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Offline CF033

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I've had great results following an 18:6 intermittent fasting routine mixed with weight training. That is I eat all my food for the day in a 6 hour window then fast for 18 hours (water only). I eat about 2100 calories in the 6 hour window.

Fat just melts off and it's really easy to stick to. There are lots of other health benefits too.

I intermittently do intermittent fasting and I feel my absolute best when I do. I basically cut carbs and restrict eating to a 6-8 hour window. I try to make sure I get enough fiber so I take in a lot of leafy greens and flax seeds. Meat fills in the rest (beef, chicken, pork, eggs, seafood). I will sometimes allow cheese or yogurt, but feel better when I don't.

My main obstacle to this lifestyle is that it doesn't work with others and there's constant pressure to eat and drink with them and I have a weakness for craft beer in the evening.

Same here, I feel better all around while fasting. I hear you though it can be tough to keep it up if you have friends or family that want to hang out and eat/drink outside your fasting window. I've tinkered around and found that my favorite way to fast is to eat between 7:30AM and 1:30PM but that hard to keep up when people want to go out for dinner so I keep my window from 1:30PM to 7:30PM to accommodate for the occasions of dinner.

For food I pretty much stick with chicken, beef, eggs, guac, etc. Chipotle works really well as long as it's a bowl and I leave out the rice.

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Btw Keto does not excuse to eat steak or pork chop with salad everyday

Fish and other fat/protein sources work as well

I don't know that anyone needs an excuse.

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Btw Keto does not excuse to eat steak or pork chop with salad everyday

Fish and other fat/protein sources work as well

It kind of seems you have no explanation for what you are saying. Have you actually studied nutrition at all? You want to cite any reasoning or anything beyond "cause i said so"

This is based on 51k people

CONCLUSION:
Moderate meat consumption, up to ~100 g/day, was not associated with increased mortality from ischemic heart disease, stroke or total cardiovascular disease among either gender.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22333876

If you start talking about processed meats and certain forms of preparation this stuff changes a lot. There is a lot of propaganda that has demonized meat. It is disappointing.

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I don't really get why people think that a grass fed free range red meat is bad for your from a nutrition standpoint. There is tons and tons of data showing this is a very healthy food for a human being to consume.

Now the ethical and environmental impact are completely different arguments, but acting like properly raised red meat is bad for your is just complete bs propaganda.

Grass fed helps but its not about that ... the main reason daily meat intake is bad for the body/heart

Hence this topic about Danny

There really is not evidence of this. Have you looked into the science behind a keto diet at all? The problem is not the red meat, it is combining the read meat with sugar and carbohydrates. It is disappointing how much false nutrition information has been put out that people think they know completely false things as fact.

Cooked daily intake of red meat is bad for you

Trying to defend this is.... is meat in your blood talking

Yes combining it with carbs etc makes it even worst

Do you have actual evidence of that? Just saying the same thing over and over is not the same as giving evidence to support your points
I'm bitter.

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Red meat is generally safe to eat; in moderation.

I do know that red meat is the leading cause of pollution, and wasteful resources. It generally puts a strain on the environment to process red meat.

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Researchers have identified another reason to limit red meat consumption: high levels of a gut-generated chemical called trimethylamine N-oxide (TMAO), that also is linked to heart disease. Scientists found that people who eat a diet rich in red meat have triple the TMAO levels of those who eat a diet rich in either white meat or mostly plant-based proteins, but discontinuation of red meat eventually lowers those TMAO levels.

TMAO is a dietary byproduct that is formed by gut bacteria during digestion and is derived in part from nutrients that are abundant in red meat. While high saturated fat levels in red meat have long been known to contribute to heart disease—the leading cause of death in the United States—a growing number of studies have identified TMAO as another culprit. Until now, researchers knew little about how typical dietary patterns influence TMAO production or elimination.

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/study-links-frequent-red-meat-consumption-high-levels-chemical-associated-heart-disease
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Red meat is generally safe to eat; in moderation.

I do know that red meat is the leading cause of pollution, and wasteful resources. It generally puts a strain on the environment to process red meat.

