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Title: Celtics (3-1) vs Heat (2-2) Vegas SL Game 5 7/14/18
Post by: FLCeltsFan on July 13, 2018, 10:37:11 PM
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Boston Celtics (3-1) vs Miami Heat (2-2)
Saturday, July 14, 2018
6:30 PM ET
Las Vegas Summer League Game #5
Tournament Round 2
TV:  ESPN 2
Thomas and Mack Center
Las Vegas, Nevada

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Boston Celtics Roster
Kadeem Allen
Justin Bibbs
Jabari Bird
Demitrius Conger
Trey Davis
Daniel Dixon
Jarell Eddie
Pierria Henry
Hassan Martin
Semi Ojeleye
Jarrod Uthoff
Robert Williams III
Guerschon Yabusele

Players to Watch

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Jabari Bird is playing for a spot on the Celtics this year after playing as a two way player last season.  He has looked good in Summer League so far, averaging 16.8 points, 3.0 assists and 6.0 rebounds in the three games so far.
Semi Ojeleye is working hard this off season to improve his game, especially on the offensive end.  He is already a lock down defender and should be a rotation player this season.  He is averaging 13.3 points, 2.3 assists and 4.3 rebounds so far in Summer League.
Guerschon Yabusele, in spite of being a fan favorite, is playing to show he belongs on the Celtics.  He is averaging 12.3 points, 2.0 assists and 5.3 rebounds. 

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Miami Heat Roster
Bam Adebayo
Dikembe Dixon
Matt Farrell
Derrick Jones, Jr
Jarrod Jones
Daryl Macon
Yante Maten
Landry Nnoko
Ike Nwamu
Duncan Robinson
Justin Tillman
Rashad Vaughn
Derrick Walton, Jr
Tai Webster

Players to Watch
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Bam Adebayo was the Heat's first round pick in 2017.  He averaged 6.9 points and 5.5 rebounds in his rookie season. He is averaging 16.5 points, 6.5 rebounds, 1.5 assists and 1.5 blocks in Vegas Summer League.  He sat out Miami's win on Thursday over the Pelicans for rest so he may or may not play in this game. 
Jarrod Jones went undrafted in 2012 and has been playing in Europe since then.  He leads the Heat's Summer League team with 16.7 points, 6.7 rebounds and 1.7 assists.  He scored 31 points in Thursday's win over the Pelicans to advance to this game. 
Duncan Robinson went undrafted out of Michigan.  He is a forward who is a good 3 point shooter.  He is averaging 12.8 points, 3.3 rebounds and 1.5 assists for the Heat in Summer League. 

Game Notes
The 10th seeded Celtics enter the second round of the Vegas Summer League tournament after having won in the first round over the New York Knicks.  The 26th seeded Heat advanced with a win over the New Orleans Pelicans.  In this game, it's win or go home as the loser will be out of tournament play while the winner goes on to compete in the next round.

The Celtics have been without their first round draft pick, Robert Williams III since the first quarter of game 1 when he bumped knees with someone.  In each game since then Williams has said that he hopes to play but the training staff is being cautious and have held him out of each game.  He is officially listed as day to day and his status for this game will likely be decided shortly before game time.

For the Heat, Derrick Jones, Jr will likely miss the remainder of Summer League, including this game, with an ankle injury.  Bam Adebayo sat out Thursday's game for rest and so his status for this game isn't known but since it is win or go home, my guess is that he plays since he isn't injured. 

As I have said, this is a win or go home game in the tournament.  If the Celtics lose, they are finished with Summer League play.  If they win,  they will go on to play on Sunday the 2nd seeded Portland Trailblazers at 8:00 PM ET on Sunday.  The winner of that game will play on Monday at 10:30 PM ET and the Finals will be on Tuesday at 10:00 PM ET. 
Title: Re: Celtics (3-1) vs Heat (2-2) Vegas SL Game 5 7/14/18
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on July 13, 2018, 10:40:26 PM
frist
Title: Re: Celtics (3-1) vs Heat (2-2) Vegas SL Game 5 7/14/18
Post by: FLCeltsFan on July 13, 2018, 10:40:43 PM
TP to tarheelsxxiii  for being the first to post in the game thread!!!

GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO SL Celtics!!!
Title: Re: Celtics (3-1) vs Heat (2-2) Vegas SL Game 5 7/14/18
Post by: chicagoceltic on July 13, 2018, 10:48:14 PM
I think this is my second straight second place post in the game thread.  Go Celts and TP to FL for another great game thread!
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Post by: Jiri Welsch on July 13, 2018, 11:52:52 PM
Yasssss
Title: Re: Celtics (3-1) vs Heat (2-2) Vegas SL Game 5 7/14/18
Post by: libermaniac on July 14, 2018, 12:12:45 AM
4th. What about Bob?
Title: Re: Celtics (3-1) vs Heat (2-2) Vegas SL Game 5 7/14/18
Post by: bellerephon on July 14, 2018, 01:11:44 AM
I totally disagree with the idea that Semi is going to be a rotation player next season. The only way that happens is if there is a serious injury. He’s a great story and has exceeded expectations but if the Celtics are healthy he will be a fringe player and with not be part of the rotation.
Title: Re: Celtics (3-1) vs Heat (2-2) Vegas SL Game 5 7/14/18
Post by: gouki88 on July 14, 2018, 01:17:53 AM
I totally disagree with the idea that Semi is going to be a rotation player next season. The only way that happens is if there is a serious injury. He’s a great story and has exceeded expectations but if the Celtics are healthy he will be a fringe player and with not be part of the rotation.
Agree. Especially if Morris and Hayward are healthy for the season, or at least most of it
Title: Re: Celtics (3-1) vs Heat (2-2) Vegas SL Game 5 7/14/18
Post by: footey on July 14, 2018, 03:46:13 AM
Semi is an elite multi positional defender. If he can hit open 3’s at a high 30’s percentage clip, Brad will find him some minutes.
Title: Re: Celtics (3-1) vs Heat (2-2) Vegas SL Game 5 7/14/18
Post by: bellerephon on July 14, 2018, 09:15:50 AM
He is not elite. He’s a good defender. He can’t hit threes. There will be few minutes.
Title: Re: Celtics (3-1) vs Heat (2-2) Vegas SL Game 5 7/14/18
Post by: mqtcelticsfan on July 14, 2018, 11:14:30 AM
Man, the SL Heat really have the market cornered on Derricks, Jr.
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Post by: hwangjini_1 on July 14, 2018, 11:23:23 AM
frist
[dang].  >:( i will settle for being on the frist page at least. that is something.

well, another game means another game thread by flc, and another victory for the baby celtics.

it will be interesting to watch bird. so far, he is my favorite player in the team. he is followed by semi, who might, maybe, perhaps, conceivable be developing a better offensive game.

fun to watch and no stress over winning or losing...though the celtics will most certainly win.  ;D

thanks flc, tp for the great work. and..


gooooooo000000ooooo00000ooooo00000oooo000 baby celtics!  ;D

p.s. flc, just curious, but are those your shoes at the top of the post?? ?? ??  ;)
Title: Re: Celtics (3-1) vs Heat (2-2) Vegas SL Game 5 7/14/18
Post by: willyd24 on July 14, 2018, 12:22:49 PM
Any chance Robert Williams plays tonight? I keep hoping he’ll play and then they say he’s out again
Title: Re: Celtics (3-1) vs Heat (2-2) Vegas SL Game 5 7/14/18
Post by: Hoopvortex on July 14, 2018, 12:57:14 PM
I totally disagree with the idea that Semi is going to be a rotation player next season. The only way that happens is if there is a serious injury. He’s a great story and has exceeded expectations but if the Celtics are healthy he will be a fringe player and with not be part of the rotation.
Agree. Especially if Morris and Hayward are healthy for the season, or at least most of it

Semi is also competing with Tatum for swing minutes; in fact the Irving/Smart/Brown/Tatum/Horford lineup was the second-most used last season.

He was also on the floor some with Morris (usually with Smart guarding the smaller wing), so you could say that he got some wing minutes as well. And they used him situationally to guard smaller players like Spencer Dinwiddie and Devin Booker.

This is such an interesting question. I have to say that I don't have anywhere near the certainty that you guys have about his role next year. Brad got him rotation minutes all through his rookie season, and that was true even after Morris returned the second time in good health. He had a couple of DNP-CD's when Moose came onboard, but after he got some reps Semi was back in the rotation.

Brad's recent remark ("I'm a big Semi guy") is not a commitment, but he certainly saw enough in him as a rookie to keep finding ways to get him out there. He's got big upside, with great hands, footwork, feel for spacing, work ethic (off the charts), and NBA body.

The coaches have specific goals for him to up his game; what they've said is on defense he needs to get in his man's "airspace" more (like Smart and Morris do), and on offense to understand when he needs to attack closeouts and dribble-drive.

