is that if you give your fellow jackals anything to pick apart they'll be happy to oblige.
As Lucky17 has already demonstrated. Lol
As Roy already demonstrated. He's doing the opposite of all-time quarterback and just attacking all our hopes and dreams like a feral Ray Lewis. Except Cleveland. He likes Cleveland.
Ha. I do like Cleveland.
And I like Orlando, although I'm unsure about MWP.
Everyone else, I'm still making up my mind on. :-*
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But Roy, that's part of the fun.
Yeah, but winning is even more fun. ;)
But no, why I give that advice is that if you give your fellow jackals anything to pick apart they'll be happy to oblige.
As Lucky17 has already demonstrated. Lol
As Roy already demonstrated. He's doing the opposite of all-time quarterback and just attacking all our hopes and dreams like a feral Ray Lewis. Except Cleveland. He likes Cleveland.
Ha. I do like Cleveland.
And I like Orlando, although I'm unsure about MWP.
Everyone else, I'm still making up my mind on. :-*
Well in your defense, the teams do kinda seem to suck this year.
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Ha. I do like Cleveland.
And I like Orlando, although I'm unsure about MWP.
Everyone else, I'm still making up my mind on. :-*
Just wondering, why do you rank Orlando so highly? There's no way they can get by in Kobe's absence, and even when he does get back, he's lacking the premiere interior offensive weapon he's relied on in years past. With all due respect to Millsap, he's no Pau, Bynum, or Shaq. The other option would be to assign that role to Amare, which would require a huge leap of faith.
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Well in your defense, the teams do kinda seem to suck this year.
Definitely nobody who could stand up to the top three last year (Dallas, the Good Guys, and the second place loser.)
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Ha. I do like Cleveland.
And I like Orlando, although I'm unsure about MWP.
Everyone else, I'm still making up my mind on. :-*
Just wondering, why do you rank Orlando so highly? There's no way they can get by in Kobe's absence, and even when he does get back, he's lacking the premiere interior offensive weapon he's relied on in years past. With all due respect to Millsap, he's no Pau, Bynum, or Shaq. The other option would be to assign that role to Amare, which would require a huge leap of faith.
I didn't say where I ranked them, I just said I liked them.
I like them because they built a really smartly constructed team where the individual parts are very complementary of one another.
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My top five in both conferences are probably something like this right now, in no particular order:
EAST
Orlando
Cleveland
Milwaukee
Indiana
Washington
WEST
Minnesota
Golden State
Oklahoma City
Houston
Lakers
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Well in your defense, the teams do kinda seem to suck this year.
Definitely nobody who could stand up to the top three last year (Dallas, the Good Guys, and the second place loser.)
I agree with this, the teams might be more balanced though and there hasn't been many lopsided trades. (Yet)
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Well in your defense, the teams do kinda seem to suck this year.
Definitely nobody who could stand up to the top three last year (Dallas, the Good Guys, and the second place loser.)
Right. What I meant was all the teams seem to have warts this year. Less room at the top, less room at the bottom though.
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Are you guys overlooking Miami, or am I simply overrating them? To me, they have a very strong roster. Obviously Nash has lost a step and they don't exactly have a beefy frontcourt, but they're still quite formidable. I'm not going to call them title contenders by any means, but they're a top team in the East IMO.
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I'm surprised you call Boston a below-average offense after just praising the Nuggets team starting Lilliard, Lee, Chandler, Varejao, and Monroe. IP's team has a considerably better offense in the starting lineup without Gallinari. When you include Gallo in the starting lineup, this Boston team is equal or better on offense at every single position 1-5 (if you twist the frontcourt matchups) than Yoki's Nuggets.
First, I'm not sure what my "praise" of Yoki's team has to do with my critique of IP's team, especially when my praise was that Yoki's team was a solid squad that lacked top-end talent and spacing in the front court.
Second, considerably better?
Irving (22.5 points, 39.1% 3PT%, .553 eFG%, 5.9 assists) vs. Lillard (19.0 points, 36.8% 3PT%, .546 TS%, 6.5 assists)
Stephenson (8.8 points, 33.0% 3PT%, .530 TS%) vs. Lee (7.8 points, 37.2% 3PT%,.545 TS%)
Brewer (12.1 points, 29.6% 3PT%, .506 TS%) vs. Chandler (13.0 points, 41.3% 3PT%, .556 TS%)
Gasol (13.7 points, 46.6% FG%, .512 TS%, 7.6% ORB%) vs. Varejao (14.1 points, 47.8% FG%, .529 TS%, 16.9% ORB%)
Splitter (10.3 points, 56.0 FG%, .609 TS%, 8.8% ORB%) vs. Monroe (16.0 points,48.6% FG%, .527 TS%, 9.9% ORB%)
Yoki's starters outscore IP's, and they outshoot them. Lillard averages more assists than Irving, and Yoki's bigs kill IP's in offensive rebounding. Heck, Anderson Varejao even shot a higher percentage than Gasol on shots from 10' to 23'.
I'd say that those teams are fairly close offensively, with Yoki probably fairing better due to his better shooting and rebounding. IP's squad certainly isn't "considerably better" on offense, particularly when you exclude Gallinari.
Give me a break Roy...
"Lillard averages more assists than Irving" What point are you trying to make with a statement like this? Lillard averaged 0.6 more apg and he played 4 more mpg. If you look at their per36 stats, Kyrie averaged 6.2 and Lillard averaged 6.0. I know you're not oblivious to this, so I'm really curious what point a statement like that is trying to make.
So, because Varejao "outscored" Pau Gasol last season, he is a better scorer? Again, look at the per 36 stats (Pau wins by 2ppg) if you really need numbers beyond common sense to prove otherwise.
[Edit, sorry that sentence was unneccessary.] There are other things in your facade that I could nitpick, but I'm not sure I see the point.
And to address what they have to do with eachother is that you called one solid and the other below average. So it presumably follows that you think the solid one is better than the below average one, which I strongly disagreed with in the case of these 2 teams.
Tone it down!! Your form of debate is not allowed in these draft forums. Be respectful at all times and present opinions in a less demeaning manner.
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Well in your defense, the teams do kinda seem to suck this year.
Definitely nobody who could stand up to the top three last year (Dallas, the Good Guys, and the second place loser.)
I wonder (since this is my 1st CB draft), isn't this possibly a simple byproduct of a greater number of smart GM's? Meaning, I don't think there has been any really bad trades (other than today's blockbuster).
For the most part, it seems most all of the GM's have made smart picks, and played it safe. Maybe in year's past teams were able to build powerhouses by taking advantage of weaker GM's?
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Well in your defense, the teams do kinda seem to suck this year.
Definitely nobody who could stand up to the top three last year (Dallas, the Good Guys, and the second place loser.)
I wonder (since this is my 1st CB draft), isn't this possibly a simple byproduct of a greater number of smart GM's? Meaning, I don't think there has been any really bad trades (other than today's blockbuster).
For the most part, it seems most all of the GM's have made smart picks, and played it safe. Maybe in year's past teams were able to build powerhouses by taking advantage of weaker GM's?
Can we talk about the team in my sig from 2 seasons ago?!
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I think Golden State's big man rotation is incredible. Roy Hibbert, LaMarcus Aldridge and Zach Randolph. That is going to be a nightmare for opponents to matchup against.
I'm sure I'm probably alone in this regard, but I'm not sold on it. I find it unrealistic.
I'm assuming ZBo will be the backup, which he may or may not be in love with, but he surely won't be happy sitting on the bench for the majority of the 4th quarter. Or, if he plays instead of Hibbert, how will he react to that?
IDK, I guess I just tend to take those type of things into consideration. Someone is going to be on the short end in that rotation, and I'm not sure it will breed a happy team.
Maybe I'm wrong though.
this entire draft is unrealistic :)
everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and no one's opinion is greater or less valuable. imo, golden state might very well be the team to beat.
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My top five in both conferences are probably something like this right now, in no particular order:
EAST
Orlando
Cleveland
Milwaukee
Indiana
Washington
WEST
Minnesota
Golden State
Oklahoma City
Houston
Lakers
Just me, but I'd put Miami above Indiana.
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My top five in both conferences are probably something like this right now, in no particular order:
EAST
Orlando
Cleveland
Milwaukee
Indiana
Washington
WEST
Minnesota
Golden State
Oklahoma City
Houston
Lakers
Just me, but I'd put Miami above Indiana.
I have said this elsewhere around the blog: I think Durant is next year's MVP. I think he will take a big step forward and be THAT guy in the league and for that reason and having the upper level talent of Williams and Scola with him, I rank Indy high.
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I am thinking my top four teams in the West are - LA Lakers, Houston Rockets, Golden State Warriors and Oklahoma City Thunder.
I think those four are the title contenders in the West.
Gotta respectfully disagree with Golden State being in that top 4 and Minnesota not being in there. GSW's backcourt is average to not good and Hibbert seemed to regress last year until somewhat lit a fire under his fanny in the playoffs.
Minnesota's defense with Bradley, Chalmers, Battier, Lebron and Ibaka as a main unit is maybe the best in the league. With Ellis, Chalmers or Bradley, Lebron, Big Baby and Jordan as a second main unit the TWolves can go big as well and give opponents a different look and two dangerous scorers to defend against while still maintaining very good defense.
I just don't see Minny being lower than a second place finisher out West.
Appreciate the love Nick.
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I am thinking my top four teams in the West are - LA Lakers, Houston Rockets, Golden State Warriors and Oklahoma City Thunder.
I think those four are the title contenders in the West.
Gotta respectfully disagree with Golden State being in that top 4 and Minnesota not being in there. GSW's backcourt is average to not good and Hibbert seemed to regress last year until somewhat lit a fire under his fanny in the playoffs.
Minnesota's defense with Bradley, Chalmers, Battier, Lebron and Ibaka as a main unit is maybe the best in the league. With Ellis, Chalmers or Bradley, Lebron, Big Baby and Jordan as a second main unit the TWolves can go big as well and give opponents a different look and two dangerous scorers to defend against while still maintaining very good defense.
I just don't see Minny being lower than a second place finisher out West.
I love Minnesota's defense. I am just not sure where I am with their offense. Especially when LeBron at SF alongside two big men. And with a slasher like Monta and a limited offensive guard like Bradley.
I really the potential of their small-ball lineups. Those lineups are really the only reason I would consider them on a par with the four other teams I listed above. Not wild about Ibaka or BBD at center though.
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Remember that defense leads to offense and my team can run the floor, too.
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Ha. I do like Cleveland.
And I like Orlando, although I'm unsure about MWP.
Everyone else, I'm still making up my mind on. :-*
Just wondering, why do you rank Orlando so highly? There's no way they can get by in Kobe's absence, and even when he does get back, he's lacking the premiere interior offensive weapon he's relied on in years past. With all due respect to Millsap, he's no Pau, Bynum, or Shaq. The other option would be to assign that role to Amare, which would require a huge leap of faith.
