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Re: Bulls players debated whether to show up at practice today.
« Reply #45 on: December 14, 2018, 02:39:43 AM »

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When you lose by 60 points I think that players should take it personally, and not throw the coach under the bus immediately. I don't know if Boylen is a good coach or not up to this point, but you have to look yourself in the mirror and perform better if you are a player.

If I am the Bulls I would try to ship Jabari (who I presume was in the "won't come to practice" camp). He is weak on defense, his contract ends this year and they could get a 2nd rounder for him IMO.
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Re: Bulls players debated whether to show up at practice today.
« Reply #46 on: December 14, 2018, 03:30:29 AM »

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When you lose by 60 points I think that players should take it personally, and not throw the coach under the bus immediately. I don't know if Boylen is a good coach or not up to this point, but you have to look yourself in the mirror and perform better if you are a player.

If I am the Bulls I would try to ship Jabari (who I presume was in the "won't come to practice" camp). He is weak on defense, his contract ends this year and they could get a 2nd rounder for him IMO.
Bulls are following my CS profile.
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25528771/jabari-parker-no-longer-part-chicago-bulls-regular-rotation

Crazy how that 2014 draft class has turned out. Thought Jabari Bird/Andrew Wiggins were gonna be like the next LeBron. They look lost. Embiid was truly the top of that draft.

No kidding.  I wanted either of those players badly and was disappointed they didn't tank to get them.  Now I'm glad that we have Smart over both of them.  Exum and Gordon were also highly hyped.  Exum has been bad.  Gordon is a good player, but nothing special. 

Re: Bulls players debated whether to show up at practice today.
« Reply #47 on: December 14, 2018, 04:02:17 AM »

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When you lose by 60 points I think that players should take it personally, and not throw the coach under the bus immediately. I don't know if Boylen is a good coach or not up to this point, but you have to look yourself in the mirror and perform better if you are a player.

If I am the Bulls I would try to ship Jabari (who I presume was in the "won't come to practice" camp). He is weak on defense, his contract ends this year and they could get a 2nd rounder for him IMO.
Bulls are following my CS profile.
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25528771/jabari-parker-no-longer-part-chicago-bulls-regular-rotation

Crazy how that 2014 draft class has turned out. Thought Jabari Bird/Andrew Wiggins were gonna be like the next LeBron. They look lost. Embiid was truly the top of that draft.

No kidding.  I wanted either of those players badly and was disappointed they didn't tank to get them.  Now I'm glad that we have Smart over both of them.  Exum and Gordon were also highly hyped.  Exum has been bad.  Gordon is a good player, but nothing special.

there was a poster here you said he'd take 20 players over smart in that draft.

Re: Bulls players debated whether to show up at practice today.
« Reply #48 on: December 14, 2018, 04:14:51 AM »

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tell me again how this is a player problem.

it's definitely not. The coach wanted to throw the game dor practice in the middle of a 3 games in 4 nights. No newly appointed coach should do that.

Re: Bulls players debated whether to show up at practice today.
« Reply #49 on: December 14, 2018, 08:30:29 AM »

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When you lose by 60 points I think that players should take it personally, and not throw the coach under the bus immediately. I don't know if Boylen is a good coach or not up to this point, but you have to look yourself in the mirror and perform better if you are a player.

If I am the Bulls I would try to ship Jabari (who I presume was in the "won't come to practice" camp). He is weak on defense, his contract ends this year and they could get a 2nd rounder for him IMO.
Bulls are following my CS profile.
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25528771/jabari-parker-no-longer-part-chicago-bulls-regular-rotation

Crazy how that 2014 draft class has turned out. Thought Jabari Bird/Andrew Wiggins were gonna be like the next LeBron. They look lost. Embiid was truly the top of that draft.

Yeah, If Embiid had been healthy Cavs would have drafted him. Would they have traded him for Love? Hard to say, Lebron was eager to compete right away with vets. Can you imagine if Cavs drafted and kept Embiid? Lebron might still be there. Would Kyrie? All the what if’s.

Re: Bulls players debated whether to show up at practice today.
« Reply #50 on: December 14, 2018, 09:01:17 AM »

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When you lose by 60 points I think that players should take it personally, and not throw the coach under the bus immediately. I don't know if Boylen is a good coach or not up to this point, but you have to look yourself in the mirror and perform better if you are a player.