I think that it would bolster his case for minutes if he could improve his shooting from the left corner. He was elite from the right corner last season and just above the break on the right. In Boston's offense he's spotting up on both sides. But let's not overestimate shooting %s here; obviously Marcus Smart's 3% didn't keep Brad from giving him starter's minutes.

Prediction? Games played 70, per game 12 minutes.
Title: Re: Celtics (3-1) vs Heat (2-2) Vegas SL Game 5 7/14/18
Post by: jpotter33 on July 14, 2018, 01:06:42 PM
Any chance Robert Williams plays tonight? I keep hoping he’ll play and then they say he’s out again

Yeah, it’s been a bummer not getting to see him play. It’s really lessened the excitement of these games for me. Hopefully he plays tonight.
Title: Re: Celtics (3-1) vs Heat (2-2) Vegas SL Game 5 7/14/18
Post by: Hoopvortex on July 14, 2018, 01:56:52 PM
He is not elite. He’s a good defender. He can’t hit threes. There will be few minutes.

Care to make a minutes prediction?

I take it you would at least agree that he’s elite at staying in front of his man and getting a hand up to contest (i.e.: quick hips and shoulders combined with anticipation), and that those are the most important skills for a defender. If not then we don’t need to waste time getting into the finer points.

You may remember after a game with Phoenix this past season that Brad remarked on his defense, saying something like he was on his way to being an elite defender, “and I’m not sure he isn’t there already.”
Title: Re: Celtics (3-1) vs Heat (2-2) Vegas SL Game 5 7/14/18
Post by: billysan on July 14, 2018, 04:09:54 PM
Looking forward to seeing how Hassan Martin plays in this one. A solid defensive effort would be great  to watch and maybe get him a camp invite or G league contract offer from Maine.
Title: Re: Celtics (3-1) vs Heat (2-2) Vegas SL Game 5 7/14/18
Post by: JHTruth on July 14, 2018, 06:21:40 PM
Williams and Bird out. Seems like Rob is out until preseason
Title: Re: Celtics (3-1) vs Heat (2-2) Vegas SL Game 5 7/14/18
Post by: willyd24 on July 14, 2018, 06:23:15 PM
Before today’s game every time they announced Robert Williams as being out for the game I was annoyed but after hearing he’s out again tonight now I’m more worried. If this artery condition wasn’t such a big deal then there’s absolutely no way a bruised knee would keep him out over a week. I’m starting to think that this knee condition is more serious than they are making it out to be.

We can’t have a player that if he simply bumps knees with another player misses 4 games and counting, that’s way too brittle for my liking. At first I was excited when we picked Robert Williams but now I’m just worried and annoyed at the whole situation.
Title: Re: Celtics (3-1) vs Heat (2-2) Vegas SL Game 5 7/14/18
Post by: JHTruth on July 14, 2018, 06:27:00 PM
Before today’s game every time they announced Robert Williams as being out for the game I was annoyed but after hearing he’s out again tonight now I’m more worried. If this artery condition wasn’t such a big deal then there’s absolutely no way a bruised knee would keep him out over a week. I’m starting to think that this knee condition is more serious than they are making it out to be.

We can’t have a player that if he simply bumps knees with another player misses 4 games and counting, that’s way too brittle for my liking. At first I was excited when we picked Robert Williams but now I’m just worried and annoyed at the whole situation.

Meh it's tendinitis in SL. They won't play him in meaningless games unless he's 100% and why should they
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Post by: Surferdad on July 14, 2018, 06:27:24 PM
Before today’s game every time they announced Robert Williams as being out for the game I was annoyed but after hearing he’s out again tonight now I’m more worried. If this artery condition wasn’t such a big deal then there’s absolutely no way a bruised knee would keep him out over a week. I’m starting to think that this knee condition is more serious than they are making it out to be.

We can’t have a player that if he simply bumps knees with another player misses 4 games and counting, that’s way too brittle for my liking. At first I was excited when we picked Robert Williams but now I’m just worried and annoyed at the whole situation.
Understood but this is just speculation.  It was a high risk-high reward type pick and we have to be patient.
Title: Re: Celtics (3-1) vs Heat (2-2) Vegas SL Game 5 7/14/18
Post by: JHTruth on July 14, 2018, 06:28:50 PM
Before today’s game every time they announced Robert Williams as being out for the game I was annoyed but after hearing he’s out again tonight now I’m more worried. If this artery condition wasn’t such a big deal then there’s absolutely no way a bruised knee would keep him out over a week. I’m starting to think that this knee condition is more serious than they are making it out to be.

We can’t have a player that if he simply bumps knees with another player misses 4 games and counting, that’s way too brittle for my liking. At first I was excited when we picked Robert Williams but now I’m just worried and annoyed at the whole situation.
Understood but this is just speculation.  It was a high risk-high reward type pick and we have to be patient.

Most of the top guys are shut down at this point. He might not be playing even if he was healthy
Title: Re: Celtics (3-1) vs Heat (2-2) Vegas SL Game 5 7/14/18
Post by: willyd24 on July 14, 2018, 06:32:40 PM
Before today’s game every time they announced Robert Williams as being out for the game I was annoyed but after hearing he’s out again tonight now I’m more worried. If this artery condition wasn’t such a big deal then there’s absolutely no way a bruised knee would keep him out over a week. I’m starting to think that this knee condition is more serious than they are making it out to be.

We can’t have a player that if he simply bumps knees with another player misses 4 games and counting, that’s way too brittle for my liking. At first I was excited when we picked Robert Williams but now I’m just worried and annoyed at the whole situation.

Meh it's tendinitis in SL. They won't play him in meaningless games unless he's 100% and why should they

In my opinion if he’s ready to play then you play him. I don’t care if it’s Summer League or the playoffs. If someone is 100% then you play them. Robert has said himself that he played through this injury throughout his entire college career so I’m not sure what we are being so careful for. The fans want to see him play and for a lot of us fans it’s the only reason we would want to watch the game. I’d rather have them just say he’s out till the preseason if that’s actually the case then get everyone’s hopes up for each game by saying he might play.
Title: Re: Celtics (3-1) vs Heat (2-2) Vegas SL Game 5 7/14/18
Post by: jpotter33 on July 14, 2018, 06:33:42 PM
Before today’s game every time they announced Robert Williams as being out for the game I was annoyed but after hearing he’s out again tonight now I’m more worried. If this artery condition wasn’t such a big deal then there’s absolutely no way a bruised knee would keep him out over a week. I’m starting to think that this knee condition is more serious than they are making it out to be.

We can’t have a player that if he simply bumps knees with another player misses 4 games and counting, that’s way too brittle for my liking. At first I was excited when we picked Robert Williams but now I’m just worried and annoyed at the whole situation.

Respectfully, I think you’re overreacting a bit. Is his arterial condition even related to why he’s out? My understanding is that he’s out to simple tendinitis in his knee that he was dealing with before the draft, not something related to the arterial condition.

Regardless, they’re going to play it safe because it’s just summer league.
Title: Re: Celtics (3-1) vs Heat (2-2) Vegas SL Game 5 7/14/18
Post by: willyd24 on July 14, 2018, 06:38:17 PM
Before today’s game every time they announced Robert Williams as being out for the game I was annoyed but after hearing he’s out again tonight now I’m more worried. If this artery condition wasn’t such a big deal then there’s absolutely no way a bruised knee would keep him out over a week. I’m starting to think that this knee condition is more serious than they are making it out to be.

We can’t have a player that if he simply bumps knees with another player misses 4 games and counting, that’s way too brittle for my liking. At first I was excited when we picked Robert Williams but now I’m just worried and annoyed at the whole situation.

Respectfully, I think you’re overreacting a bit. Is his arterial condition even related to why he’s out? My understanding is that he’s out to simple tendinitis in his knee that he was dealing with before the draft, not something related to the arterial condition.

Regardless, they’re going to play it safe because it’s just summer league.

You’re entitled to that opinion and I probably am overreacting. He’s just the only reason I wanted to watch Summer League and they keep saying he might play and I feel like it’s just a lie at this point and that they are going to keep him out till at least the preseason which is fine, just wished they’d come out and say that instead of giving us the run around.
Title: Re: Celtics (3-1) vs Heat (2-2) Vegas SL Game 5 7/14/18
Post by: jpotter33 on July 14, 2018, 06:42:09 PM
Before today’s game every time they announced Robert Williams as being out for the game I was annoyed but after hearing he’s out again tonight now I’m more worried. If this artery condition wasn’t such a big deal then there’s absolutely no way a bruised knee would keep him out over a week. I’m starting to think that this knee condition is more serious than they are making it out to be.

We can’t have a player that if he simply bumps knees with another player misses 4 games and counting, that’s way too brittle for my liking. At first I was excited when we picked Robert Williams but now I’m just worried and annoyed at the whole situation.

