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Around the League => Around the NBA => Topic started by: green_bballers13 on January 16, 2018, 11:42:55 PM
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The Pelicans looked good tonight. If they can somehow clear some space to add a Paul George type wing, they become a top 5 team.
I don't know why New Orleans would look to trade him. I don't think they get even value in any viable trade for him.
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The Pelicans looked good tonight. If they can somehow clear some space to add a Paul George type wing, they become a top 5 team.
I don't know why New Orleans would look to trade him. I don't think they get even value in any viable trade for him.
A one game sample they may look alright. Other nights they look awful. The inconsistency is an indicator of a poorly built and poorly coached basketball team.
As for acquiring a top wing and getting better; Davis is on a max, Cousins will be on a max, and Jrue Holiday is on a max until 2021.
Unless by some miracle of god they can offload Jrue Holiday somewhere, they cannot add more superstars to that roster. Best of luck with that endeavour. Probably the worst contract in the league.
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They won't trade him unless he demands a trade. He doesn't seem like the type, but who knows -- that's par for course these days.
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I think he will stay, unless Pelician doesn't want to pay him the supermax contract.
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He’ll probably be the new KG. Stuck on a team that will never win anything of note. Another small market holding on to a star as long as possible. Once they lose in the first round the pressure will only build though. Go green AD 🍀 Convince me the C’s couldn’t win a ring with this lineup:
Kyrie
Smart
Hayward
Tatum
Davis
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They will wait until the last minute and trade him if he requests a trade or will let his contract expire. Then they will blame him after he leaves.
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He’ll probably be the new KG. Stuck on a team that will never win anything of note. Another small market holding on to a star as long as possible. Once they lose in the first round the pressure will only build though. Go green AD 🍀 Convince me the C’s couldn’t win a ring with this lineup:
Kyrie
Smart
Hayward
Tatum
Davis
I want to believe too.....
I don't think Horford + Brown + filler gets it done. Add in Bagley/Ayton and I think you have a deal.
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New Orleans would be crazy to ever trade him. He should stay.
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usualy it takes a while to sink in because they are so young , to realize they won't be playing forever , and time creeps up , they mature and go .....oh my ......I ve wasted away here , maybe a
I should go somewhere to win a ring .
KG just stayed too long ....i watched all those years i. depresssion of him being on that team wasting years .
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1. Cousins is a goner after they lose or miss playoffs
2. They're Bad
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As much as I love his game, I agree.
I'd dread how much we'd have to give up to get him.
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NO might be a logical place for the banana boat to have their reunion.
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He’ll probably be the new KG. Stuck on a team that will never win anything of note. Another small market holding on to a star as long as possible. Once they lose in the first round the pressure will only build though. Go green AD 🍀 Convince me the C’s couldn’t win a ring with this lineup:
Kyrie
Smart
Hayward
Tatum
Davis
I think I agree with your KG comparison. I like Davis a lot but I'm really not sure he'd improve our chances...especially considering what we'd have to give up. We just might become the Boston Pelicans. If he played every game like he played last night - hell yes. But, he doesn't.
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New Orleans is in such cap hell, there only real shot is to trade bad contracts for better fitting bad contracts. Something like Asik and Allen for Smith and Rose might make sense for both teams. Cavs add a wing defender in Allen, save some money, but get stuck with Asik (though he is signed for less than Smith). Pelicans get a shot a resurrecting Smith (and they badly need a wing) and maybe see if Rose has anything left.
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Terrible cap, terrible coach, terrible management, terrible roster construction.
I love Davis + DMC + Jrue, but you need more than that.
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Davis is an injury waiting to happen. He almost never survives a 4 game week. A bit like Embiid, except he comes up with some sort of sickness or injury to miss a game. Last week it was a slight ankle sprain.
Last night he had a huge night against the Celtics. But that's almost a given, because good bigs always have a big night against the Celtics because the Celtics have no big to defend against good bigs. It figures bad teams like NO would give the Celtics trouble because they have TWO good bigs.
You could say this game is telling Danny to go out and get a good big defender. Somebody long. Baynes has his shortcomings. Theis better but still doesn't have quite the length.
If the Cavs get Jordan for that Nets pick, the Celtics will be in trouble against them.
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Davis is an injury waiting to happen. He almost never survives a 4 game week. A bit like Embiid, except he comes up with some sort of sickness or injury to miss a game. Last week it was a slight ankle sprain.
