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Title: Brown asked to play summer league, Stevens said no
Post by: CelticsElite on July 12, 2018, 07:58:11 PM
Jaylen Brown says it was Brad Stevens who actually shut down his bid to play Summer League games this year.

https://mobile.twitter.com/tom_nba/status/1017522008429494273?s=21
Title: Re: Brown asked to play summer league, Stevens said no
Post by: 18isGREATERthan72 on July 12, 2018, 08:06:18 PM
Love Jaylen's dedication to getting better.

I'll be honest, I remember last off season watching his youtube videos and it seemed like he was in the gym the day after the season ended right at it.  I was expecting something similar this year, but I saw him going to the Paris fashion week and doing some things.  At first I was slightly disappointed, but quickly realized this guy in his first two seasons in the league has played all the way into the ECF in the playoffs.  He definitely needed some time off to reset.

Glad to see him and Tatum are both putting the work in already though, and that Brown was willing to play Summer league even though being a borderline all star this past year.
Title: Re: Brown asked to play summer league, Stevens said no
Post by: 18isGREATERthan72 on July 12, 2018, 08:07:42 PM
Also to note Tatum didn't play in summer league this year, but he basically did having played almost every game this season and a deep playoff run.  I'm glad his "summer league" was against LeBron James.
Title: Re: Brown asked to play summer league, Stevens said no
Post by: liam on July 12, 2018, 08:19:47 PM
Great sign that Jaylen loves to play but Brad is right to not let him play.
Title: Re: Brown asked to play summer league, Stevens said no
Post by: CelticD on July 12, 2018, 08:22:55 PM
Ya I don't wanna see Jaylen embarrassing people's children on the court either. Lol gotta give the other kids a chance JB.
Title: Re: Brown asked to play summer league, Stevens said no
Post by: Celtics4ever on July 12, 2018, 09:05:50 PM
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Love Jaylen's dedication to getting better.

He is an NBA starter he does not need to play against players who are significantly worse than him.  That only helps a guy's ego but often causes his game to get really sloppy.
Title: Re: Brown asked to play summer league, Stevens said no
Post by: Chris22 on July 12, 2018, 09:15:33 PM
That would be like entering a Ferrari in a demolition derby.
Title: Re: Brown asked to play summer league, Stevens said no
Post by: 18isGREATERthan72 on July 12, 2018, 09:34:00 PM
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Love Jaylen's dedication to getting better.

He is an NBA starter he does not need to play against players who are significantly worse than him.  That only helps a guy's ego but often causes his game to get really sloppy.

It gives him an opportunity to work on aspects of his game that aren't overly developed yet.  A lot of people here complain about his dribbling and play making.  Do I want to see him dunking all over summer league players?  No.  Would I enjoy seeing him try to be a bit of a play maker though for others?  Of course.

I doubt Jaylen's mentality when he asked to play was to dominate summer league players.
Title: Re: Brown asked to play summer league, Stevens said no
Post by: bdm860 on July 12, 2018, 10:10:57 PM
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Love Jaylen's dedication to getting better.

He is an NBA starter he does not need to play against players who are significantly worse than him.  That only helps a guy's ego but often causes his game to get really sloppy.

It gives him an opportunity to work on aspects of his game that aren't overly developed yet.  A lot of people here complain about his dribbling and play making.  Do I want to see him dunking all over summer league players?  No.  Would I enjoy seeing him try to be a bit of a play maker though for others?  Of course.

I doubt Jaylen's mentality when he asked to play was to dominate summer league players.

I also think it's a great leadership move, raises the morale of all the other guys on the team.

You have Philly where a guy like Fultz isn't playing, which many of us believe is to protect his ego, but if Ben Simmons was playing too, you have to think Fultz wouldn't feel bad about playing.

I can imagine Yabusele and Ojeleye feeling a little left-behind or bummed about having to play in summer league.  I recall Gerald Green pouting when the C's asked him to play in Summer League for the 3rd year in a row back in '07 (before the KG trade).  And it just might provide an extra little bit of motivation for those fringe guys seeing an established player choosing to play there with you.  "I'm not here because I suck or as punishment, I'm here because this is a place where you can get better."

Title: Re: Brown asked to play summer league, Stevens said no
Post by: Celtics4ever on July 13, 2018, 08:02:43 AM
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It gives him an opportunity to work on aspects of his game that aren't overly developed yet

Not really, playing against guys who are not on level rarely improves you're game.   Good players like to play against guys at their level or better so they can improve due to the challenge.   He could beat those guys in his sleep.

