Are We Doomed If Lebron Joins The Philadelphia 76ers Next Summer?

[nickagneta]

A ton of the reason for Philly's late season success has been attributed to Reddick, Ilyasova, and Belinelli. If Philly uses all their cap space on Lebron, they aren't going to have the money to bring back the 3 three point shooters on the team that a Lebron-Simmons-Embiid team will need to be a contender. The market should be strong enough for each of those three to get good contracts elsewhere and not be forced to take a vet min contract.

Redick will most likely be gone and that will hurt, but they picked up Belinelli and Ilyasova off of the scrap heap. They were both bought out this year and Philly got them for nothing. You can always get journeymen guys like that, especially when those guys are going to be playing with Simmons and Embiid and getting lots of open shots.

Ilyasova got bought out of an $8.4 million last year to sign for the vet min with Philly. Belinelli got bought out of a $6.4 million last year to sign a vet min deal with Philly.

I seriously doubt that players who have already been valued at between $6.4 million and $8.4 million per year, and then played like they deserved that, are suddenly going to take a couple million as a vet min.

And there is zero chance Reddick returns at the money they will be able to pay him. He is just worth a lot more than just a couple million a year.

[LatterDayCelticsfan]

A ton of the reason for Philly's late season success has been attributed to Reddick, Ilyasova, and Belinelli. If Philly uses all their cap space on Lebron, they aren't going to have the money to bring back the 3 three point shooters on the team that a Lebron-Simmons-Embiid team will need to be a contender. The market should be strong enough for each of those three to get good contracts elsewhere and not be forced to take a vet min contract.

Redick will most likely be gone and that will hurt, but they picked up Belinelli and Ilyasova off of the scrap heap. They were both bought out this year and Philly got them for nothing. You can always get journeymen guys like that, especially when those guys are going to be playing with Simmons and Embiid and getting lots of open shots.

Ilyasova got bought out of an $8.4 million last year to sign for the vet min with Philly. Belinelli got bought out of a $6.4 million last year to sign a vet min deal with Philly.

I seriously doubt that players who have already been valued at between $6.4 million and $8.4 million per year, and then played like they deserved that, are suddenly going to take a couple million as a vet min.

And there is zero chance Reddick returns at the money they will be able to pay him. He is just worth a lot more than just a couple million a year.

Line of inquiry. How much cap space is floating around this off season for teams to give that kind of dough to pros like these?

[Androslav]

We will beat the 6ers.
Then LBJ.
After that they can team up next year, so we don't have to spend 2 rounds on them.

[pokeKingCurtis]

We will beat the 6ers.
Then LBJ.
After that they can team up next year, so we don't have to spend 2 rounds on them.

LOL excellent. TP.

[Bucketgetter]

A ton of the reason for Philly's late season success has been attributed to Reddick, Ilyasova, and Belinelli. If Philly uses all their cap space on Lebron, they aren't going to have the money to bring back the 3 three point shooters on the team that a Lebron-Simmons-Embiid team will need to be a contender. The market should be strong enough for each of those three to get good contracts elsewhere and not be forced to take a vet min contract.

Redick will most likely be gone and that will hurt, but they picked up Belinelli and Ilyasova off of the scrap heap. They were both bought out this year and Philly got them for nothing. You can always get journeymen guys like that, especially when those guys are going to be playing with Simmons and Embiid and getting lots of open shots.

Ilyasova got bought out of an $8.4 million last year to sign for the vet min with Philly. Belinelli got bought out of a $6.4 million last year to sign a vet min deal with Philly.

I seriously doubt that players who have already been valued at between $6.4 million and $8.4 million per year, and then played like they deserved that, are suddenly going to take a couple million as a vet min.

And there is zero chance Reddick returns at the money they will be able to pay him. He is just worth a lot more than just a couple million a year.

If they had played like they deserved it, they wouldn't have been bought out. They would have been traded. I'm sure the Hawks were looking to get anything at all for them but couldn't. That's why they got bought out and then had to sign for the minimum. You acknowledge that, but still don't understand their value. Agreed on Redick though.

[nickagneta]

A ton of the reason for Philly's late season success has been attributed to Reddick, Ilyasova, and Belinelli. If Philly uses all their cap space on Lebron, they aren't going to have the money to bring back the 3 three point shooters on the team that a Lebron-Simmons-Embiid team will need to be a contender. The market should be strong enough for each of those three to get good contracts elsewhere and not be forced to take a vet min contract.

Redick will most likely be gone and that will hurt, but they picked up Belinelli and Ilyasova off of the scrap heap. They were both bought out this year and Philly got them for nothing. You can always get journeymen guys like that, especially when those guys are going to be playing with Simmons and Embiid and getting lots of open shots.

Ilyasova got bought out of an $8.4 million last year to sign for the vet min with Philly. Belinelli got bought out of a $6.4 million last year to sign a vet min deal with Philly.

