the card is OK, nothin really special.
honestly, they should get rid of the WWE spinner belt, and replace it with a new one.
i somehow think steve austin will return to fight jericho. that's just me.
It just doesn't have the same quality characters like they did in the late '90s. When you had Stone Cold, The Rock, and Triple H...they were all great on the mic. They had great stroylines, and their matches were good. Personally, I think Triple H should be a heel, he's more sadistic when he is. Jericho needs to stay a heel. I hate the fact Orton is acting like a coward, he's better when he's always attacking. Cena is just redunant....it's always the same with him. Lose belt, get belt, Lose belt, get belt. It's just hard to get into with the same storyline over and over. Now when they had Coporate Ministry....that was sick!!!!
It's not just that the heels have better writing, the top heels (Edge, Jericho) are just so good with the mic, they can go off script so easily and still be great. Then, they know how to put on a show in the ring.
In the late 90's, the WWE had faces that could do that as well in the Rock and Stone Cold. They don't have that any more (except Micheals). (especially since HHH should still be a heal)
WWF is dying a slow and painful death.
Since Angle, The Rock and Stone Cold's departures it's become repetitive, boring and the storylines are plain awful. Too many wrestlers, too many titles. That's what happens when you buy out your competition. Vince McMahon shot himself in the foot because I don't see wrestling lasting that much longer unless there are drastic changes.
WWF is dying a slow and painful death.
I stopped watching maybe 5 years ago, a little bit before the Rock called it a career. It wasn't that bad then, but when I tried to start watching again It was just horrible. I see enough just to barely know whats going on. It's become so predictable, and there is no real star power. Undertaker is getting old, Jericho is hunting down senior citizens, Triple H has no rival, Ray Mysterio turned into a high flying fat short guy, and there's the John Cena the gangsta white guy from springfield massachusetts ::). It's also pretty sad that Kane is still basically a bottom feeder along the same tier as new guys like MVP, who makes me never want to watch wrestling ever again. No new faces, nothing really worth seeing.
I don't remember if it was always like this, but it also bugs me that the "bad guy" can't ever win unless he cheats. For example we already know Triple H is going to beat the snot out of Orton, or Orton will narrowly win in a match he was losing by cheating somehow.WWF is dying a slow and painful death.
Sidenote: WWE refs > NBA refs.
WWE is has had trouble in the last few years building new characters. Every pay-per-view is just some version of HHH, HBK, Taker, Cena, Edge, Y2J, Edge, and most recently Orton fighting each other. Where is all the new young talent? I don't watch as much anymore, but from what I've seen, guys like Festus and Kozlov could have been stars if promoted better. Also, TNA has some great talent like Styles and Samoa Joe but they won't come to the WWE because Vince McMahon will put them on ECW or make them carry HHH's bags. Until new talent comes in and refreshes the product, my interest level will be low.
So anybody watch Wrestlemania last night? I didn't, but checked out some recaps and reviews, and it didn't seem like anything special unless you count a 10 minute Kid Rock concert. Just wondering what people thought.
So anybody watch Wrestlemania last night? I didn't, but checked out some recaps and reviews, and it didn't seem like anything special unless you count a 10 minute Kid Rock concert. Just wondering what people thought.
It was bad. The last two wrestlemanias were much better. Taker-HBK stole the show, but the person I was more impressed with was Ricky Steamboat, he was great. He was amazing in the ring. He showed hardly any rust at all. Snuka and Piper were awful as expected. Cena winning was expected, the match was decent, triple H-Randy Orton was just bad though. The show surprised me quite a bit a actually because there was not one surprise. No run ins, nothing at all.
It was bad. The last two wrestlemanias were much better. Taker-HBK stole the show, but the person I was more impressed with was Ricky Steamboat, he was great. He was amazing in the ring. He showed hardly any rust at all. Snuka and Piper were awful as expected. Cena winning was expected, the match was decent, triple H-Randy Orton was just bad though. The show surprised me quite a bit a actually because there was not one surprise. No run ins, nothing at all.
i know it will never happen, but someone, be it vince or shane, needs to reign in the whole "hunter is ALWAYS the champ or number one contender" angle that steph constanly pushes as head booker.
I mean, i know its her husband, but she has to develop more people for M/E status as head of creative.
It was bad. The last two wrestlemanias were much better. Taker-HBK stole the show, but the person I was more impressed with was Ricky Steamboat, he was great. He was amazing in the ring. He showed hardly any rust at all. Snuka and Piper were awful as expected. Cena winning was expected, the match was decent, triple H-Randy Orton was just bad though. The show surprised me quite a bit a actually because there was not one surprise. No run ins, nothing at all.
i know it will never happen, but someone, be it vince or shane, needs to reign in the whole "hunter is ALWAYS the champ or number one contender" angle that steph constanly pushes as head booker.
I mean, i know its her husband, but she has to develop more people for M/E status as head of creative.
Legit, they built Randy Orton up so well and then made him and Legacy look so weak just by last night. How was DiBiase and Rhodes not by the ring at one point during that match? They dropped the ball with this Mania, they had a chance to really make Randy Orton the biggest heel of the company in a long time and they just blew it. I'm going to give it two more weeks and see what happens tonight and the draft the week after and if I'm not liking it, I'm probably going to stop watching, I am just so tired of Triple H.
Last nights raw was ok, I’d give it a B, but it was hurt by the fact that they had to recap WM25 for all who didn’t buy it, so it did well to earn a B.
The Return of batista is great for the company, he’s on of the only “wow” wrestlers left power wise. Can’t cut a promo, but just an awesome “animal” type character. He’s like a super jacked George the animal. Good to see them take Vince out of the Evolution-WWE first family fued.
Back to that, I really, really dislike how they are doing the evolution vs. HHH and friends angle. With the new stipulation to the back lash 3 v 3, its pretty clear that shane or batista is going to get pinned by Orton, giving Orton the title while maintaining the “hunter job’s to no one” aura and giving hunter instant #1 contender status as the champ who lost his belt without being pinned. Note to hunter: put someone other than shawn over once in awhile, it doesn’t mean your not a top guy in the company.
Allstar match was awesome, glad they brought ricky back for the fans who didn’t grab WM25 to see, he was unbelievable for his age in this match. Guys still got it.
Last nights raw was ok, I’d give it a B, but it was hurt by the fact that they had to recap WM25 for all who didn’t buy it, so it did well to earn a B.
The Return of batista is great for the company, he’s on of the only “wow” wrestlers left power wise. Can’t cut a promo, but just an awesome “animal” type character. He’s like a super jacked George the animal. Good to see them take Vince out of the Evolution-WWE first family fued.
Back to that, I really, really dislike how they are doing the evolution vs. HHH and friends angle. With the new stipulation to the back lash 3 v 3, its pretty clear that shane or batista is going to get pinned by Orton, giving Orton the title while maintaining the “hunter job’s to no one” aura and giving hunter instant #1 contender status as the champ who lost his belt without being pinned. Note to hunter: put someone other than shawn over once in awhile, it doesn’t mean your not a top guy in the company.
Allstar match was awesome, glad they brought ricky back for the fans who didn’t grab WM25 to see, he was unbelievable for his age in this match. Guys still got it.
I think this is a set up to either turn HHH or Batista heel. Most likely Batista.
i been lookin at he post n replies
wrestlin seems to have turn into a big soap opera
what happened to the plow driver and the cobra clucth, the choke slam?
I don't buy the ppvs, but I was shocked to see Miz only got 5 minutes and lost clean - why build it up like that just to kill him - the wwe needs more heels, and he has been so perfect in the role...
I don't buy the ppvs, but I was shocked to see Miz only got 5 minutes and lost clean - why build it up like that just to kill him - the wwe needs more heels, and he has been so perfect in the role...
yea, i don't buy them either, I stream them if im home or read the spoilers, but i totally agree on miz, what was the point of his build up if he jobs in 5 minutes without one offensive move?
The Miz squash is a chance to move Cena on.
The whole Evolution fighting is killing the show. It is boring. I can see them moving to a Cena/Orton program.
They have killed Priceless (I don't like the new name). Every week, they get beat up by a single person, wrestler or owner.
They are doing a much better job on Smackdown with story lines. They have the better athletes right now. They have two of the best heels (with CM punk having a chance to show why he is a good heel) They can carry the weak promo of the top faces right now.
The Miz squash is a chance to move Cena on.
The whole Evolution fighting is killing the show. It is boring. I can see them moving to a Cena/Orton program.
They have killed Priceless (I don't like the new name). Every week, they get beat up by a single person, wrestler or owner.
They are doing a much better job on Smackdown with story lines. They have the better athletes right now. They have two of the best heels (with CM punk having a chance to show why he is a good heel) They can carry the weak promo of the top faces right now.
