I hope YOU never forget this draft as a Celtics fan

[wdleehi]

A case can be made for exactly the opposite of you just said.

Make it

Danny Ainge has:

Obtained a first round choice for a coach that wanted to leave, and replaced him with probably the most appealing young coach in the league

Assembled a very young roster that won 48 games and that should improve next year even with no moves

Positioned the team with the most favorable contract situation in the league by far

In a league with insane inflation everywhere except with home grown rookies, obtained far and away the largest cache of first round draft choices in the league. This includes 3 consecutive Nets picks just as that franchise  is undergoing a complete collapse and is the clear favorite for last place in the league.

Gotten us meetings with the league's free agent elite for the first time in decades

_______

It is fair to say that he now has to close the deal and organize what he has into a contender, but his performance in the last 3 years has been spectacular.

It's a good set up but times running out.

For what?  Making those two future Nets picks? 

[RockinRyA]

Do we ever forget a draft around here? 


Meanwhile, I will continue to believe that the Celtics front office still know a lot more about the prospects and what constitutes a good trade then impatient fans.

Appeal to authority fallacy here is strong

Trusting the group that has created a title over impatient fans is always the better gamble.

If I have Garnett, Paul, and Ray...I'll would've created a title as well.  Hell, I would've created two because I wouldn't have traded Perkins.

Difference is this group put that team together.  And it wasn't in year one. 


So, trust the group that did that vs. the impatient fan. 


Kind of an easy choice ..

I trust people who are paid to do this j9b than some wannabe GM like clench

[__ramonezy__]

If Noel and Okafor were such great players, why did Hinkie get fired and the 76ers lose 50+ games? Most teams don't have a single franchise player, and you are presenting Noel and Okafor both as top flight candidates... which is laughable.

I've only been on this board for a year, but the one thing I realize is that we take our own talent for granted and overprice every other team's trash.

Go check the Milwaukee Bucks for bad fit big men stories... they're trying to ship out their shiny free agent center signing that doesn't play defense... sounds familiar?

[hwangjini_1]

Celtic fans are whiny little bit......

more than a little evidently. 

[BitterJim]

Are you really trying to make an "I told you so" thread about the draft before we see any of the guys we picked play a game?  Christ, we haven't even seen Summer League yet

We've seen many summer leagues with the supposed "next big thing" to make an accurate prediction.  Don't get your hopes up.

Not really sure what this has to do with my post, but w/e

Anyone that takes Summer League as a predictor for how a player will do in the NBA is basing too much off a couple of games.  Anyone who calls someone a bust based on just their rookie season is getting ahead of themselves as well.  But at least people like that have enough patience to see the picks play before they call them busts

You brought up summer league and I responded accordingly

No, you saw the word "summer league" in my post and decided that I was saying summer league was some great predictor of talent, despite the fact that "we haven't even" is generally used as a dismissal

What is the point of the hierarchical picks if teams aren't predicting how good or great these players are going to be? 

Of course team make decisions based on college play.  That's... pretty obvious.  But calling Brown a bad pick right now is getting way too ahead of yourself

By your "logic" Sixers wouldn't have picked Simmons at number 1 if they didn't predict how great he will do in the league BASED ON SOLID EVIDENCE OF HOW HE DID IN COLLEGE.

I don't know what you're trying to say here, but removing the double negative gives:

By your "logic" Sixers would have picked Simmons at number 1 if they did predict how great he will do in the league BASED ON SOLID EVIDENCE OF HOW HE DID IN COLLEGE.

So I'm just confused.  Of course they based their decision off of his college performance and how he projects as a player.  The difference is that I'm not penciling him into the HOF before he even plays a game (note: saying that he hasn't even played a game is not the same as saying that one game is a good predictor), just like I'm not penciling in Brown as a bad pick.  Both would be getting way too ahead of ourselves

[DarkAzcura]

A case can be made for exactly the opposite of you just said.

Make it

Danny Ainge has:

Obtained a first round choice for a coach that wanted to leave, and replaced him with probably the most appealing young coach in the league

Assembled a very young roster that won 48 games and that should improve next year even with no moves

Positioned the team with the most favorable contract situation in the league by far

In a league with insane inflation everywhere except with home grown rookies, obtained far and away the largest cache of first round draft choices in the league. This includes 3 consecutive Nets picks just as that franchise  is undergoing a complete collapse and is the clear favorite for last place in the league.