I seriously doubt that players who have already been valued at between $6.4 million and $8.4 million per year, and then played like they deserved that, are suddenly going to take a couple million as a vet min.

And there is zero chance Reddick returns at the money they will be able to pay him. He is just worth a lot more than just a couple million a year.

If they had played like they deserved it, they wouldn't have been bought out. They would have been traded. I'm sure the Hawks were looking to get anything at all for them but couldn't. That's why they got bought out and then had to sign for the minimum. You acknowledge that, but still don't understand their value. Agreed on Redick though.

I think its you who doesn't understand their value and the situation they were in. Both players played for Atlanta and played well in their roles averaging 11PPG on average to above average shooting. They were making positive contributions to their team. But Atlanta was going to tank hard at the end of the year which meant they were going to sit and not contribute. Atlanta gave them the option to be bought out so they might sign with a playoff team and contribute positively. They will be worth anywhere from the room exception to the taxpayer's MLE to the MLE in the open market. They are not vet min type players

[Bucketgetter]

A ton of the reason for Philly's late season success has been attributed to Reddick, Ilyasova, and Belinelli. If Philly uses all their cap space on Lebron, they aren't going to have the money to bring back the 3 three point shooters on the team that a Lebron-Simmons-Embiid team will need to be a contender. The market should be strong enough for each of those three to get good contracts elsewhere and not be forced to take a vet min contract.

Redick will most likely be gone and that will hurt, but they picked up Belinelli and Ilyasova off of the scrap heap. They were both bought out this year and Philly got them for nothing. You can always get journeymen guys like that, especially when those guys are going to be playing with Simmons and Embiid and getting lots of open shots.

Ilyasova got bought out of an $8.4 million last year to sign for the vet min with Philly. Belinelli got bought out of a $6.4 million last year to sign a vet min deal with Philly.

I seriously doubt that players who have already been valued at between $6.4 million and $8.4 million per year, and then played like they deserved that, are suddenly going to take a couple million as a vet min.

And there is zero chance Reddick returns at the money they will be able to pay him. He is just worth a lot more than just a couple million a year.

If they had played like they deserved it, they wouldn't have been bought out. They would have been traded. I'm sure the Hawks were looking to get anything at all for them but couldn't. That's why they got bought out and then had to sign for the minimum. You acknowledge that, but still don't understand their value. Agreed on Redick though.

I think its you who doesn't understand their value and the situation they were in. Both players played for Atlanta and played well in their roles averaging 11PPG on average to above average shooting. They were making positive contributions to their team. But Atlanta was going to tank hard at the end of the year which meant they were going to sit and not contribute. Atlanta gave them the option to be bought out so they might sign with a playoff team and contribute positively. They will be worth anywhere from the room exception to the taxpayer's MLE to the MLE in the open market. They are not vet min type players

No...Atlanta tried to trade them. They couldn't because they were overpaid. The Hawks were sellers at the deadline and both guys were openly available. That's why they were bought out. This isn't a Richard Sherman situation where the team cuts the players instead of trading them, just so they can pick which team they want and go to a contender. And even though they could have traded them for value, they do it for sentimental reasons. We're talking about Belinelli and Ilyasova here.

And btw you're talking about the room exception, and that's only like $4 Million lol. Even you don't think they're actually worth "good contracts".

[nickagneta]

A ton of the reason for Philly's late season success has been attributed to Reddick, Ilyasova, and Belinelli. If Philly uses all their cap space on Lebron, they aren't going to have the money to bring back the 3 three point shooters on the team that a Lebron-Simmons-Embiid team will need to be a contender. The market should be strong enough for each of those three to get good contracts elsewhere and not be forced to take a vet min contract.

Redick will most likely be gone and that will hurt, but they picked up Belinelli and Ilyasova off of the scrap heap. They were both bought out this year and Philly got them for nothing. You can always get journeymen guys like that, especially when those guys are going to be playing with Simmons and Embiid and getting lots of open shots.

Ilyasova got bought out of an $8.4 million last year to sign for the vet min with Philly. Belinelli got bought out of a $6.4 million last year to sign a vet min deal with Philly.

I seriously doubt that players who have already been valued at between $6.4 million and $8.4 million per year, and then played like they deserved that, are suddenly going to take a couple million as a vet min.

And there is zero chance Reddick returns at the money they will be able to pay him. He is just worth a lot more than just a couple million a year.

If they had played like they deserved it, they wouldn't have been bought out. They would have been traded. I'm sure the Hawks were looking to get anything at all for them but couldn't. That's why they got bought out and then had to sign for the minimum. You acknowledge that, but still don't understand their value. Agreed on Redick though.