If I am the Bulls I would try to ship Jabari (who I presume was in the "won't come to practice" camp). He is weak on defense, his contract ends this year and they could get a 2nd rounder for him IMO.
Bulls are following my CS profile.
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25528771/jabari-parker-no-longer-part-chicago-bulls-regular-rotation

Crazy how that 2014 draft class has turned out. Thought Jabari Bird/Andrew Wiggins were gonna be like the next LeBron. They look lost. Embiid was truly the top of that draft.

Yeah, If Embiid had been healthy Cavs would have drafted him. Would they have traded him for Love? Hard to say, Lebron was eager to compete right away with vets. Can you imagine if Cavs drafted and kept Embiid? Lebron might still be there. Would Kyrie? All the what if’s.
If Embiid was healthy and not picked by Philly, the Sixers might still be tanking

Re: Bulls players debated whether to show up at practice today.
« Reply #51 on: December 14, 2018, 09:49:37 AM »

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When you lose by 60 points I think that players should take it personally, and not throw the coach under the bus immediately. I don't know if Boylen is a good coach or not up to this point, but you have to look yourself in the mirror and perform better if you are a player.

If I am the Bulls I would try to ship Jabari (who I presume was in the "won't come to practice" camp). He is weak on defense, his contract ends this year and they could get a 2nd rounder for him IMO.
Bulls are following my CS profile.
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25528771/jabari-parker-no-longer-part-chicago-bulls-regular-rotation

Crazy how that 2014 draft class has turned out. Thought Jabari Bird/Andrew Wiggins were gonna be like the next LeBron. They look lost. Embiid was truly the top of that draft.

Yeah, If Embiid had been healthy Cavs would have drafted him. Would they have traded him for Love? Hard to say, Lebron was eager to compete right away with vets. Can you imagine if Cavs drafted and kept Embiid? Lebron might still be there. Would Kyrie? All the what if’s.
If Embiid was healthy and not picked by Philly, the Sixers might still be tanking
Hinkie initially offered 6ers 3, 5 and 7-year play to choose from. They chose 7-year plan but pivoted after I believe 4. So, yes they could still be tanking.
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Re: Bulls players debated whether to show up at practice today.
« Reply #52 on: December 14, 2018, 10:51:48 AM »

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When you lose by 60 points I think that players should take it personally, and not throw the coach under the bus immediately. I don't know if Boylen is a good coach or not up to this point, but you have to look yourself in the mirror and perform better if you are a player.

If I am the Bulls I would try to ship Jabari (who I presume was in the "won't come to practice" camp). He is weak on defense, his contract ends this year and they could get a 2nd rounder for him IMO.
Bulls are following my CS profile.
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25528771/jabari-parker-no-longer-part-chicago-bulls-regular-rotation

Crazy how that 2014 draft class has turned out. Thought Jabari Bird/Andrew Wiggins were gonna be like the next LeBron. They look lost. Embiid was truly the top of that draft.

Yeah, If Embiid had been healthy Cavs would have drafted him. Would they have traded him for Love? Hard to say, Lebron was eager to compete right away with vets. Can you imagine if Cavs drafted and kept Embiid? Lebron might still be there. Would Kyrie? All the what if’s.
If Embiid was healthy and not picked by Philly, the Sixers might still be tanking
Hinkie initially offered 6ers 3, 5 and 7-year play to choose from. They chose 7-year plan but pivoted after I believe 4. So, yes they could still be tanking.
they didn't really pivot that was always in the plan.  tear down, get stars, then build team.  It is a pretty simple strategy really.  Perhaps if a team like the Kings or Suns had done that they wouldn't be awful for a decade.  I mean this is the 13th season since the Kings were last in the playoffs and 38 wins is their best season, followed by 33.  This is now the 9th season since the Suns last made the playoffs.  They did have a 48 win non-playoff season and another at 40, but have been in the low 20's the 3 seasons. 