Gotten us meetings with the league's free agent elite for the first time in decades

_______

It is fair to say that he now has to close the deal and organize what he has into a contender, but his performance in the last 3 years has been spectacular.

It's a good set up but times running out.

I think some Celtic fans are letting their impatience from other sports' leagues seep into the NBA. This isn't baseball or football. You can't rebuild a team overnight. You can't go out and sign a ton of players with no regard to the salary cap (baseball). You can't cut your players and start fresh and have a contending team within two-three years (football). This is basketball. Soft hard caps, guaranteed contracts, restricted free agency, and a league built on a handful of superstars. It takes years to rebuild, and the only thing you can hope to do is maintain flexibility until the next star becomes available while continuing to go through the process. Luckily we have the BKN picks to work with in case trades and free agency do not work in our favor.

It's only been three years since this rebuild has started, and the Celtics have gone from 25 wins to 40 to 48, while netting meetings with three of the top free agents available on the market this summer. Not only do they have a top 7 team in the league getting attention from major free agents, they also have top lottery picks to work with from BKN. It's almost a dream position for any rebuilding team (except a team like Minny currently). That is a really good turnaround starting from essentially the ground up.

Times running out? This thing has only just begun, sorry to say. This is the NBA. This is how things work in this league.

[BitterJim]

This year's draft will absolutely effect the team for a long time. However, the idea that you can already judge a draft class before any of them even practice with the team is ridiculous.

Come on, just because you didn't like who the C's drafted doesn't mean that it's going to be a disaster for the franchise. You sound like a Knick's fan who booed Porzingis draft night only to look like a fool almost immediately.

Watch out, you may get an Allen Iverson-type response to this claiming that you think success in practice means success of the court

Are you really trying to make an "I told you so" thread about the draft before we see any of the guys we picked play a game?  Christ, we haven't even seen Summer League yet

We've seen many summer leagues with the supposed "next big thing" to make an accurate prediction.  Don't get your hopes up.

Not really sure what this has to do with my post, but w/e

Anyone that takes Summer League as a predictor for how a player will do in the NBA is basing too much off a couple of games.  Anyone who calls someone a bust based on just their rookie season is getting ahead of themselves as well.  But at least people like that have enough patience to see the picks play before they call them busts

You brought up summer league and I responded accordingly

What is the point of the hierarchical picks if teams aren't predicting how good or great these players are going to be?  By your "logic" Sixers wouldn't have picked Simmons at number 1 if they didn't predict how great he will do in the league BASED ON SOLID EVIDENCE OF HOW HE DID IN COLLEGE.

I can't make any sense out of this post. Can you please explain what you said here? What do you mean by hierarchical picks? I'm so confused about how you took what BJ said about not being too quick to rush to judgement and got to this confusing conclusion. Please, explain.

Ooph, I hope that doesn't stick as a short way of saying my name   

[Sketch5]

Looks like some one got their Lakers panties in a bunch this mourning. 

[TheSlipperyWhistle]

Clench is actually the kid Jaylen Brown dunked on. He is upset, and he is taking his anger out on Celtics Blog.

1. The price for Jimmy Butler or any other star was prohibitively expensive, would have gutted our team.

2. Okafor and Noel were not good options for the following reasons...
     
Okafor: Doesn't fit in Brads system well at all. Probably isn't worth the 3 by himself.
Noel: Not worth the 3 by himself. Package offered was Meh at best. More draft picks we don't need.

3. Kris Dunn is no measurably better or worse than Jaylen Brown, and Jaylen Brown is like 3 years younger.

So what I'm saying here Clench, is stop crying over milk that hasn't been spilled yet. If Dunn, Okafor, or Noel have breakout seasons, and Jaylen Brown flops miserably, then you can have your moment in the sun to say "I told you so".


 

[flybono]

A case can be made for exactly the opposite of you just said.

Make it

Danny Ainge has:

Obtained a first round choice for a coach that wanted to leave, and replaced him with probably the most appealing young coach in the league

Assembled a very young roster that won 48 games and that should improve next year even with no moves

Positioned the team with the most favorable contract situation in the league by far

In a league with insane inflation everywhere except with home grown rookies, obtained far and away the largest cache of first round draft choices in the league. This includes 3 consecutive Nets picks just as that franchise  is undergoing a complete collapse and is the clear favorite for last place in the league.

