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Quote from: GreenEnvy on April 15, 2018, 02:06:16 PMQuote from: RJ87 on April 15, 2018, 12:10:15 AMQuote from: tazzmaniac on April 14, 2018, 11:51:28 PMQuote from: rocknrollforyoursoul on April 14, 2018, 11:40:07 PMThings look good for them at the moment, but they haven't won anything yet, or even come close. And I still expect Embiid to get injured again.We have won anything yet or even come close either. Exactly. If you take off the green tinted glasses, their young core is just as good as ours is.Yes. Their young core (of Simmons, Embiid, Fultz, and Saric) is every bit as good as Tatum, Brown, Rozier, and Smart, and wouldn’t be a stretch to say perhaps better.But, who do they have that’s as good as Kyrie, Hayward, and Horford?It would be a stretch to say ours is better frankly. I love Tatum and Brown, but right now Simmons and Embiid is clearly superior.
Quote from: RJ87 on April 15, 2018, 12:10:15 AMQuote from: tazzmaniac on April 14, 2018, 11:51:28 PMQuote from: rocknrollforyoursoul on April 14, 2018, 11:40:07 PMThings look good for them at the moment, but they haven't won anything yet, or even come close. And I still expect Embiid to get injured again.We have won anything yet or even come close either. Exactly. If you take off the green tinted glasses, their young core is just as good as ours is.Yes. Their young core (of Simmons, Embiid, Fultz, and Saric) is every bit as good as Tatum, Brown, Rozier, and Smart, and wouldn’t be a stretch to say perhaps better.But, who do they have that’s as good as Kyrie, Hayward, and Horford?
Quote from: tazzmaniac on April 14, 2018, 11:51:28 PMQuote from: rocknrollforyoursoul on April 14, 2018, 11:40:07 PMThings look good for them at the moment, but they haven't won anything yet, or even come close. And I still expect Embiid to get injured again.We have won anything yet or even come close either. Exactly. If you take off the green tinted glasses, their young core is just as good as ours is.
Quote from: rocknrollforyoursoul on April 14, 2018, 11:40:07 PMThings look good for them at the moment, but they haven't won anything yet, or even come close. And I still expect Embiid to get injured again.We have won anything yet or even come close either.
Things look good for them at the moment, but they haven't won anything yet, or even come close. And I still expect Embiid to get injured again.
if we were tanking we would've had a chance at simmons and Jaylen. instead we were glad we had a dead end team that was in a rush to lose in the 1st rnd.
Hinkie already won this team is an outstanding success already at this stage and he told ownership he was executing a 7-year plan. He's way ahead of schedule and imagine if they drafted Porzingis instead of Okafor. Or if they sign LeBron next year they will win a ring next year. And what thanks does Hinkie get. Fired. Tanking works. That's really weak how they treated that guy, he should have a GM job right now.
Embiid + Simmons > Tatum + BrownGood thing the Celtics have Kyrie, Hayward, and Horford on their team going forward. Fultz, Saric, and another player would need to see a lot of development to match the Celtics on paper.
I like both Simmons and embiid.... but I believe in Brown and Tatum to become superstars.. butler and George... 2 way players... you got 2 guys like that without tanking
Quote from: konkmv on April 15, 2018, 04:35:13 PMI like both Simmons and embiid.... but I believe in Brown and Tatum to become superstars.. butler and George... 2 way players... you got 2 guys like that without tankingYes, but the Celts did that by pulling off an absolute steal of a trade and also got a little lucky. If The Nets had been even mediocre after that trade the Celts would not have had as good a draft haul.
Quote from: bellerephon on April 15, 2018, 05:13:07 PMQuote from: konkmv on April 15, 2018, 04:35:13 PMI like both Simmons and embiid.... but I believe in Brown and Tatum to become superstars.. butler and George... 2 way players... you got 2 guys like that without tankingYes, but the Celts did that by pulling off an absolute steal of a trade and also got a little lucky. If The Nets had been even mediocre after that trade the Celts would not have had as good a draft haul.And Philly got lucky to get the top pick the year Simmons came out. There's luck in both executions of rebuilds.
