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Re: Heat (22-22) at Celtics (28-18) Game #47 1/21/19
« Reply #375 on: January 21, 2019, 08:38:20 PM »

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Celts just have too many good players wanting minutes and shots.

If Ainge is saving the assets for AD then trading Rozier is the best way to go.

Rozier becomes a RFA in the summer.
So it's complicated because a team can give Rozier an offer sheet and the Celts would be forced to match.

Moving Rozier now is the ideal scenario.

Save the other pieces for the AD package.

I agree we’d be better off having one less guy. But if we’re trading for AD, presumably we’d be keeping as many good players on the roster as we can—thus keeping Rozier as long as possible.

But Rozier becomes a RFA in the summer.

If a team gives Rozier an offer sheet then Celts would have to match or let him go.

Re: Heat (22-22) at Celtics (28-18) Game #47 1/21/19
« Reply #376 on: January 21, 2019, 08:38:39 PM »

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as inconsistent as we have been this year i will gladly take the W and live to fight another day hoping we can eventually get this worked out

Ainge can fix this by moving Rozier.

Trading Rozier opens up more minutes for Hayward and Brown.

Right now both Hayward and Brown are struggling for shots and minutes.

Can we trade him and Semi for a young stretch 4?

Yes.

There are so many possibilities right now.

It depends on what Ainge thinks.

Ainge keeps saying he likes this team.

We'll see in a couple of weeks.

But I believe Ainge will make a move.

yeah i think somebody gets moved also

I really don't think Ainge makes a move this trade deadline. He's going to keep all of our assets to go fully after AD this summer.

At this point though, you have to wonder if it's more important to get a team first guy who has no problem buying into his role (DJ Augustin or Jeremey Lin) vs. keeping an "asset" that's depreciating by the game? I get why people think Terry has value but he has red flags. He only seems to be fully engaged when he starts, but even then he's not especially efficient as a scorer. It's starting to remind me a lot of the Reggie Jackson/OKC/DET situation. He believes he deserves to start but when he finally gets the chance, he's completely average.

reggie jackson is miles better than Rozier.

Terry is a blackhole.
I honestly think Jabari Bird is better than him. Too bad his screws are not right in the head.

Re: Heat (22-22) at Celtics (28-18) Game #47 1/21/19
« Reply #377 on: January 21, 2019, 08:40:37 PM »

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Folks, we're not trading Rozier at this point, he has no trade value left.

What team in their right mind would give up anything of value for him?

I think teams saw what Rozier did in last year's playoffs.

Rozier played well when he was starting.

He's a different players when he's a bench player.

Re: Heat (22-22) at Celtics (28-18) Game #47 1/21/19
« Reply #378 on: January 21, 2019, 08:44:27 PM »

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Celts just have too many good players wanting minutes and shots.

If Ainge is saving the assets for AD then trading Rozier is the best way to go.

Rozier becomes a RFA in the summer.
So it's complicated because a team can give Rozier an offer sheet and the Celts would be forced to match.

Moving Rozier now is the ideal scenario.

Save the other pieces for the AD package.

I agree we’d be better off having one less guy. But if we’re trading for AD, presumably we’d be keeping as many good players on the roster as we can—thus keeping Rozier as long as possible.

But Rozier becomes a RFA in the summer.

If a team gives Rozier an offer sheet then Celts would have to match or let him go.

He's a sign and trade candidate this offseason - presumably when we'd push our chips into the middle of the table for AD.
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Re: Heat (22-22) at Celtics (28-18) Game #47 1/21/19
« Reply #379 on: January 21, 2019, 08:47:59 PM »

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Folks, we're not trading Rozier at this point, he has no trade value left.

What team in their right mind would give up anything of value for him?

I think teams saw what Rozier did in last year's playoffs.

Rozier played well when he was starting.

He's a different players when he's a bench player.

I'm not discounting that, but at the same time, all he's done this year is show his selfishness.

That, combined with his impending free agency, make his trade value practically nil.  The only value to be had at this point is from simply getting him off the team.

Re: Heat (22-22) at Celtics (28-18) Game #47 1/21/19
« Reply #380 on: January 21, 2019, 08:50:49 PM »

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Folks, we're not trading Rozier at this point, he has no trade value left.

What team in their right mind would give up anything of value for him?

Orlando Magic could trade Augustin + two 2nd rounders for Rozier + Yabusele + Bird.
Augustin would be salary filler in a trade for Davis this summer. No team objects to having Augustin as a back-up PG.

I would actually try to (in a 3-team-trade) get Isaac. Below works for example, where Houston has to compensate Orlando with picks. Actually that trade works out far too well for the Rockets   ::)

Boston in: Augustin, Isaac / out: Rozier, Morris, Bird

Orlando in: Rozier, Knight, Chriss / out: Ross, Augustin

Houston in: Ross, Morris, Bird / out: Knight, Chriss
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Re: Heat (22-22) at Celtics (28-18) Game #47 1/21/19
« Reply #381 on: January 21, 2019, 08:57:14 PM »

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Celts just have too many good players wanting minutes and shots.

If Ainge is saving the assets for AD then trading Rozier is the best way to go.

Rozier becomes a RFA in the summer.
So it's complicated because a team can give Rozier an offer sheet and the Celts would be forced to match.

Moving Rozier now is the ideal scenario.

Save the other pieces for the AD package.

I agree we’d be better off having one less guy. But if we’re trading for AD, presumably we’d be keeping as many good players on the roster as we can—thus keeping Rozier as long as possible.

But Rozier becomes a RFA in the summer.

If a team gives Rozier an offer sheet then Celts would have to match or let him go.

