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Re: Evan Turner a buyout candidate
« Reply #15 on: January 05, 2020, 09:30:52 PM »

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I'd rather have him over Javonte Green.
green is averaging 7.8 minutes a game, and many of those are garbage time minutes.

what leads you to believe that turner would like to return to the celtics when his minutes would be very limited since he would be playing behind tatum, brown, and hayward?

he is most certainly not a ball handler, so he would not replace wannaker.
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Re: Evan Turner a buyout candidate
« Reply #16 on: January 05, 2020, 09:50:38 PM »

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I'd rather have him over Javonte Green.
green is averaging 7.8 minutes a game, and many of those are garbage time minutes.

what leads you to believe that turner would like to return to the celtics when his minutes would be very limited since he would be playing behind tatum, brown, and hayward?

he is most certainly not a ball handler, so he would not replace wannaker.

ET was in a deep bench role for the Hawks. I'm confident he would be glad to have a similar role for a contender, particularly under Stevens.

He has also mentioned several times over the past two years that he would be interested in returning to the Celtics one day to play for Stevens again.

He's a good guy to have at the end of the bench to use in case of emergency if any of our 4 wings are injured, which seems to be all the time so far this season.
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Re: Evan Turner a buyout candidate
« Reply #17 on: January 05, 2020, 10:34:03 PM »

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Is he an upgrade over Wanamaker at the point / ballhandler / offense-initiator spot?
Yes. That dude can put up stats on any given night. He plays well under Brad too as a versatile swiss army knife.
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He's been far less productive in similar minutes than Wanamaker just last year.
They have different roles in the offense.
Not really.

Both are secondary ballhanders who come off the bench. Evan Turner brings more positional flexibility on the defensive end and better rebounding but that doesn't make up for the massive efficiency gap offensively.

Re: Evan Turner a buyout candidate
« Reply #18 on: January 05, 2020, 10:37:21 PM »

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Since Grant Williams got over his terrible 3 point shooting start, I think he has actually been a decent little offensive player. His stats per game since that made three pointer:

11 games
16.7 mins
5 points
2.3 rebounds
1.3 assists
52.5% FG%
36.8% 3PT%
60% FT%
60.2% TS%

Given most of the time he is the #4 or #5 scoring option while playing, that's pretty good. He is also just a 21 year old rookie and is tremendously versatile and good as a defender. And, yeah, would love a better scorer off the bench but Grant is not a zero on offense. He is becoming very efficient as a scorer and a good passer that can initiate offense for others. I really like his game and potential.
I see very little potential. Even with that stretch he's still at 36fg% as a PF with an avg of 3pts and 2 rebs 1 ast in 15mpg on the year.

Re: Evan Turner a buyout candidate
« Reply #19 on: January 05, 2020, 10:42:42 PM »

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Go look at Avery Bradley's stats his first two years if you think his poor PG stats mean he's got little potential.

Williams isn't going to be a star, but he's already reasonably productive player as a rookie being put in tough defensive role. It is on the defensive end he shines, when he's on the court the C's are really good on that end.

If he can make shots he's going to be in the C's rotation all year, including the playoffs.

Re: Evan Turner a buyout candidate
« Reply #20 on: January 05, 2020, 10:56:28 PM »

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I'd rather have him over Javonte Green.
green is averaging 7.8 minutes a game, and many of those are garbage time minutes.

what leads you to believe that turner would like to return to the celtics when his minutes would be very limited since he would be playing behind tatum, brown, and hayward?

he is most certainly not a ball handler, so he would not replace wannaker.
he's definitely not a shooter and was the secondary ball handler when he was with the club.

at this point in his career, I think the team is better off with Wanamaker and Green over Evans since they can shoot from outside and finish around the basket. 