I agree WDL, they need to do something to shake up priceless and orton, because the HHH fued is doing nothing for them if it just means they get destroyed every week.
and on miz, i agree with you, and i'm cool with cena winning in a dominate fashion...i just think they could have given miz SOME sort of leg to stand on in that match.
I mean, where does he go from here? he has no momentum, because cena buried him SO badly. It's one thing to beat a guy, it another to crush him in a 5 minute squash and even add in the "kickign dirt on his grave" move after the attitude adjustment.
Again, mabey raw has a good swerve for us tonight on that, but it just seemed poorly booked. result of the match was fine, booking of the match not so much (for me anyway)
but yea, smackdown is just a much better product right now. Raw is so stale, and really has no mid card...Hopefully a shake up is coming, edge and Y2J holding the unified belts will at least give them two main eventers that they can put in the upper mid card to prop up the show while showcasing younger raw guys as tag teams.
only caught the second half of raw - good to see Miz hang with Cena - though I'd be an unhappy camper if I paid for the ppv to see that match then get a better version of it the next day...
the gauntlet match was interesting - my only problem with it is its assumed the 1 (in the 3 on 1) will at least make it to the third guy - I liked how they had Swagger lay down, made a lot of sense. Same thing when you see a match is going to be 2 out of 3 falls (or 3 stages of hell) you know its going to go all 3 falls - I'd love to see someone come out and just win the 1st 2, leaving the 3rd in the lurch.. that'd be a surprise
as far as edge's finisher (edge happens to be my favorite wrestler - would love to see him back with Christian but I digress) what happened to the edge-a-cutioner? I do like the spear, as its sudden and can lead directly to a pin - and if I'm remembering correctly the only other guy to use a spear is Batista, so its more of a legit finisher (which is why I think guys who rely on the ddt can be lame b/c everyone has a ddt in their arsenol)
hmm.. I like the concept of guest host, but I don't think they should have unlimmited power - what kept Batista from stripping orton of the title and giving it to himself or HHH? I like continuity and logic in my wrestling, but that may be asking too much at times...
im way offtopic as i always be but...
i jus watched "the wrestle"r wih micky rouke *spell check*
it got me a lil bit....u know that throat thing..choke..
*sippin*
this is the worst episode of raw ever
this is the worst episode of raw ever
I dunno about that, but it was pretty forgettable.
this is the worst episode of raw ever
I dunno about that, but it was pretty forgettable.
I only really have time to watch Raw, so I miss out on all of the smackdown goodness that I keep hearing about. This one was dissapointing; I kinda felt bad for ZZ Top, I mean they didn't even let them play their own instruments, it was just weird and awkward. And Santino (as much as I like him) dancing in a thong...not cool. Lets see - same main event as last week except without Seth Green - I really wish Orton beat the crap out of someone and looked credible going into the PPV - don't people pay to see faces get their revenge on heels? hmm, Y2J was ok, and the 6 man tag was enjoyable - strong finish there, but the rest was filler crap
but yeah maybe not worst ever, but in the moment it was pretty darned bad
on the plus side, big Diesel in the ring on Monday? I hope the Cavs have language in their contract that says he can't wrestle or we may see:
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_dIuw-pJie68/RrdTHwZlGhI/AAAAAAAAAM4/-xVg9fB4Mno/s320/MaloneRodmanWrestle.jpg)
any way Show vs. Shaq at Summerslam....that'd be awesome
Anyone else want to see Shawn Michaels Super Kick HHH at Summerslam giving "Priceless" the win and setting up a fued (with HBK as the heel) that could go to the Royal Rumble?
Nothing to really talk about this week...i thought raw pretty much sucked outside of the promo hunter gave after legacy beat him down, which was funny.
Nothing to really talk about this week...i thought raw pretty much sucked outside of the promo hunter gave after legacy beat him down, which was funny.
I dunno, I thought it was a little mean spirited...Batista's always injured (sure its true, but it doesn't help him get over does it?) and the shot at Flair was especially low - now if those guys were in on it, fine, but to sully Flair's name without furthering any sort of storyline seemed kinda lame to me
for hoyo:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhOkUQKmmKM
It's no coincidence that Raw got good for the period of time HHH was on Smackdown, as soon as he returned it was business as usual. He doesn't seem to understand how to win a match while making the opponent look halfway decent (example being Orton pinning Primo clean on Superstars, while not treating him like a jobber). Even after the clean(!!) loss to Rhodes and Dibiase, he had to immediately get his heat back.
Used to be a huge HHH fan, but he hasn't evolved as a wrestler or character in years and it is getting beyond stale.
for hoyo:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhOkUQKmmKM
This guys athleticism is CRAZY. Watch how high he gets in the air on some of his regular standing dropkicks. They have to use him more. Nice find crownsy...
Also I gotta be honest I'm just sick of HHH. He's been there forever and I've just had enough of him.
If only they would let him do his double flip shooting star press.
But at least they let him do some flying moves. They don't let Ray do anything but sit on people or that stupid frog splash that looks like a belly flop. Without those moves, I have a hard time 'believing' he could beat certain larger wrestlers. (even with those moves I don't believe in him beating guys like Kane)
Spoilter Alert
just finished watching Orton vs. Cena... I love the finish, I really thought they were going to give the belt to Cena
now the key is to make Randy a dangerous heel, get him a nice win streak, he needs to move away from the cowardly heel role imo
ROH > WWE...imo.
it was weird on the Undertaker comeback, did the lights flash early? b/c I was thinking right before they went out, taker's coming back, call it my woman's intuition....
but yeah DL, I've never seen ROH, maybe I should check it out
it was weird on the Undertaker comeback, did the lights flash early? b/c I was thinking right before they went out, taker's coming back, call it my woman's intuition....
but yeah DL, I've never seen ROH, maybe I should check it out
i havent really watched wwe in several yrs. slowly stopped once wcw and ecw were bought out. vince owned it all and the lack of competition made his product extrememly boring, mundane, and watered down for my taste.
alot of roh's talent have moved on to wwe and tna. the first 3 yrs or so of roh were among the best wrestling i have seen with regards to wrestling and talent.
it was weird on the Undertaker comeback, did the lights flash early? b/c I was thinking right before they went out, taker's coming back, call it my woman's intuition....
but yeah DL, I've never seen ROH, maybe I should check it out
i havent really watched wwe in several yrs. slowly stopped once wcw and ecw were bought out. vince owned it all and the lack of competition made his product extrememly boring, mundane, and watered down for my taste.
alot of roh's talent have moved on to wwe and tna. the first 3 yrs or so of roh were among the best wrestling i have seen with regards to wrestling and talent.
well, that and the ratings swich to PG instead of TV-14
Once they lost rock and austin, All they really had left from the attitude era was Y2J and H3, and they weren't carrying the ratings with parent's not letting their kids watch. Rumors are Vince was about to get booted off USA since only 20+ year olds were watching.
Thus the move to "safer" angles and cutting down the risky angles that made the attitude era so awesome :/
It still kills raw, i might catch one raw a month if im bored. Smackdown, where the emphasis seems very ROH like, and they focus more on wrestling, still has me watching though.
Between punk, morrison, the hart dynasty, crime time, jericho, rey, ziggler, heck even mike knox and R-truth, they easily have the best actual in ring talent.
RAw is just a bloated show, though im quite happy they are pushing randy orton, who is easily the only good thing about raw's M/E.
Hell, if smackdown somehow got orton and legacy, and added kofi and evan bourne, it would be the perfect show :D
ROH > WWE...imo.
MEh, i like there tag team stuff alot, just because WWE doesn't do true tag teams much anymore, they are just stepping stones to see who's a singles star in the making (i.e john morrison)
I will say, for me it depends on the show..err brand your comparing ROH to. If ROH were a WWE show it would go
1.Smackdown (best pure wrestling WWE has, light on promo's that aren't M/E'ers)
2.ROH (like there tag team action, and nigel)
3.raw (often relies to much on angles and interviews, and not on actual wrestling. See: guest host gimmick)
in order of "want to watch" for me.
EDIT @ Cdif: It's good, i like that its almost exclusively wrestling, they cut out almost all promo's, unless its a M/E guy. They have some talented guys there as well. Definitely worth a look.
Alot of the newer WWE crowd got there start there, like the new champion, and your straight edge hero, CM Punk!
speaking of ROH
WWE just signed The American Dragon Bryan Danielson...
speaking of ROH
WWE just signed The American Dragon Bryan Danielson...
interesting.....i think he has lost some of his edge. if they got him a few yrs ago, it would be best for both parties, imo. his style wont win the wwe fans over, thats for sure.
speaking of ROH
WWE just signed The American Dragon Bryan Danielson...
interesting.....i think he has lost some of his edge. if they got him a few yrs ago, it would be best for both parties, imo. his style wont win the wwe fans over, thats for sure.
He's 26!