Is anybody at all gonna be shocked if Kobe "Senzubean" Bryant is ready within the first month of the season? Sketchy experimental treatments aside the dude is probably the best-conditioned player in the league.
We don't have a dominant full-time post player (though Amar'e was super-efficient even banged up in limited minutes last year) but we make up for it with better D, better PGs, a better bench, and better team play than the 09-10 Lakers. MWP is the only question mark in the lineup, and he's already won a ring with Kobe and is coming off his best season in years.
Plus, we have a secret weapon that the Lakers never had - the raw sex appeal of Eric Spoelstra:
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PG: Derrick Rose, Eric Maynor
SG: Iman Shumpert, Marco Belinelli, Ben McLemore
SF: DeMar DeRozan, Chase Budinger
PF: Taj Gibson, Udonis Haslem, Patrick Patterson
C: Dwight Howard, Ian Mahinmi
I wanted to create an elite defensive unit that would control the glass, turn opponents over, and score a ton of points in the transition game.
Yes, yes, I know: I have Dwight Howard, so I must have shooters to put around him. Well, along with providing suffocating D, Iman Shumpert shot 40%+ from 3pt land last season (and his percentages improved in the playoffs). He'll see some minutes at the 3 this season, along with Chase Budinger, who shot 40% from 3 in his last full season. Marco Belinelli is another threat from deep. Haslem and Gibson have been known to knock down the occasional baseline jumper.
I've got one more pick left, and enough depth to perhaps make one more trade. But even if I stand pat, I like this team's ability to shut opponents down, and grind out victories.
before i say anything about the roster.....hats off for that trade! regardless of how ur team finishes, ur the mvp of this entire draft for highway robbing on that trade, along with the drafting you have done in such little time.
now.....on paper, ur team is fully legit. but when i sit back and really think on it, im not sold. i said something similar about kyrie....i love his game and he is the real deal....even more so for rose. but the injury is a major question mark for me. he might be the same rose as he was b4 the injury, but he might not. so that question mark really hinders how high i could rank this team.
dh12...on paper and attributes he is the best center in the league. but he is soft, emotionally fragile, and failed playing with the lakers playing alongside a mvp-type player (kobe).....can he co-exist with rose is a big question mark. dh12 is emotionally fragile and he prefers to be the "man" rather than playing second fiddle.
one thing i like a lot are ur role players and depth of those role players, at the 2,3,4.
if rose is at his mvp level and dh12 can play to his capability, this is a title contender....but those two factors are big question marks for me.
in any event, like i said, what u have done with what u inherited and in such a short time is nothing less than awesome!
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I'm surprised you call Boston a below-average offense after just praising the Nuggets team starting Lilliard, Lee, Chandler, Varejao, and Monroe. IP's team has a considerably better offense in the starting lineup without Gallinari. When you include Gallo in the starting lineup, this Boston team is equal or better on offense at every single position 1-5 (if you twist the frontcourt matchups) than Yoki's Nuggets.
First, I'm not sure what my "praise" of Yoki's team has to do with my critique of IP's team, especially when my praise was that Yoki's team was a solid squad that lacked top-end talent and spacing in the front court.
Second, considerably better?
Irving (22.5 points, 39.1% 3PT%, .553 eFG%, 5.9 assists) vs. Lillard (19.0 points, 36.8% 3PT%, .546 TS%, 6.5 assists)
Stephenson (8.8 points, 33.0% 3PT%, .530 TS%) vs. Lee (7.8 points, 37.2% 3PT%,.545 TS%)
Brewer (12.1 points, 29.6% 3PT%, .506 TS%) vs. Chandler (13.0 points, 41.3% 3PT%, .556 TS%)
Gasol (13.7 points, 46.6% FG%, .512 TS%, 7.6% ORB%) vs. Varejao (14.1 points, 47.8% FG%, .529 TS%, 16.9% ORB%)
Splitter (10.3 points, 56.0 FG%, .609 TS%, 8.8% ORB%) vs. Monroe (16.0 points,48.6% FG%, .527 TS%, 9.9% ORB%)
Yoki's starters outscore IP's, and they outshoot them. Lillard averages more assists than Irving, and Yoki's bigs kill IP's in offensive rebounding. Heck, Anderson Varejao even shot a higher percentage than Gasol on shots from 10' to 23'.
I'd say that those teams are fairly close offensively, with Yoki probably fairing better due to his better shooting and rebounding. IP's squad certainly isn't "considerably better" on offense, particularly when you exclude Gallinari.
Give me a break Roy...
"Lillard averages more assists than Irving" What point are you trying to make with a statement like this? Lillard averaged 0.6 more apg and he played 4 more mpg. If you look at their per36 stats, Kyrie averaged 6.2 and Lillard averaged 6.0. I know you're not oblivious to this, so I'm really curious what point a statement like that is trying to make.
So, because Varejao "outscored" Pau Gasol last season, he is a better scorer? Again, look at the per 36 stats (Pau wins by 2ppg) if you really need numbers beyond common sense to prove otherwise.
[Edit, sorry that sentence was unneccessary.] There are other things in your facade that I could nitpick, but I'm not sure I see the point.
And to address what they have to do with eachother is that you called one solid and the other below average. So it presumably follows that you think the solid one is better than the below average one, which I strongly disagreed with in the case of these 2 teams.
That's what you got out of my post?
I'll just assume your response is your admission that IP's team (without Gallinari) is not "significantly better" on offense than Yoki's.
I do find it funny that you condescend to me, when you're the one who said something terribly inaccurate. But please, continue to rely on "common sense" rather than objective evidence.
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I want better forms of debate here without the snarkiness!!
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PG: Parker, DJ
SG: Eric Gordon, Brandon Knight, Reggie Bullock
SF: Jerebko, AK, Reggie Bullock
PF: AK, Psycho T, Jason Smith
C: Big Al, Enes Kanter, Chris Kaman
Coached by McHale
thoughts?
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Danny Green started the most games for the San Antonio Spurs in 2013. He played 2201 minutes, leading the team. He averaged 13.7 PP36. Kawhi Leonard, darling of the 2013 playoffs, started the most games of any other wing on the Spurs roster, and he averaged 13.7 pp36.
Lance Stephenson during the last 3 months of the season averaged 11.something. Gallinari averaged 17 pp36, as did Brewer. Obviously Pau's not as effective as Tim, but Valancinunas is going to be a better offensive weapon as a scorer than anyone outside of (and potentially including) Dunacn and Splitter in the post. Gasol..well he had a bad year, but his career pp36 is around 18 ppg,'and without Kobe, Dwight or "talent" around him next season in LA, Id be pretty surprise if he didn't exceed that 18 number.
In short, NO, Im not concerned about my scoring.
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PG: Parker, DJ
SG: Eric Gordon, Brandon Knight, Reggie Bullock
SF: Jerebko, AK, Reggie Bullock
PF: AK, Psycho T, Jason Smith
C: Big Al, Enes Kanter, Chris Kaman
Coached by McHale
thoughts?
Think I've said this before, but if Gordon can come back healthy, your back court would be one of the best in the league. The only weaknesses I see is at the SF position and your bench is kind of suspect right now. If you could fix those two problems, your team would be a lot better.
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Are you guys overlooking Miami, or am I simply overrating them? To me, they have a very strong roster. Obviously Nash has lost a step and they don't exactly have a beefy frontcourt, but they're still quite formidable. I'm not going to call them title contenders by any means, but they're a top team in the East IMO.
I agree. I think it has to do with Bosh being one of the most hated players amongst the GM's. I think KC put together a heckuva team. Hayward and Parsons are also both very underrated players. I'd rank Miami top 4 in the east right now.
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PG: Parker, DJ
SG: Eric Gordon, Brandon Knight, Reggie Bullock
SF: Jerebko, AK, Reggie Bullock
PF: AK, Psycho T, Jason Smith
C: Big Al, Enes Kanter, Chris Kaman
Coached by McHale
thoughts?
Think I've said this before, but if Gordon can come back healthy, your back court would be one of the best in the league. The only weaknesses I see is at the SF position and your bench is kind of suspect right now. If you could fix those two problems, your team would be a lot better.
Thanks man
trying to address those problems
TP
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Houston Rockets
1. Goran Dragic/Will Bynum
2. James Harden/Jason Terry
3. Nic Batum/Tayshaun Prince
4. Kenneth Faried/Boris Diaw
5. Marcin Gortat/Kenyon Martin
Thoughts? What can I improve on?
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I think Golden State's big man rotation is incredible. Roy Hibbert, LaMarcus Aldridge and Zach Randolph. That is going to be a nightmare for opponents to matchup against.
I'm sure I'm probably alone in this regard, but I'm not sold on it. I find it unrealistic.
I'm assuming ZBo will be the backup, which he may or may not be in love with, but he surely won't be happy sitting on the bench for the majority of the 4th quarter. Or, if he plays instead of Hibbert, how will he react to that?
IDK, I guess I just tend to take those type of things into consideration. Someone is going to be on the short end in that rotation, and I'm not sure it will breed a happy team.
Maybe I'm wrong though.
this entire draft is unrealistic :)
everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and no one's opinion is greater or less valuable. imo, golden state might very well be the team to beat.
Winning takes care of pretty much anything. Hopefully it works out. Typically as long as guys are getting paid, winning, and making a contribution they're pretty happy. I'm not too worried about it. I guess we will see tho.
Also in looking at the all American good guys from last year, I see a lot of similarities to my warriors ;)
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I am thinking my top four teams in the West are - LA Lakers, Houston Rockets, Golden State Warriors and Oklahoma City Thunder.
I think those four are the title contenders in the West.
Gotta respectfully disagree with Golden State being in that top 4 and Minnesota not being in there. GSW's backcourt is average to not good and Hibbert seemed to regress last year until somewhat lit a fire under his fanny in the playoffs.
Minnesota's defense with Bradley, Chalmers, Battier, Lebron and Ibaka as a main unit is maybe the best in the league. With Ellis, Chalmers or Bradley, Lebron, Big Baby and Jordan as a second main unit the TWolves can go big as well and give opponents a different look and two dangerous scorers to defend against while still maintaining very good defense.
I just don't see Minny being lower than a second place finisher out West.
I love Minnesota's defense. I am just not sure where I am with their offense. Especially when LeBron at SF alongside two big men. And with a slasher like Monta and a limited offensive guard like Bradley.
I really the potential of their small-ball lineups. Those lineups are really the only reason I would consider them on a par with the four other teams I listed above. Not wild about Ibaka or BBD at center though.
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I think Golden State's big man rotation is incredible. Roy Hibbert, LaMarcus Aldridge and Zach Randolph. That is going to be a nightmare for opponents to matchup against.
I am also very fond of their backup guards. Lou Williams has been a sixth man of the year candidate for a couple of seasons now. I believe Reggie Jackson is going to be one next year. Plus they have Ben Gordon. Tremendous depth in the backcourt.