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Researchers have identified another reason to limit red meat consumption: high levels of a gut-generated chemical called trimethylamine N-oxide (TMAO), that also is linked to heart disease. Scientists found that people who eat a diet rich in red meat have triple the TMAO levels of those who eat a diet rich in either white meat or mostly plant-based proteins, but discontinuation of red meat eventually lowers those TMAO levels.

TMAO is a dietary byproduct that is formed by gut bacteria during digestion and is derived in part from nutrients that are abundant in red meat. While high saturated fat levels in red meat have long been known to contribute to heart disease—the leading cause of death in the United States—a growing number of studies have identified TMAO as another culprit. Until now, researchers knew little about how typical dietary patterns influence TMAO production or elimination.

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/study-links-frequent-red-meat-consumption-high-levels-chemical-associated-heart-disease

I mean to be honest we could sit here and talk about just about any food you could eat besides raw green vegetables and find something wrong with them. Plant-based diet what do you end up eating gluten? soy?

Outside of sugar though you can find a way to make just about any whole food fit in a diet and be really healthy. I just hate seeing people blindly demonizing meat based on propaganda that has been put out by lobbying groups. I have seen similar things, but will watch this king corn documentary. Suggest others do. Its important to know the history on this stuff and not just blindly start giving nutrition advice to others. 

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Anybody try Beyond meat or impossible burger yet?

I think that the Beyond Burger is pretty tasty but what do I know. I haven't eaten a real hamburger for about 30 years.

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Just came back from an annual check up myself and was told that my cholesterol was slightly high.  Not going vegetarian but I certainly need to start watching what I eat.  I'm not as young as I used to be (almost 50).

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Anybody try Beyond meat or impossible burger yet?
Don't those have a ton of sodium in them?

I believe that they do. Not really a problem for me. I only eat one as an occasional treat.

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Btw Keto does not excuse to eat steak or pork chop with salad everyday

Fish and other fat/protein sources work as well

It kind of seems you have no explanation for what you are saying. Have you actually studied nutrition at all? You want to cite any reasoning or anything beyond "cause i said so"

This is based on 51k people

CONCLUSION:
Moderate meat consumption, up to ~100 g/day, was not associated with increased mortality from ischemic heart disease, stroke or total cardiovascular disease among either gender.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22333876

If you start talking about processed meats and certain forms of preparation this stuff changes a lot. There is a lot of propaganda that has demonized meat. It is disappointing.

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/risk-red-meat

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A new study adds to the evidence that eating red meat on a regular basis may shorten your lifespan. The findings suggest that meat eaters might help improve their health by substituting other healthy protein sources for some of the red meat they eat.

Past research has tied red meat to increased risks of diabetes, ....

Im not going to dwelve into this topic further because it becomes like religion

Small amount of meat is probably ok... but lets be real thats not how people eat meat ....especially NA diet

End of the day hope Dannys health improves

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Long distance cyclist here, with osteoarthritis in both knees. No strong feelings about meat.

When I switched to a vegetarian diet, a couple of things happened. The amount of inflamation in my knees decreased dramatically. Also, my recovery time after a long ride shrunk.

I'm not a good vegan because I gotta have dairy in my cappuccino. Also I don't want to live in a world where I can't put Parmigiano-Reggiano on my pasta.

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Long distance cyclist here, with osteoarthritis in both knees. No strong feelings about meat.

When I switched to a vegetarian diet, a couple of things happened. The amount of inflamation in my knees decreased dramatically. Also, my recovery time after a long ride shrunk.

I'm not a good vegan because I gotta have dairy in my cappuccino. Also I don't want to live in a world where I can't put Parmigiano-Reggiano on my pasta.

Nice improvement. I felt similar benefits

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Long distance cyclist here, with osteoarthritis in both knees. No strong feelings about meat.

When I switched to a vegetarian diet, a couple of things happened. The amount of inflamation in my knees decreased dramatically. Also, my recovery time after a long ride shrunk.

I'm not a good vegan because I gotta have dairy in my cappuccino. Also I don't want to live in a world where I can't put Parmigiano-Reggiano on my pasta.

Nice improvement. I felt similar benefits

Agree with you both (long distance runner here). I do love pizza and the occasional ice cream cone, but try to consume less dairy than I used to, as well.
« Last Edit: May 24, 2019, 10:56:09 PM by jambr380 »

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Keto has a lot of medical evidence for both weight loss and including the bodies biomarkers. That diet has a ton of meat. There are many ways of being healthy, and it really does bother me when people imply that meat eating is responsible for excess weight or bad biomarker readings. I don't bash people for doing the plant-based thing and believe you can be tremendously healthy with that also.