Making my fellow 26 year old self feel ancient DL ;D
speaking of ROH
WWE just signed The American Dragon Bryan Danielson...
interesting.....i think he has lost some of his edge. if they got him a few yrs ago, it would be best for both parties, imo. his style wont win the wwe fans over, thats for sure.
He's 26!
Making my fellow 26 year old self feel ancient DL ;D
speaking of ROH
WWE just signed The American Dragon Bryan Danielson...
interesting.....i think he has lost some of his edge. if they got him a few yrs ago, it would be best for both parties, imo. his style wont win the wwe fans over, thats for sure.
He's 26!
Making my fellow 26 year old self feel ancient DL ;D
my bad. too be honest, i didnt realize he was that young. i just think he was better, at least tactically and technically, a few yrs ago.
i believe danielson would fit in very well on either smackdown or ecw
i think he is ready to jump into one of the TV rosters ASAP, provided that he doesnt touch a mic - ever
Always good to see new guys hit the WWE.
Always good to see new guys hit the WWE.
that i agree with.
Always good to see new guys hit the WWE.
that i agree with.
yea, does it make me a bad person that when the older main event crowd on raw has matches i root for father time to win so mabey someone else can get into the M/E?
At least orton kept the title, i don't think i could have taken another john cena title run....I can only take so many 15 minute boring matches, 14 of which are john getting his butt kicked and the final minute is Shoulder block, shoulder block, back drop, five knuckle shuffle, counter into Edited. Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. or attitude adjustment. :-X :-X
Always good to see new guys hit the WWE.
that i agree with.
yea, does it make me a bad person that when the older main event crowd on raw has matches i root for father time to win so mabey someone else can get into the M/E?
At least orton kept the title, i don't think i could have taken another john cena title run....I can only take so many 15 minute boring matches, 14 of which are john getting his butt kicked and the final minute is Shoulder block, shoulder block, back drop, five knuckle shuffle, counter into Edited. Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. or attitude adjustment. :-X :-X
pst crownsy message on anime thread?
anything about samurai7
20 of 27 episodes watched during this weekend
seems really nice
plan to watch the end tonight
Always good to see new guys hit the WWE.
that i agree with.
yea, does it make me a bad person that when the older main event crowd on raw has matches i root for father time to win so mabey someone else can get into the M/E?
At least orton kept the title, i don't think i could have taken another john cena title run....I can only take so many 15 minute boring matches, 14 of which are john getting his butt kicked and the final minute is Shoulder block, shoulder block, back drop, five knuckle shuffle, counter into Edited. Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. or attitude adjustment. :-X :-X
pst crownsy message on anime thread?
anything about samurai7
20 of 27 episodes watched during this weekend
seems really nice
plan to watch the end tonight
I really liked samurai 7, thought it was really good.
I need a new anime to watch myself, I haven't watched anything since Code geass :(
Ring Of Honor has sent out the following statement:
Nigel McGuinness has agreed in principle to a contract with World Wrestling Entertainment
.
Nigel has been a tremendous leader in the Ring of Honor locker room and, without question, a wonderful performer. His merits, both in and out of the ring, are extraordinary and any locker room with Nigel McGuinness in it is better for it. We couldn’t be happier for Nigel as he takes the next step in his stellar wrestling career, and we extend our heartfelt gratitude to Nigel for all he’s worked for and through.
Nigel has pledged to fulfill his scheduled Ring of Honor commitments. Please join us in Philadelphia, Boston, and New York as we bid an extremely fond farewell to another member of our family.
Everyone at Ring of Honor is extremely proud to have called both Nigel McGuinness and Bryan Danielson their own; and we looking forward to seeing their stars shine brighter than ever. Like many of the wonderful sons of Ring of Honor that have written new chapters in their wrestling annals, we will look on with a bittersweet smile to the future where we have no doubt that Nigel and Bryan will amaze the masses – just like they’ve done so many times in Ring of Honor.
With the closing of this chapter a new one opens in Ring of Honor. We now look to an exciting time where new stars will blaze their own paths, while looking back in reverence to those who came before them. Who will seize the opportunity and carry the torch for ROH? We only hope that whoever it is will carry it with the same respect - the same honor - that Bryan and Nigel have.
n a move that will probably take most fans of the company by surprise, former TNA Knockouts champion Angelina Love of the Beautiful People was released late yesterday by the company.
According to numerous sources within the company, there was some sort of issue with Love's work visa (she's Canadian) expiring and not being renewed as needed.
Love, who worked for TNA as recently as the Impact tapings this past Monday and Tuesday, had been working on a work visa originally granted to her from when she was under a WWE developmental deal. The existing visa has either expired or will expire shortly.
One TNA source referred to it as the company's "hands being tied" since they can't legally use Love if she doesn't have her paperwork in order. There was a lot of unhappiness within the company regarding the entire situation going down, although it seemed to be more disappointment as opposed to heat on Love.
My guess is that TNA would bring her back if and when she can get her paperwork in order, although the release would conceivably leave her available to sign with WWE and work there (pending a new work visa).
Love and Velvet Sky, as the Beautiful People, had been the top heel act for the TNA Knockouts division and were scheduled to be involved in an important bout on the No Surrender PPV on 9/22.
WWE got another ROH star, I really like this kid too. This pretty much rips ROH's main event apart though (bryan and nigel were pretty much 1 and 2) which im not a big fan of however.
But, should be fun to see how they do in the WWE.QuoteRing Of Honor has sent out the following statement:
Nigel McGuinness has agreed in principle to a contract with World Wrestling Entertainment
.
Nigel has been a tremendous leader in the Ring of Honor locker room and, without question, a wonderful performer. His merits, both in and out of the ring, are extraordinary and any locker room with Nigel McGuinness in it is better for it. We couldn’t be happier for Nigel as he takes the next step in his stellar wrestling career, and we extend our heartfelt gratitude to Nigel for all he’s worked for and through.
Nigel has pledged to fulfill his scheduled Ring of Honor commitments. Please join us in Philadelphia, Boston, and New York as we bid an extremely fond farewell to another member of our family.
Everyone at Ring of Honor is extremely proud to have called both Nigel McGuinness and Bryan Danielson their own; and we looking forward to seeing their stars shine brighter than ever. Like many of the wonderful sons of Ring of Honor that have written new chapters in their wrestling annals, we will look on with a bittersweet smile to the future where we have no doubt that Nigel and Bryan will amaze the masses – just like they’ve done so many times in Ring of Honor.
With the closing of this chapter a new one opens in Ring of Honor. We now look to an exciting time where new stars will blaze their own paths, while looking back in reverence to those who came before them. Who will seize the opportunity and carry the torch for ROH? We only hope that whoever it is will carry it with the same respect - the same honor - that Bryan and Nigel have.
It will be cool to see which one of them gets farther, due to their different styles.
Bryan is a super technical wrestler, but not a huge charismatic personality guy.
Nigel is a big charisma and look guy, but his offense is very non-flashy.
My guess is nigel goes farther, realitivly, but im hoping im wrong.
Wow, Jeff hardy just got arrested with a ton of illegal pain pills....That sucks, i like jeff alot :(
Bet the WWE is happy he didn't want to sign that extension right about now.
Does it make ZERO sense to anyone else why WWE would Have Rhodes and DiBiase win but not Orton? They finally put Rhodes and DiBiase over and had they put Orton over as well, they could have looked like a legit stable finally. Unless they have Orton turn on Rhodes and DiBiase or the other way around, this makes no sense.
Been awhile since this thread came up, but did anyone watch raw tonight?
Wow, kofi kingston....I didn't know you had that in you buddy. Kofi is officially money after that segment.
I'll post the clip once it hits youtube for those who missed it, just blown away by that promo. If this fued with orton goes well, kofi could really take off.
I'm pulling for him. great move to use bragging rights to drop the whole fake jamican accent thing. Let that kid talk, he gave a killer promo right there just being himself and not "the fun loving Jamaican midcarder".
Please don't screw this up WWE, use that pop and GO KOFI!
http://www.wwe.com/content/media/video/vms/raw/2009/october22-28/12278228
thats a mix of the promo's between orton and kofi last night. worth a watch, some of the best programming they've done in awhile.
EDIT: ahhh man, they cut the part where kofi key'd the side of it, that was one of the best parts. Still worth the watch though.
I haven't watch wrestling in years, that was cool very convincing too convincing. When he says he's leaving does he mean the WWE entirely? If so I wouldn't be surprised if he was serious and that was real. The only thing that makes me question is the fact that he got to go off for so long.
I had to pull this thread back from the grave because of CM Punk's epic GOAT promo last night. It's a worked shoot, but he said a ton of true stuff that alot of fans think.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9wnH66KxNo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9wnH66KxNo)
I had to pull this thread back from the grave because of CM Punk's epic GOAT promo last night. It's a worked shoot, but he said a ton of true stuff that alot of fans think.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9wnH66KxNo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9wnH66KxNo)
After that promo I was like a little child. From what I've read on the dirtsheets, they let Punk wing that.
