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Re: So perhaps kyrie was sick?
« Reply #210 on: May 03, 2019, 07:42:44 PM »

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Maybe he was sick, but this is not the lowest percentage he has shot in a game this season.  He had 2 separate regular season games with a worse shooting percentage and one of those he took 14 shots making just 2 (so it wasn't a small sample size).  He had 5 separate regular season games this year where he was 30% or worse from the field and in 2 of those games he had 21 shots (making 6) and 17 shots (making 5). 

This also isn't the first time he has been terrible in the playoffs.  His last year in Cleveland he was 4 of 17, 6 of 19, and 7 of 21.  Even one of the finals games he was just 8 of 23.  The year before that when Cleveland won the title he had a lovely 3 of 19 game against the Raptors in the ECF.  He also had 3 separate finals games against the Warriors where he was 7 of 22, 5 of 14, and 7 of 18.  Even that first season where he ended up missing a lot of games, he was pretty bad in 3 games going 2 of 10, 3 of 13, and 3 of 11.  In other words, Kyrie has pretty consistently throughout his playoff runs put up some pretty awful shooting performances.

So yeah there is amazing playoff Kyrie, which we see at times (like game 1), but there is also the playoff Kyrie that is downright terrible (like game 2).  And again maybe he really was sick, or maybe it was just Kyrie being Kyrie and the writers are trying to make excuses for his otherwise poor play.

Do you log a diary entry every time he has a bad shooting night?

The fact is, most players - even elite ones - have bad shooting nights. Kyrie is not immune from that, but he is still one of the most efficient shot makers in the game (his playoff averages are .461 FG/.412 3PTFG /.876 FT with a true shooting percentage of 57%). We can cherry pick stats from an assortment of players.
This is the same argument I made time and time again on here about Rondo.  This board has pretty consistently only examined the great things our players do and pretty widely disregarded the poor things and the inconsistency.  The reason though that that sort of inconsistency matters more for Kyrie, then many other great players, is quite simply because Kyrie doesn't do much else.  He isn't making up for a poor shooting night by playing lights out defense.  He isn't cleaning up the glass and by and large isn't getting others involved with his passing.  If Kyrie doesn't shoot well it is a bad sign for the W/L department, especially against the better teams the C's face in the playoffs.

The bolded part is a partially valid point because Kyrie can make up for a bad shooting night by being a facilitator if he wants,

And he's been a facilitator in these playoffs, he's also giving more effort defensively and has carried over his uptick in rebounding from the regular season - some posters just refuse to admit that. But the thing with being a facilitator is that you can make all the passes you want, guys still need to make shots for it to count, right? Last night was a rough shooting night for everyone (except Morris & Al).
I'm sorry but since when did Kyrie being inconsistent become a thing?  People seem to be disregarding the fact that the poster's entire premise is wrong.
except he is.  These are his FG% in his last 15 games.  Notice, they are all over the map.

43.5
41.4
52.2
29.4
50.0
36.8
42.1
50.0
47.4
35.3
57.7
36.8
30.8
57.1
22.2

This isn't super uncommon of course as players don't shoot the same amount every game, but Kyrie is a bit more extreme than most players (and he also doesn't have the extreme elite games i.e. above 60% nearly as much as someone like Curry).
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Re: So perhaps kyrie was sick?
« Reply #211 on: May 03, 2019, 10:50:09 PM »

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Kyrie sick again? Perhaps?

Re: So perhaps kyrie was sick?
« Reply #212 on: May 03, 2019, 10:51:34 PM »

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Kyrie sick again? Perhaps?

29 points? He didn't look sick with 29 points tonight. The rest of his team and Brad Stevens looked sick tonight though.


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Re: So perhaps kyrie was sick?
« Reply #213 on: May 03, 2019, 10:52:45 PM »

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Under his eyes were super puffy like someone who had bad congestion. He scored a lot but did not look on still.

Re: So perhaps kyrie was sick?
« Reply #214 on: May 03, 2019, 10:54:26 PM »

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Probably sick of carrying this team's offence. Rozier providing literally nothing on offence makes Kyrie's life on that end that much more difficult
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Re: So perhaps kyrie was sick?
« Reply #215 on: May 03, 2019, 10:54:57 PM »

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Kyrie sick again? Perhaps?

29 points? He didn't look sick with 29 points tonight. The rest of his team and Brad Stevens looked sick tonight though.

What impact did he have in the second half of the game? When the game was to be won or lost? Good player but he isn’t an A1 alpha capable of carrying a team.

Re: So perhaps kyrie was sick?
« Reply #216 on: May 03, 2019, 10:56:09 PM »

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Probably sick of carrying this team's offence. Rozier providing literally nothing on offence makes Kyrie's life on that end that much more difficult

Haha! True..he will give Danny an ultimatum or maybe he wont and just goes where he wants to with whom he wants to play. I am not giving up yet but boy these past two games sucked life out of me.

Re: So perhaps kyrie was sick?
« Reply #217 on: May 03, 2019, 10:56:14 PM »

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Kyrie sick again? Perhaps?

29 points? He didn't look sick with 29 points tonight. The rest of his team and Brad Stevens looked sick tonight though.
He had a very strange game.  He came out on fire, but then disappeared for long stretches of the game after that.  He also ended up not shooting all that well at 8 for 22 (36%).  Got to the line finally (and a lot), but wasn't super aggressive in many other areas.  Just a very strange game from Irving overall.  I actually think he was the one starter that underperformed despite being the leader scorer by a pretty wide margin.
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Re: So perhaps kyrie was sick?
« Reply #218 on: May 03, 2019, 10:57:10 PM »

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Kyrie sick again? Perhaps?