Respectfully, I think you’re overreacting a bit. Is his arterial condition even related to why he’s out? My understanding is that he’s out to simple tendinitis in his knee that he was dealing with before the draft, not something related to the arterial condition.

Regardless, they’re going to play it safe because it’s just summer league.

You’re entitled to that opinion and I probably am overreacting. He’s just the only reason I wanted to watch Summer League and they keep saying he might play and I feel like it’s just a lie at this point and that they are going to keep him out till at least the preseason which is fine, just wished they’d come out and say that instead of giving us the run around.

Oh, I’m right there with you. I still watch the games, but I have to admit that’s it not nearly as exciting without our new prospect out there.

Selfishly I was hoping Tatum or Brown would be allowed to play summer league just to have some more exciting prospects out there  :P
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Post by: colincb on July 14, 2018, 06:53:26 PM
In other Cs news

Quote
Gary Washburn @GwashburnGlobe
about 10 minutes ago

Could be the last #Celtics game for G Kadeem Allen. According to an NBA source, #Celtics will release Allen from his two-way contract and add another player on a two-way deal next week.
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Post by: Surferdad on July 14, 2018, 06:54:10 PM
Nce littrel 7-0 run there.  I have admit that Uthoff looks good.  I wasn’t so impressed in the 1st couple of games.
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Post by: colincb on July 14, 2018, 06:55:30 PM
Nce littrel 7-0 run there.  I have admit that Uthoff looks good.  I wasn’t so impressed in the 1st couple of games.

With good reason.
Title: Re: Celtics (3-1) vs Heat (2-2) Vegas SL Game 5 7/14/18
Post by: Surferdad on July 14, 2018, 06:58:15 PM
In other Cs news

Quote
Gary Washburn @GwashburnGlobe
about 10 minutes ago

Could be the last #Celtics game for G Kadeem Allen. According to an NBA source, #Celtics will release Allen from his two-way contract and add another player on a two-way deal next week.
Aw sorry to hear, I liked Allen. Wonder who they like better?
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Post by: Surferdad on July 14, 2018, 07:02:54 PM
Hassan with the reject!
Title: Re: Celtics (3-1) vs Heat (2-2) Vegas SL Game 5 7/14/18
Post by: smokeablount on July 14, 2018, 07:02:54 PM
Semi can’t hit a [dang] barn and Uthoff looks like SL Chris Bosh out there.
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Post by: liam on July 14, 2018, 07:08:21 PM
Semi can’t hit a [dang] barn and Uthoff looks like SL Chris Bosh out there.

I like Uthoff, too bad he won't make the roster...
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Post by: liam on July 14, 2018, 07:12:50 PM
The Bear is loose!
Title: Re: Celtics (3-1) vs Heat (2-2) Vegas SL Game 5 7/14/18
Post by: Surferdad on July 14, 2018, 07:14:09 PM
Semi can’t hit a [dang] barn and Uthoff looks like SL Chris Bosh out there.

I like Uthoff, too bad he won't make the roster...
Semi’s inconsistent shot is the biggest concern of SL. I was hoping for improvement from last year.
Title: Re: Celtics (3-1) vs Heat (2-2) Vegas SL Game 5 7/14/18
Post by: JHTruth on July 14, 2018, 07:14:34 PM
Semi can’t hit a [dang] barn and Uthoff looks like SL Chris Bosh out there.

I like Uthoff, too bad he won't make the roster...

Uthoff looks so much better these last couple games. Wonder what happened
Title: Re: Celtics (3-1) vs Heat (2-2) Vegas SL Game 5 7/14/18
Post by: Sophomore on July 14, 2018, 07:15:18 PM
Someone just threw Yabu a lob on the fast break and ... uh...no.
Title: Re: Celtics (3-1) vs Heat (2-2) Vegas SL Game 5 7/14/18
Post by: Sophomore on July 14, 2018, 07:16:33 PM
Uthoff is a poor man's Daniel Theis.

(Which isn’t a knock, because Theis is a nice player. Just means it’s hard to see him landing in Boston this year.)
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Post by: bellerephon on July 14, 2018, 07:28:53 PM
He is not elite. He’s a good defender. He can’t hit threes. There will be few minutes.

Care to make a minutes prediction?

I take it you would at least agree that he’s elite at staying in front of his man and getting a hand up to contest (i.e.: quick hips and shoulders combined with anticipation), and that those are the most important skills for a defender. If not then we don’t need to waste time getting into the finer points.

You may remember after a game with Phoenix this past season that Brad remarked on his defense, saying something like he was on his way to being an elite defender, “and I’m not sure he isn’t there already.”
Semi is not elite or even near elite in any facet of the game. He’s a pretty good defender, which is impressive given he was drafted in the second round, but calling him elite is a major exaggeration. As for a minutes prediction, I’d guess five minutes per game or so, with a lot more dnp-cd’s than a lot of people think unless an injury opens a spot for him. If Smart stays he is the 11th man on the roster at best, maybe 12th if Wanamaker can contribute. Hard to see a guy that far down the roster who can’t shoot, pass, dribble or finish at the rim getting a lot of time. The Celts have much better options.
Title: Re: Celtics (3-1) vs Heat (2-2) Vegas SL Game 5 7/14/18
Post by: hwangjini_1 on July 14, 2018, 07:33:06 PM
In other Cs news

Quote
Gary Washburn @GwashburnGlobe
about 10 minutes ago

Could be the last #Celtics game for G Kadeem Allen. According to an NBA source, #Celtics will release Allen from his two-way contract and add another player on a two-way deal next week.
Aw sorry to hear, I liked Allen. Wonder who they like better?
my first guess would be uhtoff. but we will all learn soon enough.
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Post by: liam on July 14, 2018, 07:34:24 PM
Bear-coast to coast!
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Post by: liam on July 14, 2018, 07:36:21 PM
Henry has a great motor...
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Post by: mr. dee on July 14, 2018, 07:38:48 PM
Henry has a great motor...

And poor court vision
Title: Re: Celtics (3-1) vs Heat (2-2) Vegas SL Game 5 7/14/18
Post by: Hoopvortex on July 14, 2018, 07:39:53 PM
He is not elite. He’s a good defender. He can’t hit threes. There will be few minutes.

Care to make a minutes prediction?

I take it you would at least agree that he’s elite at staying in front of his man and getting a hand up to contest (i.e.: quick hips and shoulders combined with anticipation), and that those are the most important skills for a defender. If not then we don’t need to waste time getting into the finer points.

You may remember after a game with Phoenix this past season that Brad remarked on his defense, saying something like he was on his way to being an elite defender, “and I’m not sure he isn’t there already.”
Semi is not elite or even near elite in any facet of the game. He’s a pretty good defender, which is impressive given he was drafted in the second round, but calling him elite is a major exaggeration. As for a minutes prediction, I’d guess five minutes per game or so, with a lot more dnp-cd’s than a lot of people think unless an injury opens a spot for him. If Smart stays he is the 11th man on the roster at best, maybe 12th if Wanamaker can contribute. Hard to see a guy that far down the roster who can’t shoot, pass, dribble or finish at the rim getting a lot of time. The Celts have much better options.

I don’t think much of your scouting. You’re going to be surprised.
Title: Re: Celtics (3-1) vs Heat (2-2) Vegas SL Game 5 7/14/18
Post by: liam on July 14, 2018, 07:40:47 PM
Henry has a great motor...

And poor court vision

Yes
Title: Re: Celtics (3-1) vs Heat (2-2) Vegas SL Game 5 7/14/18
Post by: Sophomore on July 14, 2018, 07:42:20 PM
He is not elite. He’s a good defender. He can’t hit threes. There will be few minutes.

Care to make a minutes prediction?

I take it you would at least agree that he’s elite at staying in front of his man and getting a hand up to contest (i.e.: quick hips and shoulders combined with anticipation), and that those are the most important skills for a defender. If not then we don’t need to waste time getting into the finer points.

You may remember after a game with Phoenix this past season that Brad remarked on his defense, saying something like he was on his way to being an elite defender, “and I’m not sure he isn’t there already.”
Semi is not elite or even near elite in any facet of the game. He’s a pretty good defender, which is impressive given he was drafted in the second round, but calling him elite is a major exaggeration. As for a minutes prediction, I’d guess five minutes per game or so, with a lot more dnp-cd’s than a lot of people think unless an injury opens a spot for him. If Smart stays he is the 11th man on the roster at best, maybe 12th if Wanamaker can contribute. Hard to see a guy that far down the roster who can’t shoot, pass, dribble or finish at the rim getting a lot of time. The Celts have much better options.

Yeah, if the team is healthy he won’t see a lot of minutes. But that’s a sign of how very deep the team is. If they had to put him in you can have confidence in his defense and you can have him sit in the corners and the other team can’t  leave him alone.
Title: Re: Celtics (3-1) vs Heat (2-2) Vegas SL Game 5 7/14/18
Post by: liam on July 14, 2018, 07:42:44 PM
I like when Yabu attacks the rim!
Title: Re: Celtics (3-1) vs Heat (2-2) Vegas SL Game 5 7/14/18
Post by: Surferdad on July 14, 2018, 07:47:08 PM
He is not elite. He’s a good defender. He can’t hit threes. There will be few minutes.