After that promo I was like a little child. From what I've read on the dirtsheets, they let Punk wing that.
I tried to find an already exisiting WWE thread, but no luck. Sorry.
But anyways, just finished reading this article by the Masked Man and thought it was absolutely fantastic. Anyone else read it / watch Raw on Monday?
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9609037/wwe-villains-supposed-make-mad-cheer-about (http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9609037/wwe-villains-supposed-make-mad-cheer-about)
The essence of the article is how difficult it is to make a real heel today, and how great of a job the WWE has done w/ this most recent Orton/HHH alliance. And I can't agree more: Might be a good time to buy stock in the WWE, I could see this angle being very profitable for them.
Another poor WWE PPV :(
They are failing at creating excitement going into Wrestlemania.
They can still recover, but last night was an embarrassing way to end a show. They try to drown out the boos and chants for the guy who was not in the match with really loud music, and it didn't work.
There is still an angle in this.
Too many WWE employees commenting on the disappointment of Bryan not being in the Rumble. About the WWE not listening to the fans.
HHH, the steroid freak that he is, has always had a booking philosophy of bigger is better. Probably always will. Bryan and Punk, though wildly popular, are not the type of big, muscleheaded entertainers that HHH feels is the most marketable of assets.
Until a young large star like Reigns comes into his own, the WWE is going to continue with the trend of having guys like Batista, the Rock, and Shemus come back and be the focal points of championship pushes, especially now with only one world title.
The other thing I noticed is that there don't seem to be any really compelling heels. Orton's promos have not really impressed me. Brock might be able to fill those shoes but so far he just seems to be a wild animal. I think you need to have some mic skills and display intelligence to be a top heel. I'm not sure what to make of the return of Batista because I have no familiarity with him at all. The crowd seems completely indifferent to him and he's supposed to be a superstar! That suggests to me they might as well make them all heels (especially since Batista and Orton resemble each other).
The WWE has a bad product right now. Sometimes they just don't know what they got. Cesaro and Zigler need major pushes. But I have to see the same boring storylines with the same boring wrestlers week after week after week.
The other thing I noticed is that there don't seem to be any really compelling heels. Orton's promos have not really impressed me. Brock might be able to fill those shoes but so far he just seems to be a wild animal. I think you need to have some mic skills and display intelligence to be a top heel. I'm not sure what to make of the return of Batista because I have no familiarity with him at all. The crowd seems completely indifferent to him and he's supposed to be a superstar! That suggests to me they might as well make them all heels (especially since Batista and Orton resemble each other).
CM Punk was the last compelling heel during his Taker feud. I thought Orton would be good as a heel, but HHH carried that all the way, he's boring.
I think Batista should turn. He's going to be legit. Especially now that he has got this heat from the Rumble.
But you're right. There's not a bad guy outside of Brock that I can really "believe" in. And the fact that they are missing the obvious and the easy solution baffles me.
They need that heel, and to do that, simple. Just screw Daniel Bryan off a championship and you get supernova heat. See Sheamus, see HHH, and see Rey Mysterio. And Mysterio did not even try to turn.
People over the age of 13 still watch this stuff?
Man, I use to love wrestling.
Bring back Mankind!
People over the age of 13 still watch this stuff?
Man, I use to love wrestling.
Bring back Mankind!
Call me 13 years old then. ;D
i say Sting will sign with the WWE...They need new blood in there, though Sting is in his mid 50's, he will bring more ppl to the shows and generate more money for Vince
Elimination Chamber was great.
Matches we're awesome, intense and a little bit unpredictable. Of course D-Bry gets screwed again to p--- off the IWC.
But man, better than the ugly Rumble.
Elimination Chamber was great.
Matches we're awesome, intense and a little bit unpredictable. Of course D-Bry gets screwed again to p--- off the IWC.
But man, better than the ugly Rumble.
There was a huge difference with the D-Bry ending though. Cole ranting about how he has been treated since summerslam and the multiple shots of upset fans really point towards a big closing of that story line.
And no way can the advertised main event take place as is.
i say Sting will sign with the WWE...They need new blood in there, though Sting is in his mid 50's, he will bring more ppl to the shows and generate more money for Vince
People over the age of 13 still watch this stuff?
Man, I use to love wrestling.
Bring back Mankind!
The WWE has a bad product right now. Sometimes they just don't know what they got. Cesaro and Zigler need major pushes. But I have to see the same boring storylines with the same boring wrestlers week after week after week.
Ziggler has been legit hurt. But once again, he's one of those internet darlings (along with Punk and Bryan) that are popular but does not really draw anything.
And unfortunately it boils down to that. If they move merchandise like Cena, we probably would have seen a couple of Ziggler runs. Punk kinda held WWE hostage and got his, Bryan is starting to get there.
Cesaro, I'm still not sold if he can spark interest. He's indeed a technician in the ring, and his "spin move" is over. But can he carry a storyline? I still don't see a "character" from him other than this strong dude. His 5 language thing didnt really work.
People over the age of 13 still watch this stuff?
The WWE has a bad product right now. Sometimes they just don't know what they got. Cesaro and Zigler need major pushes. But I have to see the same boring storylines with the same boring wrestlers week after week after week.
Ziggler has been legit hurt. But once again, he's one of those internet darlings (along with Punk and Bryan) that are popular but does not really draw anything.
And unfortunately it boils down to that. If they move merchandise like Cena, we probably would have seen a couple of Ziggler runs. Punk kinda held WWE hostage and got his, Bryan is starting to get there.
Cesaro, I'm still not sold if he can spark interest. He's indeed a technician in the ring, and his "spin move" is over. But can he carry a storyline? I still don't see a "character" from him other than this strong dude. His 5 language thing didnt really work.
Cesaro!!!
By the way, elimination chamber was terrible!
The WWE has a bad product right now. Sometimes they just don't know what they got. Cesaro and Zigler need major pushes. But I have to see the same boring storylines with the same boring wrestlers week after week after week.
Ziggler has been legit hurt. But once again, he's one of those internet darlings (along with Punk and Bryan) that are popular but does not really draw anything.
And unfortunately it boils down to that. If they move merchandise like Cena, we probably would have seen a couple of Ziggler runs. Punk kinda held WWE hostage and got his, Bryan is starting to get there.
Cesaro, I'm still not sold if he can spark interest. He's indeed a technician in the ring, and his "spin move" is over. But can he carry a storyline? I still don't see a "character" from him other than this strong dude. His 5 language thing didnt really work.
Cesaro!!!
By the way, elimination chamber was terrible!
Disagree.
The match were good. The Chamber match was great but got predictable when Kane came in. But even then there was good match booking that you thought at the last minute Bryan could stil win. The showcased the entire 6 man talent well, including Cesaro, who was a treat to watch.
The rest of the matches were good.
And then the Shield - Wyatt match that stole the show. I thought it was way bVicioushan the rumble.
The WWE has a bad product right now. Sometimes they just don't know what they got. Cesaro and Zigler need major pushes. But I have to see the same boring storylines with the same boring wrestlers week after week after week.
Ziggler has been legit hurt. But once again, he's one of those internet darlings (along with Punk and Bryan) that are popular but does not really draw anything.
And unfortunately it boils down to that. If they move merchandise like Cena, we probably would have seen a couple of Ziggler runs. Punk kinda held WWE hostage and got his, Bryan is starting to get there.
Cesaro, I'm still not sold if he can spark interest. He's indeed a technician in the ring, and his "spin move" is over. But can he carry a storyline? I still don't see a "character" from him other than this strong dude. His 5 language thing didnt really work.
Cesaro!!!
By the way, elimination chamber was terrible!
Disagree.
The match were good. The Chamber match was great but got predictable when Kane came in. But even then there was good match booking that you thought at the last minute Bryan could stil win. The showcased the entire 6 man talent well, including Cesaro, who was a treat to watch.
The rest of the matches were good.
And then the Shield - Wyatt match that stole the show. I thought it was way bVicioushan the rumble.
I found it very predictable and boring. No way Christian or Cesaro were going to win. Wrestlemania 30 looks like it's going to be a stinker. I don't want to see:
Lesnar vs Undertaker
Wyatt's vs Cena
Batista vs Orton
Bryan vs Kane/HHH
Cesaro vs Jack Swagger
It might end up being worse than the Undertaker vs Sid Vicious Wrestlemania.
Why aren't they bringing back my favourite heel of all time, Kurt Angle?
Just like watching the LeBron play in the NBA he is a face and gets all the calls.
Just like watching the LeBron play in the NBA he is a face and gets all the calls.
Except in the WWE, the officials only miss the call when they are distracted and looking the other way. ;D
Haha who is that standing on the turnbuckle?
So the rumored CM Punk return didn't happen, much to the disappointment of that tremendous crowd.
I was pumped, and felt cheated when he didn't show up. Good job, WWE.
