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Title: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: rollie mass on June 29, 2018, 05:17:24 AM
First we start off at draft with a gifted acquisition at 27.A under coached 20 year old with tools not seen since the days of Celtics legend centers Russell and Cowens.
There is an excellent breakdown of his passing,shooting.offense and defense that shows a gifted athlete and need of professional coaching at NBA level.
I think it is on the Celtic organization to guide Robert so he is not overwhelmed -there is so much to work on with so many adjustments and distractions.
Big men come with a unique set of challenges.
Today we get introduced to the beginning of a possible legend and it will start soon with a play a foot over the box or a nasty come from behind block but it will be a jaw dropping display of athleticism
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: Csfan1984 on June 29, 2018, 05:39:17 AM
I'm not getting high expectations for him. As long as he is a role player that would be good for pick 27.
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: Eddie20 on June 29, 2018, 06:27:32 AM
First we start off at draft with a gifted acquisition at 27.A under coached 20 year old with tools not seen since the days of Celtics legend centers Russell and Cowens.
There is an excellent breakdown of his passing,shooting.offense and defense that shows a gifted athlete and need of professional coaching at NBA level.
I think it is on the Celtic organization to guide Robert so he is not overwhelmed -there is so much to work on with so many adjustments and distractions.
Big men come with a unique set of challenges.
Today we get introduced to the beginning of a possible legend and it will start soon with a play a foot over the box or a nasty come from behind block but it will be a jaw dropping display of athleticism

So even better than other C's bigs like Parish, McHale, and Garnett, huh?

Nice to see that the expectations for this project is within reason.
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: greece66 on June 29, 2018, 06:31:12 AM
First we start off at draft with a gifted acquisition at 27.A under coached 20 year old with tools not seen since the days of Celtics legend centers Russell and Cowens.
There is an excellent breakdown of his passing,shooting.offense and defense that shows a gifted athlete and need of professional coaching at NBA level.
I think it is on the Celtic organization to guide Robert so he is not overwhelmed -there is so much to work on with so many adjustments and distractions.
Big men come with a unique set of challenges.
Today we get introduced to the beginning of a possible legend and it will start soon with a play a foot over the box or a nasty come from behind block but it will be a jaw dropping display of athleticism

So even better than other C's bigs like Parish, McHale, and Garnett, huh?

Nice to see that the expectations for this project is within reason.

With all respect, this is not what Rollie said.
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: rollie mass on June 29, 2018, 06:32:55 AM
Expectations are setups for resentments for some.But i'm a fan and always start off positive
The ability of Brad and team to influence a player of this caliber from the beginning of a NBA career.To instill a work ethic and his trust of his teammates not from a losing squad just playing for numbers but Horford,Kyrie, Hayward Baynes,Marcus,Tatum,Brown and even Rozier
Of course i'm projecting but if you factor his love of defense,his length and vertical . His ability to cover multiple positions because of wingspan and quick feet. His ability to run the court.
There is nothing average about this guy except foul shots and a mid range game but that is easy to work on.He can pass but can also be a Turner and that is not a painting at Tate gallery.
This is not a Gerald Green or Zack Levine but a 240 lb center that get up quick and powerfully .
Call it hyperbole but fortunately for Celtics the hyperbole is fact
.Look at all the Hall of Famers they were all rookie once
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: rollie mass on June 29, 2018, 06:56:48 AM
Tools we have not seen since the days of Russell and Cowens.
Length ,vertical shot and shot blocking ability, light on feet

Today we get introduced to the" beginning of a possible legend".
The key word was possible
And it will start with a well above box lob slam or a huge block. Just jaw dropping!!!!
He has tested at 12.5 ft the 2nd highest ever at the performance clinic.
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: Celtics4ever on June 29, 2018, 07:06:14 AM
He has nice length and great athletic ability.  I too, am very excited about Williams but I realize it might take a few years.
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: Roy H. on June 29, 2018, 07:40:50 AM
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with tools not seen since the days of Celtics legend centers Russell and Cowens

We have yet to see whether he has the tools of Tony Battie.
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: Eddie20 on June 29, 2018, 07:41:25 AM
First we start off at draft with a gifted acquisition at 27.A under coached 20 year old with tools not seen since the days of Celtics legend centers Russell and Cowens.
There is an excellent breakdown of his passing,shooting.offense and defense that shows a gifted athlete and need of professional coaching at NBA level.
I think it is on the Celtic organization to guide Robert so he is not overwhelmed -there is so much to work on with so many adjustments and distractions.
Big men come with a unique set of challenges.
Today we get introduced to the beginning of a possible legend and it will start soon with a play a foot over the box or a nasty come from behind block but it will be a jaw dropping display of athleticism

So even better than other C's bigs like Parish, McHale, and Garnett, huh?

Nice to see that the expectations for this project is within reason.

With all respect, this is not what Rollie said.

"Tools not seen since Russell and Cowens", so since the players I mentioned all came after those 2, it's clear that they didn't have the tools Williams possesses. That said, I do think Williams is really talented and an absolute steal at #27. However, let's keep expectations at least moderately reasonable.
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: rollie mass on June 29, 2018, 08:05:23 AM
They were short centers with vertical and Russell had length and era-Parrish and Mchale did not have the tools of Robert Williams neither were explosive or elite vertical-nether were bouncy
And i'll keep my expectations where I want them.-Quit stalking and attempting to use semantics while fully understanding the gist.Your attempts to discredit are blatantly obvious-Bill Russell had the right idea.
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: ederson on June 29, 2018, 08:15:50 AM
They were short centers with vertical and Russell had length and era-Parrish and Mchale did not have the tools of Robert Williams neither were explosive or elite vertical-nether were bouncy
And i'll keep my expectations where I want them.-Quit stalking and attempting to use semantics while fully understanding the gist.Your attempts to discredit are blatantly obvious-Bill Russell had the right idea.

I guess you ve seen him play, right? Full games (plural) not just highlights...

I remember another recent pick with very interesting body measurements... Fab Melo...

Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: tazzmaniac on June 29, 2018, 08:27:16 AM
They were short centers with vertical and Russell had length and era-Parrish and Mchale did not have the tools of Robert Williams neither were explosive or elite vertical-nether were bouncy
And i'll keep my expectations where I want them.-Quit stalking and attempting to use semantics while fully understanding the gist.Your attempts to discredit are blatantly obvious-Bill Russell had the right idea.

I guess you ve seen him play, right? Full games (plural) not just highlights...

I remember another recent pick with very interesting body measurements... Fab Melo...
I've seen Williams play ~25 full games.  He may not succeed but he's definitely not another Fab Melo. 
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: rollie mass on June 29, 2018, 08:35:34 AM
What are you talking about -a gifted acquisition,under coached and used as a power forward with a poor point guard and center'
I also stressed tools and it is up to the organization,coaching staff and his teammates to teach him.If he fails it will not be athletic ability.Conditioning ,strength training,drills and nutrition .He has youth that drive themselves to emulate and veterans to guide him and a great coach and organization.Are you claiming he is Fab Melo.
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: slamtheking on June 29, 2018, 08:44:50 AM
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with tools not seen since the days of Celtics legend centers Russell and Cowens

We have yet to see whether he has the tools of Tony Battie.
if he turned out to be Tony Battie - we'll have done well for a #27 pick.  hopefully a much better rebounding Tony Battie and Williams develops a reliable 16ft jumper like Battie
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: ederson on June 29, 2018, 08:54:15 AM
What are you talking about -a gifted acquisition,under coached and used as a power forward with a poor point guard and center'
I also stressed tools and it is up to the organization,coaching staff and his teammates to teach him.If he fails it will not be athletic ability.Conditioning ,strength training,drills and nutrition .He has youth that drive themselves to emulate and veterans to guide him and a great coach and organization.Are you claiming he is Fab Melo.

No i am not claiming anything like that because I haven't seen him play. Have you ?

What i AM saying is that athletic ability by itself doesn't mean anything! on the other hand you are calling the 27th pick a possible legend!!!
 
And please don't twist my posts to suit your answer !
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: Eddie20 on June 29, 2018, 09:05:21 AM
They were short centers with vertical and Russell had length and era-Parrish and Mchale did not have the tools of Robert Williams neither were explosive or elite vertical-nether were bouncy
And i'll keep my expectations where I want them.-Quit stalking and attempting to use semantics while fully understanding the gist.Your attempts to discredit are blatantly obvious-Bill Russell had the right idea.

Bill Russell was not a short center in his era. In fact, he was actually pretty big when compared to centers of his day.

There is no need to be upset when someone has a difference of opinion. That's bound to happen on a forum.
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: PaulAllen on June 29, 2018, 09:16:08 AM
If he could develop a Marc Blount-esk jump shot ... then we have a keeper
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: Roy H. on June 29, 2018, 09:21:45 AM
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with tools not seen since the days of Celtics legend centers Russell and Cowens

We have yet to see whether he has the tools of Tony Battie.
if he turned out to be Tony Battie - we'll have done well for a #27 pick.  hopefully a much better rebounding Tony Battie and Williams develops a reliable 16ft jumper like Battie

I'd be happy with it.  I always liked Battie.

I think Battie is probably a more realistic comp than Bill Russell or Dave Cowens.  Here's his pre-draft scouting report:

Quote
Having lost four starters from last season's 30-2 team, Texas Tech
needed Tony Battie to become a star this season, and Battie responded in
a big way.  Battie was the team's second-leading scorer and leading
rebounder, and was a terror defensively.
     Battie is a good low-post scorer, but his offensive game is
somewhat limited.  He needs to expand his shooting range.  What Battie
lacks at the offensive end, he makes up for defensively.  He is an
excellent rebounder and shot-blocker.  He uses his athleticism to aid
him defensively.
     There are two knocks on Battie. He is undersized to play center in
the NBA, and might be undersized to play power forward as well.  In
spite of this, he performed well against good competition, as Tech
played a tough schedule, and played against teams with good big men
(including a few Big Twelve teams).
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: pearljammer10 on June 29, 2018, 09:23:40 AM
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with tools not seen since the days of Celtics legend centers Russell and Cowens

We have yet to see whether he has the tools of Tony Battie.
if he turned out to be Tony Battie - we'll have done well for a #27 pick.  hopefully a much better rebounding Tony Battie and Williams develops a reliable 16ft jumper like Battie

I'd be happy with it.  I always liked Battie.

I think Battie is probably a more realistic comp than Bill Russell or Dave Cowens.  Here's his pre-draft scouting report:

Quote
Having lost four starters from last season's 30-2 team, Texas Tech
needed Tony Battie to become a star this season, and Battie responded in
a big way.  Battie was the team's second-leading scorer and leading
rebounder, and was a terror defensively.
     Battie is a good low-post scorer, but his offensive game is
somewhat limited.  He needs to expand his shooting range.  What Battie
lacks at the offensive end, he makes up for defensively.  He is an
excellent rebounder and shot-blocker.  He uses his athleticism to aid
him defensively.
     There are two knocks on Battie. He is undersized to play center in
the NBA, and might be undersized to play power forward as well.  In
spite of this, he performed well against good competition, as Tech
played a tough schedule, and played against teams with good big men
(including a few Big Twelve teams).

Man I loved Tony Battie. Absolutely loved. At pick 27 I would be more than happy to see Williams turn out to be a Batman 2.0
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: JBcat on June 29, 2018, 10:11:45 AM
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with tools not seen since the days of Celtics legend centers Russell and Cowens

We have yet to see whether he has the tools of Tony Battie.
if he turned out to be Tony Battie - we'll have done well for a #27 pick.  hopefully a much better rebounding Tony Battie and Williams develops a reliable 16ft jumper like Battie

I'd be happy with it.  I always liked Battie.

I think Battie is probably a more realistic comp than Bill Russell or Dave Cowens.  Here's his pre-draft scouting report:

Quote
Having lost four starters from last season's 30-2 team, Texas Tech
needed Tony Battie to become a star this season, and Battie responded in
a big way.  Battie was the team's second-leading scorer and leading
rebounder, and was a terror defensively.
     Battie is a good low-post scorer, but his offensive game is
somewhat limited.  He needs to expand his shooting range.  What Battie
lacks at the offensive end, he makes up for defensively.  He is an
excellent rebounder and shot-blocker.  He uses his athleticism to aid
him defensively.
     There are two knocks on Battie. He is undersized to play center in
the NBA, and might be undersized to play power forward as well.  In
spite of this, he performed well against good competition, as Tech
played a tough schedule, and played against teams with good big men
(including a few Big Twelve teams).

Man I loved Tony Battie. Absolutely loved. At pick 27 I would be more than happy to see Williams turn out to be a Batman 2.0

I looked at what Battie was coming out of college about an inch or 2 taller at 6’11”, but 15 pounds lighter at 225.

Can anyone find Battie’s wingspan/standing reach and vertical and compare that to Williams.

Another thing that really stands out to me is his speed in transition (maybe Parish like), and his agility.  The combine drills they use to test those things would be very interesting.
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: ThaPreacher on June 29, 2018, 10:13:17 AM
They were short centers with vertical and Russell had length and era-Parrish and Mchale did not have the tools of Robert Williams neither were explosive or elite vertical-nether were bouncy
And i'll keep my expectations where I want them.-Quit stalking and attempting to use semantics while fully understanding the gist.Your attempts to discredit are blatantly obvious-Bill Russell had the right idea.

Bill Russell was not a short center in his era. In fact, he was actually pretty big when compared to centers of his day.



There is no need to be upset when someone has a difference of opinion. That's bound to happen on a forum.





And you could have left it at, "Dream Big" no need to throw shade.

Celtic fans have a habit, due to our history, lore and all the stories that Red told,
to be overzealous.
And by the way....
During Russell's career, the average center was 1 inch shorter than today's center.

Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: timpiker on June 29, 2018, 10:20:08 AM
He appears to have the physical skills - now I want to see what's in his head...and his heart....
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on June 29, 2018, 10:23:37 AM
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with tools not seen since the days of Celtics legend centers Russell and Cowens

We have yet to see whether he has the tools of Tony Battie.

I'll take it, if he turns out to be Tony Battie.

Hard worker, bruiser, does his job well, sets good, hard screens. That's a solid player. If Robert Williams will be Tony Battie, that's a good complimentary piece.
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: CF033 on June 29, 2018, 11:39:35 AM
I am def excited about his potential and the fact that lots of people had him going in the early-mid teens in the draft, and we got him at 27.

I can't even begin to predict what his ceiling is. I'm seeing a pretty broad range of where he could end up. At minimum I think he'll be a strong defender, I believe the odds of total bust are pretty low. Good thing he's in a great organization that generally does well in player development.

Could be Giannis, could be Fab Melo. Most likely he'll be somewhere in the middle. Ok maybe I am exaggerating with Giannis but really we have no idea.
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: ThaPreacher on June 29, 2018, 11:54:17 AM
What are you talking about -a gifted acquisition,under coached and used as a power forward with a poor point guard and center'
I also stressed tools and it is up to the organization,coaching staff and his teammates to teach him.If he fails it will not be athletic ability.Conditioning ,strength training,drills and nutrition .He has youth that drive themselves to emulate and veterans to guide him and a great coach and organization.Are you claiming he is Fab Melo.

No i am not claiming anything like that because I haven't seen him play. Have you ?

What i AM saying is that athletic ability by itself doesn't mean anything! on the other hand you are calling the 27th pick a possible legend!!!
 
And please don't twist my posts to suit your answer !


Well he's saying all the right things....."It's a big blessing" to join the Boston Celtics!


And take a note....the number he is wearing!

Ainge!
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: rollie mass on June 29, 2018, 01:10:42 PM
Danny piped up that Robert was two time Defensive Player of Year that's not easy " when questions popped up about his motor.
The innate timing, the love of defense the desire ..Williams has the 2nd highest vertical reach in the world as per 3P sport science,he is bouncy and light on his feet.Who was DPOY but Rudy Gorbert gotta have absurd length these days.
Hyperbole by its very definition is exaggeration to make a point and a legend does not have to be a masterpiece and it can start with some monster jaw dropping dunks and blocks-nobody forgets Daryll Dawkins shattering a fiberglass blackboard-the force of his dunk obliterated the board into a shower of pieces-a real wow moment.Then it happened again.
Time will tell, strengths will come easy, the work will be on areas he wants to avoid now that is work..
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: liam on June 29, 2018, 01:42:38 PM
If he could develop a Marc Blount-esk jump shot ... then we have a keeper

Marc Blount-esk anything is not good.... That's the: play hard for one year for a contract and then shut yourself down move.
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: KG Living Legend on June 29, 2018, 01:43:24 PM
Danny piped up that Robert was two time Defensive Player of Year that's not easy " when questions popped up about his motor.
The innate timing, the love of defense the desire ..Williams has the 2nd highest vertical reach in the world as per 3P sport science,he is bouncy and light on his feet.Who was DPOY but Rudy Gorbert gotta have absurd length these days.
Hyperbole by its very definition is exaggeration to make a point and a legend does not have to be a masterpiece and it can start with some monster jaw dropping dunks and blocks-nobody forgets Daryll Dawkins shattering a fiberglass blackboard-the force of his dunk obliterated the board into a shower of pieces-a real wow moment.Then it happened again.
Time will tell, strengths will come easy, the work will be on areas he wants to avoid now that is work..



 This is great. Where do we find that number hot second highest vertical reach.
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: smokeablount on June 29, 2018, 02:45:57 PM
They were short centers with vertical and Russell had length and era-Parrish and Mchale did not have the tools of Robert Williams neither were explosive or elite vertical-nether were bouncy
And i'll keep my expectations where I want them.-Quit stalking and attempting to use semantics while fully understanding the gist.Your attempts to discredit are blatantly obvious-Bill Russell had the right idea.

I guess you ve seen him play, right? Full games (plural) not just highlights...

I remember another recent pick with very interesting body measurements... Fab Melo...

If someone said about Doncic, 'I remember another recent Euro pick... Mario Hezonja', what would your response be?

Because whatever it is, that's how many of us would react to your Fab Melo / Robert Williams comp.
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: knuckleballer on June 29, 2018, 02:47:42 PM
Danny piped up that Robert was two time Defensive Player of Year that's not easy " when questions popped up about his motor.
The innate timing, the love of defense the desire ..Williams has the 2nd highest vertical reach in the world as per 3P sport science,he is bouncy and light on his feet.Who was DPOY but Rudy Gorbert gotta have absurd length these days.
Hyperbole by its very definition is exaggeration to make a point and a legend does not have to be a masterpiece and it can start with some monster jaw dropping dunks and blocks-nobody forgets Daryll Dawkins shattering a fiberglass blackboard-the force of his dunk obliterated the board into a shower of pieces-a real wow moment.Then it happened again.




Time will tell, strengths will come easy, the work will be on areas he wants to avoid now that is work..



 This is great. Where do we find that number hot second highest vertical reach.


Here's a video from P3 sports science that states he has a 12'5" max vertical reach.  Dwight Howard had a 12'6" max vert when tested by Sports Science which was the highest they ever tested.  Shaq was 12'5".

The video also praises his lateral movements.

https://mobile.twitter.com/p3sportscience/status/1009124980523597825?lang=en

Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: ederson on June 29, 2018, 03:07:02 PM
They were short centers with vertical and Russell had length and era-Parrish and Mchale did not have the tools of Robert Williams neither were explosive or elite vertical-nether were bouncy
And i'll keep my expectations where I want them.-Quit stalking and attempting to use semantics while fully understanding the gist.Your attempts to discredit are blatantly obvious-Bill Russell had the right idea.

I guess you ve seen him play, right? Full games (plural) not just highlights...

I remember another recent pick with very interesting body measurements... Fab Melo...

If someone said about Doncic, 'I remember another recent Euro pick... Mario Hezonja', what would your response be?

Because whatever it is, that's how many of us would react to your Fab Melo / Robert Williams comp.


i did not compare him to Melo because ,i repeat, do not know Williams!

What i said is that claiming someone as a possible legend because he jumps high and has big hands is not very smart as recent picks like Fab Melo have shown.

The difference with Doncic is that i have seen him play . I watched him every week the last two years. I am not a scout so my opinion could be completely wrong and Doncic ends up the new Milicic. Still this is based what i saw and what he did in other leagues while Williams is proclaimed possible legend because of his physical tools. That is way i asked (and never got an answer) if the OP has seen him play enough to draw this conclusion

Maybe just reading the measurements and make assumptions about a player is saver than watching him play.
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: Chris22 on June 29, 2018, 03:15:27 PM
I love the fact that since he came to Boston, he is in the gym at 630 am.


That is awesome.
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: rollie mass on June 29, 2018, 03:22:59 PM
Danny piped up that Robert was two time Defensive Player of Year that's not easy " when questions popped up about his motor.
The innate timing, the love of defense the desire ..Williams has the 2nd highest vertical reach in the world as per 3P sport science,he is bouncy and light on his feet.Who was DPOY but Rudy Gorbert gotta have absurd length these days.
Hyperbole by its very definition is exaggeration to make a point and a legend does not have to be a masterpiece and it can start with some monster jaw dropping dunks and blocks-nobody forgets Daryll Dawkins shattering a fiberglass blackboard-the force of his dunk obliterated the board into a shower of pieces-a real wow moment.Then it happened again.




Time will tell, strengths will come easy, the work will be on areas he wants to avoid now that is work..



 This is great. Where do we find that number hot second highest vertical reach.


Here's a video from P3 sports science that states he has a 12'5" max vertical reach.  Dwight Howard had a 12'6" max vert when tested by Sports Science which was the highest they ever tested.  Shaq was 12'5".

The video also praises his lateral movements.

https://mobile.twitter.com/p3sportscience/status/1009124980523597825?lang=en

TP for the post-2nd best recorded to Dwight Howard
I have non stop watched his games and tapes since draft-strengths and weaknesses and some really extensive breakdowns were posted on this site
Williams NBEinstein Video-just posted it
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: perks-a-beast on June 29, 2018, 03:36:32 PM
what I really like about Williams is how fast he is to get off the floor to dunk and contest shots. He reminds me a lot of Brandon bass in that regard, just so fast to get the ball to the rim that he rarely ever gets his shots blocked. Now if he ever developers Bass's midrange game he's going to be a problem. 
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: spikelovetheCelts on June 29, 2018, 06:26:04 PM
I seen him mocked as high as 7 if came out last year. He is an athlete of the highest level.  I see him playing some and more if we don't keep Baynes. There is no way we should have passed on him at 27. He has a skill set we don't have and need. He can jump and he is long. I also think our special team can motivate him to be a starter in year 3.
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: Future Celtics Owner on June 29, 2018, 06:46:05 PM
STANDING REACH!!!
I found 2 sources claiming RW has a 9'4'' standing reach but does anyone have anything concrete or other sources.

Standing reach is not mentioned enough, if ever, when people are discussing players and it should be brought up.... especially with big men.
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: knuckleballer on June 29, 2018, 07:07:31 PM
STANDING REACH!!!
I found 2 sources claiming RW has a 9'4'' standing reach but does anyone have anything concrete or other sources.

Standing reach is not mentioned enough, if ever, when people are discussing players and it should be brought up.... especially with big men.

In this video, P3 Sports Science shows a spider chart which includes standing reach.  It didn't show the height, but it stated he was in the 80% when compared to other NBA centers. That means he has a higher standing reach higher than 80% of other NBA centers.  His max vertical was about 100%. 

https://mobile.twitter.com/p3sportscience/status/1009124980523597825?lang=en
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: Future Celtics Owner on June 29, 2018, 07:17:38 PM
STANDING REACH!!!
I found 2 sources claiming RW has a 9'4'' standing reach but does anyone have anything concrete or other sources.

Standing reach is not mentioned enough, if ever, when people are discussing players and it should be brought up.... especially with big men.

In this video, P3 Sports Science shows a spider chart which includes standing reach.  It didn't show the height, but it stated he was in the 80% when compared to other NBA centers. That means he has a higher standing reach higher than 80% of other NBA centers.  His max vertical was about the 100%. 

https://mobile.twitter.com/p3sportscience/status/1009124980523597825?lang=en
TP bro
I am looking now to try and find some of that raw data from the chart. Also found another post from P3 stating Williams actually had a 12'6'' max vertical leap. source:
https://texags.com/forums/7/topics/2872781 (https://texags.com/forums/7/topics/2872781)
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: Future Celtics Owner on June 29, 2018, 07:19:29 PM
Danny piped up that Robert was two time Defensive Player of Year that's not easy " when questions popped up about his motor.
The innate timing, the love of defense the desire ..Williams has the 2nd highest vertical reach in the world as per 3P sport science,he is bouncy and light on his feet.Who was DPOY but Rudy Gorbert gotta have absurd length these days.
Hyperbole by its very definition is exaggeration to make a point and a legend does not have to be a masterpiece and it can start with some monster jaw dropping dunks and blocks-nobody forgets Daryll Dawkins shattering a fiberglass blackboard-the force of his dunk obliterated the board into a shower of pieces-a real wow moment.Then it happened again.




Time will tell, strengths will come easy, the work will be on areas he wants to avoid now that is work..



 This is great. Where do we find that number hot second highest vertical reach.


Here's a video from P3 sports science that states he has a 12'5" max vertical reach.  Dwight Howard had a 12'6" max vert when tested by Sports Science which was the highest they ever tested.  Shaq was 12'5".

The video also praises his lateral movements.

https://mobile.twitter.com/p3sportscience/status/1009124980523597825?lang=en

TP for the post-2nd best recorded to Dwight Howard
I have non stop watched his games and tapes since draft-strengths and weaknesses and some really extensive breakdowns were posted on this site
Williams NBEinstein Video-just posted it
Here is a source directly prom P3 stating Robert Williams has a 12'6'' max vertical reach. Also states that he has the 2nd highest vert reach they ever measured besides Jeremy Evans. Source:
https://texags.com/forums/7/topics/2872781 (https://texags.com/forums/7/topics/2872781)
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: Future Celtics Owner on June 29, 2018, 07:45:50 PM
STANDING REACH!!!
I found 2 sources claiming RW has a 9'4'' standing reach but does anyone have anything concrete or other sources.

Standing reach is not mentioned enough, if ever, when people are discussing players and it should be brought up.... especially with big men.

In this video, P3 Sports Science shows a spider chart which includes standing reach.  It didn't show the height, but it stated he was in the 80% when compared to other NBA centers. That means he has a higher standing reach higher than 80% of other NBA centers.  His max vertical was about the 100%. 

https://mobile.twitter.com/p3sportscience/status/1009124980523597825?lang=en
TP bro
I am looking now to try and find some of that raw data from the chart. Also found another post from P3 stating Williams actually had a 12'6'' max vertical leap. source:
https://texags.com/forums/7/topics/2872781 (https://texags.com/forums/7/topics/2872781)
According to this site the average NBA Center has:
Wingspan: 7'2.8''
Standing Reach: 9'1.2''
http://analyticsgame.com/nba/average-nba-position-draft-measurements.html (http://analyticsgame.com/nba/average-nba-position-draft-measurements.html)
But this data is 4 years old and more teams have embraced small ball lineups since then.

If P3 has Williams 7'6'' wingspan at 90th percentile then an 80th percentile for standing reach could easily be 9'4''....depending on what data and averages they are going on for the "average nba center"
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: Beat LA on June 29, 2018, 08:45:37 PM
STANDING REACH!!!
I found 2 sources claiming RW has a 9'4'' standing reach but does anyone have anything concrete or other sources.

Standing reach is not mentioned enough, if ever, when people are discussing players and it should be brought up.... especially with big men.

In this video, P3 Sports Science shows a spider chart which includes standing reach.  It didn't show the height, but it stated he was in the 80% when compared to other NBA centers. That means he has a higher standing reach higher than 80% of other NBA centers.  His max vertical was about 100%. 

https://mobile.twitter.com/p3sportscience/status/1009124980523597825?lang=en

The club from Charmed?

Wait, what? ;D
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: Dino Pitino on June 29, 2018, 09:20:53 PM
Danny piped up that Robert was two time Defensive Player of Year that's not easy " when questions popped up about his motor.
The innate timing, the love of defense the desire ..Williams has the 2nd highest vertical reach in the world as per 3P sport science,he is bouncy and light on his feet.Who was DPOY but Rudy Gorbert gotta have absurd length these days.
Hyperbole by its very definition is exaggeration to make a point and a legend does not have to be a masterpiece and it can start with some monster jaw dropping dunks and blocks-nobody forgets Daryll Dawkins shattering a fiberglass blackboard-the force of his dunk obliterated the board into a shower of pieces-a real wow moment.Then it happened again.




Time will tell, strengths will come easy, the work will be on areas he wants to avoid now that is work..



 This is great. Where do we find that number hot second highest vertical reach.


Here's a video from P3 sports science that states he has a 12'5" max vertical reach.  Dwight Howard had a 12'6" max vert when tested by Sports Science which was the highest they ever tested.  Shaq was 12'5".

The video also praises his lateral movements.

https://mobile.twitter.com/p3sportscience/status/1009124980523597825?lang=en

TP for the post-2nd best recorded to Dwight Howard
I have non stop watched his games and tapes since draft-strengths and weaknesses and some really extensive breakdowns were posted on this site
Williams NBEinstein Video-just posted it
Here is a source directly prom P3 stating Robert Williams has a
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12'6''
max vertical reach. Also states that he has the 2nd highest vert reach they ever measured besides Jeremy Evans. Source:
https://texags.com/forums/7/topics/2872781 (https://texags.com/forums/7/topics/2872781)

That's incredible! TP

It shows in the game clips, he reaches some impossibly high lobs. Considering how relatively weak we are at passing oops, save for Smart, it's good to have somebody with reach like that to pull in slightly errant oops.
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: EvilEmpire on June 29, 2018, 10:45:30 PM
Just for reference here is Dwight touching 12'6" on a B-ball hoop.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVfCaPRgTA4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVfCaPRgTA4)
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: EvilEmpire on June 29, 2018, 10:48:41 PM
Here is a few mins from the presser the other day with Danny, Brad, and RW3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-FPMfsJtkQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-FPMfsJtkQ)
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: Scintan on June 30, 2018, 12:06:37 AM
He should just retire now, so that he can get a head start on the Hall Of Fame.
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: Hoopvortex on June 30, 2018, 02:01:37 AM
STANDING REACH!!!
I found 2 sources claiming RW has a 9'4'' standing reach but does anyone have anything concrete or other sources.

Standing reach is not mentioned enough, if ever, when people are discussing players and it should be brought up.... especially with big men.

In this video, P3 Sports Science shows a spider chart which includes standing reach.  It didn't show the height, but it stated he was in the 80% when compared to other NBA centers. That means he has a higher standing reach higher than 80% of other NBA centers.  His max vertical was about 100%. 

https://mobile.twitter.com/p3sportscience/status/1009124980523597825?lang=en

Great find.

Mr. Leidersdorf points to a couple of really interesting measures:

1) Acceleration of the knee joints in extension 78th percentile measured against all NBA athletes (i.e., not just centers). A man with a shorter limb can be expected to accelerate the knees quicker, all other things being equal; in the case of Mr. Williams, you combine his acceleration with his length and you have somebody who really gets up there, and qvickly.

2) On the spider chart he appears to be at somewhere north of 90% for lateral drive - compared to all NBA centers, and, again, combining that with his length gives him an extraordinary skillset for playing NBA defense. If he can get enough court time and has the mental gifts  to match the physical ones, he could be one of the top defenders in the league.

I notice, by the way, that two of P3’s clients are Gordon Hayward and Jaylen Brown (of course Jaylen is!). 
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: Hoopvortex on June 30, 2018, 02:14:20 AM
He should just retire now, so that he can get a head start on the Hall Of Fame.

Lol

The best case is likely closer to a quicker Deandre Jordan, free throw catastrophe not excluded.
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on June 30, 2018, 08:32:12 AM
At the very LEAST he has a GREAT first name.

(https://i.pinimg.com/236x/f5/2d/fb/f52dfbd3ee4fc9686640180223b12e01.jpg)

Now, if the young Robert develops a Spin Move I'm through. And - nothing wrong with being the strong, silent type either. It worked for The Chief - to GREAT effect.

I'm expecting great things out of him. He has a great team, great youth, veteran leadership and great coaching.

Additionally - he HAS to make the other 26 teams pay for passing on him.

Time to get to work.
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: rollie mass on June 30, 2018, 08:40:00 AM
Thanks to the P3's video and the proof of Robert Williams vertical reach along with the breakdown of his mechanics that make him as fast laterally as NBA guards .The combination of the 2nd highest vertical reach just behind Dwight Howard a 7-6 wingspan as measured by Danny and lateral speed make for a historic combination.
He loves defense so now the fun starts.The instruction and individual coaching.
Learning the technical aspects of footwork,angles,rebounding till its instinctive and team defensive sets, Then film and more film.He will have tutoring from Horford and will lose the excuse of under coached.
I have a theory that most young big guys do not apply themselves to strength training,conditioning and drills. Between now and training camp we may see a measurable improvement in strength and stamina.
I can't wait for Summer League as guard play attempts to dominate and runs into a few monsta blocks from weak side or trailing a play or just plain old rim protecting.Having to deal with Semi or Yabusele only to run into Robert Williams.
The color guys are going to love this as "steal of draft" gets repeated over and over or how did the Ainge wind up with "HIM"." at 27


 


Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: Sophomore on June 30, 2018, 09:18:25 AM
Thanks to the P3's video and the proof of Robert Williams vertical reach along with the breakdown of his mechanics that make him as fast laterally as NBA guards .The combination of the 2nd highest vertical reach just behind Dwight Howard a 7-6 wingspan as measured by Danny and lateral speed make for a historic combination.
He loves defense so now the fun starts.The instruction and individual coaching.
Learning the technical aspects of footwork,angles,rebounding till its instinctive and team defensive sets, Then film and more film.He will have tutoring from Horford and will lose the excuse of under coached.
I have a theory that most young big guys do not apply themselves to strength training,conditioning and drills. Between now and training camp we may see a measurable improvement in strength and stamina.
I can't wait for Summer League as guard play attempts to dominate and runs into a few monsta blocks from weak side or trailing a play or just plain old rim protecting.Having to deal with Semi or Yabusele only to run into Robert Williams.
The color guys are going to love this as "steal of draft" gets repeated over and over or how did the Ainge wind up with "HIM"." at 27

Love the enthusiasm. It’s a fun time of the year to be thinking about what might be.

Williams has shown some amazing tools, no doubt. Let’s all remember, too, to be a little patient.  It could take a few years to put it together - and that’s fine. We have our starters and he’s on a very, very cheap contract.

Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: Celtics4ever on June 30, 2018, 10:43:58 AM
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A man with a shorter limb can be expected to accelerate the knees quicker, all other things being equal;

Be real how many guys with short legs have you seen jump well, it has nothing to do with jumping but helps in bench press.

Dr J, Jordan and a lot of NBA jumpers have long legs and shorter torso.   The key part is to have a longer calf than a thigh that gives you more leverage.  You look at the great leapers in the NBA and most of them have this build.  Williams look to have this build too.  Note small guys can possess longer legs than torso too.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjB677grfvbAhWan4MKHTHHBwsQjRx6BAgBEAU&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.concordmonitor.com%2FDon-t-get-carried-away-with-Williams-just-yet-18374562&psig=AOvVaw0Mhwyr9kZVsnbVN2NThTWP&ust=1530447065793002


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Long-levered athletes tend to express their strength much more successfully on the playing field than in the weight room.  Many times they are stronger outside the lifting room, too. For example, Michael Jordan at one time had a startling vertical jump and was very strong, yet when compared to a person his same weight and a foot shorter he has a large disadvantage in a parallel squat and I doubt if you would ever see him setting any lifting records

http://www.higher-faster-sports.com/bodystructure.html
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: Hoopvortex on June 30, 2018, 10:46:56 AM
STANDING REACH!!!
I found 2 sources claiming RW has a 9'4'' standing reach but does anyone have anything concrete or other sources.

Standing reach is not mentioned enough, if ever, when people are discussing players and it should be brought up.... especially with big men.

In this video, P3 Sports Science shows a spider chart which includes standing reach.  It didn't show the height, but it stated he was in the 80% when compared to other NBA centers. That means he has a higher standing reach higher than 80% of other NBA centers.  His max vertical was about 100%. 

https://mobile.twitter.com/p3sportscience/status/1009124980523597825?lang=en

Do you happen to know what those other measures on the spider chart are?
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on June 30, 2018, 11:05:45 AM
STANDING REACH!!!
I found 2 sources claiming RW has a 9'4'' standing reach but does anyone have anything concrete or other sources.

Standing reach is not mentioned enough, if ever, when people are discussing players and it should be brought up.... especially with big men.

In this video, P3 Sports Science shows a spider chart which includes standing reach.  It didn't show the height, but it stated he was in the 80% when compared to other NBA centers. That means he has a higher standing reach higher than 80% of other NBA centers.  His max vertical was about 100%. 

https://mobile.twitter.com/p3sportscience/status/1009124980523597825?lang=en

Do you happen to know what those other measures on the spider chart are?

Could someone post that pic? Can't access twitter right now.
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: Bobshot on June 30, 2018, 11:19:41 AM
Has anyone bothered to ask what Bill Russell thinks of Williams? I'm sure he has seen him on video, and he has probably talked to the Celtics about him.

Of course, I'm not quite sure the current media even knows who Bill Russell is --or was. Or about the dozen or so championships the Celtics won during his tenure--with his defense having a lot to do with it.

Nobody is equating Williams with Russell at this point, of course, but you look at his videos, and he sure does remind you of a young Bill Russell.
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: Celtics4ever on June 30, 2018, 11:33:20 AM
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Nobody is equating Williams with Russell at this point, of course, but you look at his videos, and he sure does remind you of a young Bill Russell.

Russell did a ton of stuff that does not show up on the stat sheet.  His will to win was legendary.
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: Hoopvortex on June 30, 2018, 11:52:54 AM
STANDING REACH!!!
I found 2 sources claiming RW has a 9'4'' standing reach but does anyone have anything concrete or other sources.

Standing reach is not mentioned enough, if ever, when people are discussing players and it should be brought up.... especially with big men.

In this video, P3 Sports Science shows a spider chart which includes standing reach.  It didn't show the height, but it stated he was in the 80% when compared to other NBA centers. That means he has a higher standing reach higher than 80% of other NBA centers.  His max vertical was about 100%. 

https://mobile.twitter.com/p3sportscience/status/1009124980523597825?lang=en

Do you happen to know what those other measures on the spider chart are?

Could someone post that pic? Can't access twitter right now.

It’s a video, all too brief and lacking crucial info and explanations.
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: hwangjini_1 on June 30, 2018, 02:17:57 PM
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Nobody is equating Williams with Russell at this point, of course, but you look at his videos, and he sure does remind you of a young Bill Russell.

Russell did a ton of stuff that does not show up on the stat sheet.  His will to win was legendary.
as was his vomiting.  ;D
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: Hoopvortex on June 30, 2018, 02:23:01 PM
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A man with a shorter limb can be expected to accelerate the knees quicker, all other things being equal;

Be real how many guys with short legs have you seen jump well, it has nothing to do with jumping but helps in bench press.

Dr J, Jordan and a lot of NBA jumpers have long legs and shorter torso.   The key part is to have a longer calf than a thigh that gives you more leverage.  You look at the great leapers in the NBA and most of them have this build.  Williams look to have this build too.  Note small guys can possess longer legs than torso too.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjB677grfvbAhWan4MKHTHHBwsQjRx6BAgBEAU&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.concordmonitor.com%2FDon-t-get-carried-away-with-Williams-just-yet-18374562&psig=AOvVaw0Mhwyr9kZVsnbVN2NThTWP&ust=1530447065793002


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Long-levered athletes tend to express their strength much more successfully on the playing field than in the weight room.  Many times they are stronger outside the lifting room, too. For example, Michael Jordan at one time had a startling vertical jump and was very strong, yet when compared to a person his same weight and a foot shorter he has a large disadvantage in a parallel squat and I doubt if you would ever see him setting any lifting records

http://www.higher-faster-sports.com/bodystructure.html

In a way it’s funny - on Wednesday I gave my Kinesiology class their joints exam; and no matter how much I warn them to read carefully and check their work, predictably two or three students will read “radioulnar” where it says “radiocarpal”, etc., etc. You did not respond to what I actually said.

What I said is very simple. The key part is, “all other things being equal.“   It is basic physics:  longer tibias and femurs have more inertia to overcome.

When you say “jump well” you seem to be talking about how high - but notice that I was referring, along with the P3 biomechanics guy, to acceleration at the knee.
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: rollie mass on June 30, 2018, 02:26:21 PM
From a standstill Rob gets 2 ft above rim.
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: Sophomore on June 30, 2018, 02:31:17 PM
From a standstill Rob gets 2 ft above rim.

And that is amazing. So quick off the ground to very high.
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on June 30, 2018, 02:34:14 PM
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A man with a shorter limb can be expected to accelerate the knees quicker, all other things being equal;

Be real how many guys with short legs have you seen jump well, it has nothing to do with jumping but helps in bench press.

Dr J, Jordan and a lot of NBA jumpers have long legs and shorter torso.   The key part is to have a longer calf than a thigh that gives you more leverage.  You look at the great leapers in the NBA and most of them have this build.  Williams look to have this build too.  Note small guys can possess longer legs than torso too.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjB677grfvbAhWan4MKHTHHBwsQjRx6BAgBEAU&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.concordmonitor.com%2FDon-t-get-carried-away-with-Williams-just-yet-18374562&psig=AOvVaw0Mhwyr9kZVsnbVN2NThTWP&ust=1530447065793002


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Long-levered athletes tend to express their strength much more successfully on the playing field than in the weight room.  Many times they are stronger outside the lifting room, too. For example, Michael Jordan at one time had a startling vertical jump and was very strong, yet when compared to a person his same weight and a foot shorter he has a large disadvantage in a parallel squat and I doubt if you would ever see him setting any lifting records

http://www.higher-faster-sports.com/bodystructure.html

In a way it’s funny - on Wednesday I gave my Kinesiology class their joints exam; and no matter how much I warn them to read carefully and check their work, predictably two or three students will read “radioulnar” where it says “radiocarpal”, etc., etc. You did not respond to what I actually said.

 What I’m saying is actually very simple. The key part is, “all other things being equal.“   It is simple physics:  longer tibias and femurs have more inertia to overcome.

When you say “jump well” you seem to be talking about how high - but notice that I was referring, along with the P3 biomechanics guy, to acceleration at the knee.

Seriously, please post and explain your expertise more. I want to learn more about your view of athleticism. I'd love to see some in depth analyses of the draft's athletic testing.
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: smokeablount on June 30, 2018, 04:26:25 PM
They were short centers with vertical and Russell had length and era-Parrish and Mchale did not have the tools of Robert Williams neither were explosive or elite vertical-nether were bouncy
And i'll keep my expectations where I want them.-Quit stalking and attempting to use semantics while fully understanding the gist.Your attempts to discredit are blatantly obvious-Bill Russell had the right idea.

I guess you ve seen him play, right? Full games (plural) not just highlights...

I remember another recent pick with very interesting body measurements... Fab Melo...

If someone said about Doncic, 'I remember another recent Euro pick... Mario Hezonja', what would your response be?

Because whatever it is, that's how many of us would react to your Fab Melo / Robert Williams comp.


i did not compare him to Melo because ,i repeat, do not know Williams!

What i said is that claiming someone as a possible legend because he jumps high and has big hands is not very smart as recent picks like Fab Melo have shown.

The difference with Doncic is that i have seen him play . I watched him every week the last two years. I am not a scout so my opinion could be completely wrong and Doncic ends up the new Milicic. Still this is based what i saw and what he did in other leagues while Williams is proclaimed possible legend because of his physical tools. That is way i asked (and never got an answer) if the OP has seen him play enough to draw this conclusion

Maybe just reading the measurements and make assumptions about a player is saver than watching him play.

I’ve watched him play. His defense and rebounding are for real. And his physical measurements aren’t Fab Melo like, they are Dwight / DJ like. That’s not the same. It’s hard to say what he will be because his college system is nothing like ours, but everyone has a right to be excited we got him at #27.
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: Future Celtics Owner on June 30, 2018, 04:31:38 PM
He really needs to learn how to utilize his left hand when blocking shots.
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: Hoopvortex on June 30, 2018, 05:15:19 PM
Quote
A man with a shorter limb can be expected to accelerate the knees quicker, all other things being equal;

Be real how many guys with short legs have you seen jump well, it has nothing to do with jumping but helps in bench press.

Dr J, Jordan and a lot of NBA jumpers have long legs and shorter torso.   The key part is to have a longer calf than a thigh that gives you more leverage.  You look at the great leapers in the NBA and most of them have this build.  Williams look to have this build too.  Note small guys can possess longer legs than torso too.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjB677grfvbAhWan4MKHTHHBwsQjRx6BAgBEAU&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.concordmonitor.com%2FDon-t-get-carried-away-with-Williams-just-yet-18374562&psig=AOvVaw0Mhwyr9kZVsnbVN2NThTWP&ust=1530447065793002


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Long-levered athletes tend to express their strength much more successfully on the playing field than in the weight room.  Many times they are stronger outside the lifting room, too. For example, Michael Jordan at one time had a startling vertical jump and was very strong, yet when compared to a person his same weight and a foot shorter he has a large disadvantage in a parallel squat and I doubt if you would ever see him setting any lifting records

http://www.higher-faster-sports.com/bodystructure.html

In a way it’s funny - on Wednesday I gave my Kinesiology class their joints exam; and no matter how much I warn them to read carefully and check their work, predictably two or three students will read “radioulnar” where it says “radiocarpal”, etc., etc. You did not respond to what I actually said.

 What I’m saying is actually very simple. The key part is, “all other things being equal.“   It is simple physics:  longer tibias and femurs have more inertia to overcome.

When you say “jump well” you seem to be talking about how high - but notice that I was referring, along with the P3 biomechanics guy, to acceleration at the knee.

Seriously, please post and explain your expertise more. I want to learn more about your view of athleticism. I'd love to see some in depth analyses of the draft's athletic testing.

I began teaching Kinesiology and Anatomy/Physiology to undergraduates in 2003. I’ve done deep tissue bodywork since 1999, and I work mostly with clients who have pain. How unbalanced, asymmetrical movement leads to dysfunction is a daily preoccupation. Somewhere in there I taught dance for a couple of years.

I love players who have fine motor skills and balanced, efficient, effortless movement. Jaylen Brown might be my favorite player, but Tatum and Ojeleye are not far behind.
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: Beat LA on June 30, 2018, 05:54:41 PM
He really needs to learn how to utilize his left hand when blocking shots.

Don't worry, man, that's precisely the reason as to why we now have Jarrod Uthoff, lol ;) ::) ;D.

#HeWillNotEvenMakeTheTeam :'(
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: Hoopvortex on June 30, 2018, 09:37:01 PM
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A man with a shorter limb can be expected to accelerate the knees quicker, all other things being equal;

Be real how many guys with short legs have you seen jump well, it has nothing to do with jumping but helps in bench press.

Dr J, Jordan and a lot of NBA jumpers have long legs and shorter torso.   The key part is to have a longer calf than a thigh that gives you more leverage.  You look at the great leapers in the NBA and most of them have this build.  Williams look to have this build too.  Note small guys can possess longer legs than torso too.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjB677grfvbAhWan4MKHTHHBwsQjRx6BAgBEAU&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.concordmonitor.com%2FDon-t-get-carried-away-with-Williams-just-yet-18374562&psig=AOvVaw0Mhwyr9kZVsnbVN2NThTWP&ust=1530447065793002


Quote
Long-levered athletes tend to express their strength much more successfully on the playing field than in the weight room.  Many times they are stronger outside the lifting room, too. For example, Michael Jordan at one time had a startling vertical jump and was very strong, yet when compared to a person his same weight and a foot shorter he has a large disadvantage in a parallel squat and I doubt if you would ever see him setting any lifting records

http://www.higher-faster-sports.com/bodystructure.html

Meant to acknowledge the links you posted here - very cool. Gave you a Tommy Point.
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: vjcsmoke on June 30, 2018, 09:41:22 PM
It's a very promising pick.  And because of his amazing athleticism and wingspan, RW3 has the chance to be a big man steal much like Rudy Gobert, Clint Capela, Serge Ibaka, Deandre Jordan, etc. etc.

Now will he turn into that, nobody knows for sure.  It all depends on how much desire he has to become better and become one of the best in the game.  The ceiling is very high, but it all depends on Robert if he's going to become one in a long line of Celtic big men greats.  If he can reach the level of Robert Parish I would call this pick an amazing steal.

One word of caution though, big men usually take longer to mature than other positions.  So we might not see his true benefits until year 3.  Or if we are lucky he takes a big step in year 2 and has everybody talking about him the way that Jaylen Brown made that year 2 leap into relevance.
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: Hoopvortex on June 30, 2018, 10:04:40 PM
He really needs to learn how to utilize his left hand when blocking shots.

I think that you might have a point. In other words blocking the man he’s guarding without having to turn.
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: rochrist on July 01, 2018, 12:48:09 PM
They were short centers with vertical and Russell had length and era-Parrish and Mchale did not have the tools of Robert Williams neither were explosive or elite vertical-nether were bouncy
And i'll keep my expectations where I want them.-Quit stalking and attempting to use semantics while fully understanding the gist.Your attempts to discredit are blatantly obvious-Bill Russell had the right idea.

I guess you ve seen him play, right? Full games (plural) not just highlights...

I remember another recent pick with very interesting body measurements... Fab Melo...

Fab Melo could barely walk and chew gum at the same time. He was Fred Munster on the BB court. He had literally one one thousandth of the athleticism this kid has.
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: ThaPreacher on July 01, 2018, 12:56:22 PM
They were short centers with vertical and Russell had length and era-Parrish and Mchale did not have the tools of Robert Williams neither were explosive or elite vertical-nether were bouncy
And i'll keep my expectations where I want them.-Quit stalking and attempting to use semantics while fully understanding the gist.Your attempts to discredit are blatantly obvious-Bill Russell had the right idea.

I guess you ve seen him play, right? Full games (plural) not just highlights...

I remember another recent pick with very interesting body measurements... Fab Melo...

Fab Melo could barely walk and chew gum at the same time. He was Fred Munster on the BB court. He had literally one one thousandth of the athleticism this kid has.

But he could play a 2-3 zone like no other!

https://www.si.com/more-sports/2012/02/20/syracuse
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: Big333223 on July 01, 2018, 05:28:05 PM
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A man with a shorter limb can be expected to accelerate the knees quicker, all other things being equal;

Be real how many guys with short legs have you seen jump well, it has nothing to do with jumping but helps in bench press.

Dr J, Jordan and a lot of NBA jumpers have long legs and shorter torso.   The key part is to have a longer calf than a thigh that gives you more leverage.  You look at the great leapers in the NBA and most of them have this build.  Williams look to have this build too.  Note small guys can possess longer legs than torso too.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjB677grfvbAhWan4MKHTHHBwsQjRx6BAgBEAU&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.concordmonitor.com%2FDon-t-get-carried-away-with-Williams-just-yet-18374562&psig=AOvVaw0Mhwyr9kZVsnbVN2NThTWP&ust=1530447065793002


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Long-levered athletes tend to express their strength much more successfully on the playing field than in the weight room.  Many times they are stronger outside the lifting room, too. For example, Michael Jordan at one time had a startling vertical jump and was very strong, yet when compared to a person his same weight and a foot shorter he has a large disadvantage in a parallel squat and I doubt if you would ever see him setting any lifting records

http://www.higher-faster-sports.com/bodystructure.html

In a way it’s funny - on Wednesday I gave my Kinesiology class their joints exam; and no matter how much I warn them to read carefully and check their work, predictably two or three students will read “radioulnar” where it says “radiocarpal”, etc., etc. You did not respond to what I actually said.

 What I’m saying is actually very simple. The key part is, “all other things being equal.“   It is simple physics:  longer tibias and femurs have more inertia to overcome.

When you say “jump well” you seem to be talking about how high - but notice that I was referring, along with the P3 biomechanics guy, to acceleration at the knee.

Seriously, please post and explain your expertise more. I want to learn more about your view of athleticism. I'd love to see some in depth analyses of the draft's athletic testing.

I began teaching Kinesiology and Anatomy/Physiology to undergraduates in 2003. I’ve done deep tissue bodywork since 1999, and I work mostly with clients who have pain. How unbalanced, asymmetrical movement leads to dysfunction is a daily preoccupation. Somewhere in there I taught dance for a couple of years.

I love players who have fine motor skills and balanced, efficient, effortless movement. Jaylen Brown might be my favorite player, but Tatum and Ojeleye are not far behind.

TP for the info.

I wonder how many basketball players would benefit from dance classes. Balance, coordination, timing...
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: Future Celtics Owner on July 01, 2018, 05:30:04 PM
He really needs to learn how to utilize his left hand when blocking shots.

I think that you might have a point. In other words blocking the man he’s guarding without having to turn.
TP. All the best shot-blockers in the league know how and when to use their left hand for contesting/blocking shots. All the scouts I rely on (including Mike Schmitz) rave when a big man prospect uses the left arm/hand to block or contest shots.

All the video I've seen on RW3 and never really see him use that left arm. It's a YUUUUUGE advantage and imo RW3 had 2 reasons in college for neglecting the left arm:
1. Elite reach/length and athleticism
2. He loves to smash the ball like a volleyball whenever he can(good thing).

The dude set a school record for most games w/ consecutive blocks (40 something) and averaged 2.5 bpg in like 25 mpg........ALL WITH USING ONE ARM LOL
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: Future Celtics Owner on July 01, 2018, 05:33:16 PM
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A man with a shorter limb can be expected to accelerate the knees quicker, all other things being equal;

Be real how many guys with short legs have you seen jump well, it has nothing to do with jumping but helps in bench press.

Dr J, Jordan and a lot of NBA jumpers have long legs and shorter torso.   The key part is to have a longer calf than a thigh that gives you more leverage.  You look at the great leapers in the NBA and most of them have this build.  Williams look to have this build too.  Note small guys can possess longer legs than torso too.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjB677grfvbAhWan4MKHTHHBwsQjRx6BAgBEAU&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.concordmonitor.com%2FDon-t-get-carried-away-with-Williams-just-yet-18374562&psig=AOvVaw0Mhwyr9kZVsnbVN2NThTWP&ust=1530447065793002


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Long-levered athletes tend to express their strength much more successfully on the playing field than in the weight room.  Many times they are stronger outside the lifting room, too. For example, Michael Jordan at one time had a startling vertical jump and was very strong, yet when compared to a person his same weight and a foot shorter he has a large disadvantage in a parallel squat and I doubt if you would ever see him setting any lifting records

http://www.higher-faster-sports.com/bodystructure.html

In a way it’s funny - on Wednesday I gave my Kinesiology class their joints exam; and no matter how much I warn them to read carefully and check their work, predictably two or three students will read “radioulnar” where it says “radiocarpal”, etc., etc. You did not respond to what I actually said.

 What I’m saying is actually very simple. The key part is, “all other things being equal.“   It is simple physics:  longer tibias and femurs have more inertia to overcome.

When you say “jump well” you seem to be talking about how high - but notice that I was referring, along with the P3 biomechanics guy, to acceleration at the knee.

Seriously, please post and explain your expertise more. I want to learn more about your view of athleticism. I'd love to see some in depth analyses of the draft's athletic testing.

I began teaching Kinesiology and Anatomy/Physiology to undergraduates in 2003. I’ve done deep tissue bodywork since 1999, and I work mostly with clients who have pain. How unbalanced, asymmetrical movement leads to dysfunction is a daily preoccupation. Somewhere in there I taught dance for a couple of years.

I love players who have fine motor skills and balanced, efficient, effortless movement. Jaylen Brown might be my favorite player, but Tatum and Ojeleye are not far behind.

TP for the info.

I wonder how many basketball players would benefit from dance classes. Balance, coordination, timing...
The NBA would have less stiffs.

Can you imagine Yabu and RW3 signing up at the local YMCA/BGC for ballet? "I just want to dance"! - Billy Elliot
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: MattyIce on July 01, 2018, 05:43:25 PM
another issue already?

Jay Larranaga said the Celtics are all disappointed Robert Williams missed his flight, will handle it internally.

https://twitter.com/byjayking/status/1013537905913094150?s=21
Title: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Roy H. on July 01, 2018, 05:43:49 PM
@AdamHimmelsbach

No details yet, but presumably that's another stupid move by the rook.   
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: jpotter33 on July 01, 2018, 05:46:05 PM
http://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1013537987492302848

Yeah, not the greatest start to Williams’ Celtics career...
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: CelticsElite on July 01, 2018, 05:50:14 PM
You're a multimillionaire and all you have to do is wake up on time and throw a ball through a hoop, a privilege given to only about 460 people in America. 
.


Unbelievable.

The great thing is we are deep at the 5 so we don't need him but its sad to see a talented kid not care
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on July 01, 2018, 05:51:05 PM
http://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1013537987492302848

Yeah, not the greatest start to Williams’ Celtics career...

Lol.  He's very young. 
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: colincb on July 01, 2018, 05:52:28 PM
Don't think he's signed his contract yet.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: celticinorlando on July 01, 2018, 05:53:42 PM
This kid is not Celtic material. What a lazy, irresponsible person.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Rondo9 on July 01, 2018, 05:53:47 PM
So when will the Robert Williams is a bust threads start?
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Birdman on July 01, 2018, 05:54:43 PM
Geez only been over 10 days and he been missing couple of times...not good, not good at all..now im seeing why he drop to 27th...celtics better find an extra big guy to help Al and Aron
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: jpotter33 on July 01, 2018, 05:55:14 PM
Don't think he's signed his contract yet.

Extra asset to include in a Kawhi trade? San Antonio isn’t that far from Texas A & M  ;)

(Only half kidding, unfortunately.)
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: CelticsElite on July 01, 2018, 05:55:36 PM
He probably partied all night and couldn't wake up

Irresponsible
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Roy H. on July 01, 2018, 05:56:08 PM
So when will the Robert Williams is a bust threads start?

When he spends the entire season in Stevens' dog house and gets no minutes his rookie season.

Or, when he goes to Europe after the team refuses to offer the 120% rookie scale.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Alleyoopster on July 01, 2018, 05:57:09 PM
2x SEC Defensive Player of the Year....can't be too lazy. 
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: greece66 on July 01, 2018, 05:57:43 PM
If he plays well, all this will be immediately forgotten.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: celticinorlando on July 01, 2018, 05:58:35 PM
Guys are out there today for three hours trying to get recognized. Williams is a first round pick and can’t get follow simple instructions.

Really insulting to this franchise. Selfish
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Rondo9 on July 01, 2018, 06:00:08 PM
So when will the Robert Williams is a bust threads start?

When he spends the entire season in Stevens' dog house and gets no minutes his rookie season.

Or, when he goes to Europe after the team refuses to offer the 120% rookie scale.

You can’t wait for that to happen can you?  ;)
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on July 01, 2018, 06:00:55 PM
Not the way you want to start your NBA career. This isn't just a mistake, this is irresponsibility at it's core.

This is going to be an interesting.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on July 01, 2018, 06:01:10 PM
He reminds me of Javale McGee.  Incredible athlete but immature, and can't get out of his own way.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Phantom255x on July 01, 2018, 06:02:36 PM
I loved the pick, but yikes.. not a good look.

Unfortunately it may also explain why so many teams passed on him before landing at #27.

Talent is there, but he's got to get it together.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Roy H. on July 01, 2018, 06:03:04 PM
So when will the Robert Williams is a bust threads start?

When he spends the entire season in Stevens' dog house and gets no minutes his rookie season.

Or, when he goes to Europe after the team refuses to offer the 120% rookie scale.

You can’t wait for that to happen can you?  ;)

I would love to see his boneheadness cost him some money, because that may be the only thing that teaches him a lesson.
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: Big333223 on July 01, 2018, 06:03:25 PM
http://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1013537987492302848

Yeah, not the greatest start to Williams’ Celtics career...

Lol.  He's very young.

I mean... He's 20. How old do you have to be to be on time?
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: wiley on July 01, 2018, 06:05:13 PM
There will be a lot of peer pressure on him to not screw up...from Smart, Horford and others.  That seems like what he may need right now is his future teammates in his ear..and hopefully he'll listen to them. 

Missed flight looks bad but let's see if there's a decent reason...I didn't say a good reason..just decent..
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: Phantom255x on July 01, 2018, 06:08:37 PM
http://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1013537987492302848

Yeah, not the greatest start to Williams’ Celtics career...

Lol.  He's very young.

I mean... He's 20. How old do you have to be to be on time?

I turned 20 not so long ago. So hopefully not for another few years at the minimum  :P  :laugh:
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: celticinorlando on July 01, 2018, 06:09:56 PM
This thread should be called the making of a season in the doghouse
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Future Celtics Owner on July 01, 2018, 06:10:02 PM
He probably partied all night and couldn't wake up

Irresponsible
He turns 21 in October......
Not a reliable source but I heard he parties a lot. No way to prove it but ppl think he was super hungover for his conference call. I don't want to make a big deal about it bc I was that age but it becomes a problem when it effects basketball workouts/meetings/activities/practices/ and games.

I know that a good amount of our late 1st and 2nd rounders get townhouses together or next to each other close to practice facility. Horford will be a good mentor and work with him....but he's not going to adopt RW3 and have him live with his family lol. Semi would be an excellent roommate/adjoining townhouse.

Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Tr1boy on July 01, 2018, 06:13:21 PM
The Celts should have drafted Spellman

This guy is already sounding worse than Fab Melo

Can you imagine.....  Vet:  Robert , make sure you bring coffee for the vets tomorrow. here is the order....

waiting...waiting
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Future Celtics Owner on July 01, 2018, 06:14:37 PM
So when will the Robert Williams is a bust threads start?

When he spends the entire season in Stevens' dog house and gets no minutes his rookie season.

Or, when he goes to Europe after the team refuses to offer the 120% rookie scale.

You can’t wait for that to happen can you?  ;)

I would love to see his boneheadness cost him some money, because that may be the only thing that teaches him a lesson.
TP Roy. I would nip this in the bud before he turns 21 in October.  Can we fine him yet though?

Also, hope RW3 finds the right living situation. His money is not like the guys in the lottery. Best case scenario he rooms w/ Semi and starts carrying the bible around with him everywhere.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Tr1boy on July 01, 2018, 06:15:22 PM
Maybe he is one of those...

oh flight is at 3?

I will leave my home at 2pm....

misses flight...

not smart
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: celticinorlando on July 01, 2018, 06:15:25 PM
Disappointing to say the least
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Tr1boy on July 01, 2018, 06:18:14 PM
the thing I dislike the most is that he talks about working hard, ability to work hard....   time to get my sheet together

yet another blunder


I think what Danny should do is wait until the last sec possible , before signing him.   Another mistake and then try to trade him for a bag of peanuts, if anybody will even take him
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: Scintan on July 01, 2018, 06:18:43 PM
Might want to change the thread title to "Robert Williams and the makings of K.C. Masterpiece", because this kid's going to get BBQ'd if these incidents don't stop, and soon.
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on July 01, 2018, 06:19:44 PM
http://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1013537987492302848

Yeah, not the greatest start to Williams’ Celtics career...

Lol.  He's very young.

I mean... He's 20. How old do you have to be to be on time?

I meant he's young developmentally.  Pretty immature.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Tr1boy on July 01, 2018, 06:19:45 PM
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Can’t make this stuff up: Celtics say rookie first-round pick Robert Williams, who was introduced here Friday, missed his flight back to Boston and was not present for the start of summer league practice today. Williams already overslept an introductory conference call.

LOL!
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: csfansince60s on July 01, 2018, 06:20:06 PM
So when will the Robert Williams is a bust threads start?

When he spends the entire season in Stevens' dog house and gets no minutes his rookie season.

Or, when he goes to Europe after the team refuses to offer the 120% rookie scale.

You can’t wait for that to happen can you?  ;)

I would love to see his boneheadness cost him some money, because that may be the only thing that teaches him a lesson.




It already has.

The difference between lottery$$$ and #27 $$$$.

That’s gotta be substantial.

The other way to look at it from our perspective is that if anyone can get the boneheadedness out of him, we can, and that but for his boneheadedness, we never get him at 27.

Quite the dual edged sword, huh?
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: Tr1boy on July 01, 2018, 06:22:28 PM
http://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1013537987492302848

Yeah, not the greatest start to Williams’ Celtics career...

Lol.  He's very young.

and?

he needed to get his act together 5 years ago

everyone seems like they have been really nice to him so far

its time somebody pulls him aside....and give him a stern lecture and also a warning. The Celtics will drop him without shedding a tear
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Tr1boy on July 01, 2018, 06:23:51 PM
So when will the Robert Williams is a bust threads start?

When he spends the entire season in Stevens' dog house and gets no minutes his rookie season.

Or, when he goes to Europe after the team refuses to offer the 120% rookie scale.

You can’t wait for that to happen can you?  ;)

I would love to see his boneheadness cost him some money, because that may be the only thing that teaches him a lesson.

It already has.

The difference between lottery$$$ and #27 $$$$.

That’s gotta be substantial.

The other way to look at it from our perspective is that if anyone can get the boneheadedness out of him, we can and that but for his boneheadedness, we never get him at 27.

Quite the dual edged sword, huh?

you solved the matrix
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Future Celtics Owner on July 01, 2018, 06:26:00 PM
The Celts should have drafted Spellman

This guy is already sounding worse than Fab Melo

Can you imagine.....  Vet:  Robert , make sure you bring coffee for the vets tomorrow. here is the order....

waiting...waiting
LOL the vets will def destroy him if he messes rookie duties up.
IMO he was the right pick and we were lucky he fell. He hasn't been around our guys at all yet and we have to give them the chance to give him the riot act and the very rude awakening of our culture. Maybe he fits right in and buys into everything.

Like the 2008 team we have guys that will actually fight him to benefit the team/ help RW3. ....instead of what other teams do and go to the media w/ crap insults and diss tracks.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: CelticSooner on July 01, 2018, 06:30:24 PM
May as well name this the Bob Williams saga because it looks like this thing is just getting started. If he blows this woof
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on July 01, 2018, 06:40:41 PM
Wish Perk was still here to handle such matters.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: otherdave on July 01, 2018, 06:42:00 PM
Why did he even have a flight to catch? He was just in Boston a couple of days ago getting officially introduced. Did he fly back home after the introduction?
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Tr1boy on July 01, 2018, 06:44:13 PM
Why did he even have a flight to catch? He was just in Boston a couple of days ago getting officially introduced. Did he fly back home after the introduction?

sounds like it

this guy should not be allowed to be alone

pair him up with a roommate moving forward.  And a guy who won't lie for him in case he wants to sneak out or something
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: manl_lui on July 01, 2018, 06:44:58 PM
Why did he even have a flight to catch? He was just in Boston a couple of days ago getting officially introduced. Did he fly back home after the introduction?

sounds like it

this guy should not be allowed to be alone

pair him up with a roommate moving forward.  And a guy who won't lie for him in case he wants to sneak out or something

someone like Smart, Horford, Brown should be good role models for him
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Emmette Bryant on July 01, 2018, 06:45:25 PM
Once he gets to Boston they can get him a babysitter.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: tstorey_97 on July 01, 2018, 06:45:52 PM
Whether he is responsible or not, have you guys looked at the roster?

From what I can see, the only thing he's going to need to be on time for is the game at the Portland Expo Building....it was built in 1915 for a cost of $80,000. (There's an inflation exercise for ya).

Theis will get the minutes behind Baynes or the other way around. Williams needs to light it up to even get garbage minutes this coming season.  He is playing behind a guy nicknamed Dancing bear who averaged 7 minutes last year...and that sounds like a lot.

Ainge was acting like he was still playing for the Blue Jays with this pick..."swinging for the fences."

(I still can't wait to see him play in Summer League...there are plenty of flights to Vegas each day so odds are good he'll make it.)

 
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: hwangjini_1 on July 01, 2018, 06:47:24 PM
2x SEC Defensive Player of the Year....can't be too lazy.
it may be more a case of being immature than lazy. he has talent, let's see whether he can grow the maturity to use it well in the nba.

not time to panic yet. a long time to go and watch him grow...we hope.  ;D
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on July 01, 2018, 06:48:59 PM
I don't love this.

That said, I'm holding onto my judgment right now. We don't know why.

He sounds like an immature kid. That annoys me as a fan, particularly if it means I don't get to watch him in summer league.

Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: bdm860 on July 01, 2018, 06:50:32 PM
Some personal anecdotes on missing flights and "time management"

I love my wife.  So far she's had a very successful career, an executive at a company you all have heard of.  Works extremely hard, works all the time, gets the job done, and gets results.  Really I don't know how she does it.

But she does not understand the time it takes to get from Point A to Point B to save her life.  She's missed flights, she's missed meetings, she's missed engagements, if it has a specific start time, my wife has probably missed it.  She just can't handle time.  A couple of examples:

Movie starts at 7pm, movie theater is 15 minutes away, suggesting we leave anytime before 6:40 is ridiculous to her.  It just doesn't compute with her that 15 minutes away is from our parking lot to the movie theater parking lot.  It will take us 2 minutes to walk from our apartment to our car, 15 minutes to drive to the theater, 2-3 minutes to park and walk into the theater, 5-15 minutes to get tickets and snacks, she may want to use the bathroom before the movie starts, and then 2 minutes to get from the lobby to our seats.

Same thing going the airport.  She only calculates parking lot to parking lot.  Doesn't calculate if we need to get gas first, doesn't calculate that we have to park the car, take a shuttle, check bags, go through security lines, it might be a 20 minute walk to our gate, etc.  Doesn't calculate in rush hour traffic, or the possibility of long security lines.  Plane leaves at 7 doesn't mean we get there and board at 7, it means we board at 6:30, which means we should be at the airport by 6 at the latest.

I love my wife.  An extremely talented and hard worker.  She just struggles with the concept of time.  And I know others like this too.

She's gotten better over the years due to me "constantly nagging her" about it, but she struggles with it, still fails to account for things she should be aware of (do you need gas, is it rush hour, is it easy to find parking).  Gotten better, but she still struggles.


All that to say, there's hope for Robert Williams.  You can be a very talented hard worker with your head on straight, and just suck at time management, like my wife.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: SparzWizard on July 01, 2018, 06:51:02 PM
There you go, your pick #27!

Sounds worse than Jared Sullinger demanding him to lose his weight
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Chief Macho on July 01, 2018, 06:53:02 PM
Seems like he doesn’t love basketball.  That said, he is 21, and I would have blown it too at that age.  That is why the NBA is so hard.  Gotta grow up real fast.  Wouldnt doubt uses that codeine drink.  Purple drank. 
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: perks-a-beast on July 01, 2018, 06:58:15 PM
this is not good. I'm not the most responsible person in the world but if you waive millions of dollars in my face i'm showing up at least a half hour early wherever you want me to be. Imagine if some team took a chance on him in the lottery and he pulled this crap..
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: footey on July 01, 2018, 07:01:18 PM
Reminds me of Gerald Green’s rookie start. Didn’t he miss a flight?
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Kuberski33 on July 01, 2018, 07:02:04 PM
Guessing this is why he was available at #27.  If this guy becomes a distraction he'll either be stuffed in Portland or shipped out quickly. 
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Kuberski33 on July 01, 2018, 07:03:34 PM
this is not good. I'm not the most responsible person in the world but if you waive millions of dollars in my face i'm showing up at least a half hour early wherever you want me to be. Imagine if some team took a chance on him in the lottery and he pulled this crap..
On the other hand look at the number of big buck lottery winners who go broke.  Some people are just incapable of helping themselves - hopefully he's not one of them.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Alleyoopster on July 01, 2018, 07:03:58 PM
I don't love this.

That said, I'm holding onto my judgment right now. We don't know why.

He sounds like an immature kid. That annoys me as a fan, particularly if it means I don't get to watch him in summer league.

IF he plays like Dennis Rodman...let him be as immature as he wants to be.  :D
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: jambr380 on July 01, 2018, 07:13:02 PM
Nice post bdm. Hopefully this puts things into a little bit of perspective here for some people. The torches and pitchforks are already out.

The dude was just drafted. Until I see this guy being lazy on the court, I am going to remain optimistic. He was the 27th pick (and this probably bummed him out). He is going to be part of an amazing organization and he will have every opportunity to succeed. And if he doesn’t, well, he isn’t supposed to because he was the 28th pick.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: detour on July 01, 2018, 07:14:55 PM
It could be because of bad character, bad sleeping habits, broken alarm, extreme traffic etc. Too many possible reasons, and it's oo early to pass judgment. That being said, definitely not a good look.
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: spikelovetheCelts on July 01, 2018, 07:18:08 PM
http://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1013537987492302848

Yeah, not the greatest start to Williams’ Celtics career...

Lol.  He's very young.

and?

he needed to get his act together 5 years ago

everyone seems like they have been really nice to him so far

its time somebody pulls him aside....and give him a stern lecture and also a warning. The Celtics will drop him without shedding a tear
Baynes and Theiss are ahead him. Strike 1 needs to be told to him and remind him he already missed a call. Remind him he has a chance to be the A very wealthy young man if he shows up on time and works hard.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Banner18now! on July 01, 2018, 07:18:11 PM
Can't blame him so far he is living up to his reputation. This is why he dropped. If he had an incredible work habit and was engaged at all times he probably would have been a lottery pick. If Brad can get him to play to his potential and keep him engaged that would be another great accomplishment and a steal in the draft.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: CelticsElite on July 01, 2018, 07:22:40 PM
I guess we need to see if he improves over time. Have to give him a chance to fix this
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Eddie20 on July 01, 2018, 07:29:53 PM
So when will the Robert Williams is a bust threads start?

When he spends the entire season in Stevens' dog house and gets no minutes his rookie season.

Or, when he goes to Europe after the team refuses to offer the 120% rookie scale.

You can’t wait for that to happen can you?  ;)

I would love to see his boneheadness cost him some money, because that may be the only thing that teaches him a lesson.

You could see it going that route. Another thing to consider is let's suppose he does live up to his potential, is there a worse guy on the roster you would be comfortable giving big money too?
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: libermaniac on July 01, 2018, 07:35:47 PM
Some personal anecdotes on missing flights and "time management"

I love my wife.  So far she's had a very successful career, an executive at a company you all have heard of.  Works extremely hard, works all the time, gets the job done, and gets results.  Really I don't know how she does it.

But she does not understand the time it takes to get from Point A to Point B to save her life.  She's missed flights, she's missed meetings, she's missed engagements, if it has a specific start time, my wife has probably missed it.  She just can't handle time.  A couple of examples:

Movie starts at 7pm, movie theater is 15 minutes away, suggesting we leave anytime before 6:40 is ridiculous to her.  It just doesn't compute with her that 15 minutes away is from our parking lot to the movie theater parking lot.  It will take us 2 minutes to walk from our apartment to our car, 15 minutes to drive to the theater, 2-3 minutes to park and walk into the theater, 5-15 minutes to get tickets and snacks, she may want to use the bathroom before the movie starts, and then 2 minutes to get from the lobby to our seats.

Same thing going the airport.  She only calculates parking lot to parking lot.  Doesn't calculate if we need to get gas first, doesn't calculate that we have to park the car, take a shuttle, check bags, go through security lines, it might be a 20 minute walk to our gate, etc.  Doesn't calculate in rush hour traffic, or the possibility of long security lines.  Plane leaves at 7 doesn't mean we get there and board at 7, it means we board at 6:30, which means we should be at the airport by 6 at the latest.

I love my wife.  An extremely talented and hard worker.  She just struggles with the concept of time.  And I know others like this too.

She's gotten better over the years due to me "constantly nagging her" about it, but she struggles with it, still fails to account for things she should be aware of (do you need gas, is it rush hour, is it easy to find parking).  Gotten better, but she still struggles.


All that to say, there's hope for Robert Williams.  You can be a very talented hard worker with your head on straight, and just suck at time management, like my wife.
Wait. What’s your wife’s name? You just described mine.  :o ;)
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: BringToughnessBack on July 01, 2018, 07:36:47 PM
Everyone needs to step away from the ledge! Lol- If the worst thing he does in life is miss a flight, call me not concerned

We dont know the reason and even if he overslept, got caught in traffic , was sick or with family, that can be corrected going forward- It is surely not the end of the world- I have known brilliant people in life who couldnt be on time to save their lives even for a wedding! 😁



Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: CelticsElite on July 01, 2018, 07:38:03 PM
the problem are his habits. He has bad habits, hence its a habitual problem. These type of problems can't be fixed overnight. He will need time.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: SHAQATTACK on July 01, 2018, 07:38:49 PM
So when will the Robert Williams is a bust threads start?

Now!
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: CelticsElite on July 01, 2018, 07:39:16 PM
Everyone needs to step away from the ledge! Lol- If the worst thing he does in life is miss a flight, call me not concerned

We dont know the reason and even if he overslept, got caught in traffic , was sick or with family, that can be corrected going forward- It is surely not the end of the world- I have known brilliant people in life who couldnt be on time to save their lives even for a wedding! 😁
true but he committed to flying back home 2 days before. Kind of a poorly planned decision
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Roy H. on July 01, 2018, 07:43:06 PM
I hope Horford or Baynes has a spare room to rent. This dude needs a mentor.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Androslav on July 01, 2018, 07:43:42 PM
Robert "Flight" Williams
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: CelticsElite on July 01, 2018, 07:44:47 PM
I hope Horford or Baynes has a spare room to rent. This dude needs a mentor.
any way we can hire KG to be his part time roommate? I'd pay money to see KG wake this kid up
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: tenn_smoothie on July 01, 2018, 07:45:13 PM
@AdamHimmelsbach

No details yet, but presumably that's another stupid move by the rook.

This happened today ?  He missed the first practice for summer league that started today ?  What flight - I thought he was already in Boston after his press conference ?

Please provide more info .......
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Beat LA on July 01, 2018, 07:45:26 PM
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Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Roy H. on July 01, 2018, 07:48:30 PM
@AdamHimmelsbach

No details yet, but presumably that's another stupid move by the rook.

This happened today ?  He missed the first practice for summer league that started today? What flight - I thought he was already in Boston after his press conference ?

Please provide more info .......

He was in Boston Friday, went back home, and missed his return flight to Boston today.

Why, you ask, didn’t he stay overnight in Boston, maybe putting in some work like Tatum and trying to make a positive impression? Good question.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: CelticsElite on July 01, 2018, 07:50:45 PM
@AdamHimmelsbach

No details yet, but presumably that's another stupid move by the rook.

This happened today ?  He missed the first practice for summer league that started today ?  What flight - I thought he was already in Boston after his press conference ?

Please provide more info .......
he decided it was a good idea to fly back home between Friday and today  for who know why,
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: tenn_smoothie on July 01, 2018, 07:53:35 PM
Wish Perk was still here to handle such matters.

Sorry tarheels, the same guy who drafted this idiot traded Perk away a few years back for a finesse forward in a deal that may have cost us #18.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: rondofan1255 on July 01, 2018, 07:54:15 PM
Bad sign.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Big333223 on July 01, 2018, 07:57:41 PM
Sounds like immaturity. Not good but he's going to be in a pretty good system this year. Either he'll grow up or he won't. Hopefully he does.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Jiri Welsch on July 01, 2018, 07:57:52 PM
This probably earns him some time in the D League, to learn how to be a pro.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: saltlover on July 01, 2018, 08:00:16 PM
His agent needs to hire someone to get him through the summer.
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: Big333223 on July 01, 2018, 08:00:56 PM
http://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1013537987492302848

Yeah, not the greatest start to Williams’ Celtics career...

Lol.  He's very young.

I mean... He's 20. How old do you have to be to be on time?

I turned 20 not so long ago. So hopefully not for another few years at the minimum  :P  :laugh:

I once heard there are 3 things that count: Be good, be likable, and be on time. But you only have to be 2 of the 3. If you're good enough and on time, you can be as big of a jerk as you want. If people like you and you'e on time, you can get by without being very good.

I hope you're good and charming.  ;D
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Beat LA on July 01, 2018, 08:13:20 PM
He reminds me of Javale McGee.  Incredible athlete but immature, and can't get out of his own way.

Is it possible to make Shaqtin' A Fool before the season starts? :o ::)
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: CelticsElite on July 01, 2018, 08:25:11 PM
How does Maine work? I'm guessing they catch a bus from Boston to Portland in the morning since its a 2 hour drive

Can't wait to hear how when he misses the bus
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: JHTruth on July 01, 2018, 08:25:33 PM
Meh flights get missed all the time. I mean I was a day late to Belize because the airline screwed up. Or maybe he couldn't get through security. Who knows?  ;D

More concerned that he went all the way home for the weekend.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Forza Juventus on July 01, 2018, 08:28:00 PM
Not a big deal in the grand scheme of things but it's definitely not a good look.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: footey on July 01, 2018, 08:34:39 PM
Meh flights get missed all the time. I mean I was a day late to Belize because the airline screwed up. Or maybe he couldn't get through security. Who knows?  ;D

More concerned that he went all the way home for the weekend.

Yeah that was weird.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Beat LA on July 01, 2018, 08:41:47 PM
He probably partied all night and couldn't wake up

Irresponsible
He turns 21 in October......
Not a reliable source but I heard he parties a lot. No way to prove it but ppl think he was super hungover for his conference call. I don't want to make a big deal about it bc I was that age but it becomes a problem when it effects basketball workouts/meetings/activities/practices/ and games.

I know that a good amount of our late 1st and 2nd rounders get townhouses together or next to each other close to practice facility. Horford will be a good mentor and work with him....but he's not going to adopt RW3 and have him live with his family lol. Semi would be an excellent roommate/adjoining townhouse.

Sigh. TP for the rather...sobering ;) ::) ;D *groan* information.

Still, at least he evidently found the time to change his hairdo between the night of the draft party at Buffalo Wild Wings and the introductory press conference because priorities ::). #TheNextJamesYoung *facepalm*
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: IDreamCeltics on July 01, 2018, 08:48:29 PM
He probably partied all night and couldn't wake up

Irresponsible
He turns 21 in October......
Not a reliable source but I heard he parties a lot. No way to prove it but ppl think he was super hungover for his conference call. I don't want to make a big deal about it bc I was that age but it becomes a problem when it effects basketball workouts/meetings/activities/practices/ and games.

I know that a good amount of our late 1st and 2nd rounders get townhouses together or next to each other close to practice facility. Horford will be a good mentor and work with him....but he's not going to adopt RW3 and have him live with his family lol. Semi would be an excellent roommate/adjoining townhouse.

Sigh. TP for the rather...sobering ;) ::) ;D *groan* information.

Still, at least he evidently found the time to change his hairdo between the night of the draft party at Buffalo Wild Wings and the introductory press conference because priorities ::). #TheNextJamesYoung *facepalm*


Might as well just keep that plane in the air allllll the way to Portland.  That's where he'll be staying for the rest of the year.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: JHTruth on July 01, 2018, 08:52:59 PM
He probably partied all night and couldn't wake up

Irresponsible
He turns 21 in October......
Not a reliable source but I heard he parties a lot. No way to prove it but ppl think he was super hungover for his conference call. I don't want to make a big deal about it bc I was that age but it becomes a problem when it effects basketball workouts/meetings/activities/practices/ and games.

I know that a good amount of our late 1st and 2nd rounders get townhouses together or next to each other close to practice facility. Horford will be a good mentor and work with him....but he's not going to adopt RW3 and have him live with his family lol. Semi would be an excellent roommate/adjoining townhouse.

Sigh. TP for the rather...sobering ;) ::) ;D *groan* information.

Still, at least he evidently found the time to change his hairdo between the night of the draft party at Buffalo Wild Wings and the introductory press conference because priorities ::). #TheNextJamesYoung *facepalm*


Might as well just keep that plane in the air allllll the way to Portland.  That's where he'll be staying for the rest of the year.

We don't know that. If he performs in SL and looks decent in preseason skying for dunks, this will all be forgotten. No Celtic has been more of a bonehead than Smart, and most people here love the guy.

Play well and this will be nothing in a month..
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Chris22 on July 01, 2018, 09:16:07 PM
He reminds me of Javale McGee.  Incredible athlete but immature, and can't get out of his own way.

Javale played really well against Cleveland and won a championship, and we did not want him.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: SHAQATTACK on July 01, 2018, 09:21:09 PM
waiting on that third strike now....

Kid is positioning himself to land back in Oil City sweeping floors for minimum wage.


LOW LOW IQ
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Chris22 on July 01, 2018, 09:21:43 PM
I don't love this.

That said, I'm holding onto my judgment right now. We don't know why.

He sounds like an immature kid. That annoys me as a fan, particularly if it means I don't get to watch him in summer league.

IF he plays like Dennis Rodman...let him be as immature as he wants to be.  :D

This.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: The One on July 01, 2018, 09:24:17 PM
Some personal anecdotes on missing flights and "time management"

I love my wife.  So far she's had a very successful career, an executive at a company you all have heard of.  Works extremely hard, works all the time, gets the job done, and gets results.  Really I don't know how she does it.

But she does not understand the time it takes to get from Point A to Point B to save her life.  She's missed flights, she's missed meetings, she's missed engagements, if it has a specific start time, my wife has probably missed it.  She just can't handle time.  A couple of examples:

Movie starts at 7pm, movie theater is 15 minutes away, suggesting we leave anytime before 6:40 is ridiculous to her.  It just doesn't compute with her that 15 minutes away is from our parking lot to the movie theater parking lot.  It will take us 2 minutes to walk from our apartment to our car, 15 minutes to drive to the theater, 2-3 minutes to park and walk into the theater, 5-15 minutes to get tickets and snacks, she may want to use the bathroom before the movie starts, and then 2 minutes to get from the lobby to our seats.

Same thing going the airport.  She only calculates parking lot to parking lot.  Doesn't calculate if we need to get gas first, doesn't calculate that we have to park the car, take a shuttle, check bags, go through security lines, it might be a 20 minute walk to our gate, etc.  Doesn't calculate in rush hour traffic, or the possibility of long security lines.  Plane leaves at 7 doesn't mean we get there and board at 7, it means we board at 6:30, which means we should be at the airport by 6 at the latest.

I love my wife.  An extremely talented and hard worker.  She just struggles with the concept of time.  And I know others like this too.

She's gotten better over the years due to me "constantly nagging her" about it, but she struggles with it, still fails to account for things she should be aware of (do you need gas, is it rush hour, is it easy to find parking).  Gotten better, but she still struggles.


All that to say, there's hope for Robert Williams.  You can be a very talented hard worker with your head on straight, and just suck at time management, like my wife.

This was a dope post.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: mr. dee on July 01, 2018, 09:34:57 PM
He reminds me of Javale McGee.  Incredible athlete but immature, and can't get out of his own way.

Javale played really well against Cleveland and won a championship, and we did not want him.

Danny did wanted him. Until Javale and his agent screwed him.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: CelticsElite on July 01, 2018, 09:41:17 PM
This news All over espn even with free agency craziness.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Eja117 on July 01, 2018, 09:43:54 PM
I'd test him for drugs the second he gets to the team and if it's positive I'd tell him to drive up to Maine where he will be remaining with the Red Claws till at least the All Star break. This cycle has to end immediately.

If he doesn't test positive make him carry the bags and fetch everyone water during all summer league.

In practice he wears a yellow jersey till he earns a green one

Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Chris22 on July 01, 2018, 09:44:20 PM
He reminds me of Javale McGee.  Incredible athlete but immature, and can't get out of his own way.

Javale played really well against Cleveland and won a championship, and we did not want him.

Danny did wanted him. Until Javale and his agent screwed him.

How so?
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on July 01, 2018, 09:46:09 PM
I'd test him for drugs the second he gets to the team and if it's positive I'd tell him to drive up to Maine where he will be remaining with the Red Claws till at least the All Star break. This cycle has to end immediately.

If he doesn't test positive make him carry the bags and fetch everyone water during all summer league.

In practice he wears a yellow jersey till he earns a green one

Quite a leap from being late to a flight to drugs. Let's not assume the worst possible thing here.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: mr. dee on July 01, 2018, 09:46:40 PM
He reminds me of Javale McGee.  Incredible athlete but immature, and can't get out of his own way.

Javale played really well against Cleveland and won a championship, and we did not want him.

Danny did wanted him. Until Javale and his agent screwed him.

How so?

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/12425504/javale-mcgee-deal-boston-celtics

He was almost signed but backed out due to contract dispute.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Eja117 on July 01, 2018, 09:50:11 PM
I'd test him for drugs the second he gets to the team and if it's positive I'd tell him to drive up to Maine where he will be remaining with the Red Claws till at least the All Star break. This cycle has to end immediately.

If he doesn't test positive make him carry the bags and fetch everyone water during all summer league.

In practice he wears a yellow jersey till he earns a green one

Quite a leap from being late to a flight to drugs. Let's not assume the worst possible thing here.
Well what is the good reason for missing the flight?  I mean how much are we going to baby this guy and shrug our shoulders? Were you late for work your first day? How about your 2nd day? There need to be immediate clear consequences. Personally I think he was gonna be on the flight but then he got high. Na na na na na na. I'd like to know why.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Big333223 on July 01, 2018, 09:51:41 PM
I'd test him for drugs the second he gets to the team and if it's positive I'd tell him to drive up to Maine where he will be remaining with the Red Claws till at least the All Star break. This cycle has to end immediately.

If he doesn't test positive make him carry the bags and fetch everyone water during all summer league.

In practice he wears a yellow jersey till he earns a green one

Quite a leap from being late to a flight to drugs. Let's not assume the worst possible thing here.
Well what is the good reason for missing the flight?  I mean how much are we going to baby this guy and shrug our shoulders? Were you late for work your first day? How about your 2nd day? There need to be immediate clear consequences. Personally I think he was gonna be on the flight but then he got high. Na na na na na na. I'd like to know why.

Either we're babying him or he's on drugs. There is no middle ground.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on July 01, 2018, 09:52:35 PM
I'd test him for drugs the second he gets to the team and if it's positive I'd tell him to drive up to Maine where he will be remaining with the Red Claws till at least the All Star break. This cycle has to end immediately.

If he doesn't test positive make him carry the bags and fetch everyone water during all summer league.

In practice he wears a yellow jersey till he earns a green one

Quite a leap from being late to a flight to drugs. Let's not assume the worst possible thing here.
Well what is the good reason for missing the flight?  I mean how much are we going to baby this guy and shrug our shoulders? Were you late for work your first day? How about your 2nd day? There need to be immediate clear consequences. Personally I think he was gonna be on the flight but then he got high. Na na na na na na. I'd like to know why.

I'm sure they will handle the situation. I'm just saying that surprising him with a drug test is insulting, aggressive, and rude. It's not leading or developing him. It's attacking him.

I agree there should be firm consequences.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Vermont Green on July 01, 2018, 09:54:39 PM
Definitely warning signs but I am going to hang in with him and assume this is all immaturity.  The Celtics need to be smart with this and get him a mentor or something to help him.  It is a big leap from College to NBA.  I don't have a lot to go on but I have a feeling this is not a character flaw, just some rookie mistakes.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: bellerephon on July 01, 2018, 09:56:15 PM
They may not be able to drug test him, that sort of stuff is likely spelled out in the contract. It's also silly at this point. Yes, it is a bad thing to miss the flight. Yes, the team should take note and institute a plan to teach him how to be a pro. No they should not assume he's a lost cause or go overboard with ridiculous restrictions. He's a kid. Immature, yes, but hardly unusual for a kid his age. They can't all be Tatum. Let's see what happens during summer league, training camp, and the regular season before we pass judgement.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Beat LA on July 01, 2018, 09:57:55 PM
I'd test him for drugs the second he gets to the team and if it's positive I'd tell him to drive up to Maine where he will be remaining with the Red Claws till at least the All Star break. This cycle has to end immediately.

If he doesn't test positive make him carry the bags and fetch everyone water during all summer league.

In practice he wears a yellow jersey till he earns a green one

Quite a leap from being late to a flight to drugs. Let's not assume the worst possible thing here.
Well what is the good reason for missing the flight?  I mean how much are we going to baby this guy and shrug our shoulders? Were you late for work your first day? How about your 2nd day? There need to be immediate clear consequences. Personally I think he was gonna be on the flight but then he got high. Na na na na na na. I'd like to know why.