Care to make a minutes prediction?

I take it you would at least agree that he’s elite at staying in front of his man and getting a hand up to contest (i.e.: quick hips and shoulders combined with anticipation), and that those are the most important skills for a defender. If not then we don’t need to waste time getting into the finer points.

You may remember after a game with Phoenix this past season that Brad remarked on his defense, saying something like he was on his way to being an elite defender, “and I’m not sure he isn’t there already.”
Semi is not elite or even near elite in any facet of the game. He’s a pretty good defender, which is impressive given he was drafted in the second round, but calling him elite is a major exaggeration. As for a minutes prediction, I’d guess five minutes per game or so, with a lot more dnp-cd’s than a lot of people think unless an injury opens a spot for him. If Smart stays he is the 11th man on the roster at best, maybe 12th if Wanamaker can contribute. Hard to see a guy that far down the roster who can’t shoot, pass, dribble or finish at the rim getting a lot of time. The Celts have much better options.

Yeah, if the team is healthy he won’t see a lot of minutes. But that’s a sign of how very deep the team is. If they had to put him in you can have confidence in his defense and you can have him sit in the corners and the other team can’t  leave him alone.
FWIW, Brad Stevens says Semi is an elite defender.
Title: Re: Celtics (3-1) vs Heat (2-2) Vegas SL Game 5 7/14/18
Post by: liam on July 14, 2018, 07:49:21 PM
He is not elite. He’s a good defender. He can’t hit threes. There will be few minutes.

Care to make a minutes prediction?

I take it you would at least agree that he’s elite at staying in front of his man and getting a hand up to contest (i.e.: quick hips and shoulders combined with anticipation), and that those are the most important skills for a defender. If not then we don’t need to waste time getting into the finer points.

You may remember after a game with Phoenix this past season that Brad remarked on his defense, saying something like he was on his way to being an elite defender, “and I’m not sure he isn’t there already.”
Semi is not elite or even near elite in any facet of the game. He’s a pretty good defender, which is impressive given he was drafted in the second round, but calling him elite is a major exaggeration. As for a minutes prediction, I’d guess five minutes per game or so, with a lot more dnp-cd’s than a lot of people think unless an injury opens a spot for him. If Smart stays he is the 11th man on the roster at best, maybe 12th if Wanamaker can contribute. Hard to see a guy that far down the roster who can’t shoot, pass, dribble or finish at the rim getting a lot of time. The Celts have much better options.

Yeah, if the team is healthy he won’t see a lot of minutes. But that’s a sign of how very deep the team is. If they had to put him in you can have confidence in his defense and you can have him sit in the corners and the other team can’t  leave him alone.
FWIW, Brad Stevens says Semi is an elite defender.

I think Brad is right.
Title: Re: Celtics (3-1) vs Heat (2-2) Vegas SL Game 5 7/14/18
Post by: blink on July 14, 2018, 07:49:34 PM
He is not elite. He’s a good defender. He can’t hit threes. There will be few minutes.

Care to make a minutes prediction?

I take it you would at least agree that he’s elite at staying in front of his man and getting a hand up to contest (i.e.: quick hips and shoulders combined with anticipation), and that those are the most important skills for a defender. If not then we don’t need to waste time getting into the finer points.

You may remember after a game with Phoenix this past season that Brad remarked on his defense, saying something like he was on his way to being an elite defender, “and I’m not sure he isn’t there already.”
Semi is not elite or even near elite in any facet of the game. He’s a pretty good defender, which is impressive given he was drafted in the second round, but calling him elite is a major exaggeration. As for a minutes prediction, I’d guess five minutes per game or so, with a lot more dnp-cd’s than a lot of people think unless an injury opens a spot for him. If Smart stays he is the 11th man on the roster at best, maybe 12th if Wanamaker can contribute. Hard to see a guy that far down the roster who can’t shoot, pass, dribble or finish at the rim getting a lot of time. The Celts have much better options.

Yeah, if the team is healthy he won’t see a lot of minutes. But that’s a sign of how very deep the team is. If they had to put him in you can have confidence in his defense and you can have him sit in the corners and the other team can’t  leave him alone.
FWIW, Brad Stevens says Semi is an elite defender.

I would say Semi is def at least an above-average defender...
Title: Re: Celtics (3-1) vs Heat (2-2) Vegas SL Game 5 7/14/18
Post by: smokeablount on July 14, 2018, 07:51:13 PM
Semi can’t hit a [dang] barn and Uthoff looks like SL Chris Bosh out there.

I like Uthoff, too bad he won't make the roster...
Semi’s inconsistent shot is the biggest concern of SL. I was hoping for improvement from last year.

Sigh... agreed on both counts.
Title: Re: Celtics (3-1) vs Heat (2-2) Vegas SL Game 5 7/14/18
Post by: liam on July 14, 2018, 07:53:32 PM
This game could have an exciting finish.
Title: Re: Celtics (3-1) vs Heat (2-2) Vegas SL Game 5 7/14/18
Post by: liam on July 14, 2018, 07:57:10 PM
DAVIS!
Title: Re: Celtics (3-1) vs Heat (2-2) Vegas SL Game 5 7/14/18
Post by: Surferdad on July 14, 2018, 07:57:53 PM
Trey Davis with the handle.
Title: Re: Celtics (3-1) vs Heat (2-2) Vegas SL Game 5 7/14/18
Post by: mr. dee on July 14, 2018, 07:58:00 PM
That was a great finish in what it looked like a disastrous sequence.
Title: Re: Celtics (3-1) vs Heat (2-2) Vegas SL Game 5 7/14/18
Post by: liam on July 14, 2018, 07:58:17 PM
Trey Davis with the handle.

Great pass too!
Title: Re: Celtics (3-1) vs Heat (2-2) Vegas SL Game 5 7/14/18
Post by: blink on July 14, 2018, 07:59:06 PM
Trey Davis with the handle.

Great pass too!

highlight of the game for me so far....but I haven't watched the whole thing
Title: Re: Celtics (3-1) vs Heat (2-2) Vegas SL Game 5 7/14/18
Post by: liam on July 14, 2018, 07:59:53 PM
Trey Davis with the handle.

Great pass too!

highlight of the game for me so far....but I haven't watched the whole thing

Best play of summer league so far.
Title: Re: Celtics (3-1) vs Heat (2-2) Vegas SL Game 5 7/14/18
Post by: liam on July 14, 2018, 08:02:42 PM
Nwamu is looking good, too bad is on the wrong team...
Title: Re: Celtics (3-1) vs Heat (2-2) Vegas SL Game 5 7/14/18
Post by: blink on July 14, 2018, 08:02:46 PM
Trey Davis with the handle.

Great pass too!

highlight of the game for me so far....but I haven't watched the whole thing

Best play of summer league so far.

I just haven't been excited about the SL games this year, so I haven't watched as many games. 
Title: Re: Celtics (3-1) vs Heat (2-2) Vegas SL Game 5 7/14/18
Post by: liam on July 14, 2018, 08:03:50 PM
Trey Davis with the handle.

Great pass too!

highlight of the game for me so far....but I haven't watched the whole thing

Best play of summer league so far.

I just haven't been excited about the SL games this year, so I haven't watched as many games.

Me either. Last year was very exciting....
Title: Re: Celtics (3-1) vs Heat (2-2) Vegas SL Game 5 7/14/18
Post by: blink on July 14, 2018, 08:05:28 PM
nice block by Martin!
Title: Re: Celtics (3-1) vs Heat (2-2) Vegas SL Game 5 7/14/18
Post by: liam on July 14, 2018, 08:07:13 PM
The Celtics are letting this slip away....
Title: Re: Celtics (3-1) vs Heat (2-2) Vegas SL Game 5 7/14/18
Post by: blink on July 14, 2018, 08:08:23 PM
Jarrod Uthoff not coming up big down the stretch
Title: Re: Celtics (3-1) vs Heat (2-2) Vegas SL Game 5 7/14/18
Post by: JHTruth on July 14, 2018, 08:08:27 PM
Uthoff with B2B bricks
Title: Re: Celtics (3-1) vs Heat (2-2) Vegas SL Game 5 7/14/18
Post by: mr. dee on July 14, 2018, 08:09:28 PM
No more 2-way contract for Uthoff
Title: Re: Celtics (3-1) vs Heat (2-2) Vegas SL Game 5 7/14/18
Post by: liam on July 14, 2018, 08:11:43 PM
Take us home Bear!
Title: Re: Celtics (3-1) vs Heat (2-2) Vegas SL Game 5 7/14/18
Post by: mr. dee on July 14, 2018, 08:13:01 PM
Yabu plays more like a point than Henry.
Title: Re: Celtics (3-1) vs Heat (2-2) Vegas SL Game 5 7/14/18
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on July 14, 2018, 08:13:06 PM
Yabu with back to back to back great passes. The first one the guy missed the layup.