So the rumored CM Punk return didn't happen, much to the disappointment of that tremendous crowd.
I was pumped, and felt cheated when he didn't show up. Good job, WWE.
This is where I reveal myself to be a true nerd -
But this whole Punk think has given me a new appreciation for John Cena as a wrestler/employee. Details haven't come out, but it certainly seems like Punk didn't like where things were heading for his character and he decided to take his ball and go home. His dispute lies with HHH, who has a history of backstage politicking which questionably led to a few burials.
Cena? He's the biggest name going, and the only thing he does is do what's asked of him - Does the job when he should do the job, wins when he needs to win. Half the crowds vehemently boo'ng him and he doesn't ask for a change. Just keeps his head down and does his job
So the rumored CM Punk return didn't happen, much to the disappointment of that tremendous crowd.
I was pumped, and felt cheated when he didn't show up. Good job, WWE.
This is where I reveal myself to be a true nerd -
But this whole Punk think has given me a new appreciation for John Cena as a wrestler/employee. Details haven't come out, but it certainly seems like Punk didn't like where things were heading for his character and he decided to take his ball and go home. His dispute lies with HHH, who has a history of backstage politicking which questionably led to a few burials.
Cena? He's the biggest name going, and the only thing he does is do what's asked of him - Does the job when he should do the job, wins when he needs to win. Half the crowds vehemently boo'ng him and he doesn't ask for a change. Just keeps his head down and does his job
This whole thing makes me dislike Punk as a person even more (he always came off kind of selfish to me).
Here’s a guy that’s been given so many great opportunities. Here we have a guy who has had a longer single championship reign than anybody in the modern era other than Hulk Hogan at 434 days. That’s longer than Cena, Shawn Michaels, The Undertaker, The Rock, Stone Cold, Bret Hart, etc. And he probably had a great chance of ending up Top 5 in the modern era for combined reigns had he stuck around.
Here’s a guy that has probably headlined more pay per views over the last few years other than Cena. He’s headlined over a dozen pay per views and got to face the legends like The Rock, The Undertaker, as well as John Cena. How many guys on the current roster have faced both The Rock and The Undertaker?
Here’s a guy that’s been given so much, but still not happy because he’s not headlining WrestleMania and because he doesn’t have the biggest spotlight on him. It’s like if Tim Duncan got mad that somebody was always more popular than him, from Shaq to Kobe to LeBron, even though he was still always one of the most respected and best players in the game and was always working hard. Just face it, the Finals you headlined didn’t draw the ratings the other guys did. And even though we put you in a lot of national TV games, we’re sorry that we feature the Heat and Lakers more than you, but they just pull better ratings.
There’s nothing wrong with being the Macho Man to John Cena’s Hulk Hogan, but he can’t take it. Unless this all really is just a work, which some people think it is (though maybe that theory took a little bit of a blow when he didn't show up on Raw last night...)
Nothing has slowed down 'the Yes Movement' quite like CM Punk's departure, and nothing could bring it to more of a halt than his return.
So the rumored CM Punk return didn't happen, much to the disappointment of that tremendous crowd.
I was pumped, and felt cheated when he didn't show up. Good job, WWE.
This is where I reveal myself to be a true nerd -
But this whole Punk think has given me a new appreciation for John Cena as a wrestler/employee. Details haven't come out, but it certainly seems like Punk didn't like where things were heading for his character and he decided to take his ball and go home. His dispute lies with HHH, who has a history of backstage politicking which questionably led to a few burials.
Cena? He's the biggest name going, and the only thing he does is do what's asked of him - Does the job when he should do the job, wins when he needs to win. Half the crowds vehemently boo'ng him and he doesn't ask for a change. Just keeps his head down and does his job
This whole thing makes me dislike Punk as a person even more (he always came off kind of selfish to me).
Here’s a guy that’s been given so many great opportunities. Here we have a guy who has had a longer single championship reign than anybody in the modern era other than Hulk Hogan at 434 days. That’s longer than Cena, Shawn Michaels, The Undertaker, The Rock, Stone Cold, Bret Hart, etc. And he probably had a great chance of ending up Top 5 in the modern era for combined reigns had he stuck around.
Here’s a guy that has probably headlined more pay per views over the last few years other than Cena. He’s headlined over a dozen pay per views and got to face the legends like The Rock, The Undertaker, as well as John Cena. How many guys on the current roster have faced both The Rock and The Undertaker?
Here’s a guy that’s been given so much, but still not happy because he’s not headlining WrestleMania and because he doesn’t have the biggest spotlight on him. It’s like if Tim Duncan got mad that somebody was always more popular than him, from Shaq to Kobe to LeBron, even though he was still always one of the most respected and best players in the game and was always working hard. Just face it, the Finals you headlined didn’t draw the ratings the other guys did. And even though we put you in a lot of national TV games, we’re sorry that we feature the Heat and Lakers more than you, but they just pull better ratings.
There’s nothing wrong with being the Macho Man to John Cena’s Hulk Hogan, but he can’t take it. Unless this all really is just a work, which some people think it is (though maybe that theory took a little bit of a blow when he didn't show up on Raw last night...)
I dont know the REAL story, but from what I've read, I have to disagree.
Punk did not leave because he doesnt have the main spotlight, well, part of the reason is that.
From what I've read, he left because he got fed up having part timers (started with the Rock) being gone for years, comes back, and jumps over the main event scene. I think the Royal Rumble was the last straw.
As much as people hate it, everyone is behind Bryan. And everyone wants to see DB at WrestleMania, and from what I've read, Punk is behind that. Why not? The people want to see it. But they are force feeding us Batista and Orton. Batista, who have been gone for four years, all of a sudden gets main event spot at the biggest show of the year. Pretty much the exact same thing as the Rock last year.
Is it unprofessional? Sure. But his name is Punk for all things, and I think this is some sort of a protest not just for himself, but for the hardworking men in that locker room that has been there all the time, that deserves the spot even more than part timers. And that includes him, banged up, broken ribs and messed up knees and all and he still shows up, gives an awesome match.
I don't blame him from walking out one bit. Shoot or work.
And as for Cena. I respect what he does, the IWC does too. He gets booed because his character is stale. And he doest ask for change because despite facing Bray Wyatt in WrestleMania, he and every WWE watchers know that at some point he'll be back in the top.
He doesnt have to worry about that spot, it's a matter of time. Compare to the guys like Ziggler, Bryan and slowly building, Cesaro, who paid dues, worked as hard, fans loved but WWE keeps ignoring because "they dont sell T-Shirts". Business side, I understand, but Creative wise, isn't that their fault that they couldnt build a much interesting storyline for these guys so people would be more hooked up on them than they already are?
When Punk was with the company, but the spotlight was off him D-Bry was red hot.
I hated the Rumble, but at the end - intentionally or not - the spotlight shined bright on him and his character alone.
Punk leaving took it off Bryan a little, and his return would bring all fan's interest to him.
Which belt is supposed to carry more cachet, the IC or the US? And is the the old WCW belt a bigger deal than the WWE championship?
Which belt is supposed to carry more cachet, the IC or the US? And is the the old WCW belt a bigger deal than the WWE championship?
So, who's watching Wrestlemania XXX.I always get excited about Wrestlemania, but I'm not as pumped for this one as previous ones. I'm not as into it as my brother, but I still like to watch it on and off
Honestly, this probably the least excited ive been in a WM, and I followed it religiously since XVII. They fid not build up the Taker - Brock feud enough IMO to garner interest. The secndary belts are not even gping to be defended. And were going to be stuck with possibly a 40 minute Battle Royal for nothing (well, its to honor Andre but still).
I hope the Tag Team guys steal the show. Would like AJ Lee to retain. But really the only thing im pumped is the Bryan - Aitch match. That was perfectly built amd while it could be very predictable, im intere sted in how it goes along. But the other matches, including the Main Event, eh...
But atleast im not paying 60 bucks for it thanks to thr Network.
Anyone here excited about it, or feel the same way is I am?
Holy fish sticks. That is probably the biggest swerve of the decade.
Everyone in the SuperDome is stunned. Everyone in the house is stunned.
Kudos WWE for having the guts to pull that off. But the mark in me is upset for various reasons.
WOW.
The streak was broken in the most anticlimatic fashion EVER.
I haven't watched it but it sounds kind of lame. If the undertaker is retiring I understand this, but Lesnar? I'd rather have someone respectable end it like the rock, stone cold, basically anyone other than Lesnar.
Also no CM Punk. I guess he'd really gone which is a shame.
And I hate Daniel Bryan with a passion. Don't get the lovefest for him.
Thanks for the memories Warrior...RIP
EDIT: Just saw his promo on Monday's Raw. Rather spooky that he talked about people's hearts stopping, taking their last breaths and living on in memories and stories. That's hair raising stuff there.