Either we're babying him or he's on drugs. There is no middle ground.

LOL, TPs for the both of you ;D.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: JHTruth on July 01, 2018, 09:59:24 PM
waiting on that third strike now....

Kid is positioning himself to land back in Oil City sweeping floors for minimum wage.


LOW LOW IQ

Why because he's a southern black kid? You know nothing about the guy lol
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: JHTruth on July 01, 2018, 10:00:59 PM
This news All over espn even with free agency craziness.

Have to understand how much Celtic/Ainge hate there is out there in the media. Theyre dying for this kid to fail..
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: coco on July 01, 2018, 10:01:41 PM
Keep him away from our young guys.  I don’t want Williams to influence any of our young players.

Heck, if it was me, I will not let him inside the facilities,  cut our losses now.

We are the favorite to win the East, don’t want any distraction specially from someone who has not accomplished anything yet....not worth it
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: Eddie20 on July 01, 2018, 10:01:47 PM
This must be an abstract painting
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: JHTruth on July 01, 2018, 10:03:03 PM
Keep him away from our young guys.  I don’t want Williams to influence any of our young players.

Heck, if it was me, I will not let him inside the facilities,  cut our losses now.

We are the favorite to win the East, don’t want any distraction specially from someone who has not accomplished anything yet....not worth it

Good lord, its not like he killed someone. Lol. Settle down..
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: Phantom255x on July 01, 2018, 10:03:25 PM
http://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1013537987492302848

Yeah, not the greatest start to Williams’ Celtics career...

Lol.  He's very young.

I mean... He's 20. How old do you have to be to be on time?

I turned 20 not so long ago. So hopefully not for another few years at the minimum  :P  :laugh:

I once heard there are 3 things that count: Be good, be likable, and be on time. But you only have to be 2 of the 3. If you're good enough and on time, you can be as big of a jerk as you want. If people like you and you'e on time, you can get by without being very good.

I hope you're good and charming.  ;D

Absolutely!  :P

I mean I was joking of course, but yeah I'm on time for a lot of things (except large lectures sometimes LOL, but that's normal these days if we're being honest).
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: cman88 on July 01, 2018, 10:03:43 PM
not a good start. Appearance is everything and so far he is showing that his character concerns might be legit.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: footey on July 01, 2018, 10:03:57 PM
@AdamHimmelsbach

No details yet, but presumably that's another stupid move by the rook.

This happened today ?  He missed the first practice for summer league that started today? What flight - I thought he was already in Boston after his press conference ?

Please provide more info .......

He was in Boston Friday, went back home, and missed his return flight to Boston today.

Why, you ask, didn’t he stay overnight in Boston, maybe putting in some work like Tatum and trying to make a positive impression? Good question.

Indeed.

I also would have thought the Celtics would have had someone monitoring him on where he goes from the get go. I’m not excusing him. Just hope we are pro active in creating structure for a kid who obviously lacks in it.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: JHTruth on July 01, 2018, 10:04:24 PM
I'd test him for drugs the second he gets to the team and if it's positive I'd tell him to drive up to Maine where he will be remaining with the Red Claws till at least the All Star break. This cycle has to end immediately.

If he doesn't test positive make him carry the bags and fetch everyone water during all summer league.

In practice he wears a yellow jersey till he earns a green one

Quite a leap from being late to a flight to drugs. Let's not assume the worst possible thing here.
Well what is the good reason for missing the flight?  I mean how much are we going to baby this guy and shrug our shoulders? Were you late for work your first day? How about your 2nd day? There need to be immediate clear consequences. Personally I think he was gonna be on the flight but then he got high. Na na na na na na. I'd like to know why.

Lol imagine telling your boss you were going to miss work because you broke your hand punching a wall.. these guys arent playing by the same rules we are
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: footey on July 01, 2018, 10:05:51 PM
http://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1013537987492302848

Yeah, not the greatest start to Williams’ Celtics career...

Lol.  He's very young.

and?

he needed to get his act together 5 years ago

everyone seems like they have been really nice to him so far

its time somebody pulls him aside....and give him a stern lecture and also a warning. The Celtics will drop him without shedding a tear

When he was 16?  Be real.
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: moiso on July 01, 2018, 10:12:05 PM
http://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1013537987492302848

Yeah, not the greatest start to Williams’ Celtics career...

Lol.  He's very young.

and?

he needed to get his act together 5 years ago

everyone seems like they have been really nice to him so far

its time somebody pulls him aside....and give him a stern lecture and also a warning. The Celtics will drop him without shedding a tear

When he was 16?  Be real.
Plenty of 16 year old's handle their responsibilities, and if Williams was one of them he wouldn't be screwing up now.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Eja117 on July 01, 2018, 10:12:17 PM
I'd test him for drugs the second he gets to the team and if it's positive I'd tell him to drive up to Maine where he will be remaining with the Red Claws till at least the All Star break. This cycle has to end immediately.

If he doesn't test positive make him carry the bags and fetch everyone water during all summer league.

In practice he wears a yellow jersey till he earns a green one

Quite a leap from being late to a flight to drugs. Let's not assume the worst possible thing here.
Well what is the good reason for missing the flight?  I mean how much are we going to baby this guy and shrug our shoulders? Were you late for work your first day? How about your 2nd day? There need to be immediate clear consequences. Personally I think he was gonna be on the flight but then he got high. Na na na na na na. I'd like to know why.

I'm sure they will handle the situation. I'm just saying that surprising him with a drug test is insulting, aggressive, and rude. It's not leading or developing him. It's attacking him.

I agree there should be firm consequences.
Well if he doesn't like it he can just cry and cry and cry and do some journaling and then go do some yoga. Then he can get to work on time drug free.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: JHTruth on July 01, 2018, 10:12:55 PM
I'd test him for drugs the second he gets to the team and if it's positive I'd tell him to drive up to Maine where he will be remaining with the Red Claws till at least the All Star break. This cycle has to end immediately.

If he doesn't test positive make him carry the bags and fetch everyone water during all summer league.

In practice he wears a yellow jersey till he earns a green one

Quite a leap from being late to a flight to drugs. Let's not assume the worst possible thing here.
Well what is the good reason for missing the flight?  I mean how much are we going to baby this guy and shrug our shoulders? Were you late for work your first day? How about your 2nd day? There need to be immediate clear consequences. Personally I think he was gonna be on the flight but then he got high. Na na na na na na. I'd like to know why.

I'm sure they will handle the situation. I'm just saying that surprising him with a drug test is insulting, aggressive, and rude. It's not leading or developing him. It's attacking him.

I agree there should be firm consequences.
Well if he doesn't like it he can just cry and cry and cry and do some journaling and then go do some yoga. Then he can get to work on time drug free.

What a weird response
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Eja117 on July 01, 2018, 10:14:03 PM
I'd test him for drugs the second he gets to the team and if it's positive I'd tell him to drive up to Maine where he will be remaining with the Red Claws till at least the All Star break. This cycle has to end immediately.

If he doesn't test positive make him carry the bags and fetch everyone water during all summer league.

In practice he wears a yellow jersey till he earns a green one

Quite a leap from being late to a flight to drugs. Let's not assume the worst possible thing here.
Well what is the good reason for missing the flight?  I mean how much are we going to baby this guy and shrug our shoulders? Were you late for work your first day? How about your 2nd day? There need to be immediate clear consequences. Personally I think he was gonna be on the flight but then he got high. Na na na na na na. I'd like to know why.

Either we're babying him or he's on drugs. There is no middle ground.
Not really any more. He slipped in the draft because of concerns. But that wasn't enough. He had to blow off his job a couple more times as well.  Time for him to start dealing with consequences. The consequences will go away as soon as he becomes a man.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: bellerephon on July 01, 2018, 10:15:10 PM
People are going off the deep end over this. He's immature and that is not ideal. It adds to the chances that he won't work out. It does not mean that he is doomed to fail or that the Celts need to treat him like he's on his last chance. He's just starting out. He's not starting out well, let's see how he does on the court since that's all we really care about (provided of course he does not get involved with something reprehensible, but so far there is no sign of that).
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on July 01, 2018, 10:16:37 PM
He'll get it together....not giving up on him.

You'd think this kid eats babies and breathes fire with some of the comments here, lol.

All it takes is a few blocks and some nice alley oops from either Kyrie or GH and we'll be singing his praises once again.

Sports Fandom - rarely rational.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Eja117 on July 01, 2018, 10:17:07 PM
Can you imagine Coach Belichick dealing with this?
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: bellerephon on July 01, 2018, 10:18:24 PM
http://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1013537987492302848

Yeah, not the greatest start to Williams’ Celtics career...

Lol.  He's very young.

and?

he needed to get his act together 5 years ago

everyone seems like they have been really nice to him so far

its time somebody pulls him aside....and give him a stern lecture and also a warning. The Celtics will drop him without shedding a tear

When he was 16?  Be real.
Plenty of 16 year old's handle their responsibilities, and if Williams was one of them he wouldn't be screwing up now.

True, and plenty of 20 somethings do not handle their responsibilities. Some of the responsible 16 year olds end up being screw-ups in their 20s, and some of the 20 something screw-ups get their act together and do great things. Let's give the Celts a chance to work with him and see if he responds. It's far to early to write him off at this point.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Eja117 on July 01, 2018, 10:18:27 PM
He'll get it together....not giving up on him.

You'd think this kid eats babies and breathes fire with some of the comments here, lol.

All it takes is a few blocks and some nice alley oops from either Kyrie or GH and we'll be singing his praises once again.

Sports Fandom - rarely rational.
Like Big Baby and Sully? 
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: jambr380 on July 01, 2018, 10:20:42 PM
Dude, people need to chill. We are talking about the #27 pick in the draft - if he actually makes it as a back-up rotation player, that will be considered a roaring success. If this had happened to Brown or Tatum, perhaps we should be a little more concerned, but as it stands, the guy slid because of possible character concerns (and medical questions).

I am still very happy with the draft choice, but don't expect much out of him his first year or two anyway on such a stacked team.

He'll get it together....not giving up on him.

You'd think this kid eats babies and breathes fire with some of the comments here, lol.

All it takes is a few blocks and some nice alley oops from either Kyrie or GH and we'll be singing his praises once again.

Sports Fandom - rarely rational.

Seriously, right?
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: moiso on July 01, 2018, 10:21:24 PM
I'm with eja117 in that I thought it was some kind of substance abuse when he missed the conference call and this episode reinforces my thoughts.  What else would cause the guy to not care about the responsibilities related to his new job?  It could also be the reason he hightailed it out of Boston and flew home for such a short time.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: JHTruth on July 01, 2018, 10:23:06 PM
He'll get it together....not giving up on him.

You'd think this kid eats babies and breathes fire with some of the comments here, lol.

All it takes is a few blocks and some nice alley oops from either Kyrie or GH and we'll be singing his praises once again.

Sports Fandom - rarely rational.

Exactly. It's partly so bad because we have no major moves in the can so this is all we have to bit..errr talk about
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: JHTruth on July 01, 2018, 10:24:38 PM
Can you imagine Coach Belichick dealing with this?

Well Belichick had a sociopathic murderer on his team so this would probably seem like small potatoes.. lol
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: bellerephon on July 01, 2018, 10:24:49 PM
I'm with eja117 in that I thought it was some kind of substance abuse when he missed the conference call and this episode reinforces my thoughts.  What else would cause the guy to not care about the responsibilities related to his new job?  It could also be the reason he hightailed it out of Boston and flew home for such a short time.

I'm not sure if you have experience working with young people, but trust me, this sort of thing is quite common. Yes drugs are a possibility. But so is ADHD, executive functioning issues, and simple lack of maturity. I'm not saying there's nothing going on, clearly there is an issue that needs to be addressed. But there are numerous possibilities.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Eja117 on July 01, 2018, 10:29:45 PM
Kinda funny all the excuse making for him going on. He's immature? Really? So out of all the players drafted, tons of them are his age or younger. Some of them are operating in a 2nd language. Are they missing their calls and flights? How about last year?

Come on. There's a difference between immature and dumb as rocks or uninterested in his job. It's pretty clear we're dealing with a unique case here. This is LiAngelo Ball level dumb we're dealing with. Gotta nip this in the bud immediately.

Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Eja117 on July 01, 2018, 10:30:33 PM
Can you imagine Coach Belichick dealing with this?

Well Belichick had a sociopathic murderer on his team so this would probably seem like small potatoes.. lol
But did he say stuff like "Well. This happens sometimes"?
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: MaxAMillion on July 01, 2018, 10:30:57 PM
LOL...so many posters were talking about Williams being in the rotation (some talked about him guarding Embid). There is a reason the guy was passed over. His motivation and maturity were rightfully questioned. The C's will be lucky if he ever contributes anything of significance.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Eja117 on July 01, 2018, 10:31:55 PM
I'm with eja117 in that I thought it was some kind of substance abuse when he missed the conference call and this episode reinforces my thoughts.  What else would cause the guy to not care about the responsibilities related to his new job?  It could also be the reason he hightailed it out of Boston and flew home for such a short time.

I'm not sure if you have experience working with young people, but trust me, this sort of thing is quite common. Yes drugs are a possibility. But so is ADHD, executive functioning issues, and simple lack of maturity. I'm not saying there's nothing going on, clearly there is an issue that needs to be addressed. But there are numerous possibilities.
Or it could be entitlement.  I agree it needs to be addressed and if it's just not going to work out we need to find out sooner, rather than later.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on July 01, 2018, 10:35:01 PM
Kinda funny all the excuse making for him going on. He's immature? Really? So out of all the players drafted, tons of them are his age or younger. Some of them are operating in a 2nd language. Are they missing their calls and flights? How about last year?

Come on. There's a difference between immature and dumb as rocks or uninterested in his job. It's pretty clear we're dealing with a unique case here. This is LiAngelo Ball level dumb we're dealing with. Gotta nip this in the bud immediately.

C'mon man, LOL...love your stuff on here Eja but this is no where near LiAngelo Ball - level...

We won't be hearing from Chinese officials or dealing with Pres. Trump trying to claim victory for bringing him home or anything like this, lol....

Dude missed his flight. Combine this with him being late and now we're ranking him with stealing over seas?

(https://i.imgur.com/SCSOpma.png)
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on July 01, 2018, 10:35:48 PM
Dude, people need to chill. We are talking about the #27 pick in the draft - if he actually makes it as a back-up rotation player, that will be considered a roaring success. If this had happened to Brown or Tatum, perhaps we should be a little more concerned, but as it stands, the guy slid because of possible character concerns (and medical questions).

I am still very happy with the draft choice, but don't expect much out of him his first year or two anyway on such a stacked team.

He'll get it together....not giving up on him.

You'd think this kid eats babies and breathes fire with some of the comments here, lol.

All it takes is a few blocks and some nice alley oops from either Kyrie or GH and we'll be singing his praises once again.

Sports Fandom - rarely rational.

Seriously, right?

WHOA WHOA WHOA NELLIE

we have a certain poster here whi is gloating about his PHYSICAL anilities blah blah blah basically saying baynes and theis aint crap compared to him BLAH BLHA BLAH. baynes and theis have contributed and proven reliable. this kid has not proven anything yet at the NBA level. it does not matter what talent he has. and he is off to  bad start.  so far this kid is not as good as the two i listed.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Eja117 on July 01, 2018, 10:37:22 PM
I feel that the repeated issues from Williams, knowing his issues have already cost him money, are starting to add up to one moment of idiocy from a younger person in a group. I suppose the consequences aren't as bad. However we're now sorta at the point where we're dealing with the mythical definition of insanity or something.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: cltc5 on July 01, 2018, 10:40:26 PM
Geez cut the kid a Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline.in break internet high and mighty  ::)
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Eja117 on July 01, 2018, 10:41:08 PM
Geez cut the kid a ****in break internet high and mighty  ::)
He doesn't get paid for breaks. Do your job.

Plus he's already been cut a break. How many breaks are we going to cut him? Should he have to make it to games or are my expectations just too tough for young people these days?
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Ogaju on July 01, 2018, 10:43:20 PM
another bad look... I told yall the missed conference call was a bad look.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: bellerephon on July 01, 2018, 10:44:03 PM
I'm with eja117 in that I thought it was some kind of substance abuse when he missed the conference call and this episode reinforces my thoughts.  What else would cause the guy to not care about the responsibilities related to his new job?  It could also be the reason he hightailed it out of Boston and flew home for such a short time.

I'm not sure if you have experience working with young people, but trust me, this sort of thing is quite common. Yes drugs are a possibility. But so is ADHD, executive functioning issues, and simple lack of maturity. I'm not saying there's nothing going on, clearly there is an issue that needs to be addressed. But there are numerous possibilities.
Or it could be entitlement.  I agree it needs to be addressed and if it's just not going to work out we need to find out sooner, rather than later.
Agreed, but still an issue that can be addressed. Maybe he will or maybe he won't, we will see. As long as he plays well and doesn't cross the line with his behavior (by that I mean reprehensible stuff, not minor stuff) it doesn't matter if he's a bit of a knucklehead.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Sophomore on July 01, 2018, 10:44:06 PM
LOL...so many posters were talking about Williams being in the rotation (some talked about him guarding Embid). There is a reason the guy was passed over. His motivation and maturity were rightfully questioned. The C's will be lucky if he ever contributes anything of significance.

I see that p.o.v., and it makes some sense. But to channel Danny, somehow the kid was SEC defensive player of the year twice. He somehow made trips with A and M. So what’s going on? Maybe he needs a redshirt year and a heck of a lot of counseling. Seems kind of self-destructive right now.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Ogaju on July 01, 2018, 10:44:48 PM
So when will the Robert Williams is a bust threads start?

You have to actually show up to be a bust, so far he his not even bust material.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: JHTruth on July 01, 2018, 10:57:25 PM
LOL...so many posters were talking about Williams being in the rotation (some talked about him guarding Embid). There is a reason the guy was passed over. His motivation and maturity were rightfully questioned. The C's will be lucky if he ever contributes anything of significance.

I see that p.o.v., and it makes some sense. But to channel Danny, somehow the kid was SEC defensive player of the year twice. He somehow made trips with A and M. So what’s going on? Maybe he needs a redshirt year and a heck of a lot of counseling. Seems kind of self-destructive right now.

Self-destructive is getting drunk and crashing your car into a pedestrian. Or overdosing on coke. Missing a flight is just lAme.

You guys are going waaaaaaay over overboard. Frankly im glad he stood up those media clowns at their butt kissing session



Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Bobshot on July 01, 2018, 10:58:05 PM
The Boston media loves to eat its own. Price of the Red Sox became a target when he picked on one of their own, who should never have been on a flight with the players after criticizing one of them on the air. 

Now, have they found a young Celtic to microscope?  It's all over twitter, and some of it isn't nice. A young kid from Texas misses a flight for a reason nobody knows, and we are supposed to make something of this?

Everybody has missed a flight for one reason or another, and some have even missed meetings because of it. Big deal.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on July 01, 2018, 10:59:20 PM
another bad look... I told yall the missed conference call was a bad look.

agreed and i am not liking this start at all.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: JHTruth on July 01, 2018, 10:59:49 PM
The Boston media loves to eat its own. Price of the Red Sox became a target when he picked on one of their own, who should never have been on a flight with the players after criticizing one of them on the air. 

Now, have they found a young Celtic to microscope?  It's all over twitter, and some of it isn't nice. A young kid from Texas misses a flight for a reason nobody knows, and we are supposed to make something of this?

Everybody has missed a flight for one reason or another, and some have even missed meetings because of it. Big deal.

I thought it was awesome he was late to kiss their rings. They are an awful bunch..
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on July 01, 2018, 11:02:05 PM
LOL...so many posters were talking about Williams being in the rotation (some talked about him guarding Embid). There is a reason the guy was passed over. His motivation and maturity were rightfully questioned. The C's will be lucky if he ever contributes anything of significance.

yeah some saying he will blow by baynes and theis. LAUGHABLE. those two SHOW UP and are reliable.
this dude may not even be on team in a couple years
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: hwangjini_1 on July 01, 2018, 11:03:29 PM
The Boston media loves to eat its own. Price of the Red Sox became a target when he picked on one of their own, who should never have been on a flight with the players after criticizing one of them on the air. 

Now, have they found a young Celtic to microscope?  It's all over twitter, and some of it isn't nice. A young kid from Texas misses a flight for a reason nobody knows, and we are supposed to make something of this?

Everybody has missed a flight for one reason or another, and some have even missed meetings because of it. Big deal.
if it were only this, you would have a point. but there was another incident earlier, yes? that is why this is a big deal. couple that with rumors about his personality prior to the draft and folks have a reason to be concerned...not reach any conclusions, but be concerned.

i wonder who the heck RW's agent is? he cant set up some sort of reminders for him?
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on July 01, 2018, 11:03:53 PM
MASTERPIECE?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

HE CANNOT HOLD A CANDLE TO THEIS OR BAYNES

THEY AT LEAST SHOW UP!
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Jiri Welsch on July 01, 2018, 11:04:27 PM
The Boston media loves to eat its own. Price of the Red Sox became a target when he picked on one of their own, who should never have been on a flight with the players after criticizing one of them on the air. 

Now, have they found a young Celtic to microscope?  It's all over twitter, and some of it isn't nice. A young kid from Texas misses a flight for a reason nobody knows, and we are supposed to make something of this?

Everybody has missed a flight for one reason or another, and some have even missed meetings because of it. Big deal.

1. Eck didn’t criticize someone. He said “yuck” when a rehab start was mentioned on the broadcast.

2. The “kid” has only had three obligations thus far as an employee. He’s been late to two of them.

3. It’s the dog days of summer in a sports-crazed town. This will definitely be mentioned.

I think based on his limited time here, the “kid” doesn’t deserve the benefit of the doubt. He has to earn it. The Celtics aren’t in the babysitting business.
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on July 01, 2018, 11:06:20 PM
This thread should be called the making of a season in the doghouse

yep. i learned how to set an alarm and be responsible in 4th fricking grade in boarding school!

This clown is not looking good at all and if he keeps it up his ass will be LONG GONE and will NOT FIT IN HERE
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on July 01, 2018, 11:07:59 PM
http://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1013537987492302848

Yeah, not the greatest start to Williams’ Celtics career...

Lol.  He's very young. 

so was i in 4th grade when i had to set alarms.

pathetic argument
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: cltc5 on July 01, 2018, 11:13:40 PM
Geez cut the kid a ****in break internet high and mighty  ::)
He doesn't get paid for breaks. Do your job.

Plus he's already been cut a break. How many breaks are we going to cut him? Should he have to make it to games or are my expectations just too tough for young people these days?

Are you his dad?  Get over it.  I’m sure someone will get in his ear and set him straight.  Disgusting how some of you jump all over someone for an indiscretion yet probably don’t hold yourselves to the same standard.  Hypocritical.  Let’s see how he turns out first before we freakin Throw him out
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Ogaju on July 01, 2018, 11:18:13 PM
The Boston media loves to eat its own. Price of the Red Sox became a target when he picked on one of their own, who should never have been on a flight with the players after criticizing one of them on the air. 

Now, have they found a young Celtic to microscope?  It's all over twitter, and some of it isn't nice. A young kid from Texas misses a flight for a reason nobody knows, and we are supposed to make something of this?

Everybody has missed a flight for one reason or another, and some have even missed meetings because of it. Big deal.
if it were only this, you would have a point. but there was another incident earlier, yes? that is why this is a big deal. couple that with rumors about his personality prior to the draft and folks have a reason to be concerned...not reach any conclusions, but be concerned.

i wonder who the heck RW's agent is? he cant set up some sort of reminders for him?

Maybe the agent he fired a couple of days before the draft was trying to reign him in, and that is why he made that bonehead move. Add firing his agent a couple of days to draft as another bonehead move on his plate.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Atzar on July 01, 2018, 11:18:13 PM
Media overreporting at its finest.  Some stuff doesn't need to be in the news.

As for Williams, once is a mistake but twice is a habit.  In college, you learn quickly which classes you need to attend religiously and which you can miss once in a while.  This isn't one you can miss.  He needs to figure that out quickly if he wants his coaches and teammates to trust him. 

Only one person who can fix his attitude.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Ogaju on July 01, 2018, 11:20:57 PM
Media overreporting at its finest.  Some stuff doesn't need to be in the news.

As for Williams, once is a mistake but twice is a habit.  In college, you learn quickly which classes you need to attend religiously and which you can miss once in a while.  This isn't one you can miss.  He needs to figure that out quickly if he wants his coaches and teammates to trust him. 

Only one person who can fix his attitude.

all you guys who say people/media are overreacting should answer the question ... why are entertainers/athletes paid so much money?
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Ogaju on July 01, 2018, 11:23:07 PM
Those that think immaturity is not a problem should look up an ex-NBA big man with initials BB.

I may give a TP to the first poster to come up with the player's name.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: MaxAMillion on July 01, 2018, 11:25:35 PM
LOL...so many posters were talking about Williams being in the rotation (some talked about him guarding Embid). There is a reason the guy was passed over. His motivation and maturity were rightfully questioned. The C's will be lucky if he ever contributes anything of significance.

I see that p.o.v., and it makes some sense. But to channel Danny, somehow the kid was SEC defensive player of the year twice. He somehow made trips with A and M. So what’s going on? Maybe he needs a redshirt year and a heck of a lot of counseling. Seems kind of self-destructive right now.

The kid also was suspended from the team in college and questioned in regards to his motivation. This is not a one time thing. This is a pattern of behavior. Fortunately the Celtics don't need him to be a factor next year. Hopefully now C's fans will start to recognize Williams as more of a long shot rather than a sure thing.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: liam on July 01, 2018, 11:27:22 PM
This is the second biggest story in The NBA today!
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: hwangjini_1 on July 01, 2018, 11:29:38 PM
big baby????
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on July 01, 2018, 11:30:47 PM
Boo Butt needs a swift kick in the fanny.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: JHTruth on July 01, 2018, 11:41:16 PM
This is the second biggest story in The NBA today!

The Celtic/Ainge hate is real..I mean come the eff on people..
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Kuberski33 on July 01, 2018, 11:45:27 PM
The so called 'Green Teamers' (that term cracks me up) will say 'oh it doesn't matter...he'll still be great!'.  Those of us who have seen more than their share of Celtics head cases over the years see warning signs already.  The kid obviously have some issues...but thinking 'Horford will show him' or 'we need Perk to keep him in line' that stuff is so irrelevant. 

If this kid has off the court issues it may well be that no amount of coddling, scolding, tough love etc will suddenly turn him around. And Brad may not be able to do it. He can have the greatest coaching/advice in the world and if he's just clueless then it's not going to matter.

The gamble is that he'll figure it all out eventually and develop as a player.  What this does though is catch the attention of the Shaughnessy's of the world so there will be some long time media members who will be looking for him to fail.  He's got no concept of that - and it may not be as important as it was say 10 or 15 years ago - but he's definitely not helping himself career-wise pulling this stuff.

But given that this is the information age I'm sure that Ainge & co knew exactly what they were getting involved with when they picked this guy. 
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: JHTruth on July 01, 2018, 11:49:41 PM
The so called 'Green Teamers' (that term cracks me up) will say 'oh it doesn't matter...he'll still be great!'.  Those of us who have seen more than their share of Celtics head cases over the years see warning signs already.  The kid obviously have some issues...but thinking 'Horford will show him' or 'we need Perk to keep him in line' that stuff is so irrelevant. 

If this kid has off the court issues it may well be that no amount of coddling, scolding, tough love etc will suddenly turn him around. And Brad may not be able to do it. He can have the greatest coaching/advice in the world and if he's just clueless then it's not going to matter.

The gamble is that he'll figure it all out eventually and develop as a player.  What this does though is catch the attention of the Shaughnessy's of the world so there will be some long time media members who will be looking for him to fail.  He's got no concept of that - and it may not be as important as it was say 10 or 15 years ago - but he's definitely not helping himself career-wise pulling this stuff.

But given that this is the information age I'm sure that Ainge & co knew exactly what they were getting involved with when they picked this guy.

Media clowns don't mean a thing anymore. He WILL need to perform on the court however or he will be gone. But it is waaaaaay too early for any sort of definitive opinion. Kid hasnt even played  SL gAme yet..
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: SparzWizard on July 01, 2018, 11:50:29 PM
This is the second biggest story in The NBA today!

The Celtic/Ainge hate is real..I mean come the eff on people..

Haven't you heard, the media and ESPN hates Boston Sports. The Patriots are on the top of the list. Then the Red Sox and their recent dominance. Now the Celtics who are becoming very relevant these days.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Beat LA on July 01, 2018, 11:51:21 PM
The so called 'Green Teamers' (that term cracks me up) will say 'oh it doesn't matter...he'll still be great!'.

Felger, is that you ;) ::) ;D?
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: keevsnick on July 02, 2018, 12:04:41 AM
Dude missed a flight. I mean its not great but its not the worst thing a player has ever done. He needs to buckle done and just work, I'm not gonna just write off a 20 year old. We shall see.  If he shows up, plays well and puts in work ultimately this won't matter at all.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: MaxAMillion on July 02, 2018, 12:19:36 AM
Dude missed a flight. I mean its not great but its not the worst thing a player has ever done. He needs to buckle done and just work, I'm not gonna just write off a 20 year old. We shall see.  If he shows up, plays well and puts in work ultimately this won't matter at all.
We shall see is the correct answer...penciling Williams in as a no doubt factor next year is a mistake.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: droopdog7 on July 02, 2018, 12:30:44 AM
Like I’ve been saying all along, there is a reason he dropped to 27.  Instead, people been breaking out the anointing oil left and right.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: keevsnick on July 02, 2018, 12:36:41 AM
Dude missed a flight. I mean its not great but its not the worst thing a player has ever done. He needs to buckle done and just work, I'm not gonna just write off a 20 year old. We shall see.  If he shows up, plays well and puts in work ultimately this won't matter at all.
We shall see is the correct answer...penciling Williams in as a no doubt factor next year is a mistake.

Ya he's probably not going to be a big factor next year. Rookies almost never are (Tatum aside). But that doesn't mean that he's gonna be a bust. A lot of guys (Bradley, Rozier) were non factors their first year and went on to have great NBA careers.  I think he has the upside to be a long term starter, maybe even a Clint Capella level player. He also might not. Its gonna take time, I just don't know that missing a flight means we should write him off as a bust or lazy. Like I said we shall see.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: vjcsmoke on July 02, 2018, 12:43:04 AM
Really getting off on the wrong foot.  I'm hoping the rookie straightens up and flies right.  But he is not inspiring a lot of confidence with this pattern of behavior.  He's got to understand that he is a PROFESSIONAL now.  He has to exercise pro habits.  Be on time for WORK dude!
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: droopdog7 on July 02, 2018, 12:45:47 AM
One other thing.  Because we’re taking about the 27th pick, I’m at about a 3 out of 10 in the care meter.  If he works out, fine.  But I’m certainly not expecting much.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: keevsnick on July 02, 2018, 12:50:39 AM
One other thing.  Because we’re taking about the 27th pick, I’m at about a 3 out of 10 in the care meter.  If he works out, fine.  But I’m certainly not expecting much.

I would describe my feelings as hopeful, but not expecting anything. Most late firsts don't work out, so at least we drafted a long shot with soem decent upside.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: droopdog7 on July 02, 2018, 01:01:17 AM
One other thing.  Because we’re taking about the 27th pick, I’m at about a 3 out of 10 in the care meter.  If he works out, fine.  But I’m certainly not expecting much.

I would describe my feelings as hopeful, but not expecting anything. Most late firsts don't work out, so at least we drafted a long shot with soem decent upside.
No question.  Even if he doesn’t work out, I wouldn’t call the pick a mistake.  That late in the draft you have to make a choice.  Nothing wrong with swinging for the fences, even if it means you’re more likely to strikeout.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Scintan on July 02, 2018, 01:18:35 AM
Williams will straighten his act out, or he won't, but a bunch of people on a message board giving him cover for his errors just because he's going to be wearing green isn't going to help him.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Ogaju on July 02, 2018, 01:19:13 AM
Those that think immaturity is not a problem should look up an ex-NBA big man with initials BB.

I may give a TP to the first poster to come up with the player's name.

The player's name is Benoit Benjamin. How did that work out?
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: playdream on July 02, 2018, 01:35:31 AM
I don't see any big deal, it's just a summer league practice, not anything close to "can't miss"

Of course it's not good, but it's also harder for some people to wake up on time, tells more of his body situation than work ethic
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: ozgod on July 02, 2018, 02:00:41 AM
Not a good start given the questions that had been raised about his professionalism. You'd think that one would work extra hard to overcome that negative perception. One screw-up is fine, everyone makes mistakes. Two is something to raise eyebrows. Three is a trend. Let's hope he doesn't get to 3 and shows that these first 2 are an aberration.

If he finds it hard to wake up or manage his time, I hope the Celtics provide him with tools to help him do so. An alarm clock or three will help. Or a calendar or something. Missing commitments because you couldn't wake up or manage yourself is a surefire way to get fired in any job, never mind the NBA.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: CelticSooner on July 02, 2018, 02:39:28 AM
Per Texas A&M fan:
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he was on northgate Friday night wearing a NBA hoodie. Probs went out Saturday too.

Flying back home to party? Come on dude
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Csfan1984 on July 02, 2018, 02:43:33 AM
I'm off the band wagon on this guy. Probably a bust. He doesn't have the commitment clearly to succeed. Sad case of a talented player who doesn't like basketball.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Beat LA on July 02, 2018, 02:53:46 AM
Per Texas A&M fan:
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he was on northgate Friday night wearing a NBA hoodie. Probs went out Saturday too.

Flying back home to party? Come on dude

TP for the info :). Sauce ;D?
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: CelticSooner on July 02, 2018, 03:02:49 AM
Per Texas A&M fan:
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he was on northgate Friday night wearing a NBA hoodie. Probs went out Saturday too.

Flying back home to party? Come on dude

TP for the info :). Sauce ;D?

https://texags.com/forums/7/topics/2959748
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: CelticsElite on July 02, 2018, 03:28:47 AM
Per Texas A&M fan:
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he was on northgate Friday night wearing a NBA hoodie. Probs went out Saturday too.

Flying back home to party? Come on dude

TP for the info :). Sauce ;D?

https://texags.com/forums/7/topics/2959748
so he flew back to college station aka party city,  not back home in Louisiana. Was it really necessary? I get having the itch to party, but it had to be back in college? Not in boston? Fly all the way back to Texas and try to get back to Boston in a day?


Didn’t Johnny manziel do this a lot when he was with Cleveland? Didn’t work out very well for Johnny football

The Fight to Save Johnny Manziel from All-Out Self-Destruction
The former Cleveland Browns quarterback’s epic fall—from the hottest thing in football to N.F.L. washout—was agonizing for those who tried to prevent it. His inner circle describes the clash of talent and temptation.
“It was a lot to handle for a small-town kid, and Manziel didn’t cope well. Like many college students, he enjoyed his beer. As his parents, Paul and Michelle Manziel, admitted to ESPN magazine at the time, they worried his drinking was out of hand. What Manziel’s parents didn’t say, though, was what truly scared them was drug use. Johnny had been dogged by rumors of it almost as soon as he came on the national scene, but this account, offered by members of his close circle of family and friends, is the first to detail their dramatic attempts to curtail what even now they euphemistically call his love for “partying.”


https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/10/the-fight-to-save-johnny-manziel-from-self-destruction
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: chambers on July 02, 2018, 04:54:42 AM
This has substance abuse all over it.

Hopefully he's getting the last bits of need out of his system.

The routine of the NBA will hopefully sort him out. If not, he's the 27th pick.
Just don't distract the rest of our contending squad.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: IDreamCeltics on July 02, 2018, 06:05:49 AM
So this guy...

Missed the combine...

Missed the draft...

Missed his introductory press conference...

Missed his first practice...

Yeah... He's not working out.

Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: KungPoweChicken on July 02, 2018, 06:31:24 AM
I hate to say it, but there are a lot of racist sounding posts in this thread. I expect better from Celticsblog.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: makaveli on July 02, 2018, 06:39:27 AM
We are talking about practice, not a game, not a game, but practice...

On a serious note, this has to be handled in its roots. Fine him, talk to him, whatever, no other way
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: greece66 on July 02, 2018, 07:06:44 AM
I hate to say it, but there are a lot of racist sounding posts in this thread. I expect better from Celticsblog.

I find many of the reactions here exaggerated, but what makes you think they would be any different if Williams was white or Asian?
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Roy H. on July 02, 2018, 07:08:38 AM
I hate to say it, but there are a lot of racist sounding posts in this thread. I expect better from Celticsblog.

Point to one?
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Eja117 on July 02, 2018, 07:36:58 AM
I hate to say it, but there are a lot of racist sounding posts in this thread. I expect better from Celticsblog.
I suppose you could make the case that the soft bigotry of low expectations is well represented, but it seems far more age based than race based
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Celtics4ever on July 02, 2018, 07:41:38 AM
He dropped to us for a reason, could these kind of things be the maturity issues, we have all read about.  I think he will be fine.


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We are talking about practice, not a game, not a game, but practice...

Yep, said by a guy who never won a championship perhaps if he practiced more....

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This has substance abuse all over it.

He is 20 years old.   I wonder how many of us missed a bus or screwed up when we were 20 years old.  You could be right, but maturity issues could be it, too.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: dreamgreen on July 02, 2018, 08:00:22 AM
I'm getting a bad feeling about this kid not sure he's going to make it in the NBA. Does he have depression issues?
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: csfansince60s on July 02, 2018, 08:08:00 AM
The so called 'Green Teamers' (that term cracks me up) will say 'oh it doesn't matter...he'll still be great!'.

Felger, is that you ;) ::) ;D?

TP
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: JHTruth on July 02, 2018, 09:46:42 AM
I hate to say it, but there are a lot of racist sounding posts in this thread. I expect better from Celticsblog.
I suppose you could make the case that the soft bigotry of low expectations is well represented, but it seems far more age based than race based

News flash, most NBA players, esp young ones "party". They are famous for hitting clubs cruising for women. Remember Pierce was out partying when he was stabbed.

Some can handle it some can't. I have a feeling RW3 just needs to lay off College Station for awhile..
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Roy H. on July 02, 2018, 09:53:11 AM
I hate to say it, but there are a lot of racist sounding posts in this thread. I expect better from Celticsblog.
I suppose you could make the case that the soft bigotry of low expectations is well represented, but it seems far more age based than race based

News flash, most NBA players, esp young ones "party". They are famous for hitting clubs cruising for women. Remember Pierce was out partying when he was stabbed.

Some can handle it some can't. I have a feeling RW3 just needs to lay off College Station for awhile..

This is true, but you’re fair game for criticism if you can’t handle it. He’s had three team events and he’s missed two of them.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: saltlover on July 02, 2018, 09:58:53 AM
I hate to say it, but there are a lot of racist sounding posts in this thread. I expect better from Celticsblog.
I suppose you could make the case that the soft bigotry of low expectations is well represented, but it seems far more age based than race based

News flash, most NBA players, esp young ones "party". They are famous for hitting clubs cruising for women. Remember Pierce was out partying when he was stabbed.

Some can handle it some can't. I have a feeling RW3 just needs to lay off College Station for awhile..

This is true, but you’re fair game for criticism if you can’t handle it. He’s had three team events and he’s missed two of them.

And this after skipping the combine, doing only limited workouts, and falling 10-15 spots lower than he thought he would go.  You would hope a player would feel snubbed and set out to prove people wrong, but so far he’s proven about a dozen teams correct.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: rollie mass on July 02, 2018, 10:05:47 AM
This also has girlfriend all over it.I posted earlier it was up to organization and teammates to watch over a 20 year old from small town and immature.How did he miss new workout regime, get back to campus without anyone noticing.Boston can be quite intimidating at first.Jason has his mother in the same building.
Is he another James Young or will he pull a Fultz and forget how to jump.
I'm calling  your mother that seems what he needs-
I can't imagine the sabotage that can be in this kid,the pressure and fear of failure.
Just get this kid sorted and on the court with a routine
Call it a minder till he gets acclimated-he is in a foreign country and under a microscope
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Roy H. on July 02, 2018, 10:06:07 AM
I hate to say it, but there are a lot of racist sounding posts in this thread. I expect better from Celticsblog.
I suppose you could make the case that the soft bigotry of low expectations is well represented, but it seems far more age based than race based

News flash, most NBA players, esp young ones "party". They are famous for hitting clubs cruising for women. Remember Pierce was out partying when he was stabbed.

Some can handle it some can't. I have a feeling RW3 just needs to lay off College Station for awhile..

This is true, but you’re fair game for criticism if you can’t handle it. He’s had three team events and he’s missed two of them.

And this after skipping the combine, doing only limited workouts, and falling 10-15 spots lower than he thought he would go.  You would hope a player would feel snubbed and set out to prove people wrong, but so far he’s proven about a dozen teams correct.

Yeah, I like guys who have a chip on their shoulder.  Pierce felt snubbed falling to #10 due to unfair criticism, and it motivated him for years.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: droopdog7 on July 02, 2018, 10:53:20 AM
I hate to say it, but there are a lot of racist sounding posts in this thread. I expect better from Celticsblog.
I suppose you could make the case that the soft bigotry of low expectations is well represented, but it seems far more age based than race based

News flash, most NBA players, esp young ones "party". They are famous for hitting clubs cruising for women. Remember Pierce was out partying when he was stabbed.

Some can handle it some can't. I have a feeling RW3 just needs to lay off College Station for awhile..
Partying is not the issue.  Being irresponsible, regardless of age, is the problem.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: CF033 on July 02, 2018, 11:06:59 AM
I hope he understands that this type of behavior can kill his NBA career before it even starts. Let's hope it isn't a regular thing.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: green_bballers13 on July 02, 2018, 11:34:48 AM
I hate to say it, but there are a lot of racist sounding posts in this thread. I expect better from Celticsblog.
I suppose you could make the case that the soft bigotry of low expectations is well represented, but it seems far more age based than race based

News flash, most NBA players, esp young ones "party". They are famous for hitting clubs cruising for women. Remember Pierce was out partying when he was stabbed.

Some can handle it some can't. I have a feeling RW3 just needs to lay off College Station for awhile..

This is true, but you’re fair game for criticism if you can’t handle it. He’s had three team events and he’s missed two of them.

And this after skipping the combine, doing only limited workouts, and falling 10-15 spots lower than he thought he would go.  You would hope a player would feel snubbed and set out to prove people wrong, but so far he’s proven about a dozen teams correct.

If teams jump to conclusions, you may be right.

I'm still waiting to see what he does as a basketball player before getting too judgmental. It's way to early to turn little things into bigger things.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: JHTruth on July 02, 2018, 11:50:55 AM
This also has girlfriend all over it.I posted earlier it was up to organization and teammates to watch over a 20 year old from small town and immature.How did he miss new workout regime, get back to campus without anyone noticing.Boston can be quite intimidating at first.Jason has his mother in the same building.
Is he another James Young or will he pull a Fultz and forget how to jump.
I'm calling  your mother that seems what he needs-
I can't imagine the sabotage that can be in this kid,the pressure and fear of failure.
Just get this kid sorted and on the court with a routine
Call it a minder till he gets acclimated-he is in a foreign country and under a microscope

Tatum lives with his mom and still managed to get a girl pregnant and now has a new gf. The transition to the NBA has a lot more to do with the off-court stuff than on-court. That's why the vets on the team will really need to help RW3 succeed. RW3 is hardly the first rookie needing help adjusting to the big leagues, it's just the social media age magnifies everything. He's never seen this kind of scrutiny either. These things used to be handled in-house before social media blows up everything..
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: jbpats on July 02, 2018, 11:56:44 AM
Obviously too soon to cut him but this is a bad look. Hopefully he redeems himself in summer league, if not he'll be wasting away in Maine.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: green_bballers13 on July 02, 2018, 12:09:17 PM
This also has girlfriend all over it.I posted earlier it was up to organization and teammates to watch over a 20 year old from small town and immature.How did he miss new workout regime, get back to campus without anyone noticing.Boston can be quite intimidating at first.Jason has his mother in the same building.
Is he another James Young or will he pull a Fultz and forget how to jump.
I'm calling  your mother that seems what he needs-
I can't imagine the sabotage that can be in this kid,the pressure and fear of failure.
Just get this kid sorted and on the court with a routine
Call it a minder till he gets acclimated-he is in a foreign country and under a microscope

Tatum lives with his mom and still managed to get a girl pregnant and now has a new gf. The transition to the NBA has a lot more to do with the off-court stuff than on-court. That's why the vets on the team will really need to help RW3 succeed. RW3 is hardly the first rookie needing help adjusting to the big leagues, it's just the social media age magnifies everything. He's never seen this kind of scrutiny either. These things used to be handled in-house before social media blows up everything..

Previous generations didn't have old men reading Twitter/etc and critiquing players to the same extent. Did we know exactly what Larry Bird/Wilt Chamberlain/etc were doing on their off days?

I remember my grandfather making fun of the talk radio guys for "acting like women in a hair salon" when discussing all of the irrelevant matters. "Can the guy score 30 points? Yes- then why should I care about the other crap?"

We are definitely in a time when everyone knows everyone else's business. I personally think its too much.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: JHTruth on July 02, 2018, 12:11:01 PM
This also has girlfriend all over it.I posted earlier it was up to organization and teammates to watch over a 20 year old from small town and immature.How did he miss new workout regime, get back to campus without anyone noticing.Boston can be quite intimidating at first.Jason has his mother in the same building.
Is he another James Young or will he pull a Fultz and forget how to jump.
I'm calling  your mother that seems what he needs-
I can't imagine the sabotage that can be in this kid,the pressure and fear of failure.
Just get this kid sorted and on the court with a routine
Call it a minder till he gets acclimated-he is in a foreign country and under a microscope

Tatum lives with his mom and still managed to get a girl pregnant and now has a new gf. The transition to the NBA has a lot more to do with the off-court stuff than on-court. That's why the vets on the team will really need to help RW3 succeed. RW3 is hardly the first rookie needing help adjusting to the big leagues, it's just the social media age magnifies everything. He's never seen this kind of scrutiny either. These things used to be handled in-house before social media blows up everything..

Previous generations didn't have old men reading Twitter/etc and critiquing players to the same extent. Did we know exactly what Larry Bird/Wilt Chamberlain/etc were doing on their off days?

I remember my grandfather making fun of the talk radio guys for "acting like women in a hair salon" when discussing all of the irrelevant matters. "Can the guy score 30 points? Yes- then why should I care about the other crap?"

We are definitely in a time when everyone knows everyone else's business? I personally think its too much.

Larry used to drink beers in the locker room. LOL. Magic would be slamming multiple women in the team shower after games. Reporters used to respect that no one really cared about that gossipy stuff back in the day..
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Moranis on July 02, 2018, 12:13:21 PM
Did he miss the flight or was the flight cancelled or delayed such that he didn't get back in time.  He still have planned better, but there is a difference.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: PAOBoston on July 02, 2018, 12:13:41 PM
This guy is gonna be a new team by February of he doesn't shape up.

Not a favorable impression so far. Not at all.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: JHTruth on July 02, 2018, 12:13:54 PM
Did he miss the flight or was the flight cancelled or delayed such that he didn't get back in time.  He still have planned better, but there is a difference.

We have no idea. He's practicing today apparently...
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: footey on July 02, 2018, 12:16:53 PM
https://twitter.com/Murf56/status/1013808122920611848

Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: JHTruth on July 02, 2018, 12:19:53 PM
https://twitter.com/Murf56/status/1013808122920611848

Seems like its over. Let's hope he plays well in SL..
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Scintan on July 02, 2018, 12:25:29 PM
I hate to say it, but there are a lot of racist sounding posts in this thread. I expect better from Celticsblog.

When you think every sound made at night is made by a ghost, you hear a lot of ghosts.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on July 02, 2018, 12:31:37 PM
https://twitter.com/Murf56/status/1013808122920611848

What does it say?
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Chris22 on July 02, 2018, 12:33:40 PM
I hope they make him sing his college fight song to the entire team as punishment.

Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Dino Pitino on July 02, 2018, 12:34:51 PM
https://twitter.com/Murf56/status/1013808122920611848

What does it say?
Quote
R-Williams at today's practice after missing yesterday's opener. Danny Ainge on team's approach to the errant rookie: "We're trying to provide structure. ... A lot of people need to grow up, and there's consequences for their actions." Said discipline will be handled internally.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Hank Finkel on July 02, 2018, 12:42:05 PM
I hope they make him sing his college fight song to the entire team as punishment.
I heard BS doesn’t like any kind of rookie hazing. I would say a nice big fine would get his attention more than anything else.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on July 02, 2018, 12:43:30 PM
https://twitter.com/Murf56/status/1013808122920611848

What does it say?
Quote
R-Williams at today's practice after missing yesterday's opener. Danny Ainge on team's approach to the errant rookie: "We're trying to provide structure. ... A lot of people need to grow up, and there's consequences for their actions." Said discipline will be handled internally.

TP. Thanks.

CBS and Ainge both talk often about developing men, not just developing basketball players. They are and will continue to practice what they preach.

I still think that if Williams can reach his potential, the best place for him is in Boston.

Still annoying though.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: CelticSooner on July 02, 2018, 12:46:18 PM
https://twitter.com/Murf56/status/1013808122920611848

What does it say?
Quote
R-Williams at today's practice after missing yesterday's opener. Danny Ainge on team's approach to the errant rookie: "We're trying to provide structure. ... A lot of people need to grow up, and there's consequences for their actions." Said discipline will be handled internally.

TP. Thanks.

CBS and Ainge both talk often about developing men, not just developing basketball players. They are and will continue to practice what they preach.

I still think that if Williams can reach his potential, the best place for him is in Boston.

Still annoying though.

If he can’t make it in this organization where can he? Time to grow up Robert.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on July 02, 2018, 12:46:24 PM
Any one remember a young Celtic that kept an online blog? It may have been Rondo, but I can't recall.

Regardless, love to see Boo Butt keep a blog.  Just typical diary-like entries from day to day.

Bob, if you're reading this, let us into your world big guy.  We love you.
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: Eddie20 on July 02, 2018, 01:04:35 PM
MASTERPIECE?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

HE CANNOT HOLD A CANDLE TO THEIS OR BAYNES

THEY AT LEAST SHOW UP!

Yeah, I love the upside Williams has, but there is a reason why he slipped. Teams are privy to information on a player and, more like than not, what they heard about Williams wasn't too positive.
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on July 02, 2018, 01:08:28 PM
http://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1013537987492302848

Yeah, not the greatest start to Williams’ Celtics career...

Lol.  He's very young. 

so was i in 4th grade when i had to set alarms.

pathetic argument

Did I make an argument, or an observation? 
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: fairweatherfan on July 02, 2018, 01:14:00 PM
I'm not gonna bury the guy for being a dumbass but it feels like he's the kind of guy who sees getting drafted as the end of a journey rather than the beginning of one. Hopefully that gets drummed out of him quick or he'll be out of the league before he knows it.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: spikelovetheCelts on July 02, 2018, 01:18:51 PM
I'm not gonna bury the guy for being a dumbass but it feels like he's the kind of guy who sees getting drafted as the end of a journey rather than the beginning of one. Hopefully that gets drummed out of him quick or he'll be out of the league before he knows it.
Right now he is living off his agent's money. His agent should have someone taking care of him.
I am hopeful he is now going to stay in Boston until summer league and have someone take care of him. Hopefully the wake up call was loud and clear.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Roy H. on July 02, 2018, 02:06:44 PM
Did he miss the flight or was the flight cancelled or delayed such that he didn't get back in time.  He still have planned better, but there is a difference.

We have no idea. He's practicing today apparently...

Since the team was upset, it’s unlikely that this one is on the airline.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: JHTruth on July 02, 2018, 02:12:57 PM
Did he miss the flight or was the flight cancelled or delayed such that he didn't get back in time.  He still have planned better, but there is a difference.

We have no idea. He's practicing today apparently...

Since the team was upset, it’s unlikely that this one is on the airline.

Probably not, but whatevs at this point. He'll either get the message or not. I'm thinking he will..
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: PickNRoll on July 02, 2018, 02:13:08 PM
If you haven't grown up like Robert, it's easy to call him lazy and irresponsible, but he's a product of his upbringing.  He grew up in a town of 1,000 people.  His family is clearly dysfunctional, otherwise one of the 50 people at BWW's would have woken him up for his conference call and helped him catch his flight.  He's sheltered -- he didn't even want to play AAU because he was afraid to leave home.  He's likely never owned a decent car, he may never have been to an airport before college.  He doesn't know what TSA stands for.  He probably doesn't understand how car insurance works even though he's a smart kid.  His town doesn't have public transit.  They don't teach you this $hit in school.  He's from a communal culture where people support one another, but in ways that are different from urban/ upper class values. I was raised in a culture like this.  This is what people mean by cycle of poverty.  He's not necessarily lazy or irresponsible, but it's hard to break out of because that's where he's comfortable.  Larry Bird quit school and nearly ended up a garbage man.  Was he lazy?

Add to this that he's showing some glaring signs of substance abuse.  There was no reason for him to fly home for a day.  The kid needs some help.

Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: KungPoweChicken on July 02, 2018, 02:15:00 PM
I hate to say it, but there are a lot of racist sounding posts in this thread. I expect better from Celticsblog.

Point to one?

Below are all literally posts from this thread, and missing is the post that has since been deleted predicting that Williams' future will be as a minimum wage laborer sweeping floors.


"the thing I dislike the most is that he talks about working hard, ability to work hard....   time to get my sheet together"

"this guy should not be allowed to be alone. pair him up with a roommate moving forward.  And a guy who won't lie for him in case he wants to sneak out or something."

"Once he gets to Boston they can get him a babysitter."

"His agent needs to hire someone to get him through the summer."

"I'd test him for drugs the second he gets to the team and if it's positive I'd tell him to drive up to Maine where he will be remaining with the Red Claws till at least the All Star break. This cycle has to end immediately. If he doesn't test positive make him carry the bags and fetch everyone water during all summer league. In practice he wears a yellow jersey till he earns a green one."

"Well what is the good reason for missing the flight?  I mean how much are we going to baby this guy and shrug our shoulders? Were you late for work your first day? How about your 2nd day? There need to be immediate clear consequences. Personally I think he was gonna be on the flight but then he got high. Na na na na na na. I'd like to know why."

"Keep him away from our young guys.  I don’t want Williams to influence any of our young players. Heck, if it was me, I will not let him inside the facilities,  cut our losses now."


"I'm with eja117 in that I thought it was some kind of substance abuse when he missed the conference call and this episode reinforces my thoughts.  What else would cause the guy to not care about the responsibilities related to his new job?  It could also be the reason he hightailed it out of Boston and flew home for such a short time."


"I'm off the band wagon on this guy. Probably a bust. He doesn't have the commitment clearly to succeed. Sad case of a talented player who doesn't like basketball."

"This has substance abuse all over it. Hopefully he's getting the last bits of need out of his system."
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: JHTruth on July 02, 2018, 02:19:00 PM
If you haven't grown up like Robert, it's easy to call him lazy and irresponsible, but he's a product of his upbringing.  He grew up in a town of 1,000 people.  His family is clearly dysfunctional, otherwise one of the 50 people at BWW's would have woken him up for his conference call and helped him catch his flight.  He's sheltered -- he didn't even want to play AAU because he was afraid to leave home.  He's likely never owned a decent car, he may never have been to an airport before college.  He doesn't know what TSA stands for.  He probably doesn't understand how car insurance works even though he's a smart kid.  His town doesn't have public transit.  They don't teach you this $hit in school.  He's from a communal culture where people support one another, but in ways that are different from urban/ upper class values. I was raised in a culture like this.  This is what people mean by cycle of poverty.  He's not necessarily lazy or irresponsible, but it's hard to break out of because that's where he's comfortable.  Larry Bird quit school and nearly ended up a garbage man.  Was he lazy?

Add to this that he's showing some glaring signs of substance abuse.  There was no reason for him to fly home for a day.  The kid needs some help.

He's basically Perk. Perk was a fat tub of lard southern good ol' boy coming into the league. He had to basically completely retrain his entire life for the NBA.

RW3 will be fine. Might be nice for Chief to swing by and chat with him a bit..
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: JHTruth on July 02, 2018, 02:20:27 PM
Marcus Smart slept through a practice in the playoffs, was playing at 245, and missed weeks for punching a mirror frame when one of his girls exposed him on IG. One of the hardest working dudes on the team.

Long way before I lose faith in Rob.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Scintan on July 02, 2018, 02:23:14 PM
I hate to say it, but there are a lot of racist sounding posts in this thread. I expect better from Celticsblog.

Point to one?

Below are all literally posts from this thread, and missing is the post that has since been deleted predicting that Williams' future will be as a minimum wage laborer sweeping floors.


"the thing I dislike the most is that he talks about working hard, ability to work hard....   time to get my sheet together"

"this guy should not be allowed to be alone. pair him up with a roommate moving forward.  And a guy who won't lie for him in case he wants to sneak out or something."

"Once he gets to Boston they can get him a babysitter."

"His agent needs to hire someone to get him through the summer."

"I'd test him for drugs the second he gets to the team and if it's positive I'd tell him to drive up to Maine where he will be remaining with the Red Claws till at least the All Star break. This cycle has to end immediately. If he doesn't test positive make him carry the bags and fetch everyone water during all summer league. In practice he wears a yellow jersey till he earns a green one."

"Well what is the good reason for missing the flight?  I mean how much are we going to baby this guy and shrug our shoulders? Were you late for work your first day? How about your 2nd day? There need to be immediate clear consequences. Personally I think he was gonna be on the flight but then he got high. Na na na na na na. I'd like to know why."

"Keep him away from our young guys.  I don’t want Williams to influence any of our young players. Heck, if it was me, I will not let him inside the facilities,  cut our losses now."


"I'm with eja117 in that I thought it was some kind of substance abuse when he missed the conference call and this episode reinforces my thoughts.  What else would cause the guy to not care about the responsibilities related to his new job?  It could also be the reason he hightailed it out of Boston and flew home for such a short time."


"I'm off the band wagon on this guy. Probably a bust. He doesn't have the commitment clearly to succeed. Sad case of a talented player who doesn't like basketball."

"This has substance abuse all over it. Hopefully he's getting the last bits of need out of his system."

That's just attributing a whole lot of mundane noises to the movements of ghosts.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: smokeablount on July 02, 2018, 02:24:19 PM
Marcus Smart slept through a practice in the playoffs, was playing at 245, and missed weeks for punching a mirror frame when one of his girls exposed him on IG. One of the hardest working dudes on the team.

Long way before I lose faith in Rob.

As a RW supporter, this annoys me because it gives his detractors ammunition as a best case scenario, and as a worst case scenario it indicates that he's a long shot.  But I'm not going to crucify the kid for this.  I'm reserving my judgement until after Summer League.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Roy H. on July 02, 2018, 02:25:51 PM
I hate to say it, but there are a lot of racist sounding posts in this thread. I expect better from Celticsblog.

Point to one?

Below are all literally posts from this thread, and missing is the post that has since been deleted predicting that Williams' future will be as a minimum wage laborer sweeping floors.


"the thing I dislike the most is that he talks about working hard, ability to work hard....   time to get my sheet together"

"this guy should not be allowed to be alone. pair him up with a roommate moving forward.  And a guy who won't lie for him in case he wants to sneak out or something."

"Once he gets to Boston they can get him a babysitter."

"His agent needs to hire someone to get him through the summer."

"I'd test him for drugs the second he gets to the team and if it's positive I'd tell him to drive up to Maine where he will be remaining with the Red Claws till at least the All Star break. This cycle has to end immediately. If he doesn't test positive make him carry the bags and fetch everyone water during all summer league. In practice he wears a yellow jersey till he earns a green one."

"Well what is the good reason for missing the flight?  I mean how much are we going to baby this guy and shrug our shoulders? Were you late for work your first day? How about your 2nd day? There need to be immediate clear consequences. Personally I think he was gonna be on the flight but then he got high. Na na na na na na. I'd like to know why."

"Keep him away from our young guys.  I don’t want Williams to influence any of our young players. Heck, if it was me, I will not let him inside the facilities,  cut our losses now."


"I'm with eja117 in that I thought it was some kind of substance abuse when he missed the conference call and this episode reinforces my thoughts.  What else would cause the guy to not care about the responsibilities related to his new job?  It could also be the reason he hightailed it out of Boston and flew home for such a short time."


"I'm off the band wagon on this guy. Probably a bust. He doesn't have the commitment clearly to succeed. Sad case of a talented player who doesn't like basketball."

"This has substance abuse all over it. Hopefully he's getting the last bits of need out of his system."

So, nothing racist. Maybe reactionary (maybe not), but nothing any other rookie wouldn’t get for blowing off multiple team events.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: JHTruth on July 02, 2018, 02:26:20 PM
Marcus Smart slept through a practice in the playoffs, was playing at 245, and missed weeks for punching a mirror frame when one of his girls exposed him on IG. One of the hardest working dudes on the team.

Long way before I lose faith in Rob.

As a RW supporter, this annoys me because it gives his detractors ammunition as a best case scenario, and as a worst case scenario it indicates that he's a long shot.  But I'm not going to crucify the kid for this.  I'm reserving my judgement until after Summer League.

Yeah I think he'll be fine. We should all relax a bit..
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: KungPoweChicken on July 02, 2018, 02:26:50 PM
I hate to say it, but there are a lot of racist sounding posts in this thread. I expect better from Celticsblog.

Point to one?

Below are all literally posts from this thread, and missing is the post that has since been deleted predicting that Williams' future will be as a minimum wage laborer sweeping floors.


"the thing I dislike the most is that he talks about working hard, ability to work hard....   time to get my sheet together"

"this guy should not be allowed to be alone. pair him up with a roommate moving forward.  And a guy who won't lie for him in case he wants to sneak out or something."

"Once he gets to Boston they can get him a babysitter."

"His agent needs to hire someone to get him through the summer."

"I'd test him for drugs the second he gets to the team and if it's positive I'd tell him to drive up to Maine where he will be remaining with the Red Claws till at least the All Star break. This cycle has to end immediately. If he doesn't test positive make him carry the bags and fetch everyone water during all summer league. In practice he wears a yellow jersey till he earns a green one."

"Well what is the good reason for missing the flight?  I mean how much are we going to baby this guy and shrug our shoulders? Were you late for work your first day? How about your 2nd day? There need to be immediate clear consequences. Personally I think he was gonna be on the flight but then he got high. Na na na na na na. I'd like to know why."

"Keep him away from our young guys.  I don’t want Williams to influence any of our young players. Heck, if it was me, I will not let him inside the facilities,  cut our losses now."


"I'm with eja117 in that I thought it was some kind of substance abuse when he missed the conference call and this episode reinforces my thoughts.  What else would cause the guy to not care about the responsibilities related to his new job?  It could also be the reason he hightailed it out of Boston and flew home for such a short time."


"I'm off the band wagon on this guy. Probably a bust. He doesn't have the commitment clearly to succeed. Sad case of a talented player who doesn't like basketball."

"This has substance abuse all over it. Hopefully he's getting the last bits of need out of his system."

That's just attributing a whole lot of mundane noises to the movements of ghosts.




These are not "ghosts." It is racial stereotyping, and it is dangerous.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Scintan on July 02, 2018, 02:35:25 PM
I hate to say it, but there are a lot of racist sounding posts in this thread. I expect better from Celticsblog.

Point to one?

Below are all literally posts from this thread, and missing is the post that has since been deleted predicting that Williams' future will be as a minimum wage laborer sweeping floors.


"the thing I dislike the most is that he talks about working hard, ability to work hard....   time to get my sheet together"

"this guy should not be allowed to be alone. pair him up with a roommate moving forward.  And a guy who won't lie for him in case he wants to sneak out or something."

"Once he gets to Boston they can get him a babysitter."

"His agent needs to hire someone to get him through the summer."

"I'd test him for drugs the second he gets to the team and if it's positive I'd tell him to drive up to Maine where he will be remaining with the Red Claws till at least the All Star break. This cycle has to end immediately. If he doesn't test positive make him carry the bags and fetch everyone water during all summer league. In practice he wears a yellow jersey till he earns a green one."

"Well what is the good reason for missing the flight?  I mean how much are we going to baby this guy and shrug our shoulders? Were you late for work your first day? How about your 2nd day? There need to be immediate clear consequences. Personally I think he was gonna be on the flight but then he got high. Na na na na na na. I'd like to know why."

"Keep him away from our young guys.  I don’t want Williams to influence any of our young players. Heck, if it was me, I will not let him inside the facilities,  cut our losses now."


"I'm with eja117 in that I thought it was some kind of substance abuse when he missed the conference call and this episode reinforces my thoughts.  What else would cause the guy to not care about the responsibilities related to his new job?  It could also be the reason he hightailed it out of Boston and flew home for such a short time."


"I'm off the band wagon on this guy. Probably a bust. He doesn't have the commitment clearly to succeed. Sad case of a talented player who doesn't like basketball."

"This has substance abuse all over it. Hopefully he's getting the last bits of need out of his system."

That's just attributing a whole lot of mundane noises to the movements of ghosts.




These are not "ghosts." It is racial stereotyping, and it is dangerous.

You proclaiming something to be racial stereotyping, and something actually being racial stereotyping, are obviously two different things, as can be seen by your attempt to provide actual examples of your claim.  You heard squirrels snapping twigs, and you called it a bunch of ghosts walking the land.  Or, as Roy put it:

Quote
So, nothing racist. Maybe reactionary (maybe not), but nothing any other rookie wouldn’t get for blowing off multiple team events.

I'll leave it there, as there's apparently nothing to your position, and continuing this would only sidetrack the discussion further.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: slamtheking on July 02, 2018, 02:36:14 PM
I hate to say it, but there are a lot of racist sounding posts in this thread. I expect better from Celticsblog.

Point to one?

Below are all literally posts from this thread, and missing is the post that has since been deleted predicting that Williams' future will be as a minimum wage laborer sweeping floors.


"the thing I dislike the most is that he talks about working hard, ability to work hard....   time to get my sheet together"

"this guy should not be allowed to be alone. pair him up with a roommate moving forward.  And a guy who won't lie for him in case he wants to sneak out or something."

"Once he gets to Boston they can get him a babysitter."

"His agent needs to hire someone to get him through the summer."

"I'd test him for drugs the second he gets to the team and if it's positive I'd tell him to drive up to Maine where he will be remaining with the Red Claws till at least the All Star break. This cycle has to end immediately. If he doesn't test positive make him carry the bags and fetch everyone water during all summer league. In practice he wears a yellow jersey till he earns a green one."

"Well what is the good reason for missing the flight?  I mean how much are we going to baby this guy and shrug our shoulders? Were you late for work your first day? How about your 2nd day? There need to be immediate clear consequences. Personally I think he was gonna be on the flight but then he got high. Na na na na na na. I'd like to know why."

"Keep him away from our young guys.  I don’t want Williams to influence any of our young players. Heck, if it was me, I will not let him inside the facilities,  cut our losses now."


"I'm with eja117 in that I thought it was some kind of substance abuse when he missed the conference call and this episode reinforces my thoughts.  What else would cause the guy to not care about the responsibilities related to his new job?  It could also be the reason he hightailed it out of Boston and flew home for such a short time."


"I'm off the band wagon on this guy. Probably a bust. He doesn't have the commitment clearly to succeed. Sad case of a talented player who doesn't like basketball."

"This has substance abuse all over it. Hopefully he's getting the last bits of need out of his system."

That's just attributing a whole lot of mundane noises to the movements of ghosts.

These are not "ghosts." It is racial stereotyping, and it is dangerous.

nothing racial here.  a lot of comments about work ethic and maturity.  same things would be said about any drafted player who did this.   

if you don't think people are right in their commentary about him, speak to that. 
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Pucaccia on July 02, 2018, 02:38:18 PM
I hate to say it, but there are a lot of racist sounding posts in this thread. I expect better from Celticsblog.

Point to one?

Below are all literally posts from this thread, and missing is the post that has since been deleted predicting that Williams' future will be as a minimum wage laborer sweeping floors.


"the thing I dislike the most is that he talks about working hard, ability to work hard....   time to get my sheet together"

"this guy should not be allowed to be alone. pair him up with a roommate moving forward.  And a guy who won't lie for him in case he wants to sneak out or something."

"Once he gets to Boston they can get him a babysitter."

"His agent needs to hire someone to get him through the summer."

"I'd test him for drugs the second he gets to the team and if it's positive I'd tell him to drive up to Maine where he will be remaining with the Red Claws till at least the All Star break. This cycle has to end immediately. If he doesn't test positive make him carry the bags and fetch everyone water during all summer league. In practice he wears a yellow jersey till he earns a green one."

"Well what is the good reason for missing the flight?  I mean how much are we going to baby this guy and shrug our shoulders? Were you late for work your first day? How about your 2nd day? There need to be immediate clear consequences. Personally I think he was gonna be on the flight but then he got high. Na na na na na na. I'd like to know why."

"Keep him away from our young guys.  I don’t want Williams to influence any of our young players. Heck, if it was me, I will not let him inside the facilities,  cut our losses now."


"I'm with eja117 in that I thought it was some kind of substance abuse when he missed the conference call and this episode reinforces my thoughts.  What else would cause the guy to not care about the responsibilities related to his new job?  It could also be the reason he hightailed it out of Boston and flew home for such a short time."


"I'm off the band wagon on this guy. Probably a bust. He doesn't have the commitment clearly to succeed. Sad case of a talented player who doesn't like basketball."

"This has substance abuse all over it. Hopefully he's getting the last bits of need out of his system."

That's just attributing a whole lot of mundane noises to the movements of ghosts.




These are not "ghosts." It is racial stereotyping, and it is dangerous.
Maybe it's you who is racial stereotyping. You seem to be the only one attributing these criticisms to being black.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Big333223 on July 02, 2018, 02:40:56 PM
I'm not gonna bury the guy for being a dumbass but it feels like he's the kind of guy who sees getting drafted as the end of a journey rather than the beginning of one. Hopefully that gets drummed out of him quick or he'll be out of the league before he knows it.

I'm looking on the bright side that there were concerns about his work ethic but this isn't a "work ethic" problem, this is being immature or absent-minded. As long as he does the work on the court and in the gym I'll trust that the other stuff can be ironed out.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: PickNRoll on July 02, 2018, 02:43:37 PM
I don't see anything racist.  He's showing legitimate warning signs of substance abuse (at worst) and extreme dysfunction and immaturity (at best).  The team should get him the help he needs before he flames out of the league or becomes Lenny Bias.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on July 02, 2018, 02:46:54 PM
I don't see anything racist.  He's showing legitimate warning signs of substance abuse (at worst) and extreme dysfunction and immaturity (at best).  The team should get him the help he needs before he flames out of the league or becomes Lenny Bias.

I honestly can't believe this sentiment. You have no idea what is going on, but you are making huge assumptions.

Missing a plan is not extreme dysfunction. Invoking the name of Lenny Bias is ridiculous. Flaming out of the league is pretty far away. There is no evidence of substance abuse.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: footey on July 02, 2018, 02:59:57 PM
We all can agree that we want RW to succeed, and really help our team, particularly with his shot blocking, rebounding, and defensive prowess.

Most of us, probably all of us, agree that he has started off on the wrong foot, twice, and it indicates a certainly level of immaturity.

He is one summer league game away from having another chance to change the headline. News gets old fast.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: CF033 on July 02, 2018, 03:18:21 PM
We all can agree that we want RW to succeed, and really help our team, particularly with his shot blocking, rebounding, and defensive prowess.

Most of us, probably all of us, agree that he has started off on the wrong foot, twice, and it indicates a certainly level of immaturity.

He is one summer league game away from having another chance to change the headline. News gets old fast.

I agree with this... I def want RW to succeed. His athleticism and skillset (defense and rebounding) is something the Celts really need. It's the two no-shows that are concerning though. The kid JUST got drafted in the NBA, stands to make millions of dollars playing hoops and yet he can't be bothered to show up right out of the box? That's insane to me.

Even at 20 he should understand and be highly motivated by the weight of everything. How many other lapses will come up going forward? This isn't at all comparable to any job we had at his age and flaked out on.

But, obviously I want him to succeed to his maximum potential and I do believe the Celts will straighten him out.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: PickNRoll on July 02, 2018, 03:26:07 PM
I don't see anything racist.  He's showing legitimate warning signs of substance abuse (at worst) and extreme dysfunction and immaturity (at best).  The team should get him the help he needs before he flames out of the league or becomes Lenny Bias.

I honestly can't believe this sentiment. You have no idea what is going on, but you are making huge assumptions.

Missing a plan is not extreme dysfunction. Invoking the name of Lenny Bias is ridiculous. Flaming out of the league is pretty far away. There is no evidence of substance abuse.
Maybe you haven't been around substance abuse or family dysfunction as much as I have?  Maybe you think he's just a 20 year old who likes to sleep in and his family isn't good with alarm clocks?  Maybe he needed to fly back home for 16 hours because he forgot his gym bag?

Maybe he was suspended at A&M because his dog ate his homework.  Maybe his conditioning was poor in college and his coach limited his minutes because of... asthma?  Maybe he just wasn't good enough to start in 7 games -- maybe a matchup problem.  ::)

I don't actually know.  How could I?  I'm just calling it like I see it.  He's shown a lot of warning signs.  He appears to be a smart kid with underdeveloped maturity who likes to party.  I was that kid, lol.  He's at risk.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Big333223 on July 02, 2018, 03:29:37 PM
I don't see anything racist.  He's showing legitimate warning signs of substance abuse (at worst) and extreme dysfunction and immaturity (at best).  The team should get him the help he needs before he flames out of the league or becomes Lenny Bias.

I honestly can't believe this sentiment. You have no idea what is going on, but you are making huge assumptions.

Missing a plan is not extreme dysfunction. Invoking the name of Lenny Bias is ridiculous. Flaming out of the league is pretty far away. There is no evidence of substance abuse.
Maybe you haven't been around substance abuse or family dysfunction as much as I have?  Maybe you think he's just a 20 year old who likes to sleep in and his family isn't good with alarm clocks?  Maybe he needed to fly back home for 16 hours because he forgot his gym bag?

Maybe he was suspended at A&M because his dog ate his homework.  Maybe his conditioning was poor in college and his coach limited his minutes because of... asthma?  Maybe he just wasn't good enough to start in 7 games -- maybe a matchup problem.  ::)

I don't actually know.  How could I?  I'm just calling it like I see it.  He's shown a lot of warning signs.  He appears to be a smart kid with underdeveloped maturity who likes to party.  I was that kid, lol.  He's at risk.

I think any talk about substance abuse at this stage is not just jumping to a conclusion but a pretty bizarre jump at that.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on July 02, 2018, 03:29:58 PM
I don't see anything racist.  He's showing legitimate warning signs of substance abuse (at worst) and extreme dysfunction and immaturity (at best).  The team should get him the help he needs before he flames out of the league or becomes Lenny Bias.

I honestly can't believe this sentiment. You have no idea what is going on, but you are making huge assumptions.

Missing a plan is not extreme dysfunction. Invoking the name of Lenny Bias is ridiculous. Flaming out of the league is pretty far away. There is no evidence of substance abuse.
Maybe you haven't been around substance abuse or family dysfunction as much as I have?  Maybe you think he's just a 20 year old who likes to sleep in and his family isn't good with alarm clocks?  Maybe he needed to fly back home for 16 hours because he forgot his gym bag?

Maybe he was suspended at A&M because his dog ate his homework.  Maybe his conditioning was poor in college and his coach limited his minutes because of... asthma?  Maybe he just wasn't good enough to start in 7 games -- maybe a matchup problem.  ::)

I don't actually know.  How could I?  I'm just calling it like I see it.  He's shown a lot of warning signs.  He appears to be a smart kid with underdeveloped maturity who likes to party.  I was that kid, lol.  He's at risk.

I've been around disfunction, but I've also learned that you can't make assumptions about people just because they are similar to other people you know who have disfunctions.

I'm not saying he's an angel. I'm not really even defending him. I'm annoyed at the kid as a fan.

I'm just saying its pretty foolish to make the statements you're making when you only have a 35,000 foot view of the situation.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Eja117 on July 02, 2018, 03:33:14 PM
I don't see anything racist.  He's showing legitimate warning signs of substance abuse (at worst) and extreme dysfunction and immaturity (at best).  The team should get him the help he needs before he flames out of the league or becomes Lenny Bias.

I honestly can't believe this sentiment. You have no idea what is going on, but you are making huge assumptions.

Missing a plan is not extreme dysfunction. Invoking the name of Lenny Bias is ridiculous. Flaming out of the league is pretty far away. There is no evidence of substance abuse.
Woah woah woah. As I think the original poster who said he should be tested I agree with all of this. I would point out half the reason for testing is to confirm the guy is NOT on drugs, and the other part is to get him help if he is.

I would think the Celtics, as his employer, would want to know, but not for the purpose of destroying his career before it has begun. Destroying his career is his choice, not ours.

The testing is meant far more as info gathering and a wake up call. Not some public execution
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on July 02, 2018, 03:43:10 PM
I don't see anything racist.  He's showing legitimate warning signs of substance abuse (at worst) and extreme dysfunction and immaturity (at best).  The team should get him the help he needs before he flames out of the league or becomes Lenny Bias.

I honestly can't believe this sentiment. You have no idea what is going on, but you are making huge assumptions.

Missing a plan is not extreme dysfunction. Invoking the name of Lenny Bias is ridiculous. Flaming out of the league is pretty far away. There is no evidence of substance abuse.
Woah woah woah. As I think the original poster who said he should be tested I agree with all of this. I would point out half the reason for testing is to confirm the guy is NOT on drugs, and the other part is to get him help if he is.

I would think the Celtics, as his employer, would want to know, but not for the purpose of destroying his career before it has begun. Destroying his career is his choice, not ours.

The testing is meant far more as info gathering and a wake up call. Not some public execution

I get that your intention is not aggressive, but the act of making a guy take a drug test because he was late for a plane, especially if he is innocent, is extremely insulting. It may sour the rest of the working relationship.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: JHTruth on July 02, 2018, 03:51:24 PM
Ainge:

“Old news, we’re moving on,” said the Celtics president, though when pressed on how the team intends to deal with a player who slid in the draft due to questions about his work ethic and maturity, he added, “We’re trying to provide structure. We’ll handle things about this internally.”

Asked about his discussion with Williams this morning, Ainge said, “I’m talking to everybody.”

Ainge was anxious to move on from the issue.

“It was an accurate story yesterday and we’re moving on – today’s a new day,” he said. “These things become huge stories and they’re just not.


“A lot of people out there need to grow up, and there are consequences for their actions.”


http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/celtics/celtics_insider/2018/07/ainge_on_wayward_williams_were_trying_to_provide_structure_0
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: PickNRoll on July 02, 2018, 04:04:23 PM
I don't see anything racist.  He's showing legitimate warning signs of substance abuse (at worst) and extreme dysfunction and immaturity (at best).  The team should get him the help he needs before he flames out of the league or becomes Lenny Bias.

I honestly can't believe this sentiment. You have no idea what is going on, but you are making huge assumptions.

Missing a plan is not extreme dysfunction. Invoking the name of Lenny Bias is ridiculous. Flaming out of the league is pretty far away. There is no evidence of substance abuse.
Maybe you haven't been around substance abuse or family dysfunction as much as I have?  Maybe you think he's just a 20 year old who likes to sleep in and his family isn't good with alarm clocks?  Maybe he needed to fly back home for 16 hours because he forgot his gym bag?

Maybe he was suspended at A&M because his dog ate his homework.  Maybe his conditioning was poor in college and his coach limited his minutes because of... asthma?  Maybe he just wasn't good enough to start in 7 games -- maybe a matchup problem.  ::)

I don't actually know.  How could I?  I'm just calling it like I see it.  He's shown a lot of warning signs.  He appears to be a smart kid with underdeveloped maturity who likes to party.  I was that kid, lol.  He's at risk.

I've been around disfunction, but I've also learned that you can't make assumptions about people just because they are similar to other people you know who have disfunctions.

I'm not saying he's an angel. I'm not really even defending him. I'm annoyed at the kid as a fan.

I'm just saying its pretty foolish to make the statements you're making when you only have a 35,000 foot view of the situation.
Is it foolish?  Is it better to keep quiet and not make assumptions when you see warning signs?  That's not how I'd treat family.  Is he off-limits because he's an athlete and not a personal friend?

I grew up dirt-poor, surrounded by meth, heroin, pill-poppers, junkies and degenerates.  I was lucky enough to escape it.  If you put a gun to my head, I'd guess Robert is popping his "aunt's Oxycontin" or he just likes the purple drank and some weed.  Of course I have only tiny circumstantial details and speculation from a 35,000 ft view.  No evidence.  I'm just drawing on a lifetime of experience and my intuition on these things is pretty fn good.  Nothing about this situation equates to "lazy" or "bad luck" in my mind.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: PickNRoll on July 02, 2018, 04:08:54 PM
I don't see anything racist.  He's showing legitimate warning signs of substance abuse (at worst) and extreme dysfunction and immaturity (at best).  The team should get him the help he needs before he flames out of the league or becomes Lenny Bias.

I honestly can't believe this sentiment. You have no idea what is going on, but you are making huge assumptions.

Missing a plan is not extreme dysfunction. Invoking the name of Lenny Bias is ridiculous. Flaming out of the league is pretty far away. There is no evidence of substance abuse.
Woah woah woah. As I think the original poster who said he should be tested I agree with all of this. I would point out half the reason for testing is to confirm the guy is NOT on drugs, and the other part is to get him help if he is.

I would think the Celtics, as his employer, would want to know, but not for the purpose of destroying his career before it has begun. Destroying his career is his choice, not ours.

The testing is meant far more as info gathering and a wake up call. Not some public execution

I get that your intention is not aggressive, but the act of making a guy take a drug test because he was late for a plane, especially if he is innocent, is extremely insulting. It may sour the rest of the working relationship.
Drug tests are commonplace in a lot of professions, including pro sports.  I don't see how it's insulting, but I'm also not saying it's necessary.  Not enough information.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: SparzWizard on July 02, 2018, 04:08:57 PM
Ainge:

“Old news, we’re moving on,” said the Celtics president, though when pressed on how the team intends to deal with a player who slid in the draft due to questions about his work ethic and maturity, he added, “We’re trying to provide structure. We’ll handle things about this internally.”

Asked about his discussion with Williams this morning, Ainge said, “I’m talking to everybody.”

Ainge was anxious to move on from the issue.

“It was an accurate story yesterday and we’re moving on – today’s a new day,” he said. “These things become huge stories and they’re just not.


“A lot of people out there need to grow up, and there are consequences for their actions.”


http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/celtics/celtics_insider/2018/07/ainge_on_wayward_williams_were_trying_to_provide_structure_0

Is it time to cut him or trade him
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: JHTruth on July 02, 2018, 04:09:42 PM
Ainge:

“Old news, we’re moving on,” said the Celtics president, though when pressed on how the team intends to deal with a player who slid in the draft due to questions about his work ethic and maturity, he added, “We’re trying to provide structure. We’ll handle things about this internally.”

Asked about his discussion with Williams this morning, Ainge said, “I’m talking to everybody.”

Ainge was anxious to move on from the issue.

“It was an accurate story yesterday and we’re moving on – today’s a new day,” he said. “These things become huge stories and they’re just not.


“A lot of people out there need to grow up, and there are consequences for their actions.”


http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/celtics/celtics_insider/2018/07/ainge_on_wayward_williams_were_trying_to_provide_structure_0

Is it time to cut him or trade him

Interesting response to Ainge's comments lol
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Eddie20 on July 02, 2018, 04:15:32 PM
I hate to say it, but there are a lot of racist sounding posts in this thread. I expect better from Celticsblog.

Point to one?

Below are all literally posts from this thread, and missing is the post that has since been deleted predicting that Williams' future will be as a minimum wage laborer sweeping floors.


"the thing I dislike the most is that he talks about working hard, ability to work hard....   time to get my sheet together"

"this guy should not be allowed to be alone. pair him up with a roommate moving forward.  And a guy who won't lie for him in case he wants to sneak out or something."

"Once he gets to Boston they can get him a babysitter."

"His agent needs to hire someone to get him through the summer."

"I'd test him for drugs the second he gets to the team and if it's positive I'd tell him to drive up to Maine where he will be remaining with the Red Claws till at least the All Star break. This cycle has to end immediately. If he doesn't test positive make him carry the bags and fetch everyone water during all summer league. In practice he wears a yellow jersey till he earns a green one."

"Well what is the good reason for missing the flight?  I mean how much are we going to baby this guy and shrug our shoulders? Were you late for work your first day? How about your 2nd day? There need to be immediate clear consequences. Personally I think he was gonna be on the flight but then he got high. Na na na na na na. I'd like to know why."

"Keep him away from our young guys.  I don’t want Williams to influence any of our young players. Heck, if it was me, I will not let him inside the facilities,  cut our losses now."


"I'm with eja117 in that I thought it was some kind of substance abuse when he missed the conference call and this episode reinforces my thoughts.  What else would cause the guy to not care about the responsibilities related to his new job?  It could also be the reason he hightailed it out of Boston and flew home for such a short time."


"I'm off the band wagon on this guy. Probably a bust. He doesn't have the commitment clearly to succeed. Sad case of a talented player who doesn't like basketball."

"This has substance abuse all over it. Hopefully he's getting the last bits of need out of his system."

That's just attributing a whole lot of mundane noises to the movements of ghosts.

These are not "ghosts." It is racial stereotyping, and it is dangerous.

I can't believe you're actually being serious.

It's called criticism, it has nothing to do with color. So if Williams was white and the EXACT things were said would you consider it racial? If not, then YOU may have an issue that you aren't even aware of.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: cltc5 on July 02, 2018, 04:19:08 PM
16 pages debating whether some kid is good or bad based on missed flight shows how much some people in this board need to get a life!
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Roy H. on July 02, 2018, 04:23:33 PM
16 pages debating whether some kid is good or bad based on missed flight shows how much some people in this board need to get a life!

And yet you’re contributing to those 16 pages?

If you don’t enjoy discussion on CelticsBlog, you’ve got plenty of other options.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on July 02, 2018, 04:29:16 PM
16 pages debating whether some kid is good or bad based on missed flight shows how much some people in this board need to get a life!

Some of us aren't debating Williams' badness or goodness.

We are discussing the quality of conversation about Williams on these 16 pages based on the little we know about him.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: tenn_smoothie on July 02, 2018, 05:11:31 PM
I hate to say it, but there are a lot of racist sounding posts in this thread. I expect better from Celticsblog.

Point to one?

Below are all literally posts from this thread, and missing is the post that has since been deleted predicting that Williams' future will be as a minimum wage laborer sweeping floors.


"the thing I dislike the most is that he talks about working hard, ability to work hard....   time to get my sheet together"

"this guy should not be allowed to be alone. pair him up with a roommate moving forward.  And a guy who won't lie for him in case he wants to sneak out or something."

"Once he gets to Boston they can get him a babysitter."

"His agent needs to hire someone to get him through the summer."

"I'd test him for drugs the second he gets to the team and if it's positive I'd tell him to drive up to Maine where he will be remaining with the Red Claws till at least the All Star break. This cycle has to end immediately. If he doesn't test positive make him carry the bags and fetch everyone water during all summer league. In practice he wears a yellow jersey till he earns a green one."

"Well what is the good reason for missing the flight?  I mean how much are we going to baby this guy and shrug our shoulders? Were you late for work your first day? How about your 2nd day? There need to be immediate clear consequences. Personally I think he was gonna be on the flight but then he got high. Na na na na na na. I'd like to know why."

"Keep him away from our young guys.  I don’t want Williams to influence any of our young players. Heck, if it was me, I will not let him inside the facilities,  cut our losses now."


"I'm with eja117 in that I thought it was some kind of substance abuse when he missed the conference call and this episode reinforces my thoughts.  What else would cause the guy to not care about the responsibilities related to his new job?  It could also be the reason he hightailed it out of Boston and flew home for such a short time."


"I'm off the band wagon on this guy. Probably a bust. He doesn't have the commitment clearly to succeed. Sad case of a talented player who doesn't like basketball."

"This has substance abuse all over it. Hopefully he's getting the last bits of need out of his system."

That's just attributing a whole lot of mundane noises to the movements of ghosts.

These are not "ghosts." It is racial stereotyping, and it is dangerous.

I can't believe you're actually being serious.

It's called criticism, it has nothing to do with color. So if Williams was white and the EXACT things were said would you consider it racial? If not, then YOU may have an issue that you aren't even aware of.

I was gonna mention how lazy and shiftless that Williams appears to be - but someone would probably take offense at such a remark.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: No Nickname on July 02, 2018, 06:19:19 PM
I hate to say it, but there are a lot of racist sounding posts in this thread. I expect better from Celticsblog.

Point to one?

Below are all literally posts from this thread, and missing is the post that has since been deleted predicting that Williams' future will be as a minimum wage laborer sweeping floors.


"the thing I dislike the most is that he talks about working hard, ability to work hard....   time to get my sheet together"

"this guy should not be allowed to be alone. pair him up with a roommate moving forward.  And a guy who won't lie for him in case he wants to sneak out or something."

"Once he gets to Boston they can get him a babysitter."

"His agent needs to hire someone to get him through the summer."

"I'd test him for drugs the second he gets to the team and if it's positive I'd tell him to drive up to Maine where he will be remaining with the Red Claws till at least the All Star break. This cycle has to end immediately. If he doesn't test positive make him carry the bags and fetch everyone water during all summer league. In practice he wears a yellow jersey till he earns a green one."

"Well what is the good reason for missing the flight?  I mean how much are we going to baby this guy and shrug our shoulders? Were you late for work your first day? How about your 2nd day? There need to be immediate clear consequences. Personally I think he was gonna be on the flight but then he got high. Na na na na na na. I'd like to know why."

"Keep him away from our young guys.  I don’t want Williams to influence any of our young players. Heck, if it was me, I will not let him inside the facilities,  cut our losses now."


"I'm with eja117 in that I thought it was some kind of substance abuse when he missed the conference call and this episode reinforces my thoughts.  What else would cause the guy to not care about the responsibilities related to his new job?  It could also be the reason he hightailed it out of Boston and flew home for such a short time."


"I'm off the band wagon on this guy. Probably a bust. He doesn't have the commitment clearly to succeed. Sad case of a talented player who doesn't like basketball."

"This has substance abuse all over it. Hopefully he's getting the last bits of need out of his system."

That's just attributing a whole lot of mundane noises to the movements of ghosts.




These are not "ghosts." It is racial stereotyping, and it is dangerous.
Maybe it's you who is racial stereotyping. You seem to be the only one attributing these criticisms to being black.

Agreed, you could have seen the same exact (non-racist) comments about Chris Herren and how he handled his off the court stuff back in the day.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Emmette Bryant on July 02, 2018, 06:22:04 PM
video from when Williams arrived at practice

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzPRpePDLj8&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Emmette Bryant on July 02, 2018, 06:29:03 PM

I was gonna mention how lazy and shiftless that Williams appears to be - but someone would probably take offense at such a remark.

Southern man
better keep your head
Don't forget
what your good book said
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Pucaccia on July 02, 2018, 06:47:07 PM
video from when Williams arrived at practice

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzPRpePDLj8&feature=youtu.be
Funny
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: KungPoweChicken on July 02, 2018, 06:47:44 PM
I hate to say it, but there are a lot of racist sounding posts in this thread. I expect better from Celticsblog.

Point to one?

Below are all literally posts from this thread, and missing is the post that has since been deleted predicting that Williams' future will be as a minimum wage laborer sweeping floors.


"the thing I dislike the most is that he talks about working hard, ability to work hard....   time to get my sheet together"

"this guy should not be allowed to be alone. pair him up with a roommate moving forward.  And a guy who won't lie for him in case he wants to sneak out or something."

"Once he gets to Boston they can get him a babysitter."

"His agent needs to hire someone to get him through the summer."

"I'd test him for drugs the second he gets to the team and if it's positive I'd tell him to drive up to Maine where he will be remaining with the Red Claws till at least the All Star break. This cycle has to end immediately. If he doesn't test positive make him carry the bags and fetch everyone water during all summer league. In practice he wears a yellow jersey till he earns a green one."