He's a sign and trade candidate this offseason - presumably when we'd push our chips into the middle of the table for AD.
Rozier signing a sign and trade makes it highly unlikely he is included in an AD trade. The Base Year Compensation makes matching salaries extremely difficult to impossible without adding a ton of salary to the deal.

Re: Heat (22-22) at Celtics (28-18) Game #47 1/21/19
« Reply #382 on: January 21, 2019, 08:59:30 PM »

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Celts just have too many good players wanting minutes and shots.

If Ainge is saving the assets for AD then trading Rozier is the best way to go.

Rozier becomes a RFA in the summer.
So it's complicated because a team can give Rozier an offer sheet and the Celts would be forced to match.

Moving Rozier now is the ideal scenario.

Save the other pieces for the AD package.

I agree we’d be better off having one less guy. But if we’re trading for AD, presumably we’d be keeping as many good players on the roster as we can—thus keeping Rozier as long as possible.

But Rozier becomes a RFA in the summer.

If a team gives Rozier an offer sheet then Celts would have to match or let him go.

He's a sign and trade candidate this offseason - presumably when we'd push our chips into the middle of the table for AD.
Rozier signing a sign and trade makes it highly unlikely he is included in an AD trade. The Base Year Compensation makes matching salaries extremely difficult to impossible without adding a ton of salary to the deal.

So then we really have no incentive to keep him. I'll start packing his bags for Orlando.
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Re: Heat (22-22) at Celtics (28-18) Game #47 1/21/19
« Reply #383 on: January 21, 2019, 09:12:51 PM »

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Celts just have too many good players wanting minutes and shots.

If Ainge is saving the assets for AD then trading Rozier is the best way to go.

Rozier becomes a RFA in the summer.
So it's complicated because a team can give Rozier an offer sheet and the Celts would be forced to match.

Moving Rozier now is the ideal scenario.

Save the other pieces for the AD package.

I agree we’d be better off having one less guy. But if we’re trading for AD, presumably we’d be keeping as many good players on the roster as we can—thus keeping Rozier as long as possible.

But Rozier becomes a RFA in the summer.

If a team gives Rozier an offer sheet then Celts would have to match or let him go.

He's a sign and trade candidate this offseason - presumably when we'd push our chips into the middle of the table for AD.

Yes, sign and trade is possible.
But what if the Pels don't want Rozier?

Re: Heat (22-22) at Celtics (28-18) Game #47 1/21/19
« Reply #384 on: January 21, 2019, 09:47:19 PM »

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Folks, we're not trading Rozier at this point, he has no trade value left.

What team in their right mind would give up anything of value for him?

don't have to trade .....JUST don't play his sorry butt.....leave the loser on the bench .....play somebody else .   i hate DA for letting Larkin go,....dumb dumb dumb dumb

Re: Heat (22-22) at Celtics (28-18) Game #47 1/21/19
« Reply #385 on: January 21, 2019, 09:56:36 PM »

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Folks, we're not trading Rozier at this point, he has no trade value left.

What team in their right mind would give up anything of value for him?

don't have to trade .....JUST don't play his sorry butt.....leave the loser on the bench .....play somebody else .   i hate DA for letting Larkin go,....dumb dumb dumb dumb

Dumb? There was 0 way we were gonna keep Larkin. The reason why Larkin signed for cheap last year was as an audition to NBA teams to get a decent paycheck. He didn't get that, and there was no way we can offer what he wants, so he went back to playing overseas where the money is substantially bigger.

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« Reply #386 on: January 21, 2019, 10:39:41 PM »

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A few weeks ago Eddie20 was on my podcast and made the argument that Derrick Jones Jr could theoretically end up a better player than Jaylen Brown: https://youtu.be/gdH3fCuLD70

I sort of laughed it off and called it a flaming hot take but after watching Derrick Jones Jr play against us the last couple matchups, I kinda get where he’s coming from.  Kid could end up really good.

Re: Heat (22-22) at Celtics (28-18) Game #47 1/21/19
« Reply #387 on: January 21, 2019, 10:55:03 PM »

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Rozier is an insurance player

and that is worth more than a 1st round pick at this point  (non top 10)

Yes if packaged with Brown or multiple 1sts can net you a grand prize like Davis... its a no brainer

otherwise Rozier is here just in case a) Irving is out with another injury  b) Irving does not resign

IF Irving is healthy until the playoff ends/signs an extension after this season...... Rozier will just walk

Danny will replace him with one of the 1st round picks and find another PG

Re: Heat (22-22) at Celtics (28-18) Game #47 1/21/19
« Reply #388 on: January 21, 2019, 11:33:04 PM »

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Rozier is an insurance player

and that is worth more than a 1st round pick at this point  (non top 10)

Yes if packaged with Brown or multiple 1sts can net you a grand prize like Davis... its a no brainer

otherwise Rozier is here just in case a) Irving is out with another injury  b) Irving does not resign

IF Irving is healthy until the playoff ends/signs an extension after this season...... Rozier will just walk

Danny will replace him with one of the 1st round picks and find another PG

I think a deal bringing back a player and a pick (not necessarily a 1st) would be ideal. If you can get a guy like DJ Augustin from Orlando and a 2nd, then you have to consider it.
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Re: Heat (22-22) at Celtics (28-18) Game #47 1/21/19
« Reply #389 on: January 21, 2019, 11:51:37 PM »

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This team is still not hitting on all cylinders, but I'll take the win.

Rozier is anti-ball movement. The second he gets his hands on the ball he thinks me. He has talent, but he struggles coming off the bench.

A wins a win.

I’ve said this since his debut in the summer league