Hogan & Ultimate Warrior were the two main guys during my first foray into wrestling as a fan during the early 90s. Can't forget Wrestlemania VI or the Savage/Warrior career match in VII. The funeral parlor where his head started bleeding was classic stuff too.
Definitely one of the main faces of wrestling when I was a kid. 54? Wow. These wrestlers just all seem to go out young.
Thanks for the memories Warrior...RIP
EDIT: Just saw his promo on Monday's Raw. Rather spooky that he talked about people's hearts stopping, taking their last breaths and living on in memories and stories. That's hair raising stuff there.
Hearing about this just now gives me chills. Maybe he knew something was up. Eerie.Hogan & Ultimate Warrior were the two main guys during my first foray into wrestling as a fan during the early 90s. Can't forget Wrestlemania VI or the Savage/Warrior career match in VII. The funeral parlor where his head started bleeding was classic stuff too.
Definitely one of the main faces of wrestling when I was a kid. 54? Wow. These wrestlers just all seem to go out young.
It really is an interesting correlation so to speak. The age of wrestlers and their unfortunate early exits. Can only wonder what they're doing to their bodies and hearts to see the trend continually repeat.
So who's ready for SummerSlam?Brock will win and I expect Sting to make a apperance
I like how they built the Cena-Brock Title match. I never thought I'd be pumped in a Cena match. Also excited for the Ambrose-Rollins Lumberjack, those two can work.
But the most interesting match on the card I would really like to see is Brie Bella - Stephanie McMahon. Oh they perfectly built this storyline. Im not expecting an A class match, but there's just so much drama on that feud you cant help but just tune in.
SummerSlam is tonight! Of course, you can watch it for only $9.99. ;D
So who's ready for SummerSlam?Brock will win and I expect Sting to make a apperance
I like how they built the Cena-Brock Title match. I never thought I'd be pumped in a Cena match. Also excited for the Ambrose-Rollins Lumberjack, those two can work.
But the most interesting match on the card I would really like to see is Brie Bella - Stephanie McMahon. Oh they perfectly built this storyline. Im not expecting an A class match, but there's just so much drama on that feud you cant help but just tune in.
SummerSlam is tonight! Of course, you can watch it for only $9.99. ;D
Looking forward to the Cena-Brock match. I think it only makes sense for Brock to win and keep the title until Wrestlemania.
I am not looking forward to the following matches: two ladies matches and the Reigns-Orton match.
Looking forward to the Cena-Brock match. I think it only makes sense for Brock to win and keep the title until Wrestlemania.
I am not looking forward to the following matches: two ladies matches and the Reigns-Orton match.
The Brock - Cena match was built to perfection. They had these UFC style promos on Brock that just got you hooked in. You really believe this guy will hurt Cena. And Heyman is gold.
As for the ladies. I dont expect a good Steph - Brie match, but its a progression of a really ineteresting storyline stemming from last year. AJ and Paige can work the ring, i just thought they built up that feud properly. We could be having another Lita-Trish feud, but they just dont put any focus on the ladies.
Orton and Reigns, in very not into. But i expect a good match.
Totally agree. Although, I tend to believe Brock will hurt everybody, the way he just eats every hit is ridiculous!Looking forward to the Cena-Brock match. I think it only makes sense for Brock to win and keep the title until Wrestlemania.
I am not looking forward to the following matches: two ladies matches and the Reigns-Orton match.
The Brock - Cena match was built to perfection. They had these UFC style promos on Brock that just got you hooked in. You really believe this guy will hurt Cena. And Heyman is gold.
As for the ladies. I dont expect a good Steph - Brie match, but its a progression of a really ineteresting storyline stemming from last year. AJ and Paige can work the ring, i just thought they built up that feud properly. We could be having another Lita-Trish feud, but they just dont put any focus on the ladies.
Orton and Reigns, in very not into. But i expect a good match.
Looking forward to the Cena-Brock match. I think it only makes sense for Brock to win and keep the title until Wrestlemania.
I am not looking forward to the following matches: two ladies matches and the Reigns-Orton match.
The Brock - Cena match was built to perfection. They had these UFC style promos on Brock that just got you hooked in. You really believe this guy will hurt Cena. And Heyman is gold.
As for the ladies. I dont expect a good Steph - Brie match, but its a progression of a really ineteresting storyline stemming from last year. AJ and Paige can work the ring, i just thought they built up that feud properly. We could be having another Lita-Trish feud, but they just dont put any focus on the ladies.
Orton and Reigns, in very not into. But i expect a good match.
I am worried about the reports from the house shows that their matches have not been good.
Looking forward to the Cena-Brock match. I think it only makes sense for Brock to win and keep the title until Wrestlemania.
I am not looking forward to the following matches: two ladies matches and the Reigns-Orton match.
The Brock - Cena match was built to perfection. They had these UFC style promos on Brock that just got you hooked in. You really believe this guy will hurt Cena. And Heyman is gold.
As for the ladies. I dont expect a good Steph - Brie match, but its a progression of a really ineteresting storyline stemming from last year. AJ and Paige can work the ring, i just thought they built up that feud properly. We could be having another Lita-Trish feud, but they just dont put any focus on the ladies.
Orton and Reigns, in very not into. But i expect a good match.
I am worried about the reports from the house shows that their matches have not been good.
That i didnt know. Im not tuned into the news. Wait, who's "their"?
Looking forward to the Cena-Brock match. I think it only makes sense for Brock to win and keep the title until Wrestlemania.
I am not looking forward to the following matches: two ladies matches and the Reigns-Orton match.
The Brock - Cena match was built to perfection. They had these UFC style promos on Brock that just got you hooked in. You really believe this guy will hurt Cena. And Heyman is gold.
As for the ladies. I dont expect a good Steph - Brie match, but its a progression of a really ineteresting storyline stemming from last year. AJ and Paige can work the ring, i just thought they built up that feud properly. We could be having another Lita-Trish feud, but they just dont put any focus on the ladies.
Orton and Reigns, in very not into. But i expect a good match.
I am worried about the reports from the house shows that their matches have not been good.
That i didnt know. Im not tuned into the news. Wait, who's "their"?
Orton-Reigns
I still think they would have been better off with a heel Jericho vs. Reigns. He probably could have learned a lot more that way.
Decent opening match. I was expecting a little high spot or two, i didnt see none. But good opening match.
Marked out on the Ziggler win... ;D
Decent opening match. I was expecting a little high spot or two, i didnt see none. But good opening match.
Marked out on the Ziggler win... ;D
Sort of kills the momentum of making Miz's new character.
Best lumberjack match I have ever seen. Show stealer for sure.
Which poor group goes next? The crowd will need at least a match to recover.
Which poor group goes next? The crowd will need at least a match to recover.kind of predictable I would be Wyatt/Jericho. They have been nap inducing in their program.
Which poor group goes next? The crowd will need at least a match to recover.kind of predictable I would be Wyatt/Jericho. They have been nap inducing in their program.
Somehow, this match is lacking compared to the earlier lumberjack match.
BTW, this is my first time watching WWE live again for almost half-decade. I got bored with the PG era so I stopped watching. Hope this new era of wrestling sparks my interest again.
Dont expect a good match with these two ladies. But expect good story telling and drama. This is a year brewing. Its not really the main story but it keeps the Bryan vs Authority alive.
Dont expect a good match with these two ladies. But expect good story telling and drama. This is a year brewing. Its not really the main story but it keeps the Bryan vs Authority alive.
These two matches should have been flipped.
Wow.
Now we are going to get a boring Bella vs. Bella program.
Thank's E network.
I wish Reigns loses the theatrics on that Superman punch. It think theres a great shock factor/pop on that move without the kiddie theatrics.
That was actually a good match.
I'm tired of Cena always coming as the main event. He should really take a backseat for a while. Is Brock still a part-timer?
Brock dominated.
Brock dominated.
Was that the finish or did Cena got legit hurt and just called an audible? Wow, i mean Cena puts people over, but, man, Cena looking so weak? Something is up here...
Brock dominated.
Was that the finish or did Cena got legit hurt and just called an audible? Wow, i mean Cena puts people over, but, man, Cena looking so weak? Something is up here...
Yes, the next big "superstar" is going to be the one who beat Brock. Until then, Brock kills everyone.
Nope, there's nothing weird about it. The plan for months has been for Cena to get Brock over and make him seem utterly unbeatable so that they can pass the torch to Roman Reigns and have him beat Lesnar at Wrestlemania with an absolute ton of buildup and hype. Sorry to let the cat out of the bag if you'd rather not know, but this is all a big plan to make Rock's nephew the next great one. It's common knowledge on wrestling podcasts, etc.
Brock dominated.
Was that the finish or did Cena got legit hurt and just called an audible? Wow, i mean Cena puts people over, but, man, Cena looking so weak? Something is up here...
That or Cena just sold that match to perfection.
Brock dominated.