"Well what is the good reason for missing the flight?  I mean how much are we going to baby this guy and shrug our shoulders? Were you late for work your first day? How about your 2nd day? There need to be immediate clear consequences. Personally I think he was gonna be on the flight but then he got high. Na na na na na na. I'd like to know why."

"Keep him away from our young guys.  I don’t want Williams to influence any of our young players. Heck, if it was me, I will not let him inside the facilities,  cut our losses now."


"I'm with eja117 in that I thought it was some kind of substance abuse when he missed the conference call and this episode reinforces my thoughts.  What else would cause the guy to not care about the responsibilities related to his new job?  It could also be the reason he hightailed it out of Boston and flew home for such a short time."


"I'm off the band wagon on this guy. Probably a bust. He doesn't have the commitment clearly to succeed. Sad case of a talented player who doesn't like basketball."

"This has substance abuse all over it. Hopefully he's getting the last bits of need out of his system."

That's just attributing a whole lot of mundane noises to the movements of ghosts.




These are not "ghosts." It is racial stereotyping, and it is dangerous.
Maybe it's you who is racial stereotyping. You seem to be the only one attributing these criticisms to being black.

Agreed, you could have seen the same exact (non-racist) comments about Chris Herren and how he handled his off the court stuff back in the day.




Chris Herren failed 63 drug tests at Boston College and 12 at Fresno State. It was public knowledge he had deep substance abuse issues. The comments about Williams having substance abuse problems are baseless. There's a difference.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Eja117 on July 02, 2018, 06:55:43 PM
I don't see anything racist.  He's showing legitimate warning signs of substance abuse (at worst) and extreme dysfunction and immaturity (at best).  The team should get him the help he needs before he flames out of the league or becomes Lenny Bias.

I honestly can't believe this sentiment. You have no idea what is going on, but you are making huge assumptions.

Missing a plan is not extreme dysfunction. Invoking the name of Lenny Bias is ridiculous. Flaming out of the league is pretty far away. There is no evidence of substance abuse.
Woah woah woah. As I think the original poster who said he should be tested I agree with all of this. I would point out half the reason for testing is to confirm the guy is NOT on drugs, and the other part is to get him help if he is.

I would think the Celtics, as his employer, would want to know, but not for the purpose of destroying his career before it has begun. Destroying his career is his choice, not ours.

The testing is meant far more as info gathering and a wake up call. Not some public execution

I get that your intention is not aggressive, but the act of making a guy take a drug test because he was late for a plane, especially if he is innocent, is extremely insulting. It may sour the rest of the working relationship.
Being insulted when you're in the wrong is a choice.  The guy should get a million dollars a year at the age of 20, but doesn't bother to show up twice in a week, and we should worry about him being insulted? 
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on July 02, 2018, 06:59:01 PM
I don't see anything racist.  He's showing legitimate warning signs of substance abuse (at worst) and extreme dysfunction and immaturity (at best).  The team should get him the help he needs before he flames out of the league or becomes Lenny Bias.

I honestly can't believe this sentiment. You have no idea what is going on, but you are making huge assumptions.

Missing a plan is not extreme dysfunction. Invoking the name of Lenny Bias is ridiculous. Flaming out of the league is pretty far away. There is no evidence of substance abuse.
Woah woah woah. As I think the original poster who said he should be tested I agree with all of this. I would point out half the reason for testing is to confirm the guy is NOT on drugs, and the other part is to get him help if he is.

I would think the Celtics, as his employer, would want to know, but not for the purpose of destroying his career before it has begun. Destroying his career is his choice, not ours.

The testing is meant far more as info gathering and a wake up call. Not some public execution

I get that your intention is not aggressive, but the act of making a guy take a drug test because he was late for a plane, especially if he is innocent, is extremely insulting. It may sour the rest of the working relationship.
Being insulted when you're in the wrong is a choice.  The guy should get a million dollars a year at the age of 20, but doesn't bother to show up twice in a week, and we should worry about him being insulted?

Should we test his hands for gun residue while we're at it? Run his clothes under a UV light to see if there is blood? Run a complete audit of all his finances to determine if he is embezzling?

Your jump from being late to doing drugs is insulting.

Again, his immaturity has been annoying and he should be disciplined, but your leap into checking for drugs is just not how you treat another human being.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: KungPoweChicken on July 02, 2018, 07:04:49 PM
I don't see anything racist.  He's showing legitimate warning signs of substance abuse (at worst) and extreme dysfunction and immaturity (at best).  The team should get him the help he needs before he flames out of the league or becomes Lenny Bias.

I honestly can't believe this sentiment. You have no idea what is going on, but you are making huge assumptions.

Missing a plan is not extreme dysfunction. Invoking the name of Lenny Bias is ridiculous. Flaming out of the league is pretty far away. There is no evidence of substance abuse.
Woah woah woah. As I think the original poster who said he should be tested I agree with all of this. I would point out half the reason for testing is to confirm the guy is NOT on drugs, and the other part is to get him help if he is.

I would think the Celtics, as his employer, would want to know, but not for the purpose of destroying his career before it has begun. Destroying his career is his choice, not ours.

The testing is meant far more as info gathering and a wake up call. Not some public execution

I get that your intention is not aggressive, but the act of making a guy take a drug test because he was late for a plane, especially if he is innocent, is extremely insulting. It may sour the rest of the working relationship.
Being insulted when you're in the wrong is a choice.  The guy should get a million dollars a year at the age of 20, but doesn't bother to show up twice in a week, and we should worry about him being insulted?

Should we test his hands for gun residue while we're at it? Run his clothes under a UV light to see if there is blood? Run a complete audit of all his finances to determine if he is embezzling?

Your jump from being late to doing drugs is insulting.

Again, his immaturity has been annoying and he should be disciplined, but your leap into checking for drugs is just not how you treat another human being.



But he is a black kid from the south. He is a suspect.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Eja117 on July 02, 2018, 07:20:20 PM
I don't see anything racist.  He's showing legitimate warning signs of substance abuse (at worst) and extreme dysfunction and immaturity (at best).  The team should get him the help he needs before he flames out of the league or becomes Lenny Bias.

I honestly can't believe this sentiment. You have no idea what is going on, but you are making huge assumptions.

Missing a plan is not extreme dysfunction. Invoking the name of Lenny Bias is ridiculous. Flaming out of the league is pretty far away. There is no evidence of substance abuse.
Woah woah woah. As I think the original poster who said he should be tested I agree with all of this. I would point out half the reason for testing is to confirm the guy is NOT on drugs, and the other part is to get him help if he is.

I would think the Celtics, as his employer, would want to know, but not for the purpose of destroying his career before it has begun. Destroying his career is his choice, not ours.

The testing is meant far more as info gathering and a wake up call. Not some public execution

I get that your intention is not aggressive, but the act of making a guy take a drug test because he was late for a plane, especially if he is innocent, is extremely insulting. It may sour the rest of the working relationship.
Being insulted when you're in the wrong is a choice.  The guy should get a million dollars a year at the age of 20, but doesn't bother to show up twice in a week, and we should worry about him being insulted?

Should we test his hands for gun residue while we're at it? Run his clothes under a UV light to see if there is blood? Run a complete audit of all his finances to determine if he is embezzling?

Your jump from being late to doing drugs is insulting.

Again, his immaturity has been annoying and he should be disciplined, but your leap into checking for drugs is just not how you treat another human being.
Give me a break. This isn't practice starting at 9 and the kid hit traffic and got there at 9:15.  What discipline should he get? A back rub? Maybe they could watch Mr. Rogers together and explain to him that they love him just the way he is. Or he could be held accountable like a professional and a man.   Maybe you don't think the Celts have a right to know anything about him before they hand him a million bucks. I totally disagree and find your attitude to be the absolute worst kind of enabling. It's worse than enabling. It's coddling.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: KungPoweChicken on July 02, 2018, 07:25:00 PM
I don't see anything racist.  He's showing legitimate warning signs of substance abuse (at worst) and extreme dysfunction and immaturity (at best).  The team should get him the help he needs before he flames out of the league or becomes Lenny Bias.

I honestly can't believe this sentiment. You have no idea what is going on, but you are making huge assumptions.

Missing a plan is not extreme dysfunction. Invoking the name of Lenny Bias is ridiculous. Flaming out of the league is pretty far away. There is no evidence of substance abuse.
Woah woah woah. As I think the original poster who said he should be tested I agree with all of this. I would point out half the reason for testing is to confirm the guy is NOT on drugs, and the other part is to get him help if he is.

I would think the Celtics, as his employer, would want to know, but not for the purpose of destroying his career before it has begun. Destroying his career is his choice, not ours.

The testing is meant far more as info gathering and a wake up call. Not some public execution

I get that your intention is not aggressive, but the act of making a guy take a drug test because he was late for a plane, especially if he is innocent, is extremely insulting. It may sour the rest of the working relationship.
Being insulted when you're in the wrong is a choice.  The guy should get a million dollars a year at the age of 20, but doesn't bother to show up twice in a week, and we should worry about him being insulted?

Should we test his hands for gun residue while we're at it? Run his clothes under a UV light to see if there is blood? Run a complete audit of all his finances to determine if he is embezzling?

Your jump from being late to doing drugs is insulting.

Again, his immaturity has been annoying and he should be disciplined, but your leap into checking for drugs is just not how you treat another human being.
Give me a break. This isn't practice starting at 9 and the kid hit traffic and got there at 9:15.  What discipline should he get? A back rub? Maybe they could watch Mr. Rogers together and explain to him that they love him just the way he is. Or he could be held accountable like a professional and a man.   Maybe you don't think the Celts have a right to know anything about him before they hand him a million bucks. I totally disagree and find your attitude to be the absolute worst kind of enabling. It's worse than enabling. It's coddling.



He should be offered every resource possible to be the best basketball player he can be for as long as he in on the team. That is all.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: KGBirdBias on July 02, 2018, 07:45:50 PM
I'm willing to wait until after summer league to do anything drastic. Once he gets on the court and starts showing that athletic ability they may just need to put a vet with him and give him some guidance.

All can be forgiven when you're good.  ;)
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Eja117 on July 02, 2018, 07:47:47 PM
I don't see anything racist.  He's showing legitimate warning signs of substance abuse (at worst) and extreme dysfunction and immaturity (at best).  The team should get him the help he needs before he flames out of the league or becomes Lenny Bias.

I honestly can't believe this sentiment. You have no idea what is going on, but you are making huge assumptions.

Missing a plan is not extreme dysfunction. Invoking the name of Lenny Bias is ridiculous. Flaming out of the league is pretty far away. There is no evidence of substance abuse.
Woah woah woah. As I think the original poster who said he should be tested I agree with all of this. I would point out half the reason for testing is to confirm the guy is NOT on drugs, and the other part is to get him help if he is.

I would think the Celtics, as his employer, would want to know, but not for the purpose of destroying his career before it has begun. Destroying his career is his choice, not ours.

The testing is meant far more as info gathering and a wake up call. Not some public execution

I get that your intention is not aggressive, but the act of making a guy take a drug test because he was late for a plane, especially if he is innocent, is extremely insulting. It may sour the rest of the working relationship.
Being insulted when you're in the wrong is a choice.  The guy should get a million dollars a year at the age of 20, but doesn't bother to show up twice in a week, and we should worry about him being insulted?

Should we test his hands for gun residue while we're at it? Run his clothes under a UV light to see if there is blood? Run a complete audit of all his finances to determine if he is embezzling?

Your jump from being late to doing drugs is insulting.

Again, his immaturity has been annoying and he should be disciplined, but your leap into checking for drugs is just not how you treat another human being.
Give me a break. This isn't practice starting at 9 and the kid hit traffic and got there at 9:15.  What discipline should he get? A back rub? Maybe they could watch Mr. Rogers together and explain to him that they love him just the way he is. Or he could be held accountable like a professional and a man.   Maybe you don't think the Celts have a right to know anything about him before they hand him a million bucks. I totally disagree and find your attitude to be the absolute worst kind of enabling. It's worse than enabling. It's coddling.



He should be offered every resource possible to be the best basketball player he can be for as long as he in on the team. That is all.
Great. Now what does he give in return? Feeling all insulted when people call him out? Being a locker room cancer? Dogging it? Blowing people off? Because that's where we are right now.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: KungPoweChicken on July 02, 2018, 07:49:58 PM
We already know who he is. He was one of the best college basketball players in the country and good enough to be drafted into the NBA.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: celticsclay on July 02, 2018, 07:52:46 PM
I hate to say it, but there are a lot of racist sounding posts in this thread. I expect better from Celticsblog.

Point to one?

Below are all literally posts from this thread, and missing is the post that has since been deleted predicting that Williams' future will be as a minimum wage laborer sweeping floors.


"the thing I dislike the most is that he talks about working hard, ability to work hard....   time to get my sheet together"

"this guy should not be allowed to be alone. pair him up with a roommate moving forward.  And a guy who won't lie for him in case he wants to sneak out or something."

"Once he gets to Boston they can get him a babysitter."

"His agent needs to hire someone to get him through the summer."

"I'd test him for drugs the second he gets to the team and if it's positive I'd tell him to drive up to Maine where he will be remaining with the Red Claws till at least the All Star break. This cycle has to end immediately. If he doesn't test positive make him carry the bags and fetch everyone water during all summer league. In practice he wears a yellow jersey till he earns a green one."

"Well what is the good reason for missing the flight?  I mean how much are we going to baby this guy and shrug our shoulders? Were you late for work your first day? How about your 2nd day? There need to be immediate clear consequences. Personally I think he was gonna be on the flight but then he got high. Na na na na na na. I'd like to know why."

"Keep him away from our young guys.  I don’t want Williams to influence any of our young players. Heck, if it was me, I will not let him inside the facilities,  cut our losses now."


"I'm with eja117 in that I thought it was some kind of substance abuse when he missed the conference call and this episode reinforces my thoughts.  What else would cause the guy to not care about the responsibilities related to his new job?  It could also be the reason he hightailed it out of Boston and flew home for such a short time."


"I'm off the band wagon on this guy. Probably a bust. He doesn't have the commitment clearly to succeed. Sad case of a talented player who doesn't like basketball."

"This has substance abuse all over it. Hopefully he's getting the last bits of need out of his system."

That's just attributing a whole lot of mundane noises to the movements of ghosts.




These are not "ghosts." It is racial stereotyping, and it is dangerous.
Maybe it's you who is racial stereotyping. You seem to be the only one attributing these criticisms to being black.

Agreed, you could have seen the same exact (non-racist) comments about Chris Herren and how he handled his off the court stuff back in the day.

I don't usually get involved in these race debates on here, but I do want to say I don't see it as racist that people questioned someone having issues with substance abuse concerns as being tied to his race. If you looked closely at the thread he was actually compared to Manziel cause he went to the same school and had serious partying problems (and obviously is a different race). If someone starts missing really basic functions like catching a flight to do their job and then there are reports they are partying in a different town, its fair to wonder if someone's partying is getting out of control and I honestly don't think that has anything to do with race.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: IDreamCeltics on July 02, 2018, 07:53:44 PM
Let's be real, the first two days of your new job are the two days you work the hardest to make a good impression on everyone - even if those two days are the ONLY days you pretend to care you still do it because you need the job and you care at least a little about endeering yourself enough not to get fired for a month or two.


If you've ever had a job where you didn't show up for the first day... and then didn't show up for the second day... please respond and tell us how it worked out.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: hwangjini_1 on July 02, 2018, 08:01:01 PM
I don't see anything racist.  He's showing legitimate warning signs of substance abuse (at worst) and extreme dysfunction and immaturity (at best).  The team should get him the help he needs before he flames out of the league or becomes Lenny Bias.

I honestly can't believe this sentiment. You have no idea what is going on, but you are making huge assumptions.

Missing a plan is not extreme dysfunction. Invoking the name of Lenny Bias is ridiculous. Flaming out of the league is pretty far away. There is no evidence of substance abuse.
Woah woah woah. As I think the original poster who said he should be tested I agree with all of this. I would point out half the reason for testing is to confirm the guy is NOT on drugs, and the other part is to get him help if he is.

I would think the Celtics, as his employer, would want to know, but not for the purpose of destroying his career before it has begun. Destroying his career is his choice, not ours.

The testing is meant far more as info gathering and a wake up call. Not some public execution

I get that your intention is not aggressive, but the act of making a guy take a drug test because he was late for a plane, especially if he is innocent, is extremely insulting. It may sour the rest of the working relationship.
Being insulted when you're in the wrong is a choice.  The guy should get a million dollars a year at the age of 20, but doesn't bother to show up twice in a week, and we should worry about him being insulted?

Should we test his hands for gun residue while we're at it? Run his clothes under a UV light to see if there is blood? Run a complete audit of all his finances to determine if he is embezzling?

Your jump from being late to doing drugs is insulting.

Again, his immaturity has been annoying and he should be disciplined, but your leap into checking for drugs is just not how you treat another human being.
Give me a break. This isn't practice starting at 9 and the kid hit traffic and got there at 9:15.  What discipline should he get? A back rub? Maybe they could watch Mr. Rogers together and explain to him that they love him just the way he is. Or he could be held accountable like a professional and a man.   Maybe you don't think the Celts have a right to know anything about him before they hand him a million bucks. I totally disagree and find your attitude to be the absolute worst kind of enabling. It's worse than enabling. It's coddling.



He should be offered every resource possible to be the best basketball player he can be for as long as he in on the team. That is all.
Great. Now what does he give in return? Feeling all insulted when people call him out? Being a locker room cancer? Dogging it? Blowing people off? Because that's where we are right now.
I must of missed it. Where did RW say he was insulted? When did he get labeled a cancer and by whom?

The kid has been immature. Lets see if he matures. The rhetoric here is getting out of hand.

First, you talk with people, especially young ones and see what is happening. Then you take actions to help them improve. Then if all fails you take strong action. This is standard procedures in HR.

RW is barely into step one here. So, as I usually do, I urge us all to wait and see before casting final judgements.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: knuckleballer on July 02, 2018, 08:04:43 PM
Let's be real, the first two days of your new job are the two days you work the hardest to make a good impression on everyone - even if those two days are the ONLY days you pretend to care you still do it because you need the job and you care at least a little about endeering yourself enough not to get fired for a month or two.


If you've ever had a job where you didn't show up for the first day... and then didn't show up for the second day... please respond and tell us how it worked out.

The NBA is not a normal job and most people don't begin their careers at age 20.  There are plenty of irresponsible and immature 20 year olds who mess up at their jobs by calling out sick or showing up late.  Most of those people eventually mature and get their acts together.  The Celtics and his agent will do their best to help, support few people have. 
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: hpantazo on July 02, 2018, 08:09:21 PM
Let's be real, the first two days of your new job are the two days you work the hardest to make a good impression on everyone - even if those two days are the ONLY days you pretend to care you still do it because you need the job and you care at least a little about endeering yourself enough not to get fired for a month or two.


If you've ever had a job where you didn't show up for the first day... and then didn't show up for the second day... please respond and tell us how it worked out.

The NBA is not a normal job and most people don't begin their careers at age 20.  There are plenty of irresponsible and immature 20 year olds who mess up at their jobs by calling out sick or showing up late.  Most of those people eventually mature and get their acts together.  The Celtics and his agent will do their best to help, support few people have.

Most 20 year olds also don't get paid 7 figure salaries. If they did, the certainly would not show up late or miss work the first week.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: celticinorlando on July 02, 2018, 08:10:31 PM
Williams better get his crap together because I am already liking what I see from Spellman
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: hodgy03038 on July 02, 2018, 08:11:42 PM
Let's be real, the first two days of your new job are the two days you work the hardest to make a good impression on everyone - even if those two days are the ONLY days you pretend to care you still do it because you need the job and you care at least a little about endeering yourself enough not to get fired for a month or two.


If you've ever had a job where you didn't show up for the first day... and then didn't show up for the second day... please respond and tell us how it worked out.

Early in my career working for the government I overslept two days in a row. I was embarrassed and devastated that this could happen. I got like 9 alarm clocks and never that I can remember it happening again in 30 years. I was scared straight that I could not lose my job. I retired from that job. It all worked out but I was terrified. Hopefully the same will happen with RW.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: droopdog7 on July 02, 2018, 08:19:04 PM
Let's be real, the first two days of your new job are the two days you work the hardest to make a good impression on everyone - even if those two days are the ONLY days you pretend to care you still do it because you need the job and you care at least a little about endeering yourself enough not to get fired for a month or two.


If you've ever had a job where you didn't show up for the first day... and then didn't show up for the second day... please respond and tell us how it worked out.

The NBA is not a normal job and most people don't begin their careers at age 20.  There are plenty of irresponsible and immature 20 year olds who mess up at their jobs by calling out sick or showing up late.  Most of those people eventually mature and get their acts together.  The Celtics and his agent will do their best to help, support few people have.

Most 20 year olds also don't get paid 7 figure salaries. If they did, the certainly would not show up late or miss work the first week.
I worked at McDonald’s when I was 16 and was never late.  Being 20 is not an excuse. The kids embarrassing himself.  Let’s hope it’s not a a sign of things to come.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on July 02, 2018, 08:36:55 PM
Let's be real, the first two days of your new job are the two days you work the hardest to make a good impression on everyone - even if those two days are the ONLY days you pretend to care you still do it because you need the job and you care at least a little about endeering yourself enough not to get fired for a month or two.


If you've ever had a job where you didn't show up for the first day... and then didn't show up for the second day... please respond and tell us how it worked out.

I started a new job today.  Reckon I will let you know tomorrow afternoon, especially if everyone keeps bickering in here and papa bear can't sleep.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: footey on July 02, 2018, 08:41:33 PM
Williams better get his crap together because I am already liking what I see from Spellman

Looks far more athletic than I remember in college.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: KungPoweChicken on July 02, 2018, 08:59:41 PM
Let's be real, the first two days of your new job are the two days you work the hardest to make a good impression on everyone - even if those two days are the ONLY days you pretend to care you still do it because you need the job and you care at least a little about endeering yourself enough not to get fired for a month or two.


If you've ever had a job where you didn't show up for the first day... and then didn't show up for the second day... please respond and tell us how it worked out.

I started a new job today.  Reckon I will let you know tomorrow afternoon, especially if everyone keeps bickering in here and papa bear can't sleep.


What field are you in?
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Roy H. on July 02, 2018, 09:01:58 PM
Let's be real, the first two days of your new job are the two days you work the hardest to make a good impression on everyone - even if those two days are the ONLY days you pretend to care you still do it because you need the job and you care at least a little about endeering yourself enough not to get fired for a month or two.


If you've ever had a job where you didn't show up for the first day... and then didn't show up for the second day... please respond and tell us how it worked out.

Well, in fairness it's more like he missed the first day, came in for some photo ops on the second day while saying all the right things, and missed the third day.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on July 02, 2018, 09:02:43 PM
Let's be real, the first two days of your new job are the two days you work the hardest to make a good impression on everyone - even if those two days are the ONLY days you pretend to care you still do it because you need the job and you care at least a little about endeering yourself enough not to get fired for a month or two.


If you've ever had a job where you didn't show up for the first day... and then didn't show up for the second day... please respond and tell us how it worked out.

I started a new job today.  Reckon I will let you know tomorrow afternoon, especially if everyone keeps bickering in here and papa bear can't sleep.


What field are you in?

Healthcare.  Till the world starts to appreciate athletically "average" a little more.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Sophomore on July 02, 2018, 09:10:07 PM
Cs have their first summer league game Friday. Any word on whether Williams will play?!?
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Surferdad on July 02, 2018, 09:14:31 PM
Definitely bad optics here, at the very least.  Hope he goes overboard now and works his tail off. I wanna see him on Friday in SL before I judge further.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: footey on July 02, 2018, 09:32:54 PM
Cs have their first summer league game Friday. Any word on whether Williams will play?!?

My guess is he will play but won’t start and probably won’t see minutes until 2nd quarter at the earliest. That will be his punishment.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Sophomore on July 02, 2018, 10:02:42 PM
Cs have their first summer league game Friday. Any word on whether Williams will play?!?

My guess is he will play but won’t start and probably won’t see minutes until 2nd quarter at the earliest. That will be his punishment.

Looking forward to seeing some games. I remember watching Jaylen show signs of what he’d been working on. Be nice to see Yabu, Semi, or Williams show us something this summer.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: hwangjini_1 on July 02, 2018, 10:04:46 PM
Let's be real, the first two days of your new job are the two days you work the hardest to make a good impression on everyone - even if those two days are the ONLY days you pretend to care you still do it because you need the job and you care at least a little about endeering yourself enough not to get fired for a month or two.


If you've ever had a job where you didn't show up for the first day... and then didn't show up for the second day... please respond and tell us how it worked out.

Well, in fairness it's more like he missed the first day, came in for some photo ops on the second day while saying all the right things, and missed the third day.
See? Baby steps!  ;D
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: tenn_smoothie on July 03, 2018, 01:45:12 AM

I was gonna mention how lazy and shiftless that Williams appears to be - but someone would probably take offense at such a remark.

Southern man
better keep your head
Don't forget
what your good book said

Does anyone on this board have a sense of humor ?
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: trickybilly on July 03, 2018, 02:26:44 AM
Cs have their first summer league game Friday. Any word on whether Williams will play?!?
Anyone got team lists for Summer League?
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: greece66 on July 03, 2018, 02:40:51 AM
Cs have their first summer league game Friday. Any word on whether Williams will play?!?
Anyone got team lists for Summer League?

https://hoopshype.com/2018/06/26/nba-summer-league-rosters-whos-playing-where-this-year/
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Surferdad on July 03, 2018, 07:29:04 AM
Cs have their first summer league game Friday. Any word on whether Williams will play?!?

My guess is he will play but won’t start and probably won’t see minutes until 2nd quarter at the earliest. That will be his punishment.
The guys who showed up when they were supposed to, worked their tails off and picked up the plays, will be the one to get minutes.  It's not punishment for Williams, it's rewarding guys who do their job.

C's FO will bend over backwards and give this kid the benefit of the doubt (what choice do they have, really?...), but I'm not getting a good feeling right now about the situation...
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: saltlover on July 03, 2018, 07:44:28 AM
Cs have their first summer league game Friday. Any word on whether Williams will play?!?

My guess is he will play but won’t start and probably won’t see minutes until 2nd quarter at the earliest. That will be his punishment.
The guys who showed up when they were supposed to, worked their tails off and picked up the plays, will be the one to get minutes.  It's not punishment for Williams, it's rewarding guys who do their job.

C's FO will bend over backwards and give this kid the benefit of the doubt (what choice do they have, really?...), but I'm not getting a good feeling right now about the situation...

They don’t have to bend over backwards for him.  Notably they have not signed him to his rookie contract yet, and as they a) have potentially 4 1st round picks next year, and b) could field a full roster and are up against the luxury tax without him, can both afford not to sign him all year and might be better off this season for doing so.  They’ll try not to blast him in public for now and instead handle things internally, but they’re under no obligation to sign him if he continues to lack professionalism.  I don’t think anyone wants it to come to that, but if it happens, oh well.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Celtics4ever on July 03, 2018, 08:26:32 AM
Quote
The guys who showed up when they were supposed to, worked their tails off and picked up the plays, will be the one to get minutes.  It's not punishment for Williams, it's rewarding guys who do their job.

I think this will be true initially.   But this is not grade or high school.  They might do this the first game or the like.  But talent takes greater impact in the pros than attendance and hard work.  One practice is going to be handled most likely in one game.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Surferdad on July 03, 2018, 08:27:22 AM
Cs have their first summer league game Friday. Any word on whether Williams will play?!?

My guess is he will play but won’t start and probably won’t see minutes until 2nd quarter at the earliest. That will be his punishment.
The guys who showed up when they were supposed to, worked their tails off and picked up the plays, will be the one to get minutes.  It's not punishment for Williams, it's rewarding guys who do their job.

C's FO will bend over backwards and give this kid the benefit of the doubt (what choice do they have, really?...), but I'm not getting a good feeling right now about the situation...

They don’t have to bend over backwards for him.  Notably they have not signed him to his rookie contract yet, and as they a) have potentially 4 1st round picks next year, and b) could field a full roster and are up against the luxury tax without him, can both afford not to sign him all year and might be better off this season for doing so.  They’ll try not to blast him in public for now and instead handle things internally, but they’re under no obligation to sign him if he continues to lack professionalism.  I don’t think anyone wants it to come to that, but if it happens, oh well.
I thought 1st rounders are guaranteed to be offered a contract?.. or is it just that whatever they sign is guaranteed money?  What happens if they don't offer a contract, is it like being a RFA where C's could match any other offer?
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: JHTruth on July 03, 2018, 08:37:30 AM
Quote
The guys who showed up when they were supposed to, worked their tails off and picked up the plays, will be the one to get minutes.  It's not punishment for Williams, it's rewarding guys who do their job.

I think this will be true initially.   But this is not grade or high school.  They might do this the first game or the like.  But talent takes greater impact in the pros than attendance and hard work.  One practice is going to be handled most likely in one game.

Lol people think this is their varsity HS team. Keep your platitudes from Hoosiers guys, this is the real world of pro sports where talent rules all. Talented guys will get 1073947 chances because only so many guys have the ability to play at this level..RW3 will start the first SL gAme book it
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: saltlover on July 03, 2018, 08:50:17 AM
Cs have their first summer league game Friday. Any word on whether Williams will play?!?

My guess is he will play but won’t start and probably won’t see minutes until 2nd quarter at the earliest. That will be his punishment.
The guys who showed up when they were supposed to, worked their tails off and picked up the plays, will be the one to get minutes.  It's not punishment for Williams, it's rewarding guys who do their job.

C's FO will bend over backwards and give this kid the benefit of the doubt (what choice do they have, really?...), but I'm not getting a good feeling right now about the situation...

They don’t have to bend over backwards for him.  Notably they have not signed him to his rookie contract yet, and as they a) have potentially 4 1st round picks next year, and b) could field a full roster and are up against the luxury tax without him, can both afford not to sign him all year and might be better off this season for doing so.  They’ll try not to blast him in public for now and instead handle things internally, but they’re under no obligation to sign him if he continues to lack professionalism.  I don’t think anyone wants it to come to that, but if it happens, oh well.
I thought 1st rounders are guaranteed to be offered a contract?.. or is it just that whatever they sign is guaranteed money?  What happens if they don't offer a contract, is it like being a RFA where C's could match any other offer?

When they sign it’s guaranteed money.  If the player and team can’t come to an agreement by the day of the next draft, the player re-enters the draft.  However, if the player signs with a non-NBA team during this period, the one-year wait starts again.  So Williams could re-enter the draft but would have to sit out an entire year to do so, and risk falling even lower.

The Celtics also don’t have to offer him the full 120% of slot value.  They could offer him as low as 80%.  Again, I don’t expect any of this to get to that point, but they’re not beholden to Williams if he keeps screwing up.  It would be a good decision on his part to take the next two weeks very seriously.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Emmette Bryant on July 03, 2018, 12:31:54 PM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23986580/robert-williams-says-missing-celtics-practice-fault

https://www.masslive.com/celtics/index.ssf/2018/07/boston_celtics_rookie_robert_w_2.html
Title: A 20 yr old with maturity issues-i blame the team
Post by: rollie mass on July 03, 2018, 01:21:07 PM
Where did the Celtics let this kid down.A small town kid in a big body.A couple of days being prodded and questioned about work ethic at every interview.
I believed from the beginning it was incumbent that the organization and his teammates  help him with his move.Everything from clothing to getting organised for his stay and trip to Vegas.Boston  will be like a foreign country and he did what a 20 year old would do -use his card get back to his friends.And make it back in time for practice.
We owe the kid organization and time to build some roots.To know how long it takes to get places ,where to eat,what to wear.This is a talent now in a big city for him.
Danny at interview only mentioned his sleeves length i noticed no watch.
The kid is going to feel out of place,lonely and not good enough.He sat there and made no excuses and it was on him or was it? I would have a sports psychologist working with him and the young guys.
He may be 6-10 but you can't hide that tall,you can't hide your ignorance or embarrassment at the simplest things.
When Yabu was in China he had a minder/friend-Jaylen had his friend from Atlanta staying with him
Give the kid the support tools-that missed flight was like a scream for help.


Title: Re: A 20 yr old with maturity issues-i blame the team
Post by: CelticsElite on July 03, 2018, 01:23:11 PM
They're not going to hold him accountable in public. Guarantee the coaches chewed him out behind closed doors
Title: Re: A 20 yr old with maturity issues-i blame the team
Post by: SparzWizard on July 03, 2018, 01:23:49 PM
I blame his parents for not disciplining him growing up.
Title: Re: A 20 yr old with maturity issues-i blame the team
Post by: Surferdad on July 03, 2018, 01:26:55 PM
The team, you mean Texas A&M?  Can't see how the C's are to blame in any way only 3 days in.
Title: Re: A 20 yr old with maturity issues-i blame the team
Post by: Csfan1984 on July 03, 2018, 01:28:12 PM
I blame his parents for not disciplining him growing up.
His parent are the ones who told him to stay another year in school because "he wasnt mature enough" for the NBA. They clearly are not the issue in trying to discipline/raise their son. This is on Williams alone
Title: Re: A 20 yr old with maturity issues-i blame the team
Post by: Emmette Bryant on July 03, 2018, 01:28:13 PM
Do we really need another Robert Williams thread?
Title: Re: A 20 yr old with maturity issues-i blame the team
Post by: Big333223 on July 03, 2018, 01:29:30 PM
They're not going to hold him accountable in public. Guarantee the coaches chewed him out behind closed doors

This. I believe it was taken care of. Either he's going to get hid head on straight or he's not but there is no better situation in the NBA than the Boston Celtics for him, right now, to do so.
Title: Re: A 20 yr old with maturity issues-i blame the team
Post by: Eddie20 on July 03, 2018, 01:33:35 PM
"Blame the team"....what a joke and it's the problem with the majority of the youth failing to take responsibility for their own actions. Blame others, never take accountability.


Masterpiece better grow up and quick!
Title: Re: A 20 yr old with maturity issues-i blame the team
Post by: rollie mass on July 03, 2018, 01:57:33 PM
What are you talking about-what did he really do but go home to pick up a few things,see a girfriend maybe.Process this a one stoplight town and he just went for a visit.
Now he's got teammates for the tournament i hope they behave themselves.
Title: Re: A 20 yr old with maturity issues-i blame the team
Post by: dreamgreen on July 03, 2018, 02:00:15 PM
ROFL ask yourself this do you want to be a millionaire? Do you think he wants to be one? Because right now it appears he doesn't care enough about anything. A 20 year old can go off to war, go to jail for the rest of their lives, be the father of multiple children! It's worrisome period.
Title: Re: A 20 yr old with maturity issues-i blame the team
Post by: footey on July 03, 2018, 02:04:41 PM
What are you talking about-what did he really do but go home to pick up a few things,see a girfriend maybe.Process this a one stoplight town and he just went for a visit.
Now he's got teammates for the tournament i hope they behave themselves.

Quit making excuses, Rollie. You could care less if he didn't have an 8 foot wingspan and great hops. 

He screwed up, the team told him to get his act together now, and let's hope he does.

Assistant coach said he was amazing in practice, unprecedented length and athleticism, blocking shots with his elbows, and fits into system well as he is unselfish. So we have a potential gem. And yes, the Celtics have to have a structure in place to help him.
Title: Re: A 20 yr old with maturity issues-i blame the team
Post by: Roy H. on July 03, 2018, 02:08:09 PM
Is personal accountability dead?

We don’t need to be enablers for the bad decisions of others.
Title: Re: A 20 yr old with maturity issues-i blame the team
Post by: libermaniac on July 03, 2018, 02:12:18 PM
Give a man a fish, feed him for a day.  Teach him to fish, feed him for life.  Letting him screw up is the best way for him to learn.
Title: Re: A 20 yr old with maturity issues-i blame the team
Post by: Fafnir on July 03, 2018, 02:14:22 PM
I'm sure the C's will be providing him a lot of structure once he's in Boston and the season is going. But fundamentally he's still a rich young man who's going to be on the road a lot, this is on him.
Title: Re: A 20 yr old with maturity issues-i blame the team
Post by: cltc5 on July 03, 2018, 02:28:35 PM
Can the do no wrong perfect critics go take a hike.  I heard the mountains of the Hawaiian islands are quite scenic nowadays.
Title: Re: A 20 yr old with maturity issues-i blame the team
Post by: cltc5 on July 03, 2018, 02:30:54 PM
Raise your hand if you’ve never made a mistake or messed up....? If that’s you, please respond back Lord Jesus, I have knee injury that needs some healing ::)
Title: Re: A 20 yr old with maturity issues-i blame the team
Post by: nickagneta on July 03, 2018, 02:30:55 PM
One of my sons is 23 and been on his own since leaving for college. When he got his first job in his career, the company wasn't expected to babysit him and teach him how to be an adult. He was expected to be and act like an adult why performing his job.

I don't see that things should be any different for Williams simply because his career is basketball. Williams, like my son, has a career and should act accordingly. Be mature. Be early to work. Dedicate yourself to your profession. Be held accountable for you actions.

The first few days of problems in Robert Williams career lies squarely at the feet of Robert Williams. Not the Celtics.
Title: Re: A 20 yr old with maturity issues-i blame the team
Post by: SparzWizard on July 03, 2018, 02:33:19 PM
I blame his parents for not disciplining him growing up.
His parent are the ones who told him to stay another year in school because "he wasnt mature enough" for the NBA. They clearly are not the issue in trying to discipline/raise their son. This is on Williams alone

Then I agree. Williams is the problem.
Title: Re: A 20 yr old with maturity issues-i blame the team
Post by: SparzWizard on July 03, 2018, 02:34:20 PM
If Robert Williams was playing for Bill Belichick, he'll be gone in seconds.
Title: Re: A 20 yr old with maturity issues-i blame the team
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on July 03, 2018, 02:36:34 PM
I feel like this issue is increasing becoming a "get-off-my-lawn" generational issue between Boomers/Xers and Millenials.
Title: Re: A 20 yr old with maturity issues-i blame the team
Post by: CelticsElite on July 03, 2018, 02:39:04 PM
I feel like this issue is increasing becoming a "get-off-my-lawn" generational issue between Boomers/Xers and Millenials.
generations and millenials don't exist

They're made up meaningless terms by some guy who was trying to sell a book: https://youtu.be/-HFwok9SlQQ
Title: Re: A 20 yr old with maturity issues-i blame the team
Post by: Tr1boy on July 03, 2018, 02:39:45 PM
One of my sons is 23 and been on his own since leaving for college. When he got his first job in his career, the company wasn't expected to babysit him and teach him how to be an adult. He was expected to be and act like an adult why performing his job.

I don't see that things should be any different for Williams simply because his career is basketball. Williams, like my son, has a career and should act accordingly. Be mature. Be early to work. Dedicate yourself to your profession. Be held accountable for you actions.

The first few days of problems in Robert Williams career lies squarely at the feet of Robert Williams. Not the Celtics.

Good analogy

But has your son had previous jobs?

This could be RW first real job.... who knows

Hopefully he learns quick
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Big333223 on July 03, 2018, 02:47:36 PM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23986580/robert-williams-says-missing-celtics-practice-fault

https://www.masslive.com/celtics/index.ssf/2018/07/boston_celtics_rookie_robert_w_2.html

From the article:

Quote
Larranaga said, "He's been really, really good. Really focused. Picked up the points of emphasis that we had [Monday] in practice really well. Seems very coachable. Like we said, this is the beginning of the process for him and for the summer league team. Day 1 was good."

Later Larranaga added: "He's volleyball-spiking shots and catching the ball with his elbows. He can make an impact on both ends of the floor when he plays with great effort. He has that length and athleticism. I think he's a very unselfish player. That's really important in our system."

I'm optimistic that his problem isn't actually work ethic but more immaturity and general bone-headedness. That can get better.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Surferdad on July 03, 2018, 02:51:50 PM
He owns up:
https://youtu.be/GR4bkeloVbI
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: JHTruth on July 03, 2018, 03:47:49 PM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23986580/robert-williams-says-missing-celtics-practice-fault

https://www.masslive.com/celtics/index.ssf/2018/07/boston_celtics_rookie_robert_w_2.html

From the article:

Quote
Larranaga said, "He's been really, really good. Really focused. Picked up the points of emphasis that we had [Monday] in practice really well. Seems very coachable. Like we said, this is the beginning of the process for him and for the summer league team. Day 1 was good."

Later Larranaga added: "He's volleyball-spiking shots and catching the ball with his elbows. He can make an impact on both ends of the floor when he plays with great effort. He has that length and athleticism. I think he's a very unselfish player. That's really important in our system."

I'm optimistic that his problem isn't actually work ethic but more immaturity and general bone-headedness. That can get better.

You mean like a 20-year old across the country from his home?

I think he will be fine.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Roy H. on July 03, 2018, 03:52:50 PM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23986580/robert-williams-says-missing-celtics-practice-fault

https://www.masslive.com/celtics/index.ssf/2018/07/boston_celtics_rookie_robert_w_2.html

From the article:

Quote
Larranaga said, "He's been really, really good. Really focused. Picked up the points of emphasis that we had [Monday] in practice really well. Seems very coachable. Like we said, this is the beginning of the process for him and for the summer league team. Day 1 was good."

Later Larranaga added: "He's volleyball-spiking shots and catching the ball with his elbows. He can make an impact on both ends of the floor when he plays with great effort. He has that length and athleticism. I think he's a very unselfish player. That's really important in our system."

I'm optimistic that his problem isn't actually work ethic but more immaturity and general bone-headedness. That can get better.

You mean like a 20-year old across the country from his home?

I think he will be fine.

I think being away from home is what will help him. Both issues so far happened when he was at “home”, or in familiar surroundings.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: JHTruth on July 03, 2018, 04:15:40 PM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23986580/robert-williams-says-missing-celtics-practice-fault

https://www.masslive.com/celtics/index.ssf/2018/07/boston_celtics_rookie_robert_w_2.html

From the article:

Quote
Larranaga said, "He's been really, really good. Really focused. Picked up the points of emphasis that we had [Monday] in practice really well. Seems very coachable. Like we said, this is the beginning of the process for him and for the summer league team. Day 1 was good."

Later Larranaga added: "He's volleyball-spiking shots and catching the ball with his elbows. He can make an impact on both ends of the floor when he plays with great effort. He has that length and athleticism. I think he's a very unselfish player. That's really important in our system."

I'm optimistic that his problem isn't actually work ethic but more immaturity and general bone-headedness. That can get better.

You mean like a 20-year old across the country from his home?

I think he will be fine.

I think being away from home is what will help him. Both issues so far happened when he was at “home”, or in familiar surroundings.

Agree. Just needs to take up residence at the Auerbach Center and forget all distractions
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: csfansince60s on July 03, 2018, 07:12:10 PM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23986580/robert-williams-says-missing-celtics-practice-fault

https://www.masslive.com/celtics/index.ssf/2018/07/boston_celtics_rookie_robert_w_2.html

From the article:

Quote
Larranaga said, "He's been really, really good. Really focused. Picked up the points of emphasis that we had [Monday] in practice really well. Seems very coachable. Like we said, this is the beginning of the process for him and for the summer league team. Day 1 was good."

Later Larranaga added: "He's volleyball-spiking shots and catching the ball with his elbows. He can make an impact on both ends of the floor when he plays with great effort. He has that length and athleticism. I think he's a very unselfish player. That's really important in our system."

I'm optimistic that his problem isn't actually work ethic but more immaturity and general bone-headedness. That can get better.

You mean like a 20-year old across the country from his home?

I think he will be fine.

I think being away from home is what will help him. Both issues so far happened when he was at “home”, or in familiar surroundings.

I agree with this regarding surroundings.

For that same reason, I’m concerned about Sin City....hopefully he has a chaperone.
Title: Robert Williams makes two practices in a row
Post by: IDreamCeltics on July 04, 2018, 08:09:35 AM
Got to give credit where credit is due.  This kid hasn't missed a practice since Monday.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZPmQxonCfI

Title: Re: Robert Williams makes two practices in a row
Post by: Eja117 on July 04, 2018, 08:16:16 AM
This is an incredible development
Title: Re: Robert Williams makes two practices in a row
Post by: coco on July 04, 2018, 08:17:17 AM
He is a keeper  ;D
Title: Re: Robert Williams makes two practices in a row
Post by: Thruthelookingglass on July 04, 2018, 08:49:21 AM
Out of the hundreds of millions of people in America, only a select couple dozen have made it to two Celtics practices this summer.  Impressed!
Title: Re: Robert Williams makes two practices in a row
Post by: Androslav on July 04, 2018, 08:54:07 AM
As by the words of the great American philosopher NBA Jam: "He is on fire!"
Title: Re: Robert Williams makes two practices in a row
Post by: Csfan1984 on July 04, 2018, 08:59:44 AM
He's turned it around, rejoice!
Title: Re: Robert Williams makes two practices in a row
Post by: cltc5 on July 04, 2018, 09:20:09 AM
Is everyone done bashing this kid now? ::)
Title: Re: Robert Williams makes two practices in a row
Post by: BitterJim on July 04, 2018, 09:23:16 AM
I think we need a "Days since Robert Williams missed a team event" counter.

Hopefully we get to a full week before it goes back to 0
Title: Re: Robert Williams makes two practices in a row
Post by: csfansince60s on July 04, 2018, 10:20:07 AM
I get that all the dripping sarcasm in this thread is DESERVED, I do......

And I know that the kid has taken two bites of the proverbial apple.....

And I fear the summer league locale may be a distraction to him and he probably needs a chaperone there......

However, I trust that the Cs brass strongly disciplined him with words (as Williams alluded to).

Reading betweeen the lines, it sounds like there was some tough love there. Some ultimatums...We’ll see how he responds. There will be slip-ups, but I’m hoping for the best (sometimes I think some people want to see him screw up to prove they are right).

Doesn’t sound like he’s had much structure in his life.....he does now.

Title: Re: Robert Williams makes two practices in a row
Post by: Celtics4ever on July 04, 2018, 10:45:42 AM
Quote
And I know that the kid has taken two bites of the proverbial apple.....

This is absurd, management is happy he fell to us.   They know he needs structure and are aware of this stuff.   You act like he is in hot water, he's not!
Title: Re: Robert Williams makes two practices in a row
Post by: hwangjini_1 on July 04, 2018, 10:47:47 AM
I think we need a "Days since Robert Williams missed a team event" counter.

Hopefully we get to a full week before it goes back to 0
well, let's not set our bar too high.
Title: Re: Robert Williams makes two practices in a row
Post by: Redz on July 04, 2018, 11:21:00 AM
I'll be more impressed when he makes two FREE THROWS in a row.
Title: Re: Robert Williams makes two practices in a row
Post by: Ogaju on July 04, 2018, 11:22:17 AM
Come on folks, we are talking about practice!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=5&v=tknXRyUEJtU

Wait till he actually makes a game, folks.
Title: structure arriving
Post by: rollie mass on July 04, 2018, 11:37:13 AM
Williams high school assistant coach and a  high level trainer supplied by his agency are moving in with him.Now that's structure.Someone from home not family and a personal trainer that will get him eating and sleeping right.This was from CLNS Jeff Goodman
Now that is PROACTIVE and will allow him to grow roots and bond with players.It takes time
-After  first couple of days of scrutiny and pressure and not knowing anything about city with no friends yet. He tried to jam a trip back home.Maybe see his friends ,tell some stories ,maybe visit a girlfriend.
Must have felt like a good plan-no harm no foul just an expense and a plane ride.
Title: Re: structure arriving
Post by: Eddie20 on July 04, 2018, 11:49:53 AM
I think it's pretty alarming that Williams needs a full time babysitter. Because you can call it what you want, but that's pretty much what he's getting.
Title: Re: structure arriving
Post by: hodgy03038 on July 04, 2018, 11:51:35 AM
I think it's pretty alarming that Williams needs a full time babysitter. Because you can call it what you want, but that's pretty much what he's getting.

I can live with him having a babysitter until he matures.
Title: Re: structure arriving
Post by: CelticsElite on July 04, 2018, 11:58:40 AM
Good. Reminds me of when the kings drafted cousins then hired his high school coach
Title: Re: structure arriving
Post by: Fred Roberts on July 04, 2018, 12:05:27 PM
When and where we drafted him reminded me of Sean Williams, another 6'10" high flier with personality question marks. I get the sense that Rob is in a better place, based on nothing more than gut.
Title: Re: Robert Williams makes two practices in a row
Post by: footey on July 04, 2018, 12:06:37 PM
Come on folks, we are talking about practice!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=5&v=tknXRyUEJtU

Wait till he actually makes a game, folks.

AI wearing Red Sox cap during practice rant LOL.
Title: Re: structure arriving
Post by: Neurotic Guy on July 04, 2018, 12:08:10 PM
I think it's pretty alarming that Williams needs a full time babysitter. Because you can call it what you want, but that's pretty much what he's getting.

Of course it’s concerning, but sounds like providing structure and human contact with positive role models is the best they can do right now and I’m glad they are doing it.   While early signs may not be trending the right way, Williams is young and could be highly influenced by positive team culture.  Celtics have a bunch of potentially great role models, young and older.... hope he connects.
Title: Re: structure arriving
Post by: rollie mass on July 04, 2018, 12:08:31 PM
I think your a stalker and a baiter.
Jason is a sophisticated kid has his mother in the same building.And out of nowhere he is a father.
I would have this set up for any young player and was forewarned of maturity issues.
The kid maybe big but is new to Northeast and from a one traffic light town.
If you are going to draft kids without interviews with maturity issues or really young -you are going to get kids.
I think a sports psychologist should have an office in the training facility-the pressure on these big kids is immense Fultz forgot to shoot-Philly has had the most experience with big kids and red shirted most of them.Simmons is now a Kardashion.

Title: Re: structure arriving
Post by: JHTruth on July 04, 2018, 12:13:28 PM
I think it's pretty alarming that Williams needs a full time babysitter. Because you can call it what you want, but that's pretty much what he's getting.

Tatum lives with his mom. It's not that unusual...
Title: Re: structure arriving
Post by: ImShakHeIsShaq on July 04, 2018, 12:27:40 PM
I think it's pretty alarming that Williams needs a full time babysitter. Because you can call it what you want, but that's pretty much what he's getting.

Tatum lives with his mom. It's not that unusual...

She lives on another floor. A lot of people still live at home in their 20s unless they move on for schooling/family. A lot of different cultures keep families together forever, parent cares for you then you and your husband or son and wife take in the parents when it's time. A lot of these young NBA players could use more structure and counseling so maybe most of them wouldn't end up broke and struggling (substance abusers), after their NBA career.
Title: Re: structure arriving
Post by: ederson on July 04, 2018, 12:29:16 PM
I think it's pretty alarming that Williams needs a full time babysitter. Because you can call it what you want, but that's pretty much what he's getting.

Tatum lives with his mom. It's not that unusual...


I don't think that Tatum was forced to live with him mother to keep him in order.
Title: Re: structure arriving
Post by: Emmette Bryant on July 04, 2018, 12:33:12 PM
I think it's pretty alarming that Williams needs a full time babysitter. Because you can call it what you want, but that's pretty much what he's getting.

So do you think that an immature 20 year old from Texas should move to Boston and live by himself and not get any help?

Title: Re: structure arriving
Post by: colincb on July 04, 2018, 12:34:07 PM
I think it's pretty alarming that Williams needs a full time babysitter. Because you can call it what you want, but that's pretty much what he's getting.

Tatum lives with his mom. It's not that unusual...


I don't think that Tatum was forced to live with him mother to keep him in order.

Think it has more to do with love than need.
Title: Re: Robert Williams makes two practices in a row
Post by: Chris22 on July 04, 2018, 12:37:50 PM
Ah, Celtic fans, always so supportive.
Title: Re: structure arriving
Post by: Eddie20 on July 04, 2018, 12:41:20 PM
I think it's pretty alarming that Williams needs a full time babysitter. Because you can call it what you want, but that's pretty much what he's getting.

So do you think that an immature 20 year old from Texas should move to Boston and live by himself and not get any help?

I think it speaks to his level of immaturity.
Title: Re: structure arriving
Post by: Neurotic Guy on July 04, 2018, 12:43:22 PM
I think it's pretty alarming that Williams needs a full time babysitter. Because you can call it what you want, but that's pretty much what he's getting.

I actually missed the “babysitter” line in my first read/response.   Strange that you’d use the most negative interpretation possible — wait, you could have said “prison guard”.  Is it possible that you are unaware that some 20 year-olds need more external support than other 20 year olds?   An issue as old as humankind, and especially relevant in today’s world.   Some respond well and others don’t, but hopefully we’ll be smiling about this 10 years from now.
Title: Re: structure arriving
Post by: keevsnick on July 04, 2018, 01:06:16 PM
To be honest call it immaturity or whatever else you want, kid is 20 years old and Kids that age tend to be immature. If this is a step towards helping him grow up thats fine.
Title: Re: structure arriving
Post by: Ogaju on July 04, 2018, 01:43:08 PM
Good. Reminds me of when the kings drafted cousins then hired his high school coach

how did that work out?
Title: Re: structure arriving
Post by: Ogaju on July 04, 2018, 01:50:27 PM
I think it's pretty alarming that Williams needs a full time babysitter. Because you can call it what you want, but that's pretty much what he's getting.

Tatum lives with his mom. It's not that unusual...

She lives on another floor. A lot of people still live at home in their 20s unless they move on for schooling/family. A lot of different cultures keep families together forever, parent cares for you then you and your husband or son and wife take in the parents when it's time. A lot of these young NBA players could use more structure and counseling so maybe most of them wouldn't end up broke and struggling (substance abusers), after their NBA career.

This.
Title: Re: structure arriving
Post by: saltlover on July 04, 2018, 01:55:23 PM
Good. Reminds me of when the kings drafted cousins then hired his high school coach

how did that work out?

From an off-court perspective, just fine until the Kings signed Matt Barnes.
Title: Re: Robert Williams makes two practices in a row
Post by: Scintan on July 04, 2018, 01:59:02 PM
Is everyone done bashing this kid now? ::)

I sure hope not.
Title: Re: structure arriving
Post by: Raul C on July 04, 2018, 02:03:03 PM
There is absolutely wrong with realizing there is a problem or deficiency and fixing it. 

As long as he himself acknowledges it and is on-board this is a good move.

Title: Re: Robert Williams makes two practices in a row
Post by: Eja117 on July 04, 2018, 02:04:06 PM
Leave it to the people of New England to give him a participation trophy for showing up on his 2nd and 3rd days of work. 
Title: Re: structure arriving
Post by: Scintan on July 04, 2018, 02:08:49 PM
I find it amusing to watch some of you defending Williams by basically attacking all 20 year olds.  "Well, what do you expect?  He's only 20." is an interesting theory that gets proven wrong by millions of 20 year olds every day, but that's the hill people are dying on around here, rather than just admitting that the kid's a problem beyond standard age-related issues.  It's not as if all the other draftees are having the same problems, after all, but that's getting ignored in the fervor to defend a kid that you'd be slamming for doing this if it wasn't for the jersey he's now wearing.

Good stuff.
Title: Re: Robert Williams makes two practices in a row
Post by: SHAQATTACK on July 04, 2018, 02:21:46 PM
He sems backard and vry immature ....most young men are not Jalen Brown mature or smar.  I did alot of stupid stuff from 16-20 too.   I used to be more hard on kids . But im able to take a softer mindset on things like his behavior.  He is just not mature yet,  hopefully he realizes there are consequences for being unresposible and he learns this sooner than latter.    Maube Jayen , Marcus , and Jason can influence him.
Title: Re: Robert Williams makes two practices in a row
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on July 04, 2018, 02:22:19 PM
Ah, Celtic fans, always so supportive.

I know, right?

I'd suggest that CelticsBlog listen to THIS classic and let it marinate within its consciousness.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBT1neIA0tc

Folks comparing what he's done to Liangelo's incident, LOL....allegations that he ate someone's kids...I  even heard he hijacked a Space Shuttle.....

I suggest we ask FBI and CIA to tail him.

Title: Re: Robert Williams makes two practices in a row
Post by: Big333223 on July 04, 2018, 02:36:01 PM
Come on folks, we are talking about practice!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=5&v=tknXRyUEJtU

Wait till he actually makes a game, folks.

Missed opportunity to Rob Williams. He should've come out in that first press conference and recited the whole thing. Would've been hilarious.

I love this thread, btw. I want a running count all season. BitterJim's idea for a "Days since Robert Williams missed a team event" counter is perfect.
Title: Re: Robert Williams makes two practices in a row
Post by: Beat LA on July 04, 2018, 02:41:08 PM
Looks like he's already changed his hairdo back to the Buffalo Wild Wings arrangement/format/pattern thingy, lol ::) ;D. #Progress
Title: Re: Robert Williams makes two practices in a row
Post by: Sophomore on July 04, 2018, 02:44:37 PM
Come on folks, we are talking about practice!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=5&v=tknXRyUEJtU

Wait till he actually makes a game, folks.

Missed opportunity to Rob Williams. He should've come out in that first press conference and recited the whole thing. Would've been hilarious.



The Iverson press conference was 16 years ago(!) Williams would have been, what, 3-4 years old?
Title: Re: structure arriving
Post by: hwangjini_1 on July 04, 2018, 02:48:28 PM
dont we already have 2 or 3 "lets all Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. about/cheer on williams" threads already?

mods, maybe merge these all on williams?
Title: Re: structure arriving
Post by: Beat LA on July 04, 2018, 02:50:58 PM
I find it amusing to watch some of you defending Williams by basically attacking all 20 year olds.  "Well, what do you expect?  He's only 20." is an interesting theory that gets proven wrong by millions of 20 year olds every day, but that's the hill people are dying on around here, rather than just admitting that the kid's a problem beyond standard age-related issues.  It's not as if all the other draftees are having the same problems, after all, but that's getting ignored in the fervor to defend a kid that you'd be slamming for doing this if it wasn't for the jersey he's now wearing.

Good stuff.

That can't possibly be correct. Are said 20 year olds not millennials? ;) ;D
Title: Re: structure arriving
Post by: cman88 on July 04, 2018, 03:04:58 PM
20 or not, being able to play in the NBA is a privilege that few get. There are guys putting in hard work in the D-league just to get a 10 day contract.

It doesnt bode well for williams that he needs a babysitter. Does he have the work ethic to make himself a good player? Because all the talent in the world will get you nowhere without the work ethic. and I'm not seeing it right now.
Title: Re: structure arriving
Post by: GetLucky on July 04, 2018, 03:13:50 PM
#TrustTheStructure
Title: Re: structure arriving
Post by: Big333223 on July 04, 2018, 03:20:59 PM
It would be nice to hear that some of his older teammates have taken him under their wing once the season starts, too. Who's a better role model than Al Horford?

In the meantime, whatever helps. The worry would be that he's immature because his people back home haven't given him the structure he needs so bringing in folks from back home isn't going to help much.

But we'll see. I'm not going to worry until there's something to worry about.
Title: Re: structure arriving
Post by: GratefulCs on July 04, 2018, 03:23:09 PM
I think it's pretty alarming that Williams needs a full time babysitter. Because you can call it what you want, but that's pretty much what he's getting.
whatever


he's making the right choices NOW

and that's what matters
Title: Re: structure arriving
Post by: JHTruth on July 04, 2018, 03:30:28 PM
I find it amusing to watch some of you defending Williams by basically attacking all 20 year olds.  "Well, what do you expect?  He's only 20." is an interesting theory that gets proven wrong by millions of 20 year olds every day, but that's the hill people are dying on around here, rather than just admitting that the kid's a problem beyond standard age-related issues.  It's not as if all the other draftees are having the same problems, after all, but that's getting ignored in the fervor to defend a kid that you'd be slamming for doing this if it wasn't for the jersey he's now wearing.

Good stuff.

I don't see these grave "problems" everyone talks about. He missed a media ring kissing session and a flight to get back to practice. Waaaaaayyy overblown
Title: Re: structure arriving
Post by: erisred on July 04, 2018, 03:32:35 PM
Good. Reminds me of when the kings drafted cousins then hired his high school coach

how did that work out?
Really well. Yes, Cousins, by all accounts, is a jerk with a temper, but he's not dead or disabled from drink or drugs and he does appear to stay in shape, make it to practices, and plays well in games.
Title: Re: structure arriving
Post by: Ogaju on July 04, 2018, 03:39:25 PM
Good. Reminds me of when the kings drafted cousins then hired his high school coach

how did that work out?
Really well. Yes, Cousins, by all accounts, is a jerk with a temper, but he's not dead or disabled from drink or drugs and he does appear to stay in shape, make it to practices, and plays well in games.

You also failed to mention he is no longer in Sacramento though he was on a bargain contract.
Title: Re: structure arriving
Post by: Onslaught on July 04, 2018, 03:51:21 PM
He's the 27th pick. Until he shows me something to make me believe he should be in the NBA I really don't care about hearing about him this much. Bone head or not he'll probably be gone sooner then later.
Title: Re: structure arriving
Post by: droopdog7 on July 04, 2018, 04:02:47 PM
I think it's pretty alarming that Williams needs a full time babysitter. Because you can call it what you want, but that's pretty much what he's getting.
Yup. The fact that he needs a babysitter is all you need to know.
Title: Re: structure arriving
Post by: Neurotic Guy on July 04, 2018, 04:12:16 PM
I find it amusing to watch some of you defending Williams by basically attacking all 20 year olds.  "Well, what do you expect?  He's only 20." is an interesting theory that gets proven wrong by millions of 20 year olds every day, but that's the hill people are dying on around here, rather than just admitting that the kid's a problem beyond standard age-related issues.  It's not as if all the other draftees are having the same problems, after all, but that's getting ignored in the fervor to defend a kid that you'd be slamming for doing this if it wasn't for the jersey he's now wearing.

Good stuff.

But you don't really seem amused.   And what's more, you are wrong.  First off, the posts above (OK, I'll just defend my own) don't attack all 20 year old's -- that's your cynical interpretation and it's inaccurate.   Also, you are wrong if you think that typcial 20 year olds don't vary pretty dramatically (especially males) in terms of the development of executive functions -- which does a pretty good job of explaing why some 20 year olds are ready for independent living while other's aren't.  I raised 2 kids (in mid/late 20's now) -- both great people, both headed for successful/responsible lives.  Yet, they were significantly different from one another at 20.

But... you can be amused at the message above and think that it is an attack on all 20 year olds even when it isn't at all. 
Title: Re: structure arriving
Post by: bellerephon on July 04, 2018, 04:17:54 PM
I think it's pretty alarming that Williams needs a full time babysitter. Because you can call it what you want, but that's pretty much what he's getting.
Yup. The fact that he needs a babysitter is all you need to know.

I think alarming is too strong a word. It's not ideal, but as long as he responds well it could be just fine. We knew maturity was likely an issue, let's see what happens.
Title: Re: structure arriving
Post by: playdream on July 04, 2018, 04:59:39 PM
Miss your first conference call plus your first summer league practice
or
Miss most of your shots in a ECF game 7, the biggest game of your life (so far)

I am far more worried about the later, to be honest
Title: Re: structure arriving
Post by: Eddie20 on July 04, 2018, 05:03:53 PM
Miss your first conference call plus your first summer league practice
or
Miss most of your shots in a ECF game 7

I am far more worried about the later, to be honest

Or be late to an ECF game 7 because he overslept

Again, the kid has a lot of talent, but these type of immaturity issues + becoming a millionaire aren't a good combination.
Title: Re: structure arriving
Post by: JHTruth on July 04, 2018, 05:19:38 PM
He's the 27th pick. Until he shows me something to make me believe he should be in the NBA I really don't care about hearing about him this much. Bone head or not he'll probably be gone sooner then later.

He's waaaay more talented than your average 27 pick big man though. Most of the time they're plodders like Perk and Zizic.
Title: Re: structure arriving
Post by: Eddie20 on July 04, 2018, 05:43:44 PM
It's a reoccurring theme, which makes it so concerning.



“Everyone was looking at it as the money, the money,” Robert Williams Jr. said yesterday after his son’s introductory news conference. “Well, the money wasn’t the most important thing. The most important thing was growth and maturity. That’s the reason for that — we didn’t care about the money.”

He had to grow up, and showed why at the start of his sophomore year.

Williams and two other Aggies were suspended for what was described as a violation of team rules. Though Admon Gilder and D.J. Hogg were benched for an exhibition game, Williams’ penalty was stiffer. He was suspended for the first two regular-season games.

“Just being a kid, not wanting to listen was basically what it boiled down to. That was it,” said the elder Williams.

“It wasn’t so much working on his game. It was his maturity level,” said Robert Williams Jr. “He wasn’t mature enough and I felt like he needed another year to grow and become a better young man. Decision-making was a priority, and I couldn’t be there every day. It was important that I had him go back for another year to mature, and it worked out."
Title: Re: structure arriving
Post by: Scintan on July 04, 2018, 05:45:12 PM
I find it amusing to watch some of you defending Williams by basically attacking all 20 year olds.  "Well, what do you expect?  He's only 20." is an interesting theory that gets proven wrong by millions of 20 year olds every day, but that's the hill people are dying on around here, rather than just admitting that the kid's a problem beyond standard age-related issues.  It's not as if all the other draftees are having the same problems, after all, but that's getting ignored in the fervor to defend a kid that you'd be slamming for doing this if it wasn't for the jersey he's now wearing.

Good stuff.

I don't see these grave "problems" everyone talks about. He missed a media ring kissing session and a flight to get back to practice. Waaaaaayyy overblown

If his only problems were those two items, he'd have been a lottery pick.
Title: Re: structure arriving
Post by: Scintan on July 04, 2018, 05:50:43 PM
I find it amusing to watch some of you defending Williams by basically attacking all 20 year olds.  "Well, what do you expect?  He's only 20." is an interesting theory that gets proven wrong by millions of 20 year olds every day, but that's the hill people are dying on around here, rather than just admitting that the kid's a problem beyond standard age-related issues.  It's not as if all the other draftees are having the same problems, after all, but that's getting ignored in the fervor to defend a kid that you'd be slamming for doing this if it wasn't for the jersey he's now wearing.

Good stuff.

But you don't really seem amused.   And what's more, you are wrong.  First off, the posts above (OK, I'll just defend my own) don't attack all 20 year old's -- that's your cynical interpretation and it's inaccurate.   Also, you are wrong if you think that typcial 20 year olds don't vary pretty dramatically (especially males) in terms of the development of executive functions -- which does a pretty good job of explaing why some 20 year olds are ready for independent living while other's aren't.  I raised 2 kids (in mid/late 20's now) -- both great people, both headed for successful/responsible lives.  Yet, they were significantly different from one another at 20.

But... you can be amused at the message above and think that it is an attack on all 20 year olds even when it isn't at all.

I am amused, and it's you who is wrong.  Scouts noted his issues as a problem.  His old coach noted it.  Even his old man acknowledges it.  People defending it are making themselves look ridiculous, and it's funny as hell, because this is a hill nobody should be bothering to defend, yet people such as yourself are trying, instead of just accepting the reality and moving on.


And most people who've hit 20 years old can figure out alarm clocks and flight times without the need of roommates and babysitters.

Have a nice day.
Title: Re: structure arriving
Post by: Dino Pitino on July 04, 2018, 05:52:12 PM
I find it amusing to watch some of you defending Williams by basically attacking all 20 year olds.  "Well, what do you expect?  He's only 20." is an interesting theory that gets proven wrong by millions of 20 year olds every day, but that's the hill people are dying on around here, rather than just admitting that the kid's a problem beyond standard age-related issues.  It's not as if all the other draftees are having the same problems, after all, but that's getting ignored in the fervor to defend a kid that you'd be slamming for doing this if it wasn't for the jersey he's now wearing.

Good stuff.

I don't see these grave "problems" everyone talks about. He missed a media ring kissing session and a flight to get back to practice. Waaaaaayyy overblown

This. Way, way, way overblown.
Title: Re: structure arriving
Post by: Hoopvortex on July 04, 2018, 05:53:13 PM
Williams high school assistant coach and a  high level trainer supplied by his agency are moving in with him. Now that's structure.

Good for him. Building a team is a way of creating accountability for yourself. Even now it might not be clear to him just how hard he’ll have to work, and that high school coach might not get it yet either - it’s certain that that guy has never performed at the NBA level, in any case, and his learning curve will be as steep as Williams’.

Getting a support structure around you is necessary to succeed at this level - but not sufficient. Better that it not be family or high school buds, but there’s no rule (Mama Tatum shows that!). What works is people who are as committed to your success as you are.

Encouraging. At any rate it doesn’t sound like it’s going to be a party house.
Title: Re: structure arriving
Post by: tazzmaniac on July 04, 2018, 05:55:19 PM
It's a reoccurring theme, which makes it so concerning.



“Everyone was looking at it as the money, the money,” Robert Williams Jr. said yesterday after his son’s introductory news conference. “Well, the money wasn’t the most important thing. The most important thing was growth and maturity. That’s the reason for that — we didn’t care about the money.”

He had to grow up, and showed why at the start of his sophomore year.

Williams and two other Aggies were suspended for what was described as a violation of team rules. Though Admon Gilder and D.J. Hogg were benched for an exhibition game, Williams’ penalty was stiffer. He was suspended for the first two regular-season games.

“Just being a kid, not wanting to listen was basically what it boiled down to. That was it,” said the elder Williams.

“It wasn’t so much working on his game. It was his maturity level,” said Robert Williams Jr. “He wasn’t mature enough and I felt like he needed another year to grow and become a better young man. Decision-making was a priority, and I couldn’t be there every day. It was important that I had him go back for another year to mature, and it worked out."
Pretty much all 20 year old males need to mature.  Williams did get suspended but then didn't get into any more trouble.  D.J. Hogg, who was mentioned, ended up getting suspended again.  One of their guards ended up getting kicked off the team.  Williams is in a much better situation now. 
Title: Re: structure arriving
Post by: Eddie20 on July 04, 2018, 06:16:32 PM
It's a reoccurring theme, which makes it so concerning.



“Everyone was looking at it as the money, the money,” Robert Williams Jr. said yesterday after his son’s introductory news conference. “Well, the money wasn’t the most important thing. The most important thing was growth and maturity. That’s the reason for that — we didn’t care about the money.”

He had to grow up, and showed why at the start of his sophomore year.

Williams and two other Aggies were suspended for what was described as a violation of team rules. Though Admon Gilder and D.J. Hogg were benched for an exhibition game, Williams’ penalty was stiffer. He was suspended for the first two regular-season games.

“Just being a kid, not wanting to listen was basically what it boiled down to. That was it,” said the elder Williams.

“It wasn’t so much working on his game. It was his maturity level,” said Robert Williams Jr. “He wasn’t mature enough and I felt like he needed another year to grow and become a better young man. Decision-making was a priority, and I couldn’t be there every day. It was important that I had him go back for another year to mature, and it worked out."
Pretty much all 20 year old males need to mature.  Williams did get suspended but then didn't get into any more trouble.  D.J. Hogg, who was mentioned, ended up getting suspended again.  One of their guards ended up getting kicked off the team.  Williams is in a much better situation now.

Agreed. However, Williams needs to mature more than most. We've had a pretty good culture here, particularly since Stevens took the helm. In fact, this is the first rookie we've selected, while under Stevens, with baggage. That coupled with his two mishaps right out of the gate didn't help alleviate concerns.
Title: Re: structure arriving
Post by: byennie on July 04, 2018, 06:21:27 PM
I find it amusing to watch some of you defending Williams by basically attacking all 20 year olds.  "Well, what do you expect?  He's only 20." is an interesting theory that gets proven wrong by millions of 20 year olds every day, but that's the hill people are dying on around here, rather than just admitting that the kid's a problem beyond standard age-related issues.  It's not as if all the other draftees are having the same problems, after all, but that's getting ignored in the fervor to defend a kid that you'd be slamming for doing this if it wasn't for the jersey he's now wearing.

Good stuff.

But you don't really seem amused.   And what's more, you are wrong.  First off, the posts above (OK, I'll just defend my own) don't attack all 20 year old's -- that's your cynical interpretation and it's inaccurate.   Also, you are wrong if you think that typcial 20 year olds don't vary pretty dramatically (especially males) in terms of the development of executive functions -- which does a pretty good job of explaing why some 20 year olds are ready for independent living while other's aren't.  I raised 2 kids (in mid/late 20's now) -- both great people, both headed for successful/responsible lives.  Yet, they were significantly different from one another at 20.

But... you can be amused at the message above and think that it is an attack on all 20 year olds even when it isn't at all.

I am amused, and it's you who is wrong.  Scouts noted his issues as a problem.  His old coach noted it.  Even his old man acknowledges it.  People defending it are making themselves look ridiculous, and it's funny as hell, because this is a hill nobody should be bothering to defend, yet people such as yourself are trying, instead of just accepting the reality and moving on.


And most people who've hit 20 years old can figure out alarm clocks and flight times without the need of roommates and babysitters.

Have a nice day.
You're amused, because you're arguing against a straw man. Nobody is claiming the kid is overly mature. Nobody is denying that many 20 year-olds are more responsible than him. Nobody is on a hilltop saying he doesn't deserve any criticism at all.

All people are really saying, is that everything he's done so far is within a reasonably normal range for a kid from a small town who's never had much serious responsibility beyond playing a little college basketball. Not good, just not that unusual and many times will turn out fine with a little help. How many NBA stars right now are you sure were total consummate professionals at 20?

As for the babysitter thing, talk about another overreaction. How many young picks with zero issues have had mom move in with them, and it gets tossed around like some heartwarming story? Playing NBA basketball for millions of dollars IS more responsibility than most 20 year-olds have. The fact that it's a lot of money doesn't just magically work that out or make a human being instantly adjust to living on their own.

The reality I'm noticing is that some people take a lot of pleasure in ridiculing a kid they really know nothing about, who hasn't done a single serious bad thing. Yes, we can all see that he's off to a bad start with attendance. Whether you are anyone else was more punctual as a 20 year-old is not that intriguing.
Title: Re: structure arriving
Post by: Celtics4ever on July 04, 2018, 06:28:03 PM
Quote
“Just being a kid, not wanting to listen was basically what it boiled down to. That was it,” said the elder Williams.

Getting paid to listen can make a big difference.
Title: Re: structure arriving
Post by: Ogaju on July 04, 2018, 06:49:41 PM
One thing we should all be able to agree on here is that the young man is probably better off with those posters that show concern than those that think this is not a big deal let it go.

The lack of attention to character and responsible behavior is what fosters irresponsible behavior. Let it go is quite possibly the worst response.

The fact, that there are people moving him with him is proof positive that those around him see that he needs help. He needs help because there is a problem.

I think the folks with concerns win this one.
Title: Re: structure arriving
Post by: Neurotic Guy on July 04, 2018, 08:21:10 PM
I find it amusing to watch some of you defending Williams by basically attacking all 20 year olds.  "Well, what do you expect?  He's only 20." is an interesting theory that gets proven wrong by millions of 20 year olds every day, but that's the hill people are dying on around here, rather than just admitting that the kid's a problem beyond standard age-related issues.  It's not as if all the other draftees are having the same problems, after all, but that's getting ignored in the fervor to defend a kid that you'd be slamming for doing this if it wasn't for the jersey he's now wearing.

Good stuff.

But you don't really seem amused.   And what's more, you are wrong.  First off, the posts above (OK, I'll just defend my own) don't attack all 20 year old's -- that's your cynical interpretation and it's inaccurate.   Also, you are wrong if you think that typcial 20 year olds don't vary pretty dramatically (especially males) in terms of the development of executive functions -- which does a pretty good job of explaing why some 20 year olds are ready for independent living while other's aren't.  I raised 2 kids (in mid/late 20's now) -- both great people, both headed for successful/responsible lives.  Yet, they were significantly different from one another at 20.

But... you can be amused at the message above and think that it is an attack on all 20 year olds even when it isn't at all.

I am amused, and it's you who is wrong.  Scouts noted his issues as a problem.  His old coach noted it.  Even his old man acknowledges it.  People defending it are making themselves look ridiculous, and it's funny as hell, because this is a hill nobody should be bothering to defend, yet people such as yourself are trying, instead of just accepting the reality and moving on.


And most people who've hit 20 years old can figure out alarm clocks and flight times without the need of roommates and babysitters.

Have a nice day.

Does no good to say you are wrong again (btw absolutely no one here is predicting Williams will make it —  just leaving the door open).

And I really hope you had a good day and have a good night.   I miss your posts and hope you are back to posting regularly.
Title: Re: structure arriving
Post by: wiley on July 04, 2018, 09:14:24 PM
I think it's pretty alarming that Williams needs a full time babysitter. Because you can call it what you want, but that's pretty much what he's getting.
Yup. The fact that he needs a babysitter is all you need to know.

Is this your end game?  I mean, what is the point of your post? 
Title: Re: structure arriving
Post by: wiley on July 04, 2018, 09:17:31 PM
I find it amusing to watch some of you defending Williams by basically attacking all 20 year olds.  "Well, what do you expect?  He's only 20." is an interesting theory that gets proven wrong by millions of 20 year olds every day, but that's the hill people are dying on around here, rather than just admitting that the kid's a problem beyond standard age-related issues.  It's not as if all the other draftees are having the same problems, after all, but that's getting ignored in the fervor to defend a kid that you'd be slamming for doing this if it wasn't for the jersey he's now wearing.

Good stuff.


But you don't really seem amused.   And what's more, you are wrong.  First off, the posts above (OK, I'll just defend my own) don't attack all 20 year old's -- that's your cynical interpretation and it's inaccurate.   Also, you are wrong if you think that typcial 20 year olds don't vary pretty dramatically (especially males) in terms of the development of executive functions -- which does a pretty good job of explaing why some 20 year olds are ready for independent living while other's aren't.  I raised 2 kids (in mid/late 20's now) -- both great people, both headed for successful/responsible lives.  Yet, they were significantly different from one another at 20.

But... you can be amused at the message above and think that it is an attack on all 20 year olds even when it isn't at all.

Yup.  TP.  My sister almost died at 20 from combining speed and alcohol.  Emergency room...all that..She went on to be a consultant in a law firm, community philanthropist, church deacon, and a devoted mom of two A students...  We should have just thrown her in the bad egg basket though and wiped our hands of her...
Title: Re: structure arriving
Post by: Ogaju on July 04, 2018, 09:20:59 PM
I find it amusing to watch some of you defending Williams by basically attacking all 20 year olds.  "Well, what do you expect?  He's only 20." is an interesting theory that gets proven wrong by millions of 20 year olds every day, but that's the hill people are dying on around here, rather than just admitting that the kid's a problem beyond standard age-related issues.  It's not as if all the other draftees are having the same problems, after all, but that's getting ignored in the fervor to defend a kid that you'd be slamming for doing this if it wasn't for the jersey he's now wearing.

Good stuff.


But you don't really seem amused.   And what's more, you are wrong.  First off, the posts above (OK, I'll just defend my own) don't attack all 20 year old's -- that's your cynical interpretation and it's inaccurate.   Also, you are wrong if you think that typcial 20 year olds don't vary pretty dramatically (especially males) in terms of the development of executive functions -- which does a pretty good job of explaing why some 20 year olds are ready for independent living while other's aren't.  I raised 2 kids (in mid/late 20's now) -- both great people, both headed for successful/responsible lives.  Yet, they were significantly different from one another at 20.

But... you can be amused at the message above and think that it is an attack on all 20 year olds even when it isn't at all.

Yup.  TP.  My sister almost died at 20 from combining speed and alcohol.  Emergency room...all that..She went on to be a consultant in a law firm, community philanthropist, church deacon, and a devoted mom of two A students...  We should have just thrown her in the bad egg basket though and wiped our hands of her...

who took her to the ER and what all is in that 'all that'?
Title: Re: structure arriving
Post by: wiley on July 04, 2018, 09:27:31 PM
I find it amusing to watch some of you defending Williams by basically attacking all 20 year olds.  "Well, what do you expect?  He's only 20." is an interesting theory that gets proven wrong by millions of 20 year olds every day, but that's the hill people are dying on around here, rather than just admitting that the kid's a problem beyond standard age-related issues.  It's not as if all the other draftees are having the same problems, after all, but that's getting ignored in the fervor to defend a kid that you'd be slamming for doing this if it wasn't for the jersey he's now wearing.

Good stuff.


But you don't really seem amused.   And what's more, you are wrong.  First off, the posts above (OK, I'll just defend my own) don't attack all 20 year old's -- that's your cynical interpretation and it's inaccurate.   Also, you are wrong if you think that typcial 20 year olds don't vary pretty dramatically (especially males) in terms of the development of executive functions -- which does a pretty good job of explaing why some 20 year olds are ready for independent living while other's aren't.  I raised 2 kids (in mid/late 20's now) -- both great people, both headed for successful/responsible lives.  Yet, they were significantly different from one another at 20.

But... you can be amused at the message above and think that it is an attack on all 20 year olds even when it isn't at all.

Yup.  TP.  My sister almost died at 20 from combining speed and alcohol.  Emergency room...all that..She went on to be a consultant in a law firm, community philanthropist, church deacon, and a devoted mom of two A students...  We should have just thrown her in the bad egg basket though and wiped our hands of her...

who took her to the ER and what all is in that 'all that'?

her friends took her.  Stomach pumped while unconscious...
Title: Re: structure arriving
Post by: ImShakHeIsShaq on July 04, 2018, 11:10:01 PM
One thing we should all be able to agree on here is that the young man is probably better off with those posters that show concern than those that think this is not a big deal let it go.

The lack of attention to character and responsible behavior is what fosters irresponsible behavior. Let it go is quite possibly the worst response.

The fact, that there are people moving him with him is proof positive that those around him see that he needs help. He needs help because there is a problem.

I think the folks with concerns win this one.

You know he doesn't know you or any of us, right? It doesn't matter how we feel about him, we have no control. we can say the nicest or meanest things and he will still do w/e he wants to do. Everyone has pretty much agreed he needs help, the only disagreement I see, is whether it makes him different than many other young people. A lot of young people do dumb things and most honest people will tell you that they did stupid things when they were young that would be seen as much worse than missing a call and flight. We all want him to get it together and prosper.

The true differences for him is the "world" is watching and social media. Some of the best players ever, did far worse than this dude. I don't like how he's acting, no doubt about it, but I know immaturity is nothing new.
Title: Re: structure arriving
Post by: byennie on July 05, 2018, 12:32:29 AM
One thing we should all be able to agree on here is that the young man is probably better off with those posters that show concern than those that think this is not a big deal let it go.

The lack of attention to character and responsible behavior is what fosters irresponsible behavior. Let it go is quite possibly the worst response.

The fact, that there are people moving him with him is proof positive that those around him see that he needs help. He needs help because there is a problem.

I think the folks with concerns win this one.

Win what? There's literally nobody here saying he shouldn't get structure and help. Get off your high horse about responsible behavior. People are simply reacting to the hot take that he's on drugs or doomed to flunk out of the NBA, not debating that he needs some assistance and carries some risk.
Title: Re: structure arriving
Post by: RockinRyA on July 05, 2018, 12:56:45 AM
Good. Reminds me of when the kings drafted cousins then hired his high school coach

how did that work out?
Really well. Yes, Cousins, by all accounts, is a jerk with a temper, but he's not dead or disabled from drink or drugs and he does appear to stay in shape, make it to practices, and plays well in games.

You also failed to mention he is no longer in Sacramento though he was on a bargain contract.

FYI Cousins was a model citizen in Sacramento. He is beloved by the community. Also, players get traded, whether you attend practices or not. You cannot cite Cousins as an example that getting help doesnt work. For all we know, he mightve been worse without it,
Title: Re: structure arriving
Post by: DooVoo on July 05, 2018, 01:29:48 AM
One thing we should all be able to agree on here is that the young man is probably better off with those posters that show concern than those that think this is not a big deal let it go.

The lack of attention to character and responsible behavior is what fosters irresponsible behavior. Let it go is quite possibly the worst response.

The fact, that there are people moving him with him is proof positive that those around him see that he needs help. He needs help because there is a problem.

I think the folks with concerns win this one.

He is a young rookie coming into a league of men and will need guidance like every other player entering the NBA. Back off a little and climb down off the ledge with this "he has a problem" stuff. No one won anything. This isn't a game. He was the #27th pick in the draft. The Celtics aren't going to be built around him. They will take it slow with him. Maybe we shouldn't be spending our 4th of July psychoanalyzing someone we know nothing about. We are just fans.
Title: Re: structure arriving
Post by: Ogaju on July 05, 2018, 01:57:49 AM
Good. Reminds me of when the kings drafted cousins then hired his high school coach

how did that work out?
Really well. Yes, Cousins, by all accounts, is a jerk with a temper, but he's not dead or disabled from drink or drugs and he does appear to stay in shape, make it to practices, and plays well in games.

You also failed to mention he is no longer in Sacramento though he was on a bargain contract.

FYI Cousins was a model citizen in Sacramento. He is beloved by the community. Also, players get traded, whether you attend practices or not. You cannot cite Cousins as an example that getting help doesnt work. For all we know, he mightve been worse without it,

phenomenal basketball player had no offers and had to call a team to lobby for employment at a bargain basement price. Yeah all that help he got really worked. Look I dont know how you reached the conclusion that I am against getting help for players. I am not. 
Title: Re: structure arriving
Post by: smokeablount on July 05, 2018, 02:08:49 AM
I find it amusing to watch some of you defending Williams by basically attacking all 20 year olds.  "Well, what do you expect?  He's only 20." is an interesting theory that gets proven wrong by millions of 20 year olds every day, but that's the hill people are dying on around here, rather than just admitting that the kid's a problem beyond standard age-related issues.  It's not as if all the other draftees are having the same problems, after all, but that's getting ignored in the fervor to defend a kid that you'd be slamming for doing this if it wasn't for the jersey he's now wearing.

Good stuff.

Does the other old man Muppet in the balcony get sad when you leave to go log into Celticsblog?
Title: Re: structure arriving
Post by: smokeablount on July 05, 2018, 02:12:45 AM
Good. Reminds me of when the kings drafted cousins then hired his high school coach

how did that work out?
Really well. Yes, Cousins, by all accounts, is a jerk with a temper, but he's not dead or disabled from drink or drugs and he does appear to stay in shape, make it to practices, and plays well in games.

You also failed to mention he is no longer in Sacramento though he was on a bargain contract.

Is that more or less relevant than him being an all star?
Title: Re: structure arriving
Post by: smokeablount on July 05, 2018, 02:34:04 AM
Good. Reminds me of when the kings drafted cousins then hired his high school coach

how did that work out?
Really well. Yes, Cousins, by all accounts, is a jerk with a temper, but he's not dead or disabled from drink or drugs and he does appear to stay in shape, make it to practices, and plays well in games.

You also failed to mention he is no longer in Sacramento though he was on a bargain contract.

FYI Cousins was a model citizen in Sacramento. He is beloved by the community. Also, players get traded, whether you attend practices or not. You cannot cite Cousins as an example that getting help doesnt work. For all we know, he mightve been worse without it,

phenomenal basketball player had no offers and had to call a team to lobby for employment at a bargain basement price. Yeah all that help he got really worked. Look I dont know how you reached the conclusion that I am against getting help for players. I am not.

Lol bro, how’s the humidity on Mars? Cousins and his lack of offers MIGHT, just might, have something to do with him weighing 280 and catastrophically tearing his ACL. Just maybe.
Title: Re: A 20 yr old with maturity issues-i blame the team
Post by: YoungOne87 on July 05, 2018, 03:05:12 AM
Do we really need another Robert Williams thread?

It's rollies new man crush.
You will see plenty more  ;)
Title: Re: A 20 yr old with maturity issues-i blame the team
Post by: tenn_smoothie on July 05, 2018, 04:52:28 AM
I feel like this issue is increasing becoming a "get-off-my-lawn" generational issue between Boomers/Xers and Millenials.

Please don't insult Baby Boomers, children of America's greatest generation, by lumping them in with the Gen-Xers. The Xers and their screwed up values are just as deplorable as the Millenials.
Title: Moritz Wagner vs. Robert Williams
Post by: YoungOne87 on July 05, 2018, 06:10:06 AM
Hello guys,

as a german myself, I wondered if Danny would have picked Wagner over Williams if he was still available at 27.

I didn't watch any college games, so I don't really know much about them.

I would like to know what you guys think.

Thanks.  :)
Title: Re: structure arriving
Post by: rollie mass on July 05, 2018, 06:20:33 AM
This was a simple solution to a problem that was a result of no interviews, no tryouts and the dropping down to an unexpected level.The allure of his athleticism made this pick
His agent is supplying a trainer and an ex coach from his hometown as roommates.
Jayson had his mother and Brown his best friend.Colleges have dorms and a campus
.Yabuselle had a minder in China
The kid now has a chance.
Danny can set the price of his rookie contract there is a high side as well lower on rookie scale contracts.The agent obviously wants to hold his clients above and wants his client to succeed long term.
Danny has an investment from the time he called his name .
And us fans would like him to be our shot blocking center of future.

Larranaga has already praised Williams ability to pick things up and be coached as well as dunking.That's a start probably the easy part
Then after Summer League he will have time to find his way around Boston and bond with some of the younger players and vets.







Title: Re: Moritz Wagner vs. Robert Williams
Post by: Celtics4ever on July 05, 2018, 06:28:26 AM
I think Wagner is skilled already but he is limited by his athletic base.   Wiliams is the opposite with tons of potential, but low skill, a lot of guys never realize their potential, though.  But if he does he will be the better player but there is no guarantee that he will.
Title: Re: A 20 yr old with maturity issues-i blame the team
Post by: Celtics4ever on July 05, 2018, 06:31:54 AM
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I feel like this issue is increasing becoming a "get-off-my-lawn" generational issue between Boomers/Xers and Millenials.

Gen Xer here and I believe he team should deal with it but most everyone at that age has maturity issues.  Is this what you expected.  BTW, at least my generation has lawns and doesn't still live with my parents...JK
Title: Re: Moritz Wagner vs. Robert Williams
Post by: DrJasper on July 05, 2018, 06:33:28 AM
I think he still would have picked Williams because of his upside. Moritz Wagner will never be able to switch onto guards. I love Wagner and think he will be a good player, but Williams has the POTENTIAL to anchor a no. 1 Defense!
Where are you from? I'm from Wagners hometown Berlin and have seen him play with alba berlin some years ago, he was so thin back than I could have never imagined he would go to the Nba :D

Grüße aus Berlin! Go Celtics
Title: Re: structure arriving
Post by: Hoopvortex on July 05, 2018, 06:56:28 AM
Good. Reminds me of when the kings drafted cousins then hired his high school coach

how did that work out?
Really well. Yes, Cousins, by all accounts, is a jerk with a temper, but he's not dead or disabled from drink or drugs and he does appear to stay in shape, make it to practices, and plays well in games.

You also failed to mention he is no longer in Sacramento though he was on a bargain contract.

FYI Cousins was a model citizen in Sacramento. He is beloved by the community. Also, players get traded, whether you attend practices or not. You cannot cite Cousins as an example that getting help doesnt work. For all we know, he mightve been worse without it,

phenomenal basketball player had no offers and had to call a team to lobby for employment at a bargain basement price. Yeah all that help he got really worked. Look I dont know how you reached the conclusion that I am against getting help for players. I am not.

Lol bro, how’s the humidity on Mars? Cousins and his lack of offers MIGHT, just might, have something to do with him weighing 280 and catastrophically tearing his ACL. Just maybe.

Ruptured his Achilles‘ tendon, not ACL. It’s usually a career killer.
Title: Re: Moritz Wagner vs. Robert Williams
Post by: saltlover on July 05, 2018, 06:56:41 AM
I watched Wagner play maybe 40 times in college.  I disagree to an extent about Wagner’s athleticism.  He has enough of it for the NBA level, although Williams clearly has more.

Wagner’s problem is that he reacts very slowly on defense — it just doesn’t come to him naturally.  This makes him look physically slow, as he’s a half step behind the play.  But it gets him out of position on defense, and he tries to compensate by flailing at players and picking up fouls.