He has higher skill than many cbloggers give him credit for, but he lacks rhythm.
Title: Re: Celtics (3-1) vs Heat (2-2) Vegas SL Game 5 7/14/18
Post by: liam on July 14, 2018, 08:14:26 PM
YABU!
Title: Re: Celtics (3-1) vs Heat (2-2) Vegas SL Game 5 7/14/18
Post by: Sophomore on July 14, 2018, 08:15:50 PM
Yabu with back to back to back great passes. The first one the guy missed the layup.

He has higher skill than many cbloggers give him credit for, but he lacks rhythm.

He’s mostly been pretty good with the ball tonight, but those were easy, wide open passes into set plays.
Title: Re: Celtics (3-1) vs Heat (2-2) Vegas SL Game 5 7/14/18
Post by: mr. dee on July 14, 2018, 08:16:57 PM
Yabu with back to back to back great passes. The first one the guy missed the layup.

He has higher skill than many cbloggers give him credit for, but he lacks rhythm.

He’s mostly been pretty good with the ball tonight, but those were easy, wide open passes into set plays.

Henry can't even set simple plays like that.
Title: Re: Celtics (3-1) vs Heat (2-2) Vegas SL Game 5 7/14/18
Post by: smokeablount on July 14, 2018, 08:17:04 PM
Henry, not clutch bro.
Title: Re: Celtics (3-1) vs Heat (2-2) Vegas SL Game 5 7/14/18
Post by: blink on July 14, 2018, 08:17:21 PM
Yabu has some skill.  But I am disappointed that he isn't dominating more against summer league competition.  IMO, I don't see a lot of improvement over the last year. 
Title: Re: Celtics (3-1) vs Heat (2-2) Vegas SL Game 5 7/14/18
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on July 14, 2018, 08:17:33 PM
Yabu with back to back to back great passes. The first one the guy missed the layup.

He has higher skill than many cbloggers give him credit for, but he lacks rhythm.

He’s mostly been pretty good with the ball tonight, but those were easy, wide open passes into set plays.

Still good passes. They ran a similar set with Uthoff a few possessions before and he missed the pass.
Title: Re: Celtics (3-1) vs Heat (2-2) Vegas SL Game 5 7/14/18
Post by: YoungOne87 on July 14, 2018, 08:18:01 PM
henry, uthoff and co. are not realising that they have two nba players playing next to them...
Title: Re: Celtics (3-1) vs Heat (2-2) Vegas SL Game 5 7/14/18
Post by: liam on July 14, 2018, 08:18:07 PM
Yabu has some skill.  But I am disappointed that he isn't dominating more against summer league competition.  IMO, I don't see a lot of improvement over the last year.

He is getting fouled a lot with no calls but he should be playing better...
Title: Re: Celtics (3-1) vs Heat (2-2) Vegas SL Game 5 7/14/18
Post by: Surferdad on July 14, 2018, 08:18:46 PM
This game could have an exciting finish.
How did you know?
Title: Re: Celtics (3-1) vs Heat (2-2) Vegas SL Game 5 7/14/18
Post by: hwangjini_1 on July 14, 2018, 08:19:17 PM
Yabu has some skill.  But I am disappointed that he isn't dominating more against summer league competition.  IMO, I don't see a lot of improvement over the last year.
i agree. but he does corral a herd of rebounds in these games. today he had 10 in 28 minutes.
Title: Re: Celtics (3-1) vs Heat (2-2) Vegas SL Game 5 7/14/18
Post by: liam on July 14, 2018, 08:19:37 PM
This game could have an exciting finish.
How did you know?

I wish I had said "The game will have an exciting finish!"
Title: Re: Celtics (3-1) vs Heat (2-2) Vegas SL Game 5 7/14/18
Post by: blink on July 14, 2018, 08:21:30 PM
Yabu has some skill.  But I am disappointed that he isn't dominating more against summer league competition.  IMO, I don't see a lot of improvement over the last year.

He is getting fouled a lot with no calls but he should be playing better...

I want to like Yabu more than I do...but I know summer league isn't the best place to evaluate a player.  Unfortunately he won't be getting more minutes this coming season unless someone gets hurt.
Title: Re: Celtics (3-1) vs Heat (2-2) Vegas SL Game 5 7/14/18
Post by: liam on July 14, 2018, 08:22:06 PM
Henry can not defend at all....
Title: Re: Celtics (3-1) vs Heat (2-2) Vegas SL Game 5 7/14/18
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on July 14, 2018, 08:23:23 PM
Henry can not defend at all....

He's made some pretty big defensive plays. I think he played that one pretty well. He was on an island, almost forced a turnover, and then contested a tough runner.
Title: Re: Celtics (3-1) vs Heat (2-2) Vegas SL Game 5 7/14/18
Post by: tstorey_97 on July 14, 2018, 08:23:38 PM
Henry has gotten the most minutes in SL...they going to sign him?

Yabusele a rebounding machine! He'll get 6 MPG this season easy.
Title: Re: Celtics (3-1) vs Heat (2-2) Vegas SL Game 5 7/14/18
Post by: Surferdad on July 14, 2018, 08:24:05 PM
Yabu has some skill.  But I am disappointed that he isn't dominating more against summer league competition.  IMO, I don't see a lot of improvement over the last year.

He is getting fouled a lot with no calls but he should be playing better...

I want to like Yabu more than I do...but I know summer league isn't the best place to evaluate a player.  Unfortunately he won't be getting more minutes this coming season unless someone gets hurt.
The problem with evaluating talent in SL is that your teammates are inferior talent.
Title: Re: Celtics (3-1) vs Heat (2-2) Vegas SL Game 5 7/14/18
Post by: liam on July 14, 2018, 08:24:23 PM
Henry can not defend at all....

He's made some pretty big defensive plays. I think he played that one pretty well. He was on an island, almost forced a turnover, and then contested a tough runner.

He's had a good game on one end but guys have been blazing by him all game on the other end...
Title: Re: Celtics (3-1) vs Heat (2-2) Vegas SL Game 5 7/14/18
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on July 14, 2018, 08:25:26 PM
Henry can not defend at all....

He's made some pretty big defensive plays. I think he played that one pretty well. He was on an island, almost forced a turnover, and then contested a tough runner.

He's had a good game on one end but guys have been blazing by him all game on the other end...

That's not what I've seen from him.
Title: Re: Celtics (3-1) vs Heat (2-2) Vegas SL Game 5 7/14/18
Post by: CelticSooner on July 14, 2018, 08:25:35 PM
Where’s Middleton when you need him?
Title: Re: Celtics (3-1) vs Heat (2-2) Vegas SL Game 5 7/14/18
Post by: liam on July 14, 2018, 08:25:36 PM
They held on...
Title: Re: Celtics (3-1) vs Heat (2-2) Vegas SL Game 5 7/14/18
Post by: Surferdad on July 14, 2018, 08:25:54 PM
Henry has gotten the most minutes in SL...they going to sign him?
Possible replacement for Kadeem Allen.
Title: Re: Celtics (3-1) vs Heat (2-2) Vegas SL Game 5 7/14/18
Post by: liam on July 14, 2018, 08:26:38 PM
Henry can not defend at all....

He's made some pretty big defensive plays. I think he played that one pretty well. He was on an island, almost forced a turnover, and then contested a tough runner.

He's had a good game on one end but guys have been blazing by him all game on the other end...

That's not what I've seen from him.

Fair enough. He did have a couple of steals and played team D alright but he could not play one on one defense that I saw in this game....

I also like Henry's motor he does hustle....
Title: Re: Celtics (3-1) vs Heat (2-2) Vegas SL Game 5 7/14/18
Post by: blink on July 14, 2018, 08:26:55 PM
Interview with Yabu!  He is a likable kid...
Title: Re: Celtics (3-1) vs Heat (2-2) Vegas SL Game 5 7/14/18
Post by: bellerephon on July 14, 2018, 09:12:22 PM
He is not elite. He’s a good defender. He can’t hit threes. There will be few minutes.

Care to make a minutes prediction?

I take it you would at least agree that he’s elite at staying in front of his man and getting a hand up to contest (i.e.: quick hips and shoulders combined with anticipation), and that those are the most important skills for a defender. If not then we don’t need to waste time getting into the finer points.