I also like Rudy Gay more than most. And I like the defensive talent of Gay and B.Rush with their size, length and athleticism on the wing. Especially with two seven footers behind them in Roy Hibbert and LaMarcus Aldridge. I think that is going to be a very difficult combination to score against.
Felton really abused Bradley in the playoffs though. He's not a ball dominant guard but can create off the dribble and makes other PGs unable to play off him. I think he's a solid fit on the team and a top 15 pg.
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Are you guys overlooking Miami, or am I simply overrating them? To me, they have a very strong roster. Obviously Nash has lost a step and they don't exactly have a beefy frontcourt, but they're still quite formidable. I'm not going to call them title contenders by any means, but they're a top team in the East IMO.
I agree. I think it has to do with Bosh being one of the most hated players amongst the GM's. I think KC put together a heckuva team. Hayward and Parsons are also both very underrated players. I'd rank Miami top 4 in the east right now.
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Houston Rockets
1. Goran Dragic/Will Bynum
2. James Harden/Jason Terry
3. Nic Batum/Tayshaun Prince
4. Kenneth Faried/Boris Diaw
5. Marcin Gortat/Kenyon Martin
Thoughts? What can I improve on?
Definite contender but there'll still be some questions about frontcourt defense I think - Faried is a big upgrade on D but will have some major size disadvantages against some of the Western contenders' frontcourts. And Diaw and K-Mart are both very experienced but it's suspect whether either can be a legit 3rd big for a top team at this point in their careers.
The pluses - you've got two very good defensive wings for teams that go small, and some of the best athleticism and length in the league. The starting 5 can hang with anybody. You'll have an uphill climb arguing for Terry as a scoring 6th after last season, but it can be done.
I think you're right in the mix out West, but it's absolutely stacked and there are some matchups that will be really tough for you to win without at least a stronger 3rd big, and maybe more bench overall.
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I want better forms of debate here without the snarkiness!!
Although its well in the past (earlier tonight, ha) I'd just like to apologize to Roy for being a jerk in an earlier post. Maybe other things caused me to react in the abrasive manner that I did. Roy, you're one of the best posters on this blog and you make cbdraft in particular a better game for all participants.
Nick, excellent job so far as well.
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Our draft is complete. BleedGreen1989 and I proudly present to you the CBlog Los Angeles Lakers!:
Jose Calderon | Jose Juan Barea | Michael Carter-Williams
Wesley Matthews | Carlos Delfino | Jeremy Lamb
Quincy Pondexter | Luc Mbah a Moute
Dirk Nowitzki | Ed Davis | Kelly Olynyk
Marc Gasol | Jermaine O'Neal
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Our draft is complete. BleedGreen1989 and I proudly present to you the CBlog Los Angeles Lakers!:
Jose Calderon | Jose Juan Barea | Michael Carter-Williams
Wesley Matthews | Carlos Delfino | Jeremy Lamb
Quincy Pondexter | Luc Mbah a Moute
Dirk Nowitzki | Ed Davis | Kelly Olynyk
Marc Gasol | Jermaine O'Neal
That's fun to have Olynyk apprentice directly with Nowitzki =)
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Guards: Gordon Haywood, Steve Nash, Andre Miller, Gary Neal, Alexey Shved
Forwards: Josh Smith, Chandler Parsons, Darrell Arthur, John Salmons Kevin Seraphin, Omri Casspi
Centers: Chris Bosh, Samuel Dalembert
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-9XTw-jUwtt4/T9OhbJ0KU_I/AAAAAAAACwY/k1tZglvH49w/s400/CSG+Episode+60+-+I'll+Have+Another+-+Donezo.png)
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Rubio/Billups
Afflalo/Pietrus
Green/Novak
Griffin/Hill/Turiaf
Vucevic/Leonard/Turiaf
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Guards: Gordon Haywood, Steve Nash, Andre Miller, Gary Neal, Alexey Shved
Forwards: Josh Smith, Chandler Parsons, Darrell Arthur, John Salmons Kevin Seraphin, Omri Casspi
Centers: Chris Bosh, Samuel Dalembert
I like this team!
Do I like 'em to win the rumble?
I don't like em that much!
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Really though, this will be one of my favorite teams to watch and I think they'll win a lot of games. I'll vote for this team a bit if I'm around to vote.
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SAN ANTONIO SPURS
PG: Kemba Walker/ Luke Ridnour/ Toney Douglas
SG: Andre Iguodala/ Marcus Thornton
SF: Danny Granger/ Luigi Datome/ DeMarre Carroll
PF: Kevin Love/ Thaddeus Young/ Donatas Motiejunas
C: JaVale McGee/ Cody Zeller
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/db680693ae304cf14c6888805de230ea/tumblr_mnkouxC2GQ1r90ovto1_500.jpg)
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The Pacers
PG: Deron Williams / Rodney Stuckey / Shaun Livingston
SG: Jeff Taylor / Ray Allen / Rodney Stuckey
SF: Kevin Durant / Marvin Williams / Michael Beasley
PF: Luis Scola / Andrew Nicholson / Markieff Morris
C: Robin Lopez / Elton Brand
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The Pacers
PG: Deron Williams / Rodney Stuckey / Shaun Livingston
SG: Jeff Taylor / Ray Allen / Rodney Stuckey
SF: Kevin Durant / Marvin Williams / Michael Beasley
PF: Luis Scola / Andrew Nicholson / Markieff Morris
C: Robin Lopez / Elton Brand
I personally would alter that 2-guard rotation. Taylor doesn't deserve to be starting over those two. Allen should start and play 20-25 MPG with Taylor and Stuckey filling in the rest of the available minutes.
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The Pacers
PG: Deron Williams / Rodney Stuckey / Shaun Livingston
SG: Jeff Taylor / Ray Allen / Rodney Stuckey
SF: Kevin Durant / Marvin Williams / Michael Beasley
PF: Luis Scola / Andrew Nicholson / Markieff Morris
C: Robin Lopez / Elton Brand
I personally would alter that 2-guard rotation. Taylor doesn't deserve to be starting over those two. Allen should start and play 20-25 MPG with Taylor and Stuckey filling in the rest of the available minutes.
Since Williams seems to be out longterm, you might consider moving Taylor to backup 3 and starting Stuckey with Allen providing scoring off the bench.
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Everyone's available, shoot me an offer - looking for equal talent in return.
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Boston Mod Squad:
Kyrie Irving/Isaiah Thomas/Patrick Beverley
Lance Stephenson/Evan Fournier/Kent Bazemore
Danilo Gallinari/Corey Brewer
Pau Gasol/Terrance Jones
Tiago Splitter/Jonas Valanciunas/Pero Antic
Beverley (1/2), Fournier (2/3), Gallo (3/4), Jones (4/3), Splitter (4/5) and Gasol (4/5) will all spend time at multiple positions.
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The Pacers
PG: Deron Williams / Rodney Stuckey / Shaun Livingston
SG: Jeff Taylor / Ray Allen / Rodney Stuckey
SF: Kevin Durant / Marvin Williams / Michael Beasley
PF: Luis Scola / Andrew Nicholson / Markieff Morris
C: Robin Lopez / Elton Brand
I personally would alter that 2-guard rotation. Taylor doesn't deserve to be starting over those two. Allen should start and play 20-25 MPG with Taylor and Stuckey filling in the rest of the available minutes.
Since Williams seems to be out longterm, you might consider moving Taylor to backup 3 and starting Stuckey with Allen providing scoring off the bench.
But if Taylor can develop into a strong defender, and I believe he can, that's useful to an Indiana team that's going to struggle on that end. Admittedly he may not have the foot speed to stay in front the league's quickest two guards, I don't know.
I might start Brand over Lopez, how do those two match up these days?
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SAN ANTONIO SPURS
PG: Kemba Walker/ Luke Ridnour/ Toney Douglas
SG: Andre Iguodala/ Marcus Thornton
SF: Danny Granger/ Luigi Datome/ DeMarre Carroll
PF: Kevin Love/ Thaddeus Young/ Donatas Motiejunas
C: JaVale McGee/ Cody Zeller
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/db680693ae304cf14c6888805de230ea/tumblr_mnkouxC2GQ1r90ovto1_500.jpg)
Best press guides in the draft, easily.
A roster full of guys I like, and an uber-entertaining crew to watch. If these Spurs played on an aircraft carrier, they'd be the "Greatest Show on Surf."
I think my only quibble might be with the SF rotation. I'd prefer to see a non-rookie be Granger's primary backup (unless Thad sees time there?).
[Edit: Iggy can slide over too, so my fears re: a Granger knee-otomy are lessened.]
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SAN ANTONIO SPURS
PG: Kemba Walker/ Luke Ridnour/ Toney Douglas
SG: Andre Iguodala/ Marcus Thornton
SF: Danny Granger/ Luigi Datome/ DeMarre Carroll
PF: Kevin Love/ Thaddeus Young/ Donatas Motiejunas
C: JaVale McGee/ Cody Zeller
Best press guides in the draft, easily.
A roster full of guys I like, and an uber-entertaining crew to watch. If these Spurs played on an aircraft carrier, they'd be the "Greatest Show on Surf."
I think my only quibble might be with the SF rotation. I'd prefer to see a non-rookie be Granger's primary backup (unless Thad sees time there?).
[Edit: Iggy can slide over too, so my fears re: a Granger knee-otomy are lessened.]
I'm now going to look into leasing a decommissioned carrier for home games, piloted by the Admiral himself. Also it was a lot easier putting my team together without you around in the early going targeting 3-4 of the guys I wanted.
My plan is to limit Granger to 25-28 minutes a night in the regular season, shift Iguodala to the 3 with Thornton or Ridnour playing the 2, also yes, heavy minutes at the 3/4 for Young off the bench. He'd be a starter in an old fashioned 30 team league.
Don't discount Carroll either. He played his way into the rotation in Utah last season and a larger role in Atlanta this season. He's a highly efficient plus defender who rarely tries to do too much.
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Carroll was on my list (of 5) going into the 13th round. I went with Fields instead, under the (perhaps misguided) notion that he might return to his shooting form from rookie season.
Did you really go this whole exercise without a trade? PM me if you want to do something about that (what, I have no idea).
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Boston Mod Squad:
Kyrie Irving/Isaiah Thomas/Patrick Beverley
Lance Stephenson/Evan Fournier/Kent Bazemore
Danilo Gallinari/Corey Brewer
Pau Gasol/Terrance Jones
Tiago Splitter/Jonas Valanciunas/Pero Antic
Beverley (1/2), Fournier (2/3), Gallo (3/4), Jones (4/3), Splitter (4/5) and Gasol (4/5) will all spend time at multiple positions.
Valanciunas should start ahead of Splitter. More talented player.