I think its you who doesn't understand their value and the situation they were in. Both players played for Atlanta and played well in their roles averaging 11PPG on average to above average shooting. They were making positive contributions to their team. But Atlanta was going to tank hard at the end of the year which meant they were going to sit and not contribute. Atlanta gave them the option to be bought out so they might sign with a playoff team and contribute positively. They will be worth anywhere from the room exception to the taxpayer's MLE to the MLE in the open market. They are not vet min type players

No...Atlanta tried to trade them. They couldn't because they were overpaid. The Hawks were sellers at the deadline and both guys were openly available. That's why they were bought out. This isn't a Richard Sherman situation where the team cuts the players instead of trading them, just so they can pick which team they want and go to a contender. And even though they could have traded them for value, they do it for sentimental reasons. We're talking about Belinelli and Ilyasova here.

And btw you're talking about the room exception, and that's only like $4 Million lol. Even you don't think they're actually worth "good contracts".

Yes, they were on the market but the teams they could trade them to, who would give any value whatsoever were playoff teams over the cap that would have to send salary back. Atlanta didn't want salary back. Knowing this and that Atlanta would buy them out after the trade deadline, those teams just waited for them to be bought out.

Just because a trade wasn't made doesn't mean they didn't have value or were being overpaid. It just means Atlanta couldn't get what they wanted which was no return salary, or expiring salary with draft picks.

Yes, the room exception is only $4.5 million but at a minimum that is still more than a vet min contract by $2 million. 11 PPG players that shoot the 3 at above average rates in today's NBA are not vet min players. Sorry, they just aren't.

[Bucketgetter]

A ton of the reason for Philly's late season success has been attributed to Reddick, Ilyasova, and Belinelli. If Philly uses all their cap space on Lebron, they aren't going to have the money to bring back the 3 three point shooters on the team that a Lebron-Simmons-Embiid team will need to be a contender. The market should be strong enough for each of those three to get good contracts elsewhere and not be forced to take a vet min contract.

Redick will most likely be gone and that will hurt, but they picked up Belinelli and Ilyasova off of the scrap heap. They were both bought out this year and Philly got them for nothing. You can always get journeymen guys like that, especially when those guys are going to be playing with Simmons and Embiid and getting lots of open shots.

Ilyasova got bought out of an $8.4 million last year to sign for the vet min with Philly. Belinelli got bought out of a $6.4 million last year to sign a vet min deal with Philly.

I seriously doubt that players who have already been valued at between $6.4 million and $8.4 million per year, and then played like they deserved that, are suddenly going to take a couple million as a vet min.

And there is zero chance Reddick returns at the money they will be able to pay him. He is just worth a lot more than just a couple million a year.

If they had played like they deserved it, they wouldn't have been bought out. They would have been traded. I'm sure the Hawks were looking to get anything at all for them but couldn't. That's why they got bought out and then had to sign for the minimum. You acknowledge that, but still don't understand their value. Agreed on Redick though.

I think its you who doesn't understand their value and the situation they were in. Both players played for Atlanta and played well in their roles averaging 11PPG on average to above average shooting. They were making positive contributions to their team. But Atlanta was going to tank hard at the end of the year which meant they were going to sit and not contribute. Atlanta gave them the option to be bought out so they might sign with a playoff team and contribute positively. They will be worth anywhere from the room exception to the taxpayer's MLE to the MLE in the open market. They are not vet min type players

No...Atlanta tried to trade them. They couldn't because they were overpaid. The Hawks were sellers at the deadline and both guys were openly available. That's why they were bought out. This isn't a Richard Sherman situation where the team cuts the players instead of trading them, just so they can pick which team they want and go to a contender. And even though they could have traded them for value, they do it for sentimental reasons. We're talking about Belinelli and Ilyasova here.

And btw you're talking about the room exception, and that's only like $4 Million lol. Even you don't think they're actually worth "good contracts".

Yes, they were on the market but the teams they could trade them to, who would give any value whatsoever were playoff teams over the cap that would have to send salary back. Atlanta didn't want salary back. Knowing this and that Atlanta would buy them out after the trade deadline, those teams just waited for them to be bought out.

Just because a trade wasn't made doesn't mean they didn't have value or were being overpaid. It just means Atlanta couldn't get what they wanted which was no return salary, or expiring salary with draft picks.

Yes, the room exception is only $4.5 million but at a minimum that is still more than a vet min contract by $2 million. 11 PPG players that shoot the 3 at above average rates in today's NBA are not vet min players. Sorry, they just aren't.

I agree. But if you only think they are going to get $4.5 million in this upcoming cap crunch, why wouldn't Philly be able to afford that?

[colincb]

Sixers have to gut their team to get Lebron and keep Simmons and Embiid. Replacing Simmons with Lebron and keeping some of the three-point shooters would fit Lebron better.

Lakers seem more likely as does staying put.

