Woj: Jrue to Celtics

[keevsnick]

I like Jrue, its hard to square giving a guy 4/135 then watching him be an almost nothing on offense.

I'm fine with him averaging like 10 ppg if he was shooting it well, but his splits are just trash right now. He has to be able to at least hit open threes.

[Moranis]

I think that some fans can't appreciate the difference between great defense and flashy defense.

Jrue is like Iguodala.  His impact generally isn't in the stat sheet.

I think the question is is thst still an IS or is now a WAS. Guys in year 15 don't get better, they only get worse.

[Greenblood35]

Brad extending Jrue at 34M per baffled me.

There are some things Jrue does better, but in totality, PP is a better player RIGHT NOW.

The other option was to not extend Jrue for that money and then likely lose him in free agency. I'm glad Brad went the extension route. While I disagree that PP is a better player right now that Jrue, I do agree that he has developed into a really good player and is crucial for the C's success. And the fact that they were able to keep him on a 4-year 30m extension is another brilliant move by Brad. Jrue might be making 34M, but combined you are getting two really good guards for under 40M. Now if we can just keep DWhite...

[Who]

Jrue needs to be better.

He doesn't need to be an 18-20ppg but he does need to be a 12-15ppg guy on good shooting efficiency. There is no acceptable reason for a player as talented as him to be sub-10ppg and doing it on horrible efficiency. The defense is not focused in on him. He has many easy opportunities and shot attempts. He needs to make them.

[Moranis]

Jrue needs to be better.

He doesn't need to be an 18-20ppg but he does need to be a 12-15ppg guy on good shooting efficiency. There is no acceptable reason for a player as talented as him to be sub-10ppg and doing it on horrible efficiency. The defense is not focused in on him. He has many easy opportunities and shot attempts. He needs to make them.

he is at the end of year 15. I don't know why more on this board don't recognize this. The dude is simply old.

[jpotter33]

Jrue needs to be better.

He doesn't need to be an 18-20ppg but he does need to be a 12-15ppg guy on good shooting efficiency. There is no acceptable reason for a player as talented as him to be sub-10ppg and doing it on horrible efficiency. The defense is not focused in on him. He has many easy opportunities and shot attempts. He needs to make them.

he is at the end of year 15. I don't know why more on this board don't recognize this. The dude is simply old.

Yet he shot his career best three point percentage this season, as well as a slightly better fg% than last year and 1.7% better fg% than his career average.

It’s completely reasonable to ask him to be more efficient as he was all season long, especially as the fifth option, and it has nothing to do with age.

[cman88]

Jrue needs to be better.

He doesn't need to be an 18-20ppg but he does need to be a 12-15ppg guy on good shooting efficiency. There is no acceptable reason for a player as talented as him to be sub-10ppg and doing it on horrible efficiency. The defense is not focused in on him. He has many easy opportunities and shot attempts. He needs to make them.

he is at the end of year 15. I don't know why more on this board don't recognize this. The dude is simply old.

Yet he shot his career best three point percentage this season, as well as a slightly better fg% than last year and 1.7% better fg% than his career average.

It’s completely reasonable to ask him to be more efficient as he was all season long, especially as the fifth option, and it has nothing to do with age.

yeah I dont understand Moranis' point. Jrue still averaged 12ppg during the regular season and shot 43% from 3.

would be nice to have that in the post-season. its not like we are talking about a long time ago

[Moranis]

Jrue needs to be better.

He doesn't need to be an 18-20ppg but he does need to be a 12-15ppg guy on good shooting efficiency. There is no acceptable reason for a player as talented as him to be sub-10ppg and doing it on horrible efficiency. The defense is not focused in on him. He has many easy opportunities and shot attempts. He needs to make them.

he is at the end of year 15. I don't know why more on this board don't recognize this. The dude is simply old.

Yet he shot his career best three point percentage this season, as well as a slightly better fg% than last year and 1.7% better fg% than his career average.

It’s completely reasonable to ask him to be more efficient as he was all season long, especially as the fifth option, and it has nothing to do with age.

yeah I dont understand Moranis' point. Jrue still averaged 12ppg during the regular season and shot 43% from 3.

would be nice to have that in the post-season. its not like we are talking about a long time ago

Tatum, Brown, Pritchard, Horford are all shooting way less in post season as well thst is in fact fairly typical as you play more minutes against better competition, especially when you are older and at the end of a long srason.

[Phantom255x]

Jrue isn't a prolific scorer, and we don't need him to be. But him blowing easy bunnies is infuriating and at times is such a brutal swing for us. Instead of an easy bucket on our end, it's a transition 2 or 3 on the other end and a 4-5 point swing. It's happened multiple times this postseason.

He could certainly be better defensively but there have been games he's actually done well hounding the opponents. Sometimes I think the team in general gets caught up in a scheme or someone makes a bad decision and it backfires. But that's not solely on Holiday.

[Roy H.]

Jrue isn't a prolific scorer, and we don't need him to be. But him blowing easy bunnies is infuriating and at times is such a brutal swing for us. Instead of an easy bucket on our end, it's a transition 2 or 3 on the other end and a 4-5 point swing. It's happened multiple times this postseason.

He could certainly be better defensively but there have been games he's actually done well hounding the opponents. Sometimes I think the team in general gets caught up in a scheme or someone makes a bad decision and it backfires. But that's not solely on Holiday.

None of Game 2 was solely, or primarily, on Jrue.

The entire team struggled.  Neither Horford nor Kornet could protect the rim, the team defense was lazy, White and Brown were terrible, and Tatum was average.

[celticsclay]

Jrue needs to be better.

He doesn't need to be an 18-20ppg but he does need to be a 12-15ppg guy on good shooting efficiency. There is no acceptable reason for a player as talented as him to be sub-10ppg and doing it on horrible efficiency. The defense is not focused in on him. He has many easy opportunities and shot attempts. He needs to make them.

he is at the end of year 15. I don't know why more on this board don't recognize this. The dude is simply old.

Yet he shot his career best three point percentage this season, as well as a slightly better fg% than last year and 1.7% better fg% than his career average.

It’s completely reasonable to ask him to be more efficient as he was all season long, especially as the fifth option, and it has nothing to do with age.

yeah I dont understand Moranis' point. Jrue still averaged 12ppg during the regular season and shot 43% from 3.

would be nice to have that in the post-season. its not like we are talking about a long time ago

Tatum, Brown, Pritchard, Horford are all shooting way less in post season as well thst is in fact fairly typical as you play more minutes against better competition, especially when you are older and at the end of a long srason.

I’m assuming you mean less shooting efficiency here and not that everyone is just taking less shots? Also we haven’t really been playing better teams in the postseason. The Miami team we played probably was a lottery team without both rozier and butler.

[otherdave]

I wonder if his shoulder injury (dislocated??) near the end of the regular season is still bothering him a little.

[Vermont Green]

I wonder if his shoulder injury (dislocated??) near the end of the regular season is still bothering him a little.

I suspect that this is at least a contributing factor. Funny how much parallel Holiday’s season has to Brogdon’s season last season. Both were great all year, and then declined suddenly in the playoffs.  Jrue may still turn it around. He could have a string of games like White had. It would not surprise me.

[j804]

Jrue is going to be fine. Even if his offense never gets rolling like crazy his defense alone is invaluable especially with the Smart departure.