2003 Steroid list leaked (D&C is reporting)

[rickyfan3.0...]

I know I posted the list, but I am 90% sure it's a fake. It seems like a composite of educated guesses.

D&C reported it so I googled "2003 steroid list leaked" and a few sites came up. Yes, I am quite resourceful.

Varitek would be on the list if it were real.

[BigDanz2000]

4 games in Football is a 1/4 of the season.  

While 50 games in Baseball is about a 1/3 of the season.  The punishment between the 2 is fairly comparable.

I am done with who is on the list and who is not on the list.  I do not care anymore.  It was in the past and its done and over with.  Baseball needs to move on and the sport as a whole needs to accept what happened and take equal blame, the commissioners, owners and players.  The subject is tiring and boring.

[Rondo2287]

4 games in Football is a 1/4 of the season.  

While 50 games in Baseball is about a 1/3 of the season.  The punishment between the 2 is fairly comparable.

I am done with who is on the list and who is not on the list.  I do not care anymore.  It was in the past and its done and over with.  Baseball needs to move on and the sport as a whole needs to accept what happened and take equal blame, the commissioners, owners and players.  The subject is tiring and boring.

Looks alot like my last post....

[winsomme]

one more reason why I'm done with baseball for the foreseeable future

Ya cause everybody is clean in basketball.  Dwight isnt on anything

baseball was always a distant 3rd anyway

I've stuck with football despite steroids and spygate

I'll stick with basketball when someone's finally caught

The NFL probably had BY FAR the most abusers, yet people on the whole, seem to either think A) they're clean or B) they don't care.  NFL players have a closer resemblance to WWE "performers" than they do actual athletes.

At least the NFL wasn't sketchy and had a testing policy with corresponding punishment to give them 100% more credibility than the MLB.  That's the real issue...not which players used and which didn't.  It's not breaking the rules if the rules don't exist!

my theory on why baseball is treated different than any other sport is that when this all started it was almost exclusively a Barry Bonds issue.

He was the poster boy for steroids in baseball and since he was almost universally disliked everybody in the media came down hard on him and how terrible it was for him to have cheated.

then it started coming out that steroids was probably used by most of the best players and the media had already dug a hole for itself. To not criticize every other steroid user just as they had done with Bonds would have been completely hypocritical. Thus, they created a never-ending story of their own making.

I bet many regret it now because you can see how uninterested baseball reporters are in this story at this point.

[ma11l]

IF this is true, Yankee fans will get what they've always wanted, Pedro and Ortiz caught with roids.  Luckily we've got someone who i didn't expect to throw right back in their face; Aaron Freakin Boone.


Who would've thought he was on roids.  He should've gotten his money back from whoever gave them to him.

[Birdbrain]

4 games in Football is a 1/4 of the season.  

While 50 games in Baseball is about a 1/3 of the season.  The punishment between the 2 is fairly comparable.

I am done with who is on the list and who is not on the list.  I do not care anymore.  It was in the past and its done and over with.  Baseball needs to move on and the sport as a whole needs to accept what happened and take equal blame, the commissioners, owners and players.  The subject is tiring and boring.

You mean they should move on when it's actually clean?

[crownsy]

4 games in Football is a 1/4 of the season.  

While 50 games in Baseball is about a 1/3 of the season.  The punishment between the 2 is fairly comparable.

I am done with who is on the list and who is not on the list.  I do not care anymore.  It was in the past and its done and over with.  Baseball needs to move on and the sport as a whole needs to accept what happened and take equal blame, the commissioners, owners and players.  The subject is tiring and boring.

You mean they should move on when it's actually clean?

I think the vast majority of baseball is clean at this point, testing is to good (see rameriz, manny)

your never going to get all the way clean, in any sport. cheating is part of every sport, micky mantle used greenies and horse testosterone, but we don't talk about that, even though it was pretty much primitive steroid use.

you can see that in how it's going back to being a young man's game with HR numbers more in the 40's range, as it was back in the 70's and 80's.

It's no coincidence power has plummeted among the +30 crowd and all of the sudden baseball is littered with young star hitters.

[bostonfan23]

Derek Lowe? Please.

[Donoghus]

Derek Lowe? Please.

Well, it depends if Captain Morgan qualifies as a steroid...

[Fafnir]

one more reason why I'm done with baseball for the foreseeable future

Ya cause everybody is clean in basketball.  Dwight isnt on anything

baseball was always a distant 3rd anyway

I've stuck with football despite steroids and spygate

I'll stick with basketball when someone's finally caught

The NFL probably had BY FAR the most abusers, yet people on the whole, seem to either think A) they're clean or B) they don't care.  NFL players have a closer resemblance to WWE "performers" than they do actual athletes.