You may remember after a game with Phoenix this past season that Brad remarked on his defense, saying something like he was on his way to being an elite defender, “and I’m not sure he isn’t there already.”
Semi is not elite or even near elite in any facet of the game. He’s a pretty good defender, which is impressive given he was drafted in the second round, but calling him elite is a major exaggeration. As for a minutes prediction, I’d guess five minutes per game or so, with a lot more dnp-cd’s than a lot of people think unless an injury opens a spot for him. If Smart stays he is the 11th man on the roster at best, maybe 12th if Wanamaker can contribute. Hard to see a guy that far down the roster who can’t shoot, pass, dribble or finish at the rim getting a lot of time. The Celts have much better options.

Yeah, if the team is healthy he won’t see a lot of minutes. But that’s a sign of how very deep the team is. If they had to put him in you can have confidence in his defense and you can have him sit in the corners and the other team can’t  leave him alone.
FWIW, Brad Stevens says Semi is an elite defender.

I would say Semi is def at least an above-average defender...
Unless I missed a quote somewhere, I thought Brad said he could be an elite defender one day, and wasn't too far from it. That 's not the same as Brad saying he is right now an elite defender. I've never denied Semi is a good defender, a very good defender even. He's just not elite right now, which is actually what Brad said. I certainly would not dispute Brad's judgement, but I also think coaches engage in trying to pump up the confidence of  young guys in an effort to get max effort out of them.
Title: Re: Celtics (3-1) vs Heat (2-2) Vegas SL Game 5 7/14/18
Post by: feckless on July 14, 2018, 09:18:02 PM
semi's defense against the greek freak was elite, he was the best on the C's in that role 
he was crucial to that series
Title: Re: Celtics (3-1) vs Heat (2-2) Vegas SL Game 5 7/14/18
Post by: bellerephon on July 14, 2018, 09:18:47 PM
He is not elite. He’s a good defender. He can’t hit threes. There will be few minutes.

Care to make a minutes prediction?

I take it you would at least agree that he’s elite at staying in front of his man and getting a hand up to contest (i.e.: quick hips and shoulders combined with anticipation), and that those are the most important skills for a defender. If not then we don’t need to waste time getting into the finer points.

You may remember after a game with Phoenix this past season that Brad remarked on his defense, saying something like he was on his way to being an elite defender, “and I’m not sure he isn’t there already.”
Semi is not elite or even near elite in any facet of the game. He’s a pretty good defender, which is impressive given he was drafted in the second round, but calling him elite is a major exaggeration. As for a minutes prediction, I’d guess five minutes per game or so, with a lot more dnp-cd’s than a lot of people think unless an injury opens a spot for him. If Smart stays he is the 11th man on the roster at best, maybe 12th if Wanamaker can contribute. Hard to see a guy that far down the roster who can’t shoot, pass, dribble or finish at the rim getting a lot of time. The Celts have much better options.

I don’t think much of your scouting. You’re going to be surprised.
Maybe, I've never claimed any special insight. I just haven't seen enough to make me think he's going to be anything more than a defensive sub off the bench. I don't understand why so many people think he's going to be a big time player. What have you all seen in NBA action that gives you such confidence.
His defense will get him on the roster, it will get him some spot minutes when rotation guys get in foul trouble or need a night off. It makes him playable when a rotation guy goes down with an injury. But unless he finds a way to contribute on offense, I don't see why they would put him in the rotation. Hayward, Tatum, Brown, Morris, Theis and even Smart should get minutes before Semi.
He's the 11th man on the roster at best, maybe 12th. How many minutes can we expect the 11th or 12th man to get?
Title: Re: Celtics (3-1) vs Heat (2-2) Vegas SL Game 5 7/14/18
Post by: bellerephon on July 14, 2018, 09:22:40 PM
semi's defense against the greek freak was elite, he was the best on the C's in that role
I don't agree. He had a couple of really amazing stops on Giannis it is true, but as I recall, Giannis was able to score at his normal rate against Semi. It's certainly impressive that he didn't get crushed by Giannis, but keep in mind Giannis' game is mostly a function of his athleticism, not great moves like Hakeem. Semi has the physical skills to stay with Giannis, but he makes his share of defensive mistakes.
Title: Re: Celtics (3-1) vs Heat (2-2) Vegas SL Game 5 7/14/18
Post by: Eddie20 on July 14, 2018, 09:27:33 PM
He is not elite. He’s a good defender. He can’t hit threes. There will be few minutes.

Care to make a minutes prediction?

I take it you would at least agree that he’s elite at staying in front of his man and getting a hand up to contest (i.e.: quick hips and shoulders combined with anticipation), and that those are the most important skills for a defender. If not then we don’t need to waste time getting into the finer points.

You may remember after a game with Phoenix this past season that Brad remarked on his defense, saying something like he was on his way to being an elite defender, “and I’m not sure he isn’t there already.”
Semi is not elite or even near elite in any facet of the game. He’s a pretty good defender, which is impressive given he was drafted in the second round, but calling him elite is a major exaggeration. As for a minutes prediction, I’d guess five minutes per game or so, with a lot more dnp-cd’s than a lot of people think unless an injury opens a spot for him. If Smart stays he is the 11th man on the roster at best, maybe 12th if Wanamaker can contribute. Hard to see a guy that far down the roster who can’t shoot, pass, dribble or finish at the rim getting a lot of time. The Celts have much better options.

I don’t think much of your scouting. You’re going to be surprised.
Maybe, I've never claimed any special insight. I just haven't seen enough to make me think he's going to be anything more than a defensive sub off the bench. I don't understand why so many people think he's going to be a big time player. What have you all seen in NBA action that gives you such confidence.
His defense will get him on the roster, it will get him some spot minutes when rotation guys get in foul trouble or need a night off. It makes him playable when a rotation guy goes down with an injury. But unless he finds a way to contribute on offense, I don't see why they would put him in the rotation. Hayward, Tatum, Brown, Morris, Theis and even Smart should get minutes before Semi.
He's the 11th man on the roster at best, maybe 12th. How many minutes can we expect the 11th or 12th man to get?

Agreed.

People get really carried away with this elite defender stuff. He plays good positional defense, but he's doesn't have the length to contest many shots and isn't going to be active in passing lanes either.

Offensively he doesn't have one single skill that you can say is even average. For his position, 3/4, he's a below average shooter, ball handler, passer, and doesn't have great instincts moving without the ball like a Hayward, Bradley, or even J. Bird have. People might look at his low 30's shooting percentage and think it's not too bad, but these are wide open shots he's taking and mostly shorter corner shots. Teams just ignore him, using his defender to help, which hurts are spacing and bogs down our offense.
Title: Re: Celtics (3-1) vs Heat (2-2) Vegas SL Game 5 7/14/18
Post by: feckless on July 14, 2018, 09:29:46 PM
semi's defense against the greek freak was elite, he was the best on the C's in that role
I don't agree. He had a couple of really amazing stops on Giannis it is true, but as I recall, Giannis was able to score at his normal rate against Semi. It's certainly impressive that he didn't get crushed by Giannis, but keep in mind Giannis' game is mostly a function of his athleticism, not great moves like Hakeem. Semi has the physical skills to stay with Giannis, but he makes his share of defensive mistakes.
that he did not get crushed was the best we had--making Giannis work as hard as Semi did was a huge factor in the C' defeating the freak
Title: Re: Celtics (3-1) vs Heat (2-2) Vegas SL Game 5 7/14/18
Post by: bellerephon on July 14, 2018, 09:32:05 PM
He is not elite. He’s a good defender. He can’t hit threes. There will be few minutes.

Care to make a minutes prediction?

I take it you would at least agree that he’s elite at staying in front of his man and getting a hand up to contest (i.e.: quick hips and shoulders combined with anticipation), and that those are the most important skills for a defender. If not then we don’t need to waste time getting into the finer points.

You may remember after a game with Phoenix this past season that Brad remarked on his defense, saying something like he was on his way to being an elite defender, “and I’m not sure he isn’t there already.”
Semi is not elite or even near elite in any facet of the game. He’s a pretty good defender, which is impressive given he was drafted in the second round, but calling him elite is a major exaggeration. As for a minutes prediction, I’d guess five minutes per game or so, with a lot more dnp-cd’s than a lot of people think unless an injury opens a spot for him. If Smart stays he is the 11th man on the roster at best, maybe 12th if Wanamaker can contribute. Hard to see a guy that far down the roster who can’t shoot, pass, dribble or finish at the rim getting a lot of time. The Celts have much better options.

I don’t think much of your scouting. You’re going to be surprised.
Maybe, I've never claimed any special insight. I just haven't seen enough to make me think he's going to be anything more than a defensive sub off the bench. I don't understand why so many people think he's going to be a big time player. What have you all seen in NBA action that gives you such confidence.
His defense will get him on the roster, it will get him some spot minutes when rotation guys get in foul trouble or need a night off. It makes him playable when a rotation guy goes down with an injury. But unless he finds a way to contribute on offense, I don't see why they would put him in the rotation. Hayward, Tatum, Brown, Morris, Theis and even Smart should get minutes before Semi.
He's the 11th man on the roster at best, maybe 12th. How many minutes can we expect the 11th or 12th man to get?

