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Is Kyrie Irving A Legitimate, Bonafide Superstar In The NBA (In Your Books/Definition)?

Yes, Kyrie Irving Is A Legitimate (Bonafide) Superstar In This League
79 (74.5%)
No, I View Kyrie As A Legit All-Star, But A Fringe Superstar At Best Currently
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Re: Debating With Friend: What Do You View Kyrie Irving As In The NBA?
« Reply #150 on: December 02, 2017, 06:38:50 PM »

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Absolutely a superstar. Easily top 5 in his position. If you swapped him and Steph on this C’s team, I don’t think you’ll see much of an improvement or drop off. I think they’re the 2 best PG’s in the league right now (though Westbrook makes a good case as well) and in my mind, two of the 10 best players in the league.

Lebron, Kawhi, KD, Giannis, AD, Steph, Kyrie, Westbrook, AD and idk who would round out the top 10. Porzingis maybe?

You have AD twice.

James
Harden
Durant
Curry
Kawhi
Giannis
Davis

After that, Irving has to be in the mix.

Westbrook takes a lot of really bad shots and doesn't seem to make his teammates better. In addition, he's not good off-ball because he's not that good of a shooter.

I expected Towns to take a leap this season, but his defense is atrocious.

Wouldn't Porzingis, Embiid be above Kyrie as well?

I wouldn't. I've seen Porzingis come up really short in crucial points and Embiid can't play back-to-backs or heavy minutes.

Fair enough, but Cousins is above him for sure. Guy is having a monster, MVP season at the moment.

No way. He's Derrick Coleman 2.0, a highly talented player who gives inconsistent effort and seems to have an overall negative effect on a franchise. He's a stats without substance guy.

Well, he's a big part of why the Pelicans look decent so far lol.

Idk Cousins is a polarizing player. But statistically he's playing like a superstar and is an MVP-candidate at the moment.
Yet he was traded for peanuts while Irving cost us an arm and a leg.

Well Cousins is a head case, but he's a superstar head case LOL.
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Re: Debating With Friend: What Do You View Kyrie Irving As In The NBA?
« Reply #151 on: December 02, 2017, 06:59:46 PM »

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Cousins isn't an mvp candidate. He's not even mvp of his own team. He takes too many bad shots and leads the league in turnovers. AD is outscoring him in spite of taking 3 fewer shots per game, and is a much better defensive player.

The only people who think he's a better player than KI are butt-hurt IT fans. Get over it. IT's gone, isn't coming back, and in his place is one of the best players in the league.

Re: Debating With Friend: What Do You View Kyrie Irving As In The NBA?
« Reply #152 on: December 02, 2017, 07:35:32 PM »

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Superstar or not, you have to admit, Kyrie's resume is pretty impressive.

NBA champion (2016)
4× NBA All-Star (2013–2015, 2017)
NBA All-Star Game MVP (2014)
All-NBA Third Team (2015)
NBA Rookie of the Year (2012)
NBA All-Rookie First Team (2012)
NBA Rising Stars Challenge MVP (2012)
NBA Three-Point Shootout champion (2013)
USA Basketball Male Athlete of the Year (2014)
FIBA World Cup MVP (2014)
2016 Rio De Janeiro Olympics (Gold Medal Winner)
2014 FIBA World Champion (Spain)
2010 FIBA Americas U18 Champion (Gold Medal Winner)
2010 McDonald's All-American
2010 Nike Hoop Summit All-American
2010 Jordan Brand High School All-American
2010 First-team Parade All-American

CAREER: 21.6 PPG, 5.5 APG, 3.5 RPG in 46% shooting, 38% 3 pt. shooting (6 seasons)

And of course, the game-winning shot over Steph Curry in NBA Finals, Game 7, on the road that gave Cleveland it's first title in FRANCHISE HISTORY (and first title in Cleveland after 52 years, breaking the Cleveland Sports Curse).