Re: Evan Turner a buyout candidate
« Reply #21 on: January 05, 2020, 11:22:20 PM »

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I'd rather have him over Javonte Green.
green is averaging 7.8 minutes a game, and many of those are garbage time minutes.

what leads you to believe that turner would like to return to the celtics when his minutes would be very limited since he would be playing behind tatum, brown, and hayward?

he is most certainly not a ball handler, so he would not replace wannaker.

As a deep bench player, I’d much rather have Turner on a playoff roster.  In the event of an injury to any of about 6 players (Walker, Smart, Wanamaker, Hayward, Brown, and Tatum), Turner could slot into the rotation.  And given how the first 3 months of the season have played out, it feels unlikely we’ll make it through the playoffs without missing at least one of the aforementioned on most nightsz. Meanwhile, despite being continually down 1-2 guards and wings in lower leverage regular season games, Javonte still can’t get off the bench.

As for would Turner choose to come to Boston — if he got offered a starting/6th man role somewhere else, I’m sure he’d take it if he felt that offer to be legit. But in the absence of that, he clearly had a very good experience in Boston and a good rapport with Brad, as well as Ainge.  And Stevens did a great job of rehabbing Turner’s free agent value last time around — heading into free agency again, why wouldn’t he want to let Brad show the league how to properly use him?

Re: Evan Turner a buyout candidate
« Reply #22 on: January 06, 2020, 05:39:40 AM »

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Go look at Avery Bradley's stats his first two years if you think his poor PG stats mean he's got little potential.

Williams isn't going to be a star, but he's already reasonably productive player as a rookie being put in tough defensive role. It is on the defensive end he shines, when he's on the court the C's are really good on that end.

If he can make shots he's going to be in the C's rotation all year, including the playoffs.
AB was a physical dynamo and elite defender day one. He was a high prospect coming out of high school who was only 20 years old when drafted. Most would agree GW isn't at AB's level. AB at 21 years old played 21mpg and was 7.6pts 1.8rebs 49fg% and again was an elite defender. GW is at 15mpg 3pts 2rebs 36fg% and is just an average defender.

Re: Evan Turner a buyout candidate
« Reply #23 on: January 06, 2020, 07:53:15 AM »

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oh what the heck ,  might as well bring back old " concrete mitts " too .  :D

Re: Evan Turner a buyout candidate
« Reply #24 on: January 06, 2020, 08:39:42 AM »

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Go look at Avery Bradley's stats his first two years if you think his poor PG stats mean he's got little potential.

Williams isn't going to be a star, but he's already reasonably productive player as a rookie being put in tough defensive role. It is on the defensive end he shines, when he's on the court the C's are really good on that end.

If he can make shots he's going to be in the C's rotation all year, including the playoffs.
AB was a physical dynamo and elite defender day one. He was a high prospect coming out of high school who was only 20 years old when drafted. Most would agree GW isn't at AB's level. AB at 21 years old played 21mpg and was 7.6pts 1.8rebs 49fg% and again was an elite defender. GW is at 15mpg 3pts 2rebs 36fg% and is just an average defender.
Grant Williams is much better than average defender.

Re: Evan Turner a buyout candidate
« Reply #25 on: January 06, 2020, 09:40:03 AM »

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I view Turner the same way as I view Terry Rozier and Marcus Morris.  He want to get his shots first and foremost.

Re: Evan Turner a buyout candidate
« Reply #26 on: January 06, 2020, 09:47:49 AM »

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There is a reason Evan Turner was portrayed as the literal embodiment of inefficient long twos by Game of Zones a while back.
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Re: Evan Turner a buyout candidate
« Reply #27 on: January 06, 2020, 10:04:56 AM »

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If he is ok with spot minutes, I could see him as an upgrade over Green off the bench.   An extra playmaker off the bench when Walker, Hayward or Smart is missing. 


Re: Evan Turner a buyout candidate
« Reply #28 on: January 06, 2020, 10:43:57 AM »

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We need shooting off the bench. So no.

Re: Evan Turner a buyout candidate
« Reply #29 on: February 06, 2020, 05:01:01 PM »

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Bump!