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Beyond the Association => Global Basketball => Topic started by: slightly biased bias fan on June 04, 2016, 07:46:54 PM
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The Australian national basketball team is an up and coming force that looks like displacing Spain as challenger America. There are several players in the NBA today; Bogut, Dellavedova, Exum, Mills, Baynes, Ingles, Cameron Bairstow & more to come such as; Simmons, Thon Maker, Malik Maker, Jonah Bolden, Deng Gak, Isaac Humphries, Harry Froling. The also have an array of talent in Europe like; Nathan Jawai & David Anderson.
I think this is an impressive up and coming team in the making, what do you think? Is perhaps Canada the next U.S rival?
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I thought the exact same thing a year ago. However maker seems to have fallen off in the eyes of some. If he hits his potential, then yes, Australia will have atleast 2 superstars which is more than any other country in a long time.
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The Australian national basketball team is an up and coming force that looks like displacing Spain as challenger America. There are several players in the NBA today; Bogut, Dellavedova, Exum, Mills, Baynes, Ingles, Cameron Bairstow & more to come such as; Simmons, Thon Maker, Malik Maker, Jonah Bolden, Deng Gak, Isaac Humphries, Harry Froling. The also have an array of talent in Europe like; Nathan Jawai & David Anderson.
I think this is an impressive up and coming team in the making, what do you think? Is perhaps Canada the next U.S rival?
France is up and coming too. Gobert, Fournier, Batum, Luwawu, Yabusle, Cordinier, and a host of 7 footers (Corniele, Jeanne, & Fall)
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/european-dispatch--a-trio-of-7-footers-233346183.html
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The Australian national basketball team is an up and coming force that looks like displacing Spain as challenger America. There are several players in the NBA today; Bogut, Dellavedova, Exum, Mills, Baynes, Ingles, Cameron Bairstow & more to come such as; Simmons, Thon Maker, Malik Maker, Jonah Bolden, Deng Gak, Isaac Humphries, Harry Froling. The also have an array of talent in Europe like; Nathan Jawai & David Anderson.
I think this is an impressive up and coming team in the making, what do you think? Is perhaps Canada the next U.S rival?
France is up and coming too. Gobert, Fournier, Batum, Luwawu, Yabusle, Cordinier, and a host of 7 footers (Corniele, Jeanne, & Fall)
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/european-dispatch--a-trio-of-7-footers-233346183.html
Very true, I wouldn't be surprised if China becomes a force soon with the amount of money in that country now and communist countries are very nationalist with their sports.
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The Australian national basketball team is an up and coming force that looks like displacing Spain as challenger America. There are several players in the NBA today; Bogut, Dellavedova, Exum, Mills, Baynes, Ingles, Cameron Bairstow & more to come such as; Simmons, Thon Maker, Malik Maker, Jonah Bolden, Deng Gak, Isaac Humphries, Harry Froling. The also have an array of talent in Europe like; Nathan Jawai & David Anderson.
I think this is an impressive up and coming team in the making, what do you think? Is perhaps Canada the next U.S rival?
France is up and coming too. Gobert, Fournier, Batum, Luwawu, Yabusle, Cordinier, and a host of 7 footers (Corniele, Jeanne, & Fall)
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/european-dispatch--a-trio-of-7-footers-233346183.html
Very true, I wouldn't be surprised if China becomes a force soon with the amount of money in that country now and communist countries are very nationalist with their sports.
China will suck until they develop good guards. Even the Yao, Wang, and Yi team would get demolished because their guards would crack under ball press.
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If Nigeria kept its players they would be the biggest force.
Players of Nigerian descent that I can remember
Giannis Atentokumpo, Victor Oladipo, Festus Ezeli, Andre Ighodala, Jalil Okafor, Ike Diogu, from the NBA and there are tons in college like Ochefu, Gbinije, Metuh etc.
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If Nigeria kept its players they would be the biggest force.
Players of Nigerian descent that I can remember
Giannis Atentokumpo, Victor Oladipo, Festus Ezeli, Andre Ighodala, Jalil Okafor, Ike Diogu, from the NBA and there are tons in college like Ochefu, Gbinije, Metuh etc.
Very true, I think that one of Gianni's brothers is representing Nigeria, it seems the talent is there but the funding isn't.
I forgot about Croatia too; Dario Šarić, Mario Hezonja, Bojan Bogdanović, Ante Žižić very bright future.
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I've been pretty impressed with the rise of Australian basketball - however I fear they might plateau and tail off because Australia has such a plethora of sports attracting good athletes - rugby (league and union), cricket, Australian Rules Football and 'soccer'. Many other developing basketball countries only have one other sport to compete with.