Re: Debating With Friend: What Do You View Kyrie Irving As In The NBA?
« Reply #153 on: December 02, 2017, 08:11:04 PM »

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Superstar or not, you have to admit, Kyrie's resume is pretty impressive.

NBA champion (2016)
4× NBA All-Star (2013–2015, 2017)
NBA All-Star Game MVP (2014)
All-NBA Third Team (2015)
NBA Rookie of the Year (2012)
NBA All-Rookie First Team (2012)
NBA Rising Stars Challenge MVP (2012)
NBA Three-Point Shootout champion (2013)
USA Basketball Male Athlete of the Year (2014)
FIBA World Cup MVP (2014)
2016 Rio De Janeiro Olympics (Gold Medal Winner)
2014 FIBA World Champion (Spain)
2010 FIBA Americas U18 Champion (Gold Medal Winner)
2010 McDonald's All-American
2010 Nike Hoop Summit All-American
2010 Jordan Brand High School All-American
2010 First-team Parade All-American

CAREER: 21.6 PPG, 5.5 APG, 3.5 RPG in 46% shooting, 38% 3 pt. shooting (6 seasons)

And of course, the game-winning shot over Steph Curry in NBA Finals, Game 7, on the road that gave Cleveland it's first title in FRANCHISE HISTORY (and first title in Cleveland after 52 years, breaking the Cleveland Sports Curse).

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Re: Debating With Friend: What Do You View Kyrie Irving As In The NBA?
« Reply #154 on: December 02, 2017, 08:38:35 PM »

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Superstar or not, you have to admit, Kyrie's resume is pretty impressive.

NBA champion (2016)
4× NBA All-Star (2013–2015, 2017)
NBA All-Star Game MVP (2014)
All-NBA Third Team (2015)
NBA Rookie of the Year (2012)
NBA All-Rookie First Team (2012)
NBA Rising Stars Challenge MVP (2012)
NBA Three-Point Shootout champion (2013)
USA Basketball Male Athlete of the Year (2014)
FIBA World Cup MVP (2014)
2016 Rio De Janeiro Olympics (Gold Medal Winner)
2014 FIBA World Champion (Spain)
2010 FIBA Americas U18 Champion (Gold Medal Winner)
2010 McDonald's All-American
2010 Nike Hoop Summit All-American
2010 Jordan Brand High School All-American
2010 First-team Parade All-American

CAREER: 21.6 PPG, 5.5 APG, 3.5 RPG in 46% shooting, 38% 3 pt. shooting (6 seasons)

And of course, the game-winning shot over Steph Curry in NBA Finals, Game 7, on the road that gave Cleveland it's first title in FRANCHISE HISTORY (and first title in Cleveland after 52 years, breaking the Cleveland Sports Curse).
This is all said and good, but ultimately, Kyrie will judged as a superstar with what he does here in Boston. He is the alpha here. This is his team until Brown and Tatum take it over.

He needs to keep playing quality defense. He needs to keep being an efficient scorer. He needs to keep being a great facillitator. And needs to keep winning and win some a bunch of playoff games and a title or more.

He is currently looking like a superstar this season. If he does what I said, he will be an established superstar for some time.

Re: Debating With Friend: What Do You View Kyrie Irving As In The NBA?
« Reply #155 on: December 03, 2017, 05:07:06 PM »

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Superstar or not, you have to admit, Kyrie's resume is pretty impressive.