It would be better for what your suggesting to play ball in pick games against NBA level guys.  That way he is simulating real game situations against the talent he is going to be playing at not a notch or two below him.  Bob Huggins once told me that practice was not any good unless you're doing it in true game conditions and at game speed.   The Summer League would not do that for Brown.

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I doubt Jaylen's mentality when he asked to play was to dominate summer league players.

I don't know that of course, as I can't read his mind.   But I know that you're talking about a guy who wanted Lebron to stay in the East so he could beat him.   I suspect Brown is a lot more competitive than people realize.   I think that is a very good thing as it was obvious to me that he worked his tail off between his rookie and sophomore season.   I hope he does the same thing again this year.
Title: Re: Brown asked to play summer league, Stevens said no
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on July 13, 2018, 09:09:02 AM
For someone as smart as Jaylen says to be, this would've been an incredibly stupid decision; high risk, low reward.
Title: Re: Brown asked to play summer league, Stevens said no
Post by: RockinRyA on July 13, 2018, 10:07:02 AM
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It gives him an opportunity to work on aspects of his game that aren't overly developed yet

Not really, playing against guys who are not on level rarely improves you're game.   Good players like to play against guys at their level or better so they can improve due to the challenge.   He could beat those guys in his sleep.

It would be better for what your suggesting to play ball in pick games against NBA level guys.  That way he is simulating real game situations against the talent he is going to be playing at not a notch or two below him.  Bob Huggins once told me that practice was not any good unless you're doing it in true game conditions and at game speed.   The Summer League would not do that for Brown.

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I doubt Jaylen's mentality when he asked to play was to dominate summer league players.

I don't know that of course, as I can't read his mind.   But I know that you're talking about a guy who wanted Lebron to stay in the East so he could beat him.   I suspect Brown is a lot more competitive than people realize.   I think that is a very good thing as it was obvious to me that he worked his tail off between his rookie and sophomore season.   I hope he does the same thing again this year.

Nope. If you can improve your game while being guarded halfheartedly during training, you sure will improve your game in a real game. It is the perfect opportunity to try things out. I'm sure if there's a guarantee that Jaylen won't get injured, they'd allow him to play.

You cannot underestimate how playing in a low pressure environment can help someone get better. Its only bad if that's the only thing you are gonna do.
Title: Re: Brown asked to play summer league, Stevens said no
Post by: wiley on July 13, 2018, 10:11:31 AM
That would be like entering a Ferrari in a demolition derby.

TP!

Title: Re: Brown asked to play summer league, Stevens said no
Post by: loco_91 on July 13, 2018, 05:45:01 PM
He probably wants to make up for last year. He was so bad in SL.
Title: Re: Brown asked to play summer league, Stevens said no
Post by: Tr1boy on July 13, 2018, 06:00:31 PM
Jaylen Brown has issues
Title: Re: Brown asked to play summer league, Stevens said no
Post by: Celtics4ever on July 13, 2018, 06:41:32 PM
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Nope. If you can improve your game while being guarded halfheartedly during training, you sure will improve your game in a real game. It is the perfect opportunity to try things out. I'm sure if there's a guarantee that Jaylen won't get injured, they'd allow him to play.

You cannot underestimate how playing in a low pressure environment can help someone get better. Its only bad if that's the only thing you are gonna do.

I have concluded reading your posts that you have not played organized basketball at a high level.  Because what your saying is not what is true in real live.   Go and play the kids in the neighborhood and skill up your game and see how that serves you on the real court. 

Also, as far as trying things out, a player has a good idea what they can do anyways if they play real ball not the low pressure crap you're talking about.   Most players try things out with no one on them, practicing by themselves or challenging their friends.   Who decides to try to dunk it from the foul line in a game for the first time.   That is hillarious. 
Title: Re: Brown asked to play summer league, Stevens said no
Post by: nickagneta on July 13, 2018, 07:37:20 PM
I agree with Celtics4Ever. If Brown wants to practice in real time game conditions he is bedt off finding one of the many all NBA player pick up games that happen across the country in the summer. Playing against much less skilled players in the basic pick up basketball enviroment that is Summer League basketball is not going to help him as much as those pro player pick up games.

Besides, the coaching staff and front office need to see players on their Summer League team play. Playing Brown would only give them less opportunity to work with other Celtics like Yabu, Semi and Williams as Brown would dominate play.