If you think that’s correctable, Wagner could be better, because he’d become at least an average defender while being the vastly superior offensive player.  That said, I don’t think it’s correctable enough.  The college game was too fast for him at times, and the NBA is much quicker than college.  I don’t think Ainge would have selected Wagner if both had been available at #27.
Title: Re: Moritz Wagner vs. Robert Williams
Post by: greece66 on July 05, 2018, 07:01:47 AM
Not my thoughts but those of an internet acquaintance who follows German bball closely:

"I think Moritz Wagner is going to be a very good role player
 Mo has "very good" weaknesses
 Mo's weaknesses are athleticism and defense which have less to do with talent more with hard work
 Offensive skills have more to do with talent, you can still train them, but it's much harder
 His biggest strength is the pick and pop game
He has the height and he has the throw to chuck over even the big boys in the NBA
 His throw reminds of Dirk Nowitzki
The motion and looking at his release (which isn't the quickest tbh) really reminds me of his
 His transition game is really good as well
 He's not the fastest or the most explosive (even though he has a good first step) but he has a good game sense for reading and knowing what he has to do
When the rebounds of his own team get snatched, most of the time he will be already at the half court line
 He's not the fastest but he switches the fastest
 The fewest college players are good defenders, Bamba being one of the exceptions ...
 Give Wagner a good coach who works with him on the athletics and defense and Wagner becomes one of the better NBA players
 I don't want to say All-Star, it's too early to say, if his chances were big he would have been drafted earlier
His potential: Julius Randle, Jabari Parker, Serge Ibaka
 Overall of course he will never be as good a defender as Ibaka but he has the edge offensively."
Title: Re: A 20 yr old with maturity issues-i blame the team
Post by: ChillyWilly on July 05, 2018, 07:29:29 AM
I feel like this issue is increasing becoming a "get-off-my-lawn" generational issue between Boomers/Xers and Millenials.

Please don't insult Baby Boomers, children of America's greatest generation, by lumping them in with the Gen-Xers. The Xers and their screwed up values are just as deplorable as the Millenials.

Baby Boomers despite inheriting the greatest manufacturing economy in the worlds history you found a way to give all our jobs away to "increase the bottom line"

You sold out Gen X and Y so that you may grow old and profitable at our expense. You're the first generation in American history that had it better than your parents and your children.

Remember when you could buy a house and earn your way into that engineering job by your mid 20s without a bachelors degree? Ya I don't because that reality didn't exist for me!

History will not look kindly at what your generation did in America.
Title: Re: Moritz Wagner vs. Robert Williams
Post by: Big333223 on July 05, 2018, 07:37:04 AM
I watched very little of him but when I did, the first guy who came into my head was Henry Ellenson. So there's that.
Title: Re: Moritz Wagner vs. Robert Williams
Post by: footey on July 05, 2018, 07:57:04 AM
I watched Wagner play maybe 40 times in college.  I disagree to an extent about Wagner’s athleticism.  He has enough of it for the NBA level, although Williams clearly has more.

Wagner’s problem is that he reacts very slowly on defense — it just doesn’t come to him naturally.  This makes him look physically slow, as he’s a half step behind the play.  But it gets him out of position on defense, and he tries to compensate by flailing at players and picking up fouls.

If you think that’s correctable, Wagner could be better, because he’d become at least an average defender while being the vastly superior offensive player.  That said, I don’t think it’s correctable enough.  The college game was too fast for him at times, and the NBA is much quicker than college.  I don’t think Ainge would have selected Wagner if both had been available at #27.

I think Ainge would still have selected Williams too.

I did not watch Wagner play much in college, just some in the tourney. But watching him in his first summer league game, where the speed is much closer to the NBA than college, the game did not look too fast to him at all, particularly on offense. He was very aggressive, and able to get his shot off. I was impressed. He seemed to keep up on defense too, the Bagley posterizer notwithstanding.
Title: Re: Moritz Wagner vs. Robert Williams
Post by: saltlover on July 05, 2018, 08:21:47 AM
I watched Wagner play maybe 40 times in college.  I disagree to an extent about Wagner’s athleticism.  He has enough of it for the NBA level, although Williams clearly has more.

Wagner’s problem is that he reacts very slowly on defense — it just doesn’t come to him naturally.  This makes him look physically slow, as he’s a half step behind the play.  But it gets him out of position on defense, and he tries to compensate by flailing at players and picking up fouls.

If you think that’s correctable, Wagner could be better, because he’d become at least an average defender while being the vastly superior offensive player.  That said, I don’t think it’s correctable enough.  The college game was too fast for him at times, and the NBA is much quicker than college.  I don’t think Ainge would have selected Wagner if both had been available at #27.

I think Ainge would still have selected Williams too.

I did not watch Wagner play much in college, just some in the tourney. But watching him in his first summer league game, where the speed is much closer to the NBA than college, the game did not look too fast to him at all, particularly on offense. He was very aggressive, and able to get his shot off. I was impressed. He seemed to keep up on defense too, the Bagley posterizer notwithstanding.

The game is not too fast for him on offense.  He’s terrific on that end.  It is on defense.  When he’s playing someone one on one in the post he can be okay, although he’ll still bite for fakes.  When he’s defending someone face up, or has to position himself to guard his man while getting ready to help, he gets in trouble.  And it isn’t from positioning — he’s in the right spot. But when the ball moves he just has this hesitation before making his next move, and then it’s too late.  I’m not sure that will show up as much in summer league because the offenses don’t have much sophistication in account of only have a few days of practice (although you’ll still see it at times when he’s guarding someone off the dribble).

He’s going to be the weak link on most defenses.  He made a lot of improvement last year in his positioning, but that hesitation remained, and it’s something I don’t think is fixable.
Title: Re: Moritz Wagner vs. Robert Williams
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on July 05, 2018, 08:21:56 AM
Contrary to common opinion, Ainge and Stevens do not want "shooters." They want complete basketball players who can dribble-drive, shoot, pass, and defend multiple positions.

Wagner probably doesn't get on the court because of his slow feet and reaction times -- look at Greg Monroe.
Title: Re: Moritz Wagner vs. Robert Williams
Post by: saltlover on July 05, 2018, 08:24:24 AM
I watched very little of him but when I did, the first guy who came into my head was Henry Ellenson. So there's that.

How Ellenson can be a 6’11 PF/C and have only one block in nearly 500 minutes for his career is beyond me.
Title: Re: Moritz Wagner vs. Robert Williams
Post by: Roy H. on July 05, 2018, 08:26:34 AM
I think Stevens said that Danny had Williams targeted from the mid-teens onward, and was hoping he would slide.
Title: Re: Moritz Wagner vs. Robert Williams
Post by: gouki88 on July 05, 2018, 08:35:13 AM
I think Stevens said that Danny had Williams targeted from the mid-teens onward, and was hoping he would slide.
Yeah, I remember them saying they expected him gone at #17 (or around there)
Title: Re: A 20 yr old with maturity issues-i blame the team
Post by: Wretch on July 05, 2018, 08:51:01 AM
Though an interesting post topic can we please keep that basketball topics about basketball.

This isn't a generational thing. All young adults need mentoring. I wasn't ready to be a manager/leader coming out of college. I was lucky enough to to find mentors that helped me move past my immaturity and the delusional self confidence of my youth.  To expect a 20 years old, who hasn't even graduated from college to be a fully formed professional isn't realistic. RW may be making more public mistakes than other young players that the Celtics have drafted his mistakes can be learning experiences for him. I will withhold judgement for now but he is not trending in a positive direction. Hopefully once he is engaged in basketball activities full time and around pros pros like Horford he will figure it out.  There's a reason he fell, athletes with his measurables are not typically available that late in the draft. We need to be patient and trust Brad and Danny.
Title: Re: structure arriving
Post by: rollie mass on July 05, 2018, 09:20:35 AM
This type of creative support will not go unnoticed theway the Celtics brought on Jaylen and,Jason and Semi.Now Williams.
Not only are vets getting better and careers re invigorated.
The handling of Robert will impact Kyrie as it shows the quality of organization and will go along way to sooth over Isaiah treatment.
Mental issues are now a NBA concern with Kevin Love stepping up.
Then there is Philly and their miserable track record of draft picks and treatment of Okafor and Nerlens Noel these choices culminated with Fultz forgetting how to shoot and red shirting of Embid,Simmons and Fultz.
Now Simmons is becoming a Kardashian before he can shoot..

The Celtics need to draft a sports psychologist although Brad fits the bill along with Horford.
The players are coming in young with baggage and walking into millions and the glare of social media-
Title: Re: A 20 yr old with maturity issues-i blame the team
Post by: Celtics4ever on July 05, 2018, 09:30:52 AM
Folks are making a mountain over a mole hill.  Are you upset you're draft blinkie did not get picked ?   Looking for any flaws in the guy we picked to make you feel better?

Trust me, you don't need to look far or make up stuff once you see his shot you will have all the ammo you need.   But this kid is still an amazing physical talent.  Looking forward to seeing some dunks and blocks!   Hoping being good peeps will help him not become James Young the 2nd.

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You sold out Gen X and Y so that you may grow old and profitable at our expense. You're the first generation in American history that had it better than your parents and your children.

Most generations had it better than their parents up to now.   This still can be true, but folks take so much time blaming others than righting their ship.   My wife had no one in her family who was educated, she is a PhD.  My mom was a nurse and my father uneducated and I have a Master's Degree.   I think we are just as well off as they in the long because we used education to balance the scales.   Not everyone can do that.   But we did this by planning and not wasting time blaming others, it's pointless.  My daughter took the education route and she has her masters by 24 and making good money.  My son is going to be a policeman.   Both of them are on decent economic footing because I viewed my job as a father to get my kids ready for the world and teach them to be independent.
Title: Re: structure arriving
Post by: Ogaju on July 05, 2018, 09:54:06 AM
Good. Reminds me of when the kings drafted cousins then hired his high school coach

how did that work out?
Really well. Yes, Cousins, by all accounts, is a jerk with a temper, but he's not dead or disabled from drink or drugs and he does appear to stay in shape, make it to practices, and plays well in games.

You also failed to mention he is no longer in Sacramento though he was on a bargain contract.

FYI Cousins was a model citizen in Sacramento. He is beloved by the community. Also, players get traded, whether you attend practices or not. You cannot cite Cousins as an example that getting help doesnt work. For all we know, he mightve been worse without it,

phenomenal basketball player had no offers and had to call a team to lobby for employment at a bargain basement price. Yeah all that help he got really worked. Look I dont know how you reached the conclusion that I am against getting help for players. I am not.

Lol bro, how’s the humidity on Mars? Cousins and his lack of offers MIGHT, just might, have something to do with him weighing 280 and catastrophically tearing his ACL. Just maybe.

if that makes you feel better about why no team or players wanted him,
Title: Re: structure arriving
Post by: tazzmaniac on July 05, 2018, 09:56:19 AM
This type of creative support will not go unnoticed theway the Celtics brought on Jaylen and,Jason and Semi.Now Williams.
Not only are vets getting better and careers re invigorated.
The handling of Robert will impact Kyrie as it shows the quality of organization and will go along way to sooth over Isaiah treatment.
Mental issues are now a NBA concern with Kevin Love stepping up.
Then there is Philly and their miserable track record of draft picks and treatment of Okafor and Nerlens Noel these choices culminated with Fultz forgetting how to shoot and red shirting of Embid,Simmons and Fultz.
Now Simmons is becoming a Kardashian before he can shoot..

The Celtics need to draft a sports psychologist although Brad fits the bill along with Horford.
The players are coming in young with baggage and walking into millions and the glare of social media-
I'm going to ignore the rest of the nonsense in your post but how in the heck do you throw Embiid into it.  Embiid missed two seasons due to a foot injury which occurred in college.  Now that he's recovered Embiid has established himself as arguably the best center and a top 10 player in the NBA in 100 games.  Embiid is an unmitigated success story. 
Title: Re: structure arriving
Post by: Ogaju on July 05, 2018, 09:59:38 AM
One thing we should all be able to agree on here is that the young man is probably better off with those posters that show concern than those that think this is not a big deal let it go.

The lack of attention to character and responsible behavior is what fosters irresponsible behavior. Let it go is quite possibly the worst response.

The fact, that there are people moving him with him is proof positive that those around him see that he needs help. He needs help because there is a problem.

I think the folks with concerns win this one.

Win what? There's literally nobody here saying he shouldn't get structure and help. Get off your high horse about responsible behavior. People are simply reacting to the hot take that he's on drugs or doomed to flunk out of the NBA, not debating that he needs some assistance and carries some risk.

win what? the debate of course. You guys are having a debate if you had not notice. Some have said nothing to see here he is just 20 move on. Some are saying there is a concern that could end badly. Perhaps the debate would have ended earlier if some of you actually realized you were in a debate.
Title: Re: structure arriving
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on July 05, 2018, 09:59:39 AM
dont we already have 2 or 3 "lets all **** about/cheer on williams" threads already?

mods, maybe merge these all on williams?

my question is why does rollie have to start a new thread WITH NO LINK mind you for every single thought that pops in his head? Why can he not just add to existing threads?? Seems to be an attention seeker.
Title: Re: structure arriving
Post by: bellerephon on July 05, 2018, 10:10:27 AM
One thing we should all be able to agree on here is that the young man is probably better off with those posters that show concern than those that think this is not a big deal let it go.

The lack of attention to character and responsible behavior is what fosters irresponsible behavior. Let it go is quite possibly the worst response.

The fact, that there are people moving him with him is proof positive that those around him see that he needs help. He needs help because there is a problem.

I think the folks with concerns win this one.

Win what? There's literally nobody here saying he shouldn't get structure and help. Get off your high horse about responsible behavior. People are simply reacting to the hot take that he's on drugs or doomed to flunk out of the NBA, not debating that he needs some assistance and carries some risk.

win what? the debate of course. You guys are having a debate if you had not notice. Some have said nothing to see here he is just 20 move on. Some are saying there is a concern that could end badly. Perhaps the debate would have ended earlier if some of you actually realized you were in a debate.

I haven't counted, but I don't think too many people are saying there's nothing to see. Clearly there is a maturity issue, I think most people see that and agree that it's not ideal. The debate seems to be between those who think that it's an issue that can be addressed and the kid has a decent chance of becoming a useful NBA player, and those who think he's a lost cause because of his lack of maturity.

Personally I don't find it at all unusual that a 20 year old would show a lack of maturity. I certainly agree that there are plenty of young people that are mature and responsible, but I don't think that means he is a lost cause. People can grow and mature. The Celts are implementing some steps to help him with that process. That's a perfectly reasonable thing for them to do.
Title: Re: A 20 yr old with maturity issues-i blame the team
Post by: kraidstar on July 05, 2018, 10:15:28 AM
Folks are making a mountain over a mole hill.  Are you upset you're draft blinkie did not get picked ?   Looking for any flaws in the guy we picked to make you feel better?

Trust me, you don't need to look far or make up stuff once you see his shot you will have all the ammo you need.   But this kid is still an amazing physical talent.  Looking forward to seeing some dunks and blocks!   Hoping being good peeps will help him not become James Young the 2nd.

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You sold out Gen X and Y so that you may grow old and profitable at our expense. You're the first generation in American history that had it better than your parents and your children.

Most generations had it better than their parents up to now.   This still can be true, but folks take so much time blaming others than righting their ship.   My wife had no one in her family who was educated, she is a PhD.  My mom was a nurse and my father uneducated and I have a Master's Degree.   I think we are just as well off as they in the long because we used education to balance the scales.   Not everyone can do that.   But we did this by planning and not wasting time blaming others, it's pointless.  My daughter took the education route and she has her masters by 24 and making good money.  My son is going to be a policeman.   Both of them are on decent economic footing because I viewed my job as a father to get my kids ready for the world and teach them to be independent.
You're right that mentality plays a big part of success.

But let's not pretend that the noose hasn't been tightening around the necks of the poor and the middle class. Because it has. just walk down the street and see all the giant chain stores everywhere. Those used to be small businesses where a person could make a respectable living with their dignity intact. Now they funnel money into the pockets of corporate parasites and trust fund babies who have never done an honest day's work in their lives.

It's true it's possible to escape poverty. It's also true that a poor person has very little room for error. My family's fortunes was derailed by catastrophic health issues when I was very young. I'm lucky I've gotten to where I am now. Very lucky. A lot of people couldn't have navigated what I went through, and that's not necessarily their fault.

This country is failing at putting people in a position to succeed.
Title: Re: A 20 yr old with maturity issues-i blame the team
Post by: bellerephon on July 05, 2018, 10:19:21 AM
One of my sons is 23 and been on his own since leaving for college. When he got his first job in his career, the company wasn't expected to babysit him and teach him how to be an adult. He was expected to be and act like an adult why performing his job.

I don't see that things should be any different for Williams simply because his career is basketball. Williams, like my son, has a career and should act accordingly. Be mature. Be early to work. Dedicate yourself to your profession. Be held accountable for you actions.

The first few days of problems in Robert Williams career lies squarely at the feet of Robert Williams. Not the Celtics.

I agree that Williams needs to be more responsible and do his job. I also agree that most employers would not be willing to babysit their employees (although it does happen with unusually talented employees). It is also true, however, that professional athletes are in a different category. If a guy has talent, teams will go out of their way to bring him along.

 An extreme example was Josh Hamilton. He was out of MLB due to drug and alcohol abuse. He was able to make a comeback and had some very productive years partially due to the extreme support that the teams set up for him, including a babysitter that was with him most of the time.

Now, Williams is no where near Hamilton either in terms of his issues or his talent, but if a little support can help him realize his talent and contribute to the Celtics I have no problem with that. I'm not dismissing the issue or saying there's nothing to see. It's a concern. But I do think that some people are blowing it out of proportion.
Title: Re: A 20 yr old with maturity issues-i blame the team
Post by: cltc5 on July 05, 2018, 10:25:25 AM
One of my sons is 23 and been on his own since leaving for college. When he got his first job in his career, the company wasn't expected to babysit him and teach him how to be an adult. He was expected to be and act like an adult why performing his job.

I don't see that things should be any different for Williams simply because his career is basketball. Williams, like my son, has a career and should act accordingly. Be mature. Be early to work. Dedicate yourself to your profession. Be held accountable for you actions.

The first few days of problems in Robert Williams career lies squarely at the feet of Robert Williams. Not the Celtics.

Are adults sometimes late to work, make mistakes on the job? Etc...  guess what being an adult takes practice.  Some people spend a lifetime doing it.  Just because your of a certain age doesn’t mean that the adult genie suddenly grants you special adult powers.  It’s a combo of experiences, environment, and biology.  Step down from your high horse.
Title: Re: structure arriving
Post by: Eddie20 on July 05, 2018, 10:25:56 AM
dont we already have 2 or 3 "lets all **** about/cheer on williams" threads already?

mods, maybe merge these all on williams?

my question is why does rollie have to start a new thread WITH NO LINK mind you for every single thought that pops in his head? Why can he not just add to existing threads?? Seems to be an attention seeker.

lol

No clue. I've wondered the same thing as it only causes other, much more relevant topics, to be drowned out because silly topics like Semi boxing out on a free throw attempt or Nader is ambidextrous exist. I would put money that the OP will be creating a lot of Williams' threads this season.
Title: Re: structure arriving
Post by: spikelovetheCelts on July 05, 2018, 10:29:48 AM
I think it's pretty alarming that Williams needs a full time babysitter. Because you can call it what you want, but that's pretty much what he's getting.

I can live with him having a babysitter until he matures.
Jayson Tatum's mom lives two floors away from him. What do you call that?
Title: Re: A 20 yr old with maturity issues-i blame the team
Post by: Sketch5 on July 05, 2018, 10:41:36 AM
One of my sons is 23 and been on his own since leaving for college. When he got his first job in his career, the company wasn't expected to babysit him and teach him how to be an adult. He was expected to be and act like an adult why performing his job.

I don't see that things should be any different for Williams simply because his career is basketball. Williams, like my son, has a career and should act accordingly. Be mature. Be early to work. Dedicate yourself to your profession. Be held accountable for you actions.

The first few days of problems in Robert Williams career lies squarely at the feet of Robert Williams. Not the Celtics.

Are adults sometimes late to work, make mistakes on the job? Etc...  guess what being an adult takes practice.  Some people spend a lifetime doing it.  Just because your of a certain age doesn’t mean that the adult genie suddenly grants you special adult powers.  It’s a combo of experiences, environment, and biology.  Step down from your high horse.

Agreed. Being from a small town, the athletes and kids of well off parents ran the show. If there was a party the athletes and wealthy kids would walk and other kids would take the fall. Some of them ended up in really bad situations once in college.

We don't know what Williams family structure was like, and being big dog in a small town, I'm sure he got what ever he wanted, and the same with college. Good adults are created on the most part, by their parents, and their surroundings. Not everyone gets to grow up the same. I also know kids that one grew up well and the other, not so much. Also new a kid that was the biggest $#@#$ in school and a few years after hichschool ended up being on of the nicest people you could come across. Also the person with the 5th highest GPA in my class ended up getting caught selling cocaine and had to go into witness protection for a few years while they rounded up their suppliers because they snitched. 

Some times a change in environment can do wonders for a person, for either good or bad.

If Williams doens't get it in Boston, there is a good chance he wont.
Title: Re: A 20 yr old with maturity issues-i blame the team
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on July 05, 2018, 10:43:32 AM
"Blame the team"....what a joke and it's the problem with the majority of the youth failing to take responsibility for their own actions. Blame others, never take accountability.


Masterpiece better grow up and quick!

BINGO!
Title: Re: structure arriving
Post by: Vermont Green on July 05, 2018, 11:04:17 AM
A 20 year old from Texas gets drafted and has to move to Boston and start his new job basically the next day.  I am all for building a support system around these guys (meaning rookies in general).  If his high school assistant coach or trainer or whatever is the right thing, great.  I see no shame whatsoever in the fact that this is needed for this particular player.  He is probably going to have trouble just balancing his checkbook and paying his bills once the season kicks it (which for him is right off).  He seems to be willing to accept the help.  Great.  Now let's see if he can play at the NBA level.
Title: Re: structure arriving
Post by: Monkhouse on July 05, 2018, 11:07:56 AM
I think it's pretty alarming that Williams needs a full time babysitter. Because you can call it what you want, but that's pretty much what he's getting.

I can live with him having a babysitter until he matures.
Jayson Tatum's mom lives two floors away from him. What do you call that?

How I Met Your Mother.
Title: Re: A 20 yr old with maturity issues-i blame the team
Post by: PhoSita on July 05, 2018, 11:23:58 AM
I'm with Rollie on this one.

You invest a 1st round pick in a kid, you can afford to spend the resources to make sure he doesn't have to focus on anything except working on his game.  The team can afford to pay somebody $15 per hour to manage the details for him.

Forget about this being a matter of judging a person's character.  From a purely financial and team management perspective, the cost of making sure this kid doesn't have to manage the logistics of getting where he needs to be when he needs to be there is far less than the cost of him getting off to a bad start in the team program because those things don't happen.


Now, if the team did everything they could to offer him resources, help etc and he declined, wanted to do things his own way, have his own people help him etc and he was still late / missed his flight etc, then it's on him.
Title: Re: A 20 yr old with maturity issues-i blame the team
Post by: manl_lui on July 05, 2018, 11:27:55 AM
One of my sons is 23 and been on his own since leaving for college. When he got his first job in his career, the company wasn't expected to babysit him and teach him how to be an adult. He was expected to be and act like an adult why performing his job.

I don't see that things should be any different for Williams simply because his career is basketball. Williams, like my son, has a career and should act accordingly. Be mature. Be early to work. Dedicate yourself to your profession. Be held accountable for you actions.

The first few days of problems in Robert Williams career lies squarely at the feet of Robert Williams. Not the Celtics.

Are adults sometimes late to work, make mistakes on the job? Etc...  guess what being an adult takes practice.  Some people spend a lifetime doing it.  Just because your of a certain age doesn’t mean that the adult genie suddenly grants you special adult powers.  It’s a combo of experiences, environment, and biology.  Step down from your high horse.

i disagree with this, Williams should be held responsible, while i have hope for the kid but being prepared and being responsible, and being on time isn't taught as an adult but when you were kids. While I don't think this is as big of an issue as the media portrays it but we should't blame the team for him missing a flight and practice.
Title: Re: structure arriving
Post by: rollie mass on July 05, 2018, 11:33:16 AM
dont we already have 2 or 3 "lets all **** about/cheer on williams" threads already?

mods, maybe merge these all on williams?

my question is why does rollie have to start a new thread WITH NO LINK mind you for every single thought that pops in his head? Why can he not just add to existing threads?? Seems to be an attention seeker.

lol

No clue. I've wondered the same thing as it only causes other, much more relevant topics, to be drowned out because silly topics like Semi boxing out on a free throw attempt or Nader is ambidextrous exist. I would put money that the OP will be creating a lot of Williams' threads this season.

Nice-when that was posted CLNS had just done a video with jeff goodman with his up to the date reports and insights from his sources-CLNS and Jeff Goodman in the first post-
As to Nader being ambidextorous  that was when James Young couldn't go right hand off dribble or finish with his off hand.
It you go to reddit you will find a very polished link but only from 9hrs ago mine was yesterday and was very very current.Seems there is considerable interest in Robert Williams.
Title: Re: structure arriving
Post by: Verticality on July 05, 2018, 11:54:54 AM
dont we already have 2 or 3 "lets all **** about/cheer on williams" threads already?

mods, maybe merge these all on williams?

my question is why does rollie have to start a new thread WITH NO LINK mind you for every single thought that pops in his head? Why can he not just add to existing threads?? Seems to be an attention seeker.

It hasn't stopped you from posting comments, has it? If you don't like the thread, why keep it going?
Title: Re: structure arriving
Post by: Verticality on July 05, 2018, 11:56:01 AM
I think it's pretty alarming that Williams needs a full time babysitter. Because you can call it what you want, but that's pretty much what he's getting.

I can live with him having a babysitter until he matures.
Jayson Tatum's mom lives two floors away from him. What do you call that?

How I Met Your Mother.

This thread needed that.
Title: Re: A 20 yr old with maturity issues-i blame the team
Post by: Verticality on July 05, 2018, 12:11:33 PM
Where did the Celtics let this kid down.

Give the kid the support tools-that missed flight was like a scream for help.

This whole thing has gotten blown way out of proportion.

What he needs from the Celtics is being held accountable, and it looks like the team did that. He took responsibility for the breakdown.

Possible that it will happen again? Yes. Likely that it will be a chronic problem? No.

Let's play ball.
Title: Re: A 20 yr old with maturity issues-i blame the team
Post by: Hank Finkel on July 05, 2018, 12:12:35 PM
Williams should be held accountable for his actions.  This is why he wasn’t drafted until #27.  He has talent but he also has issues or he wouldn’t have dropped so low.  If he becomes accountable and matures properly as a professional this pick will be great.  If he doesn’t then we can look back and say this is why he dropped to us at 27.  I hope the young guys like Brown and Tatum can point Williams in the right direction but ultimately it falls on Williams shoulders to become a professional player and act as such in the process. 
Title: Re: structure arriving
Post by: smokeablount on July 05, 2018, 12:14:06 PM
Good. Reminds me of when the kings drafted cousins then hired his high school coach

how did that work out?
Really well. Yes, Cousins, by all accounts, is a jerk with a temper, but he's not dead or disabled from drink or drugs and he does appear to stay in shape, make it to practices, and plays well in games.

You also failed to mention he is no longer in Sacramento though he was on a bargain contract.

FYI Cousins was a model citizen in Sacramento. He is beloved by the community. Also, players get traded, whether you attend practices or not. You cannot cite Cousins as an example that getting help doesnt work. For all we know, he mightve been worse without it,

phenomenal basketball player had no offers and had to call a team to lobby for employment at a bargain basement price. Yeah all that help he got really worked. Look I dont know how you reached the conclusion that I am against getting help for players. I am not.

Lol bro, how’s the humidity on Mars? Cousins and his lack of offers MIGHT, just might, have something to do with him weighing 280 and catastrophically tearing his ACL. Just maybe.

if that makes you feel better about why no team or players wanted him,

That is literally why it happened. It wasn’t due to maturity or lack of support.
Title: Re: structure arriving
Post by: smokeablount on July 05, 2018, 12:22:15 PM
One thing we should all be able to agree on here is that the young man is probably better off with those posters that show concern than those that think this is not a big deal let it go.

The lack of attention to character and responsible behavior is what fosters irresponsible behavior. Let it go is quite possibly the worst response.

The fact, that there are people moving him with him is proof positive that those around him see that he needs help. He needs help because there is a problem.

I think the folks with concerns win this one.

Win what? There's literally nobody here saying he shouldn't get structure and help. Get off your high horse about responsible behavior. People are simply reacting to the hot take that he's on drugs or doomed to flunk out of the NBA, not debating that he needs some assistance and carries some risk.

win what? the debate of course. You guys are having a debate if you had not notice. Some have said nothing to see here he is just 20 move on. Some are saying there is a concern that could end badly. Perhaps the debate would have ended earlier if some of you actually realized you were in a debate.

I haven't counted, but I don't think too many people are saying there's nothing to see. Clearly there is a maturity issue, I think most people see that and agree that it's not ideal. The debate seems to be between those who think that it's an issue that can be addressed and the kid has a decent chance of becoming a useful NBA player, and those who think he's a lost cause because of his lack of maturity.

Personally I don't find it at all unusual that a 20 year old would show a lack of maturity. I certainly agree that there are plenty of young people that are mature and responsible, but I don't think that means he is a lost cause. People can grow and mature. The Celts are implementing some steps to help him with that process. That's a perfectly reasonable thing for them to do.

He clearly isn’t mature and no one is arguing that he is. Given his immaturity, we think getting some help is better for than not, and there really is no argument against that. If you’re salty, you’re salty that we drafted him at all. But there was no other potential future starter on the board, and he was BPA and at our position of greatest need. Plus we have a winning culture.

Cry all you want, it was a great pick. He’s definitely screwed up, but the whole point is the team is supposed to be here to help and guide him.

Lastly, most dissenters in here are displaying “immaturity” by assassinating the character of a poor 20 year old for missing a flight, or writing him off. Maybe some of you guys have “a problem” too.
Title: Re: A 20 yr old with maturity issues-i blame the team
Post by: mmmmm on July 05, 2018, 12:26:27 PM
One of my sons is 23 and been on his own since leaving for college. When he got his first job in his career, the company wasn't expected to babysit him and teach him how to be an adult. He was expected to be and act like an adult why performing his job.

I don't see that things should be any different for Williams simply because his career is basketball. Williams, like my son, has a career and should act accordingly. Be mature. Be early to work. Dedicate yourself to your profession. Be held accountable for you actions.

The first few days of problems in Robert Williams career lies squarely at the feet of Robert Williams. Not the Celtics.

Are adults sometimes late to work, make mistakes on the job? Etc...  guess what being an adult takes practice.  Some people spend a lifetime doing it.  Just because your of a certain age doesn’t mean that the adult genie suddenly grants you special adult powers.  It’s a combo of experiences, environment, and biology.  Step down from your high horse.

i disagree with this, Williams should be held responsible, while i have hope for the kid but being prepared and being responsible, and being on time isn't taught as an adult but when you were kids. While I don't think this is as big of an issue as the media portrays it but we should't blame the team for him missing a flight and practice.

What exactly does that mean, though "be held responsible"?  Some commenters seem to think he should be tarred and feathered.

Look, I'm not meaning to pick on your post in particular, but there are some misconceptions and some pretty harsh attitudes being expressed on this thread.

Let's start with being on time.    You assert that being on time " isn't taught as an adult but when you were kids".  But reality just isn't that simple.

Being on time is governed by your executive function faculties.   For those who aren't familiar with it, your executive function is your set of mental attributes that help you 'get things done'.  The ability to handle logistical tasks involving order, priority and time.   This is physiological.  It is controlled by the frontal lobe.

Executive Function Disorder is a very, very common aspect (one of a broad spectrum of symptoms) of various disorders such as ADD, ADHD, Asberger Syndrome, Anxiety, etc.

Executive Function Disorder can make it very difficult for otherwise highly functioning individuals 'stay on top of' things, like starting one's homework, remembering a meeting, doing tasks in proper order, etc.   And yes, keeping track of time.

I have a beloved loved one who struggles with EFD and even though he is an extremely high academic achiever (test scores through the roof, all As this last year), it is a constant, constant struggle for him to get his schoolwork done, to remember to get things done, to not waste tons of precious time sucked into video games, etc.   Heck, even needs to be reminded to brush his teeth.   He literally, and very simply, just needs someone to remind him what he should be doing at any point and he's fine.  Brilliant in fact.

I don't know if Robert Williams suffers from EFD.   But I do know it is extremely common and both these two incidents fit right in the wheelhouse of it.

It isn't a matter of 'bad character' or needing to be 'taught' responsibility.   If you ask someone with EFD about the importance of a schedule they totally understand.   If you ask them what the right priority of a set of things should be, they can tell you.    But that knowledge doesn't always translate into execution.   Because EFD lets other things get in the way.   Distractions pull at one's attention, push the schedule off to the side.  Also, EFD can cause you to overlook details.  Failure to note some details while vividly remembering others is common.

As a common symptom of ADHD, EFD is often helped by some medications.   Not always.   

Fortunately, a lot of these sorts of cognitive disfunction issues, being physiological, often get better on their own as the brain finally finishes development, usually around one's mid-20s.   Basically you can think of the brain as made of many parts, not all of which develop at the same rate for all kids.   It's not uncommon for ADHD kids to have some parts of their brain racing way ahead of their peers while other parts lag.     And it's also not uncommon for them to finally catch up with themselves in their mid-20s.

A 20 year old kid is not a finished adult.  Not even close.   The human brain doesn't finish growing until you are around 25 or so.

I guess I just wish folks would stop tossing out absolute moral judgements as if the poor kid got caught doing something objectively bad like stealing or beating up small kids or whatever.   Kids with EFD are not 'bad'.  They have a disability, no different than another kid missing an ear or hand.   Or bad eyesight.   The vast majority of the time all that is needed is correct accommodation and the kid can do everything needed or expected.

More than likely all he will need for a while is for an aide or handler to help him stay on his new routines, to not forget his next task or responsibility.   This will probably have zero affect on the basketball court.

Title: Re: A 20 yr old with maturity issues-i blame the team
Post by: Surferdad on July 05, 2018, 12:30:16 PM
Where did the Celtics let this kid down.

Give the kid the support tools-that missed flight was like a scream for help.

This whole thing has gotten blown way out of proportion.

What he needs from the Celtics is being held accountable, and it looks like the team did that. He took responsibility for the breakdown.

Possible that it will happen again? Yes. Likely that it will be a chronic problem? No.

Let's play ball.
Glad you feel this way, but I wouldn't go that far just yet.  No one has any basis to predict this, not even the Celtics.
Title: Re: A 20 yr old with maturity issues-i blame the team
Post by: tonydelk on July 05, 2018, 12:38:01 PM
There has been a lot of debate on this kid.  Seems more so then some of our high draft picks.  I agree that everyone should be accountable for their actions.  We control our behavior but some of us have better examples then others.  Kids that can play sports are held to a different standard then others.  It's a shame but it's the way of the world.  Some of the kids have great structure at home and others do not.  The one's that do not are the one's that need the most help when it comes to making it to the highest level.  What they do with it from that point is up to them but they need help.  Most have no clue how to go about being a professional.  Especially for a job when most likely you have never had one.

I hope he truly leans from his mistakes and learns how to be a professional.  I will commend him or whoever made the decision to give him support because it is needed.  We are all immature at that age and if we don't have guidance we can be set up for epic failure.  Only time will tell what kind of person this kid is or what kind of person he will become.  You don't get a lot of Jayson tatums and Jaylen Browns.  Marcus Smart is another.  Very high character and understand they have to work to get what they want.  Hopefully this rubs off of The big fella.  If it doesn't he will be out of the league or will bounce around a lot. 

Being the 27th pick in the draft it's a no brainer gamble to take on a team that doesn't need much.
Title: Re: A 20 yr old with maturity issues-i blame the team
Post by: rollie mass on July 05, 2018, 12:43:08 PM
One of my sons is 23 and been on his own since leaving for college. When he got his first job in his career, the company wasn't expected to babysit him and teach him how to be an adult. He was expected to be and act like an adult why performing his job.

I don't see that things should be any different for Williams simply because his career is basketball. Williams, like my son, has a career and should act accordingly. Be mature. Be early to work. Dedicate yourself to your profession. Be held accountable for you actions.

The first few days of problems in Robert Williams career lies squarely at the feet of Robert Williams. Not the Celtics.

Are adults sometimes late to work, make mistakes on the job? Etc...  guess what being an adult takes practice.  Some people spend a lifetime doing it.  Just because your of a certain age doesn’t mean that the adult genie suddenly grants you special adult powers.  It’s a combo of experiences, environment, and biology.  Step down from your high horse.

i disagree with this, Williams should be held responsible, while i have hope for the kid but being prepared and being responsible, and being on time isn't taught as an adult but when you were kids. While I don't think this is as big of an issue as the media portrays it but we should't blame the team for him missing a flight and practice.

What exactly does that mean, though "be held responsible"?  Some commenters seem to think he should be tarred and feathered.

Look, I'm not meaning to pick on your post in particular, but there are some misconceptions and some pretty harsh attitudes being expressed on this thread.

Let's start with being on time.    You assert that being on time " isn't taught as an adult but when you were kids".  But reality just isn't that simple.

Being on time is governed by your executive function faculties.   For those who aren't familiar with it, your executive function is your set of mental attributes that help you 'get things done'.  The ability to handle logistical tasks involving order, priority and time.   This is physiological.  It is controlled by the frontal lobe.

Executive Function Disorder is a very, very common aspect (one of a broad spectrum of symptoms) of various disorders such as ADD, ADHD, Asberger Syndrome, Anxiety, etc.

Executive Function Disorder can make it very difficult for otherwise highly functioning individuals 'stay on top of' things, like starting one's homework, remembering a meeting, doing tasks in proper order, etc.   And yes, keeping track of time.

I have a beloved loved one who struggles with EFD and even though he is an extremely high academic achiever (test scores through the roof, all As this last year), it is a constant, constant struggle for him to get his schoolwork done, to remember to get things done, to not waste tons of precious time sucked into video games, etc.   Heck, even needs to be reminded to brush his teeth.   He literally, and very simply, just needs someone to remind him what he should be doing at any point and he's fine.  Brilliant in fact.

I don't know if Robert Williams suffers from EFD.   But I do know it is extremely common and both these two incidents fit right in the wheelhouse of it.

It isn't a matter of 'bad character' or needing to be 'taught' responsibility.   If you ask someone with EFD about the importance of a schedule they totally understand.   If you ask them what the right priority of a set of things should be, they can tell you.    But that knowledge doesn't always translate into execution.   Because EFD lets other things get in the way.   Distractions pull at one's attention, push the schedule off to the side.  Also, EFD can cause you to overlook details.  Failure to note some details while vividly remembering others is common.

As a common symptom of ADHD, EFD is often helped by some medications.   Not always.   

Fortunately, a lot of these sorts of cognitive disfunction issues, being physiological, often get better on their own as the brain finally finishes development, usually around one's mid-20s.   Basically you can think of the brain as made of many parts, not all of which develop at the same rate for all kids.   It's not uncommon for ADHD kids to have some parts of their brain racing way ahead of their peers while other parts lag.     And it's also not uncommon for them to finally catch up with themselves in their mid-20s.

A 20 year old kid is not a finished adult.  Not even close.   The human brain doesn't finish growing until you are around 25 or so.

I guess I just wish folks would stop tossing out absolute moral judgements as if the poor kid got caught doing something objectively bad like stealing or beating up small kids or whatever.   Kids with EFD are not 'bad'.  They have a disability, no different than another kid missing an ear or hand.   Or bad eyesight.   The vast majority of the time all that is needed is correct accommodation and the kid can do everything needed or expected.

More than likely all he will need for a while is for an aide or handler to help him stay on his new routines, to not forget his next task or responsibility.   This will probably have zero affect on the basketball court.
A brilliant post TP TP TP
Title: Re: structure arriving
Post by: rochrist on July 05, 2018, 12:58:11 PM
I find it amusing to watch some of you defending Williams by basically attacking all 20 year olds.  "Well, what do you expect?  He's only 20." is an interesting theory that gets proven wrong by millions of 20 year olds every day, but that's the hill people are dying on around here, rather than just admitting that the kid's a problem beyond standard age-related issues.  It's not as if all the other draftees are having the same problems, after all, but that's getting ignored in the fervor to defend a kid that you'd be slamming for doing this if it wasn't for the jersey he's now wearing.

Good stuff.

Yeah, I mean how many other 20 year olds are serial murderers with 8+ bodies on the resumes? Come on now!
Title: Re: A 20 yr old with maturity issues-i blame the team
Post by: Verticality on July 05, 2018, 01:30:53 PM
Where did the Celtics let this kid down.

Give the kid the support tools-that missed flight was like a scream for help.

This whole thing has gotten blown way out of proportion.

What he needs from the Celtics is being held accountable, and it looks like the team did that. He took responsibility for the breakdown.

Possible that it will happen again? Yes. Likely that it will be a chronic problem? No.

Let's play ball.
Glad you feel this way, but I wouldn't go that far just yet.  No one has any basis to predict this, not even the Celtics.

 It doesn't have anything to do with how you or I feel.  I am not predicting one way or the other, just assessing likelihoods. 

It's not likely because lateness being a chronic problem mostly doesn't happen with NBA players, even with rookies, not because I know anything particular about him. 

The team held him accountable. He took responsibility. For what it's worth, it looks like he's got a support structure around him for making this thing work--including, not least, that the team has terrific leadership. And two buses.

Title: Re: structure arriving
Post by: Ogaju on July 05, 2018, 01:35:16 PM
Good. Reminds me of when the kings drafted cousins then hired his high school coach

how did that work out?
Really well. Yes, Cousins, by all accounts, is a jerk with a temper, but he's not dead or disabled from drink or drugs and he does appear to stay in shape, make it to practices, and plays well in games.

You also failed to mention he is no longer in Sacramento though he was on a bargain contract.

FYI Cousins was a model citizen in Sacramento. He is beloved by the community. Also, players get traded, whether you attend practices or not. You cannot cite Cousins as an example that getting help doesnt work. For all we know, he mightve been worse without it,

phenomenal basketball player had no offers and had to call a team to lobby for employment at a bargain basement price. Yeah all that help he got really worked. Look I dont know how you reached the conclusion that I am against getting help for players. I am not.

Lol bro, how’s the humidity on Mars? Cousins and his lack of offers MIGHT, just might, have something to do with him weighing 280 and catastrophically tearing his ACL. Just maybe.

if that makes you feel better about why no team or players wanted him,

That is literally why it happened. It wasn’t due to maturity or lack of support.

Injured players get interest all the time Boogie not so much.
Title: Robert Williams officially signed
Post by: saltlover on July 05, 2018, 01:40:31 PM
Looks like all parties are moving forward.  Hopefully the board moves forward too.

https://www.nba.com/celtics/news/pressrelease/celtics-sign-robert-williams (https://www.nba.com/celtics/news/pressrelease/celtics-sign-robert-williams)
Title: Re: structure arriving
Post by: Verticality on July 05, 2018, 01:52:03 PM
Good. Reminds me of when the kings drafted cousins then hired his high school coach

how did that work out?
Really well. Yes, Cousins, by all accounts, is a jerk with a temper, but he's not dead or disabled from drink or drugs and he does appear to stay in shape, make it to practices, and plays well in games.

You also failed to mention he is no longer in Sacramento though he was on a bargain contract.

FYI Cousins was a model citizen in Sacramento. He is beloved by the community. Also, players get traded, whether you attend practices or not. You cannot cite Cousins as an example that getting help doesnt work. For all we know, he mightve been worse without it,

phenomenal basketball player had no offers and had to call a team to lobby for employment at a bargain basement price. Yeah all that help he got really worked. Look I dont know how you reached the conclusion that I am against getting help for players. I am not.

Lol bro, how’s the humidity on Mars? Cousins and his lack of offers MIGHT, just might, have something to do with him weighing 280 and catastrophically tearing his ACL. Just maybe.

if that makes you feel better about why no team or players wanted him,

That is literally why it happened. It wasn’t due to maturity or lack of support.

Injured players get interest all the time Boogie not so much.

What you say is true.

But consider that his injury is an Achilles rupture, one of the worst injuries for a pro basketball player. It is usually a career killer. Consider Elton Brand, or more recently Wes Matthews. Both continued playing after healing, but at greatly diminished productivity.

I've seen it misreported as an ACL tear, including here. This is worse. Of course, it depends on how severe the damage, how young the player is...

The Warriors are taking a tiny risk at one year, $5M.
Title: Re: Robert Williams officially signed
Post by: Verticality on July 05, 2018, 01:53:23 PM
Looks like all parties are moving forward.  Hopefully the board moves forward too.

https://www.nba.com/celtics/news/pressrelease/celtics-sign-robert-williams (https://www.nba.com/celtics/news/pressrelease/celtics-sign-robert-williams)

Amen to that.
Title: Re: Robert Williams officially signed
Post by: billysan on July 05, 2018, 01:55:30 PM
Danny has made a show of faith to this kid. Hope he works hard and grows into a Celtic.
Title: Re: Robert Williams officially signed
Post by: footey on July 05, 2018, 02:01:32 PM
Looks like all parties are moving forward.  Hopefully the board moves forward too.

https://www.nba.com/celtics/news/pressrelease/celtics-sign-robert-williams (https://www.nba.com/celtics/news/pressrelease/celtics-sign-robert-williams)

TP for the sentiments.
Title: Re: Robert Williams makes two practices in a row
Post by: rochrist on July 05, 2018, 02:09:11 PM
Ah, Celtic Boston fans, always so supportive.

FTFY
Title: Re: Robert Williams officially signed
Post by: JHTruth on July 05, 2018, 02:09:44 PM
Looks like all parties are moving forward.  Hopefully the board moves forward too.

https://www.nba.com/celtics/news/pressrelease/celtics-sign-robert-williams (https://www.nba.com/celtics/news/pressrelease/celtics-sign-robert-williams)

Wait for the wild overreactions to his game tmw, either way.

Just remember Trae Young has looked like Bust City so far and Bagley looked like a bum vs GSW SL.

KEEP IT ALL IN PERSPECTIVE
Title: Re: Moritz Wagner vs. Robert Williams
Post by: A Future of Stevens on July 05, 2018, 02:13:24 PM
I watched very little of him but when I did, the first guy who came into my head was Henry Ellenson. So there's that.

How Ellenson can be a 6’11 PF/C and have only one block in nearly 500 minutes for his career is beyond me.

That is amazing. I feel like he has to be actively avoiding putting his hands up in that scenario.
Title: Re: Robert Williams makes two practices in a row
Post by: mef730 on July 05, 2018, 02:19:25 PM
Is everyone done bashing this kid now? ::)

No way. If we didn’t have something to complain about, CB wouldn’t have a reason to exist.

Mike
Title: Re: Robert Williams officially signed
Post by: Scintan on July 05, 2018, 02:22:35 PM
He didn't oversleep and miss signing on to the gravy train, then?
Title: Re: structure arriving
Post by: Chef Parish on July 05, 2018, 02:27:40 PM
I think it's pretty alarming that Williams needs a full time babysitter. Because you can call it what you want, but that's pretty much what he's getting.

Tatum lives with his mom. It's not that unusual...

When Delonte West was with the Celtics he lived with mom for support, albeit not his own mom.
Title: Re: Robert Williams officially signed
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on July 05, 2018, 02:28:29 PM
So 30 day commitment?
Title: Re: Moritz Wagner vs. Robert Williams
Post by: JHTruth on July 05, 2018, 02:30:22 PM
I think Wagner is skilled already but he is limited by his athletic base.   Wiliams is the opposite with tons of potential, but low skill, a lot of guys never realize their potential, though.  But if he does he will be the better player but there is no guarantee that he will.

Williams is not "low skill", he just doesn't have the same "skill" as Wagner, namely shooting. Wagner isn't anwhere near the shotblocker, rebounder, and passer Williams is.

My guess is the C's just thought Williams switchability on D and rim protection is what they are looking for. They figured it would be easier to make Williams a passable shooter than Wagner a defender that can switch onto guards..
Title: Re: Robert Williams makes two practices in a row
Post by: rollie mass on July 05, 2018, 02:32:21 PM
"Sarcasm is angers ugly cousin"-Jack Nicholson Anger Management.
and that's a slam dunk
Title: Re: Robert Williams officially signed
Post by: CF033 on July 05, 2018, 02:32:36 PM
I'm mixed on this... Excited about the raw potential yet in the back of my mind I wonder if we're signing a problem player that will show glimmers of hope here and there but keep slipping up.

Time will tell.
Title: Re: Robert Williams officially signed
Post by: Eja117 on July 05, 2018, 02:37:41 PM
He didn't oversleep and miss signing on to the gravy train, then?
Hey! You can't say that! That's a terrible thing to say about someone. He's only 20. You're really jumping to crazy conclusions here.
Title: Re: Robert Williams makes two practices in a row
Post by: chilidawg on July 05, 2018, 03:05:25 PM
Leave it to the people of New England to give him a participation trophy for showing up on his 2nd and 3rd days of work.
Leave it to cynical bitter New England sports fans to villify him forever for a couple rookie mistakes.
Title: Re: Robert Williams makes two practices in a row
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on July 05, 2018, 03:09:54 PM
Leave it to the people of New England to give him a participation trophy for showing up on his 2nd and 3rd days of work.
Leave it to cynical bitter New England sports fans to villify him forever for a couple rookie mistakes.

tp
Title: Re: Robert Williams makes two practices in a row
Post by: BitterJim on July 05, 2018, 03:13:56 PM
Ah, Celtic fans, always so supportive.

It's when we stop being sarcastic that you need to be worried. All of this comes from having pretty high expectations for him.

If people start acting like him missing a practice is no big deal or par for the course, THEN it's an issue
Title: Re: Robert Williams makes two practices in a row
Post by: Tr1boy on July 05, 2018, 03:17:42 PM
Got to give credit where credit is due.  This kid hasn't missed a practice since Monday.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZPmQxonCfI

Is this necessary?

Whats next , he makes ....3, 4?

Title: Re: Robert Williams officially signed
Post by: hwangjini_1 on July 05, 2018, 03:18:36 PM
He didn't oversleep and miss signing on to the gravy train, then?
Hey! You can't say that! That's a terrible thing to say about someone. He's only 20. You're really jumping to crazy conclusions here.
1. yes he can say that. indeed, he did say that.

2. yes it is terrible, but it isnt out of the blue.

3. he is only 20, so most of us are hopeful he will work out to at least be a rotation player, maybe better.

4. he wasnt jumping to any conclusions as much as trying to be humorous by extended and riffing off earlier threads.

5. even if these were conclusions, it would be more accurate to label them "presumptuous" or "premature" than "crazy.

6. and unrelated to your post, i really want to see how he plays tomorrow.  ;D
Title: Re: A 20 yr old with maturity issues-i blame the team
Post by: ozgod on July 05, 2018, 03:29:26 PM
At some point you need to learn to look after yourself. That’s how you grow up to be a man. CelTics can help all they want and they should, to protect their investment. But the initiative has to come from the player. He can’t rely on Celtics to give him a wake up call every morning and hire a secretary for him to manage his practices and flights. That would just be enabling him. He’s getting paid a couple mill to do this with potential for a lot more. What they can do is pair him with a mentor he can learn good habits from who will hold him accountable. One of the young players like Tatum or Brown or a vet like Horford.

Hopefully those two public errors are the shock to the system he needs to realize that this will isnt college anymore.
Title: Re: Robert Williams officially signed
Post by: cltc5 on July 05, 2018, 03:29:34 PM
Looks like all parties are moving forward.  Hopefully the board moves forward too.

https://www.nba.com/celtics/news/pressrelease/celtics-sign-robert-williams (https://www.nba.com/celtics/news/pressrelease/celtics-sign-robert-williams)

Don’t hold your breath ::)
Title: Re: A 20 yr old with maturity issues-i blame the team
Post by: hwangjini_1 on July 05, 2018, 03:33:12 PM
Do we really need another Robert Williams thread?
evidently.
Title: Re: Robert Williams officially signed
Post by: SHAQATTACK on July 05, 2018, 03:54:30 PM
its the 27 th pick

right now i give it a 50-50.  chance of bust .

you know its pretty much up to his wee little mind

to get himself on the straight and narrow , put his big boy pants on and greet real life.
Title: Re: Robert Williams officially signed
Post by: knuckleballer on July 05, 2018, 04:26:02 PM
For those excited at getting their first look at this guy, the Celtics are playing their first summer league game tomorrow at 7:30 on ESPN.
Title: Re: Robert Williams officially signed
Post by: fairweatherfan on July 05, 2018, 04:51:49 PM
Do you guys think Robert was on time for the plane to Vegas?  :D
Title: Re: A 20 yr old with maturity issues-i blame the team
Post by: nickagneta on July 05, 2018, 04:52:40 PM
Stop all talk of Boomers, Xers, Yers and Millenials. If you want to talker about the positives and negatives of those generations, then start another thread in Current Events
Title: Re: A 20 yr old with maturity issues-i blame the team
Post by: nickagneta on July 05, 2018, 05:11:11 PM
One of my sons is 23 and been on his own since leaving for college. When he got his first job in his career, the company wasn't expected to babysit him and teach him how to be an adult. He was expected to be and act like an adult why performing his job.

I don't see that things should be any different for Williams simply because his career is basketball. Williams, like my son, has a career and should act accordingly. Be mature. Be early to work. Dedicate yourself to your profession. Be held accountable for you actions.

The first few days of problems in Robert Williams career lies squarely at the feet of Robert Williams. Not the Celtics.

Are adults sometimes late to work, make mistakes on the job? Etc...  guess what being an adult takes practice.  Some people spend a lifetime doing it.  Just because your of a certain age doesn’t mean that the adult genie suddenly grants you special adult powers.  It’s a combo of experiences, environment, and biology.  Step down from your high horse.
First off, there is no need for the "get off your high horse" comment, its insulting and disrespectful and against the rules.

Second, I am not judging Williams for what happened, just stating that the Boston Celtics hold no responsibility for anything that has occurred. Williams overslept a conference call before arriving in Boston. Then after he was here a day or two he took off for home then missed a flight back and so missed practice. The Celtics have to hold Williams to the same standard they have been holding rookies to forever and did. Most of those rookies didn't do what Williams did.

Third, seeing immature action after immature action the Cs and Williams decided he needed people around him to help him out. So good for him, I hope it helps him to grow up.

Title: Re: A 20 yr old with maturity issues-i blame the team
Post by: TheisTheisBaby on July 05, 2018, 05:18:40 PM
 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: so it's not HIS FAULT for making these mistakes?  He's 20 years old.  He's an adult.  This is called INDIVIDUAL RESPONSIBILITY.  I can assume that the OP thinks that a person that robs a liquor store and murders the clerk isn't at fault but society for "forcing" him to do so? 
Title: Re: A 20 yr old with maturity issues-i blame the team
Post by: Chief Macho on July 05, 2018, 05:21:09 PM
He missed one flight. Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. already.
Title: Re: A 20 yr old with maturity issues-i blame the team
Post by: Chris22 on July 05, 2018, 05:24:25 PM
He missed one flight. **** already.

I know, right?

I don't care what he does as long as he gives us hell bent defense and rebounding when he is in the game.
Title: Re: A 20 yr old with maturity issues-i blame the team
Post by: Sophomore on July 05, 2018, 05:30:04 PM
I guess this thread is a sign of how hungry we are for real news.

Williams made some mistakes. The team has communicated that this isn't acceptable and they're committing some resources to help him pull it together. I'm glad they did, and I hope he finds his way.

One way or another, we won't know how this works out for a while. Maybe suspend judgment until we've got more than a few days' experience? 

Title: Re: Robert Williams makes two practices in a row
Post by: Chris22 on July 05, 2018, 05:30:27 PM
Ah, Celtic fans, always so supportive.

It's when we stop being sarcastic that you need to be worried. All of this comes from having pretty high expectations for him.

If people start acting like him missing a practice is no big deal or par for the course, THEN it's an issue

I thought it came from drunken posting.
Title: Re: Robert Williams officially signed
Post by: Chris22 on July 05, 2018, 05:32:04 PM
Welcome to the Celtics, Mr. Williams.

I wish you much success.
Title: Re: A 20 yr old with maturity issues-i blame the team
Post by: moiso on July 05, 2018, 05:35:46 PM
Someone compared Robert to Sean Williams a couple days ago and it has stuck in my head.  They are both very similar.  Sean was a shotblocking/rebounding/defensive specialist with mental issues also.  Sean was highly regarded.  I hope Robert chooses a better path.
Title: Re: structure arriving
Post by: Neurotic Guy on July 05, 2018, 05:38:36 PM
dont we already have 2 or 3 "lets all **** about/cheer on williams" threads already?

mods, maybe merge these all on williams?

my question is why does rollie have to start a new thread WITH NO LINK mind you for every single thought that pops in his head? Why can he not just add to existing threads?? Seems to be an attention seeker.

I am an older guy with no blog experience other than this one, so take my comments for what they’re worth.   Despite annoying tendencies of some posters, many of the annoyances are surpassed by what the poster brings to the table.   Cblog would be a worse “place” without Rollie.  I don’t always agree with or fully understand his posts, but am always glad he’s part of the community. Rollie is value-added.
Title: Re: A 20 yr old with maturity issues-i blame the team
Post by: celticsclay on July 05, 2018, 05:47:09 PM
Someone compared Robert to Sean Williams a couple days ago and it has stuck in my head.  They are both very similar.  Sean was a shotblocking/rebounding/defensive specialist with mental issues also.  Sean was highly regarded.  I hope Robert chooses a better path.

Could be, but I also think everyone is overreacting cause of the age of social media. If this happened 15 years ago we might not even know it happened.
Title: Re: structure arriving
Post by: JHTruth on July 05, 2018, 05:48:51 PM
One thing we should all be able to agree on here is that the young man is probably better off with those posters that show concern than those that think this is not a big deal let it go.

The lack of attention to character and responsible behavior is what fosters irresponsible behavior. Let it go is quite possibly the worst response.

The fact, that there are people moving him with him is proof positive that those around him see that he needs help. He needs help because there is a problem.

I think the folks with concerns win this one.

Win what? There's literally nobody here saying he shouldn't get structure and help. Get off your high horse about responsible behavior. People are simply reacting to the hot take that he's on drugs or doomed to flunk out of the NBA, not debating that he needs some assistance and carries some risk.

win what? the debate of course. You guys are having a debate if you had not notice. Some have said nothing to see here he is just 20 move on. Some are saying there is a concern that could end badly. Perhaps the debate would have ended earlier if some of you actually realized you were in a debate.

I haven't counted, but I don't think too many people are saying there's nothing to see. Clearly there is a maturity issue, I think most people see that and agree that it's not ideal. The debate seems to be between those who think that it's an issue that can be addressed and the kid has a decent chance of becoming a useful NBA player, and those who think he's a lost cause because of his lack of maturity.

Personally I don't find it at all unusual that a 20 year old would show a lack of maturity. I certainly agree that there are plenty of young people that are mature and responsible, but I don't think that means he is a lost cause. People can grow and mature. The Celts are implementing some steps to help him with that process. That's a perfectly reasonable thing for them to do.

He clearly isn’t mature and no one is arguing that he is. Given his immaturity, we think getting some help is better for than not, and there really is no argument against that. If you’re salty, you’re salty that we drafted him at all. But there was no other potential future starter on the board, and he was BPA and at our position of greatest need. Plus we have a winning culture.

Cry all you want, it was a great pick. He’s definitely screwed up, but the whole point is the team is supposed to be here to help and guide him.

Lastly, most dissenters in here are displaying “immaturity” by assassinating the character of a poor 20 year old for missing a flight, or writing him off. Maybe some of you guys have “a problem” too.

Frankly I think some posters/Twitter trolls simply have personal issues that go far, far beyond Robert Williams. I mean it says more about someone than it does about RW3 when they begrudge a 20-year old kid bringing in a support system. Every person alive needs a solid support system to succeed in life. Why hate on RW3 for it?

The kid is getting a great lesson in ignoring the haters..
Title: Re: Robert Williams makes two practices in a row
Post by: dreamgreen on July 05, 2018, 05:54:10 PM
Ah, Celtic fans, always so supportive.

It's when we stop being sarcastic that you need to be worried. All of this comes from having pretty high expectations for him.

If people start acting like him missing a practice is no big deal or par for the course, THEN it's an issue

I thought it came from drunken posting.

The kid's an idiot until he proves otherwise!

Was any good in practice? Anyone have any updates on his performance?
Title: Re: Robert Williams makes two practices in a row
Post by: celticsclay on July 05, 2018, 06:01:14 PM
Ah, Celtic fans, always so supportive.

It's when we stop being sarcastic that you need to be worried. All of this comes from having pretty high expectations for him.

If people start acting like him missing a practice is no big deal or par for the course, THEN it's an issue

I thought it came from drunken posting.

Or drunken practice
Title: Re: Robert Williams makes two practices in a row
Post by: tazzmaniac on July 05, 2018, 06:15:02 PM
Ah, Celtic fans, always so supportive.

It's when we stop being sarcastic that you need to be worried. All of this comes from having pretty high expectations for him.

If people start acting like him missing a practice is no big deal or par for the course, THEN it's an issue

I thought it came from drunken posting.

Or drunken practice
If drinks were served at practice, Iverson's rant would have been quite different.   
Title: Re: Robert Williams makes two practices in a row
Post by: JHTruth on July 05, 2018, 06:18:44 PM
Ah, Celtic fans, always so supportive.

It's when we stop being sarcastic that you need to be worried. All of this comes from having pretty high expectations for him.

If people start acting like him missing a practice is no big deal or par for the course, THEN it's an issue

I thought it came from drunken posting.

The kid's an idiot until he proves otherwise!

Was any good in practice? Anyone have any updates on his performance?

The returns from practice are very good so far. Focused, coachable..
Title: Re: Robert Williams makes two practices in a row
Post by: Snakehead on July 05, 2018, 06:39:05 PM
Ah, Celtic fans, always so supportive.

It's when we stop being sarcastic that you need to be worried. All of this comes from having pretty high expectations for him.

If people start acting like him missing a practice is no big deal or par for the course, THEN it's an issue

I thought it came from drunken posting.

The kid's an idiot until he proves otherwise!


Saying it's an issue is fine but this tone is really grating.  There's worse things to say about it perhaps but I'll leave it there.
Title: Re: Robert Williams makes two practices in a row
Post by: TheTruthFot18 on July 05, 2018, 07:08:00 PM
Offseason MVP
Title: Re: Robert Williams makes two practices in a row
Post by: hwangjini_1 on July 05, 2018, 07:09:08 PM
Ah, Celtic fans, always so supportive.

It's when we stop being sarcastic that you need to be worried. All of this comes from having pretty high expectations for him.

If people start acting like him missing a practice is no big deal or par for the course, THEN it's an issue

I thought it came from drunken posting.

The kid's an idiot until he proves otherwise!

Was any good in practice? Anyone have any updates on his performance?

The returns from practice are very good so far. Focused, coachable..
Good. That is the sort of thing we want to hear. Still t early to know anything definitive, but such talk is welcome.
Title: Re: structure arriving
Post by: hwangjini_1 on July 05, 2018, 07:11:55 PM
I find it amusing to watch some of you defending Williams by basically attacking all 20 year olds.  "Well, what do you expect?  He's only 20." is an interesting theory that gets proven wrong by millions of 20 year olds every day, but that's the hill people are dying on around here, rather than just admitting that the kid's a problem beyond standard age-related issues.  It's not as if all the other draftees are having the same problems, after all, but that's getting ignored in the fervor to defend a kid that you'd be slamming for doing this if it wasn't for the jersey he's now wearing.

Good stuff.

Yeah, I mean how many other 20 year olds are serial murderers with 8+ bodies on the resumes? Come on now!
Are you speaking for yourself here?  ;D
Title: Re: structure arriving
Post by: hwangjini_1 on July 05, 2018, 07:14:19 PM
dont we already have 2 or 3 "lets all **** about/cheer on williams" threads already?

mods, maybe merge these all on williams?

my question is why does rollie have to start a new thread WITH NO LINK mind you for every single thought that pops in his head? Why can he not just add to existing threads?? Seems to be an attention seeker.

I am an older guy with no blog experience other than this one, so take my comments for what they’re worth.   Despite annoying tendencies of some posters, many of the annoyances are surpassed by what the poster brings to the table.   Cblog would be a worse “place” without Rollie.  I don’t always agree with or fully understand his posts, but am always glad he’s part of the community. Rollie is value-added.
As a probably even older guy, I second these points. I am glad Rollie is here.
Title: Re: Robert Williams makes two practices in a row
Post by: JHTruth on July 05, 2018, 07:15:24 PM
Ah, Celtic fans, always so supportive.

It's when we stop being sarcastic that you need to be worried. All of this comes from having pretty high expectations for him.

If people start acting like him missing a practice is no big deal or par for the course, THEN it's an issue

I thought it came from drunken posting.

The kid's an idiot until he proves otherwise!

Was any good in practice? Anyone have any updates on his performance?

The returns from practice are very good so far. Focused, coachable..
Good. That is the sort of thing we want to hear. Still t early to know anything definitive, but such talk is welcome.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ID-LD6s0DaE
Title: Re: structure arriving
Post by: Eddie20 on July 05, 2018, 07:24:30 PM
One thing we should all be able to agree on here is that the young man is probably better off with those posters that show concern than those that think this is not a big deal let it go.

The lack of attention to character and responsible behavior is what fosters irresponsible behavior. Let it go is quite possibly the worst response.

The fact, that there are people moving him with him is proof positive that those around him see that he needs help. He needs help because there is a problem.

I think the folks with concerns win this one.

Win what? There's literally nobody here saying he shouldn't get structure and help. Get off your high horse about responsible behavior. People are simply reacting to the hot take that he's on drugs or doomed to flunk out of the NBA, not debating that he needs some assistance and carries some risk.

win what? the debate of course. You guys are having a debate if you had not notice. Some have said nothing to see here he is just 20 move on. Some are saying there is a concern that could end badly. Perhaps the debate would have ended earlier if some of you actually realized you were in a debate.

I haven't counted, but I don't think too many people are saying there's nothing to see. Clearly there is a maturity issue, I think most people see that and agree that it's not ideal. The debate seems to be between those who think that it's an issue that can be addressed and the kid has a decent chance of becoming a useful NBA player, and those who think he's a lost cause because of his lack of maturity.

Personally I don't find it at all unusual that a 20 year old would show a lack of maturity. I certainly agree that there are plenty of young people that are mature and responsible, but I don't think that means he is a lost cause. People can grow and mature. The Celts are implementing some steps to help him with that process. That's a perfectly reasonable thing for them to do.

He clearly isn’t mature and no one is arguing that he is. Given his immaturity, we think getting some help is better for than not, and there really is no argument against that. If you’re salty, you’re salty that we drafted him at all. But there was no other potential future starter on the board, and he was BPA and at our position of greatest need. Plus we have a winning culture.

Cry all you want, it was a great pick. He’s definitely screwed up, but the whole point is the team is supposed to be here to help and guide him.

Lastly, most dissenters in here are displaying “immaturity” by assassinating the character of a poor 20 year old for missing a flight, or writing him off. Maybe some of you guys have “a problem” too.

Frankly I think some posters/Twitter trolls simply have personal issues that go far, far beyond Robert Williams. I mean it says more about someone than it does about RW3 when they begrudge a 20-year old kid bringing in a support system. Every person alive needs a solid support system to succeed in life. Why hate on RW3 for it?

The kid is getting a great lesson in ignoring the haters..

Frankly, I think this is such a ridiculous post. Nobody "hates" him. In fact, I'm sure all C's fans want him to greatly succeed, as it only improves the team. However, you seem to be missing a lot of key facts. The kid was suspended for what his dad described "as not listening". He then slipped in the draft because teams cited character issues, which speaks volumes. We draft him and then he has two incidents right off the bat. People aren't making this up, this happened. To brush it off is really narrow-minded and I'm curious what those that think it's not a big deal would say if he were on another team. Maturity issues and given lots of cash aren't really a recipe for success, so it's only normal for people to be concerned. In fact, if he didn't have any red flags people wouldn't think much of these two recent incidents. However, the track record is there.

The assistant coach is being brought in as a baby sister, life coach, father figure, chaperone, whatever you want to call it, but ultimately those close to Williams don't feel he's capable of handling basic things (you know, like being at certain places at certain times) like a professional athlete should. That is far different than having a support system like Tatum has. All indications are that Tatum is a responsible professional that doesn't need to be monitored and treated like a child.

Every person alive needs a support system to succeed in life? I'm curious as to how you arrived at that hypothesis. How do you define success? Because there have countless historical examples of people that succeeded without help and having to overcome real life adversity.
Title: Re: Robert Williams makes two practices in a row
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on July 05, 2018, 07:25:47 PM
In my Sesame Street days we had just the character for keeping "count" of important things.

(https://image.pbs.org/poster_images/assets/00100450265_bHIOl7y.jpg.resize.710x399.jpg)

Kid had a rough start.

Celtics / NE Fans are probably the most unforgiving and strict out there. Some of them / us are spoiled and petulant - thanks to the New England Bradies.

But I hope that as time goes on Robert understands whats at stake. When these fans are on your side THIS stuff happens.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uV9YnutTB1c

Who can EVER forget the memorable cheering as we were getting blown out by MIA?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GRFYDWsI9U

Serious stuff here.

Robert is young and will probably make more mistakes. But I'm certain that his GOOD will outweigh his bad.
Title: Re: Robert Williams makes two practices in a row
Post by: Scintan on July 05, 2018, 07:30:01 PM
Leave it to the people of New England to give him a participation trophy for showing up on his 2nd and 3rd days of work.
Leave it to cynical bitter New England sports fans to villify him forever for a couple rookie mistakes.

Forever?

When did 4 days become forever?
Title: Re: Robert Williams makes two practices in a row
Post by: Alleyoopster on July 05, 2018, 07:41:29 PM
Ah, Celtic fans, always so supportive.

It's when we stop being sarcastic that you need to be worried. All of this comes from having pretty high expectations for him.

If people start acting like him missing a practice is no big deal or par for the course, THEN it's an issue

I thought it came from drunken posting.

TP  Drunken posting....now that explains a lot. May try it myself.

With the new marijuana dispensaries opening up. Next step will likely be posting while high. Oh Boy!!!
Title: Re: structure arriving
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on July 05, 2018, 07:45:03 PM
dont we already have 2 or 3 "lets all **** about/cheer on williams" threads already?

mods, maybe merge these all on williams?

my question is why does rollie have to start a new thread WITH NO LINK mind you for every single thought that pops in his head? Why can he not just add to existing threads?? Seems to be an attention seeker.

I am an older guy with no blog experience other than this one, so take my comments for what they’re worth.   Despite annoying tendencies of some posters, many of the annoyances are surpassed by what the poster brings to the table.   Cblog would be a worse “place” without Rollie.  I don’t always agree with or fully understand his posts, but am always glad he’s part of the community. Rollie is value-added.
As a probably even older guy, I second these points. I am glad Rollie is here.

oh my vishnu LOLOL
Title: Re: Robert Williams makes two practices in a row
Post by: Beat LA on July 05, 2018, 07:51:00 PM
Admittedly, this is probably my fault, but, like, can we please stop with all of this, at least until he does something else to warrant additional ire? Yeesh ::).
Title: Re: structure arriving
Post by: Beat LA on July 05, 2018, 07:51:41 PM
Admittedly, this is probably my fault, but, like, can we please stop with all of this, at least until he does something else to warrant additional ire? Yeesh ::).
Title: Re: A 20 yr old with maturity issues-i blame the team
Post by: Beat LA on July 05, 2018, 07:52:13 PM
Admittedly, this is probably my fault, but, like, can we please stop with all of this, at least until he does something else to warrant additional ire? Yeesh ::).
Title: Re: A 20 yr old with maturity issues-i blame the team
Post by: Alleyoopster on July 05, 2018, 08:48:28 PM
Someone compared Robert to Sean Williams a couple days ago and it has stuck in my head.  They are both very similar.  Sean was a shotblocking/rebounding/defensive specialist with mental issues also.  Sean was highly regarded.  I hope Robert chooses a better path.

Could be, but I also think everyone is overreacting cause of the age of social media. If this happened 15 years ago we might not even know it happened.

TP  Hadn't given much thought about how social media has altered how we view and think about news and current events. Now, it's a preoccupation. You're right, 15-20 years ago this would be a non-issue.
Title: Re: structure arriving
Post by: wiley on July 06, 2018, 12:04:35 AM
One thing we should all be able to agree on here is that the young man is probably better off with those posters that show concern than those that think this is not a big deal let it go.

The lack of attention to character and responsible behavior is what fosters irresponsible behavior. Let it go is quite possibly the worst response.

The fact, that there are people moving him with him is proof positive that those around him see that he needs help. He needs help because there is a problem.

I think the folks with concerns win this one.

Win what? There's literally nobody here saying he shouldn't get structure and help. Get off your high horse about responsible behavior. People are simply reacting to the hot take that he's on drugs or doomed to flunk out of the NBA, not debating that he needs some assistance and carries some risk.

win what? the debate of course. You guys are having a debate if you had not notice. Some have said nothing to see here he is just 20 move on. Some are saying there is a concern that could end badly. Perhaps the debate would have ended earlier if some of you actually realized you were in a debate.

I haven't counted, but I don't think too many people are saying there's nothing to see. Clearly there is a maturity issue, I think most people see that and agree that it's not ideal. The debate seems to be between those who think that it's an issue that can be addressed and the kid has a decent chance of becoming a useful NBA player, and those who think he's a lost cause because of his lack of maturity.

Personally I don't find it at all unusual that a 20 year old would show a lack of maturity. I certainly agree that there are plenty of young people that are mature and responsible, but I don't think that means he is a lost cause. People can grow and mature. The Celts are implementing some steps to help him with that process. That's a perfectly reasonable thing for them to do.

He clearly isn’t mature and no one is arguing that he is. Given his immaturity, we think getting some help is better for than not, and there really is no argument against that. If you’re salty, you’re salty that we drafted him at all. But there was no other potential future starter on the board, and he was BPA and at our position of greatest need. Plus we have a winning culture.

Cry all you want, it was a great pick. He’s definitely screwed up, but the whole point is the team is supposed to be here to help and guide him.

Lastly, most dissenters in here are displaying “immaturity” by assassinating the character of a poor 20 year old for missing a flight, or writing him off. Maybe some of you guys have “a problem” too.

Thank you.. It's always nice when people take a look at themselves first...then maybe throw the darts at others.  There are many form of maturity....hitting the panic button and lashing out at an unknown quantity isn't one of them.

But I like the passion.  I will say that. 
It's no fun when a new toy makes us anxious with its minor glitches...  I'm anxious too.  I REEAALLY want this guy to succeed here in Boston!!  I have a strong desire to see him stuff an Embiid dunk attempt and guard tall wing sharpshooters on the perimeter...
Title: Re: structure arriving
Post by: Ogaju on July 06, 2018, 03:21:49 AM
dont we already have 2 or 3 "lets all **** about/cheer on williams" threads already?

mods, maybe merge these all on williams?

my question is why does rollie have to start a new thread WITH NO LINK mind you for every single thought that pops in his head? Why can he not just add to existing threads?? Seems to be an attention seeker.

I am an older guy with no blog experience other than this one, so take my comments for what they’re worth.   Despite annoying tendencies of some posters, many of the annoyances are surpassed by what the poster brings to the table.   Cblog would be a worse “place” without Rollie.  I don’t always agree with or fully understand his posts, but am always glad he’s part of the community. Rollie is value-added.

This.
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: rollie mass on July 06, 2018, 07:44:20 AM
First we start off at draft with a gifted acquisition at 27.A under coached 20 year old with tools not seen since the days of Celtics legend centers Russell and Cowens.
There is an excellent breakdown of his passing,shooting.offense and defense that shows a gifted athlete and need of professional coaching at NBA level.
I think it is on the Celtic organization to guide Robert so he is not overwhelmed -there is so much to work on with so many adjustments and distractions.
Big men come with a unique set of challenges.
Today we get introduced to the beginning of a possible legend and it will start soon with a play a foot over the box or a nasty come from behind block but it will be a jaw dropping display of athleticism

The beginning of a Possible legend and it will start with some jaw dropping athletic move from above the box -it may start tonight
 What we have is a 6-9 240 lb center with 7-6 inch wingspan that has the 2nd highest vertical reach ever 12.5 ft and has the bio mechanics that enable him to easily guard 5 positions laterally.This has been measured by P3. sport science
This kids vertical reach from standstill is 12 ft again measured by P3.
So we have here is an athletic anomaly that loves defence.
Larranaga has already called him coachable with volleyball like spikes and elbows above the rim dunks.Once the media buzz starts tonight it will carry on all week
.Thought i would post this in advance,on an original Williams thread-Remember the word possible and tools not seen since russell/cowens and you will see  above where i held team and organization accountable to provide structure for his immaturity well before the second mishap
 remember 2nd highest ever and off that by an inch and marry that to his unique bio mechanics
that allow for lateral-- Those are  some tools
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on July 06, 2018, 09:49:49 AM
MASTERPIECE?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

HE CANNOT HOLD A CANDLE TO THEIS OR BAYNES

THEY AT LEAST SHOW UP!

Yeah, I love the upside Williams has, but there is a reason why he slipped. Teams are privy to information on a player and, more like than not, what they heard about Williams wasn't too positive.

agreed! but until he can show up consistently and show he wants to be here he is still at end of bench or going to maine.
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: Eddie20 on July 06, 2018, 10:28:48 AM
MASTERPIECE?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

HE CANNOT HOLD A CANDLE TO THEIS OR BAYNES

THEY AT LEAST SHOW UP!

Yeah, I love the upside Williams has, but there is a reason why he slipped. Teams are privy to information on a player and, more like than not, what they heard about Williams wasn't too positive.

agreed! but until he can show up consistently and show he wants to be here he is still at end of bench or going to maine.

I definitely think he's going to be in Maine all season.
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: Celtics4ever on July 06, 2018, 11:04:02 AM
Quote
I definitely think he's going to be in Maine all season.

I am going to reserve judgment until I see him play tonight.   I don't expect too much a few dunks and some blocks and decent rebounding.   

They may want Al to mentor him so he may stay up some of the season.
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: saltlover on July 06, 2018, 11:06:21 AM
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I definitely think he's going to be in Maine all season.

I am going to reserve judgment until I see him play tonight.

I’m going to reserve judgment until the pre-season.
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: Eddie20 on July 06, 2018, 11:13:11 AM
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I definitely think he's going to be in Maine all season.

I am going to reserve judgment until I see him play tonight.   I don't expect too much a few dunks and some blocks and decent rebounding.   

They may want Al to mentor him so he may stay up some of the season.

I don't think it's even in question. We're going to be starting small with Tatum and Hayward as the forwards and Horford at center. Then we have Baynes, Theis, and Morris (who'll likely still get some minutes at the 4) as rotational players. For sheer player development, he'll be in Maine getting reps, as opposed to being in Boston rotting on the bench.

Don't forget that once the grind of the regular season starts, practices are few and far between. All he'll be getting is morning shootarounds, but not many reps.
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: Alleyoopster on July 06, 2018, 11:21:05 AM
It's very difficult for big men to make an impression in Summer League. Guards jack up 3 pointers like there's not tomorrow. This means long rebounds and few blocked shots. And, refs allow an incredible amount of contact inside the paint.

Not expecting much from Robert tonight. I predict he'll score 6-8 points....mostly from put-backs and keen passing, one block, and 3 assists. What I'd want most is for him to commit few turnovers, grab a couple offensive rebounds and to alter a shot or two. 
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: playdream on July 06, 2018, 11:25:26 AM
Lol don't kid yourself, Danny and Brad already stated they are looking to his immediate impact and that's why they draft him, he will learn from playing the game ,against and with the bests, his defensive versatility and ring running scoring ability, combined with his rebounding and passing, is more than enough to keep him in the game, especially we are going to blow out alot of teams while also try to rest our stars, he will have tons of opportunity, i can easily see him compete mins with Semi, and play more than Yabu.
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: footey on July 06, 2018, 11:26:13 AM
Quote
I definitely think he's going to be in Maine all season.

I am going to reserve judgment until I see him play tonight.

I’m going to reserve judgment until the pre-season.

I'm going to reserve judgment until the season.
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: fairweatherfan on July 06, 2018, 11:41:30 AM
We're trying to win a championship. If Williams gets significant minutes for us, it either means

- he's well ahead of the learning curve and either ready to contribute positively or expected to get there soon with some regular season reps

- we have a ton of frontcourt injuries and we need bodies out there.

The first one seems unlikely and I hope like hell we miss out on the 2nd one, so a lot of G League time is the most likely result.
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: saltlover on July 06, 2018, 11:47:09 AM
We're trying to win a championship. If Williams gets significant minutes for us, it either means

- he's well ahead of the learning curve and either ready to contribute positively or expected to get there soon with some regular season reps

- we have a ton of frontcourt injuries and we need bodies out there.

The first one seems unlikely and I hope like hell we miss out on the 2nd one, so a lot of G League time is the most likely result.

You missed a third possibility.  We’re so good relative to the rest of the East that there is more rest given to the likes of Horford (off days on back-to-backs), and more garbage time minutes at the end of games.  This gives him enough opportunity for developmental minutes at the NBA level all season.
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: footey on July 06, 2018, 12:02:02 PM
MASTERPIECE?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

HE CANNOT HOLD A CANDLE TO THEIS OR BAYNES

THEY AT LEAST SHOW UP!

Yeah, I love the upside Williams has, but there is a reason why he slipped. Teams are privy to information on a player and, more like than not, what they heard about Williams wasn't too positive.

agreed! but until he can show up consistently and show he wants to be here he is still at end of bench or going to maine.

I definitely think he's going to be in Maine all season.

Maybe, but one Al Horford concussion away from being called up.  Brad likes using those Maine guys on a pinch.
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: fairweatherfan on July 06, 2018, 12:09:09 PM
We're trying to win a championship. If Williams gets significant minutes for us, it either means

- he's well ahead of the learning curve and either ready to contribute positively or expected to get there soon with some regular season reps

- we have a ton of frontcourt injuries and we need bodies out there.

The first one seems unlikely and I hope like hell we miss out on the 2nd one, so a lot of G League time is the most likely result.

You missed a third possibility.  We’re so good relative to the rest of the East that there is more rest given to the likes of Horford (off days on back-to-backs), and more garbage time minutes at the end of games.  This gives him enough opportunity for developmental minutes at the NBA level all season.

That's fair. The Warriors Special rotation would be nice.
Title: Re: Moritz Wagner vs. Robert Williams
Post by: Big333223 on July 06, 2018, 12:49:58 PM
I think Wagner is skilled already but he is limited by his athletic base.   Wiliams is the opposite with tons of potential, but low skill, a lot of guys never realize their potential, though.  But if he does he will be the better player but there is no guarantee that he will.

Williams is not "low skill", he just doesn't have the same "skill" as Wagner, namely shooting. Wagner isn't anwhere near the shotblocker, rebounder, and passer Williams is.

My guess is the C's just thought Williams switchability on D and rim protection is what they are looking for. They figured it would be easier to make Williams a passable shooter than Wagner a defender that can switch onto guards..

Regarding Williams' skill level, I've attached a lot of my hope for him to this play:

https://youtu.be/LwMuMY73Tgo?t=37s

The play where the clip starts, he catches the ball on a fast break, notices the defender before the ball gets there, stops on a dime to let the defender go past him but takes a dribble as it happens so he can get into position, avoids the defender swiping at the ball, and then dunks it.

I'm obviously reading a lot into this but that feels like the kind of move that someone like Deandre Jordan still doesn't really have the coordination for.
Title: Re: Moritz Wagner vs. Robert Williams
Post by: IDreamCeltics on July 06, 2018, 12:56:01 PM
Contrary to common opinion, Ainge and Stevens do not want "shooters." They want complete basketball players who can dribble-drive, shoot, pass, and defend multiple positions.

Wagner probably doesn't get on the court because of his slow feet and reaction times -- look at Greg Monroe.

So basically the opposite of Robert Williams?
Title: Re: Moritz Wagner vs. Robert Williams
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on July 06, 2018, 12:58:24 PM
Contrary to common opinion, Ainge and Stevens do not want "shooters." They want complete basketball players who can dribble-drive, shoot, pass, and defend multiple positions.

Wagner probably doesn't get on the court because of his slow feet and reaction times -- look at Greg Monroe.

So basically the opposite of Robert Williams?

I don't agree with you. As I watched Williams, I saw I guy who could defend multiple positions and pass. I also saw a few select plays of dribbling/driving and a potential jumpshot.
Title: Re: Moritz Wagner vs. Robert Williams
Post by: coffee425 on July 06, 2018, 12:59:12 PM
Contrary to common opinion, Ainge and Stevens do not want "shooters." They want complete basketball players who can dribble-drive, shoot, pass, and defend multiple positions.

Wagner probably doesn't get on the court because of his slow feet and reaction times -- look at Greg Monroe.

So basically the opposite of Robert Williams?

A nonathlete that's a defensive liability is 300x less valuable than an athlete that's an offensive liability.
Title: Re: Moritz Wagner vs. Robert Williams
Post by: IDreamCeltics on July 06, 2018, 01:06:04 PM
I think he still would have picked Williams because of his upside. Moritz Wagner will never be able to switch onto guards. I love Wagner and think he will be a good player, but Williams has the POTENTIAL to anchor a no. 1 Defense!
Where are you from? I'm from Wagners hometown Berlin and have seen him play with alba berlin some years ago, he was so thin back than I could have never imagined he would go to the Nba :D

Grüße aus Berlin! Go Celtics

I'm pretty surprised people think Robert Williams has so much potential.  He wasn't a star in college and no coach has come out from any level to call him a gym rat, talk about his love for the game or his commitment to his craft.  So far he has the physical tools... but so does everyone at the NBA level.


Anthony Randolph, Javale McGee, Bismack Biyombo these seem like the (hopeful) equivalents for the guy to me. 


I'd be stoked if he can spell Baynes minutes as a defender/rebounder who you don't have to run plays for.
Title: Re: Moritz Wagner vs. Robert Williams
Post by: Alleyoopster on July 06, 2018, 01:07:23 PM
Contrary to common opinion, Ainge and Stevens do not want "shooters." They want complete basketball players who can dribble-drive, shoot, pass, and defend multiple positions.

Wagner probably doesn't get on the court because of his slow feet and reaction times -- look at Greg Monroe.

So basically the opposite of Robert Williams?

A nonathlete that's a defensive liability is 300x less valuable than an athlete that's an offensive liability.

Wagner looked very comfortable on offense and defense in yesterday's Summer League game.

https://www.mlive.com/wolverines/index.ssf/2018/07/moe_wagner_posts_big_numbers_i.html

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2784677-sacramento-summer-league-2018-final-scores-stats-highlights-and-reaction
Title: Re: Moritz Wagner vs. Robert Williams
Post by: JHTruth on July 06, 2018, 01:21:32 PM
I think he still would have picked Williams because of his upside. Moritz Wagner will never be able to switch onto guards. I love Wagner and think he will be a good player, but Williams has the POTENTIAL to anchor a no. 1 Defense!
Where are you from? I'm from Wagners hometown Berlin and have seen him play with alba berlin some years ago, he was so thin back than I could have never imagined he would go to the Nba :D

Grüße aus Berlin! Go Celtics

I'm pretty surprised people think Robert Williams has so much potential.  He wasn't a star in college and no coach has come out from any level to call him a gym rat, talk about his love for the game or his commitment to his craft.  So far he has the physical tools... but so does everyone at the NBA level.


Anthony Randolph, Javale McGee, Bismack Biyombo these seem like the (hopeful) equivalents for the guy to me. 


I'd be stoked if he can spell Baynes minutes as a defender/rebounder who you don't have to run plays for.

He was a very good player in college. He was a superior rebounder on a % basis to JJJ or Bagley. He was a better shotblocker on a % basis to Ayton and Bagley.

He didn't get the pub, but he's a highly productive player. 9'5" stand reach with 40" vert. Great lateral quickness.

His college career and draft process seem to be somewhat of a mess which is why he probably dropped. But the talent is clearly there. Just needs to be channeled.

I like Wagner OK, just think he's a little overrated because Michigan went far in the tourney..
Title: Re: Moritz Wagner vs. Robert Williams
Post by: JHTruth on July 06, 2018, 01:28:47 PM
Contrary to common opinion, Ainge and Stevens do not want "shooters." They want complete basketball players who can dribble-drive, shoot, pass, and defend multiple positions.

Wagner probably doesn't get on the court because of his slow feet and reaction times -- look at Greg Monroe.

So basically the opposite of Robert Williams?

A nonathlete that's a defensive liability is 300x less valuable than an athlete that's an offensive liability.

Wagner looked very comfortable on offense and defense in yesterday's Summer League game.

https://www.mlive.com/wolverines/index.ssf/2018/07/moe_wagner_posts_big_numbers_i.html

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2784677-sacramento-summer-league-2018-final-scores-stats-highlights-and-reaction

Yeah surprisingly Bagley looks terrible (except when he played Wagner lol).

Wagner will have a place in the league. His lateral quickness does seem to be an issue however..
Title: Robert Williams vs Marcus Camby
Post by: KG Living Legend on July 06, 2018, 03:51:04 PM

 Camby 6'11"  7'6 wingspan 220 pounds

 Williams 6'10" 7'6" wingspan 240 pounds

 Cambys first two years college

 Camby 10.2 ppg 6.4 rpg 3.6 bpg fg% .494
 Second 13.9 ppg 6.2 rpg 3.4 bpg fg% .550

 What about Bob Williams?

Bobby 11.9 PPG 8.2 rpg 2.5 bpg.     Fg .589%
 Second 10.4 ppg 9.2 RPG 2.6 bpg fg% .668


 Camby dominated his junior year 20.5 ppg and was the third overall pick. Interestingly his PPG was his best his rookie season in the NBA.

 Camby a superior scorer and shot blockers. This guy played major minutes until he was 35 years old.

 Williams the better rebounder. A great comparison though, both incredibly quick for bigs and quick twitch off the ground.
Title: Re: Robert Williams vs Marcus Camby
Post by: Monkhouse on July 06, 2018, 03:52:49 PM
Williams would get eaten alive if he was back in Camby's era where big men with strength and post moves dominated.

Camby would get torn apart on defense, if he had to switch on the Al Horford's of today.

So sure, both similar measurements, but Williams seems like he fits our team, and the modern NBA better.
Title: Re: Robert Williams vs Marcus Camby
Post by: footey on July 06, 2018, 03:58:27 PM
Not a bad comparison

Watching RW trot up the court reminds me of Dennis Rodman.

He should watch a lot of his film. Rodman was like Smart in terms of effort, only longer.

We should be so lucky.
Title: Re: Robert Williams vs Marcus Camby
Post by: Eddie20 on July 06, 2018, 04:46:48 PM

 Camby 6'11"  7'6 wingspan 220 pounds

 Williams 6'10" 7'6" wingspan 240 pounds

I'm not buying Camby's listed height at all. Davis listed at 6"3", Ainge at 6"5. Plus, look at him next to other NBA stars in that rookie photo.

(https://clippers.newssurge.com/albums_clippers/group_pics/Baron_Davis_poses_with_Marcus_Camby.jpg)

(https://cbsboston.files.wordpress.com/2018/06/williams22.jpg)

(https://clutchpoints.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/1996-draft.jpg)
Title: Re: Robert Williams vs Marcus Camby
Post by: bellerephon on July 06, 2018, 05:18:41 PM

 Camby 6'11"  7'6 wingspan 220 pounds

 Williams 6'10" 7'6" wingspan 240 pounds

I'm not buying Camby's listed height at all. Davis listed at 6"3", Ainge at 6"5. Plus, look at him next to other NBA stars in that rookie photo.