NBA champion (2016)
4× NBA All-Star (2013–2015, 2017)
NBA All-Star Game MVP (2014)
All-NBA Third Team (2015)
NBA Rookie of the Year (2012)
NBA All-Rookie First Team (2012)
NBA Rising Stars Challenge MVP (2012)
NBA Three-Point Shootout champion (2013)
USA Basketball Male Athlete of the Year (2014)
FIBA World Cup MVP (2014)
2016 Rio De Janeiro Olympics (Gold Medal Winner)
2014 FIBA World Champion (Spain)
2010 FIBA Americas U18 Champion (Gold Medal Winner)
2010 McDonald's All-American
2010 Nike Hoop Summit All-American
2010 Jordan Brand High School All-American
2010 First-team Parade All-American

CAREER: 21.6 PPG, 5.5 APG, 3.5 RPG in 46% shooting, 38% 3 pt. shooting (6 seasons)

And of course, the game-winning shot over Steph Curry in NBA Finals, Game 7, on the road that gave Cleveland it's first title in FRANCHISE HISTORY (and first title in Cleveland after 52 years, breaking the Cleveland Sports Curse).
This is all said and good, but ultimately, Kyrie will judged as a superstar with what he does here in Boston. He is the alpha here. This is his team until Brown and Tatum take it over.

He needs to keep playing quality defense. He needs to keep being an efficient scorer. He needs to keep being a great facillitator. And needs to keep winning and win some a bunch of playoff games and a title or more.

He is currently looking like a superstar this season. If he does what I said, he will be an established superstar for some time.

Yep. The thing is though, playoffs is where Kyrie is regarded as one of the best in the league (even on Lebron's level w/the added clutchness), so I'm excited to see what he can do for us in the playoffs against great teams late in games!  ;D

Obviously though, there's a long ways to go this season. One game at a time now.
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Re: Debating With Friend: What Do You View Kyrie Irving As In The NBA?
« Reply #156 on: December 03, 2017, 10:39:39 PM »

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Well, for those who wished physical harm on me for objectively evaluating Kyrie, you got your wish -- I had the same exact injury as Hayward today but instead of my right arm.  Borderline compound fracture, coimplete break of radius and ulna, and dislocated wrist.
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Re: Debating With Friend: What Do You View Kyrie Irving As In The NBA?
« Reply #157 on: December 03, 2017, 10:42:05 PM »

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Well, for those who wished physical harm on me for objectively evaluating Kyrie, you got your wish -- I had the same exact injury as Hayward today but instead of my right arm.  Borderline compound fracture, coimplete break of radius and ulna, and dislocated wrist.

Yikes man. I don't think anyone wishes physical harm on someone for their views of an athletic team. Hope that was a joke.

What happened?

Re: Debating With Friend: What Do You View Kyrie Irving As In The NBA?
« Reply #158 on: December 03, 2017, 10:43:49 PM »

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Well, for those who wished physical harm on me for objectively evaluating Kyrie, you got your wish -- I had the same exact injury as Hayward today but instead of my right arm.  Borderline compound fracture, coimplete break of radius and ulna, and dislocated wrist.
Honestly don't think anyone wished you harm, tarheels. I know I wish you only the best during this tough time and hope you're past this injury and back to normal as soon as possible.

Get better bro.
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Re: Debating With Friend: What Do You View Kyrie Irving As In The NBA?
« Reply #159 on: December 03, 2017, 10:55:01 PM »

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Thanks for we;; wishes.  Posted here because it was my last CB tab open, but feel free to move. Dont want to disrupt tht thread topic..
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Re: Debating With Friend: What Do You View Kyrie Irving As In The NBA?
« Reply #160 on: December 04, 2017, 12:09:58 AM »

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Well, for those who wished physical harm on me for objectively evaluating Kyrie, you got your wish -- I had the same exact injury as Hayward today but instead of my right arm.  Borderline compound fracture, coimplete break of radius and ulna, and dislocated wrist.
Lol at the emboldened.

But I'm not sure who wished harm upon you. I obviously disagree with you about Kyrie, but genuinely wanting someone to go through pain because of a disagreement on a forum (kinda part and parcel) is insane. Hope you get well soon - this better not slow down your posting ;)
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Re: Debating With Friend: What Do You View Kyrie Irving As In The NBA?
« Reply #161 on: December 04, 2017, 08:40:57 AM »

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Superstar or not, you have to admit, Kyrie's resume is pretty impressive.