Last night he had a huge night against the Celtics. But that's almost a given, because good bigs always have a big night against the Celtics because the Celtics have no big to defend against good bigs. It figures bad teams like NO would give the Celtics trouble because they have TWO good bigs.
You could say this game is telling Danny to go out and get a good big defender. Somebody long. Baynes has his shortcomings. Theis better but still doesn't have quite the length.
If the Cavs get Jordan for that Nets pick, the Celtics will be in trouble against them.
I was with you until the Jordan thing. He's not difficult to defend, as he can't shoot outside of 3 feet.
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The Pelicans looked good tonight. If they can somehow clear some space to add a Paul George type wing, they become a top 5 team.
I don't know why New Orleans would look to trade him. I don't think they get even value in any viable trade for him.
A one game sample they may look alright. Other nights they look awful. The inconsistency is an indicator of a poorly built and poorly coached basketball team.
As for acquiring a top wing and getting better; Davis is on a max, Cousins will be on a max, and Jrue Holiday is on a max until 2021.
Unless by some miracle of god they can offload Jrue Holiday somewhere, they cannot add more superstars to that roster. Best of luck with that endeavour. Probably the worst contract in the league.
Holiday is 27 and averaging 18.5, 5 points, 4.5 rebounds, 1.5 steals on 49% shooting. Ideally you would want him to be a clear all-star, but how is that the worst contract in the league compared to guys making a ton of money that can't even play?
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The Pelicans looked good tonight. If they can somehow clear some space to add a Paul George type wing, they become a top 5 team.
I don't know why New Orleans would look to trade him. I don't think they get even value in any viable trade for him.
A one game sample they may look alright. Other nights they look awful. The inconsistency is an indicator of a poorly built and poorly coached basketball team.
As for acquiring a top wing and getting better; Davis is on a max, Cousins will be on a max, and Jrue Holiday is on a max until 2021.
Unless by some miracle of god they can offload Jrue Holiday somewhere, they cannot add more superstars to that roster. Best of luck with that endeavour. Probably the worst contract in the league.
Holiday is 27 and averaging 18.5, 5 points, 4.5 rebounds, 1.5 steals on 49% shooting. Ideally you would want him to be a clear all-star, but how is that the worst contract in the league compared to guys making a ton of money that can't even play?
Yeah, Holliday is a borderline all-star, you can't complain about him. This is the same team that splurged cap space on Omer Asik and Alexis Ajinca who are both utterly useless.
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There are at least two contracts on the Pelicans alone worse than Holiday's i.e. Omer Asik, and Solomon Hill (even taking injury out of it). I think you could make an argument E'Twaun Moore and Alexis Ajinca have worse contracts as well.
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Pelicans have no draft picks and little convincing trade bait. To the extent there are any, they should really be hitting the buyout market, G-leaguers, or anything else. They really need a small forward.
If they get into the playoffs and steal a game or two, that's something.
EDIT: Well, little convincing trade bait if you're keeping Cousins and Davis..... last night is why those AD rumors persist. Maybe Ainge told him to try-out for the team.
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He should leave. Not stay.
NOP is a mess of a franchise. Horribly run franchise that will not win or even challenge for anything.
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He should leave. Not stay.
NOP is a mess of a franchise. Horribly run franchise that will not win or even challenge for anything.
Disagree that the past determines the future. They just made a great trade for Cousins. They get some salary relief in 2020 (not that far off). They are in 6th place in the West, and there's little reason to think that they should get worse.
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They won't trade him unless he demands a trade. He doesn't seem like the type, but who knows -- that's par for course these days.
Per your Anthony Davis quote, I doubt he would want to play under Danny "Belichick" Ainge, for whom players are merely a means to an end. Danny has a certain brilliance, yes, but he does not have Red's soul. I will always believe that somewhere inside Danny, there remains a resentment towards Red for trading him after all the loyalty that was shown to Bird and McHale.
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Gentry discussing possible Davis trade to Celtics.
http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/celtics/2018/01/alvin_gentry_anthony_davis_is_not_walking_through_celtics_door
“I know there’s been rumors about Boston trying to trade for him or whatever,” said Gentry, “and my response to that is, yeah, we’ll trade him.”
