Celtics Regular Season News

[Donoghus]

Hoopshype says Drummond almost went to Philly, but Chicago wanted three #2s.

Can't blame Chicago for trying.

[Moranis]

Hoopshype says Drummond almost went to Philly, but Chicago wanted three #2s.

Can't blame Chicago for trying.
[/quoteSure, but they should have lowered the cost and moved him when they didnt get 3. 

[Moranis]

Drummond is the kind of guy for the Celtics who wouldn't play much, but in a series against Embiid, Jokic, etc. he'd be great to have as another big body to lean into those type players and help wear them out.  Boston again not using a TPE and some 2nd round picks, when they are so close is so frustrating.  Use the assets and go all in.

[Phantom255x]

Drummond is the kind of guy for the Celtics who wouldn't play much, but in a series against Embiid, Jokic, etc. he'd be great to have as another big body to lean into those type players and help wear them out.  Boston again not using a TPE and some 2nd round picks, when they are so close is so frustrating.  Use the assets and go all in.

I agree but if CHI was asking for three 2nd rounders I'm fine passing on that.

I think Tillman can be that 3rd guy who can body up against Embiid/Jokic/Giannis/Bam though. He was solid for MEM last year even in the playoffs, he wasn't the problem and did the best he could, it's just MEM lost their entire frontcourt to injury at the end of the season.

[Who]

Tillman > Drummond

[Roy H.]

Drummond is the kind of guy for the Celtics who wouldn't play much, but in a series against Embiid, Jokic, etc. he'd be great to have as another big body to lean into those type players and help wear them out.  Boston again not using a TPE and some 2nd round picks, when they are so close is so frustrating.  Use the assets and go all in.

If Drummond didn't play much, he would pout and lose focus. 

[mobilija]

Drummond is the kind of guy for the Celtics who wouldn't play much, but in a series against Embiid, Jokic, etc. he'd be great to have as another big body to lean into those type players and help wear them out.  Boston again not using a TPE and some 2nd round picks, when they are so close is so frustrating.  Use the assets and go all in.

If Drummond didn't play much, he would pout and lose focus.

I tend to agree. He’d be Subtraction by addition. He’s not better enuff than the other players at his position. Tillman better, Kornet may be better all around and gels with team. So he’s battling to be the 4th or 5th big?

U add a guy with the off chance that might help u in a playoff game when there’s also a chance he actually creates negative value in the locker room or even trouble meshing in the court.

[liam]

Drummond is the kind of guy for the Celtics who wouldn't play much, but in a series against Embiid, Jokic, etc. he'd be great to have as another big body to lean into those type players and help wear them out.  Boston again not using a TPE and some 2nd round picks, when they are so close is so frustrating.  Use the assets and go all in.

If Drummond didn't play much, he would pout and lose focus.

Drummond is unplayable in meaningful games due to his free-throw shooting. Also, Drummond can't or won't defend.

[Roy H.]

[dannyboy35]

Drummond is the kind of guy for the Celtics who wouldn't play much, but in a series against Embiid, Jokic, etc. he'd be great to have as another big body to lean into those type players and help wear them out.  Boston again not using a TPE and some 2nd round picks, when they are so close is so frustrating.  Use the assets and go all in.

If Drummond didn't play much, he would pout and lose focus.

Drummond is unplayable in meaningful games due to his free-throw shooting. Also, Drummond can't or won't defend.

  I don’t want Drummond but he’s about 56 percent from the foul line. Tillman is waaaaaay worse at 42 percent. You never want him at the line at any time.

[Vermont Green]

It is true that Tillman has his own issues from the FT line but I really don't have much interest in Drummond.  Drummond hasn't been good on either end of the court for years.

For Tillman, I think his career averages are a pretty good indication of what we can expect from him, no necessarily this seasons stats.  He is a career 57% FT shooter.  Not good.  A real issue.  He is 52% from the field overall and 26% from 3.  He will get his dunks and put backs, but you can't expect much more.  He averages 1.5 ORebs and 2.7 DRebs to go with about 6 pts in about 18 min per game.

Offensive rebounds are an underrated stat in my mind.  Those are extra possessions, kind of the opposite of turnovers.