(https://clippers.newssurge.com/albums_clippers/group_pics/Baron_Davis_poses_with_Marcus_Camby.jpg)

(https://cbsboston.files.wordpress.com/2018/06/williams22.jpg)

(https://clutchpoints.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/1996-draft.jpg)

You can't use pictures like this to compare players heights. There are too many variables that come into play. Which player is closer to the camera, how far apart are their feet, are they standing up as straight as possible etc. Camby was always listed at 6'11" and I never heard anyone doubt the truth of that. He certainly looked as tall as other NBA big men during his career. Maybe he was really 6'10", but I'm not buying that he was really 6'8" or something like that.
Title: Re: Robert Williams vs Marcus Camby
Post by: Eddie20 on July 06, 2018, 05:37:42 PM

 Camby 6'11"  7'6 wingspan 220 pounds

 Williams 6'10" 7'6" wingspan 240 pounds

I'm not buying Camby's listed height at all. Davis listed at 6"3", Ainge at 6"5. Plus, look at him next to other NBA stars in that rookie photo.

(https://clippers.newssurge.com/albums_clippers/group_pics/Baron_Davis_poses_with_Marcus_Camby.jpg)

(https://cbsboston.files.wordpress.com/2018/06/williams22.jpg)

(https://clutchpoints.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/1996-draft.jpg)

You can't use pictures like this to compare players heights. There are too many variables that come into play. Which player is closer to the camera, how far apart are their feet, are they standing up as straight as possible etc. Camby was always listed at 6'11" and I never heard anyone doubt the truth of that. He certainly looked as tall as other NBA big men during his career. Maybe he was really 6'10", but I'm not buying that he was really 6'8" or something like that.

No, I'm saying he's clearly taller than his listed height. He probably did a KG.
Title: Re: Robert Williams vs Marcus Camby
Post by: KG Living Legend on July 06, 2018, 07:13:36 PM

 Don't think so. He's right around 6'11" maybe even just under shoes off.
Title: Re: Robert Williams vs Marcus Camby
Post by: Quetzalcoatl on July 06, 2018, 07:17:50 PM
I really doubt it.  Marcus Camby was like the greatest fantasy basketball player of all time.  Williams isn't anywhere as near rounded
Title: Re: Robert Williams vs Marcus Camby
Post by: GreenEnvy on July 06, 2018, 08:26:34 PM
I really doubt it.  Marcus Camby was like the greatest fantasy basketball player of all time.  Williams isn't anywhere as near rounded

?????

I’m not sure where that’s coming from. Because he led the league in blocks? I know he was an elite rebounder, but mediocre to bad at just about everything else.
Title: Re: Robert Williams vs Marcus Camby
Post by: Surferdad on July 06, 2018, 08:31:42 PM
I think RW is more like Tyson Chandler, not Camby.
Title: Re: Robert Williams vs Marcus Camby
Post by: Celtics4ever on July 06, 2018, 08:39:20 PM
He is already a stronger build than Camby and he is not even a pro yet.
Title: Re: Robert Williams vs Marcus Camby
Post by: Ogaju on July 06, 2018, 08:45:34 PM

 Camby 6'11"  7'6 wingspan 220 pounds

 Williams 6'10" 7'6" wingspan 240 pounds

I'm not buying Camby's listed height at all. Davis listed at 6"3", Ainge at 6"5. Plus, look at him next to other NBA stars in that rookie photo.

(https://clippers.newssurge.com/albums_clippers/group_pics/Baron_Davis_poses_with_Marcus_Camby.jpg)

(https://cbsboston.files.wordpress.com/2018/06/williams22.jpg)

(https://clutchpoints.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/1996-draft.jpg)

It is telling that Kobe had the ball.....Unicorn.
Title: Re: Robert Williams vs Marcus Camby
Post by: Quetzalcoatl on July 06, 2018, 09:19:44 PM
I really doubt it.  Marcus Camby was like the greatest fantasy basketball player of all time.  Williams isn't anywhere as near rounded

?????

I’m not sure where that’s coming from. Because he led the league in blocks? I know he was an elite rebounder, but mediocre to bad at just about everything else.

FG%, blocks, rebounds, assists from the C position - he was a top ten fantasy player for like 8 seasons and finished overall in points in my league 2 or 3 times. 

Also after this Summer League game I am warming up to this idea after all.  Hope he's ok
Title: Re: Robert Williams vs Marcus Camby
Post by: BigDogPitbull on July 06, 2018, 09:29:36 PM
This kid can't even make it to practice.  My expectations are much lower.   Try Jordan Mickey.
Title: Re: Robert Williams makes two practices in a row
Post by: green_bballers13 on July 06, 2018, 11:48:37 PM
Admittedly, this is probably my fault, but, like, can we please stop with all of this, at least until he does something else to warrant additional ire? Yeesh ::).

I agree. Some Celtics fans suck. Most are good and want the team to do well. Others are miserable and enjoy talking smack about a 20 year old.
Title: Re: Robert Williams makes two practices in a row
Post by: ozgod on July 07, 2018, 02:43:35 AM
Just listened to Robert Williams' interview after his first game. He's a very articulate young man. With guidance and his teammates and coaching staff holding him accountable I think he will be quite successful.

https://www.masslive.com/celtics/index.ssf/2018/07/robert_williams_injury_boston.html

Title: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Roy H. on July 07, 2018, 10:26:06 AM
Lost in all the "immaturity" concerns were reports that Williams slid in the draft in part due to concerns about his knee.  I haven't seen a lot of details about what those knee issues were, other than that they concerned at least some NBA teams.

Last night, pain in the area of preexisting knee tendinitis was mentioned as a reason that Williams' didn't return to the game.

Is this a concern going forward?  Has anybody heard any details of the knee issues Williams had?  Could simple tendinitis be enough to red flag a player leading up to the draft, or is it likely something more?
Title: Re: Robert Williams' knee
Post by: footey on July 07, 2018, 10:38:52 AM
They said he had some tendinitis that was aggravated when he banged it last night.

Hoping not serious.
Title: Re: Robert Williams' knee
Post by: knuckleballer on July 07, 2018, 10:41:38 AM
I haven't heard details of his pre-existing condition, but during the game last night, they said he banged knees with another player and had a contusion.  That doesn't sound like anything to worry about.
Title: Re: Robert Williams' knee
Post by: tazzmaniac on July 07, 2018, 10:42:59 AM
I don't recall him missing any games because of his knee at Texas A&M.  There were some times this season that he tweaked his knee during games I watched.  Most of the time he shook it off and stayed in the game.  This was the 1st I heard knee tendinitis mentioned. 

Title: Re: Robert Williams' knee
Post by: hwangjini_1 on July 07, 2018, 10:58:33 AM
i dont know. how about this? let's wait and see?  ;D
Title: Re: Robert Williams' knee
Post by: Roy H. on July 07, 2018, 11:03:41 AM
I don't recall him missing any games because of his knee at Texas A&M.  There were some times this season that he tweaked his knee during games I watched.  Most of the time he shook it off and stayed in the game.  This was the 1st I heard knee tendinitis mentioned.

Yeah, that's why I'm a bit confused.  He didn't seem to miss time, but the knee was mentioned in draft reports as a reason for the slide.  Ainge mentioned in Rozier's FaceTime call on draft night that the Celts were reviewing medical reports.

Is occasional pain ("jumper's knee") reason to pass on a draft prospect?

It's one of those things that the fans don't have all the information on, and I'm curious to know what's up.
Title: Re: Robert Williams' knee
Post by: rollie mass on July 07, 2018, 11:29:21 AM
Didn't Robert mention had a MRI after arriving
Title: Re: Robert Williams' knee
Post by: TomHeinsohn on July 07, 2018, 11:37:45 AM
When I was 19 I had horrible jumper's knee from playing too much basketball. I started training my legs with heavy squats and lunges and haven't had the pain since. I am not concerned.
Title: Re: Robert Williams' knee
Post by: Jiri Welsch on July 07, 2018, 12:00:10 PM
When I was 19 I had horrible jumper's knee from playing too much basketball. I started training my legs with heavy squats and lunges and haven't had the pain since. I am not concerned.

All bodies are the same!

Just joking, I’m not worried yet either.
Title: Re: Robert Williams' knee
Post by: TomHeinsohn on July 07, 2018, 12:05:35 PM
When I was 19 I had horrible jumper's knee from playing too much basketball. I started training my legs with heavy squats and lunges and haven't had the pain since. I am not concerned.

All bodies are the same!

Just joking, I’m not worried yet either.

I'd think his 19 year old tendinitis would be worse because of all the growing he has done. I think he just needs time to "grow into his body"
Title: Re: Robert Williams' knee
Post by: billysan on July 07, 2018, 01:07:42 PM
Pretty sure his knee was checked by our medical staff pre draft and pre contract.

I doubt we sign him if they didnt believe it was structurally sound or at least confident it was repairable if necessay. Tendonitis is inflammation with pain but not serious structural problems usually, if I'm  not mistaken. Hopefully not cause for concern.
Title: Re: Robert Williams' knee
Post by: saltlover on July 07, 2018, 01:10:35 PM
Pretty sure his knee was checked by our medical staff pre draft and pre contract.

I doubt we sign him if they didnt believe it was structurally sound or at least confident it was repairable if necessay. Tendonitis is inflammation with pain but not structural problems usually, if I'm  not mistaken.

He was not checked by staff pre-draft.  They were sent medical records maybe 30 minute before he was picked.  I assume he would have had a pre-contract physical, but I don’t think that would have prevented his signing unless he was liable to never be able to play, since his contract is near-minimum salary territory this year.
Title: Re: Robert Williams' knee
Post by: billysan on July 07, 2018, 01:14:33 PM
Pretty sure his knee was checked by our medical staff pre draft and pre contract.

I doubt we sign him if they didnt believe it was structurally sound or at least confident it was repairable if necessay. Tendonitis is inflammation with pain but not structural problems usually, if I'm  not mistaken.

He was not checked by staff pre-draft.  They were sent medical records maybe 30 minute before he was picked.  I assume he would have had a pre-contract physical, but I don’t think that would have prevented his signing unless he was liable to never be able to play, since his contract is near-minimum salary territory this year.

I'll  have to take your word for it, but that seems like a small window to spend even just a couple million on a draft pick. High risk potential but maybe thats the nature of the business.
Title: Re: Robert Williams' knee
Post by: green_bballers13 on July 07, 2018, 01:30:48 PM
Pretty sure his knee was checked by our medical staff pre draft and pre contract.

I doubt we sign him if they didnt believe it was structurally sound or at least confident it was repairable if necessay. Tendonitis is inflammation with pain but not structural problems usually, if I'm  not mistaken.

He was not checked by staff pre-draft.  They were sent medical records maybe 30 minute before he was picked.  I assume he would have had a pre-contract physical, but I don’t think that would have prevented his signing unless he was liable to never be able to play, since his contract is near-minimum salary territory this year.

I'll  have to take your word for it, but that seems like a small window to spend even just a couple million on a draft pick. High risk potential but maybe thats the nature of the business.

I'm not sure about a high risk. He was the 27th pick in the draft, and there are a lot of scrubs in the league on longer/bigger contracts. I'd say picking Williams was a small risk.
Title: Re: Robert Williams' knee
Post by: bknova on July 07, 2018, 01:33:15 PM
He's a number 27 pick joining an Eastern Conference Finalist.  Its a low risk/potentially high reward pick.  There should be little to no expectation here.  Anything he gives us is gravy.  And if he can become a situational rotation player, its a win.
Title: Re: Robert Williams' knee
Post by: Emmette Bryant on July 07, 2018, 02:26:13 PM
He probably just needs to strengthen his quads I doubt that it's a big deal.
Title: Re: Robert Williams' knee
Post by: Ogaju on July 07, 2018, 02:29:39 PM
Maybe we should ask KG's Knee?
Title: Robert Williams dominates in 6 minutes of summer league action!
Post by: IDreamCeltics on July 07, 2018, 02:31:00 PM
Six minutes of Russell-like ball last night lead to 4 pts and 2 rbs before he chose to sit  the rest of the game.

Highlights -

https://youtu.be/bJZjczfdBjc
Title: Re: Robert Williams dominates in 6 minutes of summer league action!
Post by: Eja117 on July 07, 2018, 02:35:14 PM
The biggest achievement was showing up. So we got that. Granted then he sat right away
Title: Re: Robert Williams dominates in 6 minutes of summer league action!
Post by: ederson on July 07, 2018, 02:38:36 PM
Six minutes of Russell-like ball last night lead to 4 pts and 2 rbs before he chose to sit  the rest of the game.

Highlights -

https://youtu.be/bJZjczfdBjc

I get the point but it is not the kid's fault people dream with the eyes open.
Title: Re: Robert Williams' knee
Post by: vjcsmoke on July 07, 2018, 02:42:25 PM
I'm sure the Celtics doctors are checking out his knee thoroughly.  If it was serious they would say it was.  I know we want to see him play as much as possible in preseason but it seems they were just being careful with him.
Title: Re: Robert Williams dominates in 6 minutes of summer league action!
Post by: hodgy03038 on July 07, 2018, 06:59:24 PM
I wouldn't exactly say he dominated. He looked pretty good and made an outside shot and a dunk but dominated?  Is he playing tonight or are they holding him out because of a knee bump? A knee bump would not keep Baynes out of a game so let's man up and be tough.
Title: Re: Robert Williams dominates in 6 minutes of summer league action!
Post by: Jiri Welsch on July 07, 2018, 07:09:49 PM
Semi is Jordan-like
Title: Re: Robert Williams dominates in 6 minutes of summer league action!
Post by: kgwannabe on July 07, 2018, 07:54:13 PM
The most worrisome aspect of Willams debut was that he was totally gassed after about four minutes. He worked hard, but was clearly spent even before he was taken out of the game. He showed good athleticism but is clearly way out of shape. This only reenforces the concerns about his motivation, etc.. He's got a long way to go, and will be susceptible to injury while he gets in game-shape. Hopefully he can stay on the court because he surely needs the minutes.
Title: Re: Robert Williams dominates in 6 minutes of summer league action!
Post by: rocknrollforyoursoul on July 07, 2018, 08:09:59 PM
Oh, summer league ... I can't get excited about it at all.
Title: Re: Robert Williams' knee
Post by: Beat LA on July 07, 2018, 09:06:39 PM
Maybe we should ask KG's Knee?

Lol, TP ;D.
Title: Re: Robert Williams dominates in 6 minutes of summer league action!
Post by: Snakehead on July 07, 2018, 09:18:18 PM
I look for moments in Summer League and hopefully some consistency with them more than stats.  Of course he hardly had time out there, but the face up jump shot and the dunk he had around the rim were encouraging plays.  Both are things that he could also do effectively in the NBA.
Title: Re: Robert Williams makes two practices in a row
Post by: Snakehead on July 07, 2018, 09:30:56 PM
Ah, Celtic fans, always so supportive.

It's when we stop being sarcastic that you need to be worried. All of this comes from having pretty high expectations for him.

If people start acting like him missing a practice is no big deal or par for the course, THEN it's an issue

I thought it came from drunken posting.

TP  Drunken posting....now that explains a lot. May try it myself.

With the new marijuana dispensaries opening up. Next step will likely be posting while high. Oh Boy!!!

The posts will get a little longer but probably still be pretty clear.  8)
Title: Re: Robert Williams dominates in 6 minutes of summer league action!
Post by: Celtics4ever on July 07, 2018, 09:31:40 PM
Quote
The most worrisome aspect of Willams debut was that he was totally gassed after about four minutes

His knee was hurt, he hurt it on the super rebound and stayed in until the end of the quarter.  You don't think that played a role?   Maybe, you're unaware of that fact?
Title: Re: Robert Williams makes two practices in a row
Post by: Snakehead on July 07, 2018, 09:42:12 PM
Admittedly, this is probably my fault, but, like, can we please stop with all of this, at least until he does something else to warrant additional ire? Yeesh ::).

I agree. Some Celtics fans suck. Most are good and want the team to do well. Others are miserable and enjoy talking smack about a 20 year old.

TP to you both.
Title: Re: Robert Williams dominates in 6 minutes of summer league action!
Post by: SHAQATTACK on July 07, 2018, 09:54:02 PM
He played active and played hard and made a postive impact for his team .

About all you could ask a raw 20 yr old rookie
Title: Re: Robert Williams' knee
Post by: SHAQATTACK on July 07, 2018, 09:59:59 PM
Maybe we should ask KG's Knee?

His knee is not a talking knee












his ...is a wounded Knee .
Title: Re: Robert Williams' knee
Post by: Beat LA on July 07, 2018, 10:10:09 PM
Maybe we should ask KG's Knee?

His knee is not a talking knee












his ...is a wounded Knee .

Lol, TP ;D.
Title: Re: Robert Williams dominates in 6 minutes of summer league action!
Post by: knuckleballer on July 07, 2018, 10:40:39 PM
Williams is impressed with Baynes...

Tom Westerhol@Tom_NBA
Robert Williams says he got some work in with Aron Baynes back in Boston: “I didn’t know a guy’s hand could be so strong. Just one hand."

https://mobile.twitter.com/Tom_NBA/status/1015433584750891009?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1015433584750891009&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fnesn.com%2F2018%2F07%2Fwhy-celtics-robert-williams-was-taken-aback-by-workout-with-aron-baynes%2F


When you're the size of all of Australia, you're going to have a strong hand.   :)
Title: Re: Robert Williams' knee
Post by: tenn_smoothie on July 08, 2018, 12:29:46 AM
I had a bad case of tendinitis in my knees in college - they are the two chords running down the back of your knee, easy to locate. My case was due to naturally very high arches combined with daily practice and a shoe that did not have enough arch support - not unusual in those days. I switched to Adidas and the tendinitis cleared right up.
Title: Re: Robert Williams' knee
Post by: Hoopvortex on July 08, 2018, 02:31:29 PM
Maybe we should ask KG's Knee?

His knee is not a talking knee












his ...is a wounded Knee .

Well played, sir!
Title: Re: Robert Williams' knee
Post by: Hoopvortex on July 08, 2018, 02:46:33 PM
Lost in all the "immaturity" concerns were reports that Williams slid in the draft in part due to concerns about his knee.  I haven't seen a lot of details about what those knee issues were, other than that they concerned at least some NBA teams.

Last night, pain in the area of preexisting knee tendinitis was mentioned as a reason that Williams' didn't return to the game.

Is this a concern going forward?  Has anybody heard any details of the knee issues Williams had?  Could simple tendinitis be enough to red flag a player leading up to the draft, or is it likely something more?

Quadriceps tendinitis from overuse is very common among basketball players. Banging and bruising a tendon that is already inflamed is cause for caution, not concern. Simple tendinitis by itself should not be a red flag.

Multiple muscles are used in jumping and sprinting, not just the quads; training hip joint and back muscles to take more responsibility is possible, in other words, to relieve the work load at the knee.
Title: Re: Robert Williams' knee
Post by: Roy H. on July 08, 2018, 02:55:55 PM
Lost in all the "immaturity" concerns were reports that Williams slid in the draft in part due to concerns about his knee.  I haven't seen a lot of details about what those knee issues were, other than that they concerned at least some NBA teams.

Last night, pain in the area of preexisting knee tendinitis was mentioned as a reason that Williams' didn't return to the game.

Is this a concern going forward?  Has anybody heard any details of the knee issues Williams had?  Could simple tendinitis be enough to red flag a player leading up to the draft, or is it likely something more?

Quadriceps tendinitis from overuse is very common among basketball players. Banging and bruising a tendon that is already inflamed is cause for caution, not concern. Simple tendinitis by itself should not be a red flag.

Multiple muscles are used in jumping and sprinting, not just the quads; training hip joint and back muscles to take more responsibility is possible, in other words, to relieve the work load at the knee.

If the injury / condition was part of the reason for the slide, does that suggest its more than tendinitis? Or is tendinitis a reason that super-cautious teams would pass?
Title: Re: Robert Williams' knee
Post by: Hoopvortex on July 08, 2018, 03:02:31 PM
Lost in all the "immaturity" concerns were reports that Williams slid in the draft in part due to concerns about his knee.  I haven't seen a lot of details about what those knee issues were, other than that they concerned at least some NBA teams.

Last night, pain in the area of preexisting knee tendinitis was mentioned as a reason that Williams' didn't return to the game.

Is this a concern going forward?  Has anybody heard any details of the knee issues Williams had?  Could simple tendinitis be enough to red flag a player leading up to the draft, or is it likely something more?

Quadriceps tendinitis from overuse is very common among basketball players. Banging and bruising a tendon that is already inflamed is cause for caution, not concern. Simple tendinitis by itself should not be a red flag.

Multiple muscles are used in jumping and sprinting, not just the quads; training hip joint and back muscles to take more responsibility is possible, in other words, to relieve the work load at the knee.

If the injury / condition was part of the reason for the slide, does that suggest its more than tendinitis? Or is tendinitis a reason that super-cautious teams would pass?

It suggests more, with the caveat that there are lots of degrees of extent and severity. One thing is obvious even to a casual observer: whatever the condition, if any, it wasn’t stopping him from jumping, and jumping high.
Title: Re: Robert Williams' knee
Post by: hwangjini_1 on July 08, 2018, 04:23:34 PM
I am largely ignorant of the circumstances surrounding the draft status of Williams, but why let that stop me from posting?  ;D I know people talked about some sort of problem with his knee, but I think possibly compounding that was the lack of availability of medical information.

He didn't go to the combine and a number of teams did not have that info. Couple that with rumors on his knee, lack of mid/long shooting, and suspensions, and I can see why some teams may have elected to pass on him.

https://nesn.com/2018/06/nba-rumors-heres-why-robert-williams-slipped-to-celtics-in-nba-draft/

Title: Re: Robert Williams' knee
Post by: Beat LA on July 08, 2018, 05:19:27 PM
I am largely ignorant of the circumstances surrounding the draft status of Williams, but why let that stop me from posting?  ;D I know people talked about some sort of problem with his knee, but I think possibly compounding that was the lack of availability of medical information.

He didn't go to the combine and a number of teams did not have that info. Couple that with rumors on his knee, lack of mid/long shooting, and suspensions, and I can see why some teams may have elected to pass on him.

https://nesn.com/2018/06/nba-rumors-heres-why-robert-williams-slipped-to-celtics-in-nba-draft/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKZJdaiJF84

;) ;D
Title: Re: Robert Williams' knee
Post by: celticinorlando on July 08, 2018, 06:33:20 PM
I believe Williams will spend most of the season in Maine and will not be much in the rotation.
Title: Re: Robert Williams' knee
Post by: green_bballers13 on July 08, 2018, 08:46:52 PM
I believe Williams will spend most of the season in Maine and will not be much in the rotation.

I agree with this. He's a talented project. The Celtics already have a solid 8 guys to take up a majority of the minutes. Unless he's producing at a high level (not likely in his first year), he's going to get less than 10 min a game. I'd rather see him play 30+ while working on his offensive game. This also clears up another spot for a player that can help the team this year.

Williams is a high upside development pick. While he is likely capable of playing NBA defense right now, I'm not sure he's more than a replacement level player at this point.
Title: Re: Robert Williams' knee
Post by: kmart12 on July 08, 2018, 09:15:52 PM
I believe Williams will spend most of the season in Maine and will not be much in the rotation.

I agree with this. He's a talented project. The Celtics already have a solid 8 guys to take up a majority of the minutes. Unless he's producing at a high level (not likely in his first year), he's going to get less than 10 min a game. I'd rather see him play 30+ while working on his offensive game. This also clears up another spot for a player that can help the team this year.

Williams is a high upside development pick. While he is likely capable of playing NBA defense right now, I'm not sure he's more than a replacement level player at this point.

I would be content if he could produce at a replacement-level right now; he'd be a nice stopgap for Baynes and Horford.
Title: Re: Robert Williams' knee
Post by: Hoopvortex on July 08, 2018, 09:34:51 PM
I believe Williams will spend most of the season in Maine and will not be much in the rotation.

He looks ready to me to merit NBA minutes, but he’s got three or four bigs in front of him, plus a couple of swings.

He’s physically ready (given a healthy knee); he seems to have pretty good feel for the game; and he is skilled at things the team needs. I’m going to predict no more than spot minutes until January or February, by which time there’s a good chance that an opportunity will open up for him.
Title: Re: Robert Williams' knee
Post by: Hoopvortex on July 08, 2018, 09:50:16 PM
I believe Williams will spend most of the season in Maine and will not be much in the rotation.

I agree with this. He's a talented project. The Celtics already have a solid 8 guys to take up a majority of the minutes. Unless he's producing at a high level (not likely in his first year), he's going to get less than 10 min a game. I'd rather see him play 30+ while working on his offensive game. This also clears up another spot for a player that can help the team this year.

Williams is a high upside development pick. While he is likely capable of playing NBA defense right now, I'm not sure he's more than a replacement level player at this point.

Given the issues with his shot mechanics, a lot of reps in the G-League in November/December looks like a good way to address them.
Title: Stats suggest Williams our best big...
Post by: IDreamCeltics on July 09, 2018, 02:52:52 PM
After two games of summer league play Robert Williams is posting per 36 numbers of 24 pts and 12 rebounds.  Is he arguably our best big?
Title: Re: Stats suggest Williams our best big...
Post by: saltlover on July 09, 2018, 02:53:49 PM
No.
Title: Re: Robert Williams' knee
Post by: Roy H. on July 09, 2018, 03:33:19 PM
Williams is being held out again, reportedly for precautionary reasons.
Title: Re: Robert Williams' knee
Post by: JHTruth on July 09, 2018, 03:34:28 PM
Williams is being held out again, reportedly for precautionary reasons.

Sucks for fans, but the right call. I mean it's SL. Remember when the Lakers sat Lonzo and Ingram for the entire SL pretty much..
Title: Re: Robert Williams' knee
Post by: JHTruth on July 09, 2018, 03:35:22 PM
I believe Williams will spend most of the season in Maine and will not be much in the rotation.

He looks ready to me to merit NBA minutes, but he’s got three or four bigs in front of him, plus a couple of swings.

He’s physically ready (given a healthy knee); he seems to have pretty good feel for the game; and he is skilled at things the team needs. I’m going to predict no more than spot minutes until January or February, by which time there’s a good chance that an opportunity will open up for him.

I think he'll start the season in Maine, if for no other reason to get some burn and then be on the big roster in the Spring and into the Playoffs..
Title: Re: Robert Williams' knee
Post by: footey on July 09, 2018, 04:00:13 PM
shoot, was looking forward to seeing him play again. Might just pass then on tonight's game.
Title: Re: Robert Williams' knee
Post by: Fafnir on July 09, 2018, 04:11:22 PM
I missed his first few minutes and doesn't seem like I'll see him play at all at this point.
Title: Re: Robert Williams' knee
Post by: saltlover on July 09, 2018, 04:12:26 PM
I missed his first few minutes and doesn't seem like I'll see him play at all at this point.

Ditto.
Title: Re: Robert Williams' knee
Post by: Celtics4ever on July 09, 2018, 04:14:41 PM
Here was the highlights if you have not seen them.  Minus the high flying rebound he got hurt on banging knees.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJZjczfdBjc
Title: Re: Robert Williams' knee
Post by: JHTruth on July 09, 2018, 04:16:56 PM
I missed his first few minutes and doesn't seem like I'll see him play at all at this point.

Ditto.

Preseason will be here before you know it :)
Title: Re: Robert Williams' knee
Post by: saltlover on July 09, 2018, 04:18:02 PM
I missed his first few minutes and doesn't seem like I'll see him play at all at this point.

Ditto.

Preseason will be here before you know it :)

But what if he’s traded by then?
Title: Re: Robert Williams' knee
Post by: JHTruth on July 09, 2018, 04:19:36 PM
I missed his first few minutes and doesn't seem like I'll see him play at all at this point.

Ditto.

Preseason will be here before you know it :)

But what if he’s traded by then?

Doubtful. I mean unless AD is coming dont see us making any moves..
Title: Re: Robert Williams' knee
Post by: saltlover on July 09, 2018, 04:20:54 PM
I missed his first few minutes and doesn't seem like I'll see him play at all at this point.

Ditto.

Preseason will be here before you know it :)

But what if he’s traded by then?

Doubtful. I mean unless AD is coming dont see us making any moves..

I didn’t see the Kyrie trade coming by this time last summer.  You never can tell with Ainge.  (That said, I was kidding).
Title: Re: Robert Williams' knee
Post by: JHTruth on July 09, 2018, 04:22:12 PM
I missed his first few minutes and doesn't seem like I'll see him play at all at this point.

Ditto.

Preseason will be here before you know it :)

But what if he’s traded by then?

Doubtful. I mean unless AD is coming dont see us making any moves..

I didn’t see the Kyrie trade coming by this time last summer.  You never can tell with Ainge.  (That said, I was kidding).

True. But not sure what moves would make sense for us out there on the horizon other than that
Title: Re: Robert Williams dominates in 6 minutes of summer league action!
Post by: YoungOne87 on July 09, 2018, 06:29:08 PM
Williams seems to be our next James Young, a lot of potential never used.

Hopefully I am wrong...
Title: Re: Robert Williams dominates in 6 minutes of summer league action!
Post by: footey on July 09, 2018, 06:38:25 PM
Williams seems to be our next James Young, a lot of potential never used.

Hopefully I am wrong...

Williams and Young are nothing alike.
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: Eddie20 on July 09, 2018, 07:13:52 PM
Quote
Mark Murphy
‏@Murf56
With Williams (knee contusion) out again tonight, Ainge not sure if the rookie will be shut down for rest of summer league. "Don't know. Just taking it day by day right now."

Sleepy Williams might have more time to catch some Z's.
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: celticsclay on July 09, 2018, 07:17:53 PM
Quote
Mark Murphy
‏@Murf56
With Williams (knee contusion) out again tonight, Ainge not sure if the rookie will be shut down for rest of summer league. "Don't know. Just taking it day by day right now."

Sleepy Williams might have more time to catch some Z's.

man has a fan base ever turned on a guy quicker?
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: IDreamCeltics on July 09, 2018, 07:20:45 PM
Quote
Mark Murphy
‏@Murf56
With Williams (knee contusion) out again tonight, Ainge not sure if the rookie will be shut down for rest of summer league. "Don't know. Just taking it day by day right now."

Sleepy Williams might have more time to catch some Z's.

man has a fan base ever turned on a guy quicker?

You make it sound like it's not justified.  He's been reliably unreliable since day 1 (which he missed).
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: bellerephon on July 09, 2018, 07:34:50 PM
He's made one mistake thus far. He missed the plane which caused him to miss practice. I'm not dismissing that, it's a big mistake and bears watching. I don't care even a little bit about the conference call, that's a complete non-issue to me. Since the missed practice there have been no problems. Saying he's totally unreliable is hyperbole.
Title: Re: Robert Williams dominates in 6 minutes of summer league action!
Post by: bellerephon on July 09, 2018, 07:42:31 PM
Williams seems to be our next James Young, a lot of potential never used.

Hopefully I am wrong...
I'm having a hard time understanding this point of view. Williams hasn't been around long enough for us to make this sort of judgment. He's being kept out of action because they don't want to take any chances with his knee. Standard practice for summer league.
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: Eddie20 on July 09, 2018, 08:48:28 PM
Quote
Mark Murphy
‏@Murf56
With Williams (knee contusion) out again tonight, Ainge not sure if the rookie will be shut down for rest of summer league. "Don't know. Just taking it day by day right now."

Sleepy Williams might have more time to catch some Z's.

man has a fan base ever turned on a guy quicker?

Well, considering the thread title and the way it puts the cart before the horse, I think it's appropriate to get some resistance. Plus, let's be honest, Boston loves it's blue-collar/hardworking types, so having a reputation for having a bad work ethic, with a low motor, and being immature doesn't help matters.
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: rollie mass on July 09, 2018, 09:12:12 PM
Hyperbole look it up-
The fact is he has the tools and the Celtics have the organization and Horford  and the young guys
He was vulnerable on arrival that was when he needed support ,

Can guard one through  five and can play 2.5 feet above the rim. and 2 ft from standing
SEC defensive player of the year, he loves to play defense
He has the physical tools the gifts necessary  to make this possible.Time will tell. OOPS .
You just like to bash potential and criticize
Your baiting again.
i'm living in your head rent free.



Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: hwangjini_1 on July 09, 2018, 09:15:44 PM
Hyperbole look it up-
The fact is he has the tools and the Celtics have the organization and Horford  and the young guys
He was vulnerable on arrival that was when he needed support ,can guard one through  five and can play 2.5 feet above the rim. and 2 ft from standing
SEC defensive player of the year, he loves to play defense
Your baiting again.
i'm living in your head rent free.
ha, ha, ha....very cute rollie.

but yes, if williams needs help while he matures, this is the team for him. i hope he works out as well as many folks think.
Title: Re: Robert Williams' knee
Post by: Ogaju on July 09, 2018, 11:35:01 PM
There is finally a diagnosis for Williams's knee problems and this provides a little more clarity because I did not notice any major injury to the knee in that one game  in summer league. Hopefully the Celtics doctors can treat his knees now that they have a diagnosis.
Title: Re: Robert Williams' knee
Post by: JHTruth on July 10, 2018, 12:00:49 AM
There is finally a diagnosis for Williams's knee problems and this provides a little more clarity because I did not notice any major injury to the knee in that one game  in summer league. Hopefully the Celtics doctors can treat his knees now that they have a diagnosis.

It's not that serious. Eventually it may require a procedure but nothing close yet..
Title: Re: Robert Williams' knee
Post by: mmmmm on July 10, 2018, 12:06:32 AM
When I was 19 I had horrible jumper's knee from playing too much basketball. I started training my legs with heavy squats and lunges and haven't had the pain since. I am not concerned.

Sounds a bit like patella/femoral syndrome.   Had that once.  Very painful.  Strengthening the quads made it disappear.
Title: Bob Williams has artery condition in Both Legs
Post by: KG Living Legend on July 10, 2018, 12:11:45 AM
https://articles.masslive.com/celtics/index.ssf/2018/07/sources_boston_celtics_rookie.amp
Title: Re: Bob Williams has artery condition in Both Legs
Post by: JHTruth on July 10, 2018, 12:12:41 AM
Doesn't seem too serious.
Title: Re: Bob Williams has artery condition in Both Legs
Post by: KG Living Legend on July 10, 2018, 12:15:13 AM

 I'm sure this help the draft slide though.
Title: Re: Bob Williams has artery condition in Both Legs
Post by: wiley on July 10, 2018, 12:26:15 AM
Can the blog go with Robert...?

I'm tired of spending precious seconds not knowing who we're talking about...
Title: Re: Bob Williams has artery condition in Both Legs
Post by: Ogaju on July 10, 2018, 12:50:58 AM
There is already a thread on Robert's Knee..... merge with that.
Title: Re: Bob Williams has artery condition in Both Legs
Post by: SparzWizard on July 10, 2018, 01:31:40 AM
Already the injury bugs striking on the Celtics!   :(
Title: Re: Bob Williams has artery condition in Both Legs
Post by: Rondo9 on July 10, 2018, 01:35:40 AM
Already the injury bugs striking on the Celtics!   :(

Huh? They said it wasn’t too serious.
Title: Re: Bob Williams has artery condition in Both Legs
Post by: Beat LA on July 10, 2018, 02:00:31 AM
(https://i.redd.it/m2afjmxknnz01.gif)
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: RockinRyA on July 10, 2018, 02:22:20 AM
There are a lot of hyperboles and overreaction in this thread.

Fact is, Williams has a lot of potential, but even if he maximizes that, I don't think he'll be a masterpiece. He won't ever be an all-nba candidate, and that is what a masterpiece should at least be.

He also had a lot of question marks and has made 3? mistakes already. But it is still too early to judge a player. I mean, when I was 20 I was missing classes left and right playing video games.
Title: Re: Bob Williams has artery condition in Both Legs
Post by: RockinRyA on July 10, 2018, 02:23:29 AM
Whos this Bob?
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: Celtics4ever on July 10, 2018, 06:59:14 AM
This happens every year as we get new rookies.  People either deify them or crap all over them.
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: saltlover on July 10, 2018, 07:23:08 AM
This happens every year as we get new rookies.  People either deify them or crap all over them.

Moderation of thought is not really part of society these days, in most any arena.
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: Eddie20 on July 10, 2018, 07:58:56 AM
He was vulnerable on arrival that was when he needed support ,

Oh, come on, the guy is getting paid millions to play basketball, he's not going through a terminal illness or getting sent to war. Stop making excuses for him. Do you believe in accountability?

This happens every year as we get new rookies.  People either deify them or crap all over them.

Moderation of thought is not really part of society these days, in most any arena.

I do think Williams has a lot of talent, but there have been countless players that have had more physical gifts and have flamed out. There are major issues with this guy from the neck up, so the thread title and the excuses people make for his behavior is pretty comical. At this point, Williams could murder someone and some will probably just blame it on the C's.
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: kmart12 on July 10, 2018, 08:03:16 AM
This happens every year as we get new rookies.  People either deify them or crap all over them.

Moderation of thought is not really part of society these days, in most any arena.

I thought nothing of this year's draft given our draft position, until all of the "biggest steal of the draft" articles came out the next day proclaiming Williams as a an unmissable gem of a prospect. I bought into it, but I think, aligning with your point, it's best to hit the brakes a bit and see it for what it is.

For a 27th pick, Williams is worth taking a chance on (insert excitement); however, there's a reason why Williams was available at 27 (insert rationality).
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: Vermont Green on July 10, 2018, 08:33:00 AM
I am going to go way out on a limb here and predict that Williams does not do much this season.  He has a lot to learn on and off the court.  Better to learn at Portland.  I don't like seeing a roster spot used in this way but we can afford to set aside one spot for this type of development.  He clearly has significant potential.

There really is no easy way to develop talent in the NBA.  He is the type of player that often gets lost between the cracks.  Not quite ready for prime time, no real minor league system to come up through.  Not a lot of practice time once the season kicks in.  Each team can afford to use a roster spot in this way for one maybe two players to be stashed in the G League.  It is especially hard if you are trying to contend and develop at the same time as the Celtics are.
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: PAOBoston on July 10, 2018, 08:39:02 AM
This guy is going to basically red shirt this year anf pmay in Maine.

At best, he might be a solid rotation guy imo.
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: rollie mass on July 10, 2018, 09:19:41 AM
Eddie is so full it"makings of a masterpiece" was  hyperbole but he has the 2nd highest vertical reach ever and bio mechanics that allow him to keep up with quards (P3) and two years of  SEC defensive player of year.He loves defense he gets up and down the court in transition,he closes out on perimeter with his 7-6 wingspan.
Eddie starts talking going off to war-the kid left his wallet at home misses a return flight, tries to squeeze a quick trip home because he was tired/stressed after being prodded and paraded to the press.It was just practice
The Celtics reacted after the fact putting in a support network.The guy was late for practice-so what.The coaching staff has nothing but glowing comments on his behavior and ability to learn.
With a personal trainer and a housemate problem solved .Even a chauffeur to Maine.
I saw enough in 6 minutes .
I wouldn't bet against this kid barring injury.
You must have a bad equation everything you run through it come out negative.
His teammate from his college team also at summer league said nothing but how good a person he is.
Businesmen have secretaries,,aides,personal assistants,gardeners chauffeurs,accountants,financial planners,shopping assistants,party planners,trainers,personal chefs,Drs, and lawyers and agents.This is a 20yr old boy from a one stoplight town
So he needed somebody he could trust and somebody to help plan and guide him around till
his teammates and support takes hold.
It started with a missed practice but his agent and the Celtics moved very quickly AFTER that.
So maybe the missed practice and support have headed off a more serious problem.

Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: rollie mass on July 10, 2018, 09:28:42 AM
He was vulnerable on arrival that was when he needed support ,

Oh, come on, the guy is getting paid millions to play basketball, he's not going through a terminal illness or getting sent to war. Stop making excuses for him. Do you believe in accountability?

This happens every year as we get new rookies.  People either deify them or crap all over them.

Moderation of thought is not really part of society these days, in most any arena.

I do think Williams has a lot of talent, but there have been countless players that have had more physical gifts and have flamed out. There are major issues with this guy from the neck up, so the thread title and the excuses people make for his behavior is pretty comical. At this point, Williams could murder someone and some will probably just blame it on the C's.
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Eddie is so full it"makings of a masterpiece" was  hyperbole but he has the 2nd highest vertical reach ever and bio mechanics that allow him to keep up with quards (P3) and two years of  SEC defensive player of year.He loves defense he gets up and down the court in transition,he closes out on perimeter with his 7-6 wingspan.
Eddie starts talking going off to war-the kid left his wallet at home misses a return flight, tries to squeeze a quick trip home because he was tired/stressed after being prodded and paraded to the press.It was just practice
The Celtics reacted after the fact putting in a support network.The guy was late for practice-so what.The coaching staff has nothing but glowing comments on his behavior and ability to learn.
With a personal trainer and a housemate problem solved .Even a chauffeur to Maine.
I saw enough in 6 minutes .
I wouldn't bet against this kid barring injury.
You must have a bad equation everything you run through it come out negative.
His teammate from his college team also at summer league said nothing but how good a person he is.
Businesmen have secretaries,,aides,personal assistants,gardeners chauffeurs,accountants,financial planners,shopping assistants,party planners,trainers,personal chefs,Drs, and lawyers and agents.This is a 20yr old boy from a one stoplight town
So he needed somebody he could trust and somebody to help plan and guide him around till
his teammates and support takes hold.
It started with a missed practice but his agent and the Celtics moved very quickly AFTER that.
So maybe the missed practice and support have headed off a more serious problem.


Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: rollie mass on July 10, 2018, 10:17:16 AM
Look in the mirror at your own accountability-you entered my message board telling me how i should post  and how you and several people felt that way.You continued a 2nd time  as your intimidation didn't succeed.
You have stalked me ever since baiting -
Title: Re: Robert Williams officially signed
Post by: footey on July 10, 2018, 10:18:52 AM
FWIW, one of his A&M teammates said that RW was never late for practice, and that he missed his flight to team's first practice because he forgot his wallet on the way to the airport.

Been there, done that.
Title: Williams' knee issues revealed
Post by: Eddie20 on July 10, 2018, 10:25:56 AM
https://articles.masslive.com/celtics/index.ssf/2018/07/sources_boston_celtics_rookie.amp?__twitter_impression=true

LAS VEGAS -- Boston Celtics rookie Robert Williams has an artery condition in both of his legs, multiple sources tell MassLive.

A source described the condition as, "not too serious." It could, however, require a procedure if it were to degenerate down the line.

Popliteal artery entrapment syndrome (PAES), the vascular disease Williams has been dealing with, is found most often in athletes. Because of where the muscles and tendons around Williams' knee are positioned, they end up compressing the "popliteal artery," the main one behind the knee, restricting blood flow to the lower leg. It can lead to cramping and calf pain during exercise, per Johns Hopkins Medicine .

NBA teams, including the Celtics, were aware of Williams' condition at the time of the draft -- as was Texas A&M, where Williams went to college. The rookie has been playing with the condition for years, sources told MassLive. The L.A. Clippers' doctors performed his predraft physical and disseminated results to other organizations upon request, standard procedure for a prospect. The Celtics have also done their own physicals on Williams.
Title: Re: Robert Williams' Knee / Artery Condition In Both Legs
Post by: KGBirdBias on July 10, 2018, 10:29:42 AM
Might as well go ahead and shut him down, have the surgery and shelf him possibly for the year.

We do get Theis back and we may be able to sign a cheap big man to backup Baynes in a crunch.

Title: Re: Robert Williams' Knee / Artery Condition In Both Legs
Post by: JHTruth on July 10, 2018, 11:07:37 AM
Might as well go ahead and shut him down, have the surgery and shelf him possibly for the year.

We do get Theis back and we may be able to sign a cheap big man to backup Baynes in a crunch.

There's no need for surgery at this time. Relax..
Title: Re: Robert Williams officially signed
Post by: JHTruth on July 10, 2018, 11:08:59 AM
FWIW, one of his A&M teammates said that RW was never late for practice, and that he missed his flight to team's first practice because he forgot his wallet on the way to the airport.

Been there, done that.

I just can't wait until the offseason is over so we can forget all about this ridiculous nonsense and RW3 is our C of the future.

He has nothing but glowing reviews from his former coaches and teammates
Title: Re: Robert Williams officially signed
Post by: Fafnir on July 10, 2018, 11:24:57 AM
FWIW, one of his A&M teammates said that RW was never late for practice, and that he missed his flight to team's first practice because he forgot his wallet on the way to the airport.

Been there, done that.

I just can't wait until the offseason is over so we can forget all about this ridiculous nonsense and RW3 is our C of the future.
Agreed.

He'll join the hallowed ranks of The Original Triple J, Better than Carmelo "Melo", Sully, Mickey and Ante.

All Celtics Centers of the FUTURE!!  ;)
Title: Re: Robert Williams' Knee / Artery Condition In Both Legs
Post by: Fafnir on July 10, 2018, 11:27:53 AM
Surgical intervention is the last resort, not the first solution. Especially if its something that he's successfully managed it for much of his life.
Title: Re: Robert Williams' Knee / Artery Condition In Both Legs
Post by: KGBirdBias on July 10, 2018, 11:31:31 AM
Might as well go ahead and shut him down, have the surgery and shelf him possibly for the year.

We do get Theis back and we may be able to sign a cheap big man to backup Baynes in a crunch.

There's no need for surgery at this time. Relax..

Um, he can't even play in summer league games. Why not get it done if they've diagnosed it?
Title: Re: Robert Williams' Knee / Artery Condition In Both Legs
Post by: KGBirdBias on July 10, 2018, 11:35:32 AM
Surgical intervention is the last resort, not the first solution. Especially if its something that he's successfully managed it for much of his life.

We don't know if he's managed it for his life. We often see many colleges not do thorough exams and then get to the pros and find issues that were never diagnosed properly. It sounds like they're just finding out about the extent of it because just a few days ago reports are no one knew what the real issue was. It doesn't sound like something that will just go away.

You don't want a young 1st round pick having something linger like this throughout his career. He should elect to have it done if the Celtics don't want too.
Title: Re: Robert Williams' Knee / Artery Condition In Both Legs
Post by: Surferdad on July 10, 2018, 11:40:10 AM
Might as well go ahead and shut him down, have the surgery and shelf him possibly for the year.

We do get Theis back and we may be able to sign a cheap big man to backup Baynes in a crunch.

There's no need for surgery at this time. Relax..

Um, he can't even play in summer league games. Why not get it done if they've diagnosed it?
Any orthopedic doctors or surgeons here?  If not, then I am puzzled as to why anybody thinks they can recommend surgery now.  He may never need surgery and still have a long career.
Title: Re: Robert Williams' Knee / Artery Condition In Both Legs
Post by: Fafnir on July 10, 2018, 11:41:46 AM
Surgical intervention is the last resort, not the first solution. Especially if its something that he's successfully managed it for much of his life.

We don't know if he's managed it for his life. We often see many colleges not do thorough exams and then get to the pros and find issues that were never diagnosed properly. It sounds like they're just finding out about the extent of it because just a few days ago reports are no one knew what the real issue was. It doesn't sound like something that will just go away.

You don't want a young 1st round pick having something linger like this throughout his career. He should elect to have it done if the Celtics don't want too.
The linked and quoted article said that Texas A&M was aware of the condition. Also surgery isn't like going to the dealership to get your car fixed.
Title: Re: Robert Williams' Knee / Artery Condition In Both Legs
Post by: Fafnir on July 10, 2018, 11:44:11 AM
Any orthopedic doctors or surgeons here?  If not, then I am puzzled as to why anybody thinks they can recommend surgery now.  He may never need surgery and still have a long career.
Not only that surgery may not "fix" the issue, I googled it for and the cleveland's clinic brief description of the surgery. It talks of creating a bypass if the artery is completely blocked, but that doesn't mean such a bypass "fixes" the numbness etc. Just that its sometimes necessary.

Also ALL surgery even "minor" surgery has a ton of risks to it, not to mention a rehab time....

I'm now reminded that some posters were mad that Bradley didn't have shoulder surgery on both his shoulders at the same time....... ::)
Title: Re: Robert Williams' Knee / Artery Condition In Both Legs
Post by: KGBirdBias on July 10, 2018, 11:50:55 AM
I'm not a Dr. but what I'm saying is he needs to do his due dilligence and not listen to Celtics fans who selfishly want him on the floor. If surgery is something that will cure it, get it done. If he will always have to manage the problem and surgery will not cure it, then the Celtics have to take all that into consideration with his playing time.

This franchise just went through the IT situation and 3 injuries during the year. It should be his decision because it's his risk.
Title: Re: Robert Williams' Knee / Artery Condition In Both Legs
Post by: celticinorlando on July 10, 2018, 11:51:41 AM
I am going to go ahead and just write this kid off now. He looks like a total injury bust.
Title: Re: Robert Williams' Knee / Artery Condition In Both Legs
Post by: JHTruth on July 10, 2018, 12:03:57 PM
Might as well go ahead and shut him down, have the surgery and shelf him possibly for the year.

We do get Theis back and we may be able to sign a cheap big man to backup Baynes in a crunch.

There's no need for surgery at this time. Relax..

Um, he can't even play in summer league games. Why not get it done if they've diagnosed it?

He has tendinitis bro. You peeps are looney sometimes..
Title: Re: Robert Williams' Knee / Artery Condition In Both Legs
Post by: JHTruth on July 10, 2018, 12:04:21 PM
I am going to go ahead and just write this kid off now. He looks like a total injury bust.

LOL because of tendinitis. You know half the league has that right?
Title: Re: Robert Williams' Knee / Artery Condition In Both Legs
Post by: KGBirdBias on July 10, 2018, 12:06:59 PM
How some people want to debate whether or not a young 20 yr old 6-10 jumping jack may not have his wheels right to start his career and not seriously think about having surgery is unbelievable. His legs are his money.
Title: Re: Robert Williams' Knee / Artery Condition In Both Legs
Post by: smokeablount on July 10, 2018, 12:07:11 PM
I am going to go ahead and just write this kid off now. He looks like a total injury bust.

So you writing off Kyrie and Hayward too?
Title: Re: Robert Williams' Knee / Artery Condition In Both Legs
Post by: Fafnir on July 10, 2018, 12:08:12 PM
I am not a doctor butttttt is always a heck of a take.
Title: Re: Robert Williams' Knee / Artery Condition In Both Legs
Post by: JHTruth on July 10, 2018, 12:09:40 PM
How some people want to debate whether or not a young 20 yr old 6-10 jumping jack may not have his wheels right to start his career and not seriously think about having surgery is unbelievable. His legs are his money.

Why don't you let the people who know what they're talking about make those determinations there Doc?
Title: Re: Robert Williams' Knee / Artery Condition In Both Legs
Post by: Fafnir on July 10, 2018, 12:09:42 PM
I am going to go ahead and just write this kid off now. He looks like a total injury bust.

So you writing off Kyrie and Hayward too?
celticinorlando will always be pessimistic and looking for his tail as it comes off often. Just who he is.
Title: Re: Robert Williams' Knee / Artery Condition In Both Legs
Post by: celticinorlando on July 10, 2018, 12:19:45 PM
I am going to go ahead and just write this kid off now. He looks like a total injury bust.

So you writing off Kyrie and Hayward too?
celticinorlando will always be pessimistic and looking for his tail as it comes off often. Just who he is.

Just on Tuesdays and Thursdays.

And anything that deals with artery issues seems like a bigger deal to me than just soreness or stiffness
Title: Re: Robert Williams' Knee / Artery Condition In Both Legs
Post by: JHTruth on July 10, 2018, 12:20:04 PM
I am going to go ahead and just write this kid off now. He looks like a total injury bust.

So you writing off Kyrie and Hayward too?
celticinorlando will always be pessimistic and looking for his tail as it comes off often. Just who he is.

Probably a huge Daniel Theis fan too.. ::)
Title: Re: Robert Williams' Knee / Artery Condition In Both Legs
Post by: celticinorlando on July 10, 2018, 12:22:14 PM
I am going to go ahead and just write this kid off now. He looks like a total injury bust.

So you writing off Kyrie and Hayward too?
celticinorlando will always be pessimistic and looking for his tail as it comes off often. Just who he is.

Probably a huge Daniel Theis fan too.. ::)

Those guys are a little different...artery issues behind the knees seem a wee bit more serious
Title: Re: Robert Williams' Knee / Artery Condition In Both Legs
Post by: JHTruth on July 10, 2018, 12:24:07 PM
I am going to go ahead and just write this kid off now. He looks like a total injury bust.

So you writing off Kyrie and Hayward too?
celticinorlando will always be pessimistic and looking for his tail as it comes off often. Just who he is.

Probably a huge Daniel Theis fan too.. ::)

Those guys are a little different...artery issues behind the knees seem a wee bit more serious

Than a torn meniscus?

Theis JUST got back to jogging. On Twitter looked like he was going half speed yesterday. Williams is still practicing..
Title: Re: Robert Williams' Knee / Artery Condition In Both Legs
Post by: celticinorlando on July 10, 2018, 12:27:15 PM
I am going to go ahead and just write this kid off now. He looks like a total injury bust.

So you writing off Kyrie and Hayward too?
celticinorlando will always be pessimistic and looking for his tail as it comes off often. Just who he is.

Probably a huge Daniel Theis fan too.. ::)

Those guys are a little different...artery issues behind the knees seem a wee bit more serious

Than a torn meniscus?

Theis JUST got back to jogging. On Twitter looked like he was going half speed yesterday. Williams is still practicing..

Don't think they are even close to Williams being able to play. If this does not improve there would likely be some sort of surgery to correct. As someone posted earlier that doesn't sound so easy.

I hope the guy proves me wrong. I hope he has a great career and impacts the Celtics this season..just so far not such a good start to things
Title: Re: Robert Williams' Knee / Artery Condition In Both Legs
Post by: JHTruth on July 10, 2018, 12:32:31 PM
I am going to go ahead and just write this kid off now. He looks like a total injury bust.

So you writing off Kyrie and Hayward too?
celticinorlando will always be pessimistic and looking for his tail as it comes off often. Just who he is.

Probably a huge Daniel Theis fan too.. ::)

Those guys are a little different...artery issues behind the knees seem a wee bit more serious

Than a torn meniscus?

Theis JUST got back to jogging. On Twitter looked like he was going half speed yesterday. Williams is still practicing..

Don't think they are even close to Williams being able to play. If this does not improve there would likely be some sort of surgery to correct. As someone posted earlier that doesn't sound so easy.

I hope the guy proves me wrong. I hope he has a great career and impacts the Celtics this season..just so far not such a good start to things

The artery thing is not what they're keeping him out for. Stevens gets an update every day and makes the decision to play him based on tendinitis. Since it's SL they are extra cautious but were this the regular season he would probably be playing..

Don't get me wrong I love Theis and am excited about having him back but he's far from a sure thing to come back 100% this year..
Title: Re: Robert Williams' Knee / Artery Condition In Both Legs
Post by: Surferdad on July 10, 2018, 12:56:50 PM
How some people want to debate whether or not a young 20 yr old 6-10 jumping jack may not have his wheels right to start his career and not seriously think about having surgery is unbelievable. His legs are his money.
AGAIN, there's no evidence we fans have access to that says surgery is the right thing to do.
Title: Re: Robert Williams' Knee / Artery Condition In Both Legs
Post by: Billz401 on July 10, 2018, 01:01:36 PM
I am going to go ahead and just write this kid off now. He looks like a total injury bust.

So you writing off Kyrie and Hayward too?
celticinorlando will always be pessimistic and looking for his tail as it comes off often. Just who he is.

Probably a huge Daniel Theis fan too.. ::)

Those guys are a little different...artery issues behind the knees seem a wee bit more serious

Than a torn meniscus?

Theis JUST got back to jogging. On Twitter looked like he was going half speed yesterday. Williams is still practicing..

Don't think they are even close to Williams being able to play. If this does not improve there would likely be some sort of surgery to correct. As someone posted earlier that doesn't sound so easy.

I hope the guy proves me wrong. I hope he has a great career and impacts the Celtics this season..just so far not such a good start to things

The artery thing is not what they're keeping him out for. Stevens gets an update every day and makes the decision to play him based on tendinitis. Since it's SL they are extra cautious but were this the regular season he would probably be playing..

Don't get me wrong I love Theis and am excited about having him back but he's far from a sure thing to come back 100% this year..
This. He originally banged knees and had some tendonitis so they have held him out of the past 2 games. There has been no reports that they've kept him out due to the artery thing..
Title: Re: Robert Williams' Knee / Artery Condition In Both Legs
Post by: footey on July 10, 2018, 01:12:32 PM
Once Williams cleared to go, hoping soon, can see him taking Theis’ minutes if Theis rehab spills into season. They’re similar players in skill set and body type. Theis more experienced, better shooter, RW more athletic. I could see RW jump ahead of Yabu for minutes as back up big in any event.
Title: Re: Robert Williams' Knee / Artery Condition In Both Legs
Post by: KGBirdBias on July 10, 2018, 01:17:27 PM
How some people want to debate whether or not a young 20 yr old 6-10 jumping jack may not have his wheels right to start his career and not seriously think about having surgery is unbelievable. His legs are his money.

Why don't you let the people who know what they're talking about make those determinations there Doc?

Of course they will but I'm giving my opinion. It sounds like a serious problem because the last time I checked your legs are crucial to being a basketball player.  ::)
Title: Re: Robert Williams' Knee / Artery Condition In Both Legs
Post by: Bobshot on July 10, 2018, 10:05:59 PM
The story I read is this is not an uncommon condition for players. The Celtics don't seem concerned.
 
I suspect the story has a hype factor attached to it, as Williams seems to have made himself a media target.
Title: Re: Robert Williams' Knee / Artery Condition In Both Legs
Post by: ThaPreacher on July 10, 2018, 10:34:48 PM
Might as well go ahead and shut him down, have the surgery and shelf him possibly for the year.

We do get Theis back and we may be able to sign a cheap big man to backup Baynes in a crunch.

There's no need for surgery at this time. Relax..

Um, he can't even play in summer league games. Why not get it done if they've diagnosed it?

He has tendinitis bro. You peeps are looney sometimes..

LOL TP!  Ainge said recently that "he played with tendinitis his whole career"!
Most young athletes have never worked on strength conditioning-beginning with progressions from body weight work-to whole strength training. Tendonitis can be treated with both stretching and leg strengthening.  The Artery condition is an obstacle that contributes to the tendonitis.  Don't forget to breathe Celtic fans! Take a deep breath!
Title: Re: Robert Williams' Knee / Artery Condition In Both Legs
Post by: Beat LA on July 10, 2018, 11:50:12 PM
Maybe the title of this thread should be changed to "What (Now) About Bob?", lol ;) ::) ;D.
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: Beat LA on July 10, 2018, 11:51:37 PM
"One stoplight town" crew checking in ::) ;D.
Title: Re: Robert Williams' Knee / Artery Condition In Both Legs
Post by: erisred on July 11, 2018, 01:50:18 AM
I found this blog (https://joyrunnerblog.wordpress.com/) by a female runner who was diagnosed with PAES and had the surgery done on both legs. The scars do look nasty and because one of her legs was completely blocked and she had to have muscle removed and an artery bypass done, she's probably never going to get back to where she was.

I'm not a doctor, and I don't play one on forums, but as a layman looking in from the outside it is worrying.
Title: Re: Robert Williams' Knee / Artery Condition In Both Legs
Post by: JHTruth on July 11, 2018, 01:50:26 AM
The story I read is this is not an uncommon condition for players. The Celtics don't seem concerned.
 
I suspect the story has a hype factor attached to it, as Williams seems to have made himself a media target.

It's just off season clickbait. He hasn't any problems with the artery thing since mid-last year..
Title: Re: Robert Williams' Knee / Artery Condition In Both Legs
Post by: JHTruth on July 11, 2018, 01:51:48 AM
Once Williams cleared to go, hoping soon, can see him taking Theis’ minutes if Theis rehab spills into season. They’re similar players in skill set and body type. Theis more experienced, better shooter, RW more athletic. I could see RW jump ahead of Yabu for minutes as back up big in any event.

Theis is actually not that great of a shooter. RW3 should be competing for those minutes this season
Title: Re: Robert Williams' Knee / Artery Condition In Both Legs
Post by: BitterJim on July 11, 2018, 07:17:30 AM
Once Williams cleared to go, hoping soon, can see him taking Theis’ minutes if Theis rehab spills into season. They’re similar players in skill set and body type. Theis more experienced, better shooter, RW more athletic. I could see RW jump ahead of Yabu for minutes as back up big in any event.

Theis is actually not that great of a shooter. RW3 should be competing for those minutes this season

He didn't say Theis was great, just that he was better than Williams (which is an understatement). That has a lot to do with Williams being absolutely horrible
Title: Re: Robert Williams' Knee / Artery Condition In Both Legs
Post by: gouki88 on July 11, 2018, 07:20:58 AM
Once Williams cleared to go, hoping soon, can see him taking Theis’ minutes if Theis rehab spills into season. They’re similar players in skill set and body type. Theis more experienced, better shooter, RW more athletic. I could see RW jump ahead of Yabu for minutes as back up big in any event.

Theis is actually not that great of a shooter. RW3 should be competing for those minutes this season

He didn't say Theis was great, just that he was better than Williams (which is an understatement). That has a lot to do with Williams being absolutely horrible
Plus, in the 20 games prior to getting injured, Theis was shooting right about 40% from deep. He was definitely improving as he got more confident
Title: Re: Robert Williams' Knee / Artery Condition In Both Legs
Post by: SHAQATTACK on July 11, 2018, 07:50:07 AM
Billys Knee
Title: Re: Robert Williams' Knee / Artery Condition In Both Legs
Post by: Roy H. on July 11, 2018, 08:13:41 AM
A passing thought I had: tendinitis causes pain, and the artery issue causes cramping and pain, among other issues. Could the “lack of motor” and conditioning issues be a simple case of pain management? And with better treatment, could Williams’ “motor” improve?

It seems obvious, but it’s easier to play hard all the time if you’re not constantly playing through pain.
Title: Re: Robert Williams' Knee / Artery Condition In Both Legs
Post by: footey on July 11, 2018, 08:40:20 AM
A passing thought I had: tendinitis causes pain, and the artery issue causes cramping and pain, among other issues. Could the “lack of motor” and conditioning issues be a simple case of pain management? And with better treatment, could Williams’ “motor” improve?

It seems obvious, but it’s easier to play hard all the time if you’re not constantly playing through pain.
Yeah, I had same thought. Very possible.

If he has experienced this problem through college, can only imagine the pain management challenges in an NBA schedule. Let’s hope that team trainers and doctors devise a regimen that solves or at least minimizes pain issues.
Title: Re: Robert Williams and the makings of a masterpiece
Post by: rollie mass on July 11, 2018, 10:37:11 AM
I remember jaylen opening his car door and finding the car packed with popcorn-now that was immature
Rosier punking Ainge recently on Tv was immature.
Marcus bashing a mirror
rondo bashing a wall
Sully bashing his girlfriend There have been several instances of missed practices by players.
So Robert missed a practice and collided knees aggravating mild tendonitis.
His teammate from college said he never missed a practice and was a good guy.
The artery issue may explain his sometimes hot and cold motor as he played through the problem.
The praise of his coaches since plane miss has not registered with those that want him to be a bust or written off.
The kid is twenty,Matter of fact, i think too harsh a public judgement is immature.
To draft a player with known immaturity issues at 20, so it is not surprising when they happen so early into the process.Now with,a personal coach who played for Brad and was assistant coach of Red Claws ,a brand new state of art practice facility with trainers and physios while being surrounded by hard working young players and interesting mix of vets.That's called structure.
Working on shooting technique,foul shots and ball handling while watching game from bench is a valuable use of down time.
Las Vegas is valuable as he bonds with teammates and just get familar with the circus of being a pro.
Title: Re: Robert Williams officially signed
Post by: footey on July 11, 2018, 10:59:24 AM
Austin Ainge yesterday on how the Celtics plan to use Williams:

“The biggest advantage is he fell to where we were,” Ainge said. “Experience always helps. Experience and age is always a benefit. We’re going to put him in a little bit different situation than he had at (Texas) A&M. Through no fault of the coaches, they just had great bigs and lots of bigs. We’re going to play him almost exclusively at the 5 and we think he’s going to take advantage of it. We think he’s going to be able to show more in the NBA game than he was able to in college. It’s going to take some time and some work.”
Title: Re: Robert Williams' Knee / Artery Condition In Both Legs
Post by: playdream on July 11, 2018, 11:08:57 AM
His leg situation can(and should) be treated well by Chinese medicine and acupuncture, surgery at this point is too risky.

Hope they find him a good doctor
Title: Re: Robert Williams' Knee / Artery Condition In Both Legs
Post by: KG Living Legend on July 11, 2018, 11:50:55 AM
Once Williams cleared to go, hoping soon, can see him taking Theis’ minutes if Theis rehab spills into season. They’re similar players in skill set and body type. Theis more experienced, better shooter, RW more athletic. I could see RW jump ahead of Yabu for minutes as back up big in any event.

Theis is actually not that great of a shooter. RW3 should be competing for those minutes this season

He didn't say Theis was great, just that he was better than Williams (which is an understatement). That has a lot to do with Williams being absolutely horrible




 Geesh. Bitter Jim. Bitter much? Bobby is the Goat.
Title: Re: Robert Williams' Knee / Artery Condition In Both Legs
Post by: footey on July 11, 2018, 05:22:45 PM
Listening to his interview this morning, he’s still experiencing pain. My guess is he won’t play tomorrow. Probably done for the summer league. Better to get him ready for preseason. Hope I’m wrong but being real here.
Title: Re: Robert Williams' Knee / Artery Condition In Both Legs
Post by: IDreamCeltics on July 11, 2018, 05:39:28 PM
Is his whole contract guaranteed?
Title: Re: Robert Williams' Knee / Artery Condition In Both Legs
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on July 11, 2018, 05:44:27 PM
Get well soon, Bob. 
Title: Re: Robert Williams officially signed
Post by: Birdman on July 12, 2018, 08:56:38 AM
Dude lost his wallet twice last week lol..miss 2 flights. He not very responsable..better get his head out of his behind or he wont last long in this league
Title: Re: Robert Williams officially signed
Post by: loco_91 on July 12, 2018, 11:14:52 AM
Dude lost his wallet twice last week lol..miss 2 flights. He not very responsable..better get his head out of his behind or he wont last long in this league

It sounds like he has a learning disability. I'm the same way - lose things, miss dates, forget to set alarms. It doesn't mean you're an idiot, or that you have a bad attitude. I have overcome these problems by developing habits + systems to keep track of things, and I'm sure Robert can do the same.
Title: relocated wallet not even lost
Post by: rollie mass on July 12, 2018, 03:09:32 PM
I can't' believe all the press and name calling over a misplaced wallet-
I can't count the number of gloves,umbrellas,scarves(cashmere),sunglasses(Ray Ban) i have had to relocate.Including Dunhill lighters left on a restaurant tables.
My father used to say" movement is not necessarily progress" Flying and hotels are magnets for leaving something behind from half finished novels,wallets,tickets, luggage even passports that have been left at home..Family travel is a nightmare of misplaced mismanaged travel arrangements and hire cars.
My father used to say check ,double check and re check and" Murphys Law" he called Murphy an optimist.
 Most men have wives that organize and pack ,secretaries at work and associates.

Being 20 is simply fraught with peril.
Title: Re: relocated wallet not even lost
Post by: nickagneta on July 12, 2018, 03:17:00 PM
I can't' believe all the press and name calling over a misplaced wallet-
I can't count the number of gloves,umbrellas,scarves(cashmere),sunglasses(Ray Ban) i have had to relocate.Including Dunhill lighters left on a restaurant tables.
My father used to say" movement is not necessarily progress" Flying and hotels are magnets for leaving something behind from half finished novels,wallets,tickets, luggage even passports that have been left at home..Family travel is a nightmare of misplaced mismanaged travel arrangements and hire cars.
My father used to say check ,double check and re check and" Murphys Law" he called Murphy an optimist.
Most men have wives that organize and pack ,secretaries at work and associates.
Maybe decades ago but not anymore. Time to step into the 2010's rollie 😉😁
Title: Re: relocated wallet not even lost
Post by: celticsclay on July 12, 2018, 03:41:20 PM
who lost their wallet?
Title: Re: relocated wallet not even lost
Post by: nickagneta on July 12, 2018, 03:48:05 PM
who lost their wallet?
Williams...twice.
Title: Re: relocated wallet not even lost
Post by: gift on July 12, 2018, 04:13:51 PM
who lost their wallet?
Williams...twice.

He's got a lot more money in that wallet now. Hopefully he'll keep closer tabs on it.
Title: Re: relocated wallet not even lost
Post by: celticsclay on July 12, 2018, 04:17:03 PM
I actually lost my wallet last week. Fell out of my pocket sitting down at a train. First time I had lost it in at least ten years. It was a major pain.
Title: Re: relocated wallet not even lost
Post by: cons on July 12, 2018, 04:19:46 PM
i left my wallet in el segundo

once a long time ago :)
Title: Re: relocated wallet not even lost
Post by: coffee425 on July 12, 2018, 04:21:22 PM
Isnt this the excuse to tell children they're not allowed to carry money?
"You'll just lose your wallet/purse!"

Or am i the only one with parents who didn't trust me....
Title: Re: relocated wallet not even lost
Post by: liam on July 12, 2018, 04:25:23 PM
Isnt this the excuse to tell children they're not allowed to carry money?
"You'll just lose your wallet/purse!"

Or am i the only one with parents who didn't trust me....

I carry my wallet and cash separately like my father taught me. To avoid pickpockets. I've been looking out for pickpockets my whole life. Are there still such a thing?
Title: Re: relocated wallet not even lost
Post by: nickagneta on July 12, 2018, 04:26:11 PM
In 35 years of having a wallet I lost it once, sitting down on a street curb at Disney. Luckily a nice Disney employee found it and brought it to lost and found. All the money, traveker's checks and credit cards were still there.

Can't imagine losing it twice in less than a month.

Title: Re: relocated wallet not even lost
Post by: mef730 on July 12, 2018, 04:52:28 PM
Isnt this the excuse to tell children they're not allowed to carry money?
"You'll just lose your wallet/purse!"

Or am i the only one with parents who didn't trust me....

I don’t think ANYONE carries money anymore. Can’t remeber the last time my kids saw me pay cash for something. Heaven forbid they ever get asked what a typewriter is.

Mike
Title: Re: relocated wallet not even lost
Post by: nickagneta on July 12, 2018, 05:01:18 PM
Isnt this the excuse to tell children they're not allowed to carry money?
"You'll just lose your wallet/purse!"

Or am i the only one with parents who didn't trust me....

I don’t think ANYONE carries money anymore. Can’t remeber the last time my kids saw me pay cash for something. Heaven forbid they ever get asked what a typewriter is.

Mike
Typewriter? What is that?

Mike, I can't help but wonder if I put a circular dial phone in the house on the hard line if my kids would be able to figure out how to use it. Heck, I wonder if they would know anyone's telephone number by heart to be able to dial anyone.
Title: Re: relocated wallet not even lost
Post by: celticsclay on July 12, 2018, 05:31:36 PM
In 35 years of having a wallet I lost it once, sitting down on a street curb at Disney. Luckily a nice Disney employee found it and brought it to lost and found. All the money, traveker's checks and credit cards were still there.

Can't imagine losing it twice in less than a month.

This is what happened with me essentially. I was sitting down in shorts on the train and scrambled to get off at my stop and didn't notice it had fallen out of my pocket. Unfortunately never was found.
Title: Re: relocated wallet not even lost
Post by: bdm860 on July 12, 2018, 05:43:55 PM
The more I hear about Robert Williams, the more I think he's the same type of person as my wife.

I made this post talking about her time management skills (http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=97091.msg2537831#msg2537831), and now this?  My wife loses her wallet/keys at least twice a month.  Definitely had to call the credit card company a few times to cancel her cards.

But she's a high character workaholic who has successfully risen the ranks at work!
Title: Re: relocated wallet not even lost
Post by: Eddie20 on July 12, 2018, 05:56:52 PM
Can't imagine losing it twice in less than a month.

How about twice in two days?

Quote
Robert Williams missed his first Celtics practice after losing his wallet twice in 2 days
The first-round pick’s Boston tenure is basically a ‘Mr. Bean’ episode so far.

https://www.sbnation.com/2018/7/12/17566024/robert-williams-missed-first-celtics-practice-lost-his-wallet


It's not his fault, though. I blame it on the Celtics and his town only having 1 streetlight.
Title: Re: relocated wallet not even lost
Post by: BringToughnessBack on July 12, 2018, 06:24:49 PM
As long as he doesnt forget the score at the end of the game or get lost driving to the basket, I could care less what he loses. Is this really news worthy?

It is about as newsworthy of the dirt dug up on supreme court nominee—how dare he ring up credit card bills and then pay them—-the nerve of him!

Such exciting times to read news articles!
Title: Re: relocated wallet not even lost
Post by: SHAQATTACK on July 12, 2018, 06:27:13 PM
i lost mine , fell out of pocket walking 1/2 mile running though rain storm to class .

Kid is just not use to so many decsions , hectic life and being on his own

he can play basketball ....that part will come fast

he needs to catch up maturity wise ,  learn responsibility,  he has been protected and babied too much

Celtics will have to raise him from about a 15 year old level
Title: Re: relocated wallet not even lost
Post by: GratefulCs on July 12, 2018, 07:21:28 PM
"MY WALLET'S GONE!!!MY WALLET'S GONE!!!!"

-Morty Seinfeld

#thesepretzelsaremakingmethirsty

Title: Re: relocated wallet not even lost
Post by: Roy H. on July 12, 2018, 07:43:03 PM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/articles.masslive.com/celtics/index.ssf/2018/07/boston_celtics_rookie_robert_w_5.amp

So many questions.
Title: Re: relocated wallet not even lost
Post by: Neurotic Guy on July 12, 2018, 08:32:18 PM
I can't' believe all the press and name calling over a misplaced wallet-
I can't count the number of gloves,umbrellas,scarves(cashmere),sunglasses(Ray Ban) i have had to relocate.Including Dunhill lighters left on a restaurant tables.
My father used to say" movement is not necessarily progress" Flying and hotels are magnets for leaving something behind from half finished novels,wallets,tickets, luggage even passports that have been left at home..Family travel is a nightmare of misplaced mismanaged travel arrangements and hire cars.
My father used to say check ,double check and re check and" Murphys Law" he called Murphy an optimist.
Most men have wives that organize and pack ,secretaries at work and associates.
Maybe decades ago but not anymore. Time to step into the 2010's rollie 😉😁

Yeah, I think I am probably about Rollie’s age and that line left me a little baffled. Not my wife’s job to organize me.
Title: Re: relocated wallet not even lost
Post by: csfansince60s on July 12, 2018, 08:58:08 PM
Can't imagine losing it twice in less than a month.

How about twice in two days?

Quote
Robert Williams missed his first Celtics practice after losing his wallet twice in 2 days
The first-round pick’s Boston tenure is basically a ‘Mr. Bean’ episode so far.

https://www.sbnation.com/2018/7/12/17566024/robert-williams-missed-first-celtics-practice-lost-his-wallet


It's not his fault, though. I blame it on the Celtics and his town only having 1 streetlight.

C’mon, Eddie!

That’s one TRAFFIC light....I think 🤔.

But you could be right....TP anyway for the humor.

I’m rooting hard for this kid....think he COULD be something.
Title: Re: relocated wallet not even lost
Post by: Sketch5 on July 12, 2018, 09:00:41 PM
Isnt this the excuse to tell children they're not allowed to carry money?
"You'll just lose your wallet/purse!"

Or am i the only one with parents who didn't trust me....

I don’t think ANYONE carries money anymore. Can’t remeber the last time my kids saw me pay cash for something. Heaven forbid they ever get asked what a typewriter is.

Mike

I always try to have at least 20 bucks on me. Never know when an issue with the card comes up(yes I have enough money, but sometimes the bank is having an issue) or their internet is down. Good to always have a few bucks on hand just in case.
Title: Re: relocated wallet not even lost
Post by: bdm860 on July 12, 2018, 09:44:29 PM
Isnt this the excuse to tell children they're not allowed to carry money?
"You'll just lose your wallet/purse!"

Or am i the only one with parents who didn't trust me....

I don’t think ANYONE carries money anymore. Can’t remeber the last time my kids saw me pay cash for something. Heaven forbid they ever get asked what a typewriter is.

Mike

I always try to have at least 20 bucks on me. Never know when an issue with the card comes up(yes I have enough money, but sometimes the bank is having an issue) or their internet is down. Good to always have a few bucks on hand just in case.

I always have cash on me, usually I start out with $200.

I like to support any kid selling candy, girl scout cookies, or whatever fundraiser they're doing.

A lot of barbers/hair salons are cash only, especially if they're not part of a chain.

And if you ever hit up a smaller convenient store or hole-in-the-wall restaurant, those often have minimum purchase limits (like $5 or $10) for credit card use, and I just want a soda or slice of pizza.  Then there's street/food vendors (even if you don't live in a big city, you may occasionally end up in one).

And of course cash gifts.

So I start with $200, and it eventually gets whittled down somewhere under $40 (mostly because the wife often treats me as her personal ATM, and she needs it to get her hair done).  Sometimes it takes a month, sometimes it takes 6 months.  But to me, carrying cash is just part of being prepared.  I don't know when I'm going to need it, but when I do, I don't want to have to go out of my way looking for an ATM.


Title: Re: relocated wallet not even lost
Post by: Eja117 on July 12, 2018, 11:10:04 PM
I think since I was 12 I lost my wallet once.....and found it. Because I'm not a total moron like Bobby.

This guy has set the record for least good first month as a rookie. Right? Is there a worse one so far?
Title: Re: relocated wallet not even lost
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on July 12, 2018, 11:19:02 PM
Classic Bob.

I have a feeling he's never on schedule, but always on time.  (Figuratively)
Title: Re: relocated wallet not even lost
Post by: IndyCelt on July 12, 2018, 11:23:49 PM
I can't even imagine not having some cash as BDM said, I run  an antique business and cant believe people that don't have 20 bucks on them as I dont take CC and small town  . I use CC at big stores but even if mom and pop have it, for a $5 slice of pizza and drink it costs them to use it. 

A lot better him losing his wallet than having legal problems or other maturity issues that can be solved a lot easier . Don't they make some kind of remote sensor or something?
Title: Re: relocated wallet not even lost
Post by: JSD on July 13, 2018, 12:19:46 AM
Isnt this the excuse to tell children they're not allowed to carry money?
"You'll just lose your wallet/purse!"

Or am i the only one with parents who didn't trust me....

I don’t think ANYONE carries money anymore. Can’t remeber the last time my kids saw me pay cash for something. Heaven forbid they ever get asked what a typewriter is.

Mike

I always try to have at least 20 bucks on me. Never know when an issue with the card comes up(yes I have enough money, but sometimes the bank is having an issue) or their internet is down. Good to always have a few bucks on hand just in case.

I always have cash on me, usually I start out with $200.

I like to support any kid selling candy, girl scout cookies, or whatever fundraiser they're doing.

A lot of barbers/hair salons are cash only, especially if they're not part of a chain.

And if you ever hit up a smaller convenient store or hole-in-the-wall restaurant, those often have minimum purchase limits (like $5 or $10) for credit card use, and I just want a soda or slice of pizza.  Then there's street/food vendors (even if you don't live in a big city, you may occasionally end up in one).

And of course cash gifts.

So I start with $200, and it eventually gets whittled down somewhere under $40 (mostly because the wife often treats me as her personal ATM, and she needs it to get her hair done).  Sometimes it takes a month, sometimes it takes 6 months.  But to me, carrying cash is just part of being prepared.  I don't know when I'm going to need it, but when I do, I don't want to have to go out of my way looking for an ATM.


In on this #alwayscarrycashcrew
Title: Re: relocated wallet not even lost
Post by: ozgod on July 13, 2018, 12:40:26 AM
Must be a really slow NBA month if we're worrying about people's wallets  ;D
Title: Re: relocated wallet not even lost
Post by: Eja117 on July 13, 2018, 12:54:42 AM
Perhaps he has ADHD or severe concussion issues and needs medical attention. Hence Ainge was concerned that they couldn't get the med records on draft night.
Title: Re: relocated wallet not even lost
Post by: Scintan on July 13, 2018, 02:15:30 AM
Isnt this the excuse to tell children they're not allowed to carry money?
"You'll just lose your wallet/purse!"

Or am i the only one with parents who didn't trust me....

I don’t think ANYONE carries money anymore. Can’t remeber the last time my kids saw me pay cash for something. Heaven forbid they ever get asked what a typewriter is.

Mike

Unless I have no choice, or it's gas at the pump, I always deal in cash.
Title: Re: relocated wallet not even lost
Post by: rollie mass on July 13, 2018, 02:59:56 AM
Article out today with interview of his 3 year high school coach.About time someone fought back for this kid.
Seems some fans are taking pot shots at a 20 year old.

This kid organized an event for town,arranged rides and made sure teammates and friends were not late. never caused a problem-he loves basketball and his teammates loved playing with him.
It is being fueled by media and critical fans bordering on group bullying.Even the humor in mass
smacks of immaturity and lack of understanding. Humor can hurt!!!!Would you like this done to your kid.
He left his wallet in his hotel room and  was back in hours,the next non loss he gave it to his teammate to hold onto .OOPS!They both forgot.
I cringed, when in front of everybody Danny pulls a his sweatshirt sleeves  emphasizing his length-wonder how many times he go laughed at for clothes that didn't fit'
My daughter was bullied for her height 6 foot but was a model and now a dentist -that has gone down the Amazon then into Peru and Bolivia.
Trips to Cambodia,Vietnam and Laos doing some charity work at orphanages and now loves her height -the boys felt threatened and the girls envious of long legs.Once it starts it reverberates long after.
My son was bullied because he was fashion forward, even though he won the cities talent contest for dance and went onto the nationals of Britains Got Dance with his crew. He was athlete of the year at high school  and played premier league basketball for national title twice.The English are a envious bullying lot.They aim at success.
I was never bullied and defended kids who were.
So think if this was your kid,a good kid from everything i could find who is being hammered in the press for what really?
.Misplacing a wallet and missing a flight.
I loved last season as Brad called Semi elite defensively as he was lumbered with can't shoot poor motor  and a paper athlete-he shot threes at 42% after All Star break and 32% for the year.AND played an invaluable part in beating the Bucks .A rookie starting in playoffs leaving some seething because of his success.



Title: Re: relocated wallet not even lost
Post by: Celtics4ever on July 13, 2018, 06:50:01 AM
The press does not like the Celtics outside of Boston.   They have something to dig at and they will.
Title: Re: relocated wallet not even lost
Post by: trickybilly on July 13, 2018, 07:39:56 AM
Wait, so is Hogg's version of events basically insinuating that Bob lied about Hogg "having" it?

Title: Re: relocated wallet not even lost
Post by: smokeablount on July 13, 2018, 08:13:44 AM
This isn’t news. Rob should use some of his newfound salary to dig up dirt on members of the Boston media, then post their secrets on Instagram.

#sweetsweetrevenge
Title: Re: relocated wallet not even lost
Post by: RockinRyA on July 13, 2018, 10:09:42 AM
As long as he doesnt forget the score at the end of the game or get lost driving to the basket, I could care less what he loses. Is this really news worthy?

It is about as newsworthy of the dirt dug up on supreme court nominee—how dare he ring up credit card bills and then pay them—-the nerve of him!

Such exciting times to read news articles!

lol JR Smith
Title: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: footey on July 13, 2018, 10:19:42 AM
This is an interview in Boston.com with Williams' High School Coach.  Says many positive things, not just about his abilities, but about his character. 

I feel that the press is all about finding the negative. Thought this would balance things out a bit.

Let's hope he gets on the court again soon.

https://www.boston.com/sports/boston-celtics/2018/07/12/celtics-robert-williams-high-school-coach
Title: Re: Robert Williams' Knee / Artery Condition In Both Legs
Post by: Hoopvortex on July 13, 2018, 10:24:05 AM
A passing thought I had: tendinitis causes pain, and the artery issue causes cramping and pain, among other issues. Could the “lack of motor” and conditioning issues be a simple case of pain management? And with better treatment, could Williams’ “motor” improve?

It seems obvious, but it’s easier to play hard all the time if you’re not constantly playing through pain.

Yes. Good thinking.

It's been difficult to get good information about this whole thing. As near as I can make out, we're talking about three separate issues:

1) He has PAES. I have NOT heard that this played a role in him being held out of the last few games. The artery is in the back of the knee joint. He has it in both knees.

2) He has some sort of knee tendinitis. I have NOT heard which tendons are involved - athletes, especially basketball players, usually get quadriceps tendinitis (i.e., in the front of the joint). I have also not heard whether this is in one knee or both.

3) In his first game, he had a left knee contusion of some kind, but I have NOT heard what tissues are injured, or even in what part of the knee the injury is.

Bottom line: we don't know the bottom line.

Title: Re: Positive Story About Robert Williams
Post by: Hoopvortex on July 13, 2018, 10:32:57 AM
This is an interview in Boston.com with Williams' High School Coach.  Says many positive things, not just about his abilities, but about his character. 

I feel that the press is all about finding the negative. Thought this would balance things out a bit.

Let's hope he gets on the court again soon.

https://www.boston.com/sports/boston-celtics/2018/07/12/celtics-robert-williams-high-school-coach

Looks like he was an NBA scout for 24 years.  How the hell did a guy like that find his way to North Caddo, Louisiana?

Also, there's this little gem, about a community service project the team did:

“He got everybody up,” Meikle said. “We started at 8 o’ clock in the morning. … Robert made sure everybody got out of bed. He and his mom went around, and, if anybody didn’t have a ride to meet us at school, he made sure everybody got there. Some of the things that people do in high school get overlooked as they get older, but that kind of set the tone. He really has a great heart.”
Title: Re: Positive Story About Robert Williams
Post by: JHTruth on July 13, 2018, 11:16:47 AM
Thanks for posting this!

The way the kid has been covered has really made me despise the Boston sports media. Can't believe how awful they are..
Title: Re: Positive Story About Robert Williams
Post by: wiley on July 13, 2018, 11:17:55 AM
This is an interview in Boston.com with Williams' High School Coach.  Says many positive things, not just about his abilities, but about his character. 

I feel that the press is all about finding the negative. Thought this would balance things out a bit.

Let's hope he gets on the court again soon.

https://www.boston.com/sports/boston-celtics/2018/07/12/celtics-robert-williams-high-school-coach

Looks like he was an NBA scout for 24 years.  How the hell did a guy like that find his way to North Caddo, Louisiana?

Also, there's this little gem, about a community service project the team did:

“He got everybody up,” Meikle said. “We started at 8 o’ clock in the morning. … Robert made sure everybody got out of bed. He and his mom went around, and, if anybody didn’t have a ride to meet us at school, he made sure everybody got there. Some of the things that people do in high school get overlooked as they get older, but that kind of set the tone. He really has a great heart.”

I'm sorry that can't be right.  The above posts clash with what I learned on Celtics Blog.  I learned here that he is "lazy and shiftless".  So, I'm sorry, but these sweet stories are just not cutting the mustard.
Title: Re: Positive Story About Robert Williams
Post by: IDreamCeltics on July 13, 2018, 11:21:59 AM
It's nice to see somebody FINALLY come out and say some good things about this young man.  The lack of positive references has been very troubling to me considering even the biggest clowns who get drafted to the NBA typically have people coming out of the woodwork to vouch for their character and work ethic.
Title: Re: Positive Story About Robert Williams
Post by: ThaPreacher on July 13, 2018, 11:49:20 AM
This is an interview in Boston.com with Williams' High School Coach.  Says many positive things, not just about his abilities, but about his character. 

I feel that the press is all about finding the negative. Thought this would balance things out a bit.

Let's hope he gets on the court again soon.

https://www.boston.com/sports/boston-celtics/2018/07/12/celtics-robert-williams-high-school-coach

Looks like he was an NBA scout for 24 years.  How the hell did a guy like that find his way to North Caddo, Louisiana?

Also, there's this little gem, about a community service project the team did:

“He got everybody up,” Meikle said. “We started at 8 o’ clock in the morning. … Robert made sure everybody got out of bed. He and his mom went around, and, if anybody didn’t have a ride to meet us at school, he made sure everybody got there. Some of the things that people do in high school get overlooked as they get older, but that kind of set the tone. He really has a great heart.”

I'm sorry that can't be right.  The above posts clash with what I learned on Celtics Blog.  I learned here that he is "lazy and shiftless".  So, I'm sorry, but these sweet stories are just not cutting the mustard.

That's right!  Get out the pitchforks! Mary Shelley's Frankenstein does not end well!  We can't let this 19-year-old kid, get away with losing his wallet or oversleeping! 
And who cuts mustard anyway?
Title: Re: Positive Story About Robert Williams
Post by: Eddie20 on July 13, 2018, 12:00:51 PM
This is an interview in Boston.com with Williams' High School Coach.  Says many positive things, not just about his abilities, but about his character. 

I feel that the press is all about finding the negative. Thought this would balance things out a bit.

Let's hope he gets on the court again soon.

https://www.boston.com/sports/boston-celtics/2018/07/12/celtics-robert-williams-high-school-coach

Looks like he was an NBA scout for 24 years.  How the hell did a guy like that find his way to North Caddo, Louisiana?

Also, there's this little gem, about a community service project the team did:

“He got everybody up,” Meikle said. “We started at 8 o’ clock in the morning. … Robert made sure everybody got out of bed. He and his mom went around, and, if anybody didn’t have a ride to meet us at school, he made sure everybody got there. Some of the things that people do in high school get overlooked as they get older, but that kind of set the tone. He really has a great heart.”

I'm sorry that can't be right.  The above posts clash with what I learned on Celtics Blog.  I learned here that he is "lazy and shiftless".  So, I'm sorry, but these sweet stories are just not cutting the mustard.

That's right!  Get out the pitchforks! Mary Shelley's Frankenstein does not end well!  We can't let this 19-year-old kid, get away with losing his wallet or oversleeping! 
And who cuts mustard anyway?

I thought he would be 21 by the time the season starts
Title: Re: Positive Story About Robert Williams
Post by: Chris22 on July 13, 2018, 12:29:45 PM
He's from Louisiana for C's sake.

He will need some time to adjust.
Title: Re: Positive Story About Robert Williams
Post by: Hoopvortex on July 13, 2018, 12:55:13 PM
This is an interview in Boston.com with Williams' High School Coach.  Says many positive things, not just about his abilities, but about his character. 

I feel that the press is all about finding the negative. Thought this would balance things out a bit.

Let's hope he gets on the court again soon.

https://www.boston.com/sports/boston-celtics/2018/07/12/celtics-robert-williams-high-school-coach

Looks like he was an NBA scout for 24 years.  How the hell did a guy like that find his way to North Caddo, Louisiana?

Also, there's this little gem, about a community service project the team did:

“He got everybody up,” Meikle said. “We started at 8 o’ clock in the morning. … Robert made sure everybody got out of bed. He and his mom went around, and, if anybody didn’t have a ride to meet us at school, he made sure everybody got there. Some of the things that people do in high school get overlooked as they get older, but that kind of set the tone. He really has a great heart.”

I'm sorry that can't be right.  The above posts clash with what I learned on Celtics Blog.  I learned here that he is "lazy and shiftless".  So, I'm sorry, but these sweet stories are just not cutting the mustard.

That's right!  Get out the pitchforks! Mary Shelley's Frankenstein does not end well!  We can't let this 19-year-old kid, get away with losing his wallet or oversleeping! 
And who cuts mustard anyway?

I thought he would be 21 by the time the season starts

That’s right.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: hwangjini_1 on July 13, 2018, 02:57:00 PM
and i agree as well. it just clutters up the blog with utter trash.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: nickagneta on July 13, 2018, 03:31:13 PM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23986580/robert-williams-says-missing-celtics-practice-fault

https://www.masslive.com/celtics/index.ssf/2018/07/boston_celtics_rookie_robert_w_2.html

From the article:

Quote
Larranaga said, "He's been really, really good. Really focused. Picked up the points of emphasis that we had [Monday] in practice really well. Seems very coachable. Like we said, this is the beginning of the process for him and for the summer league team. Day 1 was good."