29 points? He didn't look sick with 29 points tonight. The rest of his team and Brad Stevens looked sick tonight though.
He had a very strange game.  He came out on fire, but then disappeared for long stretches of the game after that.  He also ended up not shooting all that well at 8 for 22 (36%).  Got to the line finally (and a lot), but wasn't super aggressive in many other areas.  Just a very strange game from Irving overall.  I actually think he was the one starter that underperformed despite being the leader scorer by a pretty wide margin.
I think Brad benching him for so long in the second quarter got him out of rhythm. Which is what Brad does almost all the time to the hot hand, so unsurprising
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Re: So perhaps kyrie was sick?
« Reply #219 on: May 03, 2019, 11:03:08 PM »

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Probably sick of carrying this team's offence. Rozier providing literally nothing on offence makes Kyrie's life on that end that much more difficult

And Gordon.
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Re: So perhaps kyrie was sick?
« Reply #220 on: May 03, 2019, 11:05:17 PM »

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Probably sick of carrying this team's offence. Rozier providing literally nothing on offence makes Kyrie's life on that end that much more difficult

And Gordon.
Tbh our whole bench really. Semi was the only one who exceeded expectations on offence, but he got screwed by garbage calls and got into foul trouble early.
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Re: So perhaps kyrie was sick?
« Reply #221 on: May 03, 2019, 11:07:17 PM »

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Kyrie sick again? Perhaps?

29 points? He didn't look sick with 29 points tonight. The rest of his team and Brad Stevens looked sick tonight though.
He had a very strange game.  He came out on fire, but then disappeared for long stretches of the game after that.  He also ended up not shooting all that well at 8 for 22 (36%).  Got to the line finally (and a lot), but wasn't super aggressive in many other areas.  Just a very strange game from Irving overall.  I actually think he was the one starter that underperformed despite being the leader scorer by a pretty wide margin.
I think Brad benching him for so long in the second quarter got him out of rhythm. Which is what Brad does almost all the time to the hot hand, so unsurprising


If sitting on the bench causes you to lose rhythm you arent a star in this league.

Re: So perhaps kyrie was sick?
« Reply #222 on: May 03, 2019, 11:08:03 PM »

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Kyrie sick again? Perhaps?

29 points? He didn't look sick with 29 points tonight. The rest of his team and Brad Stevens looked sick tonight though.
He had a very strange game.  He came out on fire, but then disappeared for long stretches of the game after that.  He also ended up not shooting all that well at 8 for 22 (36%).  Got to the line finally (and a lot), but wasn't super aggressive in many other areas.  Just a very strange game from Irving overall.  I actually think he was the one starter that underperformed despite being the leader scorer by a pretty wide margin.
I think Brad benching him for so long in the second quarter got him out of rhythm. Which is what Brad does almost all the time to the hot hand, so unsurprising


If sitting on the bench causes you to lose rhythm you arent a star in this league.
How many stars get sat for 8 minutes straight after scoring 13 in 10 minutes?
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Re: So perhaps kyrie was sick?
« Reply #223 on: May 03, 2019, 11:10:40 PM »

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Kyrie sick again? Perhaps?

29 points? He didn't look sick with 29 points tonight. The rest of his team and Brad Stevens looked sick tonight though.
He had a very strange game.  He came out on fire, but then disappeared for long stretches of the game after that.  He also ended up not shooting all that well at 8 for 22 (36%).  Got to the line finally (and a lot), but wasn't super aggressive in many other areas.  Just a very strange game from Irving overall.  I actually think he was the one starter that underperformed despite being the leader scorer by a pretty wide margin.
I think Brad benching him for so long in the second quarter got him out of rhythm. Which is what Brad does almost all the time to the hot hand, so unsurprising


If sitting on the bench causes you to lose rhythm you arent a star in this league.
How many stars get sat for 8 minutes straight after scoring 13 in 10 minutes?

I don't care. If you are a superstar no excuses. Play better. I'm not saying Stevens is perfect, but after the way Kyrie played last game he doesn't get excuses. Play better, dish more than 6 assists. Dont get stripped over an over or pinned against the baseline.

Re: So perhaps kyrie was sick?
« Reply #224 on: May 03, 2019, 11:18:13 PM »

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Kyrie sick again? Perhaps?

29 points? He didn't look sick with 29 points tonight. The rest of his team and Brad Stevens looked sick tonight though.
He had a very strange game.  He came out on fire, but then disappeared for long stretches of the game after that.  He also ended up not shooting all that well at 8 for 22 (36%).  Got to the line finally (and a lot), but wasn't super aggressive in many other areas.  Just a very strange game from Irving overall.  I actually think he was the one starter that underperformed despite being the leader scorer by a pretty wide margin.
I think Brad benching him for so long in the second quarter got him out of rhythm. Which is what Brad does almost all the time to the hot hand, so unsurprising


If sitting on the bench causes you to lose rhythm you arent a star in this league.
How many stars get sat for 8 minutes straight after scoring 13 in 10 minutes?

I don't care. If you are a superstar no excuses. Play better. I'm not saying Stevens is perfect, but after the way Kyrie played last game he doesn't get excuses. Play better, dish more than 6 assists. Dont get stripped over an over or pinned against the baseline.
I think giving excuses and having an appreciation and understanding of context are very different things
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