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The Pacers
PG: Deron Williams / Rodney Stuckey / Shaun Livingston
SG: Jeff Taylor / Ray Allen / Rodney Stuckey
SF: Kevin Durant / Marvin Williams / Michael Beasley
PF: Luis Scola / Andrew Nicholson / Markieff Morris
C: Robin Lopez / Elton Brand
I personally would alter that 2-guard rotation. Taylor doesn't deserve to be starting over those two. Allen should start and play 20-25 MPG with Taylor and Stuckey filling in the rest of the available minutes.
Since Williams seems to be out longterm, you might consider moving Taylor to backup 3 and starting Stuckey with Allen providing scoring off the bench.
Williams isnt out long term, should be back early in the season, I believe November target
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Denver Nuggets.
Damian Lillard / Kyle Lowry / Leandro Barbosa
Courtney Lee / Alec Burks
Wilson Chandler / Martell Webster / Jason Richardson
Anderson Varejao / Marreesse Speights
Greg Monroe / Andrew Bogut / Marcus Camby
Andy penciled as Starter, but Bogut wil get some starts, mostly against big teams with inside scoring presence.
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Jrue Holiday/Greivis Vasquez/Nate Robinson
Danny Green/J.R. Smith
Shawn Marion/Chris Copeland/Giannis Antetokounmpo
David Lee/Brandon Bass
Tyson Chandler/Brandan Wright/Andris Biedrins
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Ty Lawson / Steve Blake
Tony Allen / Jamal Crawford / Terrence Ross
Caron Butler / Gerald Wallace
Al Horford / Carl Landry / Lamar Odom
Kevin Garnett / Timofey Mozgov / Bernard James
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Through 13 rounds
CB Draft Pistons:
C: Andre Drummond/ Greg Oden/ Gorgiu Dieng
PF: Anthony Davis/ Bismack Biyombo
SF: Al Farouq Aminu/ Otto Porter
SG: Bradley Beal/ Dion Waiters/ Sergey Karasev
PG: Eric Bledsoe/ Trey Burke/ Norris Cole
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Through 13 rounds
CB Draft Pistons:
C: Andre Drummond/ Greg Oden/ Gorgiu Dieng
PF: Anthony Davis/ Bismack Biyombo
SF: Al Farouq Aminu/ Otto Porter
SG: Bradley Beal/ Dion Waiters/ Sergey Karasev
PG: Eric Bledsoe/ Trey Burke/ Norris Cole
Def. the Team of the Future. I'm just not sure it will contend this year.
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Through 13 rounds
CB Draft Pistons:
C: Andre Drummond/ Greg Oden/ Gorgiu Dieng
PF: Anthony Davis/ Bismack Biyombo
SF: Al Farouq Aminu/ Otto Porter
SG: Bradley Beal/ Dion Waiters/ Sergey Karasev
PG: Eric Bledsoe/ Trey Burke/ Norris Cole
Im not gonna waste my time telling you the prospects for 2 or 3 years from now, you know they're very promising.
So lets talk about this year. Bledsoe, when he was asked to be a full-time starter, was pretty bad IIRC. The Suns are betting he can coexist with Dragic, and I think that's a better for than you have here. I don't think he can helm the point for a a playoff team for a full season yet, and that's really a shame IMO, because Im really high on Beal, Davis, and Drummond. But the depth isn't anything to write home about (in terms of what these guys are gonna be bringing next season).
I think in the more shallow league we have, there's not a real chance of getting to the playoffs, though Im full on board with building the team around Davis/Drummond/Beal.
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Dallas Mavs after 13
C: Al Jefferson/Enes Kanter/Chris Kaman
PF: Andrei Kirilenko/Tyler Hansborough/Jason Smith
SF: Reggie Bullock/Jonas Jerebko/Terrence Williams
SG: Eric Gordon/Brandon Knight/Reggie Bullock
PG: Tony Parker/DJ Augustine/Terrence Williams
I've decided to bring Jonas off the bench and start my 3andD rookie at SF
Put him in the corner and have him play solid pitbull defence against other SF's
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I'm ready to get others thoughts...
C - DeAndre Jordan, Greg Stiemsma
F - LeBron James, Serge Ibaka, Glen Davis, Shane Battier, Kyle Korver, Jae Crowder
G - Monta Ellis, Avery Bradley, CJ Miles, Jordan Farmar, Mario Chalmers
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I'm ready to get others thoughts...
C - DeAndre Jordan, Greg Stiemsma
F - LeBron James, Serge Ibaka, Glen Davis, Shane Battier, Kyle Korver, Jae Crowder
G - Monta Ellis, Avery Bradley, CJ Miles, Jordan Farmar, Mario Chalmers
Really like your teams fit
AB is the perfect guard to go with lebron, and your athletic 3/4/5 should provide some nice plays
Athletic scary team with some good shooters off the bench
Very fond of this team
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I'm ready to get others thoughts...
C - DeAndre Jordan, Greg Stiemsma
F - LeBron James, Serge Ibaka, Glen Davis, Shane Battier, Kyle Korver, Jae Crowder
G - Monta Ellis, Avery Bradley, CJ Miles, Jordan Farmar, Mario Chalmers
So Im seeing
Monta
Avery
Battier
Lebron
Ibaka
As the most dangerous lineup. Ellis isn't a premier 3pt shooter, or a good facilitator, but Lebron has become both those things. Great defenders 2-5, scorers, rebounding is weak but everything can't be perfect all the time.
Lebron is the difference between a lotto team and a contender, but you're gona get that picking last in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.
Jordan is good defense off the bench, Korver/Davis/Chalmers round out the tight rotation. Great team with Lebron, contender.
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I'm ready to get others thoughts...
C - DeAndre Jordan, Greg Stiemsma
F - LeBron James, Serge Ibaka, Glen Davis, Shane Battier, Kyle Korver, Jae Crowder
G - Monta Ellis, Avery Bradley, CJ Miles, Jordan Farmar, Mario Chalmers
So Im seeing
Monta
Avery
Battier
Lebron
Ibaka
As the most dangerous lineup. Ellis isn't a premier 3pt shooter, or a good facilitator, but Lebron has become both those things. Great defenders 2-5, scorers, rebounding is weak but everything can't be perfect all the time.
Lebron is the difference between a lotto team and a contender, but you're gona get that picking last in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.
Jordan is good defense off the bench, Korver/Davis/Chalmers round out the tight rotation. Great team with Lebron, contender.
D.Jordan should start ahead of Ibaka at center, or play ahead of Ibaka at center, in those small-ball lineups. His superior man-to-man defense at the C position (most often) makes D.Joran the better option. More defensive integrity. Less need to double team. Against less physically imposing centers, that Ibaka can better defender, Ibaka's superior offensive game gives him the nod over D.Jordan. But I think D.Jordan takes first chair and Ibaka as alternate.
I wonder if M.Chalmers or J.Farmar with their superior long range shooting + dribble drive game (especially Farmar) isn't a better option than Avery Bradley in those small ball lineups too. That is a hard one to figure out.
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I wonder if M.Chalmers or J.Farmar with their superior long range shooting + dribble drive game (especially Farmar) isn't a better option than Avery Bradley in those small ball lineups too. That is a hard one to figure out.
I think AB is there to shut down the other teams better guard, with the offence relying on LBJ and Monta to score, so AB's not so spectacular handle won't be on display with a point forward
That's why I think AB should start
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I'm ready to get others thoughts...
C - DeAndre Jordan, Greg Stiemsma
F - LeBron James, Serge Ibaka, Glen Davis, Shane Battier, Kyle Korver, Jae Crowder
G - Monta Ellis, Avery Bradley, CJ Miles, Jordan Farmar, Mario Chalmers
The nice thing about this team is its versatility. The bad thing is that Monta Ellis is one of the worst second fiddles for Lebron. He's not a great perimeter threat, and if Bradley is the presumable backcourt mate, that would leave Battier/Korver as the only legitimate shooter with Lebron. Beyond that, Ellis' play style has resemblances of Wade's, except that Ellis finishes at a worse rate, and needs the ball a lot more to do so. I think Korver and Jordan would be better fits to the starting lineup than Ellis and Ibaka, but at that point it would be a very inefficient use of talent.
As such, this team's offense is not looking very pretty. It'll get its fair share of points from fastbreak opportunities thanks to its defense creating offense, but there's only going to be so many of those in a game, especially during playoff season. I can easily see this team getting shut down similar to Lebron's Cleveland teams, except that there's a lot more players you can double off on.
I think this team is a definite contender, and it features one of the best defenses in the league, but I'm just not sure if there's enough offense to take this team to the top.
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Why not just start Super Intendent Chalmers?
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Why not just start Super Intendent Chalmers?
Super Nintendo Chalmers
Monta Ellis
Shane Battier
Lebron James
Deandre Jordan
This might be the best option IMO
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Why not just start Super Intendent Chalmers?
Super Nintendo Chalmers
Monta Ellis
Shane Battier
Lebron James
Deandre Jordan
This might be the best option IMO
SNES
Avery
Lebron
Ibaka
Jordan
With Baby subbing in for Jordan if needed, and Monta as a 6th. That's pretty much game over, right?
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Wouldn't you want more perimeter shooting with Lebron?
Chalmers
Bradley / Ellis
Korver
Lebron
Ibaka / Jordan
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Why not just start Super Intendent Chalmers?
Super Nintendo Chalmers
Monta Ellis
Shane Battier
Lebron James
Deandre Jordan
This might be the best option IMO
SNES
Avery
Lebron
Ibaka
Jordan
With Baby subbing in for Jordan if needed, and Monta as a 6th.
Without Monta, there's not enough scoring in the starting lineup to compete. That's a very beatable squad.
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Why not just start Super Intendent Chalmers?
Super Nintendo Chalmers
Monta Ellis
Shane Battier
Lebron James
Deandre Jordan
This might be the best option IMO
SNES
Avery
Lebron
Ibaka
Jordan
With Baby subbing in for Jordan if needed, and Monta as a 6th. That's pretty much game over, right?
That is an interesting idea. I like that.
I think LeBron + Ibaka + D.Jordan work well as a starting frontcourt. The problem is adding Monta Ellis into the mix because he is a slasher and not a shooter. Floor spacing becomes more difficult. Then throw Bradley in on top of it and the floor gets squeezed even more.
Moving Monta Ellis to the bench and sticking in another shooter in Chalmers addresses that nicely while keeping their toughest defensive + rebounding combinations in tact to open games. Then go smaller with more offense on the floor as the game goes on once Minnesota have set the tone for their defense early.
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Wouldn't you want more perimeter shooting with Lebron?
Chalmers
Bradley / Ellis
Korver
Lebron
Ibaka / Jordan
I still don't think that unit scores enough.
I'd probably lean toward:
Ellis
Bradley
Korver
Lebron
Ibaka
Or, use Battier instead of Korver. There's this seeming misconception that Lebron needs shooters around him to be successful. That's not true; last year, Miami's base starting lineup was Bosh-Haslem-Lebron-Wade-Chalmers. For the record, that's one other three point shooter.