Later Larranaga added: "He's volleyball-spiking shots and catching the ball with his elbows. He can make an impact on both ends of the floor when he plays with great effort. He has that length and athleticism. I think he's a very unselfish player. That's really important in our system."

I'm optimistic that his problem isn't actually work ethic but more immaturity and general bone-headedness. That can get better.
Yeah he's 20 years old and immaturity issues and lack of expisure to any working environment seem to definitely be the cause in my opinion.

I am actually surprised this stuff doesn't hapoen more often to these incomung freshmen and sophomores. Of course, maybe they have better agents that do a lot of hand holding.
Title: Re: "Robert Williams missed practice for the Cs because he missed his flight."
Post by: Eddie20 on July 13, 2018, 04:38:26 PM
and i agree as well. it just clutters up the blog with utter trash.

Was this about the substance abuse insinuation?

If so, there have been whispers that marijuana is the reason he was suspended in college.

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/8taey6/king_reason_why_robert_williams_fell_in_the_draft/

Quote
Asked Thursday night about Williams’ two-game suspension at the beginning of his sophomore season, which two sources indicated came due to marijuana use, Ainge said the big man passed all the necessary background checks to be worthy of a first-round pick. The Celtics even looked into moving up in the draft once it became clear Williams would slide, but ultimately landed him while standing pat.

Other teams weren’t as sold as Boston, with a couple suggesting to The Athletic that Williams looked badly out of shape during the pre-draft workout season. A number of NBA people aren’t sold Williams loves the game of basketball, though one cautioned many big guys fall under the same umbrella.

The Celtics did not have a chance to audition Williams, but did their homework on him nonetheless.

“You never know everything about everybody, obviously,” Ainge said. “We’re comfortable with who he is and a lot of people that we talked to, his coaches and his teammates, his trainers, we checked with a lot of people that are familiar with him and everybody likes Robert. I know that he’s not perfect, but most players aren’t and we think his upside – he’s got a great upside. We’re very excited to have him. I’m not trying to defend our reason for drafting him, but we find he’s going to be a good player. We like what we found on his background checks.”

https://theathletic.com/403689/2018/06/22/king-dont-read-too-much-into-robert-williams-botching-his-first-assignment-with-the-celtics/
Title: Re: Robert Williams' Knee / Artery Condition In Both Legs
Post by: IDreamCeltics on July 14, 2018, 06:53:09 AM
I don't see what the confusion is about.  The next Bill Russell is seeing Kawhi's Doctor.  He'll be back by 2019
Title: It is a long winding road-summer league just a measuring stick
Post by: rollie mass on July 14, 2018, 07:10:32 AM
The holding out of summer league of Tatum and Brown along with Williams.From the basketball i have seen this year at summer league it is safer and more productive working out with their trainers.
Williams gets to acclimate and work on other areas shooting technique, foul shooting,dribbling skills and acclimate to NBA lifestyle.Having his own coach and former Butler player and assistant in Maine will also aide his getting used getting runs in Maine.
Being humiliated in press  and humbled sitting on bench unable to compete is just the beginning
but what better time to teach the simple things and discipline that would be blocked by his monster dunks and blocks.
This is allowing him to be taught from bottom up with no game time athleticism to let his ego off the hook.Hope that solve his hitch.
The press that Jerome Robinson got for his shot blocking and rebounding wouldn't have been with Williams playing and he would be garnering steal of draft praise which would hinder his advancement of disciplined repetition of small things.
He is getting to bond with players without the WOW factor and suffering the indignities of repetitious negative press that has no news feed of monster dunks and blocks.Seems like punishment to me.
So to some it up the getting to 100%might pay important dividends in his workout regime and maturity while we fans have to patiently wait and fend off the critics
 I call them proto analysts  they get so far up the players butt all they see is crap.
Title: Re: It is a long winding road-summer league just a measuring stick
Post by: rollie mass on July 14, 2018, 10:19:37 AM
I hope i am right-we get a very good player
i hope they are wrong then we get a very good player
If they are right then we lose an athletically gifted draft choice.
Is leaving a wallet in your room or with a friend worth savaging a 20 yr old

Scout honor is a conspiracy whack job that has no proof of substance abuse in connection missing the flight.He spends days and weeks contorting the truth in an attempt titillate his followers.
I want to be right, so the Celtics have a shot blocker of the future,i want to watch, a quick center that has a 12.5 vertical reach,i want a center that loves defense and guards all five positions.So Williams gets the benefit of doubt till the organization and teammates kick in and if that fails unless it is injury related, he has then failed.
Title: Re: Positive Story About Robert Williams
Post by: billysan on July 14, 2018, 09:27:58 PM
Thanks Footey. TP4U
Title: Re: Positive Story About Robert Williams
Post by: nickagneta on July 14, 2018, 09:43:12 PM
He's from Louisiana for C's sake.

He will need some time to adjust.
Yeah, he's going to have to get used to the pace of life in Boston.
Title: Re: Positive Story About Robert Williams
Post by: Fred Roberts on July 14, 2018, 09:56:03 PM
Love the interview. Looking forward to having this guy learn from Al and Baynes and even Theis. All good guys, seemingly, and highly professional.

Having young dudes with good heads on their shoulders will be great too. It is the perfect environment for him. Earth is flat!
Title: Re: Positive Story About Robert Williams
Post by: SHAQATTACK on July 14, 2018, 09:58:55 PM
Love the interview. Looking forward to having this guy learn from Al and Baynes and even Theis. All good guys, seemingly, and highly professional.

Having young dudes with good heads on their shoulders will be great too. It is the perfect environment for him. Earth is flat!


I love to be a fly on the wall when Kyrie is explan n  Flat Earth theory to Bob  ;)
Title: Re: Positive Story About Robert Williams
Post by: rollie mass on July 15, 2018, 07:39:11 AM
You better be high up on that wall or Robert will swat you down-flat fly-flat earth
Title: Re: Positive Story About Robert Williams
Post by: JBcat on July 15, 2018, 07:47:23 AM
More good stories about Robert, and just maybe people will stop calling him Bob. ;D
Title: Robert Williams and sitting out
Post by: rollie mass on July 15, 2018, 08:13:54 AM
It must be torturous watching rookie and 2nd yr players knowing that your defense would dominate and the press would be talking monsta dunks and blocks.Instead of a lost wallet and missing a flight  He is doing.hours of rehab and repetitive drills nothing fancy but really important going forward.
Delayed gratification, can help build maturity as he chafes at the bit but HAS to accept what trainers and organization think is best.
Robert has had the time to learn and watch without the distraction of media fawning over his leaping ability as they did Jerome Robinson.
So Robert is getting a crash course on why you take care of your body.It would be easy for the brass to succumb and try out their new toy but any re injury would set him back further delaying the real work that starts in Boston.Danny, Brad  and his teammates will help Robert be the best version of himself.
So as much as i want him to play and put everything that is not basketball to bed.This experience may far outweigh some dunks-.Working on touch and shots around the rim,shooting technique,foul shooting, ball handling and dribbling drills and not one dunk to thunderous applause.Just working on the things that will make him a better CELTIC basketball player-even a better CELTIC
Title: Re: Positive Story About Robert Williams
Post by: chilidawg on July 15, 2018, 10:04:51 AM
Thanks for that.  I was disappointed at how a couple screw ups had people already writing him off.  Comments from the coaching staff and other players have been positive as well, so it's not like this is the only good news we'd had.
Title: Re: Robert Williams and sitting out
Post by: RockinRyA on July 15, 2018, 10:11:39 AM
It must be torturous watching rookie and 2nd yr players knowing that your defense would dominate and the press would be talking monsta dunks and blocks.Instead of a lost wallet and missing a flight  He is doing.hours of rehab and repetitive drills nothing fancy but really important going forward.
Delayed gratification, can help build maturity as he chafes at the bit but HAS to accept what trainers and organization think is best.
Robert has had the time to learn and watch without the distraction of media fawning over his leaping ability as they did Jerome Robinson.
So Robert is getting a crash course on why you take care of your body.It would be easy for the brass to succumb and try out their new toy but any re injury would set him back further delaying the real work that starts in Boston.Danny, Brad  and his teammates will help Robert be the best version of himself.
So as much as i want him to play and put everything that is not basketball to bed.This experience may far outweigh some dunks-.Working on touch and shots around the rim,shooting technique,foul shooting, ball handling and dribbling drills and not one dunk to thunderous applause.Just working on the things that will make him a better CELTIC basketball player-even a better CELTIC

Can you please just post in numerous Robert Williams thread you've started? We don't need another one cluttering the forums.
Title: Re: Robert Williams and sitting out
Post by: Eddie20 on July 15, 2018, 10:20:58 AM
It must be torturous watching rookie and 2nd yr players knowing that your defense would dominate and the press would be talking monsta dunks and blocks.Instead of a lost wallet and missing a flight  He is doing.hours of rehab and repetitive drills nothing fancy but really important going forward.
Delayed gratification, can help build maturity as he chafes at the bit but HAS to accept what trainers and organization think is best.
Robert has had the time to learn and watch without the distraction of media fawning over his leaping ability as they did Jerome Robinson.
So Robert is getting a crash course on why you take care of your body.It would be easy for the brass to succumb and try out their new toy but any re injury would set him back further delaying the real work that starts in Boston.Danny, Brad  and his teammates will help Robert be the best version of himself.
So as much as i want him to play and put everything that is not basketball to bed.This experience may far outweigh some dunks-.Working on touch and shots around the rim,shooting technique,foul shooting, ball handling and dribbling drills and not one dunk to thunderous applause.Just working on the things that will make him a better CELTIC basketball player-even a better CELTIC

Can you please just post in numerous Robert Williams thread you've started? We don't need another one cluttering the forums.

He doesn't care. This is his 12th RW thread in 3 weeks.

 What makes it funny is that he's not even playing.
Title: Re: Robert Williams and sitting out
Post by: hodgy03038 on July 15, 2018, 10:23:33 AM
It must be torturous watching rookie and 2nd yr players knowing that your defense would dominate and the press would be talking monsta dunks and blocks.Instead of a lost wallet and missing a flight  He is doing.hours of rehab and repetitive drills nothing fancy but really important going forward.
Delayed gratification, can help build maturity as he chafes at the bit but HAS to accept what trainers and organization think is best.
Robert has had the time to learn and watch without the distraction of media fawning over his leaping ability as they did Jerome Robinson.
So Robert is getting a crash course on why you take care of your body.It would be easy for the brass to succumb and try out their new toy but any re injury would set him back further delaying the real work that starts in Boston.Danny, Brad  and his teammates will help Robert be the best version of himself.
So as much as i want him to play and put everything that is not basketball to bed.This experience may far outweigh some dunks-.Working on touch and shots around the rim,shooting technique,foul shooting, ball handling and dribbling drills and not one dunk to thunderous applause.Just working on the things that will make him a better CELTIC basketball player-even a better CELTIC

Can you please just post in numerous Robert Williams thread you've started? We don't need another one cluttering the forums.

He doesn't care. This is his 12th RW thread in 3 weeks.

 What makes it funny is that he's not even playing.

I see many RW threads but I don't think he is the OP in most of them. I only see a couple that he has started.
Title: Re: Robert Williams and sitting out
Post by: Eddie20 on July 15, 2018, 10:31:10 AM
It must be torturous watching rookie and 2nd yr players knowing that your defense would dominate and the press would be talking monsta dunks and blocks.Instead of a lost wallet and missing a flight  He is doing.hours of rehab and repetitive drills nothing fancy but really important going forward.
Delayed gratification, can help build maturity as he chafes at the bit but HAS to accept what trainers and organization think is best.
Robert has had the time to learn and watch without the distraction of media fawning over his leaping ability as they did Jerome Robinson.
So Robert is getting a crash course on why you take care of your body.It would be easy for the brass to succumb and try out their new toy but any re injury would set him back further delaying the real work that starts in Boston.Danny, Brad  and his teammates will help Robert be the best version of himself.
So as much as i want him to play and put everything that is not basketball to bed.This experience may far outweigh some dunks-.Working on touch and shots around the rim,shooting technique,foul shooting, ball handling and dribbling drills and not one dunk to thunderous applause.Just working on the things that will make him a better CELTIC basketball player-even a better CELTIC

Can you please just post in numerous Robert Williams thread you've started? We don't need another one cluttering the forums.

He doesn't care. This is his 12th RW thread in 3 weeks.

 What makes it funny is that he's not even playing.

I see many RW threads but I don't think he is the OP in most of them. I only see a couple that he has started.

Yeah, he's at 12, but some have started others as well.

OP started this yesterday:
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=97277.0

OP started this Thursday:
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=97262.0

So 3 RW threads in 4 days that have involved no games played or anything related to news.


Title: Re: Robert Williams and sitting out
Post by: moiso on July 15, 2018, 10:42:06 AM
I look forward to tomorrow's Williams thread saying the exact same thing.  Not.
Title: Re: Robert Williams and sitting out
Post by: rollie mass on July 15, 2018, 11:00:10 AM
Thought police-i have read so much negative stuff aimed at Williams in the press and how many of those OP's have you posted in Eddie-you are a stalker,critic and have no social redeeming value in any of your posts.Lately Williams is being abused and accused of substance abuse when he went home-pure conjecture but in print people parrot and then it becomes a fact
You seem to get off trailing my posts-get lost
if a moderator wants to merge posts with different time frames and content-
Last night was another night of hoping Robert would play, then rationalizing his sitting.

I think you guys should leave your criticism up to moderators.And stop stalking anything positive.
Title: Re: Robert Williams and sitting out
Post by: Eddie20 on July 15, 2018, 11:27:22 AM
Thought police-i have read so much negative stuff aimed at Williams in the press and how many of those OP's have you posted in Eddie-you are a stalker,critic and have no social redeeming value in any of your posts.Lately Williams is being abused and accused of substance abuse when he went home-pure conjecture but in print people parrot and then it becomes a fact
You seem to get off trailing my posts-get lost
if a moderator wants to merge posts with different time frames and content-
Last night was another night of hoping Robert would play, then rationalizing his sitting.

I think you guys should leave your criticism up to moderators.And stop stalking anything positive.

No need to get upset and insult people. I think you should be more considerate of others who find all these Williams threads cluttering to the overall forum experience. It causes other, much more relevant topics, to be drowned out due to regurgitating thoughts.

If you have an unrelenting desire to share your daily RW thoughts couldn't you simply post it in one of your previous RW threads? You're treating this forum as a daily diary, which isn't the purpose of this, or any forum.
Title: Re: Robert Williams and sitting out
Post by: hwangjini_1 on July 15, 2018, 11:28:06 AM
It must be torturous watching rookie and 2nd yr players knowing that your defense would dominate and the press would be talking monsta dunks and blocks.Instead of a lost wallet and missing a flight  He is doing.hours of rehab and repetitive drills nothing fancy but really important going forward.
Delayed gratification, can help build maturity as he chafes at the bit but HAS to accept what trainers and organization think is best.
Robert has had the time to learn and watch without the distraction of media fawning over his leaping ability as they did Jerome Robinson.
So Robert is getting a crash course on why you take care of your body.It would be easy for the brass to succumb and try out their new toy but any re injury would set him back further delaying the real work that starts in Boston.Danny, Brad  and his teammates will help Robert be the best version of himself.
So as much as i want him to play and put everything that is not basketball to bed.This experience may far outweigh some dunks-.Working on touch and shots around the rim,shooting technique,foul shooting, ball handling and dribbling drills and not one dunk to thunderous applause.Just working on the things that will make him a better CELTIC basketball player-even a better CELTIC

Can you please just post in numerous Robert Williams thread you've started? We don't need another one cluttering the forums.

He doesn't care. This is his 12th RW thread in 3 weeks.

 What makes it funny is that he's not even playing.
eddie, why exaggerate about rollie's threads? indeed, if they bother you, why post in them again and again?

while yes rollie could have posted elsewhere, yes also, he is correct in his points on williams. in general this blog wants instant gratification (me too) and want to see him play in summer league games. we want to see rebounds, blocks, put backs, and fire from williams.

but he is the 27th pick and needs a lot to learn. he isnt cracking the rotation this year, at least not at the outset. so, rollie posits that building up williams muscles, skills, and attitude early in his career are going to pay off down the road. i agree.
Title: Re: Robert Williams and sitting out
Post by: Csfan1984 on July 15, 2018, 11:32:42 AM
These might be the forums last few days let's not complain about posts let's go out on a positive note.

As for the reason of the thread though it's a named player yet the idea is applied to many guys. Playing games is the best part about basketball sitting out and stuck with rehab can't be fun
Title: Re: Robert Williams and sitting out
Post by: Eddie20 on July 15, 2018, 11:49:28 AM
It must be torturous watching rookie and 2nd yr players knowing that your defense would dominate and the press would be talking monsta dunks and blocks.Instead of a lost wallet and missing a flight  He is doing.hours of rehab and repetitive drills nothing fancy but really important going forward.
Delayed gratification, can help build maturity as he chafes at the bit but HAS to accept what trainers and organization think is best.
Robert has had the time to learn and watch without the distraction of media fawning over his leaping ability as they did Jerome Robinson.
So Robert is getting a crash course on why you take care of your body.It would be easy for the brass to succumb and try out their new toy but any re injury would set him back further delaying the real work that starts in Boston.Danny, Brad  and his teammates will help Robert be the best version of himself.
So as much as i want him to play and put everything that is not basketball to bed.This experience may far outweigh some dunks-.Working on touch and shots around the rim,shooting technique,foul shooting, ball handling and dribbling drills and not one dunk to thunderous applause.Just working on the things that will make him a better CELTIC basketball player-even a better CELTIC

Can you please just post in numerous Robert Williams thread you've started? We don't need another one cluttering the forums.

He doesn't care. This is his 12th RW thread in 3 weeks.

 What makes it funny is that he's not even playing.

eddie, why exaggerate about rollie's threads?

PM sent, but for clarity...


#1
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=96949.0

#2
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=96970.0

#3
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=96985.0

#4
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=97059.0

#5
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=97069.0

#6
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=97141.0

#7
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=97154.0

#8
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=97046.0

#9
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=97221.0

#10
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=97285.0

#11
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=97277.0

#12
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=97262.0
Title: Re: Robert Williams and sitting out
Post by: rollie mass on July 15, 2018, 11:49:41 AM
Thought police-i have read so much negative stuff aimed at Williams in the press and how many of those OP's have you posted in Eddie-you are a stalker,critic and have no social redeeming value in any of your posts.Lately Williams is being abused and accused of substance abuse when he went home-pure conjecture but in print people parrot and then it becomes a fact
You seem to get off trailing my posts-get lost
if a moderator wants to merge posts with different time frames and content-
Last night was another night of hoping Robert would play, then rationalizing his sitting.

I think you guys should leave your criticism up to moderators.And stop stalking anything positive.

You have posted  three times on this thread-why should i go backward s and post in a thread that had responses or become obsolete.I will reiterate he is working daily on touch and finishes at the hoop,shooting technique and foul shots getting in reps and weight room as well as integrating himself with the players.Rehab is boring with no goal of playing time.
And to see any comparison to Robinson then they don't know basketball.How old is Williams 20.
I bet you even know what month.
You have been stalking me and baiting since i started posting and that is a fixation.
My content is positive vs negative
i'm right Celtics win
Your right Celtics lose.

Several of those were lead ins to breaking news such as assistant coach and agent supplying trainer,as well as coaches character reference-why post after 6 pages or 4 pages--how many times have you posted in my op threads even Nick Agenta the moderator posted more than several times on different threads.They become obsolete and twisted sometimes and you do your best to sabotage and deflect.Your a stirrer
Controversy was swirling around this 20 yr old with no structure in place and you would pipe in about kids his age going to war or he is paid millions or correcting his age when someone posted 19-what clap trap.
 and several of your examples of my posts  were about Horford ,Brown and Tatum.


Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on July 15, 2018, 12:48:45 PM
Eddie, try to relax your baiting and trolling.  It detracts from the board a lot more than overlapping threads.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: moiso on July 15, 2018, 01:30:54 PM
Why are people telling Eddie to tone it down?  He’s not the aggressor, and that’s usually the case.  He disagrees with something and then gets called names and insulted. 
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: nickagneta on July 15, 2018, 01:55:28 PM
Okay, enough with the talk regarding Eddie20 and rollie. Eddie and rollie, refrain from commenting on the other's posts. Eddie stop the stalking. Failure to abide by this will result in long term bans. And I want to see zero posts questioning or reacting to this post.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: footey on July 17, 2018, 08:15:10 PM
Brad should ask RW3 to watch all the film on Bill Russell, and read his books about competition and how to win. Russ was a genius on this subject. More than any athlete I have ever observed. Including Jordan.

Now before you roll your eyes about this, let me be clear, there will never be another Bill Russell. I will go to my grave knowing he will always be my GOAT.

But the similarities in physique and playing styles are uncanny. Watch video highlights of each of them and tell me what you think.

P.S. I saw Russell play live, albeit towards the end of his career.  It is not sacreligious to draw this comparison. Premature? Sure. But if he pans out, we’ll all be able to laugh.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Tr1boy on July 17, 2018, 08:58:21 PM
Not going to get my hopes up

It was a risky pick that may pay dividends down the line....but don't bank on it

Plus roster is congested from top to bottom except at pf/c position

I still wish Danny chose Spellman (safer choice but lower ceiling). Either way both could be out of the league in a few years
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Surferdad on July 17, 2018, 09:48:09 PM
Not going to get my hopes up

It was a risky pick that may pay dividends down the line....but don't bank on it

Plus roster is congested from top to bottom except at pf/c position


I still wish Danny chose Spellman (safer choice but lower ceiling). Either way both could be out of the league in a few years
Which is why I’m fine with the pick.  What better time to make a high risk/high reward pick than when you have a deep team with very few weaknesses?
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: playdream on July 18, 2018, 12:18:35 AM
Yeah when you can have a player whose ceiling is Bill Russel you take it, no question asked
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Ilikesports17 on July 18, 2018, 12:30:59 AM
Yeah when you can have a player whose ceiling is Bill Russel you take it, no question asked
I hope you aren't suggesting Robert Williams has a Bill Russell level ceiling
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: pokeKingCurtis on July 18, 2018, 01:39:59 AM
Yeah when you can have a player whose ceiling is Bill Russel you take it, no question asked
I hope you aren't suggesting Robert Williams has a Bill Russell level ceiling

Yea. Major disrespect.

At least Russell + Wilt, maybe a bit of MJ after he hit that mid-range jumper in summer league.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: rollie mass on July 18, 2018, 05:37:53 AM
The play that most impressed me was a missed shot with very little time on clock he was forced into a baseline floater.It showed time awareness and a fluidity ending with a soft touch.Earlier he also received the ball with little time and hit a mid range jumper.
This undercoached 20 year old has tested as the second highest vertical reach "ever" and his bio mechanics have been tested and allow him to cover even point guards both tests at P3 sports science.
So it is safe to say a physical anomaly with a 7-6 wingspan and a 240 lb frame..

Immaturity doesn't make a 20 year old a bad person but it may lead to some poor choices or lack of organization skills leading to mistakes that doesn't mean uncoachable. Life experiences are unique in a small town in Louisiana much simpler and manageable.
We put expectations of professional behavior on an just drafted immature,inexperienced kid.Terry Rozier jumped in a pool draft night,he ate spaghetti sandwiches and got up to all sorts of stuff at college but was instrumental in leading the Celtics when Kyrie went down -this took three seasons. Then he punked Danny on live TV not a good move immature one might say'
Jaylen had his car filled to the roof with popcorn-some would say immature.Those actions were not accidents like misplacing a wallet that results in a missed flight

Russell had length and was a high jumper in track and field-Dave Cowens was a surprisingly good jumper also rugged and quick for his size .So Williams athletic tools put him in a different league to most big men.So it is safe to say we will see some athletic feats not seen in Boston since the days of these two Hall of Fame centers.
So we have a young raw talent that loves defense surrounded by young talent Boston drafted and some impressive all star vets.
The Celtics have responded with a personal coach an assistant ex coach from home while gaining life experiences in Boston.
We don't want him to" forget how to jump".
Jaylen had his friend from home living him and that ended tragically.
Jason had his mom in same building  and mid season pulled up with a new baby.
The Celtics have been fortunate to have this happen so early and the press had a missed flight,a relocated wallet and an overslept conference call to write about.
I can't wait for huge block 2 feet above the rim, he has a standing vertical reach of 12 feet-again that is" standstill" and measured at P3.
We have seen the athletic feats of Jaylen and a" Kobesque" Jason, the defensive "slam dunks" of Marcus and play of "Scary Terry".
I can't wait for training camp and to hear the reports of Roberts blocks and athletic ability.
By the way Lemon has a 48inch vertical better than Lavine and Wiggins

Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Celtics4ever on July 18, 2018, 08:03:32 AM
I don't think we should ever compare a guy to Russell especially one this unproven.   Yes, his metrics are great but Russell had about the best mind of anyone who ever played in terms of will to win coupled with great basketball IQ and psychological manipulation.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: rollie mass on July 18, 2018, 08:55:40 AM
I understand and watched Russell win all those championships.Russell played in an era of slow twitch and with Red assembling a dynasty-i actually played against Cousy in an exhibition game
Go back and look at his early days foul shooting and his almost set shot.
I am only presenting athletic givens on a 20 year old starting a long journey
The realty of a kid from standstill getting 2 ft above the rim is hard to digest.
I stated jumping ability not seen since days of russell and Cowens-he is a physical anomaly  and will at NBA level make monster dunks and blocks .You heard Larranaga he dunks with his elbows--i have a saying a dunk is only 2 points but the crowd loves them.
I prefer Kyries skill level but above the top of box is a WOW.
I used to go to Jungle Jims(loscy) Camps,saw Sam Jones put on a shooting exhibition that was crazy good all banks .

Remember the furor when Dr J was taking off from foul line  or Chocolate Thunder shattering backboards a first then a 2nd time or Pistol Pete and floppy socks.
Robert is already special from his bio mechanics to his vertical and wingspan how he uses it  will be guided by the Celtics .But in the 6 minutes he played i remember a flying closeout that will be very disruptive.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: footey on July 18, 2018, 10:09:08 AM
I understand and watched Russell win all those championships.Russell played in an era of slow twitch and with Red assembling a dynasty-i actually played against Cousy in an exhibition game
Go back and look at his early days foul shooting and his almost set shot.
I am only presenting athletic givens on a 20 year old starting a long journey
The realty of a kid from standstill getting 2 ft above the rim is hard to digest.
I stated jumping ability not seen since days of russell and Cowens-he is a physical anomaly  and will at NBA level make monster dunks and blocks .You heard Larranaga he dunks with his elbows--i have a saying a dunk is only 2 points but the crowd loves them.
I prefer Kyries skill level but above the top of box is a WOW.
I used to go to Jungle Jims(loscy) Camps,saw Sam Jones put on a shooting exhibition that was crazy good all banks .

Remember the furor when Dr J was taking off from foul line  or Chocolate Thunder shattering backboards a first then a 2nd time or Pistol Pete and floppy socks.
Robert is already special from his bio mechanics to his vertical and wingspan how he uses it  will be guided by the Celtics .But in the 6 minutes he played i remember a flying closeout that will be very disruptive.

Hey Rollie, I posted about the same play that impressed me the most about RW in his limited minutes in SL. It was that play with the shot clock expiring, it showed really good court presence.  Even though he missed the shot, he creates something out of nothing with time expiring.

Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: rollie mass on July 18, 2018, 11:34:14 AM
I understand and watched Russell win all those championships.Russell played in an era of slow twitch and with Red assembling a dynasty-i actually played against Cousy in an exhibition game
Go back and look at his early days foul shooting and his almost set shot.
I am only presenting athletic givens on a 20 year old starting a long journey
The realty of a kid from standstill getting 2 ft above the rim is hard to digest.
I stated jumping ability not seen since days of russell and Cowens-he is a physical anomaly  and will at NBA level make monster dunks and blocks .You heard Larranaga he dunks with his elbows--i have a saying a dunk is only 2 points but the crowd loves them.
I prefer Kyries skill level but above the top of box is a WOW.
I used to go to Jungle Jims(loscy) Camps,saw Sam Jones put on a shooting exhibition that was crazy good all banks .

Remember the furor when Dr J was taking off from foul line  or Chocolate Thunder shattering backboards a first then a 2nd time or Pistol Pete and floppy socks.
Robert is already special from his bio mechanics to his vertical and wingspan how he uses it  will be guided by the Celtics .But in the 6 minutes he played i remember a flying closeout that will be very disruptive.

Hey Rollie, I posted about the same play that impressed me the most about RW in his limited minutes in SL. It was that play with the shot clock expiring, it showed really good court presence.  Even though he missed the shot, he creates something out of nothing with time expiring.
TP he wasn't panicked went baseline put up a runner with soft touch.Glad you spotted it also.It was my COOL moment-i said to myself i saw everything i needed to see in 6 minutes.

Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: footey on July 18, 2018, 11:56:05 AM
I understand and watched Russell win all those championships.Russell played in an era of slow twitch and with Red assembling a dynasty-i actually played against Cousy in an exhibition game
Go back and look at his early days foul shooting and his almost set shot.
I am only presenting athletic givens on a 20 year old starting a long journey
The realty of a kid from standstill getting 2 ft above the rim is hard to digest.
I stated jumping ability not seen since days of russell and Cowens-he is a physical anomaly  and will at NBA level make monster dunks and blocks .You heard Larranaga he dunks with his elbows--i have a saying a dunk is only 2 points but the crowd loves them.
I prefer Kyries skill level but above the top of box is a WOW.
I used to go to Jungle Jims(loscy) Camps,saw Sam Jones put on a shooting exhibition that was crazy good all banks .

Remember the furor when Dr J was taking off from foul line  or Chocolate Thunder shattering backboards a first then a 2nd time or Pistol Pete and floppy socks.
Robert is already special from his bio mechanics to his vertical and wingspan how he uses it  will be guided by the Celtics .But in the 6 minutes he played i remember a flying closeout that will be very disruptive.

Hey Rollie, I posted about the same play that impressed me the most about RW in his limited minutes in SL. It was that play with the shot clock expiring, it showed really good court presence.  Even though he missed the shot, he creates something out of nothing with time expiring.
TP he wasn't panicked went baseline put up a runner with soft touch.Glad you spotted it also.It was my COOL moment-i said to myself i saw everything i needed to see in 6 minutes.

co-sign/TP
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: JHTruth on July 18, 2018, 11:59:54 AM
I understand and watched Russell win all those championships.Russell played in an era of slow twitch and with Red assembling a dynasty-i actually played against Cousy in an exhibition game
Go back and look at his early days foul shooting and his almost set shot.
I am only presenting athletic givens on a 20 year old starting a long journey
The realty of a kid from standstill getting 2 ft above the rim is hard to digest.
I stated jumping ability not seen since days of russell and Cowens-he is a physical anomaly  and will at NBA level make monster dunks and blocks .You heard Larranaga he dunks with his elbows--i have a saying a dunk is only 2 points but the crowd loves them.
I prefer Kyries skill level but above the top of box is a WOW.
I used to go to Jungle Jims(loscy) Camps,saw Sam Jones put on a shooting exhibition that was crazy good all banks .

Remember the furor when Dr J was taking off from foul line  or Chocolate Thunder shattering backboards a first then a 2nd time or Pistol Pete and floppy socks.
Robert is already special from his bio mechanics to his vertical and wingspan how he uses it  will be guided by the Celtics .But in the 6 minutes he played i remember a flying closeout that will be very disruptive.

Hey Rollie, I posted about the same play that impressed me the most about RW in his limited minutes in SL. It was that play with the shot clock expiring, it showed really good court presence.  Even though he missed the shot, he creates something out of nothing with time expiring.
TP he wasn't panicked went baseline put up a runner with soft touch.Glad you spotted it also.It was my COOL moment-i said to myself i saw everything i needed to see in 6 minutes.

That move showed his amazing agility for a man his size. Hakeem-esque. Now for everyone freaking out that I'm saying he will be Hakeem settle down. Just saying he is supremely athletic for a man his size..
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: konkmv on July 18, 2018, 01:52:06 PM
If he can stay healthy he will be the Jaylen brown of centers
Title: Two Time SEC Defensive Player of Year-a tough conference
Post by: rollie mass on July 23, 2018, 07:53:52 AM
Danny so emphatically brought this up at Introduction Conference, i decided to read up on this award and found he also led the SEC in 2018 in rebounds 9 and blocks 2.6 per game..One article said he was runaway favorite as defensive player of year.
With his tools and his "love of Defense" this seems a transferable skill and will get him some time on the court.

Larranaga said he was a quick learner so this period between Summer League and training camp should be maximized at the Auerbach Facility.Weight training ,diet, film and drills with trainers.

With the focus on Hayward and Marcus signing Williams has gone off the grid.Which could be a good thing after his earlier Faux Pas.
So in my watching his tapes with its collection of dunks and blocks , what stood out to me was the body control and his moves to basket in transition.This kid is very coordinated not just a pogo stick.That showed in his missed runner in his first 6 minutes of summer league his court awareness(time clock) and soft touch.
Overlooked is his rebounding and awareness of where the ball is going, he covers a huge area because of his wingspan and attacks the ball while rebounding over others.
Then there is the bio mechanics that allow him the switch ability onto guards and how massive that is to todays game.

The word tantalizing was used for Williams skill set .

And that applies to starting five the caliber of skill sets and all shooting 40% from three
Then bring in Marcus, Rozier, Theis, Morris, and Baynes the opposing 2nd team back courts will be trembling.
Last year at training camp players were giddy and Horford said it was the best he ever had.




Title: Re: Two Time SEC Defensive Player of Year-a tough conference
Post by: Roy H. on July 23, 2018, 08:53:49 AM
SEC DPOY is certainly a good thing, but a lot of times College dominance doesn’t translate. Here’s a list of NCAA DPOYs. It’s got some great players, and some guys who flamed out.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/awards/nabc-dpoy.html
Title: Re: Two Time SEC Defensive Player of Year-a tough conference
Post by: footey on July 23, 2018, 10:53:58 AM
SEC DPOY is certainly a good thing, but a lot of times College dominance doesn’t translate. Here’s a list of NCAA DPOYs. It’s got some great players, and some guys who flamed out.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/awards/nabc-dpoy.html

Thanks, Roy. Good context.  Although I must say there are some pretty impressive names on that list (Anthony Davis, Shane Battier, Victor Oladipo) and also a couple of real busts (Thabeet, Shelden Williams).

EDIT: And going back to the 90's, guys like Duncan, Mourning and Grant HIll and Stacy Augmon. WOW.

 Bottom line: Every player is unique.

I wonder if RW3 got many votes for national defensive player of the year in either of his two seasons?
Title: Re: Two Time SEC Defensive Player of Year-a tough conference
Post by: JHTruth on July 23, 2018, 11:32:46 AM
SEC DPOY is certainly a good thing, but a lot of times College dominance doesn’t translate. Here’s a list of NCAA DPOYs. It’s got some great players, and some guys who flamed out.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/awards/nabc-dpoy.html

I think it's more useful, as the OP addressed, at physical tools. Frankly with a 7'5" wingspan, huge vert, and incredible quickness, it should be of no surprise to anyone that RW3 was a terrific rebounder and rim-protector in college. It would nearly be inexplicable to not translate those skills into the pros.

Where RW3 has the biggest questions is shooting/post O, but he's shown some signs of having at least passable touch and is a brilliant finisher. I have no doubt RW3 will be successful as a D player, he would almost have to try to not be.
Title: Re: Two Time SEC Defensive Player of Year-a tough conference
Post by: droopdog7 on July 23, 2018, 12:24:49 PM
SEC DPOY is certainly a good thing, but a lot of times College dominance doesn’t translate. Here’s a list of NCAA DPOYs. It’s got some great players, and some guys who flamed out.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/awards/nabc-dpoy.html

Thanks, Roy. Good context.  Although I must say there are some pretty impressive names on that list (Anthony Davis, Shane Battier, Victor Oladipo) and also a couple of real busts (Thabeet, Shelden Williams).

EDIT: And going back to the 90's, guys like Duncan, Mourning and Grant HIll and Stacy Augmon. WOW.

 Bottom line: Every player is unique.

I wonder if RW3 got many votes for national defensive player of the year in either of his two seasons?
Yeah, I don't necessarily think that it will translate.  But that list actually adds more confidence, rather than less. 
Title: Re: Two Time SEC Defensive Player of Year-a tough conference
Post by: Vermont Green on July 23, 2018, 01:51:05 PM
It is really a shame that he did not play more in the summer league.  At this point, it is absolutely impossible to judge what kind of NBA player he will be (as it is with nearly any rookie).  But with the physical skills that he brings, however raw, to get this type of player this late in the draft, what more can you expect?

The SEC player of the year thing it great, it doesn't mean much but it does mean something.  It means he is a defensive minded big who had some success at the top level of college basketball in at least one aspect of the game.  I'll take that and remain patient until we have a chance to see what we have. 

I think he may be somewhat like Avery Bradley.  Bradley was actually pretty bad his first season.  He was physically ready for the game but not emotionally.  But if you watch closely, you could tell that there was something there.  I hope we see the same with Robert (Little Chief) Williams.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: konkmv on July 23, 2018, 02:37:27 PM
Let him become healthy and train some months with the team
Title: Where is Robert Williams
Post by: rollie mass on July 26, 2018, 05:56:29 PM
Is he working out at Auerbach center,has his knee healed
Jaysons working hard!
Jaylen in between trips and playing baseball.!
How is his attitude?And weight training?
Title: Re: Where is Robert Williams
Post by: Ogaju on July 26, 2018, 06:00:58 PM
who is Robert Williams?
Title: Re: Where is Robert Williams
Post by: JHTruth on July 26, 2018, 06:02:25 PM
No one here would have any idea man. Last we heard he should be back in Boston by now and working with the personal coach the Celtics have assigned him. Why don't you head down to the Auerbach and see for yourself?
Title: Re: Where is Robert Williams
Post by: Roy H. on July 26, 2018, 06:20:35 PM
Based upon what we know, probably partying, sleeping in a lot, and randomly losing stuff. Haha.
Title: Re: Where is Robert Williams
Post by: jpotter33 on July 26, 2018, 06:37:49 PM
who is Robert Williams?

I’ll do you one better - why is Robert Williams?! 😂

https://youtu.be/0X82MbhuCgg (for context)
Title: Re: Where is Robert Williams
Post by: JHTruth on July 26, 2018, 06:48:04 PM
Robert Williams Unveils New STEM Lab

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=4&v=PfbY-1Z4h0w
Title: Re: Where is Robert Williams
Post by: Surferdad on July 26, 2018, 07:00:35 PM
Robert Williams Unveils New STEM Lab

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=4&v=PfbY-1Z4h0w
TP, great update.  In spite of early mistakes, I have a lot of hope for this kid. He’s got a great support team around him and just needs to embrace his opportunity.
Title: Re: Where is Robert Williams
Post by: hwangjini_1 on July 26, 2018, 07:12:38 PM
who is Robert Williams?
you probably know him by his nickname - sleepy.
Title: Re: Where is Robert Williams
Post by: rocknrollforyoursoul on July 26, 2018, 07:25:56 PM
who is Robert Williams?

I’ll do you one better - why is Robert Williams?! 😂

https://youtu.be/0X82MbhuCgg (for context)

TP for the Drax reference!
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on July 26, 2018, 07:54:20 PM
Think it may be a while before Boo Butt finds himself...
Title: Re: Where is Robert Williams
Post by: Ogaju on July 26, 2018, 08:59:22 PM
who is Robert Williams?

I’ll do you one better - why is Robert Williams?! 😂

https://youtu.be/0X82MbhuCgg (for context)

I see your 'why is Robert Williams', and I raise you 'How is Robert Williams?'
Title: Re: Where is Robert Williams
Post by: rollie mass on July 27, 2018, 04:03:44 AM
No one here would have any idea man. Last we heard he should be back in Boston by now and working with the personal coach the Celtics have assigned him. Why don't you head down to the Auerbach and see for yourself?
It's a long way from England-and someone posted a video of him july 24 working with Shamrock foundation and a group of children in response.Nice too see Celtic culture working its magic.
Title: Re: Where is Robert Williams
Post by: RockinRyA on July 27, 2018, 06:02:53 AM
Based upon what we know, probably partying, sleeping in a lot, and randomly losing stuff. Haha.

So he went to a party, was too tired and slept in, and lost his wallet in that [dang] party. Now it makes sense.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: rollie mass on July 27, 2018, 10:36:10 AM
My interest is because this is  Robert's first as a pro with sitting out summer league he got to work out with his private coach on areas that are crucial shooting technique ,foul shots.
Back at Auerbach Center he has weight room,drills and skill drills and diet.The possible improvement before training camp can be huge

Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: JHTruth on July 27, 2018, 10:42:11 AM
My interest is because this is  Robert's first as a pro with sitting out summer league he got to work out with his private coach on areas that are crucial shooting technique ,foul shots.
Back at Auerbach Center he has weight room,drills and skill drills and diet.The possible improvement before training camp can be huge

Yep that's his full-time job, working with his personal coach. Frankly, I think the Celtic brass put out the memo, no more stupid lost wallet stories as the media has been pretty quiet on the RW3 front lately..
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: footey on July 27, 2018, 04:41:25 PM
Robert Williams' future contract:

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24212244/houston-rockets-extend-clint-capela

Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: saltlover on July 27, 2018, 04:44:44 PM
Robert Williams' future contract:

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24212244/houston-rockets-extend-clint-capela

Probably with another team, but hopefully we get the last 3 years of Capela production before then.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Eddie20 on July 27, 2018, 04:44:54 PM
Robert Williams' future contract:

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24212244/houston-rockets-extend-clint-capela

Hopefully. Let's see if his work ethic and maturity matches his physical gifts, but I remain doubtful.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: JHTruth on July 27, 2018, 04:56:44 PM
Robert Williams' future contract:

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24212244/houston-rockets-extend-clint-capela

Probably with another team, but hopefully we get the last 3 years of Capela production before then.

I think he could be better than Capela. Capela never had anywhere near the touch RW3 does.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on July 27, 2018, 05:23:13 PM
Robert Williams' future contract:

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24212244/houston-rockets-extend-clint-capela

Hopefully. Let's see if his work ethic and maturity matches his physical gifts, but I remain doubtful.

TP for the unique and profound insight, Fred. 
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: JHTruth on July 27, 2018, 05:48:17 PM
Robert Williams' future contract:

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24212244/houston-rockets-extend-clint-capela

Probably with another team, but hopefully we get the last 3 years of Capela production before then.

It will really be interesting to see RW3 play with some guards with some general clue about the P&R in an offense that features it. At TA&M and in SL, those guards had not the foggiest idea..
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: saltlover on July 27, 2018, 05:50:02 PM
Robert Williams' future contract:

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24212244/houston-rockets-extend-clint-capela

Probably with another team, but hopefully we get the last 3 years of Capela production before then.

It will really be interesting to see RW3 play with some guards with some general clue about the P&R in an offense that features it. At TA&M and in SL, those guards had not the foggiest idea..

Well, I don’t know that the guards in Portland will serve him much better.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: JHTruth on July 27, 2018, 05:53:19 PM
Robert Williams' future contract:

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24212244/houston-rockets-extend-clint-capela

Probably with another team, but hopefully we get the last 3 years of Capela production before then.

It will really be interesting to see RW3 play with some guards with some general clue about the P&R in an offense that features it. At TA&M and in SL, those guards had not the foggiest idea..

Well, I don’t know that the guards in Portland will serve him much better.

Maybe not. But I don't think he'll spend much time there. They'll want to get him integrated rather quickly I imagine..
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: saltlover on July 27, 2018, 05:58:17 PM
Robert Williams' future contract:

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24212244/houston-rockets-extend-clint-capela

Probably with another team, but hopefully we get the last 3 years of Capela production before then.

It will really be interesting to see RW3 play with some guards with some general clue about the P&R in an offense that features it. At TA&M and in SL, those guards had not the foggiest idea..

Well, I don’t know that the guards in Portland will serve him much better.

Maybe not. But I don't think he'll spend much time there. They'll want to get him integrated rather quickly I imagine..

As the roster currently stands, there are zero minutes for him.  When everyone is healthy, he’s probably not even one of the 13 active players.  I expect he’ll be in Maine for a lot of the season, and called up for when the team has practices.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: JHTruth on July 27, 2018, 06:06:04 PM
Robert Williams' future contract:

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24212244/houston-rockets-extend-clint-capela

Probably with another team, but hopefully we get the last 3 years of Capela production before then.

It will really be interesting to see RW3 play with some guards with some general clue about the P&R in an offense that features it. At TA&M and in SL, those guards had not the foggiest idea..

Well, I don’t know that the guards in Portland will serve him much better.

Maybe not. But I don't think he'll spend much time there. They'll want to get him integrated rather quickly I imagine..

As the roster currently stands, there are zero minutes for him.  When everyone is healthy, he’s probably not even one of the 13 active players.  I expect he’ll be in Maine for a lot of the season, and called up for when the team has practices.

Well he won't get huge mins but I assume as the season progresses he'll be on the active roster and probably grabbing some of Theis's minutes, as surely he's more in our long term plans than the Theis Man Cometh. I wouldn't count him out of mins..

I only say that because I believe Theis will get a nice contract after this year that will simply be too rich for the C's blood...
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: ImShakHeIsShaq on July 27, 2018, 06:28:24 PM
wow, I totally forgot about active and inactive per game. If everyone assumes 1 inactive is Yabu, who is the other player? If it's Williams, that leaves us with 3 available bigs in Al, Theis and Baynes... we will be fine at the 4 because of Hayward and Tatum but that's pretty thin at the big spot. We have a bunch of people ahead of Bird though, maybe he isn't a guarantee for active either.

I guess it really wont matter if everyone is healthy but man, we have a hella deep team! You can just activate Williams in an emergency.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: blink on July 27, 2018, 06:31:47 PM
wow, I totally forgot about active and inactive per game. If everyone assumes 1 inactive is Yabu, who is the other player? If it's Williams, that leaves us with 3 available bigs in Al, Theis and Baynes... we will be fine at the 4 because of Hayward and Tatum but that's pretty thin at the big spot. We have a bunch of people ahead of Bird though, maybe he isn't a guarantee for active either.

I guess it really wont matter if everyone is healthy but man, we have a hella deep team! You can just activate Williams in an emergency.

Wouldn't the other inactive player be J. Bird?
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: nickagneta on July 27, 2018, 07:22:56 PM
Yeah, I think with everyone healthy, Williams and Bird are, in some order, definitely #14 and #15 on the depth chart, so I expect them playing a bunch in Maine.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: ImShakHeIsShaq on July 27, 2018, 09:09:09 PM
wow, I totally forgot about active and inactive per game. If everyone assumes 1 inactive is Yabu, who is the other player? If it's Williams, that leaves us with 3 available bigs in Al, Theis and Baynes... we will be fine at the 4 because of Hayward and Tatum but that's pretty thin at the big spot. We have a bunch of people ahead of Bird though, maybe he isn't a guarantee for active either.

I guess it really wont matter if everyone is healthy but man, we have a hella deep team! You can just activate Williams in an emergency.

Wouldn't the other inactive player be J. Bird?

Yep.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: footey on July 27, 2018, 10:29:47 PM
He will see time in Maine, sure. But I think you guys are selling him short. Strikes me as possessing decent b-ball IQ already.  Plus Danny and Brad spoke of him in terms of being able to contribute early on with his defense and verticality. Plus having him around the big boys like Al, Jaylen and Jason will help keep him on track and focused. I think he’s going to end up getting more minutes this season than everyone else here is predicting, assuming he’s healthy. He will get more minutes than Yabu did last season. I suspect his minutes will be about what Semi got last season.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: saltlover on July 27, 2018, 11:13:29 PM
He will see time in Maine, sure. But I think you guys are selling him short. Strikes me as possessing decent b-ball IQ already.  Plus Danny and Brad spoke of him in terms of being able to contribute early on with his defense and verticality. Plus having him around the big boys like Al, Jaylen and Jason will help keep him on track and focused. I think he’s going to end up getting more minutes this season than everyone else here is predicting, assuming he’s healthy. He will get more minutes than Yabu did last season. I suspect his minutes will be about what Semi got last season.

Here’s the thing: he’s not going to be handed minutes, because Stevens doesn’t do that in general, and certainly not on a team looking to compete for a title.  Even if you’re really bullish on Williams, it’s tough to have him more than 12th in the rotation and 4th on the depth chart for bigs.  Unless we go through the same level of injuries this season (no thank you, one season of that is enough), he’s not going to pile up the 1150 minutes Ojeleye got last year.  I think he’d be lucky to get Yabu’s minutes from last season, and to get more minutes than Yabusele this season.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on July 27, 2018, 11:19:59 PM
He will see time in Maine, sure. But I think you guys are selling him short. Strikes me as possessing decent b-ball IQ already.  Plus Danny and Brad spoke of him in terms of being able to contribute early on with his defense and verticality. Plus having him around the big boys like Al, Jaylen and Jason will help keep him on track and focused. I think he’s going to end up getting more minutes this season than everyone else here is predicting, assuming he’s healthy. He will get more minutes than Yabu did last season. I suspect his minutes will be about what Semi got last season.

Here’s the thing: he’s not going to be handed minutes, because Stevens doesn’t do that in general, and certainly not on a team looking to compete for a title.  Even if you’re really bullish on Williams, it’s tough to have him more than 12th in the rotation and 4th on the depth chart for bigs.  Unless we go through the same level of injuries this season (no thank you, one season of that is enough), he’s not going to pile up the 1150 minutes Ojeleye got last year.  I think he’d be lucky to get Yabu’s minutes from last season, and to get more minutes than Yabusele this season.

In practice, who do we think is going to win the Yabu-Williams matchup? Cuz that will likely determine who is on the active roster.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: JHTruth on July 28, 2018, 12:20:05 AM
He will see time in Maine, sure. But I think you guys are selling him short. Strikes me as possessing decent b-ball IQ already.  Plus Danny and Brad spoke of him in terms of being able to contribute early on with his defense and verticality. Plus having him around the big boys like Al, Jaylen and Jason will help keep him on track and focused. I think he’s going to end up getting more minutes this season than everyone else here is predicting, assuming he’s healthy. He will get more minutes than Yabu did last season. I suspect his minutes will be about what Semi got last season.

Here’s the thing: he’s not going to be handed minutes, because Stevens doesn’t do that in general, and certainly not on a team looking to compete for a title.  Even if you’re really bullish on Williams, it’s tough to have him more than 12th in the rotation and 4th on the depth chart for bigs.  Unless we go through the same level of injuries this season (no thank you, one season of that is enough), he’s not going to pile up the 1150 minutes Ojeleye got last year.  I think he’d be lucky to get Yabu’s minutes from last season, and to get more minutes than Yabusele this season.

In practice, who do we think is going to win the Yabu-Williams matchup? Cuz that will likely determine who is on the active roster.

Williams frankly. Yabu simply has no role. He's basically a really fat wing. Williams has a natural position. But Yabu has seniority so..what they'll send Yabu back to Maine?
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: CelticsFanFromNYC on July 28, 2018, 01:09:28 AM
Even With the amount of bursting talent and  progression on our team ,(Tatum Brown Rozier) injuries help produce or display those developments. Even if Williams is worthy, i doubt he get many responsibilities unless absolutely necessary. Some players will benefit from the slower mold than other so it isn't necessarily a bad thing. Out of respect, Yabu prob got half a season to establish some rhytym or his garbage minutes are up again
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: konkmv on July 28, 2018, 01:13:16 AM
At some point if you do not see anything from yabu trade him for a veteran.. keep Williams for a while to watch his progression
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Ogaju on July 28, 2018, 01:52:02 AM
who was the last 27th pick to generate 60 pages of posts before playing a game in the regular NBA season.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: blink on July 28, 2018, 02:01:03 AM
wow, I totally forgot about active and inactive per game. If everyone assumes 1 inactive is Yabu, who is the other player? If it's Williams, that leaves us with 3 available bigs in Al, Theis and Baynes... we will be fine at the 4 because of Hayward and Tatum but that's pretty thin at the big spot. We have a bunch of people ahead of Bird though, maybe he isn't a guarantee for active either.

I guess it really wont matter if everyone is healthy but man, we have a hella deep team! You can just activate Williams in an emergency.

Wouldn't the other inactive player be J. Bird?

Yep.

Sorry Shak I completely glossed over that line in your post.  Give me an F for reading comprehension.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: blink on July 28, 2018, 02:06:12 AM
He will see time in Maine, sure. But I think you guys are selling him short. Strikes me as possessing decent b-ball IQ already.  Plus Danny and Brad spoke of him in terms of being able to contribute early on with his defense and verticality. Plus having him around the big boys like Al, Jaylen and Jason will help keep him on track and focused. I think he’s going to end up getting more minutes this season than everyone else here is predicting, assuming he’s healthy. He will get more minutes than Yabu did last season. I suspect his minutes will be about what Semi got last season.

Here’s the thing: he’s not going to be handed minutes, because Stevens doesn’t do that in general, and certainly not on a team looking to compete for a title.  Even if you’re really bullish on Williams, it’s tough to have him more than 12th in the rotation and 4th on the depth chart for bigs.  Unless we go through the same level of injuries this season (no thank you, one season of that is enough), he’s not going to pile up the 1150 minutes Ojeleye got last year.  I think he’d be lucky to get Yabu’s minutes from last season, and to get more minutes than Yabusele this season.

In practice, who do we think is going to win the Yabu-Williams matchup? Cuz that will likely determine who is on the active roster.

I have no idea.  Yabu has more experience, but to me, he hasn't shown very much other than being occasionally fun to watch.  It just feels like Yabu didn't improve enough last year when we had all the injuries to give him a leg up on more playing time this year. 

I am hoping that Williams will show Brad something to make him want to spoon feed him minutes.  But who does he take minutes from?  Not Al, not Baynes.  Theis?  Theis imo more than earned his minutes from his play last year.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: rollie mass on July 28, 2018, 04:47:30 AM
I think there will be a smorgasbord approach from limited time with Red Claws, some  spoon fed minutes and DNP's.
Our bench will out distance opponents .Williams potential on defense and the need to groom an eventual replacement for Al the ALL STAR make Robert a priority project.
Time management with Horford will be important this year in keeping him healthy and sharp.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Emmette Bryant on July 28, 2018, 10:19:05 AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/P3sportscience/status/1009124980523597825/video/1
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: footey on July 28, 2018, 01:12:44 PM
Stevens:

"If you have 4 shooters on the floor, you can just throw the ball up to him."

Psyched.

Also am hoping that in a year or two, he will be our kryptonite for defending Kevin Durant and Kawhi Leonard. 

They go long, you go longer.

Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Sophomore on July 28, 2018, 02:11:09 PM
Here's another dose of optimism - an article that argues Rob Will looks a *lot* like Clint Capela at the same age - physically and in terms of movement and production.  Capela was a little better as a rebounder and finisher, Williams a bit better at blocks and maybe more explosive.  They see signs of pretty good court vision and passing, though it's hard to be sure given the offense he was in. But the 20-year old version of each player is pretty close.

Now, Capela developed strongly from that start and is close to realizing his ceiling, and there's no guarantee that Williams will do the same. But as a bet on the Celtics coaches and culture, this is low risk (27th pick), potential high reward (Capela or near Capela).

https://www.thestepien.com/2018/06/20/robert-williams-clint-capela-valuing-big-men/

All Williams needs to do is become a solid defender and roll man by his second or third year - something he clearly has the physical potential to do - and he'll fit in very, very nicely with this group.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: JHTruth on July 28, 2018, 07:09:54 PM
Stevens:

"If you have 4 shooters on the floor, you can just throw the ball up to him."

Psyched.

Also am hoping that in a year or two, he will be our kryptonite for defending Kevin Durant and Kawhi Leonard. 

They go long, you go longer.

He will be the key to brads switching scheme. Insane agility and quickness
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: SCeltic34 on July 28, 2018, 07:32:05 PM
The biggest question mark I have - and this is true of all bigs - is the consistency of his effort.  I have not watched him play besides Youtube highlights, so to those of you who have, how much does being involved in the offense influence his effort level?  Worst case scenario, is he like Dwight Howard, who gives poor effort on defense and in setting picks when he goes for long stretches without the ball on offense?

I'm hoping very early on that he understands what his role will be and that he accepts it.  Anchor the defense, run the floor, set solid screens, roll hard to the basket - in other words, commit to all the non-glorious parts of the game and do these tasks well regardless if he hasn't touched the ball on offense (aside from dribble handoffs) for long stretches.

I don't expect much from him in his rookie year but I still think he can help us.  I'm looking forward to the Smart & Williams pick and roll.  Smart is a solid lob passer.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: JHTruth on July 28, 2018, 09:04:15 PM
The biggest question mark I have - and this is true of all bigs - is the consistency of his effort.  I have not watched him play besides Youtube highlights, so to those of you who have, how much does being involved in the offense influence his effort level?  Worst case scenario, is he like Dwight Howard, who gives poor effort on defense and in setting picks when he goes for long stretches without the ball on offense?

I'm hoping very early on that he understands what his role will be and that he accepts it.  Anchor the defense, run the floor, set solid screens, roll hard to the basket - in other words, commit to all the non-glorious parts of the game and do these tasks well regardless if he hasn't touched the ball on offense (aside from dribble handoffs) for long stretches.

I don't expect much from him in his rookie year but I still think he can help us.  I'm looking forward to the Smart & Williams pick and roll.  Smart is a solid lob passer.

Defense is his calling card. I think his motor will work out he needs structure and a winning environment. Capela had all the same questions coming in, well see how it pans out
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: rollie mass on July 29, 2018, 01:13:28 AM
Here's another dose of optimism - an article that argues Rob Will looks a *lot* like Clint Capela at the same age - physically and in terms of movement and production.  Capela was a little better as a rebounder and finisher, Williams a bit better at blocks and maybe more explosive.  They see signs of pretty good court vision and passing, though it's hard to be sure given the offense he was in. But the 20-year old version of each player is pretty close.

Now, Capela developed strongly from that start and is close to realizing his ceiling, and there's no guarantee that Williams will do the same. But as a bet on the Celtics coaches and culture, this is low risk (27th pick), potential high reward (Capela or near Capela).

https://www.thestepien.com/2018/06/20/robert-williams-clint-capela-valuing-big-men/

All Williams needs to do is become a solid defender and roll man by his second or third year - something he clearly has the physical potential to do - and he'll fit in very, very nicely with this group.

The article featured from this post was one of the best breakdowns i have read in a long time-i gave it a TP yesterday and another TP this morning-thanks Sophomore
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Big333223 on July 29, 2018, 05:08:34 PM
If we're going to compare him to Capela, let's at least keep in mind that Capela wasn't a starter until his 3rd season and wasn't a full time starter until his 4th and he didn't have the players in front of him that Williams does. So let's give him the time he'll likely need if he's going to become even a rotation player.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: saltlover on July 29, 2018, 05:35:01 PM
If we're going to compare him to Capela, let's at least keep in mind that Capela wasn't a starter until his 3rd season and wasn't a full time starter until his 4th and he didn't have the players in front of him that Williams does. So let's give him the time he'll likely need if he's going to become even a rotation player.

Yes, this is what I’ve been trying to say.  Capela played all of 90 minutes on a team that gave 1150 minutes combined to Joey Dorsey and Tarik Black.  Williams would have to come out looking A LOT better than Capela as a rookie to get any kind of real playing time.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Sophomore on July 29, 2018, 07:17:45 PM
If we're going to compare him to Capela, let's at least keep in mind that Capela wasn't a starter until his 3rd season and wasn't a full time starter until his 4th and he didn't have the players in front of him that Williams does. So let's give him the time he'll likely need if he's going to become even a rotation player.

Yes, this is what I’ve been trying to say.  Capela played all of 90 minutes on a team that gave 1150 minutes combined to Joey Dorsey and Tarik Black.  Williams would have to come out looking A LOT better than Capela as a rookie to get any kind of real playing time.

Yes; and the good news is that barring injuries (knocks wood) it should be a while before he’s expected to play significant minutes. It will be interesting to see how they try to develop him if he’s not making it onto the floor. I expect there will be a *lot* of drills for a while.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: trickybilly on July 29, 2018, 11:59:29 PM
Stevens:

"If you have 4 shooters on the floor, you can just throw the ball up to him."

Psyched.

Also am hoping that in a year or two, he will be our kryptonite for defending Kevin Durant and Kawhi Leonard. 

They go long, you go longer.

He will be the key to brads switching scheme. Insane agility and quickness

He will be the key to precisely zero schemes... this year anyway.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: JHTruth on July 30, 2018, 01:36:16 AM
Stevens:

"If you have 4 shooters on the floor, you can just throw the ball up to him."

Psyched.

Also am hoping that in a year or two, he will be our kryptonite for defending Kevin Durant and Kawhi Leonard. 

They go long, you go longer.

He will be the key to brads switching scheme. Insane agility and quickness

He will be the key to precisely zero schemes... this year anyway.

Geez bro you logged in just to post this? Lol. Everyone agrees he's going to be a Horford understudy for a couple year a..
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: footey on July 30, 2018, 12:26:24 PM
This attached article in The Ringer was written about RW3 well before the draft, and lauds how he would do best on a team with a lot of perimeter shooters, a team like Boston, right?

Also, watching video of Cappella, who is the perfect template for Williams to follow, it will be fun to see if any of our point guards will set him up the way Harden does. Harden uses Cappella whenever he needs to bail out of a difficult play, often just tossing the ball up above the rim, and saying, "hey, you fetch this, big guy."  I swear sometimes I don't think he even knows where Cappella is when he does that!

https://www.theringer.com/2018/3/22/17149150/robert-williams-texas-am-sweet-16

Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: liam on August 12, 2018, 01:06:34 PM
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/robert-williams-buys-apartment-next-144905226.html
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: A Future of Stevens on August 12, 2018, 02:13:03 PM
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/robert-williams-buys-apartment-next-144905226.html

Just saw this and jumped on here to post it. Now if he is late, there is LITERALLY no good excuse to be late.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: tazzmaniac on August 12, 2018, 02:30:44 PM
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/robert-williams-buys-apartment-next-144905226.html

Just saw this and jumped on here to post it. Now if he is late, there is LITERALLY no good excuse to be late.
Don't care much about the lateness.  The big deal is that it is easy for him to go to the facility to work out at any time.  Horford shows up at 6am.  Get over here rook let's work out.  Baynes shows up at 6pm.  Get over here rook let's work out.  With the amenities in the facility, Williams should essentially be living there.   
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: tazzmaniac on August 12, 2018, 02:32:42 PM
Robert Williams on working out with vets like Horford, Baynes: “I learned you got to be a sponge when you’re around those guys. Their work ethic — you’ve got guys in the offseason 6 in the morning coming in to get treatment and work out. They’re not obligated to do that."

https://twitter.com/ESPNForsberg/status/1028661612176125952 
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Big333223 on August 12, 2018, 02:42:13 PM
Robert Williams on working out with vets like Horford, Baynes: “I learned you got to be a sponge when you’re around those guys. Their work ethic — you’ve got guys in the offseason 6 in the morning coming in to get treatment and work out. They’re not obligated to do that."

https://twitter.com/ESPNForsberg/status/1028661612176125952

He's got a team full of role models. If he screws up, it'll be on him.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: KG Living Legend on August 12, 2018, 06:38:56 PM

 He's instantly the second most  talented big on the roster. With the body and athleticism of about 10 people in the World. It's completely on him if he's gonna earn those minutes. God knows he should get minutes. By all accounts he loves basketball. If that's true we should be in for a treat.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Sophomore on August 12, 2018, 07:01:04 PM
Good for him! Looking forward to his first alley-oop slam at TD north.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: hwangjini_1 on August 12, 2018, 09:41:25 PM
I hope this is a good sign for williams. maybe his earlier mistakes helped him mature as a person.

while he will be a fighting crustecean for much of the season, hopefully by the time the playoffs roll around he will be able to contribute to the team's run.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: GreenWarrior on August 12, 2018, 11:33:15 PM
still believe anyone putting stock into this guy contributing in any way are setting themselves up for disappointment.

I think if we get anything from this guy this season it's a bonus, but going into this season with expectations is a mistake.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on August 12, 2018, 11:36:31 PM
Good to hear for Robert. Really pulling for him.

I'm envisioning a "Torture Lineup" of him and Big Al up front, and Jaylen and Smart as our guards.

That is length, grit, toughness, athleticism, and intelligence placed on the floor to make things extremely difficult for our opponents.

Robert will be FINE. Keep working young fella and soak up that knowledge from Big Al, Baynes and even Theis.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: rollie mass on August 13, 2018, 03:01:31 AM
The drafting of a young big with his athletic ability and coordination who was under coached and
 was surrounded with players that were not focused on NBA.That and playing out of position did not put Robert in a situation to shine.
Robert is still rehabbing his knee.
In his first four minutes of summer league, he hit a mid range jumper after a nice fake and he looked fluid and natural.I believe or want to believe he can be taught and drilled into a offensive player not just a rim runner.
He loves defense, as he should but it may be an area that come naturally to him and he has neglected the offensive side that can be coached and drilled with repetition and proper technique.
Embid in those two years injured did nothing but shoot.
We have been spoiled by Brown,Tatum,Semi,Marcus and Rozier. A 20 year old from a small town is bound to have maturity issues from lack of experience and wrong choi
Switching gears from small town and college campus life without support -well we saw the results.
Robert is now in a place of young outstanding talent and young skilled vets in their prime and then we have Horford/Baynes,Thies and Mook what better teachers could you want.
Horford led the centers in three point shooting and Baynes is just starting.
Horfords passing and ability to handle the ball and Baynes will show him what real strength is.

There is no pressure of being a high draft pick the coaches and Brad will choose the best path
as us fans will want it to be immediate.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Vermont Green on August 13, 2018, 08:38:35 AM
still believe anyone putting stock into this guy contributing in any way are setting themselves up for disappointment.

I think if we get anything from this guy this season it's a bonus, but going into this season with expectations is a mistake.

That is the beauty of it.  The Celtics can bring him along slowly in a good environment.  I don't see any downside.  You don't get much out of the vast majority of rookies (Tatum notwithstanding) in their first season (Rozier for example).  Williams is no different.

What little I have seen of him on video and summer league, I agree with Rollie that I see all the tools you hope to see in a young defensive-minded big.  None of us have seen enough to be able to conclude much more than that.  I will say that even with the limited amount I have seen, I am 100% confident that he is NOT another Fab Melo.  Robert "Little Chief" Williams has the athleticism and coordination to keep up with the game.

So great, play most of the season in Maine.  Learn the game.  Grow up, and we will see what you got when the time comes.  27th pick don't forget.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: TomHeinsohn on August 13, 2018, 08:47:23 AM
Very encouraging. Wish they would've showed the apartment, hope the doorways are high
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Surferdad on August 13, 2018, 09:12:08 AM
still believe anyone putting stock into this guy contributing in any way are setting themselves up for disappointment.

I think if we get anything from this guy this season it's a bonus, but going into this season with expectations is a mistake.

That is the beauty of it.  The Celtics can bring him along slowly in a good environment.  I don't see any downside.  You don't get much out of the vast majority of rookies (Tatum notwithstanding) in their first season (Rozier for example).  Williams is no different.

What little I have seen of him on video and summer league, I agree with Rollie that I see all the tools you hope to see in a young defensive-minded big.  None of us have seen enough to be able to conclude much more than that.  I will say that even with the limited amount I have seen, I am 100% confident that he is NOT another Fab Melo.  Robert "Little Chief" Williams has the athleticism and coordination to keep up with the game.

So great, play most of the season in Maine.  Learn the game.  Grow up, and we will see what you got when the time comes.  27th pick don't forget.
All good thoughts, I agree.  You mentioned Chief.  It would be great use Parish as a big man coach for him.  wiki says:
Quote
Parish remains active as the Celtics' team consultant and mentor for current Celtics big men
Wonder if this is still true.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: JHTruth on August 13, 2018, 11:07:32 AM
still believe anyone putting stock into this guy contributing in any way are setting themselves up for disappointment.

I think if we get anything from this guy this season it's a bonus, but going into this season with expectations is a mistake.

No one should be expecting anything out of any rookie for a contending team honestly. We got lucky and drafted a once-in-a-generation type rookie like Tatum and a stud in Brown, but anyone else should be expected to follow the general development path, probably not ready for major minutes until like late year 2-3. Remember Brown wasn't even that good his rookie year and is still patching up holes in his game.

The beauty of RW3's situation is there no pressure on him at all, so he can simply relax and focus on getting better in a positive, winning environment. Couldn't ask for a better situation..

Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Sophomore on August 13, 2018, 11:18:31 AM
still believe anyone putting stock into this guy contributing in any way are setting themselves up for disappointment.

I think if we get anything from this guy this season it's a bonus, but going into this season with expectations is a mistake.

No one should be expecting anything out of any rookie for a contending team honestly. We got lucky and drafted a once-in-a-generation type rookie like Tatum and a stud in Brown, but anyone else should be expected to follow the general development path, probably not ready for major minutes until like late year 2-3. Remember Brown wasn't even that good his rookie year and is still patching up holes in his game.

The beauty of RW3's situation is there no pressure on him at all, so he can simply relax and focus on getting better in a positive, winning environment. Couldn't ask for a better situation..

Yeah. I don't see many people getting their hopes up too high. Which is the right thing. I think it's possible that his defense is good enough to let him see the floor in a mopup situation or as an injury replacement, but if he doesn't I'm not at all disappointed or giving up on him. We actually have pretty capable backups right now. The bigger decision comes at the start of next year, when Theis' contract is up. After a year of watching R Will the Cs should have a read on whether he's looks like a capable replacement or if they have to start looking elsewhere.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: smokeablount on August 13, 2018, 12:24:29 PM
still believe anyone putting stock into this guy contributing in any way are setting themselves up for disappointment.

I think if we get anything from this guy this season it's a bonus, but going into this season with expectations is a mistake.

No one should be expecting anything out of any rookie for a contending team honestly. We got lucky and drafted a once-in-a-generation type rookie like Tatum and a stud in Brown, but anyone else should be expected to follow the general development path, probably not ready for major minutes until like late year 2-3. Remember Brown wasn't even that good his rookie year and is still patching up holes in his game.

The beauty of RW3's situation is there no pressure on him at all, so he can simply relax and focus on getting better in a positive, winning environment. Couldn't ask for a better situation..

Yeah. I don't see many people getting their hopes up too high. Which is the right thing. I think it's possible that his defense is good enough to let him see the floor in a mopup situation or as an injury replacement, but if he doesn't I'm not at all disappointed or giving up on him. We actually have pretty capable backups right now. The bigger decision comes at the start of next year, when Theis' contract is up. After a year of watching R Will the Cs should have a read on whether he's looks like a capable replacement or if they have to start looking elsewhere.

RW3 for DPOY 2019!
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Sophomore on August 13, 2018, 12:49:13 PM
still believe anyone putting stock into this guy contributing in any way are setting themselves up for disappointment.

I think if we get anything from this guy this season it's a bonus, but going into this season with expectations is a mistake.

No one should be expecting anything out of any rookie for a contending team honestly. We got lucky and drafted a once-in-a-generation type rookie like Tatum and a stud in Brown, but anyone else should be expected to follow the general development path, probably not ready for major minutes until like late year 2-3. Remember Brown wasn't even that good his rookie year and is still patching up holes in his game.

The beauty of RW3's situation is there no pressure on him at all, so he can simply relax and focus on getting better in a positive, winning environment. Couldn't ask for a better situation..

Yeah. I don't see many people getting their hopes up too high. Which is the right thing. I think it's possible that his defense is good enough to let him see the floor in a mopup situation or as an injury replacement, but if he doesn't I'm not at all disappointed or giving up on him. We actually have pretty capable backups right now. The bigger decision comes at the start of next year, when Theis' contract is up. After a year of watching R Will the Cs should have a read on whether he's looks like a capable replacement or if they have to start looking elsewhere.

RW3 for DPOY 2019!

What? Not MVP??? Why so sour on R Will?
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Surferdad on August 13, 2018, 01:11:34 PM
still believe anyone putting stock into this guy contributing in any way are setting themselves up for disappointment.

I think if we get anything from this guy this season it's a bonus, but going into this season with expectations is a mistake.

No one should be expecting anything out of any rookie for a contending team honestly. We got lucky and drafted a once-in-a-generation type rookie like Tatum and a stud in Brown, but anyone else should be expected to follow the general development path, probably not ready for major minutes until like late year 2-3. Remember Brown wasn't even that good his rookie year and is still patching up holes in his game.

The beauty of RW3's situation is there no pressure on him at all, so he can simply relax and focus on getting better in a positive, winning environment. Couldn't ask for a better situation..

Yeah. I don't see many people getting their hopes up too high. Which is the right thing. I think it's possible that his defense is good enough to let him see the floor in a mopup situation or as an injury replacement, but if he doesn't I'm not at all disappointed or giving up on him. We actually have pretty capable backups right now. The bigger decision comes at the start of next year, when Theis' contract is up. After a year of watching R Will the Cs should have a read on whether he's looks like a capable replacement or if they have to start looking elsewhere.
No argument from me.  The only caveat is if the injury bug hits the front court.  In that case, I still wouldn't expect R-Will to be the answer.  I could easily see the C's go looking for a front court vet off the scrap heap, especially for an extended injury.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: rollie mass on August 14, 2018, 07:40:50 AM
The rehab of Roberts knee has certainly stretched on and that is not necessarily a bad thing..It is the time he spends listening to our bigs so he is not lost defensively.Strengthening his body another key aspect.
Could this injury been a blessing, as he wasn't dunking up to the elbows or blocking shot at the box with all the WOW buzz.
I really hope outside his athleticism that he is a savant of sorts ,a natural at picking up team defense.With his reach and lateral and love of defense one can hope.

This is the fun part, player development. Last year, Jason picked up defense so quickly while Semi looked lost with everybody whizzing around.
Robert is one of the top athletes in the world and measured at P3 a 12.5ft vertical reach and a 12 ft reach from standing jump , that was just below Dwight Howards record by one inch.His running and lateral tested off the charts and shows why he can guard one thru five.

Marcus played as a rookie,Brown picked up defense quickly as a rookie but it starts with desire, then technique and timing with your teammates.Film work to know your opponents spots and moves-to me defense is an art.Move ,countermove ,channeling, switching ,boxing out and playing positionally for rebounds or to help weak side .Defense is no accident.
Back to my point this injury may have aided his early progression as to listening and learning
before he gets on the court in training camp.
He is the big unknown so that is fun
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: CF033 on August 14, 2018, 11:10:15 AM
I really have no expectations at this point.

But, knowing his athletic and defensive ability I won't be shocked if Brad Stevens is using him in stretches to defend against the likes of Giannis and Embiid come playoff time. I'm not expecting it, I just won't be shocked :).
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: CelticsElite on August 15, 2018, 02:29:58 AM
Robert Williams said he just got a place right next to the Celtics new practice facility. “Two-minute walk, said Williams who laughed and added, “Can’t be late!”


Robert Williams said the injured knee that kept him out of most of summer league is “feeling way way better.” He’s been in Boston rehabbing and expects to be full go before training camp arrives.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ESPNForsberg/status/1028661174655754246

New rookie photo shoot pics

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DkgcIbVX4AMo--y?format=jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DkgcL2XX4AIJfib?format=jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DkgcR0kW0AMBX5z?format=jpg)
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: nickagneta on August 15, 2018, 11:11:37 AM
I know it may take 2-3 years but I have a good feeling about Williams. I love his measureables and athleticism and think the organization will develop him right. In year 4, I think people will be looking at the Cs getting Williams at 27 as a complete steal and will envy them the way people envy GS over Draymond or Houston over Capella or Denver over Gobert.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: JHTruth on August 15, 2018, 11:34:32 AM
I know it may take 2-3 years but I have a good feeling about Williams. I love his measureables and athleticism and think the organization will develop him right. In year 4, I think people will be looking at the Cs getting Williams at 27 as a complete steal and will envy them the way people envy GS over Draymond or Houston over Capella or Denver over Gobert.

I agree. At 27 to get this type of prospect will look like another Ainge heist in a couple years. If nothing else the kid has superhuman physical traits that will make him tough to get past inside. For reference he's a little longer than Giannis with another 4" in max vertical. He can nearly touch the top of the backboard.
 
Develop some touch on offense and further develop his passing and vision and he could be a real stud..
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: footey on August 16, 2018, 02:02:41 PM
Great article in Globe about how William's HS coach was scout for ATL Hawks, got Horford drafted. And often told Williams stories about Horford's approach to the game, and to emulate him.

Also said fans are gonna love this kid.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/celtics/2018/08/16/for-celtics-rookie-robert-williams-horford-has-had-silent-impact-for-years/UOqpH4ZmBwq3ySjNwhG28K/story.html

Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Big333223 on August 16, 2018, 04:36:47 PM
Great article in Globe about how William's HS coach was scout for ATL Hawks, got Horford drafted. And often told Williams stories about Horford's approach to the game, and to emulate him.

Also said fans are gonna love this kid.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/celtics/2018/08/16/for-celtics-rookie-robert-williams-horford-has-had-silent-impact-for-years/UOqpH4ZmBwq3ySjNwhG28K/story.html

He was a big defender in college and I've heard him say he likes to play defense. Given his physical abilities, if that's true, then I anticipate liking him a lot. But we'll see just how much he likes defense in the NBA.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: hwangjini_1 on August 16, 2018, 05:29:02 PM
well, williams is wearing #44, so as long as williams is as fiesty as ainge, i will be very pleased.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxMh7FSGM14

 ;D
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: gouki88 on August 16, 2018, 09:10:00 PM
well, williams is wearing #44, so as long as williams is as fiesty as ainge, i will be very pleased.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxMh7FSGM14

 ;D
If a kid as big and strong as Williams is as feisty as Ainge... watch out league (especially Draymond ;) )
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: BitterJim on August 17, 2018, 05:40:09 AM
I know it may take 2-3 years but I have a good feeling about Williams. I love his measureables and athleticism and think the organization will develop him right. In year 4, I think people will be looking at the Cs getting Williams at 27 as a complete steal and will envy them the way people envy GS over Draymond or Houston over Capella or Denver over Gobert.

I'm not sure if you meant "Utah over Gobert" or "Denver over Jokic", so I'm just mentally inserting both there
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: rollie mass on August 17, 2018, 04:35:18 PM
Very Twlight Zone-what are the chances of a NBA scout that pushed the Hawks to Horford would wind up at Caddo High coaching Williams
Williams would fall to 27 and get Horford as a mentor
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Emmette Bryant on August 18, 2018, 08:50:14 PM
Robert Williams III and Jabari Bird worked out this morning in Boston.

https://twitter.com/chrisgrenham/status/1030821439300091904

https://imgur.com/za2qAPe
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: csfansince60s on August 18, 2018, 10:51:39 PM
Robert Williams III and Jabari Bird worked out this morning in Boston.

https://twitter.com/chrisgrenham/status/1030821439300091904

https://imgur.com/za2qAPe

TP for basketball talk, especially regarding two of the Cs I’m rooting hardest for this year to prove all the naysayers wrong.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: blink on August 18, 2018, 11:11:57 PM
Robert Williams said he just got a place right next to the Celtics new practice facility. “Two-minute walk, said Williams who laughed and added, “Can’t be late!”


Robert Williams said the injured knee that kept him out of most of summer league is “feeling way way better.” He’s been in Boston rehabbing and expects to be full go before training camp arrives.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ESPNForsberg/status/1028661174655754246

New rookie photo shoot pics

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DkgcIbVX4AMo--y?format=jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DkgcL2XX4AIJfib?format=jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DkgcR0kW0AMBX5z?format=jpg)

thanks for posting those photos.  very cool.  Hopefully he is as good as his photos...lol
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: rollie mass on September 02, 2018, 08:49:42 AM
What happened to sports writers covering Robert Williams-Has anyone watched him working out at Auerbach Center
The press blew up his early season follies but report nothing on any strides being made.
 IF ANY!
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: nickagneta on September 02, 2018, 09:16:01 AM
How much development are you expecting in a month, rollie, where he probably hasn't played any 5 v 5, full speed, NBA quality games(scrimmages) to implement anything he has learned new?
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Neurotic Guy on September 02, 2018, 09:23:56 AM
Maybe the “strides” are just about getting up early, getting to the gym, putting in the work.  Right now, I think the biggest concern, reinforced by the missed meetings/flight, is his maturity and work ethic.  If reporting loudly about his foibles it would be nice if there were a report about him showing sustained dedication— if that has been the case.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: rollie mass on September 02, 2018, 10:28:12 AM
How much development are you expecting in a month, rollie, where he probably hasn't played any 5 v 5, full speed, NBA quality games(scrimmages) to implement anything he has learned new?

With young guys a lot can happen over a summer-look at the work Jason has put into getting stronger.Building a routine in weight room or,working on his foul shots.Watching film ,talking defense.Remember Williams and his shock at Bayne's strength.Remember Jaylen talk about man strength.
That was the point of post  nobody has given an update on his status.
.It's like a curtain descended after all that early tomfoolery.That was just a dazed kid out of his element.
THIS JUST HAPPENED TOO ME
I booked a family vacation to Spain in April, i have a valid USA passport,booked and paid for rent a car(speedy service),packed only carry on luggage .Had flown this airlines and route over 16 times to my timeshare.
I have to show two passports because coming back to England. One current and one that is older with a large stamp "enter to leave as a UK resident",  well at last minute i caught my wife not including the right 2nd old passport with stamp but a later one.
No check in for us with downloaded boarding passes, we fly through security.We go to board and i get a second check of my passport and get told in no uncertain terms that i couldn't board this flight without a passport with less than three months validity as Spain would turn me back I had two.
 I had flown 16 times to Majorca on the same carrier ,same month and how was i to know,-no notification filling out forms,no red line highlight of time validity.There was no recourse and no time to go to London to US Embassy and get a limited validity extension passport.
So at great expense, this world traveler with a valid passport till October 19 2018 got bounced from his flight as the airlines hid behind it was up to me to know-i stayed home the family flew down later at more expense.AND I GOT ROBERT WILLIAMS'd--





Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Sophomore on September 02, 2018, 11:02:19 AM
What happened to sports writers covering Robert Williams-Has anyone watched him working out at Auerbach Center
The press blew up his early season follies but report nothing on any strides being made.
 IF ANY!

I think the quiet is good news, and probably good for him. Let him get his first exposure to quality NBA coaching, soak up the lessons and drills in the gym. Have some peace and quiet while the city focuses on the Sox, get his feet under him. When the gains from hard work show up on the parquet it will be time to write the stories.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: nickagneta on September 02, 2018, 11:16:30 AM
How much development are you expecting in a month, rollie, where he probably hasn't played any 5 v 5, full speed, NBA quality games(scrimmages) to implement anything he has learned new?

With young guys a lot can happen over a summer-look at the work Jason has put into getting stronger.Building a routine in weight room or,working on his foul shots.Watching film ,talking defense.Remember Williams and his shock at Bayne's strength.Remember Jaylen talk about man strength.
That was the point of post  nobody has given an update on his status.
.It's like a curtain descended after all that early tomfoolery.That was just a dazed kid out of his element.
THIS JUST HAPPENED TOO ME
I booked a family vacation to Spain in April, i have a valid USA passport,booked and paid for rent a car(speedy service),packed only carry on luggage .Had flown this airlines and route over 16 times to my timeshare.
I have to show two passports because coming back to England. One current and one that is older with a large stamp "enter to leave as a UK resident",  well at last minute i caught my wife not including the right 2nd old passport with stamp but a later one.
No check in for us with downloaded boarding passes, we fly through security.We go to board and i get a second check of my passport and get told in no uncertain terms that i couldn't board this flight without a passport with less than three months validity as Spain would turn me back I had two.
 I had flown 16 times to Majorca on the same carrier ,same month and how was i to know,-no notification filling out forms,no red line highlight of time validity.There was no recourse and no time to go to London to US Embassy and get a limited validity extension passport.
So at great expense, this world traveler with a valid passport till October 19 2018 got bounced from his flight as the airlines hid behind it was up to me to know-i stayed home the family flew down later at more expense.AND I GOT ROBERT WILLIAMS'd--
You know what I took out of this rollie? It sounds like you are a lot healthier than last I heard. And that makes me happy😄
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: rollie mass on September 02, 2018, 01:15:34 PM
Yeah a miracle of modern medicine see the Docs tomorrow morning The thought of.watching half naked brown Spanish girls on the beach works wonders considered not going a reprieve from heat and bickering older kids .
.Having more good days than bad and upping the exercise.
Thanks
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: KG Living Legend on September 02, 2018, 05:19:27 PM
Yeah a miracle of modern medicine see the Docs tomorrow morning The thought of.watching half naked brown Spanish girls on the beach works wonders considered not going a reprieve from heat and bickering older kids .
.Having more good days than bad and upping the exercise.
Thanks




 Glad to hear your doing well Rollie. As far as Williams, have no fear coach Stevens is here. Think about this, the kid is going to be brought along slowly.

 Brad will focus on what he can do immediately and we will be in awe of his jaw dropping pick and roll Lobs and weakside shot blocking in limited minutes.

 Lastly we don't need this kid to Shoot, Pass, Score, or do anything else outside of his skillset. He only needs to do  things he's naturally gifted at.

 Like being huge with a 7'6" wingspan and getting off the ground with cat like quick Ness.
Title: Twilight zone
Post by: rollie mass on September 04, 2018, 05:08:51 AM
What are the chances of a 23 year NBA scout that pushed Atlanta to sign Al Horford is retired and driving back to West Coast. The scout gets told of this really good kid in Louisiana and stops off. He then winds up taking the high school coaching job and mentors Robert who grows up idolizing Al Horford.
The Celts get a steal at number 27 and Robert Williams winds up a Celtic with Al Horford as a mentor.
Al tells him" hard work" and even with all that "Twilght Zone" stuff, in one short week Robert exposes all his scouting report flaws.
There are very few X factors as Danny has drafted young hard work and want to be great players. This season Robert is our only rookie.
The off season is supposed to be a time of getting better ,working the gym and adding facets  to your strengths and to overcome weaknesses.
The only recent reports have been Robert gets apartment next to training facility and"can't be late".
Did the press get "enough is enough" from Danny?Or does good news travel slowly while bad news gallops?
Jaylen had a different ascent than Jason and does Robert if judged by his two years as SEC defensive player of year and his very real transferable athletic skills and length.Is that enough to make Robert the surprise of the season in terms of progress.
This kid loves defense,Celtic fans love defense.I don't believe we want to hear about lost wallets,flying home and missing practice and all the criticism for being 20.
So where is Robert? What is he working on?With whom? How is his knee.?
How quickly can Robert pick up the defensive systems?
Could he be a special defensive player out of the gate or will he be lost in the blizzard of speed,strength and the ability's of NBA players?

Title: Re: Twilight zone
Post by: Hoopvortex on September 04, 2018, 06:17:58 PM
So where is Robert? How is his knee.?

If you mean the contusion he got in Summer League, that's likely completely healed by now. That must have been quite a hit to take him out of all the games. I really liked what I saw of him - nice touch on his jumper and looked like he had a good feel for spacing.

The PAES is in both knees, and there's a lot of uncertainty around that. It could be that it will never be a real problem - or it might end his career.

Could he be a special defensive player out of the gate or will he be lost in the blizzard of speed,strength and the ability's of NBA players?

He's way down the depth chart. But Brad has shown a willingness to give everyone on the roster some NBA court time.
Title: Brads meaning of" really encouraged"
Post by: rollie mass on September 05, 2018, 05:48:53 AM
Brad was quoted as" really encouraged" by Robert Williams work put in this summer.There are those that found this disappointing.But i found it really encouraging in that it wasn't over the top but just played down Brad".Don't pat him on the back too hard he might fall over" comes to mind.
What do fans want, for Brad that was an appropriate response giving just enough praise for doing what NBA players have to do on a normal basis.
Title: Re: Brads meaning of" really encouraged"
Post by: moiso on September 05, 2018, 05:52:32 AM
I guess "really encouraged" is better than simply "encouraged."  It sounds like a pretty good statement to me.  I'll take it.
Title: Re: Brads meaning of" really encouraged"
Post by: rollie mass on September 05, 2018, 06:16:49 AM
Funny -pretty good
TP
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Emmette Bryant on September 05, 2018, 11:37:27 AM
https://twitter.com/byjayking/status/1037104974520442881?s=21
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on September 05, 2018, 11:54:27 AM
https://twitter.com/byjayking/status/1037104974520442881?s=21

What does it say?
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Surferdad on September 05, 2018, 12:04:14 PM
https://twitter.com/byjayking/status/1037104974520442881?s=21

What does it say?
Quote
Brad Stevens said he’s really encouraged by the way Robert Williams has worked this summer. The rookie has been in the Boston area for a while preparing for the season.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: johnnygreen on September 05, 2018, 12:31:31 PM
Robert Williams feels like the forgotten man this offseason. However, I think that may have more to do with the recent success of the team, the embarrassment of riches with the starting 5, and the title contending expectations for this season. Ideally, a team with this much talent, shouldn't need to rely on a rookie. Having said that, I'm still looking forward to seeing Williams play. Hopefully he can progress enough during the season to be able to play a role in the playoffs. Every hustle play, rebound and defensive stop is magnified in the playoffs, and I think Williams could fill some of that.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: playdream on September 05, 2018, 03:03:35 PM
https://twitter.com/byjayking/status/1037104974520442881?s=21

What does it say?
Quote
Brad Stevens said he’s really encouraged by the way Robert Williams has worked this summer. The rookie has been in the Boston area for a while preparing for the season.
Just when i',m wondering how he is doing and re-watching his analysis videos ::)

I'm pretty excited about him , if his knee is fine and he does work hard i'm really hoping he has a role even this year

His traits:
1.has the whole package of dominating athletic and length even for NBA, lack of strength as a big for now, will get pushed around by NBA bigs
2.very good passer with excellent vision and very unselfish,pass accurate and quick reading.
3.excellent rebounder (numbers better than Bagley/Ayton/JJJ/Carter/Bamba), willing to box out
4.very good instinct about the game, high Bball IQ, game seems slow for him, learns fairly quick and very coach-able
5.excellent scorer around the basket (number better than Bagley/Ayton)
6.love to play defense, two time DPOY

Other than strength his most lacking part is fundamental concepts/knowledge, the know-hows , so stay under the radar may help him learn those   

Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: JHTruth on September 05, 2018, 03:42:47 PM
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Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Eddie20 on September 05, 2018, 05:43:40 PM
Robert Williams said he hasn’t been cleared for 5-on-5 yet. Hopes to be ready for the start of training camp.


This is definitely a concern. He says he's also battling tendinitis. That knee could very well be the main reason why he slipped so much.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: JHTruth on September 05, 2018, 06:00:47 PM
Robert Williams said he hasn’t been cleared for 5-on-5 yet. Hopes to be ready for the start of training camp.


This is definitely a concern. He says he's also battling tendinitis. That knee could very well be the main reason why he slipped so much.

Yeah, said Stevens was riding the bike with him today. LOL.

Tendinitis sucks. Tons of NBA players have it though, its certainly not a unique or too worrisome. Hopefully he's ready for camp.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: JHTruth on September 05, 2018, 06:02:58 PM
Since then, Williams has spent much of the summer in Boston working with the Celtics' coaches and training staff.

"Just strengthening places I need to strengthen," Williams said. "Obviously my knee, obviously knowing what's going on out there on the court, knowing the calls before (Brad Stevens) throws in me a 5-on-5 game. He's been teaching me actually the past couple days, just hammering in the calls, all the play names, all the big names for things, so it's just been a great perspective, a great opportunity."

https://www.masslive.com/celtics/index.ssf/2018/09/boston_celtics_robert_williams_1.html
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: footey on September 05, 2018, 06:29:16 PM
He gives one long interview.