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What about Canada?
Andrew Wiggins, Tristan Thompson, Nik Staukas, Jamaal Murray.
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What about Canada?
Andrew Wiggins, Tristan Thompson, Nik Staukas, Jamaal Murray.
The Australian national basketball team is an up and coming force that looks like displacing Spain as challenger America. There are several players in the NBA today; Bogut, Dellavedova, Exum, Mills, Baynes, Ingles, Cameron Bairstow & more to come such as; Simmons, Thon Maker, Malik Maker, Jonah Bolden, Deng Gak, Isaac Humphries, Harry Froling. The also have an array of talent in Europe like; Nathan Jawai & David Anderson.
I think this is an impressive up and coming team in the making, what do you think? Is perhaps Canada the next U.S rival?
Yeah this is my bet that it'll be between Canada & Australia as the number 2 basketball nation in the world.
Thompson
Olynyk
Wiggins
Staukas
Murray
Canada also has a kid named R.J. Barrett who is extremely promising.
Bogut
Maker
Simmons
Exum
Mills
Apparently Irving was very close to representing Australian but changed his mind when he was finally selected for the team USA.
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If Nigeria kept its players they would be the biggest force.
Players of Nigerian descent that I can remember
Giannis Atentokumpo, Victor Oladipo, Festus Ezeli, Andre Ighodala, Jalil Okafor, Ike Diogu, from the NBA and there are tons in college like Ochefu, Gbinije, Metuh etc.
I'm pretty sure Al Farouq Aminu represents Nigeria internationally.
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The popularity of basketball in Australia is up and down. As stated earlier, there are many other more popular sports (in terms of participants). Many of the other countries mentioned have much stronger local leagues. Basketball is a little bit resurgent here at the moment, but it comes down to success overseas. More Australians know Simmons and Bogut than the players in the local league (NBL). Can't deny the quality of players at present but t is hard to predict if the supply will continue. Finish by saying that Australia is probably punching well above its weight when you consider the population and number of other sports.
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i wouldnt agree so, they need to show they can play a tactical game, until then just names on paper :)
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Australia is not the new Spain
It's been said before but the best Australian players are playing internationally
Probably because the Australian basketball league - NBL - is not popular
No one ever talks about NBL compared to the other sports leagues
People are more likely to watch and talk about NBA than NBL
NBL - is a pretty weak league
It is very basic in skill level
A lot has to do with popularity of the sport
Australians generally like playing cricket, rugby, soccer, swimming, tennis over basketball
As the popularity is low, there's less endorsements and definitely less money to be made by the players in the NBL
So the best players play internationally in NBA or Europe
This dilutes the talent in Australia's national basketball league
There are some promising players but I don't think Australia will be able to consistentlyproduce good players
Most young promising players should try develop in overseas leagues or US college basketball
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The amount of players in the NBA is not really a good indicator for success in international play. There are tons of players in the NBA that are used for specific roles. Moreover, the reason people in this forum know more Australian players - generally low rotation players or fringe starters - than from countries with more tradition in the sport, like Brazil, Greece or Lithuania, is related to the language barrier.
I am brazilian and i've watched Australia last 3 games (one of them against Brazil) and I felt way more confident about the national team (even with the lowest amount of NBA starters in a long time) than about the Aussies. They really need Ben Simmons or Exum to turn into something very special to be able to contend.
Bogut and Delavedova are role players in the NBA in the sense that they can do some specific stuff at an above average level. But when they are playing FIBA, they are supposed to carry the load for the team and they fail hard. Bogut was a complete disaster against China: he looked frustrated and constantly tried to intimidate the chinese players that had no interest in fighting him. He should have been ejected after one minute when he punched the face of China's 5.
There are lots of well-rounded, do-it-all, international players that are not good enough to be in the NBA (because of the insane amount of excellent american player) but that are important for FIBA basketball. They are main players in leagues like some of the Europeans and the stars of the Chinese and the Brazilian.
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I'm confused why people think Spain is going to go away. Sure Pau and even Marc are getting old, but there is still plenty of young talent in Spain in Rubio, Mirotic, Abrines, Hernangomez. Heck even Sergio Rodriguez, Sergio Llull, and Victor Claver aren't that old. They also have a number of kids playing DI in college, and while none of them look like NBA players, they will all likely be very solid professionals in Spain (or elsewhere), which coupled with the NBA guys, makes for a very tough team. They also have Alberto Abalde who is a possible NBA draftee in a couple of years and I'm sure a couple of other guys will pop along the way (as they always do with Spain). Add that to a very active and strong national league, and I don't think Spain is going anywhere even if they don't have a Wiggins or Simmons level talent on the team, I believe their depth will really keep them as a clear top 2 or 3 team.