[hwangjini_1]

Sixers have to gut their team to get Lebron and keep Simmons and Embiid. Replacing Simmons with Lebron and keeping some of the three-point shooters would fit Lebron better.

Lakers seem more likely as does staying put.

I find it hard to believe that after suffering through the toxic process, that philly would sacrifice so much for a 2 to 3 year window of possible contention. And during that time their youngsters would be growing into their abilities, not vets in their prime.

[Moranis]

Sixers have to gut their team to get Lebron and keep Simmons and Embiid. Replacing Simmons with Lebron and keeping some of the three-point shooters would fit Lebron better.

Lakers seem more likely as does staying put.

No they wouldn't.  To create room for a max free agent, they only have to move Bayless' contract and let their free agents go (Redick, Johnson, Belinelli, and Ilyasova).  They would return Embiid, Simmons, Saric, Covington, Fultz, McConnell, Holmes, Luwawu-Cabarrot, Anderson, and Korkmaz.  They would also have both their 1st round picks this year (unless they had to move any of them to unload Bayless). 

[seancally]

Until we beat Lebron in a playoffs series, we're doomed no matter where he is in the East. Gotta prove it first.

[nickagneta]

A ton of the reason for Philly's late season success has been attributed to Reddick, Ilyasova, and Belinelli. If Philly uses all their cap space on Lebron, they aren't going to have the money to bring back the 3 three point shooters on the team that a Lebron-Simmons-Embiid team will need to be a contender. The market should be strong enough for each of those three to get good contracts elsewhere and not be forced to take a vet min contract.

Redick will most likely be gone and that will hurt, but they picked up Belinelli and Ilyasova off of the scrap heap. They were both bought out this year and Philly got them for nothing. You can always get journeymen guys like that, especially when those guys are going to be playing with Simmons and Embiid and getting lots of open shots.

Ilyasova got bought out of an $8.4 million last year to sign for the vet min with Philly. Belinelli got bought out of a $6.4 million last year to sign a vet min deal with Philly.

I seriously doubt that players who have already been valued at between $6.4 million and $8.4 million per year, and then played like they deserved that, are suddenly going to take a couple million as a vet min.

And there is zero chance Reddick returns at the money they will be able to pay him. He is just worth a lot more than just a couple million a year.

If they had played like they deserved it, they wouldn't have been bought out. They would have been traded. I'm sure the Hawks were looking to get anything at all for them but couldn't. That's why they got bought out and then had to sign for the minimum. You acknowledge that, but still don't understand their value. Agreed on Redick though.

I think its you who doesn't understand their value and the situation they were in. Both players played for Atlanta and played well in their roles averaging 11PPG on average to above average shooting. They were making positive contributions to their team. But Atlanta was going to tank hard at the end of the year which meant they were going to sit and not contribute. Atlanta gave them the option to be bought out so they might sign with a playoff team and contribute positively. They will be worth anywhere from the room exception to the taxpayer's MLE to the MLE in the open market. They are not vet min type players

No...Atlanta tried to trade them. They couldn't because they were overpaid. The Hawks were sellers at the deadline and both guys were openly available. That's why they were bought out. This isn't a Richard Sherman situation where the team cuts the players instead of trading them, just so they can pick which team they want and go to a contender. And even though they could have traded them for value, they do it for sentimental reasons. We're talking about Belinelli and Ilyasova here.

And btw you're talking about the room exception, and that's only like $4 Million lol. Even you don't think they're actually worth "good contracts".

Yes, they were on the market but the teams they could trade them to, who would give any value whatsoever were playoff teams over the cap that would have to send salary back. Atlanta didn't want salary back. Knowing this and that Atlanta would buy them out after the trade deadline, those teams just waited for them to be bought out.

Just because a trade wasn't made doesn't mean they didn't have value or were being overpaid. It just means Atlanta couldn't get what they wanted which was no return salary, or expiring salary with draft picks.

Yes, the room exception is only $4.5 million but at a minimum that is still more than a vet min contract by $2 million. 11 PPG players that shoot the 3 at above average rates in today's NBA are not vet min players. Sorry, they just aren't.

I agree. But if you only think they are going to get $4.5 million in this upcoming cap crunch, why wouldn't Philly be able to afford that?

They could afford one room exception after signing Lebron but my point was that Philly wouldn't have the $ to bring back all three because they would only have that one exception to use and the other players wouldn't be back because they are worth more than a vet min. The Sixers if they sign Lebron need to have a bunch of 3 point shooters to surround Embiid, Fultz, Simmons and Lebron because the best part of all 4 of those players games are playing inside. They are going to have to have three pointer shooters to make that team a true contender.

[Celtics4ever]

I think people are not taking into account the market size and media availability in Philly.   Do they make movies there, nope only Rocky ones.   So I think LeBron who wants to be bigger than Jordan is going to go to Philly?    That is pretty funny...