Love Brown's attitude of wanting to play, wanting to get better, and maybe get to plsy with a few of his teammates in real time game conditions. But he has grown beyond Summer League play. He won't get anything out of it except maybe an ego boost, which I don't think he needs.
Title: Re: Brown asked to play summer league, Stevens said no
Post by: JSD on July 13, 2018, 08:02:56 PM
Brown is just dedicated to his craft. I love that about him
Title: Re: Brown asked to play summer league, Stevens said no
Post by: celticsclay on July 14, 2018, 12:22:13 AM
Opposite of fultz
Title: Re: Brown asked to play summer league, Stevens said no
Post by: Celtics4ever on July 14, 2018, 06:39:01 AM
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Brown is just dedicated to his craft. I love that about him

That is why I for one do not want to give up on him and send him out for an older guy.   I think he has a good chance to continue to improve given his attitude.
Title: Re: Brown asked to play summer league, Stevens said no
Post by: cman88 on July 14, 2018, 10:30:32 AM
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Brown is just dedicated to his craft. I love that about him

That is why I for one do not want to give up on him and send him out for an older guy.   I think he has a good chance to continue to improve given his attitude.

I do not either and I dont think danny really will.....The way the celtics are set up even with the contract situations and age of the players  has us being competitive for years.

I think the kawhi rumors were testing the waters.
Title: Re: Brown asked to play summer league, Stevens said no
Post by: Big333223 on July 17, 2018, 01:57:57 PM
Love seeing the drive from Jaylen.

Like the decision from the team to say no. At this stage, Brown will probably be better served working on individual aspects of his game alone or in one-on-ones. He gets and will continue to get plenty of court time. He just needs skill work.
Title: Re: Brown asked to play summer league, Stevens said no
Post by: SHAQATTACK on July 17, 2018, 02:26:20 PM
think he has been working on new moves , footwork etc.   He is healthy and wants to show off what he can do.....just like a kid with a new bike ,  soon just riding isn't enough ,  you need to show your friends whellies and tricks

I think he exceeds everybody's expectations once again next year. 
Title: Re: Brown asked to play summer league, Stevens said no
Post by: Future Celtics Owner on July 17, 2018, 02:28:04 PM
Brown played a full NBA season and then almost all of our playoff games at very high level. Same reason CBS and DA did not want Tatum in SL....because he played a ton of games and needs some time to recover. It just would make zero sense. But I LOVE that he asked to play.

I think Baron Davis used to play SL to get in shape.
Title: Re: Brown asked to play summer league, Stevens said no
Post by: nickagneta on July 18, 2018, 01:49:18 AM
Can you imagine how much better Brown would be if he developed a grade A pick n roll, pick n pop game.
Title: Re: Brown asked to play summer league, Stevens said no
Post by: CelticsJG on July 18, 2018, 09:56:25 AM
Dont see Brown developing a PnR game. Haven't shown the BBIQ for it.
Title: Re: Brown asked to play summer league, Stevens said no
Post by: Big333223 on July 19, 2018, 10:27:45 AM
Brown played a full NBA season and then almost all of our playoff games at very high level. Same reason CBS and DA did not want Tatum in SL....because he played a ton of games and needs some time to recover. It just would make zero sense. But I LOVE that he asked to play.

I think Baron Davis used to play SL to get in shape.

Luckily, it doesn't look like Jaylen has that problem.
Title: Re: Brown asked to play summer league, Stevens said no
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on July 19, 2018, 10:37:06 AM
Dont see Brown developing a PnR game. Haven't shown the BBIQ for it.

He ran the pick-and-roll 82 times last season, scoring .73 points per possession, which was 35th percentile in the league.

In the playoffs, he ran the pick-and-roll 22 times, scoring .95 points per possession, which was 75th percentile in the league.

It's a small sample size, but the growth is there. In the advanced reads of CBS system, the corner guys run quick pick-and-roll handoffs with bigs. It adds a new dimension of stress on the defense if Brown can do that with high efficiency. He will likely not get as many opportunities this year with Irving, Hayward, Tatum, Rozier, and Smart.

In fact, Brown could start being the roll man more often, playing the Winslow-Green small ball 4 playmaker role.
Title: Re: Brown asked to play summer league, Stevens said no
Post by: LilRip on July 19, 2018, 10:52:25 AM
It wouldn’t surprise me if he went into SL trying to be more of a playmaker or work on one on one outside the post. JB strikes me as a guy who enjoys organized play and he probably wants to run more sets with the coaching staff before training camp. Idk

Or he’s just ultra competitive and he wants the C’s to win the SL championship