Sometimes full on tanking really is the best strategy.  Chicago and Atlanta made that decision and are both going guns a blazing to achieve that goal. 
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Re: Bulls players debated whether to show up at practice today.
« Reply #53 on: December 14, 2018, 11:57:09 AM »

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When you lose by 60 points I think that players should take it personally, and not throw the coach under the bus immediately. I don't know if Boylen is a good coach or not up to this point, but you have to look yourself in the mirror and perform better if you are a player.

If I am the Bulls I would try to ship Jabari (who I presume was in the "won't come to practice" camp). He is weak on defense, his contract ends this year and they could get a 2nd rounder for him IMO.
Bulls are following my CS profile.
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25528771/jabari-parker-no-longer-part-chicago-bulls-regular-rotation

Crazy how that 2014 draft class has turned out. Thought Jabari Bird/Andrew Wiggins were gonna be like the next LeBron. They look lost. Embiid was truly the top of that draft.

Yeah, If Embiid had been healthy Cavs would have drafted him. Would they have traded him for Love? Hard to say, Lebron was eager to compete right away with vets. Can you imagine if Cavs drafted and kept Embiid? Lebron might still be there. Would Kyrie? All the what if’s.
If Embiid was healthy and not picked by Philly, the Sixers might still be tanking
Hinkie initially offered 6ers 3, 5 and 7-year play to choose from. They chose 7-year plan but pivoted after I believe 4. So, yes they could still be tanking.
they didn't really pivot that was always in the plan.  tear down, get stars, then build team.  It is a pretty simple strategy really.  Perhaps if a team like the Kings or Suns had done that they wouldn't be awful for a decade.  I mean this is the 13th season since the Kings were last in the playoffs and 38 wins is their best season, followed by 33.  This is now the 9th season since the Suns last made the playoffs.  They did have a 48 win non-playoff season and another at 40, but have been in the low 20's the 3 seasons. 

Sometimes full on tanking really is the best strategy.  Chicago and Atlanta made that decision and are both going guns a blazing to achieve that goal.
I see you haven't read the Hinkies exit manifest.
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Re: Bulls players debated whether to show up at practice today.
« Reply #54 on: December 14, 2018, 12:19:59 PM »

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When you lose by 60 points I think that players should take it personally, and not throw the coach under the bus immediately. I don't know if Boylen is a good coach or not up to this point, but you have to look yourself in the mirror and perform better if you are a player.

If I am the Bulls I would try to ship Jabari (who I presume was in the "won't come to practice" camp). He is weak on defense, his contract ends this year and they could get a 2nd rounder for him IMO.
Bulls are following my CS profile.
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25528771/jabari-parker-no-longer-part-chicago-bulls-regular-rotation

Crazy how that 2014 draft class has turned out. Thought Jabari Bird/Andrew Wiggins were gonna be like the next LeBron. They look lost. Embiid was truly the top of that draft.

Yeah, If Embiid had been healthy Cavs would have drafted him. Would they have traded him for Love? Hard to say, Lebron was eager to compete right away with vets. Can you imagine if Cavs drafted and kept Embiid? Lebron might still be there. Would Kyrie? All the what if’s.
If Embiid was healthy and not picked by Philly, the Sixers might still be tanking
Hinkie initially offered 6ers 3, 5 and 7-year play to choose from. They chose 7-year plan but pivoted after I believe 4. So, yes they could still be tanking.
they didn't really pivot that was always in the plan.  tear down, get stars, then build team.  It is a pretty simple strategy really.  Perhaps if a team like the Kings or Suns had done that they wouldn't be awful for a decade.  I mean this is the 13th season since the Kings were last in the playoffs and 38 wins is their best season, followed by 33.  This is now the 9th season since the Suns last made the playoffs.  They did have a 48 win non-playoff season and another at 40, but have been in the low 20's the 3 seasons. 

Sometimes full on tanking really is the best strategy.  Chicago and Atlanta made that decision and are both going guns a blazing to achieve that goal.
I see you haven't read the Hinkies exit manifest.
Sixers Hall Of Famer, Julius Erving, provided some clarity on that question.

“Well when they [Joshua Harris and Sixers’ ownership group] acquired the team in 2012, maybe, I think the talk was about seven years. Seven years,” Erving said Wednesday on SiriusXM NBA Radio. “So I think it’s still on that same timeline.”