Tillman has played in 18 post season games in 3 seasons and has started 12.  Last post season, he played over 30 min per game in 6 games, forced into that role due to injuries.  Overall, 9 pts, 8 rebs, 3 assists in the post season last season.  I predict that he emerges ahead of Kornet on the depth chart but still probably pretty limited post season minutes as we continue to play small with an extra guard over a second big.  I hope he gets to play regularly for the rest of the regular season though.  Based on his career in MEM, he should be able to play on par with Pritchard or Hauser, but can offer a very different role.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

It is true that Tillman has his own issues from the FT line but I really don't have much interest in Drummond.  Drummond hasn't been good on either end of the court for years.

For Tillman, I think his career averages are a pretty good indication of what we can expect from him, no necessarily this seasons stats.  He is a career 57% FT shooter.  Not good.  A real issue.  He is 52% from the field overall and 26% from 3.  He will get his dunks and put backs, but you can't expect much more.  He averages 1.5 ORebs and 2.7 DRebs to go with about 6 pts in about 18 min per game.

Offensive rebounds are an underrated stat in my mind.  Those are extra possessions, kind of the opposite of turnovers.

Tillman has played in 18 post season games in 3 seasons and has started 12.  Last post season, he played over 30 min per game in 6 games, forced into that role due to injuries.  Overall, 9 pts, 8 rebs, 3 assists in the post season last season.  I predict that he emerges ahead of Kornet on the depth chart but still probably pretty limited post season minutes as we continue to play small with an extra guard over a second big.  I hope he gets to play regularly for the rest of the regular season though.  Based on his career in MEM, he should be able to play on par with Pritchard or Hauser, but can offer a very different role.

Offensive rebounds being the opposite of turnovers is an interesting way to view it, but much like a defender "cheating" on passing lanes to get steals, but compromising the team defense in the process, I think offensive rebounds could be viewed similarly.

Getting extra possessions is valuable, but a quick and easy way to combat them is for defenses to take advantage of those offensive rebounders by beating them down the court when they are out of position, which opens up runs to the rim and three pointers.

[Goldstar88]

Tatum meeting Bird for the first time. Cool to see..

https://m.youtube.com/shorts/5YnMrxiITb8

[Silas]

Tatum meeting Bird for the first time. Cool to see..

https://m.youtube.com/shorts/5YnMrxiITb8

So Bird used to be 6'9".  JT looks at a minimum 1" taller standing next to Bird.  So JT is 6'10".....stop the crap that he is 6'8".

[Vermont Green]

It is true that Tillman has his own issues from the FT line but I really don't have much interest in Drummond.  Drummond hasn't been good on either end of the court for years.

For Tillman, I think his career averages are a pretty good indication of what we can expect from him, no necessarily this seasons stats.  He is a career 57% FT shooter.  Not good.  A real issue.  He is 52% from the field overall and 26% from 3.  He will get his dunks and put backs, but you can't expect much more.  He averages 1.5 ORebs and 2.7 DRebs to go with about 6 pts in about 18 min per game.

Offensive rebounds are an underrated stat in my mind.  Those are extra possessions, kind of the opposite of turnovers.

Tillman has played in 18 post season games in 3 seasons and has started 12.  Last post season, he played over 30 min per game in 6 games, forced into that role due to injuries.  Overall, 9 pts, 8 rebs, 3 assists in the post season last season.  I predict that he emerges ahead of Kornet on the depth chart but still probably pretty limited post season minutes as we continue to play small with an extra guard over a second big.  I hope he gets to play regularly for the rest of the regular season though.  Based on his career in MEM, he should be able to play on par with Pritchard or Hauser, but can offer a very different role.

Offensive rebounds being the opposite of turnovers is an interesting way to view it, but much like a defender "cheating" on passing lanes to get steals, but compromising the team defense in the process, I think offensive rebounds could be viewed similarly.

Getting extra possessions is valuable, but a quick and easy way to combat them is for defenses to take advantage of those offensive rebounders by beating them down the court when they are out of position, which opens up runs to the rim and three pointers.

I agree with you in terms of steals.  That can be a misleading stat.  For every steal, there may be a possession that ends with a missed steal and an easy basket for the other team.  ORebs to me are not the same, especially for a player like Tillman.  You can't have all 5 over committing for ORebs every possession but you also don't want to just concede the rebound. 

A guy like Tillman can hang around for the OReb and not get beat back down the court.  That ins't to say he should recklessly crash every possession, it depends on where he is on the court, who he is supposed to cover, is someone else already under the basket.  But I feel ORebs are an important stat, both ways.  Just like turnovers.