I think on Minnesota, Ibaka plays the Bosh role and Monta replicates (a lesser) Wade. Keep guys in those roles, instead of removing all offense from the starting lineup.
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SNES
Avery
Lebron
Ibaka
Jordan
With Baby subbing in for Jordan if needed, and Monta as a 6th. That's pretty much game over, right?
Lebron would be the only above average facilitator AND shot creator in that entire lineup. It'd be a defensive juggernaut, but they're going to have a tough, tough time scoring.
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SNES
Avery
Lebron
Ibaka
Jordan
With Baby subbing in for Jordan if needed, and Monta as a 6th. That's pretty much game over, right?
Lebron would be the only above average facilitator AND shot creator in that entire lineup. It'd be a defensive juggernaut, but they're going to have a tough, tough time scoring.
I'm not seeing it as vastly different from today's Heat in terms of facilitating.
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SNES
Avery
Lebron
Ibaka
Jordan
With Baby subbing in for Jordan if needed, and Monta as a 6th. That's pretty much game over, right?
Lebron would be the only above average facilitator AND shot creator in that entire lineup. It'd be a defensive juggernaut, but they're going to have a tough, tough time scoring.
I'm not seeing it as vastly different from today's Heat in terms of facilitating.
Wade
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SNES
Avery
Lebron
Ibaka
Jordan
With Baby subbing in for Jordan if needed, and Monta as a 6th. That's pretty much game over, right?
Lebron would be the only above average facilitator AND shot creator in that entire lineup. It'd be a defensive juggernaut, but they're going to have a tough, tough time scoring.
I'm not seeing it as vastly different from today's Heat in terms of facilitating.
Then you're ignoring Wade's 5 assists per game.
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SNES
Avery
Lebron
Ibaka
Jordan
With Baby subbing in for Jordan if needed, and Monta as a 6th. That's pretty much game over, right?
Lebron would be the only above average facilitator AND shot creator in that entire lineup. It'd be a defensive juggernaut, but they're going to have a tough, tough time scoring.
I'm not seeing it as vastly different from today's Heat in terms of facilitating.
Wade
Which is why I think having Ellis in the starting lineup is the way to go. He can do some of Wade's work.
But just like Wade, Ellis creates spacing issues. you need shooting at the other positions.
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Looking at Minnesota's lineup more than ever I think back to the Jordan selection. Nene struck me (after the fact when champkind took him) as being such a great fit for that draft pick.
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They could play Farmar instead of Chalmers. Out of the Chalmers, A.Bradley and Farmar trio = Farmar is their best dribble drive threat, scorer and playmaker. Good outside shooter.
G: Farmar
G: A.Bradley
F: LeBron
F: Ibaka
C: D.Joran
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Since I'll be on vacation during voting, I might not be able to access the internet enough to talk about my team as much as I'd like, and I know my co-GM is also quite busy. SO PLEASE, feel free to really look at this team in-depth and comment about it.
Jose Calderon | Jose Juan Barea | Michael Carter-Williams
Wesley Matthews | Carlos Delfino | Jeremy Lamb
Luc Mbah a Moute | Quincy Pondexter
Dirk Nowitzki | Ed Davis | Kelly Olynyk
Marc Gasol | Jermaine O'Neal
The Jose's and their defense has been beaten to death already, so that doesn't need to be pointed out. It's actually not that big of a deal IMO and I'll address why in our presser.
The SF rotation is still up in the air but it'll boil down to matchups. LRMAM against taller SFs and the elite players, with QP deployed against the rest of the field. I will point out that I feel like there's enough offensive weapons and floor spacers on the team already that LRMAM's offensive liabilities really won't sink us on that end of the floor.
Those two have pretty much been the only two critiques about our team so far, so I'd like to hear more; if our team is seriously so good that there aren't any problems with the team, please let us know that ;D Personally, I think the biggest challenge this team will face is its lack of marketability; none of these players compete in big markets and none of them have flashy play styles. We're going to play smart, efficient basketball on both ends of the court, but that generally doesn't garner a lot of attention (see: real life San Antonio Spurs).
Thanks y'all!
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So if you start Monta Ellis, do you start Bradley or go with Chalmers/Farmar?
G:
G: Monta Ellis
F: LeBron James
F: Serge Ibaka
C: DeAndre Jordan
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So if you start Monta Ellis, do you start Bradley or go with Chalmers/Farmar?
G:
G: Monta Ellis
F: LeBron James
F: Serge Ibaka
C: DeAndre Jordan
I'd start Chalmers.
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Involved in trade talks but I'll throw it up there to the hounds to pick at.
Rondo/Hinrich/Udrih
Martin/Garcia
Williams/Harkless/Evans
Sanders/Bargs
Lopez/Frye/Victor Fav
Positives: Like my team. Like my depth. Love my Sanders/Lopez combo downlow I think its deadly.
Offense: I like Lopez, Martin and Bargs to put up point with open looks from Rondo and their floor spreading ability. Williams can create his own offense and will get his points. Bargs, Martin, Garcia, Hinrich Frye and Udrih can all hit the long ball.
Defense: Again, love what Sanders Lopez brings. Rondo, Hinrich, Garcia are all great wing defenders. Harkless is an underrated defender with good size.
Cons/Improvements: Need an upgrade at the three slot possibly. Im comfortable with Williams and Harkless but may need a more true three than Williams there.
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So if you start Monta Ellis, do you start Bradley or go with Chalmers/Farmar?
G:
G: Monta Ellis
F: LeBron James
F: Serge Ibaka
C: DeAndre Jordan
I'd start Chalmers.
Yeah, I think I trust that lineup more with Chalmers outside shooting there than with Bradley's superior defense.
And I like having Farmar as backup PG alongside Bradley because he is their most creative offensive guard of that trio. Best guy to take up some of the slack while one of or both LeBron/Monta rests.
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So if you start Monta Ellis, do you start Bradley or go with Chalmers/Farmar?
G:
G: Monta Ellis
F: LeBron James
F: Serge Ibaka
C: DeAndre Jordan
I'd start Chalmers.
Yeah, I think I trust that lineup more with Chalmers outside shooting there than with Bradley's superior defense.
And I like having Farmar as backup PG alongside Bradley because he is their most creative offensive guard of that trio. Best guy to take up some of the slack while one of or both LeBron/Monta rests.
I certainly not enamored with the Chalmers/Ellis backcourt. I think it will have some limitations and issues but, of the remaining options, I think its the best one on the table.
You need to start Ellis and I think you'd be better inclined to have the defensive specialist in Bradley coming off the bench with Chalmers starting than vice versa.
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So if you start Monta Ellis, do you start Bradley or go with Chalmers/Farmar?
G:
G: Monta Ellis
F: LeBron James
F: Serge Ibaka
C: DeAndre Jordan
I'd start Chalmers.
Yeah, I think I trust that lineup more with Chalmers outside shooting there than with Bradley's superior defense.
And I like having Farmar as backup PG alongside Bradley because he is their most creative offensive guard of that trio. Best guy to take up some of the slack while one of or both LeBron/Monta rests.
I certainly not enamored with the Chalmers/Ellis backcourt. I think it will have some limitations and issues but, of the remaining options, I think its the best one on the table.
You need to start Ellis and I think you'd be better inclined to have the defensive specialist in Bradley coming off the bench with Chalmers starting than vice versa.
I would start Chalmers and Bradley and bring Ellis in off the bench as an offensive weapon against second teamers and to have the designated role of scoring sixth man. He would still get his 33-35 MPG just in a different role and capacity.
I would start Bradley/Chalmers/Battier/Lebron/Ibaka then have Ellis come in for one of the guards and Davis in for Battier moving Lebron over to the 3. Next would be Jordan to spell Ibaka. Then around the quarter break get Bron and the other guard a blow by bringing Battier and the starting guard back. Then Lebron and Ibaka come back in for Jordan and Davis and finally Elis sits while the starters finish the quarter. Rinse and repeat in the second half. If a blowout occurs or foul trouble happens, get the deeper bench involved.
I think getting that small ball lineup in there with Lebron at the 4 is key. Its a monster defensive unit that is tremendously athletic and can run wild off blocks and turnovers.
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I appreciate everyone's takes on my Timberwolves squad. There are a lot of good, unique ideas on how to assemble the lineup. I think the only one who has mentioned the versatility of this team is Nick. The fact that I have so many options speaks to the types of players I acquired. I have the ability to arrange my team to matchup against the opponent. If they go big, I have bigs. If they go small, I have guards.
Three other observations...
1) Monta is not getting nearly enough respect.
2) I stand by the DeAndre Jordan selection
3) This team has plenty of scoring (I'm talking to you Roy). You don't need 120 points to win. You need a good defense!
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3) This team has plenty of scoring (I'm talking to you Roy). You don't need 120 points to win. You need a good defense!
It depends upon what lineup you're putting out there.
If you're starting Jordan, Bradley, and Chalmers, then no, you don't have enough scoring. Monta isn't perfect (he's pretty inefficient at this point of his career), but he's a better scorer than anybody else you have.
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LeBron - 26
Ibaka - 14
Jordan - 10
Ellis - 18
Bradley - 8
Battier - 6
Davis - 6
Korver - 10
Chalmers - 6
Miles - 2
Crowder - 2
Farmar - 2
Stiemsma - 2
Is that not reasonable? That's 112 points!
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3) This team has plenty of scoring (I'm talking to you Roy). You don't need 120 points to win. You need a good defense!
It depends upon what lineup you're putting out there.
If you're starting Jordan, Bradley, and Chalmers, then no, you don't have enough scoring. Monta isn't perfect (he's pretty inefficient at this point of his career), but he's a better scorer than anybody else you have.
He's inefficient at being a teams number one scorer with nothing around him. He is purely second fiddle on this team and will get to the rim with teams respecting Ibaka's baseline jumper and LeBron's presence on the floor. I would bet if he played on this team in real life he would shoot 45%.
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LeBron - 26
Ibaka - 14
Jordan - 10
Ellis - 18
Bradley - 8
Battier - 6
Davis - 6
Korver - 10
Chalmers - 6
Miles - 2
Crowder - 2
Farmar - 2
Stiemsma - 2
Is that not reasonable? That's 112 points!
Haha. I'm pretty sure every team in the league could do that. Just throw up random numbers with no context, and say the team will score 120 points.
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Wow what a hater. Guess you are right. My team will be lucky to break 80 points because they are so inept. I only have the best player in the world surrounded by guys who play defense or shoot threes. What a terrible strategy. I should have gotten the top-2 players in the world and surrounded them with defense and threes.
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Wow what a hater. Guess you are right. My team will be lucky to break 80 points because they are so inept. I only have the best player in the world surrounded by guys who play defense or shoot threes. What a terrible strategy. I should have gotten the top-2 players in the world and surrounded them with defense and threes.