Seven years to make the playoffs?

“No. To be good,” Erving clarified. “To be good. To be formidable. To be a contender. That’s probably 18-19, right?”

It appears they are right on schedule.
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Re: Bulls players debated whether to show up at practice today.
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When you lose by 60 points I think that players should take it personally, and not throw the coach under the bus immediately. I don't know if Boylen is a good coach or not up to this point, but you have to look yourself in the mirror and perform better if you are a player.

If I am the Bulls I would try to ship Jabari (who I presume was in the "won't come to practice" camp). He is weak on defense, his contract ends this year and they could get a 2nd rounder for him IMO.
Bulls are following my CS profile.
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25528771/jabari-parker-no-longer-part-chicago-bulls-regular-rotation

Crazy how that 2014 draft class has turned out. Thought Jabari Bird/Andrew Wiggins were gonna be like the next LeBron. They look lost. Embiid was truly the top of that draft.

Yeah, If Embiid had been healthy Cavs would have drafted him. Would they have traded him for Love? Hard to say, Lebron was eager to compete right away with vets. Can you imagine if Cavs drafted and kept Embiid? Lebron might still be there. Would Kyrie? All the what if’s.
If Embiid was healthy and not picked by Philly, the Sixers might still be tanking

I think this is super interesting to think about.

Some Hinkie supporters act like it was such a foolproof plan (not saying all his supporters did, but some), but it still took a lot to break right to get to where that team is now.  If Embiid is healthy and off the board, if the ping pong balls fall differently in 2016...

The Noel, MCW, Embiid, Saric, Okafor, Simmons, Fultz picks could have easily been:

Noel, MCW, Parker, Saric, Okafor, Ingram, Fultz
Len, MCW, Gordon, Vonleh, Russell, Bender, Jackson
McLemore, Burke, Wiggins, McDermott, Okafor, Dunn, Ball

Of course those are all "worse" scenarios, it could have also gone better:

Oladipo, Giannis, Embiid, Porzingis, Simmons, Tatum
Porter, McCollum, Embiid, KAT, Murray, Fox
miss, miss, miss, miss, miss, Simmons, miss, Doncic

(and obviously this mostly ignores the possible change in draft position in later years by selecting different players, as well as different potential trades)

But there's so many more picks that are misses (from all teams, not just Philly), that I think it's more likely that if things changed slightly, they'd change for the worse, not better.  Even if we keep everything the same, except for one change in '14, very interesting to think about.  Or even if they draft Embiid but he's healthy right away, so they don't nab Simmons.  Very interesting to think about alternate possibilities.

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Re: Bulls players debated whether to show up at practice today.
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When you lose by 60 points I think that players should take it personally, and not throw the coach under the bus immediately. I don't know if Boylen is a good coach or not up to this point, but you have to look yourself in the mirror and perform better if you are a player.

If I am the Bulls I would try to ship Jabari (who I presume was in the "won't come to practice" camp). He is weak on defense, his contract ends this year and they could get a 2nd rounder for him IMO.
Bulls are following my CS profile.
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25528771/jabari-parker-no-longer-part-chicago-bulls-regular-rotation

Crazy how that 2014 draft class has turned out. Thought Jabari Bird/Andrew Wiggins were gonna be like the next LeBron. They look lost. Embiid was truly the top of that draft.

Yeah, If Embiid had been healthy Cavs would have drafted him. Would they have traded him for Love? Hard to say, Lebron was eager to compete right away with vets. Can you imagine if Cavs drafted and kept Embiid? Lebron might still be there. Would Kyrie? All the what if’s.
If Embiid was healthy and not picked by Philly, the Sixers might still be tanking

I think this is super interesting to think about.

Some Hinkie supporters act like it was such a foolproof plan (not saying all his supporters did, but some), but it still took a lot to break right to get to where that team is now.  If Embiid is healthy and off the board, if the ping pong balls fall differently in 2016...