Love the kid.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Emmette Bryant on September 05, 2018, 10:17:48 PM
https://twitter.com/Tom_NBA/status/1037443388101079047

Robert Williams on the love he feels in Massachusetts: “They’re not out here screaming ‘Where’s your wallet?’”
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: rollie mass on September 06, 2018, 04:19:56 AM
https://twitter.com/Tom_NBA/status/1037443388101079047

Robert Williams on the love he feels in Massachusetts: “They’re not out here screaming ‘Where’s your wallet?’”

We are asking a 20 year old to act mature and isn't it time for fans and press to mature with respect to wallet and sleeping jokes "time to put that to bed".
Humor can be so vindictive and a form of bullying.
That Robert is a good kid shows through in all his interviews  and Brad taking the time to be hands on with the young guy builds team loyalty.
Taking the time on the bike is a story  "not to be forgotten"
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: playdream on September 06, 2018, 04:51:29 AM
sleeping and wallet joke should be the one you make inside the blog not the one you say to him, i think it's basic manner
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: rollie mass on September 06, 2018, 11:27:03 AM
I remember one year the rookie class was decimated with some pretty serious injuries Gordon,Parker,Marcus,Exum,Randle,Noel, to name a few.
I started to wonder if kids coming in young and talented were not pushing their bodies too far too fast too young attempting to keep up with older,wiser stronger vets.

These kids came out of college playing a few game a week and a short season.
Philly has had some bad luck with bigs!!!It seems bigs are susceptible to leg injuries
 So maybe its good that Robert was injured and not playing 5-5 and getting rave reviews for his athleticism.And red lining his engine before its ready.
Robert is 20 but has to learn how to strengthen and treat his body while learning how to use his gifts against grown NBA players.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: nickagneta on September 06, 2018, 11:36:53 AM
https://twitter.com/Tom_NBA/status/1037443388101079047

Robert Williams on the love he feels in Massachusetts: “They’re not out here screaming ‘Where’s your wallet?’”

We are asking a 20 year old to act mature and isn't it time for fans and press to mature with respect to wallet and sleeping jokes "time to put that to bed".
Humor can be so vindictive and a form of bullying.
That Robert is a good kid shows through in all his interviews  and Brad taking the time to be hands on with the young guy builds team loyalty.
Taking the time on the bike is a story  "not to be forgotten"
It was William's himself that made the "Where's his wallet" comment, not the fans or press.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: JHTruth on September 06, 2018, 12:24:00 PM
https://twitter.com/Tom_NBA/status/1037443388101079047

Robert Williams on the love he feels in Massachusetts: “They’re not out here screaming ‘Where’s your wallet?’”

We are asking a 20 year old to act mature and isn't it time for fans and press to mature with respect to wallet and sleeping jokes "time to put that to bed".
Humor can be so vindictive and a form of bullying.
That Robert is a good kid shows through in all his interviews  and Brad taking the time to be hands on with the young guy builds team loyalty.
Taking the time on the bike is a story  "not to be forgotten"
It was William's himself that made the "Where's his wallet" comment, not the fans or press.

He was making a point that people in Boston have shown him nothing but love, only the idiotic media clowns have asked him about his wallet.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: nickagneta on September 06, 2018, 12:39:46 PM
https://twitter.com/Tom_NBA/status/1037443388101079047

Robert Williams on the love he feels in Massachusetts: “They’re not out here screaming ‘Where’s your wallet?’”

We are asking a 20 year old to act mature and isn't it time for fans and press to mature with respect to wallet and sleeping jokes "time to put that to bed".
Humor can be so vindictive and a form of bullying.
That Robert is a good kid shows through in all his interviews  and Brad taking the time to be hands on with the young guy builds team loyalty.
Taking the time on the bike is a story  "not to be forgotten"
It was William's himself that made the "Where's his wallet" comment, not the fans or press.

He was making a point that people in Boston have shown him nothing but love, only the idiotic media clowns have asked him about his wallet.
Yes, I know that but apparently, Rollie didn't as he thought fans were saying it.  Also, the press hasn't asked him about his wallet since the incident.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: rollie mass on September 06, 2018, 02:23:40 PM
Hop on over to REDDIT and see what their saying just from a few days ago-or aren't they considered fans.
Or Google Robert Williams  and read some of the back press.Their were insinuations and chuckles yesterday about early days but Robert diffused that situation.
If you noticed i even wrote "time to put this to bed"-as he gets called sleepy over at Reddit
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: nickagneta on September 06, 2018, 02:47:47 PM
Hop on over to REDDIT and see what their saying just from a few days ago-or aren't they considered fans.
Or Google Robert Williams  and read some of the back press.Their were insinuations and chuckles yesterday about early days but Robert diffused that situation.
If you noticed i even wrote "time to put this to bed"-as he gets called sleepy over at Reddit
I don't go on Reddit anymore. Way too many trolls just looking to cause problems. And as I said, the comments from real press have stopped a while back.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Emmette Bryant on September 16, 2018, 11:44:12 AM
https://celticswire.usatoday.com/2018/09/15/aron-baynes-says-rookie-robert-williams-iii-has-a-great-work-ethic/
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Roy H. on September 16, 2018, 11:52:23 AM
https://celticswire.usatoday.com/2018/09/15/aron-baynes-says-rookie-robert-williams-iii-has-a-great-work-ethic/

Nice quote from Baynes.  It's interesting that he values Williams' getting in shape and working out more than spending a ton of time on the court.

That said, is this quote from the Celtics Wire link accurate?

Quote
A knee-to-knee collision took Williams out of his Summer League debut during the first quarter and he hasn’t been fully healthy yet, dealing with a case of knee tendinitis.

However, by training camp, Williams could be healthy and ready to participate in all team activities.

Two months later, and he's still being slowed by his tendinitis?  That's not a great sign (again, if it's accurate).
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Emmette Bryant on September 16, 2018, 12:07:12 PM
https://celticswire.usatoday.com/2018/09/15/aron-baynes-says-rookie-robert-williams-iii-has-a-great-work-ethic/

Nice quote from Baynes.  It's interesting that he values Williams' getting in shape and working out more than spending a ton of time on the court.

That said, is this quote from the Celtics Wire link accurate?

Quote
A knee-to-knee collision took Williams out of his Summer League debut during the first quarter and he hasn’t been fully healthy yet, dealing with a case of knee tendinitis.

However, by training camp, Williams could be healthy and ready to participate in all team activities.

Two months later, and he's still being slowed by his tendinitis?  That's not a great sign (again, if it's accurate).

For the most part, I don't believe anything I read on the internet about a player's health.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: playdream on September 16, 2018, 12:12:09 PM
https://celticswire.usatoday.com/2018/09/15/aron-baynes-says-rookie-robert-williams-iii-has-a-great-work-ethic/

Nice quote from Baynes.  It's interesting that he values Williams' getting in shape and working out more than spending a ton of time on the court.

That said, is this quote from the Celtics Wire link accurate?

Quote
A knee-to-knee collision took Williams out of his Summer League debut during the first quarter and he hasn’t been fully healthy yet, dealing with a case of knee tendinitis.

However, by training camp, Williams could be healthy and ready to participate in all team activities.

Two months later, and he's still being slowed by his tendinitis?  That's not a great sign (again, if it's accurate).

For the most part, I don't believe anything I read on the internet about a player's health.
Didn't  he said himself that he isn't ready yet, only hope to be healthy at camp
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: footey on September 16, 2018, 12:22:31 PM
Brad recently said everyone was ready for camp health wise, so I would hope that includes RW.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: playdream on September 16, 2018, 12:29:28 PM
https://celticswire.usatoday.com/2018/09/15/aron-baynes-says-rookie-robert-williams-iii-has-a-great-work-ethic/

Nice quote from Baynes.  It's interesting that he values Williams' getting in shape and working out more than spending a ton of time on the court.

That said, is this quote from the Celtics Wire link accurate?

Quote
A knee-to-knee collision took Williams out of his Summer League debut during the first quarter and he hasn’t been fully healthy yet, dealing with a case of knee tendinitis.

However, by training camp, Williams could be healthy and ready to participate in all team activities.

Two months later, and he's still being slowed by his tendinitis?  That's not a great sign (again, if it's accurate).
Health is always the No.1 priority, then he needs to learn a lot knowledge, fundamentals, team plays ect, since we likely won't need him to produce soon he can take his time to go step by step, no need to rush on the court
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: KG Living Legend on September 16, 2018, 04:39:37 PM

 Bob Williams is the defensive 🐐. We all should be pumped beyond words we have potentially the missing piece to this team. He's got a 20% bust chance no doubt.

 If we focus on what he can do it's incredible. The Celtics haven't had a guy with this body, size, and athleticism combination since Bill Russell.

 Seriously. You just don't see these guys 6'10" range that are world class run and jump athlete's. Russell was listed at 220 pounds. Williams listed at 238 pounds. Russell was more ripped and in better shape. Williams 7'6" wingspan I'm sure Russell was very similar to that. Just checked it says Russell was 7'4" that sounds right to me.

 You true old time Celtic fans can enlighten me if there has been any other Celtic that fits this physical profile but here are some big men that do not remind me of either Bob or Bill.

 Tony battie, Marc Blount, Oervis Ellison, Marc Blount, Robert Parish, great but not an athlete, Potopenko

 And I just remembered Garrett who although fits the bill we got him at the end. Shame we got KG so late because that's the type of athlete we need at almost 7 feet.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: nickagneta on September 16, 2018, 05:09:27 PM

 Bob Williams is the defensive 🐐. We all should be pumped beyond words we have potentially the missing piece to this team. He's got a 20% bust chance no doubt.

 If we focus on what he can do it's incredible. The Celtics haven't had a guy with this body, size, and athleticism combination since Bill Russell.

 Seriously. You just don't see these guys 6'10" range that are world class run and jump athlete's. Russell was listed at 220 pounds. Williams listed at 238 pounds. Russell was more ripped and in better shape. Williams 7'6" wingspan I'm sure Russell was very similar to that. Just checked it says Russell was 7'4" that sounds right to me.

 You true old time Celtic fans can enlighten me if there has been any other Celtic that fits this physical profile but here are some big men that do not remind me of either Bob or Bill.

 Tony battie, Marc Blount, Oervis Ellison, Marc Blount, Robert Parish, great but not an athlete, Potopenko

 And I just remembered Garrett who although fits the bill we got him at the end. Shame we got KG so late because that's the type of athlete we need at almost 7 feet.
2 things.

1. If a #27 pick doesn't work out, that isn't being a bust. That's pretty normal for picks that late in the first round

2. Robert Parish was an incredible athlete.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: KG Living Legend on September 16, 2018, 05:21:45 PM

 Bob Williams is the defensive 🐐. We all should be pumped beyond words we have potentially the missing piece to this team. He's got a 20% bust chance no doubt.

 If we focus on what he can do it's incredible. The Celtics haven't had a guy with this body, size, and athleticism combination since Bill Russell.

 Seriously. You just don't see these guys 6'10" range that are world class run and jump athlete's. Russell was listed at 220 pounds. Williams listed at 238 pounds. Russell was more ripped and in better shape. Williams 7'6" wingspan I'm sure Russell was very similar to that. Just checked it says Russell was 7'4" that sounds right to me.

 You true old time Celtic fans can enlighten me if there has been any other Celtic that fits this physical profile but here are some big men that do not remind me of either Bob or Bill.

 Tony battie, Marc Blount, Oervis Ellison, Marc Blount, Robert Parish, great but not an athlete, Potopenko

 And I just remembered Garrett who although fits the bill we got him at the end. Shame we got KG so late because that's the type of athlete we need at almost 7 feet.
2 things.

1. If a #27 pick doesn't work out, that isn't being a bust. That's pretty normal for picks that late in the first round

2. Robert Parish was an incredible athlete.



 Guess what parishes Vertical jump was
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: KG Living Legend on September 16, 2018, 05:25:08 PM

 https://youtu.be/JN1F8zNvu8o

 He was quick off his feet, but he was no where near the athlete Bill or Bob Williams.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: nickagneta on September 16, 2018, 06:18:21 PM

 Bob Williams is the defensive 🐐. We all should be pumped beyond words we have potentially the missing piece to this team. He's got a 20% bust chance no doubt.

 If we focus on what he can do it's incredible. The Celtics haven't had a guy with this body, size, and athleticism combination since Bill Russell.

 Seriously. You just don't see these guys 6'10" range that are world class run and jump athlete's. Russell was listed at 220 pounds. Williams listed at 238 pounds. Russell was more ripped and in better shape. Williams 7'6" wingspan I'm sure Russell was very similar to that. Just checked it says Russell was 7'4" that sounds right to me.

 You true old time Celtic fans can enlighten me if there has been any other Celtic that fits this physical profile but here are some big men that do not remind me of either Bob or Bill.

 Tony battie, Marc Blount, Oervis Ellison, Marc Blount, Robert Parish, great but not an athlete, Potopenko

 And I just remembered Garrett who although fits the bill we got him at the end. Shame we got KG so late because that's the type of athlete we need at almost 7 feet.
2 things.

1. If a #27 pick doesn't work out, that isn't being a bust. That's pretty normal for picks that late in the first round

2. Robert Parish was an incredible athlete.



 Guess what parishes Vertical jump was
Don't care. Vertical leap isn't the only measure of athleticism. Parish was one of the best running centers in the league for a long time. He was lean because he practiced martial arts but was really strong. Just a great athlete
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Eddie20 on September 16, 2018, 06:37:04 PM

 https://youtu.be/JN1F8zNvu8o

 He was quick off his feet, but he was no where near the athlete Bill or Bob Williams.

The Parish that you see in most of those highlights was 30 something. This is a young mid-20's Parish:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2uTtcKfo2T8
3:10 mark so you can see how he moved.


As for Williams, there have been numerous players as athletic as him or more. He could end of being Capela or he could end up being Sean Williams. However, based on NBA history as it relates to athletic bigs with limited skills drafted late in the first round, odds are he's closer to the latter.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Sophomore on September 16, 2018, 06:37:36 PM

 https://youtu.be/JN1F8zNvu8o

 He was quick off his feet, but he was no where near the athlete Bill or Bob Williams.

Thanks for posting. I'd forgotten how forcefully he could dunk the ball to finish a play - after a spin or a drive, over outstretched hands in a crowd.  Sudden, strong. He sometimes looked like a finesse player next to the Mahorns and bully-ball specialists, but he was more than capable.

TP.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Sophomore on September 16, 2018, 06:40:19 PM

 https://youtu.be/JN1F8zNvu8o

 He was quick off his feet, but he was no where near the athlete Bill or Bob Williams.

The Parish that you see in most of those highlights was 30 something. This is a young mid-20's Parish:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2uTtcKfo2T8
3:10 mark so you can see how he moved.


As for Williams, there have been numerous players as athletic as him or more. He could end of being Capela or he could end up being Sean Williams. However, based on NBA history as it relates to athletic bugs with limited skills drafted late in the first round, odds are he's closer to the latter.

I'm hoping for Marcus Camby, but yeah, who knows?
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Eddie20 on September 16, 2018, 06:47:34 PM

 https://youtu.be/JN1F8zNvu8o

 He was quick off his feet, but he was no where near the athlete Bill or Bob Williams.

The Parish that you see in most of those highlights was 30 something. This is a young mid-20's Parish:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2uTtcKfo2T8
3:10 mark so you can see how he moved.


As for Williams, there have been numerous players as athletic as him or more. He could end of being Capela or he could end up being Sean Williams. However, based on NBA history as it relates to athletic bugs with limited skills drafted late in the first round, odds are he's closer to the latter.

I'm hoping for Marcus Camby, but yeah, who knows?

I wish, but he was also a top 5 pick (I think he went 4 but I'm going off memory).
Edit: I was wrong he went #2

I'm talking about athletic bigs with low skill sets drafted in the 20s. I can think of Capela, Deandre, and Gobert, but not many others. What makes it harder for Williams is that he's undersized and lacks the size of a Gobert or the body of a Deandre, so closer comparables make the odds even longer.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: JBcat on September 16, 2018, 08:33:56 PM

 Bob Williams is the defensive 🐐. We all should be pumped beyond words we have potentially the missing piece to this team. He's got a 20% bust chance no doubt.

 If we focus on what he can do it's incredible. The Celtics haven't had a guy with this body, size, and athleticism combination since Bill Russell.

 Seriously. You just don't see these guys 6'10" range that are world class run and jump athlete's. Russell was listed at 220 pounds. Williams listed at 238 pounds. Russell was more ripped and in better shape. Williams 7'6" wingspan I'm sure Russell was very similar to that. Just checked it says Russell was 7'4" that sounds right to me.

 You true old time Celtic fans can enlighten me if there has been any other Celtic that fits this physical profile but here are some big men that do not remind me of either Bob or Bill.

 Tony battie, Marc Blount, Oervis Ellison, Marc Blount, Robert Parish, great but not an athlete, Potopenko

 And I just remembered Garrett who although fits the bill we got him at the end. Shame we got KG so late because that's the type of athlete we need at almost 7 feet.
2 things.

1. If a #27 pick doesn't work out, that isn't being a bust. That's pretty normal for picks that late in the first round

2. Robert Parish was an incredible athlete.



 Guess what parishes Vertical jump was

Can we stop calling Robert Bob? Lol just saying as I know how people can get when it’s not really his name.

Robert has incredible tools, but so have many others that have failed to make it in the NBA.  Give him some time to see if his talent can translate to the NBA.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Hoopvortex on September 16, 2018, 08:34:55 PM

 https://youtu.be/JN1F8zNvu8o

 He was quick off his feet, but he was no where near the athlete Bill or Bob Williams.

The Parish that you see in most of those highlights was 30 something. This is a young mid-20's Parish:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2uTtcKfo2T8
3:10 mark so you can see how he moved.


As for Williams, there have been numerous players as athletic as him or more. He could end of being Capela or he could end up being Sean Williams. However, based on NBA history as it relates to athletic bugs with limited skills drafted late in the first round, odds are he's closer to the latter.

I'm hoping for Marcus Camby, but yeah, who knows?

I wish, but he was also a top 5 pick (I think he went 4 but I'm going off memory).
Edit: I was wrong he went #2

I'm talking about athletic bigs with low skill sets drafted in the 20s. I can think of Capela, Deandre, and Gobert, but not many others. What makes it harder for Williams is that he's undersized and lacks the size of a Gobert or the body of a Deandre, so closer comparables make the odds even longer.

DeAndre Jordan   C   6-11   265
Clint Capela   C   6-10   240
Rudy Gobert   C   7-1   245
Marcus Camby   PF/C   6-11   220

Robert Williams is listed at 6-10 241, so you’re right that he’s smaller than Gobert or Jordan, but he’s got 20 pounds on Camby and almost exactly matches Capela.

It’s hard to say how to evaluate how important his draft position is. It appears that the fact of his PAES made teams in front of Boston hesitate, and they would not have been wrong to do that; he might not last long enough to realize whatever potential he’s got. But at #27 maybe that potential outweighs the risk.

As far as skills go, looks to me like he’s got good touch on his jumper but needs to get his mechanics sorted out.  So far he’s a grade-F free throw shooter (or rather, grade-H for hack) . Ainge said they think he can pass, which would help a lot if he’s rolling in the lane for a living.

His laterals and forward acceleration are phenomenal. Looks like he can switch onto guards and protect the rim. Has quicker shoulders than Capela. I think that he can rebound, and if you can match Clint Capela, then you may really have something.

I’m not impressed by his maturity or confidence. Check back in a year on that, since that’s so important for work ethic. Whatever he’s got going for him might not even matter if his knees don’t hold up.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: hwangjini_1 on September 16, 2018, 08:49:46 PM
rather than height, standing reach may be the more important statistic when comparing the players above.

williams = 9'4"
DeAndre Jordan = 8'11"
Clint Capela = 9'2.5"
Rudy Gobert   = 9'7"
Marcus Camby = 9'8"

williams belong in this group. less standing reach than gobert, but more athleticism.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Ogaju on September 16, 2018, 09:03:37 PM

 https://youtu.be/JN1F8zNvu8o

 He was quick off his feet, but he was no where near the athlete Bill or Bob Williams.

WOW forgot what a force Chief was on the court, and boy could Bird pass the basketball. I noticed Chief in a couple of foreign uniforms. Which teams did he play for after the Cs?
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Hoopvortex on September 16, 2018, 09:06:41 PM
rather than height, standing reach may be the more important statistic when comparing the players above.

williams = 9'4"
DeAndre Jordan = 8'11"
Clint Capela = 9'2.5"
Rudy Gobert   = 9'7"
Marcus Camby = 9'8"

williams belong in this group. less standing reach than gobert, but more athleticism.

Point taken. Consider also wingspan, which takes leg length out of the equation. A longer leg is slower to accelerate.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: gouki88 on September 16, 2018, 09:10:11 PM

 https://youtu.be/JN1F8zNvu8o

 He was quick off his feet, but he was no where near the athlete Bill or Bob Williams.

WOW forgot what a force Chief was on the court, and boy could Bird pass the basketball. I noticed Chief in a couple of foreign uniforms. Which teams did he play for after the Cs?
I believe it was Charlotte and Chicago.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Big333223 on September 16, 2018, 09:10:57 PM

 https://youtu.be/JN1F8zNvu8o

 He was quick off his feet, but he was no where near the athlete Bill or Bob Williams.

WOW forgot what a force Chief was on the court, and boy could Bird pass the basketball. I noticed Chief in a couple of foreign uniforms. Which teams did he play for after the Cs?

After Boston he played small roles for Charlotte and then Chicago and he started his career in Golden State.

EDIT: TP to gouki88
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: gouki88 on September 16, 2018, 09:32:37 PM

 https://youtu.be/JN1F8zNvu8o

 He was quick off his feet, but he was no where near the athlete Bill or Bob Williams.

WOW forgot what a force Chief was on the court, and boy could Bird pass the basketball. I noticed Chief in a couple of foreign uniforms. Which teams did he play for after the Cs?

After Boston he played small roles for Charlotte and then Chicago and he started his career in Golden State.

EDIT: TP to gouki88
Back at ya! His longevity was ridiculous, was a starting caliber centre for nearly 20 years and a darn good one at that
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: KG Living Legend on September 16, 2018, 10:04:33 PM

 https://youtu.be/JN1F8zNvu8o

 He was quick off his feet, but he was no where near the athlete Bill or Bob Williams.

The Parish that you see in most of those highlights was 30 something. This is a young mid-20's Parish:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2uTtcKfo2T8
3:10 mark so you can see how he moved.


As for Williams, there have been numerous players as athletic as him or more. He could end of being Capela or he could end up being Sean Williams. However, based on NBA history as it relates to athletic bigs with limited skills drafted late in the first round, odds are he's closer to the latter.




 Eddie I wasn't talking about the NBA, I was talking about Celtics big men.

 And just forget about this he's undersized stuff that just isn't true if Williams is undersized Horford is a shrimp.

 Most important attributes for rim protecting big are. Standing reach Horford 9' which is fine Williams 9'4" Elite.

 Strength Williams has a ways to go but 240 pounds at 20 is solid. And how quick can you get off the ground which again Williams is Elite.


 Tp tho Eddie
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Bobshot on September 16, 2018, 10:40:03 PM
To comment on a few things being discussed here, I've seen them all play including Bill Russell and Robert Parish.

Russell was about the same size as Robert Williams, and probably had similar jumping ability. He was a world class high jumper at USF when USF had great sports teams. Bill was strictly defensive, and got most of his points on putbacks and dunks. He almost prided himself (he and Shaq used to laugh about it) in his inability to shoot foul shots. It didn't matter on his teams.

Robert Parish, when he came over from Golden State, was quite a pick up by Red in that draft trade which got him McHale, too.  Parish was known as a very good shooter for a center--had a good jump shot around the key. Very good for a big man. 7 feet and bigger than Russell, though he couldn't jump like Bill--but didn't need to. He was never known for his D like Russell, but he held his own, and with Bird and McHale, formed the best frontcourt of that era. He was also a very good free throw shooter. That frontcourt had great chemistry.

Williams is more a Russell than a Parish. In terms of style and tools. But he obviously has a long way to go to come close to Russell in performance. In Danny Ainge's dreams.

Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: nickagneta on September 16, 2018, 10:56:35 PM
What I loved about Parish was how tough he was. Of course there is the story when Michael Jordan threatened to kick Chief's ass and Parish, 42 or so at the time, just stared him down and said "Oh no you won't". MJ backed down real quicker. Then there was the time Parish absolutely decked Laimbeer with like one punch in the playoffs. No one messed with Chief or any of the Big 3.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: KG Living Legend on September 16, 2018, 11:21:17 PM
To comment on a few things being discussed here, I've seen them all play including Bill Russell and Robert Parish.

Russell was about the same size as Robert Williams, and probably had similar jumping ability. He was a world class high jumper at USF when USF had great sports teams. Bill was strictly defensive, and got most of his points on putbacks and dunks. He almost prided himself (he and Shaq used to laugh about it) in his inability to shoot foul shots. It didn't matter on his teams.

Robert Parish, when he came over from Golden State, was quite a pick up by Red in that draft trade which got him McHale, too.  Parish was known as a very good shooter for a center--had a good jump shot around the key. Very good for a big man. 7 feet and bigger than Russell, though he couldn't jump like Bill--but didn't need to. He was never known for his D like Russell, but he held his own, and with Bird and McHale, formed the best frontcourt of that era. He was also a very good free throw shooter. That frontcourt had great chemistry.

Williams is more a Russell than a Parish. In terms of style and tools. But he obviously has a long way to go to come close to Russell in performance. In Danny Ainge's dreams.



 Tp Bob. My sentiments as well.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Ogaju on September 16, 2018, 11:48:27 PM

 https://youtu.be/JN1F8zNvu8o

 He was quick off his feet, but he was no where near the athlete Bill or Bob Williams.

WOW forgot what a force Chief was on the court, and boy could Bird pass the basketball. I noticed Chief in a couple of foreign uniforms. Which teams did he play for after the Cs?

After Boston he played small roles for Charlotte and then Chicago and he started his career in Golden State.

EDIT: TP to gouki88
Back at ya! His longevity was ridiculous, was a starting caliber centre for nearly 20 years and a darn good one at that

TP to gouki88 and Big....
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Hoopvortex on September 17, 2018, 01:36:41 AM



As for Williams, there have been numerous players as athletic as him or more.

Yes, though few at his size.

He could end of being Capela or he could end up being Sean Williams.

That about sums it up.

Well chosen comps, by the way, with similar builds.

However, based on NBA history as it relates to athletic bigs with limited skills drafted late in the first round, odds are he's closer to the latter.

Very reasonable, as far as it goes - it being a broad generality that doesn’t consider who he is.

Looks like he fell at least in part because of his medical issue - and perhaps his off-court issue played a role as well. I think that he’s better than 27. I think he can rim-protect, rebound, and switch onto smaller players in the NBA, at least.


Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: rollie mass on September 17, 2018, 02:50:33 AM
Marcus will use pick and roll all night with him on 2nd unit
He is 20 and there is no necessity to rush the kid.
His standing jump reach is 12 feet or over.
We are all excited because it's been forever since we have had a big man with these tools and to be picked up at 27.Kevin McHale should be used to coach this guy along with Horford. Even Cedric Maxwell could throw in some hours
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: ederson on September 17, 2018, 02:59:34 AM

We are all excited because it's been forever since we have had a big man with these tools

We are?
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: playdream on September 17, 2018, 06:33:54 AM
People are really sleeping on Rob

To say that he is a athletic big with low skill level is completely untrue

He is a pretty good passer and has great vision, a great rebounder and shot blocker, can switch on guards even in NBA, has high BBall IQ and feel for the game, not to mention he has shooting touchs, only need to fix the mechanism

His absolute ceiling is Bill Russel who can shoot and pass better, now i don't think he can be that good because he isn't that competitive and healthy, but he is much more a Bill Russel than a Sean Williams, definitely better than D.Jordon and Capela

Now we know his work ethic is fine the only that can hold him back is his knee injury
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: footey on September 17, 2018, 06:35:03 AM

We are all excited because it's been forever since we have had a big man with these tools

We are?

Absolutely.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: moiso on September 17, 2018, 06:37:44 AM

We are all excited because it's been forever since we have had a big man with these tools

We are?

Absolutely.
Not true.  Intrigued, yes.  Excited?  Not really.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: moiso on September 17, 2018, 06:41:32 AM
People are really sleeping on Rob

To say that he is a athletic big with low skill level is completely untrue

He is a pretty good passer and has great vision, a great rebounder and shot blocker, can switch on guards even in NBA, has high BBall IQ and feel for the game, not to mention he has shooting touchs, only need to fix the mechanism

His absolute ceiling is Bill Russel who can shoot and pass better, now i don't think he can be that good because he isn't that competitive and healthy, but he is much more a Bill Russel than a Sean Williams, definitely better than D.Jordon and Capela

Now we know his work ethic is fine the only that can hold him back is his knee injury
You don't know any of this.  This is really far fetched stuff.  The number 27 pick who hasn't shown anything other than having bad knees and missing flights is definitely better than an allstar center?  Ridiculous.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Surferdad on September 17, 2018, 06:41:59 AM
Who knows?  We don't have any more to go on than we did when he was drafted.  There's hints of maturity issues, but he's only 20.  Plus, he's not getting many minutes this season.  I bet we are back here in Sept 2019 with the same questions.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: gouki88 on September 17, 2018, 06:54:13 AM
People are really sleeping on Rob

To say that he is a athletic big with low skill level is completely untrue

He is a pretty good passer and has great vision, a great rebounder and shot blocker, can switch on guards even in NBA, has high BBall IQ and feel for the game, not to mention he has shooting touchs, only need to fix the mechanism

His absolute ceiling is Bill Russel who can shoot and pass better, now i don't think he can be that good because he isn't that competitive and healthy, but he is much more a Bill Russel than a Sean Williams, definitely better than D.Jordon and Capela

Now we know his work ethic is fine the only that can hold him back is his knee injury
You don't know any of this.  This is really far fetched stuff.  The number 27 pick who hasn't shown anything other than having bad knees and missing flights is definitely better than an allstar center?  Ridiculous.
Yeah. DJ has multiple All-NBA & All-Defence teams alongside 2 rebounding championships. Crazy talk
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Celtics4ever on September 17, 2018, 07:01:17 AM
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His absolute ceiling is Bill Russel who can shoot and pass better, now i don't think he can be that good because he isn't that competitive and healthy, but he is much more a Bill Russel than a Sean Williams, definitely better than D.Jordon and Capela

I think that comparing to Bill Russell, who is the ultimate champion of the USA, won NBA titles, Olympic Title, 2 NCAA titles is ridiculous.  It just displays how poor a grasp of you have of Bill Russell accomplishments, which I think will never be duplicated.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: playdream on September 17, 2018, 07:07:36 AM
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His absolute ceiling is Bill Russel who can shoot and pass better, now i don't think he can be that good because he isn't that competitive and healthy, but he is much more a Bill Russel than a Sean Williams, definitely better than D.Jordon and Capela

I think that comparing to Bill Russell, who is the ultimate champion of the USA, won NBA titles, Olympic Title, 2 NCAA titles is ridiculous.  It just displays how poor a grasp of you have of Bill Russell accomplishments, which I think will never be duplicated.
I'm not comparing their achievement but as a player , achievement are related to their environment more than their abilities
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: gouki88 on September 17, 2018, 07:34:10 AM
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His absolute ceiling is Bill Russel who can shoot and pass better, now i don't think he can be that good because he isn't that competitive and healthy, but he is much more a Bill Russel than a Sean Williams, definitely better than D.Jordon and Capela

I think that comparing to Bill Russell, who is the ultimate champion of the USA, won NBA titles, Olympic Title, 2 NCAA titles is ridiculous.  It just displays how poor a grasp of you have of Bill Russell accomplishments, which I think will never be duplicated.
I'm not comparing their achievement but as a player , achievement are related to their environment more than their abilities
It's still a ridiculous comparison. Russell is the second best rebounder of all time, the best defensive player of all time, and one of the better passing bigs of all time, all the while constantly having to leap over massive societal hurdles due to his race.

RWill's career college averages are roughly half what Bill did. Half.

You're also saying he's better than a top 5 post-2010 center of the NBA, and a guy coming off averaging a double-double while starting for the team with the best record in league, while RWill hasn't played a single NBA game yet
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Vermont Green on September 17, 2018, 08:21:21 AM
It is fun to speculate as to how good you think a guy like this will be based on very little competitive paying time.  All I have seen so far are the highlight film collage files.  Based on those, I will say that he is no Fab Melo.  He is keeping up with the game based on speed and reactions (which Fab could not).  This is a fairly basic prerequisite but for a big especially, an important one.

I am bought in.  I like what I see.  I think you can't ask for more from the 27th pick.  But he is still the 27th pick.  Great situation for him to come along slowly.  I think he will stick in the NBA.  I also think he will see some minorly meaningful minutes this season.  That is my bold prediction.  Again, if this comes through, not bad for #27.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: rollie mass on September 17, 2018, 08:31:09 AM
After Sully,Olynck,Zeller ,Horford and Baynes -why not get excited about a 20 year old that has a 7-6 wingspan, has the 2nd highest standing jump reach in world recorded by P3 and his lateral is just off the charts at P3.
Most of the big guys that have his potential go to poor teams and get thrown to the wolves.This guy can be brought along properly.
Nothing said can diminish his athletics and his lateral speed again measured by P3
He is also 240 not rail skinny.
Theis was killing it with rolls and so will Robert getting up with 12 ft 6 max vert for lobs from Marcus.
His favorite player as a kid Al Horford can't get much better role model.
This is the time of year to get excited  about a rookie shot blocker
Intrigue is better suited for Kyrie.




Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: footey on September 17, 2018, 08:40:17 AM
I saw Bill Russell play NBA games. Live. Multiple times.

I saw him on TV multiple times.

Russ is my favorite professional athlete of all time.

There will never be a player as competitive as Bill Russell. Michael Jordan came close.

Robert Williams is not the second coming of Bill Russell.

But......

His size, skill set, and style of play is reminiscent of Russell. YouTube Russell’s games.

It is no disrespect to Russell to say this.

I have remarked in prior posts that the coaches have this kid study Russell on tape. He should also read Go Up For Glory and Second Wind, books written by Russell. Bill Russell’s greatness was less about his physical traits, which were phenomenal.

He put so much time and thought into figuring out how to beat his opponent. That is what all of team, coaches and players alike, should emulate. Including RW3.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: ederson on September 17, 2018, 09:02:49 AM
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Nothing said can diminish his athletics and his lateral speed again measured by P3

A small detail here is that the Celtics is a basketball team and not a Track and field team.

54% FT
no 3p shot
10p 9r for Texas

how can anyone be excited ???? Because his fav player is Horford ? And mine is Birb but i can't make a FT to save my life!!!

Even if he ends up the second big after Horford all this enthusiasm today is completely irrational.... You get excited about Tatum ... Maybe Brown... But for a projected lottery pick who fall all the way to 27 you don't get excited before he even plays a single game!

But it's been a very slow uneventful summer.....

Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: chilidawg on September 17, 2018, 09:17:09 AM
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Nothing said can diminish his athletics and his lateral speed again measured by P3


how can anyone be excited ???? 



It's called potential.  Elite athleticism always creates potential.  And the shot looks decent, so there's reasonable hope for improvement.

And great post Footey, thanks for your input on Russell.  I'm a little too young to remember him directly, but he's always been a favorite.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: nickagneta on September 17, 2018, 09:28:07 AM
Well, I am more excited to have Williams than I was Jordan Mickey, but I guess that's not saying much. I think the better word to describe how I feel about Williams is intrigued.

I am not going to put a lot of expectations of him becoming much, but from the 3-4 games I saw him play his freshman year, I thought he had immense potential. Sadly, he didn't seem to develop one bit in the 2 games I saw him play his sophmore year. That, of course, could be explained away to having a bad coach and having to play in basically a two center system. Really, he was poorly handled in college.

That all said, he is a number 27 pick. If he doesn't ever become much, I won't be surprised or disappointed. That's what happens with picks in the low 20's and beyond. But, if he becomes Clint Capella good, that wouldn't surprise me either as I think the kid has tremendous potential.

As Surferdad said earlier, I don't think we will know anymore next year at this time just how good he will be. It's going to be a slow process. He will spend some time in Maine this year for sure and get very, very, very limited minutes in Boston. I am pretty sure we won't know just how good Robert will be until his 3rd or 4th year. So practice patience everyone.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: playdream on September 17, 2018, 09:31:39 AM
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His absolute ceiling is Bill Russel who can shoot and pass better, now i don't think he can be that good because he isn't that competitive and healthy, but he is much more a Bill Russel than a Sean Williams, definitely better than D.Jordon and Capela

I think that comparing to Bill Russell, who is the ultimate champion of the USA, won NBA titles, Olympic Title, 2 NCAA titles is ridiculous.  It just displays how poor a grasp of you have of Bill Russell accomplishments, which I think will never be duplicated.
I'm not comparing their achievement but as a player , achievement are related to their environment more than their abilities
It's still a ridiculous comparison. Russell is the second best rebounder of all time, the best defensive player of all time, and one of the better passing bigs of all time, all the while constantly having to leap over massive societal hurdles due to his race.

RWill's career college averages are roughly half what Bill did. Half.

You're also saying he's better than a top 5 post-2010 center of the NBA, and a guy coming off averaging a double-double while starting for the team with the best record in league, while RWill hasn't played a single NBA game yet
I literally said i don't think he can reach Russel's level(and the reason)

As for D.Jordon i think he is way overrated based on his achievement versus ability

AND by the way we are talking about his future not right now(i think it's pretty clear though)
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Eddie20 on September 17, 2018, 09:50:24 AM
His absolute ceiling is Bill Russel who can shoot and pass better, now i don't think he can be that good because he isn't that competitive and healthy, but he is much more a Bill Russel than a Sean Williams, definitely better than D.Jordon and Capela

Now we know his work ethic is fine the only that can hold him back is his knee injury

What a ludicrous take.

You may try to backpedal, people tend to when they border on the absurd, but you're saying that a healthy Williams is potentially better than Russell. Clearly you aren't a historian of the game.
Season MVP - 5 times
1957-58, 1960-61, 1961-62, 1962-63, 1964-65

Rebounds Leader - 4 times
1957-58, 1958-59, 1963-64, 1964-65

All-NBA First Team - 3 times
1958-59, 1962-63, 1964-65

All-NBA Second Team - 8 times
1957-58, 1959-60, 1960-61, 1961-62, 1963-64, 1965-66, 1966-67, 1967-68


The cherry on top is the assertion that he's better than Jordan or Capela. Again, just absurd takes.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: playdream on September 17, 2018, 10:09:15 AM
His absolute ceiling is Bill Russel who can shoot and pass better, now i don't think he can be that good because he isn't that competitive and healthy, but he is much more a Bill Russel than a Sean Williams, definitely better than D.Jordon and Capela

Now we know his work ethic is fine the only that can hold him back is his knee injury

What a ludicrous take.

You may try to backpedal, people tend to when they border on the absurd, but you're saying that a healthy Williams is potentially better than Russell. Clearly you aren't a historian of the game.
Season MVP - 5 times
1957-58, 1960-61, 1961-62, 1962-63, 1964-65

Rebounds Leader - 4 times
1957-58, 1958-59, 1963-64, 1964-65

All-NBA First Team - 3 times
1958-59, 1962-63, 1964-65

All-NBA Second Team - 8 times
1957-58, 1959-60, 1960-61, 1961-62, 1963-64, 1965-66, 1966-67, 1967-68


The cherry on top is the assertion that he's better than Jordan or Capela. Again, just absurd takes.
As i literally said i don't think he can reach Russel because of competitiveness and healthy, other than that his physical tool and skill set and feel for the game/touch/BBall IQ i don't see why he can't reach Russel's level , can you educate me why not?

I think he is a much better prospect then Ayton and Bagley, we will see
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: playdream on September 17, 2018, 10:17:32 AM
Well, I am more excited to have Williams than I was Jordan Mickey, but I guess that's not saying much. I think the better word to describe how I feel about Williams is intrigued.

I am not going to put a lot of expectations of him becoming much, but from the 3-4 games I saw him play his freshman year, I thought he had immense potential. Sadly, he didn't seem to develop one bit in the 2 games I saw him play his sophmore year. That, of course, could be explained away to having a bad coach and having to play in basically a two center system. Really, he was poorly handled in college.

That all said, he is a number 27 pick. If he doesn't ever become much, I won't be surprised or disappointed. That's what happens with picks in the low 20's and beyond. But, if he becomes Clint Capella good, that wouldn't surprise me either as I think the kid has tremendous potential.

As Surferdad said earlier, I don't think we will know anymore next year at this time just how good he will be. It's going to be a slow process. He will spend some time in Maine this year for sure and get very, very, very limited minutes in Boston. I am pretty sure we won't know just how good Robert will be until his 3rd or 4th year. So practice patience everyone.
If everyone is healthy RW will start as a 3rd string big, but if one of our big went down he may play as a 2nd big which can log him ~15mins or even more a game, of course will be depend on how quick he learns
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: ederson on September 17, 2018, 10:18:16 AM

I think he is a much better prospect then Ayton and Bagley, we will see


Williams ?
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: playdream on September 17, 2018, 10:18:52 AM

I think he is a much better prospect then Ayton and Bagley, we will see


Williams ?
Yes
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: tonydelk on September 17, 2018, 10:40:18 AM
Well, I am more excited to have Williams than I was Jordan Mickey, but I guess that's not saying much. I think the better word to describe how I feel about Williams is intrigued.

I am not going to put a lot of expectations of him becoming much, but from the 3-4 games I saw him play his freshman year, I thought he had immense potential. Sadly, he didn't seem to develop one bit in the 2 games I saw him play his sophmore year. That, of course, could be explained away to having a bad coach and having to play in basically a two center system. Really, he was poorly handled in college.

That all said, he is a number 27 pick. If he doesn't ever become much, I won't be surprised or disappointed. That's what happens with picks in the low 20's and beyond. But, if he becomes Clint Capella good, that wouldn't surprise me either as I think the kid has tremendous potential.

As Surferdad said earlier, I don't think we will know anymore next year at this time just how good he will be. It's going to be a slow process. He will spend some time in Maine this year for sure and get very, very, very limited minutes in Boston. I am pretty sure we won't know just how good Robert will be until his 3rd or 4th year. So practice patience everyone.
If everyone is healthy RW will start as a 3rd string big, but if one of our big went down he may play as a 2nd big which can log him ~15mins or even more a game, of course will be depend on how quick he learns

If Williams earns time he will play this year.  CBS plays the players who earn it especially on the defensive end.  It doesn't matter how many years in the league.  If Williams works his ass off, shows out and is better then the guys ahead of him he will get PT.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: rollie mass on September 17, 2018, 10:42:02 AM
Russell was 22 coming into the league after two championships and a gold medal.
Bob Cousy was taking set shots and one hand foul shots College ball was mostly white and the Celtics led the NBA in breaking color barrier.
I played against Cousy in an exhibition game and scored on him the picture is still on my dresser.Russell bridged the modern era of basketball.Was a track and field guy high jump and 220.
.In two years with Boston coaching lets see where that athleticism leads Robert.
I think he has more BBIQ than people give him credit for.
Right now this kid is the number two in the world at jumping reach at 12ft-6 and has unheard off lateral movement.His wingspan is 2 inches greater than Russells.
When Russel hit the NBA it was CYO league by todays standards.
There was only one Russell doesn't mean the Celts can't teach this kid and harness that athleticism.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Eddie20 on September 17, 2018, 11:12:27 AM
Right now this kid is the number two in the world at jumping reach at 12ft-6

You keep saying this over and over.
 Some questions:

Where did you get that info?

Who's # 1?

Who's been tested, because I can think of guys like Davis, Giannis, Bamba, etc. that would probably surpass his numbers?

Was this done at a training institute that Williams is a client of?
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: rollie mass on September 17, 2018, 11:25:56 AM
Evans the dunk champ- and look it up
P3 sports science 112 ft from stadnstill 12-6 with approach
The head of bio mechanics did a video on his lateral.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: playdream on September 17, 2018, 11:43:27 AM
Right now this kid is the number two in the world at jumping reach at 12ft-6

You keep saying this over and over.
 Some questions:

Where did you get that info?

Who's # 1?

Who's been tested, because I can think of guys like Davis, Giannis, Bamba, etc. that would probably surpass his numbers?

Was this done at a training institute that Williams is a client of?
First is DH
Giannis12'2" for example ,Robert 12ft-6
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: rollie mass on September 17, 2018, 12:08:09 PM
Jeremy evans 12 7.5
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Eddie20 on September 17, 2018, 12:16:48 PM
Jeremy evans 12 7.5

Well then we should probably take the measurement with a grain of salt since Evans is basically a scrub who's #1 ranking didn't translate into on-court success.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: playdream on September 17, 2018, 12:33:50 PM
Jeremy evans 12 7.5

Well then we should probably take the measurement with a grain of salt since Evans is basically a scrub who's #1 ranking didn't translate into on-court success.
I mean we all know that, tools are meaningless if you don't use them, Robert has the skills
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: rollie mass on September 17, 2018, 03:10:23 PM
Just as important is Roberts lateral movement and power also focused on by The Director of Sports Science doing a video showing how and why Robert was unique in his ability to cover
 perimeter guards .
Robert is a prospect in an area of need ,something we have not had in a long time.After suffering through Sully,Olynck ,Zeller  and Mickey.
I will reserve judgement but am excited at possibilities  and have fun.
Who needs a pinch of salt with Eddie on the prowl.A real salty guy
.Hope he enjoyed the P3 footage.-now he will spend the rest of this season focusing on Robert Williams errors.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Hoopvortex on September 17, 2018, 04:04:43 PM
https://celticswire.usatoday.com/2018/09/15/aron-baynes-says-rookie-robert-williams-iii-has-a-great-work-ethic/

Nice quote from Baynes.  It's interesting that he values Williams' getting in shape and working out more than spending a ton of time on the court.

That said, is this quote from the Celtics Wire link accurate?

Quote
A knee-to-knee collision took Williams out of his Summer League debut during the first quarter and he hasn’t been fully healthy yet, dealing with a case of knee tendinitis.

However, by training camp, Williams could be healthy and ready to participate in all team activities.

Two months later, and he's still being slowed by his tendinitis?  That's not a great sign (again, if it's accurate).

Not a great sign, no, but not necessarily a red flag, either. It’s just not possible, it seems, to get anything definitive about this.

We know (at least if it got reported accurately) that he banged his knee in SL and got a contusion. If that was a bone bruise to his patella, that could be the source of quadriceps tendinitis; and it would make a longer recovery time more understandable. It would also explain why we’re talking about seemingly two injuries that seemed to happen at the same time.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Eddie20 on September 17, 2018, 04:04:52 PM
Right now this kid is the number two in the world at jumping reach at 12ft-6

You keep saying this over and over.
 Some questions:

Where did you get that info?

Who's # 1?

Who's been tested, because I can think of guys like Davis, Giannis, Bamba, etc. that would probably surpass his numbers?

Was this done at a training institute that Williams is a client of?


Just to be clear, Williams is NOT #2 in the world in the said measurement as some have falsely claimed. The truth is a little less extreme and much more reasonable, which is he had the second highest leap at that specific performance institute. That's important because at the end of the day a business is about selling it's product, so what better way than to post some good numbers by your clients even though the numbers aren't exactly legitimate. A NBA combine test, which has no hidden agendas, carries much more weight.

The saying it's on internet, so it must be true quickly comes to mind.  ::)


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Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: rollie mass on September 17, 2018, 05:04:20 PM
Combine does vertical leap not max vertical reach from standstill or with approach-Dwight Howard was number one at 12-6 at the time then Jeremy Evans who won the dunk contest came in and broke the record-did you look at Williams lateral. and the power he produces.
.You can split hairs any way you want-i posted what i posted what i read a nitpicker like you can always be counted on to correct any trivial misquotes by Texas AM .
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Eddie20 on September 17, 2018, 05:14:12 PM
Combine does vertical leap not max vertical reach from standstill or with approach


Here are the top 5 guys at the combine in max and standing vert.

Standing Vertical Leap
1.   Donte DiVincenzo   34.50
2.   Trevon Duval   34.00
3.   Gary Trent   33.50
4.   Josh Okogie   33.00
4.   Zhaire Smith   33.00
Max Vertical Leap
1.   Donte DiVincenzo   42.00
1.   Josh Okogie   42.00
3.   Trevon Duval   41.50
3.   Anfernee Simons   41.50
3.   Zhaire Smith

You can draw more accurate conclusions, at least free from any potential bias, by adding their respective jumping totals to their standing reach measurements.

For perspective,  Udoka Azubuike measured in with a standing reach of 9' 4.5'' and had a standing vertical of 31 inches. That's approximately 12 feet reach off a standing leap. So I would think it's fair to say he would likely beat Williams' alleged Mark if he were running.

Bamba had Azubuike by 3 inches in standing by reach, but didn't partake in any jumping drills. But with that reach he wouldn't have to jump too high to eclipse Williams either.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: rollie mass on September 17, 2018, 05:29:07 PM
That is not vertical reach that is vertical leap!!!!  vertical reach is 12-ft 5 or 6
Donnie Vincenzo has about 42inch vertical that doesn't mean anything when you factor in Williams 7-6 wingspan on top of his vertical.
You don't want to get it!!! the highest vertical can come from a 6-1 guard or Spud Webb--do you get it yet
That Darby twitter was putting Williams at 2nd highest vertical reach at 12-6
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: KG Living Legend on September 17, 2018, 05:31:46 PM
That is not vertical reach that is vertical leap!!!!  vertical reach is 12-ft
Donnie Vincenzo has about 42inch vertical that doesn't mean anything when you factor in Williams 7-6 wingspan on top of his vertical.
You don't want to get it!!! the highest vertical can come from a 6-1 guard or Spud Webb--do you get it yet
That Darby twitter was putting Williams at 2nd highest vertical reach at 12-6



 I actually remember Dwight Howard being #1 at 12'6" Max, Vertical reach while Williams was 12'5"
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: nickagneta on September 17, 2018, 05:41:54 PM
No more personal jabs, Rollie. Discuss the subject not the poster
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: rollie mass on September 17, 2018, 06:01:03 PM
Combine does vertical leap not max vertical reach from standstill or with approach


Here are the top 5 guys at the combine in max and standing vert.

Standing Vertical Leap
1.   Donte DiVincenzo   34.50
2.   Trevon Duval   34.00
3.   Gary Trent   33.50
4.   Josh Okogie   33.00
4.   Zhaire Smith   33.00
Max Vertical Leap
1.   Donte DiVincenzo   42.00
1.   Josh Okogie   42.00
3.   Trevon Duval   41.50
3.   Anfernee Simons   41.50
3.   Zhaire Smith

You can draw more accurate conclusions, at least free from any potential bias, by adding their respective jumping totals to their standing reach measurements.

For perspective,  Udoka Azubuike measured in with a standing reach of 9' 4.5'' and had a standing vertical of 31 inches. That's approximately 12 feet reach off a standing leap. So I would think it's fair to say he would likely beat Williams' alleged Mark if he were running.

Bamba had Azubuike by 3 inches in standing by reach, but didn't partake in any jumping drills. But with that reach he wouldn't have to jump too high to eclipse Williams either.

So you think it is SAFE TO SAY he would LIKELY beat Williams alleged 12-6--the point is there is no reach figure and Jeremy Evans is number one-Dwight was at number one at the time.
And there has been controversy on combine measurements before.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: playdream on September 17, 2018, 07:11:08 PM
Well it didn't really matter that much if Robert is the No.2 or 3 or 4, the point is he can reach high
and he can jump quick, on each foot and second jump, Bamba for example will never be able to do that
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: rollie mass on September 18, 2018, 06:01:35 AM
As to holding up Combine to some high standard 2015 had controversy and even more in 2016 as
 multiple measuring standards and recording/transcription on verical were brought into question. From memory Pat Connaughton comes to mind and his 44 inch vertical in 2015 his standing reach was recorded improperly.
Look up 2016 combine results that are considered highly unreliable in article by nbadraft.net.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: playdream on September 18, 2018, 05:51:57 PM
Personal company is way more reliable than combine because their job literally depend on their reputation
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: rollie mass on September 19, 2018, 08:38:07 AM
Here is a question Robert Williams and Semi both have elite lateral.Williams has elite wingspan 
Both can guard perimeter. Semi doesn't have length but a elite base.
Isn't Williams the type the Celts need to combat Yanniss and Simmons? If Semi got time as a rookie, so can Williams as a defensive counter to certain matchups.
Both Semi and Yabusele looked lost as rookies maybe these last few months allow Williams to grasp defense quickly and to have worked on strength
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Vermont Green on September 19, 2018, 09:33:45 AM
Here is a question Robert Williams and Semi both have elite lateral.Williams has elite wingspan 
Both can guard perimeter. Semi doesn't have length but a elite base.
Isn't Williams the type the Celts need to combat Yanniss and Simmons? If Semi got time as a rookie, so can Williams as a defensive counter to certain matchups.
Both Semi and Yabusele looked lost as rookies maybe these last few months allow Williams to grasp defense quickly and to have worked on strength

In terms of Semi Ojeleye, he is 3 years older than Williams (so 2 years different as rookies) and I think this makes a big difference in terms of rookie expectations.  Williams probably has more development required than Ojeleye.  Yabusele is also a young rookie and I think his play was representative of this.  I don't expect that we will see Williams playing as much as Semi did.  We were kind of forced to play Semi.  There is less pressure to play Williams.

I am with you Rollie, I am high on Williams based on the extremely small amount we have seen of him.  He is a great pick for #27.  If he ends up being Larry Sanders (on the court anyway), it will be a steal.  Even Larry Sanders level may be a stretch but I think that is a reasonable comp.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: td450 on September 19, 2018, 09:44:11 AM
Here is a question Robert Williams and Semi both have elite lateral.Williams has elite wingspan 
Both can guard perimeter. Semi doesn't have length but a elite base.
Isn't Williams the type the Celts need to combat Yanniss and Simmons? If Semi got time as a rookie, so can Williams as a defensive counter to certain matchups.
Both Semi and Yabusele looked lost as rookies maybe these last few months allow Williams to grasp defense quickly and to have worked on strength
Our strategy is overall team defensive intensity and length and two way pressure. Until they evolve into more complete players, Semi and Robert Williams will provide spot relief. They won't be part of the primary effort. Our strength is that we are perhaps the only team in the NBA that doesn't start anyone with a serious hole in their game. Kyrie is probably the closest given his mediocre defense.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: CF033 on September 19, 2018, 10:26:43 AM
Here is a question Robert Williams and Semi both have elite lateral.Williams has elite wingspan 
Both can guard perimeter. Semi doesn't have length but a elite base.
Isn't Williams the type the Celts need to combat Yanniss and Simmons? If Semi got time as a rookie, so can Williams as a defensive counter to certain matchups.
Both Semi and Yabusele looked lost as rookies maybe these last few months allow Williams to grasp defense quickly and to have worked on strength

I've been saying all along I believe that Williams will be making big contributions for the Celts come playoff time just like Semi did last year. I won't be shocked to see him covering Giannis, Embiid, etc.

As long as he's healthy I see absolutely no reason why his defensive abilities won't translate to the NBA, he certainly has the athleticism and size/length needed.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: trickybilly on September 19, 2018, 11:14:20 AM
Here is a question Robert Williams and Semi both have elite lateral.Williams has elite wingspan 
Both can guard perimeter. Semi doesn't have length but a elite base.
Isn't Williams the type the Celts need to combat Yanniss and Simmons? If Semi got time as a rookie, so can Williams as a defensive counter to certain matchups.
Both Semi and Yabusele looked lost as rookies maybe these last few months allow Williams to grasp defense quickly and to have worked on strength

I've been saying all along I believe that Williams will be making big contributions for the Celts come playoff time just like Semi did last year. I won't be shocked to see him covering Giannis, Embiid, etc.

As long as he's healthy I see absolutely no reason why his defensive abilities won't translate to the NBA, he certainly has the athleticism and size/length needed.

I would be willing to wager 10 TPs that you are wrong
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: positivitize on September 19, 2018, 01:00:02 PM
Here is a question Robert Williams and Semi both have elite lateral.Williams has elite wingspan 
Both can guard perimeter. Semi doesn't have length but a elite base.
Isn't Williams the type the Celts need to combat Yanniss and Simmons? If Semi got time as a rookie, so can Williams as a defensive counter to certain matchups.
Both Semi and Yabusele looked lost as rookies maybe these last few months allow Williams to grasp defense quickly and to have worked on strength

I've been saying all along I believe that Williams will be making big contributions for the Celts come playoff time just like Semi did last year. I won't be shocked to see him covering Giannis, Embiid, etc.

As long as he's healthy I see absolutely no reason why his defensive abilities won't translate to the NBA, he certainly has the athleticism and size/length needed.

I would be willing to wager 10 TPs that you are wrong

I agree with Billy. Robert Williams is a late 1st round pick who played a whopping 7 minutes of summer league and missed his intro phone call, lost his wallet twice, and missed his flight.

He's got great measurables, but as of now, he's shown exactly 7 minutes of being a serviceable third-string center.

He's young. Hopefully he'll improve--but I think it's more likely than not that he's out of the league in 3 years; certainly more likely that he's not cut out for the NBA than him being the next big missing piece on the Celtics and Horford's replacement.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: positivitize on September 19, 2018, 01:06:11 PM
I guess what I'm saying is that I'd be surprised if he was a better NBA player than Tyler Zeller
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: CF033 on September 19, 2018, 01:17:09 PM
Here is a question Robert Williams and Semi both have elite lateral.Williams has elite wingspan 
Both can guard perimeter. Semi doesn't have length but a elite base.
Isn't Williams the type the Celts need to combat Yanniss and Simmons? If Semi got time as a rookie, so can Williams as a defensive counter to certain matchups.
Both Semi and Yabusele looked lost as rookies maybe these last few months allow Williams to grasp defense quickly and to have worked on strength

I've been saying all along I believe that Williams will be making big contributions for the Celts come playoff time just like Semi did last year. I won't be shocked to see him covering Giannis, Embiid, etc.

As long as he's healthy I see absolutely no reason why his defensive abilities won't translate to the NBA, he certainly has the athleticism and size/length needed.

I would be willing to wager 10 TPs that you are wrong

Darn you want ALL of my TPs?! lol.

I guess I'm banking on his maturity level going up over the course of the season being around guys like Stevens, Horford, Hayward, Brown, Tatum etc. I'm not guaranteeing what I said, I'm just going with my gut. He has a special level of athleticism and I have no doubt that he can move at NBA speed and I do believe his defensive abilities will translate. A lot of question marks about his physical health and maturity I def agree though.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: rollie mass on September 19, 2018, 01:30:59 PM
Not much faith in the Celtics culture and coaching.I keep reading he is a quick learner-
The fact that he is not out on the practice court doing meaningless stuff according to Baynes and working hard to strengthen himself and get his body right.And LEARN that is a common thread that he likes to learn.
The intangibles and agility,timing, flashing of court awareness and passing.
Unless that artery condition makes playing not fun -i respectfully disagree with your assessment. 
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: JHTruth on September 19, 2018, 01:43:13 PM
Here is a question Robert Williams and Semi both have elite lateral.Williams has elite wingspan 
Both can guard perimeter. Semi doesn't have length but a elite base.
Isn't Williams the type the Celts need to combat Yanniss and Simmons? If Semi got time as a rookie, so can Williams as a defensive counter to certain matchups.
Both Semi and Yabusele looked lost as rookies maybe these last few months allow Williams to grasp defense quickly and to have worked on strength

I've been saying all along I believe that Williams will be making big contributions for the Celts come playoff time just like Semi did last year. I won't be shocked to see him covering Giannis, Embiid, etc.

As long as he's healthy I see absolutely no reason why his defensive abilities won't translate to the NBA, he certainly has the athleticism and size/length needed.

I would be willing to wager 10 TPs that you are wrong

I agree with Billy. Robert Williams is a late 1st round pick who played a whopping 7 minutes of summer league and missed his intro phone call, lost his wallet twice, and missed his flight.

He's got great measurables, but as of now, he's shown exactly 7 minutes of being a serviceable third-string center.

He's young. Hopefully he'll improve--but I think it's more likely than not that he's out of the league in 3 years; certainly more likely that he's not cut out for the NBA than him being the next big missing piece on the Celtics and Horford's replacement.

I would say your criticisms are more evidence of how little we know about him. We frankly haven't a clue how he will fit in the NBA either way. Lost wallets, etc are irrelevant and his SL sample is very small.

Wait and see is the right course..
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: positivitize on September 19, 2018, 01:50:10 PM
I agree with Billy. Robert Williams is a late 1st round pick who played a whopping 7 minutes of summer league and missed his intro phone call, lost his wallet twice, and missed his flight.

He's got great measurables, but as of now, he's shown exactly 7 minutes of being a serviceable third-string center.

He's young. Hopefully he'll improve--but I think it's more likely than not that he's out of the league in 3 years; certainly more likely that he's not cut out for the NBA than him being the next big missing piece on the Celtics and Horford's replacement.

I would say your criticisms are more evidence of how little we know about him. We frankly haven't a clue how he will fit in the NBA either way. Lost wallets, etc are irrelevant and his SL sample is very small.

Wait and see is the right course..

Agreed. I'm not writing him off and I'd love it if he turned out to be amazing. He's a Celtic and I would love if he were the next Rudy Gobert/Clint Capella hybrid. I just cant justify that hope with what I've seen so far.

Wait and see is right, but if I'm grading on the body of work he's done in the NBA so far, he's not a NBA player.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: footey on September 19, 2018, 06:09:58 PM
Brad just announced that Williams good to go for training camp!!

Great news.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: footey on September 19, 2018, 06:25:49 PM
I guess what I'm saying is that I'd be surprised if he was a better NBA player than Tyler Zeller

Poor comparison.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Celtics17 on September 19, 2018, 06:54:39 PM
This guy is gonna be a stud! So what, he missed a practice or two, big deal. The guy is what, 20, and from what most of his peers and coaches say he's actually a good person. His athleticism is something this team sorely needs and unless his health doesnt allow it I think he will be making a major impact and this season!
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: rollie mass on September 20, 2018, 07:06:28 AM
Talented bigs usually get drafted by lottery teams and then thrown out skinny or not man strong to challenge grown men with strength speed ,bulk and all the tricks and help from refs.
And get used to travelling and lifestyle and 82 games.Lots of AND's for rookies.
Getting drafted by Celtics with a collection of hard working young stars,some amazing vets and Brad is the opposite of what happens in Philly or Phoenix.
Now we have front row seats to watch a 20 yr old with gifts and tools  be taught the game from a winning culture unlike Okafor, Noel  or Bender and Chris.

A two time SEC defensive player of year with ability to play perimeter at elite level, with the ability to get 2.5 ft over the rim.At an already 240 lbs, this isn't some skinny pogo stick.
He missed summer league, so what with all the tape on him and in those few moments, he hit a mid range against the clock and drove for a baseline floater-nice touch again showed court awareness but rolled out and then a dunk.
In his tapes are glimpses of passing potential,his ability in transition and his defensive timing.
This is no Fab Melo,this is no Tyler Zeller.

So, he has a  young personal coach that played at Butler.
Jaylen had friends living with him including Bird and a lifelong friend.
Jaylen has his mom in the same building and suddenly pops up a new dad.
Marcus went cage rage on a mirror missing part of season
Morris missed pre season practice because he was in court.
And all Robert Williams did was leave his wallet in his room and after all the lights,probing question and multitude of strangers while being hustle here and there.So he left an empty hotel room to go visit friends or a girlfriend before practice for Las Vegas was starting.
He just didn't get back in time.
But that event galvanized the Celts to get him a personal coach a Butler player.. Helped get him into an apartment next to training facility and his coach will act as a driver to Maine or in treacherous Boston winters coupled with traffic.
I'm a Celtics fan and have waited a long time for a rookie rim protector with length and agility to come through Celtics draft system .



 
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: RockinRyA on September 20, 2018, 09:04:10 AM
I guess what I'm saying is that I'd be surprised if he was a better NBA player than Tyler Zeller

Poor comparison.

Its not a comparison.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Monkhouse on September 20, 2018, 09:19:50 AM
I guess what I'm saying is that I'd be surprised if he was a better NBA player than Tyler Zeller

For someone who's name stems from the words positive, you're not that much of a positive poster.  :P

But that is a VERY VERY lazy comparison.... You can do better.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: tonydelk on September 20, 2018, 09:20:48 AM
Talented bigs usually get drafted by lottery teams and then thrown out skinny or not man strong to challenge grown men with strength speed ,bulk and all the tricks and help from refs.
And get used to travelling lifestyle and 82 games.Lots of AND's.
Getting drafted by Celtics with a collection of hard working young stars,some amazing vets and Brad is the opposite of what happens in Philly or Phoenix.
Now we have front row seats to watch a 20 yr old with gifts and tools  be taught the game from a winning culture unlike Okafor, Noel  or Bender and Chris.

A two time SEC defensive player of year with ability to play perimeter at elite level, with the ability to get 2.5 ft over the rim.At an already 240 lbs, this isn't some skinny pogo stick.
He missed summer league, so what with all the tape on him and in those few moments, he hit a mid range against the clock and drove for a baseline floater-nice touch again showed court awareness but rolled out and then a dunk.
In his tapes are glimpses of passing potential,his ability in transition and his defensive timing.
This is no Fab Melo,this is no Tyler Zeller.

So, he has a  young personal coach that played at Butler.
Jaylen had friends living with him including Bird and a lifelong friend.
Jaylen has his mom in the same building and suddenly pops up a new dad.
Marcus went cage rage on a mirror missing part of season
Morris missed pre season practice because he was in court.
And all Robert Williams did was leave his wallet in his room and after all the lights,probing question and multitude of strangers while being hustle here and there.So he left an empty hotel room to go visit friends or a girlfriend before practice for Las Vegas was starting.
He just didn't get back in time.
But that event galvanized the Celts to get him a personal coach a Butler player.. Helped get him into an apartment next to training facility and his coach will act as a driver to Maine or in treacherous Boston winters coupled with traffic.
I'm a Celtics fan and have waited a long time for a rookie rim protector with length and agility to come through Celtics draft system .

TP - Great Post

This is the most excited I've been about a rim protector in Boston.  We have not had anyone that has this type of talent since??? I don't even know.  Don't get me wrong.  I love Theis and he is absolutely a rim protector but his ceiling is not as high as Williams.  Williams has the Defensive Ceiling of a Capela.  I believe his O will be better the Capela because Williams can hit 3's.  Now if he doesn't work hard, listen, and accept coaching he won't make it long in the league.  That goes for anyone.  There are plenty of talented big men that just don't develop because they don't care enough to put the time in.   This kid is immature and it seems more so then other's at the same age.  This is what people are attacking him for.  He needs to learn the professional side of basketball.  How to eat right, how to take care of your body, get your sleep, work your ass off.  Learn how to take care of the millions you are making.  If he can do that we will talking about how we got a steal a few years from now.  If not he may be the next James Young.  In 3 years he's lucky to get a camp invite.  I am excited for his potential but I know that comes with risks.

Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: footey on September 20, 2018, 09:31:39 AM
Talented bigs usually get drafted by lottery teams and then thrown out skinny or not man strong to challenge grown men with strength speed ,bulk and all the tricks and help from refs.
And get used to travelling lifestyle and 82 games.Lots of AND's.
Getting drafted by Celtics with a collection of hard working young stars,some amazing vets and Brad is the opposite of what happens in Philly or Phoenix.
Now we have front row seats to watch a 20 yr old with gifts and tools  be taught the game from a winning culture unlike Okafor, Noel  or Bender and Chris.

A two time SEC defensive player of year with ability to play perimeter at elite level, with the ability to get 2.5 ft over the rim.At an already 240 lbs, this isn't some skinny pogo stick.
He missed summer league, so what with all the tape on him and in those few moments, he hit a mid range against the clock and drove for a baseline floater-nice touch again showed court awareness but rolled out and then a dunk.
In his tapes are glimpses of passing potential,his ability in transition and his defensive timing.
This is no Fab Melo,this is no Tyler Zeller.

So, he has a  young personal coach that played at Butler.
Jaylen had friends living with him including Bird and a lifelong friend.
Jaylen has his mom in the same building and suddenly pops up a new dad.
Marcus went cage rage on a mirror missing part of season
Morris missed pre season practice because he was in court.
And all Robert Williams did was leave his wallet in his room and after all the lights,probing question and multitude of strangers while being hustle here and there.So he left an empty hotel room to go visit friends or a girlfriend before practice for Las Vegas was starting.
He just didn't get back in time.
But that event galvanized the Celts to get him a personal coach a Butler player.. Helped get him into an apartment next to training facility and his coach will act as a driver to Maine or in treacherous Boston winters coupled with traffic.
I'm a Celtics fan and have waited a long time for a rookie rim protector with length and agility to come through Celtics draft system .

TP - Great Post

This is the most excited I've been about a rim protector in Boston.  We have not had anyone that has this type of talent since??? I don't even know.  Don't get me wrong.  I love Theis and he is absolutely a rim protector but his ceiling is not as high as Williams.  Williams has the Defensive Ceiling of a Capela.  I believe his O will be better the Capela because Williams can hit 3's.  Now if he doesn't work hard, listen, and accept coaching he won't make it long in the league.  That goes for anyone.  There are plenty of talented big men that just don't develop because they don't care enough to put the time in.   This kid is immature and it seems more so then other's at the same age.  This is what people are attacking him for.  He needs to learn the professional side of basketball.  How to eat right, how to take care of your body, get your sleep, work your ass off.  Learn how to take care of the millions you are making.  If he can do that we will talking about how we got a steal a few years from now.  If not he may be the next James Young.  In 3 years he's lucky to get a camp invite.  I am excited for his potential but I know that comes with risks.

Share your enthusiasm, but Williams does not hit 3's!!
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: hwangjini_1 on September 20, 2018, 11:08:33 AM
in two years of college ball, williams shot 6.7% from three point range. that is not a typo.  ;D

he made 2 out of 30 three point attempts.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: ederson on September 20, 2018, 11:17:08 AM
in two years of college ball, williams shot 6.7% from three point range. that is not a typo.  ;D

he made 2 out of 30 three point attempts.

It doesn't matter... He has long arms and jumps high.. Things like putting the ball in the basket or passing it are irrelevant
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: rollie mass on September 20, 2018, 11:47:50 AM
2017-18 per 40 min
Steals 1.2
Blocks 4.1
points 17.3
rebounds 14.4
assts 2.2
fg% .632
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Vermont Green on September 20, 2018, 12:00:48 PM
in two years of college ball, williams shot 6.7% from three point range. that is not a typo.  ;D

he made 2 out of 30 three point attempts.

Anthony Davis was 3-27 from 3 for his first 3 full seasons (199 games).  He did develop some 3pt shot after that (31% for his career).  Larry Sanders was 0-5 from 3 for his career.

I don't know how Williams will turn out but the least of my concerns is his ability to hit the 3.  If in his 4th season, he starts to develop a 30%'ish 3 point shot, like Davis, that will be great.  First let's see if he is even in the NBA for his 4th season.  Most 27th picks aren't I don't think.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: footey on September 20, 2018, 12:03:13 PM
The most important thing is that he is now fully healthy, no more tendinitis issue.

He has been cleared for full 5 on 5 play without restriction.

Will be fun to see what Brad has in store for him. 

I continue to believe that he will get more minutes than most here are predicting.  I was equally bullish on Theis before last season, and nearly everyone then said "who"? 

The tape don't lie.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: rollie mass on September 20, 2018, 12:41:52 PM
When you love playing defense and have his elite tools i don't get why posters are 3 ballin it.
Robert was a college kid that got misused under coached and that isn't going to happen here
I have always thought young players coming in tortured there bodies -like red lining it until something very bad happened..
So all this extra time working out to build strength and work on understanding both sides of ball is a bonus.Be interesting to get some takes from the scrimmaging.



Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: hwangjini_1 on September 20, 2018, 01:54:42 PM
in two years of college ball, williams shot 6.7% from three point range. that is not a typo.  ;D

he made 2 out of 30 three point attempts.

It doesn't matter... He has long arms and jumps high.. Things like putting the ball in the basket or passing it are irrelevant
this was in response to tonydelk's statement that williams can shoot the 3 pointer. i agree with you, but my point lay elsewhere.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: ImShakHeIsShaq on September 20, 2018, 02:28:14 PM
in two years of college ball, williams shot 6.7% from three point range. that is not a typo.  ;D

he made 2 out of 30 three point attempts.

It doesn't matter... He has long arms and jumps high.. Things like putting the ball in the basket or passing it are irrelevant

I agree, it doesn't matter... a three isn't the only way to make a bucket. We want him to make the three, midrange at least, but he did put the ball in the basket. How was he around the rim, I don't have the stats but I think you would classify it as "putting the ball in the bucket."
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Eddie20 on September 20, 2018, 02:31:23 PM
2017-18 per 40 min
Steals 1.2
Blocks 4.1
points 17.3
rebounds 14.4
assts 2.2
fg% .632
ft% 47.1

Jordan Mickey's sophomore season stats per 40
Steals 1.1
Blocks 4.1
Points 17.7
Rebounds 11.4
Assists 1.5
FG% 50.4
FT% 64.6


You forgot to include Williams' FT % so I took the liberty of adding it for you.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: nickagneta on September 20, 2018, 02:41:11 PM
I think measurables for players are important but I think people put too much emphasis on them. The NBA history is littered with players with amazing measurables but just weren't good basketball players. The Celtics had a recent player that is a prime example of this in Jordan Mickey.

Height 6'8 1/2"
Weight: 238 lbs.
Wingspan: 7' 3 1/2"
Vertical Leap: 37 1/2"
Standing Reach: 8' 10"

He had excellent lateral speed. He was an elite shot blocker. He showed in college an ability to guard the perimeter. He had a good basketball IQ. He rebounded well. Going by all this his ceiling as a PF was high. He is a bad basketball player who's game doesn't translate well to the NBA.

Now I am not saying Williams will become Mickey or wash out of the NBA. I am very hopeful that Williams will be the next Capella. He definitely has that ceiling. More realistically I can see him becoming a good NBA starter in a few years, but we will see. He very well could become another in a long line of players chosen late in the 1st round or in the 2nd round that have elite measurables but doesn't become a good basketball players and have a short NBA career.

Measurables aren't everything.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Monkhouse on September 20, 2018, 03:04:09 PM
I think measurables for players are important but I think people put too much emphasis on them. The NBA history is littered with players with amazing measurables but just weren't good basketball players. The Celtics had a recent player that is a prime example of this in Jordan Mickey.

Height 6'8 1/2"
Weight: 238 lbs.
Wingspan: 7' 3 1/2"
Vertical Leap: 37 1/2"
Standing Reach: 8' 10"

He had excellent lateral speed. He was an elite shot blocker. He showed in college an ability to guard the perimeter. He had a good basketball IQ. He rebounded well. Going by all this his ceiling as a PF was high. He is a bad basketball player who's game doesn't translate well to the NBA.

Now I am not saying Williams will become Mickey or wash out of the NBA. I am very hopeful that Williams will be the next Capella. He definitely has that ceiling. More realistically I can see him becoming a good NBA starter in a few years, but we will see. He very well could become another in a long line of players chosen late in the 1st round or in the 2nd round that have elite measurables but doesn't become a good basketball players and have a short NBA career.

Measurables aren't everything.

Agreed but Williams is a 2× SEC Defensive Player of the Year (2017, 2018), which is far more impressive than anything Mickey has put up, especially since Mickey had a higher BPG rate %/BPG.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: nickagneta on September 20, 2018, 03:11:03 PM
I think measurables for players are important but I think people put too much emphasis on them. The NBA history is littered with players with amazing measurables but just weren't good basketball players. The Celtics had a recent player that is a prime example of this in Jordan Mickey.

Height 6'8 1/2"
Weight: 238 lbs.
Wingspan: 7' 3 1/2"
Vertical Leap: 37 1/2"
Standing Reach: 8' 10"

He had excellent lateral speed. He was an elite shot blocker. He showed in college an ability to guard the perimeter. He had a good basketball IQ. He rebounded well. Going by all this his ceiling as a PF was high. He is a bad basketball player who's game doesn't translate well to the NBA.

Now I am not saying Williams will become Mickey or wash out of the NBA. I am very hopeful that Williams will be the next Capella. He definitely has that ceiling. More realistically I can see him becoming a good NBA starter in a few years, but we will see. He very well could become another in a long line of players chosen late in the 1st round or in the 2nd round that have elite measurables but doesn't become a good basketball players and have a short NBA career.

Measurables aren't everything.

Agreed but Williams is a 2× SEC Defensive Player of the Year (2017, 2018), which is far more impressive than anything Mickey has put up, especially since Mickey had a higher BPG rate %/BPG.
Well Mickey was on the 2015 SEC All Defense 1st team and probably would have got SEC Defensive Player of the Year had Willie Cauley-Stein not been in the SEC.

And again, my point about Mickey wasn't to compare the players. It was just to point out that in many cases measurables mean very little.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Eddie20 on September 20, 2018, 03:14:15 PM
I think measurables for players are important but I think people put too much emphasis on them. The NBA history is littered with players with amazing measurables but just weren't good basketball players. The Celtics had a recent player that is a prime example of this in Jordan Mickey.

Height 6'8 1/2"
Weight: 238 lbs.
Wingspan: 7' 3 1/2"
Vertical Leap: 37 1/2"
Standing Reach: 8' 10"

He had excellent lateral speed. He was an elite shot blocker. He showed in college an ability to guard the perimeter. He had a good basketball IQ. He rebounded well. Going by all this his ceiling as a PF was high. He is a bad basketball player who's game doesn't translate well to the NBA.

Now I am not saying Williams will become Mickey or wash out of the NBA. I am very hopeful that Williams will be the next Capella. He definitely has that ceiling. More realistically I can see him becoming a good NBA starter in a few years, but we will see. He very well could become another in a long line of players chosen late in the 1st round or in the 2nd round that have elite measurables but doesn't become a good basketball players and have a short NBA career.

Measurables aren't everything.

Agreed but Williams is a 2× SEC Defensive Player of the Year (2017, 2018), which is far more impressive than anything Mickey has put up, especially since Mickey had a higher BPG rate %/BPG.

You sure?

Williams-
2× SEC Defensive Player of the Year (2017, 2018)
Second-team All-SEC (2017)
SEC All-Freshman Team (2017)
2× SEC All-Defensive Team (2017, 2018)

Mickey-
First-team All-SEC (2015)
Second-team All SEC (2014)
2× SEC All-Defensive Team (2014, 2015)
SEC All-Freshman Team (2014)
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on September 20, 2018, 03:25:06 PM
I think measurables for players are important but I think people put too much emphasis on them. The NBA history is littered with players with amazing measurables but just weren't good basketball players. The Celtics had a recent player that is a prime example of this in Jordan Mickey.

Height 6'8 1/2"
Weight: 238 lbs.
Wingspan: 7' 3 1/2"
Vertical Leap: 37 1/2"
Standing Reach: 8' 10"

He had excellent lateral speed. He was an elite shot blocker. He showed in college an ability to guard the perimeter. He had a good basketball IQ. He rebounded well. Going by all this his ceiling as a PF was high. He is a bad basketball player who's game doesn't translate well to the NBA.

Now I am not saying Williams will become Mickey or wash out of the NBA. I am very hopeful that Williams will be the next Capella. He definitely has that ceiling. More realistically I can see him becoming a good NBA starter in a few years, but we will see. He very well could become another in a long line of players chosen late in the 1st round or in the 2nd round that have elite measurables but doesn't become a good basketball players and have a short NBA career.

Measurables aren't everything.

Agreed but Williams is a 2× SEC Defensive Player of the Year (2017, 2018), which is far more impressive than anything Mickey has put up, especially since Mickey had a higher BPG rate %/BPG.

You sure?

Williams-
2× SEC Defensive Player of the Year (2017, 2018)
Second-team All-SEC (2017)
SEC All-Freshman Team (2017)
2× SEC All-Defensive Team (2017, 2018)

Mickey-
First-team All-SEC (2015)
Second-team All SEC (2014)
2× SEC All-Defensive Team (2014, 2015)
SEC All-Freshman Team (2014)

This is where player comparisons start to break down. His numbers and measurables were also comparable to Anthony Davis, but that isn't a good comparison either. Success at the collegiate level doesn't guarantee success in the NBA. I hoped Mickey would contribute, but he always seemed undersized, out-of-place on offense, and outmaned on defense.

I hope Row will learn to leverage his high level athleticism to success on the basketball court. Based on what I've seen, I think he could be a really good player.

His matchup game against Ayton made me a believer. 
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: footey on September 20, 2018, 04:38:00 PM
Eddie,

I usually agree with you on player assessment. Also I know you’re a real Celtics fan.

You seem overly negative about Williams. Thought you’d be excited about the pick and his potential.

Are you wait and see about this kid, or just think he’ll bust/disappoint?
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Eddie20 on September 20, 2018, 05:12:33 PM
Eddie,

I usually agree with you on player assessment. Also I know you’re a real Celtics fan.

You seem overly negative about Williams. Thought you’d be excited about the pick and his potential.

Are you wait and see about this kid, or just think he’ll bust/disappoint?


I actually like the pick. It was terrific value for where he was supposed to he selected. However, I
do have concerns about his knee (Ainge discussing his medical to Roziers and these couple of months of issues are flags), especially on a guy that's so athletically reliant. I also question his maturity and work ethic, things that have been labeled as weaknesses throughout the scouting process.

I don't think he'll be a contributor this year. He's just too raw and he doesn't strike me as a guy that is going to be picking up all the nuisances of the game like a Tatum did. Again, I think the earliest he'll be ready to contribute will be during the 19-20 season. Maybe even as a Theis (free agent that summer) replacement. To me that's a realistic scenario.

I do feel he's grossly overrated by many. Look no further than this very thread were he's being absurdly compared to a legend like Bill Russell. It's pretty ridiculous and insulting to the greatness of a legend.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: rollie mass on September 20, 2018, 05:12:36 PM
Jordon Mickey according to an article in draft express titled top prospect in SEC  claimed he measured twice at 6-7.5 in shoes and had a 7-2 wingspan.
Then there were articles at 6-8 and a 7-3 wingspan but a very average in their words 8-10 standing reach.
And Eddie no more altering my posts and reprinting it.That is not a liberty more like a transgression with your agenda.
Moderator that is not a liberty i grant-
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Eddie20 on September 20, 2018, 05:20:04 PM
Jordon Mickey according to an article in draft express titled top prospect in SEC  claimed he measured twice at 6-7.5 in shoes and had a 7-2 wingspan.
Then there were articles at 6-8 and a 7-3 wingspan but a very average in their words 8-10 standing reach.
And Eddie no more altering my posts and reprinting it.That is not a liberty more like a transgression with your agenda.
Moderator that is not a liberty i grant-

What are you talking about now? The free throw thing? If so, yes, you purposely omitted Williams grotesque free throw percentage during your statistical breakdown. I added it in order to give a better representation on the player.

Is that your issue? Was the free throw percentage I provided accurate?

Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: nickagneta on September 20, 2018, 05:23:18 PM
Jordon Mickey according to an article in draft express titled top prospect in SEC  claimed he measured twice at 6-7.5 in shoes and had a 7-2 wingspan.
Then there were articles at 6-8 and a 7-3 wingspan but a very average in their words 8-10 standing reach.
And Eddie no more altering my posts and reprinting it.That is not a liberty more like a transgression with your agenda.
Moderator that is not a liberty i grant-
1. Doesn't matter if you don't grant anyone the ability to quote you, people are allowed to quote and repost as long as they don't change the quote.

2. I am pretty sure the measurements you have on Mickey were from before college. The measurements I provided were straight from nba.com
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: rollie mass on September 20, 2018, 06:13:47 PM
The quote was changed he "took the liberty to add to it" then quoted it with his add on.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: rollie mass on September 20, 2018, 06:50:15 PM
2017-18 per 40 min
Steals 1.2
Blocks 4.1
points 17.3
rebounds 14.4
assts 2.2
fg% .632
ft% 47.1

Jordan Mickey's sophomore season stats per 40
Steals 1.1
Blocks 4.1
Points 17.7
Rebounds 11.4
Assists 1.5
FG% 50.4
FT% 64.6


You forgot to include Williams' FT % so I took the liberty of adding it for you.

As you can see he added free throw % to my original that didn't have it .Then quoted later under a heading as mine .That is not right-I remember him coming onto my messages and telling me how to post and that a group was upset over hyperbole I told him not to come on that sight and and he couldn't let it go...if he can alter my post and requote it as mine WHATS NEXT taking down retired numbers.
He tried his subterfuge  to discredit P3 and holding up combine as the grail-2015 and 2016 had multiple inconsistencies with verticals.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: playdream on September 20, 2018, 06:59:01 PM
Eddie,

I usually agree with you on player assessment. Also I know you’re a real Celtics fan.

You seem overly negative about Williams. Thought you’d be excited about the pick and his potential.

Are you wait and see about this kid, or just think he’ll bust/disappoint?


I actually like the pick. It was terrific value for where he was supposed to he selected. However, I
do have concerns about his knee (Ainge discussing his medical to Roziers and these couple of months of issues are flags), especially on a guy that's so athletically reliant. I also question his maturity and work ethic, things that have been labeled as weaknesses throughout the scouting process.

I don't think he'll be a contributor this year. He's just too raw and he doesn't strike me as a guy that is going to be picking up all the nuisances of the game like a Tatum did. Again, I think the earliest he'll be ready to contribute will be during the 19-20 season. Maybe even as a Theis (free agent that summer) replacement. To me that's a realistic scenario.

I do feel he's grossly overrated by many. Look no further than this very thread were he's being absurdly compared to a legend like Bill Russell. It's pretty ridiculous and insulting to the greatness of a legend.
Compare him to Russell isn't an insult on Russell but a praise of how high a potential this kid has

you're sleeping on him big time and your words will be eaten

Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Celtics4ever on September 20, 2018, 06:59:06 PM
Williams does not have to gather himself to jump every time like Jordan Mickey.   He also has superior reach and vertical.   He can leap quick, too.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: nickagneta on September 20, 2018, 07:00:42 PM
2017-18 per 40 min
Steals 1.2
Blocks 4.1
points 17.3
rebounds 14.4
assts 2.2
fg% .632
ft% 47.1

Jordan Mickey's sophomore season stats per 40
Steals 1.1
Blocks 4.1
Points 17.7
Rebounds 11.4
Assists 1.5
FG% 50.4
FT% 64.6


You forgot to include Williams' FT % so I took the liberty of adding it for you.

As you can see he added free throw % to my original that didn't have it .Then quoted later under a heading as mine .That is not right-I remember him coming onto my messages and telling me how to post and that a group was upset over hyperbole I told him not to come on that sight and and he couldn't let it go...if he can alter my post and requote it as mine WHATS NEXT taking down retired numbers.
He tried his subterfuge  to discredit P3 and holding up combine as the grail-2015 and 2016 had multiple inconsistencies with verticals.
Rollie, he quoted you correctly. I went back ten pages and he quoted you correctly every time he responded. He said he added to it to show the comparison of ft%. There is nothing wrong with that.

Now I have asked nicely for you two to stay away from each other. You continue to take swipes at Eddie and Eddie continues to respond to your posts. STAY AWAY FROM EACH OTHER!!! If I see either of you not adhering to this there will be suspensions. Long suspensions.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: rollie mass on September 20, 2018, 07:20:55 PM
Thank you-
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: positivitize on September 20, 2018, 07:29:14 PM
I guess what I'm saying is that I'd be surprised if he was a better NBA player than Tyler Zeller

Poor comparison.

Its not a comparison.

I guess what I'm saying is that I'd be surprised if he was a better NBA player than Tyler Zeller

For someone who's name stems from the words positive, you're not that much of a positive poster.  :P

But that is a VERY VERY lazy comparison.... You can do better.

It's not meant to be a comparison. They're different players. I just said it to express the sentiment that I would be surprised if Boo-Butt Williams were to have as successful a career as Tyler Zeller. Williams was picked about 10 spots later and is way less likely to stick.

Come on, guys. I know you're not allowed to compare black and white athletes to each other.

  /s
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: konkmv on September 20, 2018, 11:14:11 PM
If he works he will be much better than zeller.. i think the first thing for the celtics is to make  him adapt a role.. a defensive anchor would be nice for a start
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: tazzmaniac on September 21, 2018, 12:25:07 AM
I guess what I'm saying is that I'd be surprised if he was a better NBA player than Tyler Zeller

Poor comparison.

Its not a comparison.

I guess what I'm saying is that I'd be surprised if he was a better NBA player than Tyler Zeller

For someone who's name stems from the words positive, you're not that much of a positive poster.  :P

But that is a VERY VERY lazy comparison.... You can do better.

It's not meant to be a comparison. They're different players. I just said it to express the sentiment that I would be surprised if Boo-Butt Williams were to have as successful a career as Tyler Zeller. Williams was picked about 10 spots later and is way less likely to stick.

Come on, guys. I know you're not allowed to compare black and white athletes to each other.

  /s
If he puts in the work and isn't impacted by injuries, Williams should be much better than Zeller. 
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: footey on September 25, 2018, 03:11:05 PM
wondering what you guys thought about his interview media day.

Some feel it is still ambiguous regarding the state of his health, particularly his knee.

On one hand, he is playing 5 on 5. On the other hand, he is working closely with the trainers to get better every day, etc.

I must admit it is a somewhat mixed message. I hope he can go full throttle starting Friday night.  We shall see.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: konkmv on September 25, 2018, 03:14:10 PM
Trying to strengthen his knees to avoid injuries
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: playdream on September 25, 2018, 06:58:56 PM
wondering what you guys thought about his interview media day.

Some feel it is still ambiguous regarding the state of his health, particularly his knee.

On one hand, he is playing 5 on 5. On the other hand, he is working closely with the trainers to get better every day, etc.

I must admit it is a somewhat mixed message. I hope he can go full throttle starting Friday night.  We shall see.
I'm very satisfied, he isn't just playing 5 on 5 he is playing it for 3 weeks, it's hard to believe he isn't 100%

And man when he talked about what he learned it really shows his intelligence of basketball
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: mqtcelticsfan on September 25, 2018, 07:03:33 PM
I guess what I'm saying is that I'd be surprised if he was a better NBA player than Tyler Zeller

I think people are going to dramatically underestimate how hard it is to even have the career Zeller has and that will lead people to reject this despite the statistical probability of you being right.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: positivitize on September 25, 2018, 07:09:39 PM
I guess what I'm saying is that I'd be surprised if he was a better NBA player than Tyler Zeller

I think people are going to dramatically underestimate how hard it is to even have the career Zeller has and that will lead people to reject this despite the statistical probability of you being right.

Six-year NBA veteran who has played in 406 career games (165 starts) (https://www.nba.com/bucks/roster/tyler-zeller)

So Tyler Zeller has started in more than 1/4th of the games he's played in the NBA.

That's a tall order for a 27th pick. Hope Williams III can prove me wrong.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: playdream on September 25, 2018, 07:12:45 PM
I guess what I'm saying is that I'd be surprised if he was a better NBA player than Tyler Zeller

I think people are going to dramatically underestimate how hard it is to even have the career Zeller has and that will lead people to reject this despite the statistical probability of you being right.

Six-year NBA veteran who has played in 406 career games (165 starts) (https://www.nba.com/bucks/roster/tyler-zeller)

So Tyler Zeller has started in more than 1/4th of the games he's played in the NBA.

That's a tall order for a 27th pick. Hope Williams III can prove me wrong.
You should go watch some tapes of Williams and not just look at his slot, there is a reason people are saying he will be the steal of the draft
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: positivitize on September 25, 2018, 07:16:06 PM
You should go watch some tapes of Williams and not just look at his slot, there is a reason people are saying he will be the steal of the draft

I've already watched a ton of his College footage. I'm not only basing my evaluation on his draft positioning.

Like I said earlier, I really am rooting for this kid and would love to be wrong about him, but I was burned by Jordan Mickey and Zizic. I'll be hyped about a new Center when he actually performs in games.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: footey on September 29, 2018, 08:21:42 AM
How do you like me know?
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Sophomore on September 29, 2018, 08:32:36 AM
How do you like me know?