I mean, Monta shoots threes, he just doesn't make them.
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Kobe - 120
What's their faces - Some rebounds and passes. Maybe defense. Whatevs. Just don't get between Kobe and the basket. Or the camera.
I've checked the math and this equals 120 ppg. Checkmate!
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LeBron - 26
Ibaka - 14
Jordan - 10
Ellis - 18
Bradley - 8
Battier - 6
Davis - 6
Korver - 10
Chalmers - 6
Miles - 2
Crowder - 2
Farmar - 2
Stiemsma - 2
Is that not reasonable? That's 112 points!
That's actually 257 total minutes if you wanna fit all those guys into one game, based on each of their per-minute scoring averages from 2013.
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Rubio/billups/daniels
Afflalo/Pietrus/Daniels
Green/Novak/Daniels/Pietrus
Griffin/Hill/Gooden
Vucevic/Leonard/Turiaf
Actually a nice team despite all the flack we got about the rose trade
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Kudos for actually doing the research. 112*(240/257) = 104.5
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Wow what a hater. Guess you are right. My team will be lucky to break 80 points because they are so inept. I only have the best player in the world surrounded by guys who play defense or shoot threes. What a terrible strategy. I should have gotten the top-2 players in the world and surrounded them with defense and threes.
I mean, Monta shoots threes, he just doesn't make them.
That's not his game.
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Rubio/billups/daniels
Afflalo/Pietrus/Daniels
Green/Novak/Daniels/Pietrus
Griffin/Hill/Gooden
Vucevic/Leonard/Turiaf
Actually a nice team despite all the flack we got about the rose trade
It is a solid team but your ceiling went way down after that deal. Hanging onto Rose and flipping Griffin for pieces would probably have you in a much stronger position right now.
Setting that aside, though, this is a nice young team with a good starting 5, but the bench is pretty shaky, especially on the perimeter. You'd need to get a lot of quality minutes out of Rubio, Afflalo, and Green to be able to compete. And Griffin would have to reverse the downward trend of the last couple seasons.
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I might note have a doctrine in hoopology, but lebron with a competent cast is going to score plenty of points. Minnesota will be fine.
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I might note have a doctrine in hoopology, but lebron with a competent cast is going to score plenty of points. Minnesota will be fine.
I think the problem Minnesota's running into is that the Cleveland years already showed that a competent cast around LeBron, with a focus on 3 and D, is no guarantee of anything. And this league is by its nature deeper than the real NBA. That'll be the argument McHale's Pits will have to win to make it through the playoffs.
I think the team is very, very solid, but there are some really tough matchups out West, and it's going to be very hard to pick a side to vote for. Good to get some practice with the bigger criticisms now.
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Cast is much stronger, and significantly deeper than that cavaliers team.
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Cast is much stronger, and significantly deeper than that cavaliers team.
I don't see Donyell Marshall or Sasha Pavlovic's name anywhere, so what you said was dumb and impossible.
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Cast is much stronger, and significantly deeper than that cavaliers team.
I agree, but so are a lot of other contenders. I'm not nearly as (relatively) down on Minny as other folks, I'm just saying that's where the criticisms will come from.
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meh. their defense is just too good.
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Wow what a hater. Guess you are right. My team will be lucky to break 80 points because they are so inept. I only have the best player in the world surrounded by guys who play defense or shoot threes. What a terrible strategy. I should have gotten the top-2 players in the world and surrounded them with defense and threes.
Consider this an official "strike" / warning. Please consult our rules before posting further.
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Kobe - 120
What's their faces - Some rebounds and passes. Maybe defense. Whatevs. Just don't get between Kobe and the basket. Or the camera.
I've checked the math and this equals 120 ppg. Checkmate!
This is why I am happy to be in the Western Conference. My guys would absolutely wilt in the face of this kind of onslaught.
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Kobe - 120
What's their faces - Some rebounds and passes. Maybe defense. Whatevs. Just don't get between Kobe and the basket. Or the camera.
I've checked the math and this equals 120 ppg. Checkmate!
This is why I am happy to be in the Western Conference. My guys would absolutely wilt in the face of this kind of onslaught.
(http://lparchive.org/Barkleys-Shut-Up-And-Jam-Gaiden/Update%2004/1-first4.png)
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Kobe - 120
What's their faces - Some rebounds and passes. Maybe defense. Whatevs. Just don't get between Kobe and the basket. Or the camera.
I've checked the math and this equals 120 ppg. Checkmate!
This is why I am happy to be in the Western Conference. My guys would absolutely wilt in the face of this kind of onslaught.
(http://lparchive.org/Barkleys-Shut-Up-And-Jam-Gaiden/Update%2004/1-first4.png)
Which model Barkley is that? Is that the T-800, or the T-1000?
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So I'm guessing Lakers are too perfect? The Jose's at PG is the only concern I'll have to prep for in my presser? Sounds good guys! We'll see y'all in the Finals ;)
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So I'm guessing Lakers are too perfect? The Jose's at PG is the only concern I'll have to prep for in my presser? Sounds good guys! We'll see y'all in the Finals ;)
(http://i.imgflip.com/3b265.jpg) (http://imgflip.com/i/3b265) (http://imgflip.com/memegenerator)
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I'd have a great meme comeback if I weren't on my phone... :(
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I might note have a doctrine in hoopology, but lebron with a competent cast is going to score plenty of points. Minnesota will be fine.
I think the problem Minnesota's running into is that the Cleveland years already showed that a competent cast around LeBron, with a focus on 3 and D, is no guarantee of anything.
LeBron was younger when he was in Cleveland and didn't have the experience that he has now. He has finally developed that killer instinct because he knows he is the most unstoppable basketball player on the planet.
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I'd have a great meme comeback if I weren't on my phone... :(
Sure you would, Brubeck. Sure you would.
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I might note have a doctrine in hoopology, but lebron with a competent cast is going to score plenty of points. Minnesota will be fine.
I think the problem Minnesota's running into is that the Cleveland years already showed that a competent cast around LeBron, with a focus on 3 and D, is no guarantee of anything.
LeBron was younger when he was in Cleveland and didn't have the experience that he has now. He has finally developed that killer instinct because he knows he is the most unstoppable basketball player on the planet.
Oh come on. Give your team's best player some more respect. Lebron didn't have a killer instinct in Cleveland? What about the Pistons game where he scored the last 20-something points of the Cavs all by himself? That's arguably one of the greatest playoff performances either. Or how about his series against Orlando, which was highlighted by his game-winning three-pointer in Game 2? Cleveland screwed up. Lebron was playing like a maniac, but it's a team sport and his supporting cast simply couldn't make anything happen on offense. I can easily see the same thing happening with this Minnesota team depending on how the rotation shakes out.
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Lebron is decent, but he's no Dirk ;)
In all seriousness since Minnesota seems to be the hot topic (understandably so because if you have Lebron, you're going to have a target on your back), I like what MP has done with this roster. Some could argue he should of traded up and gotten an additional 1st rounder to pair with Lebron but that's easier said than done.
The biggest qualm I have with his roster is when he made the move to trade up and grab Monta Ellis, Kevin Martin was still on the board and I thought he'd be a terrific fit next to Lebron (provided you have solid defenders elsewhere). Lebron is going to be handeling the ball a majority of the time anyways so Martin would be perfect spotting up off Lebron drives and just dropping 3's. if all Kevin Martin has to do is spot up and take poorly contested jumpers, he could drop 30 on you pretty easily.
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It isn't all about scoring...you have to stop the other team from scoring as well. The '08 Celtics weren't a great offensive team and they still succeeded
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08 Celtics had three elite offensive options. They're a completely different sotuation compared to your Wolves.
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08 Celtics had three elite offensive options. They're a completely different sotuation compared to your Wolves.
They were primarily a defensive team.
LeBron ~ Pierce
Ibaka ~ Garnett
Korver ~ Allen
Battier ~ Posey
Fair comparisons, no? Everyone has their roles on my team. You can have a team full of superstars.
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Except Ibaka and Korver are incredibly inferior comparisons...
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The 07-08 Celtics were the 10th best offense in the league at 110.2 ORTG.
They weren't very far from being in the top 5 either as a lot of other teams were clustered at just 111 ORTG.
The 07-08 Celtics were a historic defensive team, but they were really good on offense too.
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08 Celtics had three elite offensive options. They're a completely different sotuation compared to your Wolves.
They were primarily a defensive team.
LeBron ~ Pierce
Ibaka ~ Garnett
Korver ~ Allen
Battier ~ Posey
Fair comparisons, no? Everyone has their roles on my team. You can have a team full of superstars.
I don't think Ibaka fills KG's role in the 07-08 offense at all. We ran a ton of our offense through KG in the post that year, both high and low depending on the matchup.
Outside of Ibaka's game right now.
Ibaka fits what KG did for us offensively this year, as a floor spacer and dunker largely.
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08 Celtics had three elite offensive options. They're a completely different sotuation compared to your Wolves.
They were primarily a defensive team.
LeBron ~ Pierce
Ibaka ~ Garnett
Korver ~ Allen
Battier ~ Posey
Fair comparisons, no? Everyone has their roles on my team. You can have a team full of superstars.
Korver is no where near 07-08 Ray Allen.
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08 Celtics had three elite offensive options. They're a completely different sotuation compared to your Wolves.
They were primarily a defensive team.
LeBron ~ Pierce
Ibaka ~ Garnett
Korver ~ Allen
Battier ~ Posey
Fair comparisons, no? Everyone has their roles on my team. You can have a team full of superstars.
None of those are really fair comparisons, though one is unfair in your favor. And others might expect 2014 Battier to be as good as 2008 Posey (though I don't).
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Bit of advise for new GM McHales Pits, if other GMs are putting your team in the spotlight and critiquing it heavily now, they are doing it for a reason. GMs come at you early in this game for a few reasons:
1. You are over-hyping a bad team and they need to counteract the PR.
2. You're team is one of the best and they have to keep the doubt in your team high to have a chance
3. They want to see what strategies you would use in a head to head match up and want time to prepare for what you will bring.
4. They genuinely do no believe in your team.
I don't think 1. applies. I think 2. definitely applies. 3. could apply. And I think 4. applies with a caveat. I think you might be over compensating for very fair critiques about your team's offensive abilities and so people genuinely are not buying your team as you are portraying it offensively. Play to your strengths and for now just listen to the critiques and find ways to use them to your advantage later.
So let them have their critiques because honestly, with that defense and Lebron you are cruising into the playoffs. Start looking at what teams you think might make the playoffs and start devising game plans, one on one match up stats, and ways to exploit those teams come the debates in the one on one playoffs and hone your knowledge on your players strengths and weaknesses to counter arguments others my have in those match ups.
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Haha thanks Nick.
The smear campaign is on and it is getting messy in Minnesota. I am happy with this team and I know the athleticism and defense of this team is going to cause nightmares for other teams. I don't think I need a team to score 115 a night to win because I'm only going to be allowing 80-85.