LOL, I tried Keto 3 years ago before going vegan. It was the reason my blood work went crazy. My Dr. calls it the angioplasty diet. Eating high amounts of supermarket meat is never a good idea.

In Danny's current position, Plant-based is the way to go

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There are so many pseudoexperts, and so much misinformation out there on nutrition - including in this thread.  I am a professional (registered) nutritionist with an advanced degree, have worked in hospitals for many years and have seen thousands of people with all types of ailments, from heart disease to gastrointestinal cancers to eating disorders, and have read thousands of studies over the course of my education and professional work.  It's unfortunately difficult to change peoples' perceptions on certain foods as food choices are a deeply personal decision, and I hate debating nutrition on the internet because of this.  But here goes.

I never recommend the ketogenic diet.  Ever.  There's multiple reasons for this.  First and foremost it cuts out the healthiest foods that you can put in your body - beans, lentils, fruits, certain vegetables, some nuts (depending on how you plan things out) and nutritious grains such as quinoa.  Second, it is has not been shown to be superior if the long-run - which is what matters - than other "diets" for weight loss.  Third, it's often inadequate in certain micronutrients (such as potassium, which is actually vastly underappreciated, and others such as folate and magnesium) and inadequate in fiber (not technically a nutrient, but also vastly underappreciated in its role in human health).  Fourth, from biochemical and physiological standpoints, combined with observation data, the ketogenic diet stands on shaky ground.  It's not just heart disease that is of concern, but increased risk of other ailments such as colorectal cancer.  Fifth, few people are knowledgeable enough, or dedicated enough, to actually tailor their daily diet to reach and maintain a true state of ketosis.  Sixth, weight loss is great, but it by itself is not a panacea, and you are still at risk for developing medical problems if your overall diet is unhealthy, especially if compounded by other factors (stress, lack of sleep, smoking, etc).  If your weight rebounds because you couldn't maintain the diet, then you're actually worse of than when you started since large scale weight fluctuations have a negative impact on your health.  Seventh, the potential benefits do not outweigh risks or the effort involved to follow the diet.  You can achieve the same weight loss goals while including all foods. There are more reasons but that should suffice.  A ketogenic diet is medically indicated is for epilepsy or perhaps other neurological conditions but otherwise it's not a good idea.

A nutrition pattern (I hate the word diet) that is predominantly - or exclusively - plant-based is far superior.  There's not only growing scientific evidence of this from observational and clinical data, but it makes sense from physiological and biochemical theory as well.  Of course you don't have to be a vegetarian/vegan to be healthy, but if you want to offer your body the best chance of remaining healthy (nothing in health or medicine is certain), or reversing/managing certain chronic diseases, then a plant-based diet is the way to go.  I'd bet my entire bank account - hell, I'd bet my life - that if every American adopted a plant-based diet overnight and stuck with it, that you would see the prevalence of the top killers of Americans - heart disease, cancer, obesity-related conditions such as diabetes - plummet dramatically.  Flexitarian can work, and the Mediterranean pattern is very good too.  Just like any nutrition pattern, your food choices need to be balanced.  And ultimately, just do what works best for your body.  A co-worker of mine is vegetarian, she tried being vegan for a while but for some reason felt low on energy without some dairy.  So she's lactovegetarian and does just fine this way.

It's also a bit sad that some people still think that you have to eat tofu (or some other generally unpopular item) or you're out of luck.  True, there was a dearth of convenience vegetarian/vegan items not long ago, but today there are tons of options - plant-based yogurts, ice cream, cheeses, protein bars, meat substitutes - along with the true staples of a healthy eating pattern (vegetables, legumes, etc).  There's also an abundance of websites dedicated to plant-based cooking with incredible recipes.  I don't even need to list them because google will help with that (but I certainly can if needed).

With regard to Danny, I believe I read somewhere that his hypercholesterolemia is genetic.  Some people cannot achieve normal cholesterol numbers even with a good diet, exercise, and other lifestyle changes.  But what he is doing cannot hurt.  Good luck Danny.