“But they’re going to have to give us the New England Patriots and the two planes that they just bought. ... And I don’t think they’re going to do that. So we’re not even thinking about those kind of things.”
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Stephen A. Smith talked about Davis possibly being traded to Cleveland and how with AD in Cleveland, the Warriors could be beat in the Finals. He also thinks that could be bad news for the C's (obviously).
Umm, am I missing something, or did the Cavaliers suddenly get multiple high draft picks going forward?? I mean, what else can the Cavaliers offer besides the BKN Pick (which is likely NOT a Top-5 pick). And if they trade K. Love, are you really substantially improving the team? I get Love's defense is horrible, but he has been the 2nd best player on that Cavs team and is also a walking double-double...
But obviously, the Pelicans won't trade AD for that package, and unlike the C's, the Cavaliers can't trade their NFL franchise to the Pelicans, because the Pelicans would obviously say no to taking back the winless Browns... :P :laugh:
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After watching the game, their offense is a defensive nightmare for us. We have to cheat off the wings because of potential lobs and low posts to their bigs, which allows jrue to dribble anywhere he wants. Even if he misses, we have no one that can box two huge centers out for the offensive rebounds. Don't let the similar offensive rebound number confuse you, we got a ton of "lucky bricks" that landed back at the shooter. Also our "let's go" last 5 minutes roster can't have Tatum, who is historically clutch, because we need theis or baynes to matchup. Our defense is great because we can switch everything and close out jump shooters. Can't do that vs NO.
The good news is our defense is perfect against fast paced, small ball, motion offenses like GSW, which will be our finals opponent. We just kind of have to accept 2 losses vs NO unless Stevens can figure something else out in the rematch. I'm surprised it was even that close. Kyrie is ineffective on offense because he drives into Anthony Davis with Boogie as a help defender, so he has to jack up jumpers instead of the easy layups were used to.
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After beating the best team in the East last night, they subsequently lost to the worst East team in Atlanta tonight. Davis put up an ugly game, too.
NO is just a bad matchup for Boston. That’s why I thought they could give GS some trouble if they meet in the first round.
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After watching the game, their offense is a defensive nightmare for us. We have to cheat off the wings because of potential lobs and low posts to their bigs, which allows jrue to dribble anywhere he wants. Even if he misses, we have no one that can box two huge centers out for the offensive rebounds. Don't let the similar offensive rebound number confuse you, we got a ton of "lucky bricks" that landed back at the shooter. Also our "let's go" last 5 minutes roster can't have Tatum, who is historically clutch, because we need theis or baynes to matchup. Our defense is great because we can switch everything and close out jump shooters. Can't do that vs NO.
The good news is our defense is perfect against fast paced, small ball, motion offenses like GSW, which will be our finals opponent. We just kind of have to accept 2 losses vs NO unless Stevens can figure something else out in the rematch. I'm surprised it was even that close. Kyrie is ineffective on offense because he drives into Anthony Davis with Boogie as a help defender, so he has to jack up jumpers instead of the easy layups were used to.
It's not luck
our strategy to put up so many 3s is to make and get those long rebound
and don't forget we miss hayward and tatum didn't play much, plus this is after a long space time, not to mention AD needs to bust his ass to 40+ min and monster numbers to barely beat us and KI is in a shooting slump, oh and i haven't mention the ongoing matchup adjust by CBS
don't let one game result fool you
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Only thing worth staying is French Quarter .
He should leave and just visit .
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After beating the best team in the East last night, they subsequently lost to the worst East team in Atlanta tonight. Davis put up an ugly game, too.
Plus, AD is a constant injury risk. I would not give up the farm for him. I would love to have him but he is too costly. I would take Cousins for the rest of this year. He stays healthy and is a monster and would be a beast on Cleveland. But I also wouldn't pay too much for a Cousins rental.
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The Pelicans looked good tonight. If they can somehow clear some space to add a Paul George type wing, they become a top 5 team
They can't. So your premise is a moot issue. Most teams also would benefits by adding a Paul George type wing including us.
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After beating the best team in the East last night, they subsequently lost to the worst East team in Atlanta tonight. Davis put up an ugly game, too.
Plus, AD is a constant injury risk. I would not give up the farm for him. I would love to have him but he is too costly. I would take Cousins for the rest of this year. He stays healthy and is a monster and would be a beast on Cleveland. But I also wouldn't pay too much for a Cousins rental.
why would Cousins be a rental?