My point in bringing up the championship Celtic team was not to compare roles, but actually to say that defensive minded teams can be championship contenders. The real life Golden State Warriors and Houston Rockets score a ton of points, but their defense was their undoing.
My team is built around Lebron's ability to score, facilitate, and defend. Everyone on my team is a plus-defender. I have depth in bigs, wing players, and ball-handlers. I have shooters. Everyone on the team will fill a role. I arbitrarily laid out scoring predictions earlier and it was condemned by Roy, but honestly ask yourself if those are unreasonable scoring predictions for those players. I didn't break it up into per-minute production and expected rotation minutes, but even so I was within 7% of those values. IP said that I had laid out scoring for 257 minutes and of course there are 240 mins available in a game. 240/257 is 93.3%. In summation, I exaggerated my estimation by 7%. I'm sorry for that. You can't tell me that those predictions are unreasonable. I wholeheartedly disagree that my team will struggle on offense.
Korver, James, Battier, Chalmers, & Farmar all shot above 40% on 3s last season. Bradley, Miles, & Ellis are capable as well. Ibaka, Davis, & Steamer (to a lesser extent) can hit a mid-range jumper. Jordan is there for high percentage alley-oops and put backs. James, Ellis, & Farmar can all create their own shot or facilitate for others. I just see too much versatility offensively with my squad to be shut down. Even my bench will be able to contribute offensively against opposing team's benches. And to boot, the heavy defense will create high percentage fast break opportunities for us as well.
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And to those who say Ellis won't be able to score because the floor will be crowded need to think again. Ellis is at his best driving to the hoop so naturally he will need to be given opportunities with shooters on the floor with him so that the seams are wide open for him. Chalmers, Ellis, Korver, James, and Ibaka would suit him nicely. He is also an underrated passer that could hit any of these guys for a shot if the defense collapses on him.
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Why does that irritate/annoy you?
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McHP, a bit of advice. Don't come across so confrontational. The same people who you are berating are those who will likely be voting. It shouldn't matter, but being nice could potentially help.
Lord knows I'm likely guilty of a bit of this myself, at times. I try not to, but sometimes I just worked up. It's counter-productive. And besides, like Nick said, save your "big guns" for the more important battles. No need to provide the opposition with a game plan on how to take you down.
Also, check PM's please.
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McHP, a bit of advice. Don't come across so confrontational. The same people who you are berating are those who will likely be voting. It shouldn't matter, but being nice could potentially help.
Lord knows I'm likely guilty of a bit of this myself, at times. I try not to, but sometimes I just worked up. It's counter-productive. And besides, like Nick said, save your "big guns" for the more important battles. No need to provide the opposition with a game plan on how to take you down.
Also, check PM's please.
I apologize to anyone who finds me to be coming off as confrontational. I am just attempting to provide counterpoints to those who were negatively critiquing my team.
Obviously, this is all in the spirit of good fun and competition - so again - I apologize.
I know I should be saving my gameplan/strategy/team thoughts for later, but it is just so tempting to respond. I can't let other posters lead bandwagons saying that my team isn't good enough without response or else people might actually start to believe it.
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McHP, a bit of advice. Don't come across so confrontational. The same people who you are berating are those who will likely be voting. It shouldn't matter, but being nice could potentially help.
Lord knows I'm likely guilty of a bit of this myself, at times. I try not to, but sometimes I just worked up. It's counter-productive. And besides, like Nick said, save your "big guns" for the more important battles. No need to provide the opposition with a game plan on how to take you down.
Also, check PM's please.
I apologize to anyone who finds me to be coming off as confrontational. I am just attempting to provide counterpoints to those who were negatively critiquing my team.
Obviously, this is all in the spirit of good fun and competition - so again - I apologize.
I know I should be saving my gameplan/strategy/team thoughts for later, but it is just so tempting to respond. I can't let other posters lead bandwagons saying that my team isn't good enough without response or else people might actually start to believe it.
There is a long holiday weekend coming up. Most of what is said no will be forgotten by Tuesday. The pressers will start to get peoples opinions settled for good before voting next Friday.
Sometimes over reacting in this game is counterproductive. I should know. Believe me, I should know.
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seems like the guys just defending his team. posts dont read as abrasive to me.
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seems like the guys just defending his team. posts dont read as abrasive to me.
I don't read the hostility either
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Sometimes over reacting in this game is counterproductive. I should know. Believe me, I should know.
This cracked me up bc it's so true. I fell victim to this a couple times my first two years. This year? I've tuned things out and it's been a lot more fun.
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One thing I want to point out about saying "My guys will average these amount of points per year and when you add then up they will score this many PPG as a team." When you add up the Celtics players PPG from last year it adds up to 135 PPG but they only averaged 96.8 PPG.
Just something to think about
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One thing I want to point out about saying "My guys will average these amount of points per year and when you add then up they will score this many PPG as a team." When you add up the Celtics players PPG from last year it adds up to 135 PPG but they only averaged 96.8 PPG.
Just something to think about
Good point. Time for my real research to begin. Good luck everybody.
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Only problem I have with McHP's team is that Chalmers is not starting, I mean either go with Chalmers and Ellis and have Bradley come off the bench or go with Chalmers and Bradley and have Ellis come off the bench as a supersub.
(Of course just my opinion though when it comes to voting you might want Bradley starting as a lot of people make him seem like the greatest thing ever.)
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One thing I want to point out about saying "My guys will average these amount of points per year and when you add then up they will score this many PPG as a team." When you add up the Celtics players PPG from last year it adds up to 135 PPG but they only averaged 96.8 PPG.
Just something to think about
I agree with this, but I think we all know the reason why the C's had so much points some has to do with we had 19 players who scored 1 or more point for the C's last year though alot of them didn't play more than 40 games for the Cs and also injuries (Rondo and Bradley) and trades (Crawford) play a huge part.
Of course though like how I said I agree with you as a player scoring 15ppg in real life might not score the same on your team as it comes down to many things like fit, role, etc.
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So, apparently working and doing more work at home (general cleaning) has prevented me from missing the fun that is CB Draft today.
So, Minny is on the hot seat eh, that's very interesting.
Honestly I think on paper it's a very good team. I'm just concerned that Monta would stagnate the offense with his style of play. He's very inefficient and he mostly will go for a shot when he gets the ball. I'm not sure if he's also good off the ball in a sense that he knows where to get to the right positions and get a good clean look. And that might slow this team down, offensively. I think to beat this team, you gotta make sure Monta gets the ball and shoot his team out.
Defense is of course top notch.
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Rondo/Jackson
Derozan/Williams
Rush/harkless/green
Aldridge/bargs/green/udoh
Hibbert/bargs/udoh/ezeli
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Rondo/Jackson
Derozan/Williams
Rush/harkless/green
Aldridge/bargs/green/udoh
Hibbert/bargs/udoh/ezeli
Is that everyone on your team?
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Rondo/Jackson
Derozan/Williams
Rush/harkless/green
Aldridge/bargs/green/udoh
Hibbert/bargs/udoh/ezeli
I really like your "big three", but don't like a whole lot else about your team. I think DeRozan is a bad fit in the back court next to Rondo, and I don't think that Brandon Rush is a starting-caliber SF. I think your bench is largely weak. Lou Williams is a good fit, but Reggie Jackson is the only player who has the potential to be even above-average.
I know that's a harsh assessment, but I think you made a mistake with your trade. You had a real strength, in that you had four very good front court players, and now you've only got two. Your biggest strength is now pretty average (or even a bit below average), and your biggest weakness (your back court) hasn't improved that much when you consider that DeRozan will play worse next to Rondo than he would have Felton.
In short, I think you went from having the most talented team in the league (with the pieces not fitting together well) to a significantly less talented team, with the pieces still not fitting well.
The good news is, there's still time to improve. Rondo is certainly a very nice building block, and the Hibbert / Aldridge pairing should work well. That three man core is better than most other trios in the league.
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Rondo/Jackson
Derozan/Williams
Rush/harkless/green
Aldridge/bargs/green/udoh
Hibbert/bargs/udoh/ezeli
I really like your "big three", but don't like a whole lot else about your team. I think DeRozan is a bad fit in the back court next to Rondo, and I don't think that Brandon Rush is a starting-caliber SF. I think your bench is largely weak, with Reggie Jackson the only player who has the potential to be even above-average.
I know that's a harsh assessment, but I think you made a mistake with your trade. You had a real strength, in that you had four very good front court players, and now you've only got two. Your biggest strength is now pretty average (or even a bit below average), and your biggest weakness (your back court) hasn't improved that much when you consider that DeRozan will play worse next to Rondo than he would have Felton.
In short, I think you went from having the most talented team in the league (with the pieces not fitting together well) to a significantly less talented team, with the pieces still not fitting well.
The good news is, there's still time to improve. Rondo is certainly a very nice building block, and the Hibbert / Aldridge pairing should work well. That three man core is better than most other trios in the league.
Derozans best strength offensively is slashing and cutting like Bradley. Rondo thrives with those and he finally gets to play with an above the rim wing. Rush is a good three and d guy. Lou Williams just one sixth man of the year... And bargs can play off both Roy and la.
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Dallas Mavericks, coached by Kevin McHale
PG: Tony Parker, DJ Augustine, Terrence Williams
SG: Eric Gordon, Brandon Knight, Reggie Bullock
SF: AK47, Jonas Jerebko, Reggie Bullock, Terrence Williams
PF: Big Al,Tyler Hansborough, AK47, Jason Smith
C: Enes Kanter, Chris Kaman, Jason Smith
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My team can score on your team. Discuss.
Point 1: Tiago Splitter and Pau Gasol form a lethal pick and roll platform for Kyrie Irving to carve you up at will.
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Got a lot of chatter in the other thread but I figured Id throw it here. Very happy with my squad...Always looking to improve however.
Rubio/Hinrich/Udrih
Martin/Garcia
Green/Williams/Evans
Sanders/ZBo
Lopez/Frye/Faverani
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My team can score on your team. Discuss.
Point 1: Tiago Splitter and Pau Gasol form a lethal pick and roll platform for Kyrie Irving to carve you up at will.
Excuse me, sir, but you seem to have dropped this glove back there. I'd like to return it to you.
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My team can score on your team. Discuss.
Point 1: Tiago Splitter and Pau Gasol form a lethal pick and roll platform for Kyrie Irving to carve you up at will.
Excuse me, sir, but you seem to have dropped this glove back there. I'd like to return it to you.
Point of clarification: My team can score on anyone's but Lucky's at will.
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In all seriousness. What's up with the derozan hate? Guy was 17th in the NBA in scoring. He was .1 ppg less then Rudy gay and shoots a better fg %.
He averaged more points then Blake griffin, Paul George, cp3, Dwight Howard, joe Johnson and Chris bosh. He did that without playing next to an all star. He's now playing with rajon rondo and playing off Aldridge...