Was that the finish or did Cena got legit hurt and just called an audible? Wow, i mean Cena puts people over, but, man, Cena looking so weak? Something is up here...
That or Cena just sold that match to perfection.
Cena just sold Brock as a legitimate bad-ass. It was the right move putting the WWE Title on Brock, it sells him strong after he ended the streak at WrestleMania. Anyone who defeats the Undertaker at WrestleMania should automatically receive a title shot.
Nope, there's nothing weird about it. The plan for months has been for Cena to get Brock over and make him seem utterly unbeatable so that they can pass the torch to Roman Reigns and have him beat Lesnar at Wrestlemania with an absolute ton of buildup and hype. Sorry to let the cat out of the bag if you'd rather not know, but this is all a big plan to make Rock's nephew the next great one. It's common knowledge on wrestling podcasts, etc.
Heyman's mic skills are just too entertaining, especially when contrasted with Cena's bland and well-worn "never give up" cliches.
Heyman's mic skills are just too entertaining, especially when contrasted with Cena's bland and well-worn "never give up" cliches.
Heyman has been so neutered by the WWE. He sounds completely robotic and boring. YouTube some of the Paul E. Dangerously stuff to see what he's truly capable of. He appears to be so restricted to script that he comes across somebody carefully reading something for the first time.
Heyman's mic skills are just too entertaining, especially when contrasted with Cena's bland and well-worn "never give up" cliches.
Heyman has been so neutered by the WWE. He sounds completely robotic and boring. YouTube some of the Paul E. Dangerously stuff to see what he's truly capable of. He appears to be so restricted to script that he comes across somebody carefully reading something for the first time.
Nope, there's nothing weird about it. The plan for months has been for Cena to get Brock over and make him seem utterly unbeatable so that they can pass the torch to Roman Reigns and have him beat Lesnar at Wrestlemania with an absolute ton of buildup and hype. Sorry to let the cat out of the bag if you'd rather not know, but this is all a big plan to make Rock's nephew the next great one. It's common knowledge on wrestling podcasts, etc.
Word has it Sting will finally make his WWE debut.
Word has it Sting will finally make his WWE debut.
I heard. I wasnt going to spoil it, but that's what I've read. Would be interesting.
Word has it Sting will finally make his WWE debut.
I heard. I wasnt going to spoil it, but that's what I've read. Would be interesting.
Spoilers in wrestling is who wins matches. People showing up get people to watch.
Word has it Sting will finally make his WWE debut.
I heard. I wasnt going to spoil it, but that's what I've read. Would be interesting.
Spoilers in wrestling is who wins matches. People showing up get people to watch.
Fair point. Taken.
Yeah. I heard Orton and Sting is coming out tonight. To what capacity, im not sure.
Watching Sting debut for free? Good value.
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Wow. I just marked out loud!
Ambrose vs Wyatt.
Really looking forward to this match.
Want to start getting back to being a WWE fan and boy do I love reading your comments Yoki.
I'll watch WWE regularly once Kurt Angle returns. How's the contract negotiation going?
almost 2 hour long...
i tried..fell off..
go on with out me..i'll cover you
*sippin*
almost 2 hour long...
i tried..fell off..
go on with out me..i'll cover you
*sippin*
I'm really interested. We havent had closure on this, and I think he's providing it on that Podcast.
almost 2 hour long...
i tried..fell off..
go on with out me..i'll cover you
*sippin*
I'm really interested. We havent had closure on this, and I think he's providing it on that Podcast.
i did listen on
only thing that he confirmed was that winners are predetermined and the fights are staged.
these guys... which i believe are the hardest working people in sports "entertainment" ...mark henry had a broken knee and performed every night....they all want that fat contract.dolla dolla bill yall..
and what they go thru..i understand
owen heart dead and many other with life long injuries..get that money..ufc fighter can make money only if the win...the losers hardly have enuff to cover hospital bills
I think Punk made a lot of great points about the problems inside WWE. Specifically:
1) Too much micromanagement and competing agendas among management.
2) Lack of any clear direction regarding booking.
3) Poor talent relations staff that is unknowledgeable about wrestling and also fail to actually represent the wrestler's concerns.
4) Too many writers and not enough wrestler input into promos/storylines.
5) Conflict between attempting to be a true 21st century corporation while still maintaining unprofessional traditional wrestling and family business-style practices.
6) Conflict of interest with doctors who are employed by the WWE.
7) Bad concussion policy.
8) Bad vacation policy.
9) Emphasis on former stars for PPV events when they don't necessarily still provide the best matches and usually have shoehorned-in storylines.
10) Lack of confidence in pushing new stars over old ones.
11) Prejudice against smaller-sized wrestlers (he didn't bring this up specifically but I'm throwing it in there).
12) Possibly making the wrong decision(s) with the implementation of WWE Network (to be continued).
13) Abiding too strictly to the PG-friendly era.
14) Promoting Cena so hard that it overshadows other stars on the roster.
15) El Torito.
OK, I made the last one up.
I think Punk made a lot of great points about the problems inside WWE. Specifically:
1) Too much micromanagement and competing agendas among management.
2) Lack of any clear direction regarding booking.
3) Poor talent relations staff that is unknowledgeable about wrestling and also fail to actually represent the wrestler's concerns.
4) Too many writers and not enough wrestler input into promos/storylines.
5) Conflict between attempting to be a true 21st century corporation while still maintaining unprofessional traditional wrestling and family business-style practices.
6) Conflict of interest with doctors who are employed by the WWE.
7) Bad concussion policy.
8) Bad vacation policy.
9) Emphasis on former stars for PPV events when they don't necessarily still provide the best matches and usually have shoehorned-in storylines.
10) Lack of confidence in pushing new stars over old ones.
11) Prejudice against smaller-sized wrestlers (he didn't bring this up specifically but I'm throwing it in there).
12) Possibly making the wrong decision(s) with the implementation of WWE Network (to be continued).
13) Abiding too strictly to the PG-friendly era.
14) Promoting Cena so hard that it overshadows other stars on the roster.
15) El Torito.
OK, I made the last one up.
Could not have said it any better. TP.
To me I got it when Punk kind of told that WWE is so short sighted. No future plans for their Superstars. When he jobbed to part timers and he said what's next and they told him that "they don't know", that's the problem.
It's hard to be engaged in that environment knowing that your current feud would be your last and you'd lose all momentum after it.
On the podcast he brought up multiple examples of how he generated good business ideas and promotional opportunities but when he went to WWE about them he was either turned down or the spot was given to OTHER WRESTLERS. Like appearing at WizardWorld, the comic convention: He's probably the biggest comic book fan on the roster and initially they approached HIM to appear only. After he told the WWE they gave the convention appearances to other wrestlers and said he had to go wrestle house shows in Mexico! How does that make any sense at all?
Daniel Bryan... Holy Lord, very good promo.
Welcome back. Wrestling will be fun again.
Daniel Bryan... Holy Lord, very good promo.
Welcome back. Wrestling will be fun again.
What happened?
Welcome back. Wrestling will be fun again.
HOW ABOUT PAIGE though, AMIRITE GUYS???? :)
Welcome back. Wrestling will be fun again.
Koko Beware is back?
Welcome back. Wrestling will be fun again.
Koko Beware is back?
What was his bird's name? No cheating!
Welcome back. Wrestling will be fun again.
Koko Beware is back?
What was his bird's name? No cheating!
Is this the only way they can leave the crowd happy leaving with Reigns winning? The Rock.
I think the only way to save this is a double switch. Let Reigns join the Authority and make Brock the face.
I think the only way to save this is a double switch. Let Reigns join the Authority and make Brock the face.
I was thinking the exact same thing. Reigns wont sell this Main Event, not with that horrendous promo skills and bland wrestling. He needs to turn heel. Everyone is cheering for Brock already anyway.
But, Christ. They'd still be stubborn and think that everyone would be wanting this. Ugh. I paid for WM tickets already, atleast I have a month to make sense of this.
And they can't have Raw in Hartford tonight. I wonder what the plan is?
IM GOING TO WRESTLEMANIA!
Pretty disappointing card for me, but what the heck, it's the Gran Daddy of them All! See you guys there!
IM GOING TO WRESTLEMANIA!
Pretty disappointing card for me, but what the heck, it's the Gran Daddy of them All! See you guys there!
Starrcade is the Grand Daddy of pro wrestling super cards.
Mike
Pipebomb.Darn I liked her. Very good promo stuff and OK in the ring. Almost forgot .. and hot
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If you have the Network, you better tune in RIGHT NOW!
Owens - Cena III for the US Championship. The first two matches have been nothing short of spectacular, we're going to get something special here tonight.
RIGHT NOW!
If you have the Network, you better tune in RIGHT NOW!
Owens - Cena III for the US Championship. The first two matches have been nothing short of spectacular, we're going to get something special here tonight.
RIGHT NOW!