The Noel, MCW, Embiid, Saric, Okafor, Simmons, Fultz picks could have easily been:

Noel, MCW, Parker, Saric, Okafor, Ingram, Fultz
Len, MCW, Gordon, Vonleh, Russell, Bender, Jackson
McLemore, Burke, Wiggins, McDermott, Okafor, Dunn, Ball

Of course those are all "worse" scenarios, it could have also gone better:

Oladipo, Giannis, Embiid, Porzingis, Simmons, Tatum
Porter, McCollum, Embiid, KAT, Murray, Fox
miss, miss, miss, miss, miss, Simmons, miss, Doncic

(and obviously this mostly ignores the possible change in draft position in later years by selecting different players, as well as different potential trades)

But there's so many more picks that are misses (from all teams, not just Philly), that I think it's more likely that if things changed slightly, they'd change for the worse, not better.  Even if we keep everything the same, except for one change in '14, very interesting to think about.  Or even if they draft Embiid but he's healthy right away, so they don't nab Simmons.  Very interesting to think about alternate possibilities.
If Embiid was healthy right away (or even after that 1st year) there is no way they take Okafor the following summer.  It was Embiid's set back that led them to draft Okafor.  With a healthy Embiid, they either take a flyer on Porzingis or Mudiay or they trade back out of that spot with someone that wanted Okafor or Porzingis. 
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Re: Bulls players debated whether to show up at practice today.
« Reply #57 on: December 14, 2018, 02:50:59 PM »

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When you lose by 60 points I think that players should take it personally, and not throw the coach under the bus immediately. I don't know if Boylen is a good coach or not up to this point, but you have to look yourself in the mirror and perform better if you are a player.

If I am the Bulls I would try to ship Jabari (who I presume was in the "won't come to practice" camp). He is weak on defense, his contract ends this year and they could get a 2nd rounder for him IMO.
Bulls are following my CS profile.
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25528771/jabari-parker-no-longer-part-chicago-bulls-regular-rotation

Crazy how that 2014 draft class has turned out. Thought Jabari Bird/Andrew Wiggins were gonna be like the next LeBron. They look lost. Embiid was truly the top of that draft.

Yeah, If Embiid had been healthy Cavs would have drafted him. Would they have traded him for Love? Hard to say, Lebron was eager to compete right away with vets. Can you imagine if Cavs drafted and kept Embiid? Lebron might still be there. Would Kyrie? All the what if’s.
If Embiid was healthy and not picked by Philly, the Sixers might still be tanking

I think this is super interesting to think about.

Some Hinkie supporters act like it was such a foolproof plan (not saying all his supporters did, but some), but it still took a lot to break right to get to where that team is now.  If Embiid is healthy and off the board, if the ping pong balls fall differently in 2016...

The Noel, MCW, Embiid, Saric, Okafor, Simmons, Fultz picks could have easily been:

Noel, MCW, Parker, Saric, Okafor, Ingram, Fultz
Len, MCW, Gordon, Vonleh, Russell, Bender, Jackson
McLemore, Burke, Wiggins, McDermott, Okafor, Dunn, Ball

Of course those are all "worse" scenarios, it could have also gone better:

Oladipo, Giannis, Embiid, Porzingis, Simmons, Tatum
Porter, McCollum, Embiid, KAT, Murray, Fox
miss, miss, miss, miss, miss, Simmons, miss, Doncic

(and obviously this mostly ignores the possible change in draft position in later years by selecting different players, as well as different potential trades)

But there's so many more picks that are misses (from all teams, not just Philly), that I think it's more likely that if things changed slightly, they'd change for the worse, not better.  Even if we keep everything the same, except for one change in '14, very interesting to think about.  Or even if they draft Embiid but he's healthy right away, so they don't nab Simmons.  Very interesting to think about alternate possibilities.
If Embiid was healthy right away (or even after that 1st year) there is no way they take Okafor the following summer.  It was Embiid's set back that led them to draft Okafor.  With a healthy Embiid, they either take a flyer on Porzingis or Mudiay or they trade back out of that spot with someone that wanted Okafor or Porzingis.

While I realize I'm ignoring butterfly effects in most of my post, I was not intending to in my last couple of sentences.

I think a healthy Embiid off the bat kind of puts them in a rookie LeBron situation.  Suddenly too good to get another high lottery pick of their own.  So no #3 in '15 and no #1 in '16.  They'd still have those Kings picks though which they turned into Fultz.

That's my thought process there at least.

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