At least the NFL wasn't sketchy and had a testing policy with corresponding punishment to give them 100% more credibility than the MLB.  That's the real issue...not which players used and which didn't.  It's not breaking the rules if the rules don't exist!

my theory on why baseball is treated different than any other sport is that when this all started it was almost exclusively a Barry Bonds issue.

He was the poster boy for steroids in baseball and since he was almost universally disliked everybody in the media came down hard on him and how terrible it was for him to have cheated.

then it started coming out that steroids was probably used by most of the best players and the media had already dug a hole for itself. To not criticize every other steroid user just as they had done with Bonds would have been completely hypocritical. Thus, they created a never-ending story of their own making.

I bet many regret it now because you can see how uninterested baseball reporters are in this story at this point.

Its the records, baseball loves its numbers and milestones. Baseball fans will debate forever about who is HoF worthy, they stage virtual contests between past and present players. Steriods screws this all up, that is why it became such a big deal.

[BigDanz2000]

4 games in Football is a 1/4 of the season.  

While 50 games in Baseball is about a 1/3 of the season.  The punishment between the 2 is fairly comparable.

I am done with who is on the list and who is not on the list.  I do not care anymore.  It was in the past and its done and over with.  Baseball needs to move on and the sport as a whole needs to accept what happened and take equal blame, the commissioners, owners and players.  The subject is tiring and boring.

You mean they should move on when it's actually clean?

Will the sport ever really be clean?  Its time to move on.  Steroids happened, the players union knew, the owners knew, all the players knew.  You cannot erase the past and Baseball needs to acknowledge the fact it happened instead of passing the blame from players, to unions, to owners, to revenue.  The subject will of course continue on until every sheep has been shaved of its wool.  Baseball needs to bury it and make sure that it never happens again.  Lesson learned.

[Hoyo de Monterrey]

There are some guys on this list that are somewhat ridiculous sounding to me... Pedro, for example, was rail-thin and derived much of his pitching ability from his freakishly long fingers. I don't know if actual steroids would have helped him... Maybe HGH to recover from injury quicker, but it was my understanding that it was a steroid only list.

Also, guys with builds that would surprise me on the list include Pedro, Lowe, Sandy Alomar, Brent Abernathy, Craig Monroe, Randy Winn, Fernando Tatis, Robbie Alomar, and Corey Patterson(!), but then again, nothing would surprise me anymore. The whole era is completely tainted, and the only reason I still take pride in the 2004 and 2007 WS titles is because I know everyone else was doing it too so it still was a level playing field.

Also, does anyone surprise you less then Geoff Jenkins, Jeromy Burnitz, and Richie Sexson?  

[winsomme]

one more reason why I'm done with baseball for the foreseeable future

Ya cause everybody is clean in basketball.  Dwight isnt on anything

baseball was always a distant 3rd anyway

I've stuck with football despite steroids and spygate

I'll stick with basketball when someone's finally caught

The NFL probably had BY FAR the most abusers, yet people on the whole, seem to either think A) they're clean or B) they don't care.  NFL players have a closer resemblance to WWE "performers" than they do actual athletes.

At least the NFL wasn't sketchy and had a testing policy with corresponding punishment to give them 100% more credibility than the MLB.  That's the real issue...not which players used and which didn't.  It's not breaking the rules if the rules don't exist!

my theory on why baseball is treated different than any other sport is that when this all started it was almost exclusively a Barry Bonds issue.

He was the poster boy for steroids in baseball and since he was almost universally disliked everybody in the media came down hard on him and how terrible it was for him to have cheated.

then it started coming out that steroids was probably used by most of the best players and the media had already dug a hole for itself. To not criticize every other steroid user just as they had done with Bonds would have been completely hypocritical. Thus, they created a never-ending story of their own making.

I bet many regret it now because you can see how uninterested baseball reporters are in this story at this point.

Its the records, baseball loves its numbers and milestones. Baseball fans will debate forever about who is HoF worthy, they stage virtual contests between past and present players. Steriods screws this all up, that is why it became such a big deal.

I don't agree. that's not a reason to care about steroids more in one sport than in another. All the sports have HOFs and records...

you either are outraged by steroids in all sports or none. I think the media created a runaway train with the whole Barry Bonds story. It was a very sensational story, but once they set the bar for Bonds, they had to hold everybody else to it...