Agreed.

People get really carried away with this elite defender stuff. He plays good positional defense, but he's doesn't have the length to contest many shots and isn't going to be active in passing lanes either.

Offensively he doesn't have one single skill that you can say is even average. For his position, 3/4, he's a below average shooter, ball handler, passer, and doesn't have great instincts moving without the ball like a Hayward, Bradley, or even J. Bird have. People might look at his low 30's shooting percentage and think it's not too bad, but these are wide open shots he's taking and mostly shorter corner shots. Teams just ignore him, using his defender to help, which hurts are spacing and bogs down our offense.
I agree with all of this. And the fact that his three point shooting has not looked any better in summer league is concerning. If he can't shoot threes in summer league, how can we possibly expect him to shoot them in the NBA.
Title: Re: Celtics (3-1) vs Heat (2-2) Vegas SL Game 5 7/14/18
Post by: feckless on July 14, 2018, 09:33:14 PM
semi's defense against the greek freak was elite, he was the best on the C's in that role
I don't agree. He had a couple of really amazing stops on Giannis it is true, but as I recall, Giannis was able to score at his normal rate against Semi. It's certainly impressive that he didn't get crushed by Giannis, but keep in mind Giannis' game is mostly a function of his athleticism, not great moves like Hakeem. Semi has the physical skills to stay with Giannis, but he makes his share of defensive mistakes.
Title: Re: Celtics (3-1) vs Heat (2-2) Vegas SL Game 5 7/14/18
Post by: Rondo9 on July 14, 2018, 09:33:51 PM
He is not elite. He’s a good defender. He can’t hit threes. There will be few minutes.

Care to make a minutes prediction?

I take it you would at least agree that he’s elite at staying in front of his man and getting a hand up to contest (i.e.: quick hips and shoulders combined with anticipation), and that those are the most important skills for a defender. If not then we don’t need to waste time getting into the finer points.

You may remember after a game with Phoenix this past season that Brad remarked on his defense, saying something like he was on his way to being an elite defender, “and I’m not sure he isn’t there already.”
Semi is not elite or even near elite in any facet of the game. He’s a pretty good defender, which is impressive given he was drafted in the second round, but calling him elite is a major exaggeration. As for a minutes prediction, I’d guess five minutes per game or so, with a lot more dnp-cd’s than a lot of people think unless an injury opens a spot for him. If Smart stays he is the 11th man on the roster at best, maybe 12th if Wanamaker can contribute. Hard to see a guy that far down the roster who can’t shoot, pass, dribble or finish at the rim getting a lot of time. The Celts have much better options.

I don’t think much of your scouting. You’re going to be surprised.
Maybe, I've never claimed any special insight. I just haven't seen enough to make me think he's going to be anything more than a defensive sub off the bench. I don't understand why so many people think he's going to be a big time player. What have you all seen in NBA action that gives you such confidence.
His defense will get him on the roster, it will get him some spot minutes when rotation guys get in foul trouble or need a night off. It makes him playable when a rotation guy goes down with an injury. But unless he finds a way to contribute on offense, I don't see why they would put him in the rotation. Hayward, Tatum, Brown, Morris, Theis and even Smart should get minutes before Semi.
He's the 11th man on the roster at best, maybe 12th. How many minutes can we expect the 11th or 12th man to get?

Agreed.

People get really carried away with this elite defender stuff. He plays good positional defense, but he's doesn't have the length to contest many shots and isn't going to be active in passing lanes either.

Offensively he doesn't have one single skill that you can say is even average. For his position, 3/4, he's a below average shooter, ball handler, passer, and doesn't have great instincts moving without the ball like a Hayward, Bradley, or even J. Bird have. People might look at his low 30's shooting percentage and think it's not too bad, but these are wide open shots he's taking and mostly shorter corner shots. Teams just ignore him, using his defender to help, which hurts are spacing and bogs down our offense.
I agree with all of this. And the fact that his three point shooting has not looked any better in summer league is concerning. If he can't shoot threes in summer league, how can we possibly expect him to shoot them in the NBA.

Who shoots well in summer league?
Title: Re: Celtics (3-1) vs Heat (2-2) Vegas SL Game 5 7/14/18
Post by: bellerephon on July 14, 2018, 09:35:19 PM
semi's defense against the greek freak was elite, he was the best on the C's in that role
I don't agree. He had a couple of really amazing stops on Giannis it is true, but as I recall, Giannis was able to score at his normal rate against Semi. It's certainly impressive that he didn't get crushed by Giannis, but keep in mind Giannis' game is mostly a function of his athleticism, not great moves like Hakeem. Semi has the physical skills to stay with Giannis, but he makes his share of defensive mistakes.
that he did not get crushed was the best we had--making Giannis work as hard as Semi did was a huge factor in the C' defeating the freak
Don't get me wrong, he's impressed on defense, and he definitely helped on Giannis. But I think that if you had a healthy Hayward on the roster, Semi wouldn't have played very much and the Celts would have won the series more easily. Their offensive woes held them back much more than any defensive problems. And Hayward is a pretty good defender too, while also being an excellent offensive player. It's hard to argue that Semi should get any minutes ahead of Hayward or Tatum, or Brown, or Morris, or Smart, or Theis, or Baynes, or Horford...
Title: Re: Celtics (3-1) vs Heat (2-2) Vegas SL Game 5 7/14/18
Post by: bellerephon on July 14, 2018, 09:41:27 PM
He is not elite. He’s a good defender. He can’t hit threes. There will be few minutes.

Care to make a minutes prediction?

I take it you would at least agree that he’s elite at staying in front of his man and getting a hand up to contest (i.e.: quick hips and shoulders combined with anticipation), and that those are the most important skills for a defender. If not then we don’t need to waste time getting into the finer points.

You may remember after a game with Phoenix this past season that Brad remarked on his defense, saying something like he was on his way to being an elite defender, “and I’m not sure he isn’t there already.”
Semi is not elite or even near elite in any facet of the game. He’s a pretty good defender, which is impressive given he was drafted in the second round, but calling him elite is a major exaggeration. As for a minutes prediction, I’d guess five minutes per game or so, with a lot more dnp-cd’s than a lot of people think unless an injury opens a spot for him. If Smart stays he is the 11th man on the roster at best, maybe 12th if Wanamaker can contribute. Hard to see a guy that far down the roster who can’t shoot, pass, dribble or finish at the rim getting a lot of time. The Celts have much better options.

I don’t think much of your scouting. You’re going to be surprised.
Maybe, I've never claimed any special insight. I just haven't seen enough to make me think he's going to be anything more than a defensive sub off the bench. I don't understand why so many people think he's going to be a big time player. What have you all seen in NBA action that gives you such confidence.
His defense will get him on the roster, it will get him some spot minutes when rotation guys get in foul trouble or need a night off. It makes him playable when a rotation guy goes down with an injury. But unless he finds a way to contribute on offense, I don't see why they would put him in the rotation. Hayward, Tatum, Brown, Morris, Theis and even Smart should get minutes before Semi.
He's the 11th man on the roster at best, maybe 12th. How many minutes can we expect the 11th or 12th man to get?

Agreed.

People get really carried away with this elite defender stuff. He plays good positional defense, but he's doesn't have the length to contest many shots and isn't going to be active in passing lanes either.

Offensively he doesn't have one single skill that you can say is even average. For his position, 3/4, he's a below average shooter, ball handler, passer, and doesn't have great instincts moving without the ball like a Hayward, Bradley, or even J. Bird have. People might look at his low 30's shooting percentage and think it's not too bad, but these are wide open shots he's taking and mostly shorter corner shots. Teams just ignore him, using his defender to help, which hurts are spacing and bogs down our offense.
I agree with all of this. And the fact that his three point shooting has not looked any better in summer league is concerning. If he can't shoot threes in summer league, how can we possibly expect him to shoot them in the NBA.

Who shoots well in summer league?
But he has also shown that he can't shoot well in the NBA. Why are we supposed to think that is going to change?
Title: Re: Celtics (3-1) vs Heat (2-2) Vegas SL Game 5 7/14/18
Post by: moiso on July 14, 2018, 10:03:04 PM
semi's defense against the greek freak was elite, he was the best on the C's in that role 
he was crucial to that series
Giannis shot much better against the Celtics in the playoffs than he did for the entire regular season. 
Title: Re: Celtics (3-1) vs Heat (2-2) Vegas SL Game 5 7/14/18
Post by: chilidawg on July 15, 2018, 10:11:15 AM
He is not elite. He’s a good defender. He can’t hit threes. There will be few minutes.

Care to make a minutes prediction?

I take it you would at least agree that he’s elite at staying in front of his man and getting a hand up to contest (i.e.: quick hips and shoulders combined with anticipation), and that those are the most important skills for a defender. If not then we don’t need to waste time getting into the finer points.