Quote from: nickagneta on April 15, 2018, 05:28:16 PMQuote from: bellerephon on April 15, 2018, 05:13:07 PMQuote from: konkmv on April 15, 2018, 04:35:13 PMI like both Simmons and embiid.... but I believe in Brown and Tatum to become superstars.. butler and George... 2 way players... you got 2 guys like that without tankingYes, but the Celts did that by pulling off an absolute steal of a trade and also got a little lucky. If The Nets had been even mediocre after that trade the Celts would not have had as good a draft haul.And Philly got lucky to get the top pick the year Simmons came out. There's luck in both executions of rebuilds.that was Hinkie's plan though. To be bad enough and long enough to ensure at least 1 HOF talent cpuld be drafted. He knew the draft was a crapshoot and maximized the chances of landing that type of player. So yeah it was luck but it also wasn't luck either
Quote from: Moranis on April 15, 2018, 05:40:15 PMQuote from: nickagneta on April 15, 2018, 05:28:16 PMQuote from: bellerephon on April 15, 2018, 05:13:07 PMQuote from: konkmv on April 15, 2018, 04:35:13 PMI like both Simmons and embiid.... but I believe in Brown and Tatum to become superstars.. butler and George... 2 way players... you got 2 guys like that without tankingYes, but the Celts did that by pulling off an absolute steal of a trade and also got a little lucky. If The Nets had been even mediocre after that trade the Celts would not have had as good a draft haul.And Philly got lucky to get the top pick the year Simmons came out. There's luck in both executions of rebuilds.that was Hinkie's plan though. To be bad enough and long enough to ensure at least 1 HOF talent cpuld be drafted. He knew the draft was a crapshoot and maximized the chances of landing that type of player. So yeah it was luck but it also wasn't luck eitherIt was luck that caused Embiid to fall to #3 from his injuries, and guts by Hinkie to take him though. That draft choice defines 'The Process'. It was all about swinging for the fences for a HOF level talent. Wiggins and Parker, the two guys taken before Embiid, do not look like HOF players at this point.
Quote from: Moranis on April 15, 2018, 05:40:15 PMQuote from: nickagneta on April 15, 2018, 05:28:16 PMQuote from: bellerephon on April 15, 2018, 05:13:07 PMQuote from: konkmv on April 15, 2018, 04:35:13 PMI like both Simmons and embiid.... but I believe in Brown and Tatum to become superstars.. butler and George... 2 way players... you got 2 guys like that without tankingYes, but the Celts did that by pulling off an absolute steal of a trade and also got a little lucky. If The Nets had been even mediocre after that trade the Celts would not have had as good a draft haul.And Philly got lucky to get the top pick the year Simmons came out. There's luck in both executions of rebuilds.that was Hinkie's plan though. To be bad enough and long enough to ensure at least 1 HOF talent cpuld be drafted. He knew the draft was a crapshoot and maximized the chances of landing that type of player. So yeah it was luck but it also wasn't luck eitherIt was luck...they won a freaking lottery. That's basically the definition of luck. Just because you try to maximize your chance at getting lucky doesn't mean it wasn't luck when you get lucky.
Quote from: nickagneta on April 15, 2018, 06:55:34 PMQuote from: Moranis on April 15, 2018, 05:40:15 PMQuote from: nickagneta on April 15, 2018, 05:28:16 PMQuote from: bellerephon on April 15, 2018, 05:13:07 PMQuote from: konkmv on April 15, 2018, 04:35:13 PMI like both Simmons and embiid.... but I believe in Brown and Tatum to become superstars.. butler and George... 2 way players... you got 2 guys like that without tankingYes, but the Celts did that by pulling off an absolute steal of a trade and also got a little lucky. If The Nets had been even mediocre after that trade the Celts would not have had as good a draft haul.And Philly got lucky to get the top pick the year Simmons came out. There's luck in both executions of rebuilds.that was Hinkie's plan though. To be bad enough and long enough to ensure at least 1 HOF talent cpuld be drafted. He knew the draft was a crapshoot and maximized the chances of landing that type of player. So yeah it was luck but it also wasn't luck eitherIt was luck...they won a freaking lottery. That's basically the definition of luck. Just because you try to maximize your chance at getting lucky doesn't mean it wasn't luck when you get lucky.If you use that logic then every single rebuild ever was lucky. That's just the way the lottery is set up. It's not like the 76ers struck gold (Spurs getting Duncan, Bulls getting Rose, Cavs getting all those #1s). They had the best odds and won. They also got unlucky a number of times, like when the Lakers kept their pick back to back years.