IMO one of the only baseball guys who was straight on this was Mike Schmidt. He said something along the lines of: this was an era of baseball and he can't say for sure if he played in it he wouldn't have tried to use it too...

I agree with the poster who said it's time to move on from this. PEDs are still in all the sports, unfortunately. but the testing is in place now, so that's about as good as you are going to get.

[Fafnir]

one more reason why I'm done with baseball for the foreseeable future

Ya cause everybody is clean in basketball.  Dwight isnt on anything

baseball was always a distant 3rd anyway

I've stuck with football despite steroids and spygate

I'll stick with basketball when someone's finally caught

The NFL probably had BY FAR the most abusers, yet people on the whole, seem to either think A) they're clean or B) they don't care.  NFL players have a closer resemblance to WWE "performers" than they do actual athletes.

At least the NFL wasn't sketchy and had a testing policy with corresponding punishment to give them 100% more credibility than the MLB.  That's the real issue...not which players used and which didn't.  It's not breaking the rules if the rules don't exist!

my theory on why baseball is treated different than any other sport is that when this all started it was almost exclusively a Barry Bonds issue.

He was the poster boy for steroids in baseball and since he was almost universally disliked everybody in the media came down hard on him and how terrible it was for him to have cheated.

then it started coming out that steroids was probably used by most of the best players and the media had already dug a hole for itself. To not criticize every other steroid user just as they had done with Bonds would have been completely hypocritical. Thus, they created a never-ending story of their own making.

I bet many regret it now because you can see how uninterested baseball reporters are in this story at this point.

Its the records, baseball loves its numbers and milestones. Baseball fans will debate forever about who is HoF worthy, they stage virtual contests between past and present players. Steriods screws this all up, that is why it became such a big deal.

I don't agree. that's not a reason to care about steroids more in one sport than in another. All the sports have HOFs and records...

you either are outraged by steroids in all sports or none. I think the media created a runaway train with the whole Barry Bonds story. It was a very sensational story, but once they set the bar for Bonds, they had to hold everybody else to it...

I think its silly tell people what they can be outraged by.

Most sports don't have the history and tradition that baseball does, especially with the numbers. Sportswriters and whole generations of fans grew up with baseball primarily through the radio and by reading boxscores. Baseball also lends it self to statistics because it is at it's heart an individual sport. Especially between a pitcher and a batter.

[winsomme]

one more reason why I'm done with baseball for the foreseeable future

Ya cause everybody is clean in basketball.  Dwight isnt on anything

baseball was always a distant 3rd anyway

I've stuck with football despite steroids and spygate

I'll stick with basketball when someone's finally caught

The NFL probably had BY FAR the most abusers, yet people on the whole, seem to either think A) they're clean or B) they don't care.  NFL players have a closer resemblance to WWE "performers" than they do actual athletes.

At least the NFL wasn't sketchy and had a testing policy with corresponding punishment to give them 100% more credibility than the MLB.  That's the real issue...not which players used and which didn't.  It's not breaking the rules if the rules don't exist!

my theory on why baseball is treated different than any other sport is that when this all started it was almost exclusively a Barry Bonds issue.

He was the poster boy for steroids in baseball and since he was almost universally disliked everybody in the media came down hard on him and how terrible it was for him to have cheated.

then it started coming out that steroids was probably used by most of the best players and the media had already dug a hole for itself. To not criticize every other steroid user just as they had done with Bonds would have been completely hypocritical. Thus, they created a never-ending story of their own making.

I bet many regret it now because you can see how uninterested baseball reporters are in this story at this point.

Its the records, baseball loves its numbers and milestones. Baseball fans will debate forever about who is HoF worthy, they stage virtual contests between past and present players. Steriods screws this all up, that is why it became such a big deal.

I don't agree. that's not a reason to care about steroids more in one sport than in another. All the sports have HOFs and records...

you either are outraged by steroids in all sports or none. I think the media created a runaway train with the whole Barry Bonds story. It was a very sensational story, but once they set the bar for Bonds, they had to hold everybody else to it...

I think its silly tell people what they can be outraged by.

Most sports don't have the history and tradition that baseball does, especially with the numbers. Sportswriters and whole generations of fans grew up with baseball primarily through the radio and by reading boxscores. Baseball also lends it self to statistics because it is at it's heart an individual sport. Especially between a pitcher and a batter.

people can obviously be outraged by whatever they want. but if poeple's outrage differs from one sport to another, they are being hypocritical IMO.