Owens winning is best for business.
What a great match, once again by Cena and Owens. Both guys can carry each other and make each other look strong.
I think this is the only two guys I can see go at it at every PPV and not be sick of it.
If you have the Network, you better tune in RIGHT NOW!
Owens - Cena III for the US Championship. The first two matches have been nothing short of spectacular, we're going to get something special here tonight.
RIGHT NOW!
Owens winning is best for business.(http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/29741890.jpg)
If you have the Network, you better tune in RIGHT NOW!
Owens - Cena III for the US Championship. The first two matches have been nothing short of spectacular, we're going to get something special here tonight.
RIGHT NOW!
Owens winning is best for business.(http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/29741890.jpg)
Typical wwe in the super Cena Era. So tiring.
What a great match, once again by Cena and Owens. Both guys can carry each other and make each other look strong.
I think this is the only two guys I can see go at it at every PPV and not be sick of it.
The endings of the Cena/Owens and Rollins/Lesner matches were really bad.
Yeah that Taker/Lesnar match was great up until the end.
SPOILERZ!!!!!!
The only way this works is if it is setting up another Taker/Lesnar match. If not, this was a BS way for Taker to finish. Either give Taker one final win, or let Lesnar cleanly beat him and really put Lesnar over. This finish seems like no one could make a decision, and it was the worst of both worlds.
HOLY MOLLY!
The Dudley Boyz are back!
WWE World Heavyweight Champion Seth Rollins has torn his right ACL, MCL and medial meniscus, and will not be able to defend the title against Roman Reigns at Survivor Series.
Bullet Club tonight?
Great divas match, and great finish. Although I wish they stay away with Ric Flair and let Charlotte be the dirty wrestler that her dad was. I get it, need a heater and get heat, but it's time.
HOLY CRABS! SASHA BANKS (I LOVE YOU!)
Don't mess with the Boss!Bullet Club tonight?
Probably not, but would be fun. I'm thinking AJ Styles.
Great divas match, and great finish. Although I wish they stay away with Ric Flair and let Charlotte be the dirty wrestler that her dad was. I get it, need a heater and get heat, but it's time.
HOLY CRABS! SASHA BANKS (I LOVE YOU!)
Don't mess with the Boss!Bullet Club tonight?
Probably not, but would be fun. I'm thinking AJ Styles.
He's the best I've ever seen.
Fin needs to debut when he can come to the ring in style.
Fin needs to debut when he can come to the ring in style.
Yes. Maybe they can debut him tonight? Wouldn't that be something...
That finishing sequence was awesome! I wish ambrose won the whole thing, the amway center would have exploded.
The Royal Rumble match was awful (other than AJ Styles). Why in the world would you have Ambrose as the last man with HHH??? He kept his belt so there was no way in hell that he was going to win the Rumble match. May have been an unpredictable choice to make it that far but it lead to a very predictable ending.
The Royal Rumble match was awful (other than AJ Styles). Why in the world would you have Ambrose as the last man with HHH??? He kept his belt so there was no way in hell that he was going to win the Rumble match. May have been an unpredictable choice to make it that far but it lead to a very predictable ending.
The Royal Rumble match was awful (other than AJ Styles). Why in the world would you have Ambrose as the last man with HHH??? He kept his belt so there was no way in hell that he was going to win the Rumble match. May have been an unpredictable choice to make it that far but it lead to a very predictable ending.
Wait, AJ styles in now on WWE?
Due to medical reasons, effective immediately, I am announcing my retirement. Tonight on Raw, I'll have a chance to elaborate.
Thank you, Brian Danielson. You've given up a lot in what little, but god awesome run you had. You don't have to risk your entire life anymore. Heal up, D-Bry, even though you won't wrestle again, I'm sure we would still see you in the ring, or out, at some capacity.
YES! YES! YES!
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Thank you, Brian Danielson. You've given up a lot in what little, but god awesome run you had. You don't have to risk your entire life anymore. Heal up, D-Bry, even though you won't wrestle again, I'm sure we would still see you in the ring, or out, at some capacity.
YES! YES! YES!
http://www.cagesideseats.com/wwe/2016/2/8/10938768/daniel-bryan-retires-announcement-wwe-rawQuoteDue to medical reasons, effective immediately, I am announcing my retirement. Tonight on Raw, I'll have a chance to elaborate.
I know a lot of people are hoping that's just a work. What are your thoughts on that possibility?
Tune into Raw tonight to find out!
"She's being very shy. Kevin Love wants her digits. ... The first thing he said to me was, 'I'm a huge fan of yours, but I love your daughter.'"
Anybody watching NXT Takeover: Dallas right now?
Shinsuke Nakamura will debut tonight. Oh yeah!
Ah...
Great Divas wrestling action, all three women are on their A game, what a match.
But, but, I did hate that finish.
Predictable Main Event, but man, the crowd is still ready hating on Roman Reigns. The boos are prevalent.
It's time to make him heel. Keep the same gimmick, but just working heel. This is obviously not going well to the fans that aren't below 10.
Predictable Main Event, but man, the crowd is still ready hating on Roman Reigns. The boos are prevalent.
It's time to make him heel. Keep the same gimmick, but just working heel. This is obviously not going well to the fans that aren't below 10.
Yup. Hard to fault wwe though, witb all these injuries
Predictable Main Event, but man, the crowd is still ready hating on Roman Reigns. The boos are prevalent.
It's time to make him heel. Keep the same gimmick, but just working heel. This is obviously not going well to the fans that aren't below 10.
Yup. Hard to fault wwe though, witb all these injuries
Not faulting them with injuries, but stubbornness.
Clearly Reigns isn't getting over, but they keep shoving it in our throats. I get the payout of this WM result as a culmination of a a story-line brewed within months, but Reigns isn't the guy. Just isn't.
Predictable Main Event, but man, the crowd is still ready hating on Roman Reigns. The boos are prevalent.
It's time to make him heel. Keep the same gimmick, but just working heel. This is obviously not going well to the fans that aren't below 10.
Yup. Hard to fault wwe though, witb all these injuries
Not faulting them with injuries, but stubbornness.
Clearly Reigns isn't getting over, but they keep shoving it in our throats. I get the payout of this WM result as a culmination of a a story-line brewed within months, but Reigns isn't the guy. Just isn't.
They should adopt a heel turn for Reigns vs Ambrose.
Then bring back Seth Rollins as a face and let a year long rivalry begin.Predictable Main Event, but man, the crowd is still ready hating on Roman Reigns. The boos are prevalent.
It's time to make him heel. Keep the same gimmick, but just working heel. This is obviously not going well to the fans that aren't below 10.
Yup. Hard to fault wwe though, witb all these injuries
Not faulting them with injuries, but stubbornness.
Clearly Reigns isn't getting over, but they keep shoving it in our throats. I get the payout of this WM result as a culmination of a a story-line brewed within months, but Reigns isn't the guy. Just isn't.
They should adopt a heel turn for Reigns vs Ambrose.
Don't even need Ambrose.
The fact that IT'S SO EASY to make Reigns heel should really make them consider it. It'll probably help him in the long run, when he turns face after a long heel run.
Make him work as a face, but let him acknowledge the boos, the disrespect and the lack of support, and eventually make him do heelish stuff, as at that point "he doesn't care anymore and just wants to be the man". He can do that with anyone. Give him another face run, maybe for about two months, book him the same way so the smarks would hate him more, then slowly do the switch.
Then bring back Seth Rollins as a face and let a year long rivalry begin.Predictable Main Event, but man, the crowd is still ready hating on Roman Reigns. The boos are prevalent.
It's time to make him heel. Keep the same gimmick, but just working heel. This is obviously not going well to the fans that aren't below 10.
Yup. Hard to fault wwe though, witb all these injuries
Not faulting them with injuries, but stubbornness.
Clearly Reigns isn't getting over, but they keep shoving it in our throats. I get the payout of this WM result as a culmination of a a story-line brewed within months, but Reigns isn't the guy. Just isn't.
They should adopt a heel turn for Reigns vs Ambrose.
Don't even need Ambrose.
The fact that IT'S SO EASY to make Reigns heel should really make them consider it. It'll probably help him in the long run, when he turns face after a long heel run.
Make him work as a face, but let him acknowledge the boos, the disrespect and the lack of support, and eventually make him do heelish stuff, as at that point "he doesn't care anymore and just wants to be the man". He can do that with anyone. Give him another face run, maybe for about two months, book him the same way so the smarks would hate him more, then slowly do the switch.
You think there will be any mention of her on raw this monday ?
RIP
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RIP
(http://i.imgur.com/t7Wyudx.jpg)
RIPOne of the greatest personalities all-time in entertainment, all entertainment not just wrestling. Thanks for the great memories Bobby. Rest in peace. Gotta watch Raw tonight just to see their tribute to him.
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TLC is so good right now. Even Angle is wrestling.