You may remember after a game with Phoenix this past season that Brad remarked on his defense, saying something like he was on his way to being an elite defender, “and I’m not sure he isn’t there already.”
Semi is not elite or even near elite in any facet of the game. He’s a pretty good defender, which is impressive given he was drafted in the second round, but calling him elite is a major exaggeration. As for a minutes prediction, I’d guess five minutes per game or so, with a lot more dnp-cd’s than a lot of people think unless an injury opens a spot for him. If Smart stays he is the 11th man on the roster at best, maybe 12th if Wanamaker can contribute. Hard to see a guy that far down the roster who can’t shoot, pass, dribble or finish at the rim getting a lot of time. The Celts have much better options.

I don’t think much of your scouting. You’re going to be surprised.
Maybe, I've never claimed any special insight. I just haven't seen enough to make me think he's going to be anything more than a defensive sub off the bench. I don't understand why so many people think he's going to be a big time player. What have you all seen in NBA action that gives you such confidence.
His defense will get him on the roster, it will get him some spot minutes when rotation guys get in foul trouble or need a night off. It makes him playable when a rotation guy goes down with an injury. But unless he finds a way to contribute on offense, I don't see why they would put him in the rotation. Hayward, Tatum, Brown, Morris, Theis and even Smart should get minutes before Semi.
He's the 11th man on the roster at best, maybe 12th. How many minutes can we expect the 11th or 12th man to get?

Agreed.

People get really carried away with this elite defender stuff. He plays good positional defense, but he's doesn't have the length to contest many shots and isn't going to be active in passing lanes either.

Offensively he doesn't have one single skill that you can say is even average. For his position, 3/4, he's a below average shooter, ball handler, passer, and doesn't have great instincts moving without the ball like a Hayward, Bradley, or even J. Bird have. People might look at his low 30's shooting percentage and think it's not too bad, but these are wide open shots he's taking and mostly shorter corner shots. Teams just ignore him, using his defender to help, which hurts are spacing and bogs down our offense.
I agree with all of this. And the fact that his three point shooting has not looked any better in summer league is concerning. If he can't shoot threes in summer league, how can we possibly expect him to shoot them in the NBA.

Who shoots well in summer league?
But he has also shown that he can't shoot well in the NBA. Why are we supposed to think that is going to change?

Because he was just a rookie last year, and frequently rookies are much better in their second season.
Title: Re: Celtics (3-1) vs Heat (2-2) Vegas SL Game 5 7/14/18
Post by: hodgy03038 on July 15, 2018, 10:21:50 AM
Who was it that missed the uncontested layup in crunch time?

And we had some crucial missed free throws at end of game that could have contributed to a loss or tie in the case of Yabu's miss.

Title: Re: Celtics (3-1) vs Heat (2-2) Vegas SL Game 5 7/14/18
Post by: bellerephon on July 15, 2018, 10:26:56 AM
He is not elite. He’s a good defender. He can’t hit threes. There will be few minutes.

Care to make a minutes prediction?

I take it you would at least agree that he’s elite at staying in front of his man and getting a hand up to contest (i.e.: quick hips and shoulders combined with anticipation), and that those are the most important skills for a defender. If not then we don’t need to waste time getting into the finer points.

You may remember after a game with Phoenix this past season that Brad remarked on his defense, saying something like he was on his way to being an elite defender, “and I’m not sure he isn’t there already.”
Semi is not elite or even near elite in any facet of the game. He’s a pretty good defender, which is impressive given he was drafted in the second round, but calling him elite is a major exaggeration. As for a minutes prediction, I’d guess five minutes per game or so, with a lot more dnp-cd’s than a lot of people think unless an injury opens a spot for him. If Smart stays he is the 11th man on the roster at best, maybe 12th if Wanamaker can contribute. Hard to see a guy that far down the roster who can’t shoot, pass, dribble or finish at the rim getting a lot of time. The Celts have much better options.

I don’t think much of your scouting. You’re going to be surprised.
Maybe, I've never claimed any special insight. I just haven't seen enough to make me think he's going to be anything more than a defensive sub off the bench. I don't understand why so many people think he's going to be a big time player. What have you all seen in NBA action that gives you such confidence.
His defense will get him on the roster, it will get him some spot minutes when rotation guys get in foul trouble or need a night off. It makes him playable when a rotation guy goes down with an injury. But unless he finds a way to contribute on offense, I don't see why they would put him in the rotation. Hayward, Tatum, Brown, Morris, Theis and even Smart should get minutes before Semi.
He's the 11th man on the roster at best, maybe 12th. How many minutes can we expect the 11th or 12th man to get?

Agreed.

People get really carried away with this elite defender stuff. He plays good positional defense, but he's doesn't have the length to contest many shots and isn't going to be active in passing lanes either.

Offensively he doesn't have one single skill that you can say is even average. For his position, 3/4, he's a below average shooter, ball handler, passer, and doesn't have great instincts moving without the ball like a Hayward, Bradley, or even J. Bird have. People might look at his low 30's shooting percentage and think it's not too bad, but these are wide open shots he's taking and mostly shorter corner shots. Teams just ignore him, using his defender to help, which hurts are spacing and bogs down our offense.
I agree with all of this. And the fact that his three point shooting has not looked any better in summer league is concerning. If he can't shoot threes in summer league, how can we possibly expect him to shoot them in the NBA.

Who shoots well in summer league?
But he has also shown that he can't shoot well in the NBA. Why are we supposed to think that is going to change?

Because he was just a rookie last year, and frequently rookies are much better in their second season.
And frequently they are not better, and so far we have seen no signs that he is better in the key area, three point shooting. I also worry that he is not going to get an opportunity to play. How can he get better if he doesn't play? Right now the Celts have too many guys ahead of him who should be playing.
Title: Re: Celtics (3-1) vs Heat (2-2) Vegas SL Game 5 7/14/18
Post by: hwangjini_1 on July 15, 2018, 11:22:15 AM
He is not elite. He’s a good defender. He can’t hit threes. There will be few minutes.

Care to make a minutes prediction?

I take it you would at least agree that he’s elite at staying in front of his man and getting a hand up to contest (i.e.: quick hips and shoulders combined with anticipation), and that those are the most important skills for a defender. If not then we don’t need to waste time getting into the finer points.

You may remember after a game with Phoenix this past season that Brad remarked on his defense, saying something like he was on his way to being an elite defender, “and I’m not sure he isn’t there already.”
Semi is not elite or even near elite in any facet of the game. He’s a pretty good defender, which is impressive given he was drafted in the second round, but calling him elite is a major exaggeration. As for a minutes prediction, I’d guess five minutes per game or so, with a lot more dnp-cd’s than a lot of people think unless an injury opens a spot for him. If Smart stays he is the 11th man on the roster at best, maybe 12th if Wanamaker can contribute. Hard to see a guy that far down the roster who can’t shoot, pass, dribble or finish at the rim getting a lot of time. The Celts have much better options.

I don’t think much of your scouting. You’re going to be surprised.
Maybe, I've never claimed any special insight. I just haven't seen enough to make me think he's going to be anything more than a defensive sub off the bench. I don't understand why so many people think he's going to be a big time player. What have you all seen in NBA action that gives you such confidence.
His defense will get him on the roster, it will get him some spot minutes when rotation guys get in foul trouble or need a night off. It makes him playable when a rotation guy goes down with an injury. But unless he finds a way to contribute on offense, I don't see why they would put him in the rotation. Hayward, Tatum, Brown, Morris, Theis and even Smart should get minutes before Semi.
He's the 11th man on the roster at best, maybe 12th. How many minutes can we expect the 11th or 12th man to get?

Agreed.

People get really carried away with this elite defender stuff. He plays good positional defense, but he's doesn't have the length to contest many shots and isn't going to be active in passing lanes either.

Offensively he doesn't have one single skill that you can say is even average. For his position, 3/4, he's a below average shooter, ball handler, passer, and doesn't have great instincts moving without the ball like a Hayward, Bradley, or even J. Bird have. People might look at his low 30's shooting percentage and think it's not too bad, but these are wide open shots he's taking and mostly shorter corner shots. Teams just ignore him, using his defender to help, which hurts are spacing and bogs down our offense.
I agree with all of this. And the fact that his three point shooting has not looked any better in summer league is concerning. If he can't shoot threes in summer league, how can we possibly expect him to shoot them in the NBA.

Who shoots well in summer league?
But he has also shown that he can't shoot well in the NBA. Why are we supposed to think that is going to change?

Because he was just a rookie last year, and frequently rookies are much better in their second season.
And frequently they are not better, and so far we have seen no signs that he is better in the key area, three point shooting. I also worry that he is not going to get an opportunity to play. How can he get better if he doesn't play? Right now the Celts have too many guys ahead of him who should be playing.
so, since all posters are making good points backed up by historical precedent, i guess the only way for us to know about his shooting is to wait and see?  ;D