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C's Third best offense from Nylon Calculus
« on: August 11, 2017, 03:37:12 PM »

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https://fansided.com/2017/08/10/nylon-calculus-three-models-project-best-offenses/

 Percent of minutes given to Rough Riders, which includes players like Noah Vonleh and Omer Asik, are the most detrimental, followed by Average Point Guards, Average Wings and Typical Bigs. Other than the Gods, Offensive Playmakers and All Around Bigs are the most valuable offensive players to have on the court. At the very bottom I have some examples of each Player Type from last year.

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« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2017, 03:40:16 PM »

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Using those three models and the projected rosters as of today, I was able to make preliminary prediction on the most efficient offenses for next year. Sit down folks; I think the Warriors and the Rockets are going to have pretty good offenses this year.


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« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2017, 05:03:42 PM »

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I can see the Celtics as the 3rd best offense this season. They were 8th in the league last year and they brought in the #1 option on a 50-win playoff team. Add in growth from Jaylen and Marcus, the upgrade in consistency from Olynyk to Morris, and whatever Tatum (the most polished offensive player in the draft), I can see them being real good.
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« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2017, 07:42:30 PM »

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I'd like to see one of these relating to defense too.

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« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2017, 01:26:28 AM »

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Boston and Minnesota might be surprises to many people being this high. One aspect is that the Player Type ‘Gods’ is binary, so that Gordon Hayward counts as much as Steph Curry, even though not all Basketball Gods are actually equal.

This seems like a pretty big deficiency in the model.


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« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2017, 05:00:57 AM »

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Boston and Minnesota might be surprises to many people being this high. One aspect is that the Player Type ‘Gods’ is binary, so that Gordon Hayward counts as much as Steph Curry, even though not all Basketball Gods are actually equal.

This seems like a pretty big deficiency in the model.
That is huge.  It also says Minnesota did well because they avoided Typical Bigs and Average PGs.  So what are Dieng and Teague classified as?  Crowder is listed as defensive guard. 

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The most interesting item in this article is this link at the bottom on lineups.  The Wizards starting 5 played nearly 500 minutes more together than the next most 5-man lineup during the regular season.  Only 9 5-man lineups played more than 500 minutes together.  Our starting 5 played 432.9 minutes together which was 13th most.  At the opposite end, the Sixers only 2 5-man lineups that played over 100 minutes together were only at:  114.5 and 102.4.   

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/lineup_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&lineup_type=5-man&output=per_min&is_playoffs=N&year_id=2017&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&order_by=mp

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I can believe this.

This Celtics Team - as presently constructed - will be SO MUCH  FUN to watch next season.

If opponents could barely stop our King of the Fourth when he was our primary option then adding The Haymaker into the mix will be POTENT.....

This is not to even mention Big Al's versatility AND the offensive potential in Jason Tatum AND Jaylen's continued development.

Gordon Hayward's going to open up SO MANY otions for this team  now...

I know that the Wiz won't be slouches and neither will CLE (they're a complete wildcard with the Kyrie nonsense, though).

Toronto will still be a challenge, I believe.

But THIS Celtics Team will be SO MUCH FUN. I can't wait until October.

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« Reply #11 on: August 12, 2017, 10:42:15 AM »

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Boston and Minnesota might be surprises to many people being this high. One aspect is that the Player Type ‘Gods’ is binary, so that Gordon Hayward counts as much as Steph Curry, even though not all Basketball Gods are actually equal.

This seems like a pretty big deficiency in the model.

Actually he's averaging the results of three different models.

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Boston and Minnesota might be surprises to many people being this high. One aspect is that the Player Type ‘Gods’ is binary, so that Gordon Hayward counts as much as Steph Curry, even though not all Basketball Gods are actually equal.

This seems like a pretty big deficiency in the model.


They didn't consider Melo god tier. I wonder if they do once hes on the Rockets

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Boston and Minnesota might be surprises to many people being this high. One aspect is that the Player Type ‘Gods’ is binary, so that Gordon Hayward counts as much as Steph Curry, even though not all Basketball Gods are actually equal.

This seems like a pretty big deficiency in the model.

Actually he's averaging the results of three different models.

If two of those models consider Hayward the equivalent of Lebron, the whole result is broken, wouldn't you agree?

The "player types" models are basically junk. If the methodology doesn't convince you, the results should. Do you think that Minnesota will have the best offense in the NBA next year? Do you think that we will essentially be tied with Golden State? That's what the player type model predicts.

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