NBA champion (2016)
4× NBA All-Star (2013–2015, 2017)
NBA All-Star Game MVP (2014)
All-NBA Third Team (2015)
NBA Rookie of the Year (2012)
NBA All-Rookie First Team (2012)
NBA Rising Stars Challenge MVP (2012)
NBA Three-Point Shootout champion (2013)
USA Basketball Male Athlete of the Year (2014)
FIBA World Cup MVP (2014)
2016 Rio De Janeiro Olympics (Gold Medal Winner)
2014 FIBA World Champion (Spain)
2010 FIBA Americas U18 Champion (Gold Medal Winner)
2010 McDonald's All-American
2010 Nike Hoop Summit All-American
2010 Jordan Brand High School All-American
2010 First-team Parade All-American

CAREER: 21.6 PPG, 5.5 APG, 3.5 RPG in 46% shooting, 38% 3 pt. shooting (6 seasons)

And of course, the game-winning shot over Steph Curry in NBA Finals, Game 7, on the road that gave Cleveland it's first title in FRANCHISE HISTORY (and first title in Cleveland after 52 years, breaking the Cleveland Sports Curse).
I'm not really sure that is all that impressive when you are talking about top level players.  Just 1 All NBA Team and it was the 3rd team.  The championships and things like that he was never his teams best player. 
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Re: Debating With Friend: What Do You View Kyrie Irving As In The NBA?
« Reply #162 on: December 04, 2017, 08:47:45 AM »

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I'll make this debate easy.
Was in NYC visting family over Thanksgiving. There are adds all over the subway for the NBA Store in downtown Manhattan.

There are four players on the add, Curry, Harden, Lebron and our own Kyrie.

The NBA views him as a superstar, so we should start viewing him the same way here in Boston. 

Re: Debating With Friend: What Do You View Kyrie Irving As In The NBA?
« Reply #163 on: December 04, 2017, 09:25:25 AM »

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Superstar or not, you have to admit, Kyrie's resume is pretty impressive.

NBA champion (2016)
4× NBA All-Star (2013–2015, 2017)
NBA All-Star Game MVP (2014)
All-NBA Third Team (2015)
NBA Rookie of the Year (2012)
NBA All-Rookie First Team (2012)
NBA Rising Stars Challenge MVP (2012)
NBA Three-Point Shootout champion (2013)
USA Basketball Male Athlete of the Year (2014)
FIBA World Cup MVP (2014)
2016 Rio De Janeiro Olympics (Gold Medal Winner)
2014 FIBA World Champion (Spain)
2010 FIBA Americas U18 Champion (Gold Medal Winner)
2010 McDonald's All-American
2010 Nike Hoop Summit All-American
2010 Jordan Brand High School All-American
2010 First-team Parade All-American

CAREER: 21.6 PPG, 5.5 APG, 3.5 RPG in 46% shooting, 38% 3 pt. shooting (6 seasons)

And of course, the game-winning shot over Steph Curry in NBA Finals, Game 7, on the road that gave Cleveland it's first title in FRANCHISE HISTORY (and first title in Cleveland after 52 years, breaking the Cleveland Sports Curse).
I'm not really sure that is all that impressive when you are talking about top level players.  Just 1 All NBA Team and it was the 3rd team.  The championships and things like that he was never his teams best player.

That feels like throwing shade. For a 25 year old, that is an impressive basketball resume.

Re: Debating With Friend: What Do You View Kyrie Irving As In The NBA?
« Reply #164 on: December 04, 2017, 11:18:22 AM »

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Well, for those who wished physical harm on me for objectively evaluating Kyrie, you got your wish -- I had the same exact injury as Hayward today but instead of my right arm.  Borderline compound fracture, coimplete break of radius and ulna, and dislocated wrist.
Yikes! That sounds awful.

I wish you a speedy recovery with as little pain as possible.
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