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Gentry discussing possible Davis trade to Celtics.
http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/celtics/2018/01/alvin_gentry_anthony_davis_is_not_walking_through_celtics_door
“I know there’s been rumors about Boston trying to trade for him or whatever,” said Gentry, “and my response to that is, yeah, we’ll trade him.”
“But they’re going to have to give us the New England Patriots and the two planes that they just bought. ... And I don’t think they’re going to do that. So we’re not even thinking about those kind of things.”
I know Gentry is joking, but that seems like like a bit of an insult to Brees, Payton, and the Saints who are basically the only saving grace for an otherwise sketchy city (I have been to NO a # of times and feel qualified enough to say that).
As for Davis and Pelicans, of course they are going to have nights where everything goes right for them - as they did against us. Don't forget that teams are giving us their very best as we legitimately are the #1 seed. However, as jpotter pointed out, they are also going to have nights where they lose to the worst team in the NBA. They definitely need more consistency.
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The Pelicans looked good tonight. If they can somehow clear some space to add a Paul George type wing, they become a top 5 team
They can't. So your premise is a moot issue. Most teams also would benefits by adding a Paul George type wing including us.
? Why can't they?
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The Pelicans looked good tonight. If they can somehow clear some space to add a Paul George type wing, they become a top 5 team
They can't. So your premise is a moot issue. Most teams also would benefits by adding a Paul George type wing including us.
? Why can't they?
They have no cap space and limited assets.
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They just got beat by Atlanta. ...Atlanta!! New Orleans will never be a winning franchise with those owners..
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I take Cousins..lot of ppl would not..guy is a top 15 player...
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I take Cousins..lot of ppl would not..guy is a top 15 player...
Me too. He's still a top 10 in my eyes under the right environment. The problem is Cousins is just not a good leader, nor does he make winning plays. He complains, argues and consistently doesn't put full effort on defense. It's a shame because he is supremely talented.
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The Pelicans looked good tonight. If they can somehow clear some space to add a Paul George type wing, they become a top 5 team
They can't. So your premise is a moot issue. Most teams also would benefit by adding a Paul George type wing including us.
? Why can't they?
As there is a concept of a salary cap. It prohibits a team from spending money above a certain threshold. It penalizes teams without any frugality, financial knowledge, and sometimes owners conscience.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/NOP.html
ATM the 2018/19 cap is projected at 102 mils $
They have already invested $94,827,090 for that year, that is without DMCs new deal that starts at 30,6 mil $ ($136/4y).
If they sign him, they are some 25 mils $ above the tax. That makes the PG13 signing virtually impossible, as he will seek the same money as DMC (7-9 year max).
The real answer to your question lies in the fact that:
1) NOLA has sent each of its 1st rounders picks away, every year since they drafted AD, relieving them of the possibility to have cheap long-term contracts. They weren't patient and it backfired. They peaked (this year) at 50% ball with a SStar on the roster.
2) Also, they signed some poor value contracts in consecutive years. Asik-Ajinca-Hill
3) The worst medical staff in the league. It indirectly lowers the value of their players and scares some potential free agents away. They didn't get anything for Anderson nor Gordon who walked away for nothing and are enjoying healthy and productive years after their leave.
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The Pelicans looked good tonight. If they can somehow clear some space to add a Paul George type wing, they become a top 5 team
They can't. So your premise is a moot issue. Most teams also would benefit by adding a Paul George type wing including us.
? Why can't they?
As there is a concept of a salary cap. It prohibits a team from spending money above a certain threshold. It penalizes teams without any frugality, financial knowledge, and sometimes owners conscience.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/NOP.html
ATM the 2018/19 cap is projected at 102 mils $
They have already invested $94,827,090 for that year, that is without DMCs new deal that starts at 30,6 mil $ ($136/4y).
If they sign him, they are some 25 mils $ above the tax. That makes the PG13 signing virtually impossible, as he will seek the same money as DMC (7-9 year max).
The real answer to your question lies in the fact that:
1) NOLA has sent each of its 1st rounders picks away, every year since they drafted AD, relieving them of the possibility to have cheap long-term contracts. They weren't patient and it backfired. They peaked (this year) at 50% ball with a SStar on the roster.