Edit: I forgot Ibaka who is still only in his late 20's.
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When people talk about Spain going away it's a relative term. They had multiple generational talents peaking around the same time. They will likely remain a top 2-4 team for many years, but that is still a drop from being a legitimate year in and out contender capable of beating even a good USA team. Two years ago many thought Spain should even be favored in the World Cup hosted there. We will probably not see another team like that for a while.
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When people talk about Spain going away it's a relative term. They had multiple generational talents peaking around the same time. They will likely remain a top 2-4 team for many years, but that is still a drop from being a legitimate year in and out contender capable of beating even a good USA team. Two years ago many thought Spain should even be favored in the World Cup hosted there. We will probably not see another team like that for a while.
Spain had the Gasol brothers and Ibaka (who is really a role player). Their wings were never great. They just had very good size and a team that played together for a long time. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Spain in the Gold Medal game in 2020. I think this idea that they are going to fade away without Pau is pretty strange. Spain still has the 2nd best basketball league in the world and still has as many if not more players in the NBA than any other country (outside of the US obviously).
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When people talk about Spain going away it's a relative term. They had multiple generational talents peaking around the same time. They will likely remain a top 2-4 team for many years, but that is still a drop from being a legitimate year in and out contender capable of beating even a good USA team. Two years ago many thought Spain should even be favored in the World Cup hosted there. We will probably not see another team like that for a while.
Spain had the Gasol brothers and Ibaka (who is really a role player). Their wings were never great. They just had very good size and a team that played together for a long time. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Spain in the Gold Medal game in 2020. I think this idea that they are going to fade away without Pau is pretty strange. Spain still has the 2nd best basketball league in the world and still has as many if not more players in the NBA than any other country (outside of the US obviously).
Of course Spain could be in the gold medal game in 2020. Because they will likely be a top 5 team in the world (possibly top 2), and any of those teams will have a chance at the gold medal game. Spain is not fading away, but they are fading from their prime. They probably had the best non-USA team in 30 years (maybe ever) which lasted for years. The Gasol brothers were a freak occurrence. Now they are probably going to settle into really, really good for the next few years.
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Is Australia the new Spain?
no way. I take Paella over Vegemite Sandwiches any day 8)
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Is Serbia the new USA that s the question! ;D
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https://youtu.be/KXPU_fQwe08
Josh Green 16 y/o Australian playing for the IMG Academy (same as Ben Simmons)
6'5" shooting guard with elite potential
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https://youtu.be/KXPU_fQwe08
Josh Green 16 y/o Australian playing for the IMG Academy (same as Ben Simmons)
6'5" shooting guard with elite potential
That two-play sequence from 0.37-0.47 is pretty nice
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The Australian national basketball team is an up and coming force that looks like displacing Spain as challenger America. There are several players in the NBA today; Bogut, Dellavedova, Exum, Mills, Baynes, Ingles, Cameron Bairstow & more to come such as; Simmons, Thon Maker, Malik Maker, Jonah Bolden, Deng Gak, Isaac Humphries, Harry Froling. The also have an array of talent in Europe like; Nathan Jawai & David Anderson.
I think this is an impressive up and coming team in the making, what do you think? Is perhaps Canada the next U.S rival?
France is up and coming too. Gobert, Fournier, Batum, Luwawu, Yabusle, Cordinier, and a host of 7 footers (Corniele, Jeanne, & Fall)
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/european-dispatch--a-trio-of-7-footers-233346183.html
Very true, I wouldn't be surprised if China becomes a force soon with the amount of money in that country now and communist countries are very nationalist with their sports.
China will suck until they develop good guards. Even the Yao, Wang, and Yi team would get demolished because their guards would crack under ball press.
China is even worse than their Yao days, we're being carried by Yi and only have a couple of good youngsters in Guo Ailun and Zhou Qi. Also we're transitioning to a streetball country, not a lot of talent at the guard position if you're talking about a good 5 on 5 guard. The development system is also starting to show cracks now that children are better off and don't have to depend on income from the national team to make a living. We'll probably continue to stay in the top 20 countries or so since our bigs are very well rounded (we seem to have a system for developing such players) but we'll probably never be a power unless we get generational talentS on the perimeter. (yes at least 2)
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It was supposed to be New Holland.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Holland_(Australia)