Gotten us meetings with the league's free agent elite for the first time in decades

_______

It is fair to say that he now has to close the deal and organize what he has into a contender, but his performance in the last 3 years has been spectacular.

It's a good set up but times running out.

I think some Celtic fans are letting their impatience from other sports' leagues seep into the NBA. This isn't baseball or football. You can't rebuild a team overnight. You can't go out and sign a ton of players with no regard to the salary cap (baseball). You can't cut your players and start fresh and have a contending team within two-three years (football). This is basketball. Soft hard caps, guaranteed contracts, restricted free agency, and a league built on a handful of superstars. It takes years to rebuild, and the only thing you can hope to do is maintain flexibility until the next star becomes available while continuing to go through the process. Luckily we have the BKN picks to work with in case trades and free agency do not work in our favor.

It's only been three years since this rebuild has started, and the Celtics have gone from 25 wins to 40 to 48, while netting meetings with three of the top free agents available on the market this summer. Not only do they have a top 7 team in the league getting attention from major free agents, they also have top lottery picks to work with from BKN. It's almost a dream position for any rebuilding team (except a team like Minny currently). That is a really good turnaround starting from essentially the ground up.

Times running out? This thing has only just begun, sorry to say. This is the NBA. This is how things work in this league.

You are correct.
Would you agree at some point you have to take a gamble either by trade or free agent signing?

These draft picks are very unpredictable and if you do hit, you will not know for a few years.

[DarkAzcura]

A case can be made for exactly the opposite of you just said.

Make it

Danny Ainge has:

Obtained a first round choice for a coach that wanted to leave, and replaced him with probably the most appealing young coach in the league

Assembled a very young roster that won 48 games and that should improve next year even with no moves

Positioned the team with the most favorable contract situation in the league by far

In a league with insane inflation everywhere except with home grown rookies, obtained far and away the largest cache of first round draft choices in the league. This includes 3 consecutive Nets picks just as that franchise  is undergoing a complete collapse and is the clear favorite for last place in the league.

Gotten us meetings with the league's free agent elite for the first time in decades

_______

It is fair to say that he now has to close the deal and organize what he has into a contender, but his performance in the last 3 years has been spectacular.

It's a good set up but times running out.

I think some Celtic fans are letting their impatience from other sports' leagues seep into the NBA. This isn't baseball or football. You can't rebuild a team overnight. You can't go out and sign a ton of players with no regard to the salary cap (baseball). You can't cut your players and start fresh and have a contending team within two-three years (football). This is basketball. Soft hard caps, guaranteed contracts, restricted free agency, and a league built on a handful of superstars. It takes years to rebuild, and the only thing you can hope to do is maintain flexibility until the next star becomes available while continuing to go through the process. Luckily we have the BKN picks to work with in case trades and free agency do not work in our favor.

It's only been three years since this rebuild has started, and the Celtics have gone from 25 wins to 40 to 48, while netting meetings with three of the top free agents available on the market this summer. Not only do they have a top 7 team in the league getting attention from major free agents, they also have top lottery picks to work with from BKN. It's almost a dream position for any rebuilding team (except a team like Minny currently). That is a really good turnaround starting from essentially the ground up.

Times running out? This thing has only just begun, sorry to say. This is the NBA. This is how things work in this league.

You are correct.
Would you agree at some point you have to take a gamble either by trade or free agent signing?

These draft picks are very unpredictable and if you do hit, you will not know for a few years.

Not really. If the Celtics can't trade/sign for a superstar by next summer, I'd prefer them to trade guys like IT, Bradley, and/or Crowder before their contracts are up and start from the ground up with Smart/Brown/BKN 17/BKN 18 and our potentially high pick in 2018. That may stink to hear, but I feel it's their best bet at that point unfortunately. With Stevens around, though, I don't think they would go in that extreme a direction.