2) Also, they signed some poor value contracts in consecutive years. Asik-Ajinca-Hill
3) The worst medical staff in the league. It indirectly lowers the value of their players and scares some potential free agents away. They didn't get anything for Anderson nor Gordon who walked away for nothing and are enjoying healthy and productive years after their leave.
TP Androslav, was gonna type the same but got too lazy. No offense but I don't understand why people just can't look online for five seconds and see that the New Orleans Pelicans literally shot themselves in the foot. Asik, Hill and Alexis might be the worst trio of contracts in the NBA combined. Both centers haven't seen more than 12 minutes at all this season and Hill has been injured frequently.
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After beating the best team in the East last night, they subsequently lost to the worst East team in Atlanta tonight. Davis put up an ugly game, too.
Plus, AD is a constant injury risk. I would not give up the farm for him. I would love to have him but he is too costly. I would take Cousins for the rest of this year. He stays healthy and is a monster and would be a beast on Cleveland. But I also wouldn't pay too much for a Cousins rental.
why would Cousins be a rental?
He is a free agent after this season.
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After beating the best team in the East last night, they subsequently lost to the worst East team in Atlanta tonight. Davis put up an ugly game, too.
Plus, AD is a constant injury risk. I would not give up the farm for him. I would love to have him but he is too costly. I would take Cousins for the rest of this year. He stays healthy and is a monster and would be a beast on Cleveland. But I also wouldn't pay too much for a Cousins rental.
why would Cousins be a rental?
He is a free agent after this season.
So.
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Could they take a flyer on Deng from LA? He wanted to get bought out, but that seems unlikely. NO really needs any kind of depth but particularly wing depth. Unfortunately there aren't too many decent wings that will suddenly become available.
And I mean, if they make the playoffs and demonstrate they're committed to winning with AD and Cousins, and then have some contracts come off the books, maybe that's enough to entice some kind of solid player to sign.
IDK. Glad I'm a Celtics fan.
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Pelicans are going to sign Cousins to a 5 year, 175 million contract..or offer him that anyway
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They're not a good team. They lost to Atlanta last night. They'll be fortunate to make the playoffs.
The Celtics team they beat the other night wasn't very good, either. Kyrie took too many bad shots, and Brad Stevens goes braindead sometimes and thinks it's a good idea to have Tatum and Brown watch the end of games on the bench while Rozier and Smart throw up bricks and turnovers.
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They're not a good team. They lost to Atlanta last night. They'll be fortunate to make the playoffs.
The Celtics team they beat the other night wasn't very good, either. Kyrie took too many bad shots, and Brad Stevens goes braindead sometimes and thinks it's a good idea to have Tatum and Brown watch the end of games on the bench while Rozier and Smart throw up bricks and turnovers.
teams that have lost to the Hawks include the Cavs, the Knicks, the Heat, the Wizards, the Blazers, the Nuggets, the Spurs, and now the Pelicans.
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Davis is overrated, he is a star but not a superstar, he put up incredible numbers but his team never went to playoffs and he is so injury prone and inconsistent, 8pt 7rb vs the hawks?man
I don't want my big to jack up tons of mid range jumper even if he is good at it, too
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Davis is overrated, he is a star but not a superstar, he put up incredible numbers but his team never went to playoffs and he is so injury prone and inconsistent, 8pt 7rb vs the hawks?man
I don't want my big to jack up tons of mid range jumper even if he is good at it, too
Yeah he's only having the best season of his career. Sounds overrated to me lol
http://www.espn.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/6583/anthony-davis
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Pelicans are going to sign Cousins to a 5 year, 175 million contract..or offer him that anyway
94,827,090 is the cap space they have spent next year.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/NOP.html
This is not monopoly or NBA Live/2K and uses real money, good luck getting an owner to pay out for that extra money.
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Davis is overrated, he is a star but not a superstar, he put up incredible numbers but his team never went to playoffs and he is so injury prone and inconsistent, 8pt 7rb vs the hawks?man
I don't want my big to jack up tons of mid range jumper even if he is good at it, too
I too worry about Davis' injuries, but saying he's overrated, "so" injury prone and inconsistent is pretty ludicrous. This is his second season in a row where he's averaging 25+ppg, 10+rpg, 2+bpg and 1+spg.
KG took over 5 years to make it out of the first round of the playoffs - is that entirely on him?