I don't get the hate on a kid who is only 24 and a 6'7" athletic scorer. Rondo will do wonders with him. I just don't get it... Is it bc he's not good at threes? Bc he can score every other way.
I mean he's a top 20 scorer playing with Rudy gay and Kyle Lowry as his best teammates.
Link to top scorers:
http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/scoring-per-game/sort/avgPoints/year/2013/seasontype/2
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Alright I saw someone rank the clippers 13 in the west. Think this could very well be a playoff team.
Felton/Billups
Afflalo/Pietrus/Daniels
Gay/Novak/Daniels
Griffin/Hill/Gooden
Vucevic/Leonard/Turiaf
You have enough scoring, athletes, rebounding, and defense to win at least 40 games.
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Alright I saw someone rank the clippers 13 in the west. Think this could very well be a playoff team.
Felton/Billups
Afflalo/Pietrus/Daniels
Gay/Novak/Daniels
Griffin/Hill/Gooden
Vucevic/Leonard/Turiaf
You have enough scoring, athletes, rebounding, and defense to win at least 40 games.
Lots of athleticism but Felton isn't a guy who pushes pace like Nash, cp3, or Rubio to max it out. Also very little spacing which I think is something your team will really struggle with.
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Kyrie Irving/Isaiah Thomas/Patric Beverley
Gordon Hayward/Evan Fournier/Kent Bazemore
Danillo Gallinari/Corey Brewer
Pau Gasol/Darrell Arthur/Terrance Jones
Jonas Valancinunas/Pero Antic
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Kyrie Irving/Isaiah Thomas/Patric Beverley
Gordon Hayward/Evan Fournier/Kent Bazemore
Danillo Gallinari/Corey Brewer
Pau Gasol/Darrell Arthur/Terrance Jones
Jonas Valancinunas/Pero Antic
Interesting fact: Pau Gasol has as much NBA experience as the rest of the starting lineup combined.
The remainder of the roster: Corey Brewer stars in the role of elder statesman.
I think the team could use some veteran experience and grit. Especially considering the burdens that the youngsters will be asked to shoulder while Gallo is on the mend.
The long-term prospects of the roster shine brighter than the short-term.
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Kevin McHale
PG: Steve Nash, Brandon Knight, Terrence Williams
SG: Eric Gordon, Gary Neal, Reggie Bullock
SF: AK47, Jonas Jerebko, Reggie Bullock, Terrence Williams
PF: Josh Smith,Tyler Hansborough, Jason Smith
C: Big Al, Enes Kanter, Chris Kaman,
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Kevin McHale
PG: Steve Nash, Brandon Knight, Terrence Williams
SG: Eric Gordon, Gary Neal, Reggie Bullock
SF: AK47, Jonas Jerebko, Reggie Bullock, Terrence Williams
PF: Josh Smith,Tyler Hansborough, Jason Smith
C: Big Al, Enes Kanter, Chris Kaman,
I like the starting five, even if they won't qualify for the All-Defensive team.
Deep frontcourt: Kaman as the 3rd string center is a real luxury.
I think my only misgiving is seeing Terrence Williams on the roster instead of a veteran pure PG as insurance against a Nash injury.
Solid roster. Nice job.
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Kyrie Irving/Isaiah Thomas/Patric Beverley
Gordon Hayward/Evan Fournier/Kent Bazemore
Danillo Gallinari/Corey Brewer
Pau Gasol/Darrell Arthur/Terrance Jones
Jonas Valancinunas/Pero Antic
Interesting fact: Pau Gasol has as much NBA experience as the rest of the starting lineup combined.
The remainder of the roster: Corey Brewer stars in the role of elder statesman.
I think the team could use some veteran experience and grit. Especially considering the burdens that the youngsters will be asked to shoulder while Gallo is on the mend.
The long-term prospects of the roster shine brighter than the short-term.
Thank you pour les feedback, Lucky.
But you are behind the times, sir. And like the way of MySpace and Friendster, your criticisms will amount to so many AIM chats by frustrated teenagers on slow dial up connections their mothers keep interrupting by demanding to call their Aunt Selma.
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Kevin McHale
PG: Steve Nash, Brandon Knight, Terrence Williams
SG: Eric Gordon, Gary Neal, Reggie Bullock
SF: AK47, Jonas Jerebko, Reggie Bullock, Terrence Williams
PF: Josh Smith,Tyler Hansborough, Jason Smith
C: Big Al, Enes Kanter, Chris Kaman,
I like the starting five, even if they won't qualify for the All-Defensive team.
Deep frontcourt: Kaman as the 3rd string center is a real luxury.
I think my only misgiving is seeing Terrence Williams on the roster instead of a veteran pure PG as insurance against a Nash injury.
Solid roster. Nice job.
Thanks for the feedback man
TP
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Kyrie Irving/Isaiah Thomas/Patric Beverley
Gordon Hayward/Evan Fournier/Kent Bazemore
Danillo Gallinari/Corey Brewer
Pau Gasol/Darrell Arthur/Terrance Jones
Jonas Valancinunas/Pero Antic
Interesting fact: Pau Gasol has as much NBA experience as the rest of the starting lineup combined.
The remainder of the roster: Corey Brewer stars in the role of elder statesman.
I think the team could use some veteran experience and grit. Especially considering the burdens that the youngsters will be asked to shoulder while Gallo is on the mend.
The long-term prospects of the roster shine brighter than the short-term.
Thank you pour les feedback, Lucky.
But you are behind the times, sir. And like the way of MySpace and Friendster, your criticisms will amount to so many AIM chats by frustrated teenagers on slow dial up connections their mothers keep interrupting by demanding to call their Aunt Selma.
Dude. You're old.
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Kyrie Irving/Isaiah Thomas/Patric Beverley
Gordon Hayward/Evan Fournier/Kent Bazemore
Danillo Gallinari/Corey Brewer
Pau Gasol/Darrell Arthur/Terrance Jones
Jonas Valancinunas/Pero Antic
Interesting fact: Pau Gasol has as much NBA experience as the rest of the starting lineup combined.
The remainder of the roster: Corey Brewer stars in the role of elder statesman.
I think the team could use some veteran experience and grit. Especially considering the burdens that the youngsters will be asked to shoulder while Gallo is on the mend.
The long-term prospects of the roster shine brighter than the short-term.
Thank you pour les feedback, Lucky.
But you are behind the times, sir. And like the way of MySpace and Friendster, your criticisms will amount to so many AIM chats by frustrated teenagers on slow dial up connections their mothers keep interrupting by demanding to call their Aunt Selma.
Dude. You're old.
I am so old, when dubstep came along, I listened to it, and thought, 'Nah..' And just waited for it to pass. I still don't really understand what it was.
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Kyrie Irving/Isaiah Thomas/Patric Beverley
Gordon Hayward/Evan Fournier/Kent Bazemore
Danillo Gallinari/Corey Brewer
Pau Gasol/Darrell Arthur/Terrance Jones
Jonas Valancinunas/Pero Antic
Interesting fact: Pau Gasol has as much NBA experience as the rest of the starting lineup combined.
The remainder of the roster: Corey Brewer stars in the role of elder statesman.
I think the team could use some veteran experience and grit. Especially considering the burdens that the youngsters will be asked to shoulder while Gallo is on the mend.
The long-term prospects of the roster shine brighter than the short-term.
Thank you pour les feedback, Lucky.
But you are behind the times, sir. And like the way of MySpace and Friendster, your criticisms will amount to so many AIM chats by frustrated teenagers on slow dial up connections their mothers keep interrupting by demanding to call their Aunt Selma.
Dude. You're old.
I am so old, when dubstep came along, I listened to it, and thought, 'Nah..' And just waited for it to pass. I still don't really understand what it was.
Agree with lucky. It's a playoff team if healthy. However kyrie has never played a full season and pau and gallo are coming off injury. Fortunately the east sucks. Outside of durant the best player in the east is Irving. If healthy you're a playoff team. But not a contender. Too much youth and inexperience. If you had Marc instead of pau you'd be up there for TOTF.
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What do people think of the new Dallas Mavs?
coached by Kevin McHale
PG: Steve Nash, Brandon Knight, Terrence Williams
SG: Eric Gordon, Gary Neal, Reggie Bullock
SF: Luol Deng, Jonas Jerebko, Reggie Bullock, Terrence Williams
PF: Josh Smith,Tyler Hansborough, Jason Smith
C: Big Al, Chris Kaman, Byron Mullens
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What do people think of the new Dallas Mavs?
coached by Kevin McHale
PG: Steve Nash, Brandon Knight, Terrence Williams
SG: Eric Gordon, Gary Neal, Reggie Bullock
SF: Luol Deng, Jonas Jerebko, Reggie Bullock, Terrence Williams
PF: Josh Smith,Tyler Hansborough, Jason Smith
C: Big Al, Chris Kaman, Byron Mullens
I like Luol Deng alongside Josh Smith. I think they complement one another better than Kirilenko and J-Smoove did. I also think they work well with Big Al at center. Provide needed toughness, defense and rebounding.
I think Reggie Bullock should move ahead of Jonas Jerebko on the depth chart at backup SF because of his superior jump-shooting ability.
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What do people think of the new Dallas Mavs?
coached by Kevin McHale
PG: Steve Nash, Brandon Knight, Terrence Williams
SG: Eric Gordon, Gary Neal, Reggie Bullock
SF: Luol Deng, Jonas Jerebko, Reggie Bullock, Terrence Williams
PF: Josh Smith,Tyler Hansborough, Jason Smith
C: Big Al, Chris Kaman, Byron Mullens
I like Luol Deng alongside Josh Smith. I think they complement one another better than Kirilenko and J-Smoove did. I also think they work well with Big Al at center. Provide needed toughness, defense and rebounding.
I think Reggie Bullock should move ahead of Jonas Jerebko on the depth chart at backup SF because of his superior jump-shooting ability.
I probably will make that change
I am a big Bullock fan
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Direct comment to draft thread or pressers when they are open. Locked
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So... Greg Monroe doesnt look like he has problems with spacing at all, with a non perimeter player in Drummond playing alongside him.
So much for clogging the lanes...
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So... Greg Monroe doesnt look like he has problems with spacing at all, with a non perimeter player in Drummond playing alongside him.
So much for clogging the lanes...
You may have set a record for fastest revisit to a "How's My CB Draft Team Look?" thread Yoki. TP. LOL
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Guys. GUYS! Lance Stephenson is playing better than Gordon Hayward. Just call me Timothy Olyphant, because I'm Justified.
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Well those who were worrying about Steve Nash having gotten too old seem to be right on the money. Darn it.
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FWIW Robin Lopez having a very solid season. Efficient and rebounding the ball very well.
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So what about the people saying how Dirk was too old to carry a team anymore?
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So what about the people saying how Dirk was too old to carry a team anymore?
They would have been wrong.