If they can't sign a star or trade for one by summer 2017, I guess they could make some of those potential cap killing moves like signing a Batum or Parsons type of player to a crazy contract and see how far they go in the playoffs in 17-18 (probably ECF and out) and just kinda ride that high for a couple years of "pretender status" until Smart, Brown, and the BKN picks hit their early-mid 20s. That's what can stink about the NBA. You can do everything right and still ultimately fail. The Celtics have put themselves in the best position of the current top 10 teams to add a star via trade and/or free agency, but ultimately it's up to the other party to play ball. What makes Ainge pretty good is that he gives himself flexibility to pivot if things don't work out.

[jambr380]

Celtic fans are whiny little bit......

more than a little evidently. 

With what Clench and CoachBo are bringing to the table lately, I would even be willing to listen to some chatter about Marcus Banks 2.0.

[Timdawgg]

Op you are right.  Celtics fans will never forget this draft.   It will be the draft that netted us Jaylen Brown, the best player drafted since Paul Pierce. Who knows he could be better than Pierce.   Sky is the limit. 

[mctyson]

Op you are right.  Celtics fans will never forget this draft.   It will be the draft that netted us Jaylen Brown, the best player drafted since Paul Pierce. Who knows he could be better than Pierce.   Sky is the limit.

[CoachBo]

A case can be made for exactly the opposite of you just said.

Make it

Danny Ainge has:

Obtained a first round choice for a coach that wanted to leave, and replaced him with probably the most appealing young coach in the league

Assembled a very young roster that won 48 games and that should improve next year even with no moves

Positioned the team with the most favorable contract situation in the league by far

In a league with insane inflation everywhere except with home grown rookies, obtained far and away the largest cache of first round draft choices in the league. This includes 3 consecutive Nets picks just as that franchise  is undergoing a complete collapse and is the clear favorite for last place in the league.

Gotten us meetings with the league's free agent elite for the first time in decades

_______

It is fair to say that he now has to close the deal and organize what he has into a contender, but his performance in the last 3 years has been spectacular.

It's a good set up but times running out.

I think some Celtic fans are letting their impatience from other sports' leagues seep into the NBA. This isn't baseball or football. You can't rebuild a team overnight. You can't go out and sign a ton of players with no regard to the salary cap (baseball). You can't cut your players and start fresh and have a contending team within two-three years (football). This is basketball. Soft hard caps, guaranteed contracts, restricted free agency, and a league built on a handful of superstars. It takes years to rebuild, and the only thing you can hope to do is maintain flexibility until the next star becomes available while continuing to go through the process. Luckily we have the BKN picks to work with in case trades and free agency do not work in our favor.

It's only been three years since this rebuild has started, and the Celtics have gone from 25 wins to 40 to 48, while netting meetings with three of the top free agents available on the market this summer. Not only do they have a top 7 team in the league getting attention from major free agents, they also have top lottery picks to work with from BKN. It's almost a dream position for any rebuilding team (except a team like Minny currently). That is a really good turnaround starting from essentially the ground up.

Times running out? This thing has only just begun, sorry to say. This is the NBA. This is how things work in this league.

You are correct.
Would you agree at some point you have to take a gamble either by trade or free agent signing?

These draft picks are very unpredictable and if you do hit, you will not know for a few years.

Not really. If the Celtics can't trade/sign for a superstar by next summer, I'd prefer them to trade guys like IT, Bradley, and/or Crowder before their contracts are up and start from the ground up with Smart/Brown/BKN 17/BKN 18 and our potentially high pick in 2018. That may stink to hear, but I feel it's their best bet at that point unfortunately. With Stevens around, though, I don't think they would go in that extreme a direction.

If they can't sign a star or trade for one by summer 2017, I guess they could make some of those potential cap killing moves like signing a Batum or Parsons type of player to a crazy contract and see how far they go in the playoffs in 17-18 (probably ECF and out) and just kinda ride that high for a couple years of "pretender status" until Smart, Brown, and the BKN picks hit their early-mid 20s. That's what can stink about the NBA. You can do everything right and still ultimately fail. The Celtics have put themselves in the best position of the current top 10 teams to add a star via trade and/or free agency, but ultimately it's up to the other party to play ball. What makes Ainge pretty good is that he gives himself flexibility to pivot if things don't work out.

Sounds to me like you're advocating tanking.

Unfortunately for all the posters here who guard Fireworks Stand Grousbeck's money like it was their own, there's a minimum they're going to have to reach in payroll.

So sadly, bombing the franchise back to Nets status as you propose isn't going to happen.