Raw, but really liked the energy level and the physical tools. He wasn’t always in position but he did not look lost and it’s obvious he can bother NBA players as a 1 on 1 defender.

To me he looks better than JJJ or Mickey ever did. Like he’ll fit in well as long as he keeps working.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: coco on September 29, 2018, 08:36:52 AM
If he ever becomes our version of Clinton Capela, then yes, he will be the steal of the draft
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: knuckleballer on September 29, 2018, 08:55:31 AM
He looked promising last night.  He's bigger than I expected.  He didn't have any blocks,, but he was disrupting shots and even caused an air balled three point attempt.  Smart is going to love throwing alley oops to him.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: rollie mass on September 29, 2018, 09:03:54 AM
Certainly didn't embarrass himself for first minutes in a NBA game.Showed his potential as a passer with bounce pass inside to Semi and bothered his share of shots.The fade away almost went and he set a lot of screens .A good effort.
Needs to work on upper body strength gets moved off boards.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Neurotic Guy on September 29, 2018, 09:21:14 AM
How do you like me know?

Raw, but really liked the energy level and the physical tools. He wasn’t always in position but he did not look lost and it’s obvious he can bother NBA players as a 1 on 1 defender.

To me he looks better than JJJ or Mickey ever did. Like he’ll fit in well as long as he keeps working.


Yes -- already looks better than some, but we obviously need to see more.  I thought maybe his best play was the high rebound he took of the rim off of a FT miss. I thought he was going to let the ball come to him and box for the board -- but he went up awfully quickly and snared the ball with a Hornet on his back.  Showed quickness, hands, and some situational awareness -- I'm not sure he would have easily gotten the board had he let it come to him.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: willyd24 on September 29, 2018, 09:24:58 AM
I liked what I saw from Robert last night. Looked aggressive on the boards and even drew a couple of fouls while fighting for rebounds. For all the talk about him having no jump shot his foul shots with the exception of the one actually looked pretty smooth. Did a good job tipping the ball away from one of the Hornet guards and was able to alter some shots.

I’d like to see him get some minutes with some of the first string guys to see how they mesh. I felt like the bench guys were getting him the ball at all to post up.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Roy H. on September 29, 2018, 10:08:44 AM
Lousy box score, but he showed good aggressiveness and made some plays. That one steal (which led to the fast break and the questionable Wanamaker charge) was really good.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: SHAQATTACK on September 29, 2018, 12:00:14 PM
he is likely to be a better shooter than Simmons ...who has no stoke or idea of what a smooth shot loks like.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: playdream on September 29, 2018, 12:22:29 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IZaT82mvkg
https://streamable.com/sxleq

Quick decision maker and good passer
Good hand and touch
Good feel for the game

Nothing i already knew besides he can play good team defense, made very good reads on switching and especially when or when not to help, he surely has the ability to anchor a defense, going to thrive in Brad's read and react system
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: liam on September 29, 2018, 12:30:10 PM
Lousy box score, but he showed good aggressiveness and made some plays. That one steal (which led to the fast break and the questionable Wanamaker charge) was really good.

Yeah, I can't believe they didn't give Williams one block. I thought I counted two including that one on Zeller from the 3 point line.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: ManUp on September 29, 2018, 12:48:03 PM
His physical tools jumped out at me immediately.

He's Bigger and lankier then I realized, seems to be light on his feet and gets off the ground with little to no effort. I'm super excited to have such a fluid athlete at that size on our team. The defensive instincts seem to be there for the most part. It seems he chose not to rotate over on some drives, but I'm not certain if that was the game plan or his own lack of effort/energy.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: liam on September 29, 2018, 01:00:15 PM
His physical tools jumped out at me immediately.

He's Bigger and lankier then I realized, seems to be light on his feet and gets off the ground with little to no effort. I'm super excited to have such a fluid athlete at that size on our team. The defensive instincts seem to be there for the most part. It seems he chose not to rotate over on some drives, but I'm not certain if that was the game plan or his own lack of effort/energy.

He looked like players were going away from Williams, afraid of his defense. It was a small sample size but he changed the game when he was in. Someone needs to get him the ball when he's in. I liked his quick passing. He looks like he'll get a few minutes a game right off the bat.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: footey on September 29, 2018, 01:02:57 PM
Lousy box score, but he showed good aggressiveness and made some plays. That one steal (which led to the fast break and the questionable Wanamaker charge) was really good.

Yeah, I can't believe they didn't give Williams one block. I thought I counted two including that one on Zeller from the 3 point line.

Could swear that was a block. Shot fell well short of the rim.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Celtics4ever on September 29, 2018, 02:02:22 PM
He needs to get some discipline on his shot blocking.   He can get up quick and jump well but that does not good on the bench with tons of fouls.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: SHAQATTACK on September 29, 2018, 02:15:12 PM
His physical tools jumped out at me immediately.

He's Bigger and lankier then I realized, seems to be light on his feet and gets off the ground with little to no effort. I'm super excited to have such a fluid athlete at that size on our team. The defensive instincts seem to be there for the most part. It seems he chose not to rotate over on some drives, but I'm not certain if that was the game plan or his own lack of effort/energy.

He looked like players were going away from Williams, afraid of his defense. It was a small sample size but he changed the game when he was in. Someone needs to get him the ball when he's in. I liked his quick passing. He looks like he'll get a few minutes a game right off the bat.

yeah ...i liked his quick thinking on passing ....very impressive .....so many of our drafted bigs have just looked lost , game moving too fast to make a quick decision with leads to a errnat pass or turn over. .   He naybe smarter than portrayed, lest basketball wise.
I think he will look even better with Smart , Irving , Morris and Horford.   
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: playdream on September 29, 2018, 04:49:50 PM
He needs to get some discipline on his shot blocking.   He can get up quick and jump well but that does not good on the bench with tons of fouls.
Actually he was known to defend without fouling in college
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Celtics4ever on September 29, 2018, 05:16:42 PM
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Actually he was known to defend without fouling in college

The way he is flailing at every shot won't work in the pros.   The pro game and college are different just ask Danny Ferry...
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: rollie mass on September 29, 2018, 06:32:13 PM
 In 9 minutes the kid altered shots,set screens and re screens on almost every play,forced a turnover with quick hands,bottled a player in the corner with his quick lateral and length contributing to a 24 second violation.Got up for an offensive rebound over Hernangomez and drew a foul.
Made a bullet bounce pass underneath to semi and dumped a pass to Yabusele-i have seen that same pass to his center at Texas AM.
He missed a lob dunk because of a bad pass..And missed a fade away in lane-the kid has a soft touch.
He caused a Kaminsky air ball and altered other shots
And the not to forget the simple, effective, Horford like pass from top of key into low post to Yabusele
Williams hit 3 of 4 foul shots.

In Summer League he hit a mid range with a short clock,a dunk,went baseline and put up a very in control soft floater, again with clock running down.So in a total of thirteen minutes as a pro Williams has shown a variety of plays that showed court awareness,perimeter disruption,ability to switch. pick and roll lob target,passing ability and  motor.,

The kid has Horford as mentor and is surrounded by hard working young guys with a defensive mindset.He has shown perimeter skill.lateral mobility,a flash of passing and  BBIQ.
That's what i saw and then re watched in slow motion.
He was anything but lost.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: rollie mass on October 01, 2018, 03:46:24 AM
If you want lobster go to Legal-not Maine
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: playdream on October 01, 2018, 05:16:40 AM
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Actually he was known to defend without fouling in college

The way he is flailing at every shot won't work in the pros.   The pro game and college are different just ask Danny Ferry...
Don't know if we are watching the same game.. the beauty of having LONG arms is you can defend without fouling
He ain't Kelly Olynk
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: gouki88 on October 01, 2018, 06:51:59 AM
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Actually he was known to defend without fouling in college

The way he is flailing at every shot won't work in the pros.   The pro game and college are different just ask Danny Ferry...
Don't know if we are watching the same game.. the beauty of having LONG arms is you can defend without fouling
He ain't Kelly Olynk
I don't miss the days of Olynyk and Zeller at all, lol
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Androslav on October 01, 2018, 06:55:51 AM
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Actually he was known to defend without fouling in college

The way he is flailing at every shot won't work in the pros.   The pro game and college are different just ask Danny Ferry...
Don't know if we are watching the same game.. the beauty of having LONG arms is you can defend without fouling
He ain't Kelly Olynk
I don't miss the days of Olynyk and Zeller at all, lol
Me neither.
Their consistency was as firm as of a wet white sock.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Celtics4ever on October 01, 2018, 07:54:20 AM
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Don't know if we are watching the same game.. the beauty of having LONG arms is you can defend without fouling
He ain't Kelly Olynk


I am 6-7 with a 6-11 wingspan and it is pretty clear that you have no idea, what advantages long give you.  It gives you the ability to deceive defenders in thinking their safe so you can get passes and block and alter shots.   It lets you play bigger than your height.   But it really has nothing to do with not fouling.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Sophomore on October 01, 2018, 07:55:02 AM
In 9 minutes the kid altered shots,set screens and re screens on almost every play,forced a turnover with quick hands,bottled a player in the corner with his quick lateral and length contributing to a 24 second violation.Got up for an offensive rebound over Hernangomez and drew a foul.
He caused a Kaminsky air ball and altered other shots
And the not to forget the simple, effective, Horford like pass from top of key into low post to Yabusele
Williams hit 3 of 4 foul shots.


Liked all the observations but especially wanted to pick these out. What doesn't show up in the box scores are the screens, rescreens, altered shots, and Charlotte players who just wanted no part of him and passed the ball rather than challenge him. There were a bunch of close-in shots that Williams turned into misses with his presence. Very, very promising.

One thing I don't know if you saw Rollie - at least twice defending a pick and roll, Williams ended up in a double-team on the Hornets ballhandler - he switched onto the ball after his man set a pick and the Celtic guard who was guarding the ball fought over or around the pick to stay on the ball. The result was a very high double-team and the Charlotte big slipping directly to the hoop for an easy bucket. The double didn't look planned - it wasn't an aggressive trap and allowed the pass to get to the rolling big. Wasn't sure whose fault that was - scheme, RWill, Celtic guard? Maybe the communication just wasn't there.

I think his position was generally good, but that was a little out of whack.

Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: mmmmm on October 01, 2018, 08:03:04 AM
In 9 minutes the kid altered shots,set screens and re screens on almost every play,forced a turnover with quick hands,bottled a player in the corner with his quick lateral and length contributing to a 24 second violation.Got up for an offensive rebound over Hernangomez and drew a foul.
He caused a Kaminsky air ball and altered other shots
And the not to forget the simple, effective, Horford like pass from top of key into low post to Yabusele
Williams hit 3 of 4 foul shots.


Liked all the observations but especially wanted to pick these out. What doesn't show up in the box scores are the screens, rescreens, altered shots, and Charlotte players who just wanted no part of him and passed the ball rather than challenge him. There were a bunch of close-in shots that Williams turned into misses with his presence. Very, very promising.

One thing I don't know if you saw Rollie - at least twice defending a pick and roll, Williams ended up in a double-team on the Hornets ballhandler - he switched onto the ball after his man set a pick and the Celtic guard who was guarding the ball fought over or around the pick to stay on the ball. The result was a very high double-team and the Charlotte big slipping directly to the hoop for an easy bucket. The double didn't look planned - it wasn't an aggressive trap and allowed the pass to get to the rolling big. Wasn't sure whose fault that was - scheme, RWill, Celtic guard? Maybe the communication just wasn't there.

I think his position was generally good, but that was a little out of whack.

To my eye, the 'deep-deep-bench' lineup that we put out there at the end of each game didn't look like they knew how to play together as a unit up until around the last 3-4 minutes of last night's game.  In the first game and their earlier moments of the second game, they looked like a collection of random individuals who were strangers to each other.

I think though, during the last tiny handful of minutes they seemed to finally start to click, showing much better awareness of each other and where each was supposed to be on the court.  Much better passing and much better help.   That, to me, was the biggest difference in the outcome of the two games.

Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: rollie mass on October 01, 2018, 08:23:47 AM
 I was impressed with Roberts double team out deep and his quickness laterally. You can feel his aggressive enjoyment as he challenges guards.Shut down a small forward/guard in corner first game forcing 24 second violation..His length and quick feet stopped it dead.
Being Celtics centric, the center position has been ill equipped to perform at Williams type level.
Willie Cauley Stein was touted to guard 1-5 but i have never watched him play,is Capella as quick on perimeter as Williams ?
It's easy to be impressed after Zeller,Kelly,Amir and Sully.AND then against Charlotte bench.Was Nerlens as active on perimeter?
This kid picked at 27 is not a reflection of his specific elite tools on defensive end.
So if his  skills translate  under specific circumstances why send him to Maine except for a run after lengthy string of DNP's.
These 8 minute runs might just do the trick rather risking injury or flare up of tendonitis.



Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: mmmmm on October 01, 2018, 09:00:41 AM
The thing I find myself watching with young bigs is their feet.  Overall, I thought Williams had very good footwork.   Very quick and he keeps his weight between his toes, allowing him to change directions and move explosively.  He rarely gets caught with his weight taking him out of a play.

This (good footwork) is probably the most important skill aspect that leads to more frequent and effective shot contention.   Long arms are just the final part of it that people see at the culmination.  But long arms aren't contesting a shot if you body isn't where it needs to be.

Al Horford is by no means the longest big man in the NBA and yet, because he has absolutely brilliant feet, he was arguably the best at shot contention in the league last year.  He was among the top few in number of shots defended and just crushed with his defensive FG% differential.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: playdream on October 01, 2018, 09:05:40 AM
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Don't know if we are watching the same game.. the beauty of having LONG arms is you can defend without fouling
He ain't Kelly Olynk


I am 6-7 with a 6-11 wingspan and it is pretty clear that you have no idea, what advantages long give you.  It gives you the ability to deceive defenders in thinking their safe so you can get passes and block and alter shots.   It lets you play bigger than your height.   But it really has nothing to do with not fouling.
It's clear you don't know how to fully use your wingspan to avoid fouling but ok ;)
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: footey on October 01, 2018, 12:16:27 PM
Williams is very raw.

But I suspect Brad will find him meaningful minutes this season, early on.
 
As I stated previously, I expect him to be used about as much as we saw Semi used last season. In fact, I would be unsurprised if he gets more minutes than Semi this season. He can do things that Semi cannot. What remains to be seen is if he can hold his ground against strong post up guys the way that Semi could. Maybe not.

What really excites me about Williams is the prospect of grooming him for one thing in particular: 

Defending Kevin Durant 1 on 1.   Until now, we simply have not had a guy both long enough and athletic enough to do that. Jaylen has had good moments defending Durant (remember him blocking his shot in Garden last season?? Sweet),but in the course of a 7 game series, you need someone who can be delegated to guard him. 

The Rockets did this with Cappella with some limited success last season in the play-offs. But my eye test tells me that Williams is superior to Capella in terms of lateral quickness. He could really frustrate him.

Williams will need to go through a lot of mistakes to get there.  He still goes too easily for head fakes, for example. But that will come with experience.  The Celtics need to give him as much real game experience now at the senior circuit level now.

Forget the Red Claws.  I hope he spends very little time down there. It will be far more valuable to this team to give him a lot of experience defending long guys like Greek Freak, Durant, so that come play off time, we have our secret formula for beating the Warriors: NEUTRALIZE DURANT.  I watched them play pre-season the other night, and they are still amazing.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Sophomore on October 01, 2018, 01:20:47 PM

What really excites me about Williams is the prospect of grooming him for one thing in particular: 

Defending Kevin Durant 1 on 1.   Until now, we simply have not had a guy both long enough and athletic enough to do that. Jaylen has had good moments defending Durant (remember him blocking his shot in Garden last season?? Sweet),but in the course of a 7 game series, you need someone who can be delegated to guard him. 


This I hadn't thought of, but you have me interested. Durant is awfully crafty but who knows? Look at what Semi did to Giannis. At least Williams won't be outclassed athletically or on length.

Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: moiso on October 01, 2018, 02:47:26 PM
I see Williams as a center who has the quickness to switch onto smaller guys amazingly well.  I don’t see him guarding a perimeter scorer like Durant full time.  I’d much rather have Brown and Semi guard him.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Vermont Green on October 01, 2018, 03:17:51 PM
I see Williams as a center who has the quickness to switch onto smaller guys amazingly well.  I don’t see him guarding a perimeter scorer like Durant full time.  I’d much rather have Brown and Semi guard him.

I don't think defense is as simple as saying this guy covers that guy.  They will just do a pick and roll and make you switch or wait until you need to sag off.  William appears to be a very good asset to have in the arsenal but he won't be on the court enough at this point.  Maybe some day but right now, you aren't going to play him just for his defense.  He doesn't have enough else yet.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: blink on October 01, 2018, 03:38:54 PM
Williams is very raw.

But I suspect Brad will find him meaningful minutes this season, early on.
 
As I stated previously, I expect him to be used about as much as we saw Semi used last season. In fact, I would be unsurprised if he gets more minutes than Semi this season. He can do things that Semi cannot. What remains to be seen is if he can hold his ground against strong post up guys the way that Semi could. Maybe not.

What really excites me about Williams is the prospect of grooming him for one thing in particular: 

Defending Kevin Durant 1 on 1.   Until now, we simply have not had a guy both long enough and athletic enough to do that. Jaylen has had good moments defending Durant (remember him blocking his shot in Garden last season?? Sweet),but in the course of a 7 game series, you need someone who can be delegated to guard him. 

The Rockets did this with Cappella with some limited success last season in the play-offs. But my eye test tells me that Williams is superior to Capella in terms of lateral quickness. He could really frustrate him.

Williams will need to go through a lot of mistakes to get there.  He still goes too easily for head fakes, for example. But that will come with experience.  The Celtics need to give him as much real game experience now at the senior circuit level now.

Forget the Red Claws.  I hope he spends very little time down there. It will be far more valuable to this team to give him a lot of experience defending long guys like Greek Freak, Durant, so that come play off time, we have our secret formula for beating the Warriors: NEUTRALIZE DURANT.  I watched them play pre-season the other night, and they are still amazing.

At first when I was reading your post, I was almost ready to reject the idea, but looking back at some of Williams videos (and watching him play yesterday) + thinking about it a bit more I honestly see your point now.  As a 10-12 min per game change of pace dedicated Durant defender or dedicated Durant switcher - Williams could be helpful IF he gets his overall def IQ up to the point where he isn't a liability for team def.  He obviously isn't there yet.  A year of work under Brad could he get there?  Yes maybe.

I also like the idea of him staying with the big boys.  I don't think he is going to learn what he needs to learn in Maine.  The game isn't too fast for him, he doesn't need to develop his body, he isn't going to be a main scorer anytime soon, so some of the reasons you send kids to Maine maybe aren't as valid with Williams skill set.  I know PT is the big question.

Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: blink on October 01, 2018, 03:42:40 PM
I see Williams as a center who has the quickness to switch onto smaller guys amazingly well.  I don’t see him guarding a perimeter scorer like Durant full time.  I’d much rather have Brown and Semi guard him.

I don't think defense is as simple as saying this guy covers that guy.  They will just do a pick and roll and make you switch or wait until you need to sag off.  William appears to be a very good asset to have in the arsenal but he won't be on the court enough at this point.  Maybe some day but right now, you aren't going to play him just for his defense.  He doesn't have enough else yet.

But say if he is the 9th /10th / 11th man in the rotation does he even need to have anything else?

He isn't going to play before Rozier / Smart / Morris/ Baynes....but maybe for certain games he plays before Theis.  Maybe games that one of Horford / Baynes are out he plays decent minutes.  It is a long season, I would have to think he will get a chance at decent minutes if he shows cont improved with def switches and team D.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: CelticsElite on October 01, 2018, 03:45:11 PM
The thing with Williams that will help him is his wing span. Similarly to tatums first time PLaying nba defense, his ridiculous wing span could cover for not switching on defenss correctly
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: blink on October 01, 2018, 03:53:13 PM
The thing with Williams that will help him is his wing span. Similarly to tatums first time PLaying nba defense, his ridiculous wing span could cover for not switching on defenss correctly

absolutely.  or getting beat one on one.  if you get beat along the baseline and your arms are 5 inches longer recovering to get the block from behind is possible for you when it isn't for other defenders.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Big333223 on October 01, 2018, 04:54:16 PM
The thing with Williams that will help him is his wing span. Similarly to tatums first time PLaying nba defense, his ridiculous wing span could cover for not switching on defenss correctly

absolutely.  or getting beat one on one.  if you get beat along the baseline and your arms are 5 inches longer recovering to get the block from behind is possible for you when it isn't for other defenders.

Wingspan combined with athleticism. So far it looks like he'll be able to stay in front of a lot of people if he's willing to stick to it.

The thing I like most about him is how much he talks about liking defense. Someone with his physical makeup, if that desire is truly there, should always have a place in the NBA.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: liam on October 01, 2018, 04:57:50 PM
The thing with Williams that will help him is his wing span. Similarly to tatums first time PLaying nba defense, his ridiculous wing span could cover for not switching on defenss correctly

absolutely.  or getting beat one on one.  if you get beat along the baseline and your arms are 5 inches longer recovering to get the block from behind is possible for you when it isn't for other defenders.

See Olynyk, Kelly...
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: playdream on October 01, 2018, 05:32:17 PM
Williams is very raw.

But I suspect Brad will find him meaningful minutes this season, early on.
 
As I stated previously, I expect him to be used about as much as we saw Semi used last season. In fact, I would be unsurprised if he gets more minutes than Semi this season. He can do things that Semi cannot. What remains to be seen is if he can hold his ground against strong post up guys the way that Semi could. Maybe not.

What really excites me about Williams is the prospect of grooming him for one thing in particular: 

Defending Kevin Durant 1 on 1.   Until now, we simply have not had a guy both long enough and athletic enough to do that. Jaylen has had good moments defending Durant (remember him blocking his shot in Garden last season?? Sweet),but in the course of a 7 game series, you need someone who can be delegated to guard him. 

The Rockets did this with Cappella with some limited success last season in the play-offs. But my eye test tells me that Williams is superior to Capella in terms of lateral quickness. He could really frustrate him.

Williams will need to go through a lot of mistakes to get there.  He still goes too easily for head fakes, for example. But that will come with experience.  The Celtics need to give him as much real game experience now at the senior circuit level now.

Forget the Red Claws.  I hope he spends very little time down there. It will be far more valuable to this team to give him a lot of experience defending long guys like Greek Freak, Durant, so that come play off time, we have our secret formula for beating the Warriors: NEUTRALIZE DURANT.  I watched them play pre-season the other night, and they are still amazing.
Surprised someone came to the same thought as me

He can spend this whole year only to focus on how to play against the Warriors(it won't be only KD since they will switch) not only on D but on both ends of floor, he will be absolutely capable of guarding Curry-Klay-KD-Green ,Cousins will be the problem since he isn't ready to face strong postup bigs, but then you can always put Baynes on those.

For me the bigman rotation according to matchups should be(in that order)
Against small ball:AL-Rob-Theis as the only 5
Against bigC who postup:Baynes as 5, AL-Theis as 4
so they should all get plenty mins

Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: csfansince60s on October 01, 2018, 06:40:35 PM
Great Abby Chin tweet:

Quote
[Chin] After a couple missteps to start his #Celtics career, Robert Williams told me he got here really early today. Said he knew the #Pats were playing and didn’t want to deal with in traffic. When I told him Foxboro isn’t close to here, he said, “ I didn’t want to take any chances!



Kid seems genuine....rooting hard for him
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Eddie20 on October 01, 2018, 06:52:48 PM
Williams is very raw.

But I suspect Brad will find him meaningful minutes this season, early on.
 
As I stated previously, I expect him to be used about as much as we saw Semi used last season. In fact, I would be unsurprised if he gets more minutes than Semi this season. He can do things that Semi cannot. What remains to be seen is if he can hold his ground against strong post up guys the way that Semi could. Maybe not.

What really excites me about Williams is the prospect of grooming him for one thing in particular: 

Defending Kevin Durant 1 on 1.   Until now, we simply have not had a guy both long enough and athletic enough to do that. Jaylen has had good moments defending Durant (remember him blocking his shot in Garden last season?? Sweet),but in the course of a 7 game series, you need someone who can be delegated to guard him. 

The Rockets did this with Cappella with some limited success last season in the play-offs. But my eye test tells me that Williams is superior to Capella in terms of lateral quickness. He could really frustrate him.

Williams will need to go through a lot of mistakes to get there.  He still goes too easily for head fakes, for example. But that will come with experience.  The Celtics need to give him as much real game experience now at the senior circuit level now.

Forget the Red Claws.  I hope he spends very little time down there. It will be far more valuable to this team to give him a lot of experience defending long guys like Greek Freak, Durant, so that come play off time, we have our secret formula for beating the Warriors: NEUTRALIZE DURANT.  I watched them play pre-season the other night, and they are still amazing.
Surprised someone came to the same thought as me

He can spend this whole year only to focus on how to play against the Warriors(it won't be only KD since they will switch) not only on D but on both ends of floor, he will be absolutely capable of guarding Curry-Klay-KD-Green ,Cousins will be the problem since he isn't ready to face strong postup bigs, but then you can always put Baynes on those.

For me the bigman rotation according to matchups should be(in that order)
Against small ball:AL-Rob-Theis as the only 5
Against bigC who postup:Baynes as 5, AL-Theis as 4
so they should all get plenty mins


So then I take it you think Baynes should not be in the rotation for 66% of the games?
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: gouki88 on October 01, 2018, 06:57:42 PM
Great Abby Chin tweet:

Quote
[Chin] After a couple missteps to start his #Celtics career, Robert Williams told me he got here really early today. Said he knew the #Pats were playing and didn’t want to deal with in traffic. When I told him Foxboro isn’t close to here, he said, “ I didn’t want to take any chances!



Kid seems genuine....rooting hard for him
Haha, good story
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Neurotic Guy on October 01, 2018, 07:08:12 PM
The thing with Williams that will help him is his wing span. Similarly to tatums first time PLaying nba defense, his ridiculous wing span could cover for not switching on defenss correctly

absolutely.  or getting beat one on one.  if you get beat along the baseline and your arms are 5 inches longer recovering to get the block from behind is possible for you when it isn't for other defenders.

Wingspan combined with athleticism. So far it looks like he'll be able to stay in front of a lot of people if he's willing to stick to it.

The thing I like most about him is how much he talks about liking defense. Someone with his physical makeup, if that desire is truly there, should always have a place in the NBA.
I believe this is what makes Marcus Smart so valuable to this team: He fosters a culture of defense. 
Did you see Marcus' reaction last night when Dozier made Smart-like defensive play diving for the loose ball?   With Al, Baynes, Theis and Marcus -- Rob will have mentors on this team that could make him a defensive beast. 
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: gouki88 on October 01, 2018, 07:25:28 PM
The thing with Williams that will help him is his wing span. Similarly to tatums first time PLaying nba defense, his ridiculous wing span could cover for not switching on defenss correctly

absolutely.  or getting beat one on one.  if you get beat along the baseline and your arms are 5 inches longer recovering to get the block from behind is possible for you when it isn't for other defenders.

Wingspan combined with athleticism. So far it looks like he'll be able to stay in front of a lot of people if he's willing to stick to it.

The thing I like most about him is how much he talks about liking defense. Someone with his physical makeup, if that desire is truly there, should always have a place in the NBA.
I believe this is what makes Marcus Smart so valuable to this team: He fosters a culture of defense. 
Did you see Marcus' reaction last night when Dozier made Smart-like defensive play diving for the loose ball?   With Al, Baynes, Theis and Marcus -- Rob will have mentors on this team that could make him a defensive beast.
Yeah, you could also see this by his mere presence when he stepped on the court. All of a sudden our defence amped up.

I've actually liked Dozier a bit. His pass to Williams for a dunk (I think it was these two) was nice
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: IDreamCeltics on October 01, 2018, 08:01:16 PM
Not a good sign that Williams looked like he couldn't handle the NBA pre-season pace.

Seemed tired, slow on the break and awkward with his movements.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: gouki88 on October 01, 2018, 08:06:36 PM
Not a good sign that Williams looked like he couldn't handle the NBA pre-season pace.

Seemed tired, slow on the break and awkward with his movements.
First time I've seen this take
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: csfansince60s on October 01, 2018, 08:07:05 PM
Not a good sign that Williams looked like he couldn't handle the NBA pre-season pace.

Seemed tired, slow on the break and awkward with his movements.

Lots of guys name Williams in the NBA......are you talking about Robert Williams??

Looked pretty agile and straight line fast and willing to run to me.

Did you see that block of a 3, then running on the break, getting fed the ball and then that nifty touch drop pass to his teammate (Yabs?, not sure) for the finish?

EDIT: You can check that out (at the 1:39 mark)and more here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8CKTl1RaLU
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: nickagneta on October 01, 2018, 08:16:10 PM
Not a good sign that Williams looked like he couldn't handle the NBA pre-season pace.

Seemed tired, slow on the break and awkward with his movements.
First time I've seen this take
Yeah. I didn't see this in Williams at all. By the end of the game I thought he and his team mates were in a good flow. I am sure he isn't good enough to break the rotation, but he definitely did not look tired, slow or awkward.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: gouki88 on October 01, 2018, 08:23:58 PM
Not a good sign that Williams looked like he couldn't handle the NBA pre-season pace.

Seemed tired, slow on the break and awkward with his movements.
First time I've seen this take
Yeah. I didn't see this in Williams at all. By the end of the game I thought he and his team mates were in a good flow. I am sure he isn't good enough to break the rotation, but he definitely did not look tired, slow or awkward.
Yeah, if anything I thought over the first couple of games he's looked a little on edge, putting a bit too much zing in his passes (although his passing instincts are really promising), and running all over the place. For a #27 pick I really like what I've seen. Already better than Mickey and Fab Melo, imo
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: footey on October 01, 2018, 08:31:52 PM
Brad mentioned after the game he got gassed in third quarter. He got pulled out then. Came back in and seemed better.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: moiso on October 01, 2018, 08:58:06 PM
I’ve loved what I’ve seen from his body physically but I have definitely seen him out of breath and huffing and puffing a few times. 
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: rollie mass on October 02, 2018, 12:15:23 PM
Was that after running the court getting a bad lead pass and saving it from going out of bounds as he flung it to Kyrie. Then had to run back after Kyrie couldn't field his under the basket falling out of bounds pass
He had the presence of mind too sling it line drive low because of backboard.
Robert probably needed to get a 2nd wind.

After his partial block, there was no hesitation he took off up court.So for me it wasn't the blocked shot or the character assist, It was how quickly he reacted and got back up court. I may get this rubbed in my face but his passing instincts and court awareness for having so little time seem to show a very good BBIQ.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Timdawgg on October 02, 2018, 12:59:31 PM
I’ve loved what I’ve seen from his body physically but I have definitely seen him out of breath and huffing and puffing a few times.
I think for me, in a weird way, that makes me happier. It means he is putting in effort. And there is no comparison between practice and actual gameplay at the top level. You want them to go all out every second if possible which it seems he was. The conditioning will eventually come but if he is out there always busting his butt that is preferable and that is why he was gassed. All good stuff in my eyes.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: smokeablount on October 02, 2018, 01:19:45 PM
I’ve loved what I’ve seen from his body physically but I have definitely seen him out of breath and huffing and puffing a few times.
I think for me, in a weird way, that makes me happier. It means he is putting in effort. And there is no comparison between practice and actual gameplay at the top level. You want them to go all out every second if possible which it seems he was. The conditioning will eventually come but if he is out there always busting his butt that is preferable and that is why he was gassed. All good stuff in my eyes.

TP
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: moiso on October 02, 2018, 01:21:58 PM
Was that after running the court getting a bad lead pass and saving it from going out of bounds as he flung it to Kyrie. Then had to run back after Kyrie couldn't field his under the basket falling out of bounds pass
He had the presence of mind too sling it line drive low because of backboard.
Robert probably needed to get a 2nd wind.

After his partial block, there was no hesitation he took off up court.So for me it wasn't the blocked shot or the character assist, It was how quickly he reacted and got back up court. I may get this rubbed in my face but his passing instincts and court awareness for having so little time seem to show a very good BBIQ.
So far it looks like you are right.  I can almost see more of a Joakim Noah type rather than the Clint Capela type he is projected to be.  He’s been very unselfish so far.  Some of his passes may partially be because he’s out of breath, but we’ll see.  I’ll take his looking to pass as a positive thing so far.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on October 02, 2018, 01:43:10 PM
His feel is really good. I don't think he will ever be as skilled as Horford, but I could see him developing the same feel that Horford has. I could see guards being a lot better with Williams on the court, just like many guards have been better with Horford.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: footey on October 02, 2018, 01:54:48 PM
Nice article about RW3 in today's Boston Herald  by Mark Murphy:

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/celtics/2018/10/rookie_robert_williams_delivers_late_in_garden_debut

You can see Al and Kyrie already like the guy.

I particularly like how Kyrie singled out the fact that Williams could have gone in for a slam dunk winning hoop, but instead fed the ball to Yabu for the easy lay in.  Playing team ball.  His team-mates admire that.  Showed maturity as a player, IMO.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: playdream on October 02, 2018, 03:05:14 PM
Williams is very raw.

But I suspect Brad will find him meaningful minutes this season, early on.
 
As I stated previously, I expect him to be used about as much as we saw Semi used last season. In fact, I would be unsurprised if he gets more minutes than Semi this season. He can do things that Semi cannot. What remains to be seen is if he can hold his ground against strong post up guys the way that Semi could. Maybe not.

What really excites me about Williams is the prospect of grooming him for one thing in particular: 

Defending Kevin Durant 1 on 1.   Until now, we simply have not had a guy both long enough and athletic enough to do that. Jaylen has had good moments defending Durant (remember him blocking his shot in Garden last season?? Sweet),but in the course of a 7 game series, you need someone who can be delegated to guard him. 

The Rockets did this with Cappella with some limited success last season in the play-offs. But my eye test tells me that Williams is superior to Capella in terms of lateral quickness. He could really frustrate him.

Williams will need to go through a lot of mistakes to get there.  He still goes too easily for head fakes, for example. But that will come with experience.  The Celtics need to give him as much real game experience now at the senior circuit level now.

Forget the Red Claws.  I hope he spends very little time down there. It will be far more valuable to this team to give him a lot of experience defending long guys like Greek Freak, Durant, so that come play off time, we have our secret formula for beating the Warriors: NEUTRALIZE DURANT.  I watched them play pre-season the other night, and they are still amazing.
Surprised someone came to the same thought as me

He can spend this whole year only to focus on how to play against the Warriors(it won't be only KD since they will switch) not only on D but on both ends of floor, he will be absolutely capable of guarding Curry-Klay-KD-Green ,Cousins will be the problem since he isn't ready to face strong postup bigs, but then you can always put Baynes on those.

For me the bigman rotation according to matchups should be(in that order)
Against small ball:AL-Rob-Theis as the only 5
Against bigC who postup:Baynes as 5, AL-Theis as 4
so they should all get plenty mins


So then I take it you think Baynes should not be in the rotation for 66% of the games?
Don't know about 66% but yes he should not play all that much compare to last season

I remember Hornets got whatever they want in the paint last game with Baynes on the floor,
it's not he isn't good it's just a matchup thing
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Eddie20 on October 02, 2018, 04:03:47 PM
Williams is very raw.

But I suspect Brad will find him meaningful minutes this season, early on.
 
As I stated previously, I expect him to be used about as much as we saw Semi used last season. In fact, I would be unsurprised if he gets more minutes than Semi this season. He can do things that Semi cannot. What remains to be seen is if he can hold his ground against strong post up guys the way that Semi could. Maybe not.

What really excites me about Williams is the prospect of grooming him for one thing in particular: 

Defending Kevin Durant 1 on 1.   Until now, we simply have not had a guy both long enough and athletic enough to do that. Jaylen has had good moments defending Durant (remember him blocking his shot in Garden last season?? Sweet),but in the course of a 7 game series, you need someone who can be delegated to guard him. 

The Rockets did this with Cappella with some limited success last season in the play-offs. But my eye test tells me that Williams is superior to Capella in terms of lateral quickness. He could really frustrate him.

Williams will need to go through a lot of mistakes to get there.  He still goes too easily for head fakes, for example. But that will come with experience.  The Celtics need to give him as much real game experience now at the senior circuit level now.

Forget the Red Claws.  I hope he spends very little time down there. It will be far more valuable to this team to give him a lot of experience defending long guys like Greek Freak, Durant, so that come play off time, we have our secret formula for beating the Warriors: NEUTRALIZE DURANT.  I watched them play pre-season the other night, and they are still amazing.
Surprised someone came to the same thought as me

He can spend this whole year only to focus on how to play against the Warriors(it won't be only KD since they will switch) not only on D but on both ends of floor, he will be absolutely capable of guarding Curry-Klay-KD-Green ,Cousins will be the problem since he isn't ready to face strong postup bigs, but then you can always put Baynes on those.

For me the bigman rotation according to matchups should be(in that order)
Against small ball:AL-Rob-Theis as the only 5
Against bigC who postup:Baynes as 5, AL-Theis as 4
so they should all get plenty mins


So then I take it you think Baynes should not be in the rotation for 66% of the games?
Don't know about 66% but yes he should not play all that much compare to last season

I remember Hornets got whatever they want in the paint last game with Baynes on the floor,
it's not he isn't good it's just a matchup thing

Have you actually thought this through? Seems as though you're placing little importance in all the little things Baynes brings to the team (toughness, massive screens, communicates on D, etc.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Vermont Green on October 02, 2018, 05:51:45 PM
Nice article about RW3 in today's Boston Herald  by Mark Murphy:

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/celtics/2018/10/rookie_robert_williams_delivers_late_in_garden_debut

You can see Al and Kyrie already like the guy.

I particularly like how Kyrie singled out the fact that Williams could have gone in for a slam dunk winning hoop, but instead fed the ball to Yabu for the easy lay in.  Playing team ball.  His team-mates admire that.  Showed maturity as a player, IMO.

It was a nice, smooth touch pass also.  He saw it all the way.  Very good court awareness and hands for a big out running like that.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: playdream on October 02, 2018, 06:27:20 PM
Williams is very raw.

But I suspect Brad will find him meaningful minutes this season, early on.
 
As I stated previously, I expect him to be used about as much as we saw Semi used last season. In fact, I would be unsurprised if he gets more minutes than Semi this season. He can do things that Semi cannot. What remains to be seen is if he can hold his ground against strong post up guys the way that Semi could. Maybe not.

What really excites me about Williams is the prospect of grooming him for one thing in particular: 

Defending Kevin Durant 1 on 1.   Until now, we simply have not had a guy both long enough and athletic enough to do that. Jaylen has had good moments defending Durant (remember him blocking his shot in Garden last season?? Sweet),but in the course of a 7 game series, you need someone who can be delegated to guard him. 

The Rockets did this with Cappella with some limited success last season in the play-offs. But my eye test tells me that Williams is superior to Capella in terms of lateral quickness. He could really frustrate him.

Williams will need to go through a lot of mistakes to get there.  He still goes too easily for head fakes, for example. But that will come with experience.  The Celtics need to give him as much real game experience now at the senior circuit level now.

Forget the Red Claws.  I hope he spends very little time down there. It will be far more valuable to this team to give him a lot of experience defending long guys like Greek Freak, Durant, so that come play off time, we have our secret formula for beating the Warriors: NEUTRALIZE DURANT.  I watched them play pre-season the other night, and they are still amazing.
Surprised someone came to the same thought as me

He can spend this whole year only to focus on how to play against the Warriors(it won't be only KD since they will switch) not only on D but on both ends of floor, he will be absolutely capable of guarding Curry-Klay-KD-Green ,Cousins will be the problem since he isn't ready to face strong postup bigs, but then you can always put Baynes on those.

For me the bigman rotation according to matchups should be(in that order)
Against small ball:AL-Rob-Theis as the only 5
Against bigC who postup:Baynes as 5, AL-Theis as 4
so they should all get plenty mins


So then I take it you think Baynes should not be in the rotation for 66% of the games?
Don't know about 66% but yes he should not play all that much compare to last season

I remember Hornets got whatever they want in the paint last game with Baynes on the floor,
it's not he isn't good it's just a matchup thing

Have you actually thought this through? Seems as though you're placing little importance in all the little things Baynes brings to the team (toughness, massive screens, communicates on D, etc.
Again i'm not saying he is a bad player, he will be our first choice against Sixers and Cousins and the likes, he tortured Embiid with his corner 3s last playoff and he will abuse him even more this year, but as good as he is his game just didn't matchup well against small ball
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: byennie on October 02, 2018, 07:08:43 PM
If Williams can become a situational weapon as early as this year, it's going to be fantastic. How much havoc can we wreak defensively if we have Smart & Williams up in opponents' faces and Horford as the anchor?

Smart/ Brown/ Tatum/ Horford/ Williams as defensive lineup of death? Imagine Williams and Smart guarding everyone baseline to baseline, while Brown and Tatum play the switches and passing lanes and Horford anchors it all.

So many combos, so little time, and of course lineups like the above imply we have two All-Stars on the bench just because we can.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: smokeablount on October 02, 2018, 11:12:48 PM
If Williams can become a situational weapon as early as this year, it's going to be fantastic. How much havoc can we wreak defensively if we have Smart & Williams up in opponents' faces and Horford as the anchor?

Smart/ Brown/ Tatum/ Horford/ Williams as defensive lineup of death? Imagine Williams and Smart guarding everyone baseline to baseline, while Brown and Tatum play the switches and passing lanes and Horford anchors it all.

So many combos, so little time, and of course lineups like the above imply we have two All-Stars on the bench just because we can.

I like it, except when the time comes I might swap Hayward for Tatum. More proven and he would be good to have out there as a playmaker on O if Smart is PG.
Title: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: Chris22 on October 03, 2018, 01:27:57 AM
…….and less of Smart and Semi shooting threes.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: gouki88 on October 03, 2018, 01:32:38 AM
Semi's seeming (don't want to write him off too early) lack of shooting development sucks. Loving RWill so far though, seems like we've hit a gem
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: iadera on October 03, 2018, 03:38:06 AM
Absolutely! Think we got something in this kid.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: playdream on October 03, 2018, 03:49:01 AM
I'm so happy people begin to notice this kid's potential 8)
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: trickybilly on October 03, 2018, 05:42:21 AM
NBA comparisons??

Maybe peak Emeka Okafor?

Who am I missing?
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: trickybilly on October 03, 2018, 05:44:20 AM
double post
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: Kaz on October 03, 2018, 05:50:07 AM
NBA comparisons??

Maybe peak Emeka Okafor?

Best comp gets a TP

Trying to stay grounded as a Celtics fan; I'd say maybe Wilt Chamberlain or a rich man's Hakeem?  :laugh:
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: trickybilly on October 03, 2018, 06:04:33 AM
NBA comparisons??

Maybe peak Emeka Okafor?

Best comp gets a TP

Trying to stay grounded as a Celtics fan; I'd say maybe Wilt Chamberlain or a rich man's Hakeem?  :laugh:

Truly awful comparisons. But: approved.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: Surferdad on October 03, 2018, 06:50:45 AM
NBA comparisons??

Maybe peak Emeka Okafor?

Best comp gets a TP

Trying to stay grounded as a Celtics fan; I'd say maybe Wilt Chamberlain or a rich man's Hakeem?  :laugh:

Truly awful comparisons. But: approved.
With his long arms and ability to block shots, Bill Russell. (not saying he will become Russell)
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: TomHeinsohn on October 03, 2018, 07:19:35 AM
Things I've seen so far - good hands, great mobility, willing passer, canny finishing ability, willingness to get involved on defense
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: Androslav on October 03, 2018, 07:22:45 AM
NBA comparisons??

Maybe peak Emeka Okafor?

Best comp gets a TP

Trying to stay grounded as a Celtics fan; I'd say maybe Wilt Chamberlain or a rich man's Hakeem?  :laugh:

Truly awful comparisons. But: approved.
With his long arms and ability to block shots, Bill Russell. (not saying he will become Russell)
How about Horace Grant?
Switchy, long WS, good rebounder, quick laterally. About the same size
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: Chris22 on October 03, 2018, 08:54:50 AM
Williams needs to learn not to block the ball out of bounds.

Bill Russell said that a blocked shot out of bounds was half a good play.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: gouki88 on October 03, 2018, 08:58:33 AM
NBA comparisons??

Maybe peak Emeka Okafor?

Best comp gets a TP

Trying to stay grounded as a Celtics fan; I'd say maybe Wilt Chamberlain or a rich man's Hakeem?  :laugh:

Truly awful comparisons. But: approved.
With his long arms and ability to block shots, Bill Russell. (not saying he will become Russell)
How about Horace Grant?
Switchy, long WS, good rebounder, quick laterally. About the same size
Maybe Marcus Camby? Shorter, but probably better at defending the perimeter
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: moiso on October 03, 2018, 09:01:07 AM
Camby is a good one with a little Joakim Noah mixed in (passing and unselfishness).
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: smokeablount on October 03, 2018, 09:16:09 AM
Yup, loving this kid, called it on draft night, and how much crow is being eaten right now by all the people who called RW3 a bum, or even a drug addict.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on October 03, 2018, 09:44:41 AM
I think the thing I have liked the most is that he clearly understands his role in the Celtic offensive sets. When Stevens calls for a multiple screen, or multiple step set, Williams knows his part.

He doesn't get lost on offense. He is not a step slow on his actions or cuts. He seems to have a really good feel already for the sets Stevens runs. That's promising for a young athletic big. Normally it takes a year or two for them to run their part of the offense as efficiently as Williams is.

On defense, when he switches onto opposing guards, he has been pretty good, but when he is off-ball, I've seen him be out of position or a step slow.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: Smartacus on October 03, 2018, 09:49:44 AM
I guess the question is, who's minutes would he cut into?

Theis was pretty brutal last night IMO. It's really hard to have 2 players recovering from injuries between him and Hayward. Feels like we always have someone out there who is out of rhythym and playing tentatively.

Hayward seemed to be getting his legs under him in the 3rd quarter but I'm not sure if this team with it's championship aspirations will have time to wait for Theis to round back into form. Especially with Big Block Robert Williams looking like a real matchup problem for opposing front courts.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: Surferdad on October 03, 2018, 09:50:28 AM
I think the thing I have liked the most is that he clearly understands his role in the Celtic offensive sets. When Stevens calls for a multiple screen, or multiple step set, Williams knows his part.

He doesn't get lost on offense. He is not a step slow on his actions or cuts. He seems to have a really good feel already for the sets Stevens runs. That's promising for a young athletic big. Normally it takes a year or two for them to run their part of the offense as efficiently as Williams is.

On defense, when he switches onto opposing guards, he has been pretty good, but when he is off-ball, I've seen him be out of position or a step slow.
TP for a good summary.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: Chris22 on October 03, 2018, 12:17:59 PM
Yup, loving this kid, called it on draft night, and how much crow is being eaten right now by all the people who called RW3 a bum, or even a drug addict.

So true. He just needs to learn to keep the ball in bounds when he blocks it.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: Sophomore on October 03, 2018, 12:52:58 PM
I guess the question is, who's minutes would he cut into?

Theis was pretty brutal last night IMO. It's really hard to have 2 players recovering from injuries between him and Hayward. Feels like we always have someone out there who is out of rhythym and playing tentatively.

Hayward seemed to be getting his legs under him in the 3rd quarter but I'm not sure if this team with it's championship aspirations will have time to wait for Theis to round back into form. Especially with Big Block Robert Williams looking like a real matchup problem for opposing front courts.


I think you answered the question pretty well. Peak Theis from last year was savvier than RWill, but Williams has so much more physical ability. If RWill continues to develop, well, it's a good thing for Theis that he's a free agent next year because he'd be bumped down in the rotation.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: jay on October 03, 2018, 01:01:30 PM
It's going to be interesting to see how they get Williams and Yabusele both minutes. They both seem good enough to get on the court. Maybe one will be in Maine while the other is in the rotation?

Especially if you have GH, JB, and JT all in the starting lineup. You have bigs coming off the bench in Theis, Baynes, and Morris already plus Smart and Rozier are going to get huge minutes of the bench at guard.
You would really have to cut down on everyone's minutes to play 11 players in a game consistently:

Irving 29
Brown 27
Tatum 27
Horford 27
Hayward 27
Smart 21
Rozier 21
Morris 18
Baynes 18
Theis 15
Yabu or Williams 10

This also puts Ojeleye on the bench.





Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: hwangjini_1 on October 03, 2018, 01:28:45 PM
Yup, loving this kid, called it on draft night, and how much crow is being eaten right now by all the people who called RW3 a bum, or even a drug addict.

So true. He just needs to learn to keep the ball in bounds when he blocks it.
well, that and not foul so much. 3 fouls in 9 minutes means he won't be on the floor much. but i am sure he will get better at all aspects of his game with time.

he is still very raw. by playoff time i expect we will see a much improved williams.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: liam on October 03, 2018, 02:18:10 PM
I think Brad will shake out the minutes very well. Barring injuries Williams should get 5-10 minutes a game.... I like what Williams brings. He gives the Celtics a very different look. I think Williams would also play better with better players. Most role players do.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: Chris22 on October 03, 2018, 04:22:55 PM
I think Brad will shake out the minutes very well. Barring injuries Williams should get 5-10 minutes a game.... I like what Williams brings. He gives the Celtics a very different look. I think Williams would also play better with better players. Most role players do.

The blocks and the dunks are pretty amazing. Last night he got beat by a guard and recovered to block the shot. That is hard to do.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: liam on October 03, 2018, 04:45:15 PM
I think Brad will shake out the minutes very well. Barring injuries Williams should get 5-10 minutes a game.... I like what Williams brings. He gives the Celtics a very different look. I think Williams would also play better with better players. Most role players do.

The blocks and the dunks are pretty amazing. Last night he got beat by a guard and recovered to block the shot. That is hard to do.

His feet, arms and athletic ability are elite.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: AshyLarry on October 03, 2018, 05:51:52 PM
While seeing him in such a short amount of pt has been titillating with his passing and defense, I'll need to see him in a few games that actually count, see how he does under more pressure.

But I really do like what I see.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: Greyman on October 04, 2018, 02:23:38 AM
double post
A bit unfair to compare him to one post, let alone two posts.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: Surferdad on October 04, 2018, 06:43:40 AM
double post
A bit unfair to compare him to one post, let alone two posts.
Hey I'd like to see one post move first.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: Celtics4ever on October 04, 2018, 06:48:24 AM
If you watch around the 1:50 mark of the last game, he blocked a shot with his elbow.


I think he is very raw, he has the natural ability and athletic ability to be special, but he is raw and has been coasting on that ability.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: Surferdad on October 04, 2018, 06:59:54 AM
If you watch around the 1:50 mark of the last game, he blocked a shot with his elbow.


I think he is very raw, he has the natural ability and athletic ability to be special, but he is raw and has been coasting working his tail off but is getting minutes based on that ability.
There, fixed it for you.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: gouki88 on October 04, 2018, 07:08:38 AM
If you watch around the 1:50 mark of the last game, he blocked a shot with his elbow.


I think he is very raw, he has the natural ability and athletic ability to be special, but he is raw and has been coasting working his tail off but is getting minutes based on that ability.
There, fixed it for you.
Yeah, I have not seen him as someone who has been coasting at all. Not one bit.

He is one of the rare rookie big men I can remember who willingly set multiple picks on an offensive set, all the while ensuring that the picks actually hit. Not only this, but his picks seem to stick defenders in a manner similar to KG's (his legal ones, of course ;D). He also hustled really hard on the offensive glass a couple of times against Cleveland, and in my eye did better than Zizic.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: Surferdad on October 04, 2018, 07:18:03 AM
If you watch around the 1:50 mark of the last game, he blocked a shot with his elbow.


I think he is very raw, he has the natural ability and athletic ability to be special, but he is raw and has been coasting working his tail off but is getting minutes based on that ability.
There, fixed it for you.
Yeah, I have not seen him as someone who has been coasting at all. Not one bit.

He is one of the rare rookie big men I can remember who willingly set multiple picks on an offensive set, all the while ensuring that the picks actually hit. Not only this, but his picks seem to stick defenders in a manner similar to KG's (his legal ones, of course ;D). He also hustled really hard on the offensive glass a couple of times against Cleveland, and in my eye did better than Zizic.
Great point.  Being a rookie, I was just waiting for the refs to call an illegal (moving) screen on him. 

I think many will agree that the refs tend to do that kind of stuff to rookies until they get used them.  They like to establish themselves as being in charge and this is part of their indoctrination of rookies.  (likely deserves its own thread)
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: gouki88 on October 04, 2018, 07:23:48 AM
If you watch around the 1:50 mark of the last game, he blocked a shot with his elbow.


I think he is very raw, he has the natural ability and athletic ability to be special, but he is raw and has been coasting working his tail off but is getting minutes based on that ability.
There, fixed it for you.
Yeah, I have not seen him as someone who has been coasting at all. Not one bit.

He is one of the rare rookie big men I can remember who willingly set multiple picks on an offensive set, all the while ensuring that the picks actually hit. Not only this, but his picks seem to stick defenders in a manner similar to KG's (his legal ones, of course ;D). He also hustled really hard on the offensive glass a couple of times against Cleveland, and in my eye did better than Zizic.
Great point.  Being a rookie, I was just waiting for the refs to call an illegal (moving) screen on him. 

I think many will agree that the refs tend to do that kind of stuff to rookies until they get used them.  They like to establish themselves as being in charge and this is part of their indoctrination of rookies.  (likely deserves its own thread)
Yeah, it's like their own weird form of hazing whereby they are overly harsh on them, or don't give them any calls. Annoying that the rules change from player to player.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: moiso on October 04, 2018, 08:03:48 AM
If you watch around the 1:50 mark of the last game, he blocked a shot with his elbow.


I think he is very raw, he has the natural ability and athletic ability to be special, but he is raw and has been coasting working his tail off but is getting minutes based on that ability.
There, fixed it for you.
He has probably been coasting throughout his life like celtics4ever said.  Probably just started working hard recently.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: smokeablount on October 04, 2018, 08:05:11 AM
I guess the question is, who's minutes would he cut into?

Theis was pretty brutal last night IMO. It's really hard to have 2 players recovering from injuries between him and Hayward. Feels like we always have someone out there who is out of rhythym and playing tentatively.

Hayward seemed to be getting his legs under him in the 3rd quarter but I'm not sure if this team with it's championship aspirations will have time to wait for Theis to round back into form. Especially with Big Block Robert Williams looking like a real matchup problem for opposing front courts.

Yup, it'd be Theis- the only question is if Baynes is also coming off the bench, how would it work?
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: smokeablount on October 04, 2018, 08:09:13 AM
If you watch around the 1:50 mark of the last game, he blocked a shot with his elbow.


I think he is very raw, he has the natural ability and athletic ability to be special, but he is raw and has been coasting working his tail off but is getting minutes based on that ability.
There, fixed it for you.
Yeah, I have not seen him as someone who has been coasting at all. Not one bit.

He is one of the rare rookie big men I can remember who willingly set multiple picks on an offensive set, all the while ensuring that the picks actually hit. Not only this, but his picks seem to stick defenders in a manner similar to KG's (his legal ones, of course ;D). He also hustled really hard on the offensive glass a couple of times against Cleveland, and in my eye did better than Zizic.

TP, I think he's definitely been working hard, and I agree about his picks. 

Watching him the other night at TD, I thought that if our big man depth chart was Horford-Baynes-Williams, they'd all seemingly be great screen setters.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: Celtics4ever on October 04, 2018, 08:11:17 AM
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Yeah, I have not seen him as someone who has been coasting at all. Not one bit.

He is one of the rare rookie big men I can remember who willingly set multiple picks on an offensive set, all the while ensuring that the picks actually hit. Not only this, but his picks seem to stick defenders in a manner similar to KG's (his legal ones, of course ;D). He also hustled really hard on the offensive glass a couple of times against Cleveland, and in my eye did better than Zizic.

What I meant by that, is a lot of his defensive ability comes from sheer athletic ability.   He is not even remotely a polished defender, and has a lot of work in that area.    That being said, his athletic ability is immense and he is still pretty good.   If we can develop his game, to could be a real good player.

His workwork is a little shoddy, but he can make up for it, with his footspeed and athletic ability.     He flails at shots, but can jump out of the gym.

I love his game and I am excited for him to come into the game each time.   I think the sky is limit for him.   

Don't confuse hustle with knowledge of the game.   You can have great effort and not know what you're doing.  You can be high energy and still be raw, which I present he is folks

A scouting report said:
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Sometimes relies too much on his athleticism ... Still a raw prospect who, despite making a big leap in development his freshman year, didn’t progress nearly as much as a sophomore ..

http://www.nbadraft.net/players/robert-williams

Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: smokeablount on October 04, 2018, 08:28:00 AM
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Yeah, I have not seen him as someone who has been coasting at all. Not one bit.

He is one of the rare rookie big men I can remember who willingly set multiple picks on an offensive set, all the while ensuring that the picks actually hit. Not only this, but his picks seem to stick defenders in a manner similar to KG's (his legal ones, of course ;D). He also hustled really hard on the offensive glass a couple of times against Cleveland, and in my eye did better than Zizic.

What I meant by that, is a lot of his defensive ability comes from sheer athletic ability.   He is not even remotely a polished defender, and has a lot of work in that area.    That being said, his athletic ability is immense and he is still pretty good.   If we can develop his game, to could be a real good player.

His workwork is a little shoddy, but he can make up for it, with his footspeed and athletic ability.     He flails at shots, but can jump out of the gym.

I love his game and I am excited for him to come into the game each time.   I think the sky is limit for him.   

Don't confuse hustle with knowledge of the game.   You can have great effort and not know what you're doing.  You can be high energy and still be raw, which I present he is folks

A scouting report said:
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Sometimes relies too much on his athleticism ... Still a raw prospect who, despite making a big leap in development his freshman year, didn’t progress nearly as much as a sophomore ..

http://www.nbadraft.net/players/robert-williams

You guys are both right.

His amazing physical profile and abilities help mask little things like being out of position off ball and making his rim protection better than it probably should be, etc.

That said, he knows the plays, on offense he moves well and sets good screens, if anything it's his teammates that can't throw lobs.  On defense he's playing well, due to physical attributes but also a good feel for the game and above average awareness for a rookie big man.

Add it all up, and you've got a strong performance so far from a guy who looks better than Theis.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: rollie mass on October 04, 2018, 03:43:51 PM
They got a video in practice at the end of a lob over on reddit
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: rollie mass on October 04, 2018, 03:47:41 PM
Nice short video at practice slaming home another poor lob almost hit his head on rim over at celtics reddit
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: LatterDayCelticsfan on October 04, 2018, 03:51:35 PM
The Brad Wannamaker-Robert Williams pick and roll is gonna be the NBA Hipsters' wet dream.

You read it here first.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Billybeantown on October 12, 2018, 08:54:47 PM
Robert Williams needs to start. The Celtics have a glaring need to get buckets down low. Also a glaring need to have a rim protector.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Celtics4ever on October 12, 2018, 09:04:53 PM
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Robert Williams needs to start. The Celtics have a glaring need to get buckets down low. Also a glaring need to have a rim protector.

Do you throw batteries like the other Philly Fans?   Too bad you're team lack the fight you do and was beaten by the Celtics without Irving and Hayward....Face it, OUR BENCH BEAT YOUR STARTERS.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: gouki88 on October 12, 2018, 09:35:26 PM
Robert Williams needs to start. The Celtics have a glaring need to get buckets down low. Also a glaring need to have a rim protector.
Lol. How is it a glaring need when it hasn't impacted our ability to win so far?

Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: ConnerHenry on October 12, 2018, 09:45:31 PM
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Robert Williams needs to start. The Celtics have a glaring need to get buckets down low. Also a glaring need to have a rim protector.

Do you throw batteries like the other Philly Fans?   Too bad you're team lack the fight you do and was beaten by the Celtics without Irving and Hayward....Face it, OUR BENCH BEAT YOUR STARTERS.

Well, the logic here is that since the Celtics didn't start Williams last year and lost, starting him this year should result in a win  ::)
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Hoopvortex on October 15, 2018, 09:55:35 AM
Robert Williams needs to start. The Celtics have a glaring need to get buckets down low. Also a glaring need to have a rim protector.

Probably won't happen. But there was enough demonstrated in the pre-season games that we'll likely get to see meaningful minutes for him this season. Boy is he quick! Quick side to side and quick off the floor, and quick with his shoulders so that he gets blocks that he shouldn't be able to.

Looks like the thing to track is his minutes versus Yabusele's, since Yabu is the least secure big on the roster.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Sophomore on October 15, 2018, 10:54:07 AM
It would be cool to see a little of Williams in green this year on nights when Al needs a rest.

While I definitely don't want to see any more injuries, we'll probably get some dings over the year that will also give him a chance.

I still don't expect anything from him this year, but after seeing him in preseason I'm more optimistic about his future. To me, he's already better than the other longshot bigs we've drafted over the past few years.  Looking forward to his year 2 and 3. I'll be disappointed if he isn't in the rotation by then.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: playdream on October 15, 2018, 12:02:58 PM
The Brad Wannamaker-Robert Williams pick and roll is gonna be the NBA Hipsters' wet dream.

You read it here first.
Guess you didn't watch preseason
Don't get me started on how bad a facilitator Wannamaker has shown
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: hpantazo on October 15, 2018, 12:26:52 PM
The Brad Wannamaker-Robert Williams pick and roll is gonna be the NBA Hipsters' wet dream.

You read it here first.
Guess you didn't watch preseason
Don't get me started on how bad a facilitator Wannamaker has shown


I wish we had kept Larkin instead
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on October 15, 2018, 01:23:45 PM
The Brad Wannamaker-Robert Williams pick and roll is gonna be the NBA Hipsters' wet dream.

You read it here first.
Guess you didn't watch preseason
Don't get me started on how bad a facilitator Wannamaker has shown


I wish we had kept Larkin instead

I liked Larkin too. I think Wannamaker will have moments for the Cs this season. The transition to NBA speed is not easy, and the transition to a new offense and new game rhythms is pretty difficult. He knows how to play basketball.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: LatterDayCelticsfan on October 15, 2018, 03:51:47 PM
The Brad Wannamaker-Robert Williams pick and roll is gonna be the NBA Hipsters' wet dream.

You read it here first.
Guess you didn't watch preseason
Don't get me started on how bad a facilitator Wannamaker has shown


I wish we had kept Larkin instead

I liked Larkin too. I think Wannamaker will have moments for the Cs this season. The transition to NBA speed is not easy, and the transition to a new offense and new game rhythms is pretty difficult. He knows how to play basketball.

I followed him in Euroleague and he ran that Fenerbache team pretty nicely. I expect once he gets up to speed he will do a job with the reserves.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: gouki88 on October 15, 2018, 04:40:29 PM
The Brad Wannamaker-Robert Williams pick and roll is gonna be the NBA Hipsters' wet dream.

You read it here first.
Guess you didn't watch preseason
Don't get me started on how bad a facilitator Wannamaker has shown


I wish we had kept Larkin instead

I liked Larkin too. I think Wannamaker will have moments for the Cs this season. The transition to NBA speed is not easy, and the transition to a new offense and new game rhythms is pretty difficult. He knows how to play basketball.

I followed him in Euroleague and he ran that Fenerbache team pretty nicely. I expect once he gets up to speed he will do a job with the reserves.
I too think (and hope) that he’ll adjust. It’s a big move from Fenerbache to the NBA. I don’t think many of us were too fond of Larkin when he first rocked up, yet he ended up winning us some
games
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: smokeablount on October 16, 2018, 12:42:58 PM
The Brad Wannamaker-Robert Williams pick and roll is gonna be the NBA Hipsters' wet dream.

You read it here first.
Guess you didn't watch preseason
Don't get me started on how bad a facilitator Wannamaker has shown


I wish we had kept Larkin instead

I liked Larkin too. I think Wannamaker will have moments for the Cs this season. The transition to NBA speed is not easy, and the transition to a new offense and new game rhythms is pretty difficult. He knows how to play basketball.

I followed him in Euroleague and he ran that Fenerbache team pretty nicely. I expect once he gets up to speed he will do a job with the reserves.

I expect Wannamaker should be superior, but I like Lemon better atm.  Neither looks like much of a defender so far (though BW has good size), but Lemon's penetration and ability to get where he wants on the floor vs 3rd stringers leads to good things for him & teammates.

Ultimately, we're in trouble if we're leaning on either guy for anything more than spot minutes.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: footey on October 21, 2018, 08:23:46 PM
With Baines ruled out for tomorrow's game vs Magic, and Theis still struggling, I am hoping we see Williams get his first run tomorrow night, against the likes of Bamba and Isaac. 
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: liam on October 21, 2018, 09:54:14 PM
With Baines ruled out for tomorrow's game vs Magic, and Theis still struggling, I am hoping we see Williams get his first run tomorrow night, against the likes of Bamba and Isaac.

The Celtics will need his length. I hope he gets some quality minutes.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: KGs Knee on October 21, 2018, 09:57:05 PM
I don't expect RWIII to get much, if any, playing time this season.  He's very raw and will likely be playing in Maine once the G-League season starts up.

This kid was not drafted with the expectation that he'd be ready to contribute right away, and is more of a long-term project than anything.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Sophomore on October 21, 2018, 10:02:30 PM
I don't expect RWIII to get much, if any, playing time this season.  He's very raw and will likely be playing in Maine once the G-League season starts up.

This kid was not drafted with the expectation that he'd be ready to contribute right away, and is more of a long-term project than anything.

I understand the sentiment, but without Baynes? Orlando is a very long team. Is it really better to give Yabusele those minutes? In Brad I trust, but given the alternatives it doesn’t seem crazy to me to try him.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: KGs Knee on October 21, 2018, 10:20:50 PM
I don't expect RWIII to get much, if any, playing time this season.  He's very raw and will likely be playing in Maine once the G-League season starts up.

This kid was not drafted with the expectation that he'd be ready to contribute right away, and is more of a long-term project than anything.

I understand the sentiment, but without Baynes? Orlando is a very long team. Is it really better to give Yabusele those minutes? In Brad I trust, but given the alternatives it doesn’t seem crazy to me to try him.

I'd expect Theis to get a decent bump in playing time while Baynes is out.

Maybe RWIII will get a few minutes, but I don't expect much.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: gouki88 on October 21, 2018, 11:07:32 PM
I don't expect RWIII to get much, if any, playing time this season.  He's very raw and will likely be playing in Maine once the G-League season starts up.

This kid was not drafted with the expectation that he'd be ready to contribute right away, and is more of a long-term project than anything.

I understand the sentiment, but without Baynes? Orlando is a very long team. Is it really better to give Yabusele those minutes? In Brad I trust, but given the alternatives it doesn’t seem crazy to me to try him.

I'd expect Theis to get a decent bump in playing time while Baynes is out.

Maybe RWIII will get a few minutes, but I don't expect much.
Yabu will probably get minutes without Baynes
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: SHAQATTACK on October 21, 2018, 11:37:55 PM
Rather see what Williams can do than watch Yabu get torched
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: rollie mass on October 22, 2018, 08:45:02 AM
Chris Grenham has Robert Williams hitting corner threes at Madison Square Garden.Nice form and arc.   SURPRISE!!!!!
Chris Grenham
https:// twitter.com/chrisgrenham
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Birdman on October 22, 2018, 08:55:56 AM
Need Williams in there against Orlando bigs
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: apc on October 22, 2018, 09:19:53 AM
Did Williams play vs Bamba in college?
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: CF033 on October 22, 2018, 09:24:20 AM
I would love to see RW get some playing time tonight in the absence of Baynes.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: rollie mass on October 22, 2018, 10:07:51 AM
I like the idea of keeping Robert close as he learns how to be an NBA player and mimics the vets.He also has a crew of young players around him that are dedicated to being great.One year Embid was out and all he did was shoot'I always like when young guys got blended in for their minutes rather than group garbage time.
The Magic have young bigs that would not overpower Robert with bulk or experience..
When i watch him play the perimeter and use his lateral not to mention the length disrupting shots it's like wow! He has the added bonus in having not to adjust to NBA  grabbing and pulling and then having re adjust this year.Use Jaylen as an example.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: rollie mass on October 23, 2018, 06:55:55 AM
Williams got his time blended in and didn't look lost or nervous.
Brad gave him lot to learn but he will pick it up because he is eager and works hard.A perfect place to learn and not skip any steps
Horford gave him praise for his energy after the game.
With Baynes out and the way we pile up injuries better give that kid more experience.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: hodgy03038 on October 23, 2018, 08:14:26 AM
Williams got his time blended in and didn't look lost or nervous.
Brad gave him lot to learn but he will pick it up because he is eager and works hard.A perfect place to learn and not skip any steps
Horford gave him praise for his energy after the game.
With Baynes out and the way we pile up injuries better give that kid more experience.

Not sure I saw anything to be excited about by watching Williams for his few minutes on the court. I would be excited if I was an Orlando fan from what I saw from Isaac playing in just his 31st NBA game.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: gouki88 on October 23, 2018, 08:23:31 AM
Williams got his time blended in and didn't look lost or nervous.
Brad gave him lot to learn but he will pick it up because he is eager and works hard.A perfect place to learn and not skip any steps
Horford gave him praise for his energy after the game.
With Baynes out and the way we pile up injuries better give that kid more experience.

Not sure I saw anything to be excited about by watching Williams for his few minutes on the court. I would be excited if I was an Orlando fan from what I saw from Isaac playing in just his 31st NBA game.
Williams looked better in his tiny stretch on Vuce than Al did all game, lol.

Agree about Isaac though. I was a big fan of his in college, but thought physically he might take some time to come good. His rebounding looks a lot better this season
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Bobshot on October 24, 2018, 10:56:45 AM
I read this morning they are working on Williams' shot. Shot? I thought he was brought in to defend, rebound and block shots. Auerbach never worked on Bill Russell's shot.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Bobshot on October 24, 2018, 10:58:31 AM
Williams got his time blended in and didn't look lost or nervous.
Brad gave him lot to learn but he will pick it up because he is eager and works hard.A perfect place to learn and not skip any steps
Horford gave him praise for his energy after the game.
With Baynes out and the way we pile up injuries better give that kid more experience.

Not sure I saw anything to be excited about by watching Williams for his few minutes on the court. I would be excited if I was an Orlando fan from what I saw from Isaac playing in just his 31st NBA game.

Isaac was left alone so many times he must have felt like an outsider when he was hitting those shots.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Sophomore on October 24, 2018, 12:21:05 PM
Williams got his time blended in and didn't look lost or nervous.
Brad gave him lot to learn but he will pick it up because he is eager and works hard.A perfect place to learn and not skip any steps
Horford gave him praise for his energy after the game.
With Baynes out and the way we pile up injuries better give that kid more experience.

Not sure I saw anything to be excited about by watching Williams for his few minutes on the court. I would be excited if I was an Orlando fan from what I saw from Isaac playing in just his 31st NBA game.

I am starting to think that after Horford and Baynes he may be our third best big. I like Theis, but Williams' physical advantage is just huge.  I can't say I'm excited about his play just yet, but I am excited by the obvious potential and hope it materializes. He's a little overeager, but his work on Vucevic and his work to protect the rim on a drive where Marcus was (temporarily) beaten were very good. I don't think many NBA players are going to want to challenge him 1 on 1.
Title: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: Chris22 on October 26, 2018, 02:26:39 AM
….less Semi.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: CelticsElite on October 26, 2018, 02:33:21 AM
Rozier is matching his game 7 performance every night
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: knuckleballer on October 26, 2018, 05:00:43 AM
Stephens doesn't play young guys until they figure out the defensive rotations which can take awhile. 
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: Eddie20 on October 26, 2018, 07:44:02 AM
Stephens doesn't play young guys until they figure out the defensive rotations which can take awhile.

Yeah, unless you're actually any good like Smart, Tatum, etc.

Neither Williams or Semi are any good, but at least Sleepy has potential.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: knuckleballer on October 26, 2018, 08:14:00 AM
Stephens doesn't play young guys until they figure out the defensive rotations which can take awhile.

Yeah, unless you're actually any good like Smart, Tatum, etc.

Neither Williams or Semi are any good, but at least Sleepy has potential.

We don't know if Williams is good or not yet.  There's no reason to be pessimistic about him yet.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: Surferdad on October 26, 2018, 08:50:03 AM
I knew this thread title sounded familiar.  Turns out it's the 2nd time for the OP.

https://forum.celticsstrong.com/index.php?topic=97769.0
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: Eddie20 on October 26, 2018, 10:21:04 AM
Stephens doesn't play young guys until they figure out the defensive rotations which can take awhile.

Yeah, unless you're actually any good like Smart, Tatum, etc.

Neither Williams or Semi are any good, but at least Sleepy has potential.

We don't know if Williams is good or not yet.  There's no reason to be pessimistic about him yet.

I'm actually optimistic about his future, but presently he's not good based on the limited I've seen of him and that Stevens, despite knowing more about him than anyone, chooses to not play him. So, yeah, the safe assumption is that at the moment he's not good enough to help us on the court.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: Big333223 on October 27, 2018, 02:11:18 PM
The annual "I want the rookie to play more even though we have no idea if he's any good" thread.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: liam on October 27, 2018, 02:12:36 PM
The annual "I want the rookie to play more even though we have no idea if he's any good" thread.

But that's why we want to see him play, to see if he's good or not.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: Rosco917 on October 27, 2018, 02:20:58 PM
Maybe playing him against the big hulking centers who seal defenders under the rim isn't a good idea right now.

I'd like to see more of him too.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: Chris22 on October 27, 2018, 05:34:04 PM
The annual "I want the rookie to play more even though we have no idea if he's any good" thread.

Williams is a good rebounder and defender. We need rebounding and defense.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: knuckleballer on October 27, 2018, 05:37:27 PM
I think we'll come around soon and start blowing bad and mediocre teams away.  Then we'll see Williams getting playing time.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: hodgy03038 on October 27, 2018, 05:38:46 PM
With Theis questionable and Baynes out he may get some minutes tonight against Drummond.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: Sophomore on October 27, 2018, 06:14:31 PM
The annual "I want the rookie to play more even though we have no idea if he's any good" thread.

The Clippers have Drummond and Griffin, and bench bigs behind them. Al can only play so many minutes. Give the kid a chance, and if he’s a problem we try somebody else. I would definitely give Willams those minutes before trying Yabu. Trying Semi on a four night make sense, but not against a center.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: hwangjini_1 on October 27, 2018, 06:41:59 PM
The annual "I want the rookie to play more even though we have no idea if he's any good" thread.
of course. rookies are the shiny new toy.  ;D
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: hodgy03038 on October 27, 2018, 07:00:25 PM
5 minutes - 5 fouls but he's a body.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: footey on October 27, 2018, 07:04:33 PM
I think his length will be needed tonight especially if Theis doesn’t play.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: gouki88 on October 27, 2018, 07:13:21 PM
5 minutes - 5 fouls but he's a body.
I thought the personal limit was 6  ;D
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: Chris22 on October 27, 2018, 10:40:13 PM
Williams played great tonight. He needs to learn to keep the ball in bounds when he blocks a shot.

Bill Russell said that a blocked shot was half a good play.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: nickagneta on October 27, 2018, 10:43:17 PM
Williams played great tonight. He needs to learn to keep the ball in bounds when he blocks a shot.

Bill Russell said that a blocked shot was half a good play.
Great night for Williams but it's always easier to play well when you are up 25 and the other team has emptied their bench and basically given up.

Love his potential and think in four years he is going to be awesome. But he is still very raw.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: liam on October 27, 2018, 11:12:30 PM
Williams played great tonight. He needs to learn to keep the ball in bounds when he blocks a shot.

Bill Russell said that a blocked shot was half a good play.
Great night for Williams but it's always easier to play well when you are up 25 and the other team has emptied their bench and basically given up.

Love his potential and think in four years he is going to be awesome. But he is still very raw.

Lot's of guys get in at garbage time and look terrible. Williams impacts the game. He's a rookie and a project but he impacts a game with his energy and athleticism.
Title: Robert Williams is NOT a stiff: nice alley oop, block, dime (video)
Post by: CelticsElite on October 27, 2018, 11:33:28 PM
https://youtu.be/52ik1MTIo28
https://youtu.be/4Gl0aCZyiLM
https://youtu.be/KHm36zCGa_Y

I like  his skill. i definitely get a DeAndre Jordan / Capela ceiling for his game

And yes I know it's garbage time but he's displaying skill in the nba, which is enough to excite me
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: Chris22 on October 27, 2018, 11:34:04 PM
Williams played great tonight. He needs to learn to keep the ball in bounds when he blocks a shot.

Bill Russell said that a blocked shot was half a good play.
Great night for Williams but it's always easier to play well when you are up 25 and the other team has emptied their bench and basically given up.

Love his potential and think in four years he is going to be awesome. But he is still very raw.

I think he is awesome now. After a couple of blocks, guys were afraid to take him on.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: keevsnick on October 27, 2018, 11:38:07 PM
I doubt he's gonna be a huge factor this year, probably mostly garbage time with the potential to get into the rotation by years end or if their are injuries. But I could see him being on the Bradley/Rozier tract where he doesn't play much year 1, in rotation year 2 and by year 4 is an above average starting center with Clint Capela like upside.
Title: Re: Robert Williams is NOT a stiff: nice alley oop, block, dime (video)
Post by: hwangjini_1 on October 28, 2018, 12:00:02 AM
thanks for the videos. but i dont recall anyone here arguing that williams is a stiff.

a lot of posters had concerns over his maturity early on, but those fears seem to be unfounded now.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: Chris22 on October 28, 2018, 12:16:41 AM
I doubt he's gonna be a huge factor this year, probably mostly garbage time with the potential to get into the rotation by years end or if their are injuries. But I could see him being on the Bradley/Rozier tract where he doesn't play much year 1, in rotation year 2 and by year 4 is an above average starting center with Clint Capela like upside.


I doubt you are correct.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: gouki88 on October 28, 2018, 01:38:35 AM
I doubt he's gonna be a huge factor this year, probably mostly garbage time with the potential to get into the rotation by years end or if their are injuries. But I could see him being on the Bradley/Rozier tract where he doesn't play much year 1, in rotation year 2 and by year 4 is an above average starting center with Clint Capela like upside.


I doubt you are correct.
You gonna provide a reason for that doubt?
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: Rosco917 on October 28, 2018, 03:08:01 AM
The kid has the ability to cover almost everyone on the floor. With his combination of length, size and most important...quickness.

He barely functions in the offense and other than the occasional ally-oops in front of the basket, other than that he is pretty much useless. Yet he's smooth and doesn't interrupt others in this same offense.

He adds a dimension we lack. In the future, he may actually be able to contain a long super player like the Greek freak and Durant.

Title: Re: Robert Williams is NOT a stiff: nice alley oop, block, dime (video)
Post by: Sophomore on October 28, 2018, 04:08:27 AM
thanks for the videos. but i dont recall anyone here arguing that williams is a stiff.

a lot of posters had concerns over his maturity early on, but those fears seem to be unfounded now.

Yeah. There were some very strong reactions to his being late at the start. Not just “kid has to shape up”, but “write him off, the kid’s a bum”. Maybe he’ll get there maybe he won’t, but give him half a minute.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: rollie mass on October 28, 2018, 06:24:19 AM
Loved his pass,can't teach that he has very nice court vision.Robert has a large rebounding arc and it showed as he kept a rebound alive.A good point made about controlling blocked shots.Get McHale ,Parrish and Russell together and can't rule out Cowens..
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: Surferdad on October 28, 2018, 07:46:20 AM
Kid just has a feel for the game.  Last night, he had a bunch of great blocks, but also some nifty passes on the offensive end.

Still a project though.  He lost his man once (Leuer I think) leading to an easy dunk.

Thing I also like is that he gives a different look on both ends when he is in there.  That change-of-pace could be useful for coach.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: SHAQATTACK on October 28, 2018, 07:47:10 AM
You know he is going to stuff Lebron at some point .

i can't wait.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Celtics4ever on October 28, 2018, 07:53:32 AM
That alley opp was crazy, this guy's athletic ability is off the charts.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: Celtics4ever on October 28, 2018, 07:55:03 AM
Quote
He barely functions in the offense and other than the occasional ally-oops in front of the basket, other than that he is pretty much useless. Yet he's smooth and doesn't interrupt others in this same offense.

Passing is part of the offense and he excels in that skill.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: Big333223 on October 28, 2018, 10:35:58 AM
I like how instinctual he seems to be. I've seen so little of him but in that time he doesn't appear to be someone who wants to hold the ball, look around, assess the defense, decide what he wants to do... He just reacts. The assist to Yabu last night was perfect. He saw it and did it. No hesitation.

And that alley-oop was amazing. He somehow had time to catch the ball and then cock it back before throwing it down. The Celtics haven't had that kind of leaping ability since young Gerald Green, maybe.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: Rosco917 on October 28, 2018, 12:11:24 PM
He's able to guard the 3 point line and them slip down low again. He's cat-quick at 6-10. He needs more minutes so by the end of the season he is a defensive weapon.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: OldSchoolDude on October 28, 2018, 12:40:19 PM
NBA comparisons??

Maybe peak Emeka Okafor?

Best comp gets a TP

Trying to stay grounded as a Celtics fan; I'd say maybe Wilt Chamberlain or a rich man's Hakeem?  :laugh:

Truly awful comparisons. But: approved.
With his long arms and ability to block shots, Bill Russell. (not saying he will become Russell)
How about Horace Grant?
Switchy, long WS, good rebounder, quick laterally. About the same size

Horace Grant was a skilled ofensive player.  He had a very solid post game and he could knock down the mid range consistently.  I think our Robert Williams has more in common with Grant's replacement, Dennis Rodman.  Rodman was a defensive monster but severely limited offensively.  He had like no post moves and almost never stepped out to a 20 footer.  He was all put backs and easy dunks or layups, just like what I expect from Williams game.  Rodman came off the bench for those Pistons teams and was actually quite and reserved like our Robert Williams.  Rodman went cuckoo in San Antonio an Pop didn't know what to do with him.  It was in Chicago that he broke out and that was several years into his career.  With Williams work ethic I think he could turn in to Rodman with a decent offensive game and hopefully minus the crazy.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: Chris22 on October 28, 2018, 12:47:45 PM
I doubt he's gonna be a huge factor this year, probably mostly garbage time with the potential to get into the rotation by years end or if their are injuries. But I could see him being on the Bradley/Rozier tract where he doesn't play much year 1, in rotation year 2 and by year 4 is an above average starting center with Clint Capela like upside.


I doubt you are correct.
You gonna provide a reason for that doubt?


He can defend, rebound, and pass now, so why not use him now?

We have not had a big this athletic since KG.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: footey on October 28, 2018, 01:03:08 PM
NBA comparisons??

Maybe peak Emeka Okafor?

Best comp gets a TP

Trying to stay grounded as a Celtics fan; I'd say maybe Wilt Chamberlain or a rich man's Hakeem?  :laugh:

Truly awful comparisons. But: approved.
With his long arms and ability to block shots, Bill Russell. (not saying he will become Russell)
How about Horace Grant?
Switchy, long WS, good rebounder, quick laterally. About the same size

Horace Grant was a skilled ofensive player.  He had a very solid post game and he could knock down the mid range consistently.  I think our Robert Williams has more in common with Grant's replacement, Dennis Rodman.  Rodman was a defensive monster but severely limited offensively.  He had like no post moves and almost never stepped out to a 20 footer.  He was all put backs and easy dunks or layups, just like what I expect from Williams game.  Rodman came off the bench for those Pistons teams and was actually quite and reserved like our Robert Williams.  Rodman went cuckoo in San Antonio an Pop didn't know what to do with him.  It was in Chicago that he broke out and that was several years into his career.  With Williams work ethic I think he could turn in to Rodman with a decent offensive game and hopefully minus the crazy.

TP old school. I made same comparison to Rodman a few weeks back. They even have the same trotting gate in transition. Eerily similar.

I see Robert Williams as the future starting center for this team. Given all the scoring we have, it is almost an asset that he is not a scorer. He defends, blocks shots, rebounds. Polices the paint. Will fit in perfectly into this team’s future. Hoping with time  he can develop a respectable 3 point shot and foul shooting percentage, his only Achilles heal.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: nickagneta on October 28, 2018, 01:11:25 PM
I doubt he's gonna be a huge factor this year, probably mostly garbage time with the potential to get into the rotation by years end or if their are injuries. But I could see him being on the Bradley/Rozier tract where he doesn't play much year 1, in rotation year 2 and by year 4 is an above average starting center with Clint Capela like upside.


I doubt you are correct.
You gonna provide a reason for that doubt?


He can defend, rebound, and pass now, so why not use him now?

We have not had a big this athletic since KG.
At this point he isn't close to being the all around player that Horford, Baynes or Theis is. So you use him when people are hurt or when you are in a blowout like last night. Let him grow his game in practice, walk through, video study, pre game coaching and let him grow slow learning from the better players in front of him. He will get some run this year but isn't good enough to have earned regular rotational minutes. Not with Horford, Baynes and Theis in front of him.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on October 28, 2018, 01:25:14 PM
Same as normal. CBS will not forcefeed rookies. They will get opportunities if they earn it.

Williams earned more opportunities last night in the right future matchups. He has earned it through his hard work and attitude.

The league is terrified of the trajectory Robert Williams is on with CBS coaching, Horford's example, and Williams hard work and talent.

How about this for a bold statement: there's a slim possibility that Williams becomes the best big (and player) in this draft.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: footey on October 28, 2018, 01:35:38 PM
I doubt he's gonna be a huge factor this year, probably mostly garbage time with the potential to get into the rotation by years end or if their are injuries. But I could see him being on the Bradley/Rozier tract where he doesn't play much year 1, in rotation year 2 and by year 4 is an above average starting center with Clint Capela like upside.


I doubt you are correct.
You gonna provide a reason for that doubt?


He can defend, rebound, and pass now, so why not use him now?

We have not had a big this athletic since KG.
At this point he isn't close to being the all around player that Horford, Baynes or Theis is. So you use him when people are hurt or when you are in a blowout like last night. Let him grow his game in practice, walk through, video study, pre game coaching and let him grow slow learning from the better players in front of him. He will get some run this year but isn't good enough to have earned regular rotational minutes. Not with Horford, Baynes and Theis in front of him.

Nick I think you are underselling his ability to contribute to the team this season. He has a defensive skill set unmatched by anyone on this team. Maybe in the league.

For example, watch Kawhii post up this season. No one can guard him. He takes a fade-away turnaround with high release point that is almost impossible to defend. Brown can’t guard him. Would love to see Williams get experience defending him in regular season. I bet with experience — not going for head fakes— he may be able to cover him.

Because if we don’t figure out a way to stop Kawhii’s post up game, we are not going to the finals. I have watched most of their games this season. He is lethal.

Ditto on defending Durant if we make it to the finals.

Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: rollie mass on October 28, 2018, 02:49:29 PM
Robert is 20 was under coached and played out of position last season.Being surrounded by youth that want to be great and all star vets now
Brad will find him time under proper situations.I saw a clip of him knocking down corner threes in Madison Square Garden.This kid is coordinated and don't believe for a second he will not develop a more well rounded game.
Lopez is shooting threes ,Al has turned into the best big shooting threes,even Baynes has improved
2 offensive rebounds, a clever assist, three blocks and a pick and roll dunk.
It's a long season
His short minutes allow his knee to heal as he eases into and gets tested in different situations.
I saw him last season in transition pull a euro step for a score.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: 86MaxwellSmart on October 28, 2018, 02:52:39 PM
Same as normal. CBS will not forcefeed rookies. They will get opportunities if they earn it.

Williams earned more opportunities last night in the right future matchups. He has earned it through his hard work and attitude.

The league is terrified of the trajectory Robert Williams is on with CBS coaching, Horford's example, and Williams hard work and talent.

How about this for a bold statement: there's a slim possibility that Williams becomes the best big (and player) in this draft.

He's very agile/light on his feet...when we drafted him, I envisioned a plodder, cause he went so late, like Perkins.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: OldSchoolDude on October 28, 2018, 03:03:19 PM
NBA comparisons??

Maybe peak Emeka Okafor?

Best comp gets a TP

Trying to stay grounded as a Celtics fan; I'd say maybe Wilt Chamberlain or a rich man's Hakeem?  :laugh:

Truly awful comparisons. But: approved.
With his long arms and ability to block shots, Bill Russell. (not saying he will become Russell)
How about Horace Grant?
Switchy, long WS, good rebounder, quick laterally. About the same size

Horace Grant was a skilled ofensive player.  He had a very solid post game and he could knock down the mid range consistently.  I think our Robert Williams has more in common with Grant's replacement, Dennis Rodman.  Rodman was a defensive monster but severely limited offensively.  He had like no post moves and almost never stepped out to a 20 footer.  He was all put backs and easy dunks or layups, just like what I expect from Williams game.  Rodman came off the bench for those Pistons teams and was actually quite and reserved like our Robert Williams.  Rodman went cuckoo in San Antonio an Pop didn't know what to do with him.  It was in Chicago that he broke out and that was several years into his career.  With Williams work ethic I think he could turn in to Rodman with a decent offensive game and hopefully minus the crazy.

TP old school. I made same comparison to Rodman a few weeks back. They even have the same trotting gate in transition. Eerily similar.

I see Robert Williams as the future starting center for this team. Given all the scoring we have, it is almost an asset that he is not a scorer. He defends, blocks shots, rebounds. Polices the paint. Will fit in perfectly into this team’s future. Hoping with time  he can develop a respectable 3 point shot and foul shooting percentage, his only Achilles heal.

I don't know about center.  I'm thinking PF in the Rodman mold but hopefully with more offense.  He is taller than Rodman and with a larger wingspan, so that is a plus.  I think this draft could bring the center of the future and I think it could reasonably be Bol Bol.  That a 7'2 big man with 3 point range.  So even if Williams doesn't develop much offense Bol Bol can spread the floor on the offensive end. A front court of Tatum SF, Williams PF, and Bol Bol C would be crazy scary on D and probably just as scary on offense even with Williams limitations.   With Irving at the point the SG or last wing spot is the area brad will have a tough choice.  Either Brown or Hayward will need to go to the bench, and possibly both if we luck out and get Zion Williamson too.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: GreenShooter on October 28, 2018, 05:06:00 PM
Same as normal. CBS will not forcefeed rookies. They will get opportunities if they earn it.

Williams earned more opportunities last night in the right future matchups. He has earned it through his hard work and attitude.

The league is terrified of the trajectory Robert Williams is on with CBS coaching, Horford's example, and Williams hard work and talent.

How about this for a bold statement: there's a slim possibility that Williams becomes the best big (and player) in this draft.

He's very agile/light on his feet...when we drafted him, I envisioned a plodder, cause he went so late, like Perkins.
You obviously don't watch much college ball. His athleticism was evident from day 1 at A&M. His lack of offensive skills is what kept him lower in the lottery in mock drafts. Then some other issues popped up (injury concerns and maturity) that pushed him down the draft board.
When Perk was drafted, even though we knew he wasn't a Zion-like athlete, we didn't have much access to HS players unless they were off the charts. The best way to see them was in the all-start games. Now they show HS games on TV and lots of youtube stuff, especially if you luck out and run into some good stuff.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: 86MaxwellSmart on October 28, 2018, 05:20:45 PM
Same as normal. CBS will not forcefeed rookies. They will get opportunities if they earn it.

Williams earned more opportunities last night in the right future matchups. He has earned it through his hard work and attitude.

The league is terrified of the trajectory Robert Williams is on with CBS coaching, Horford's example, and Williams hard work and talent.

How about this for a bold statement: there's a slim possibility that Williams becomes the best big (and player) in this draft.

He's very agile/light on his feet...when we drafted him, I envisioned a plodder, cause he went so late, like Perkins.
You obviously don't watch much college ball. His athleticism was evident from day 1 at A&M. His lack of offensive skills is what kept him lower in the lottery in mock drafts. Then some other issues popped up (injury concerns and maturity) that pushed him down the draft board.
When Perk was drafted, even though we knew he wasn't a Zion-like athlete, we didn't have much access to HS players unless they were off the charts. The best way to see them was in the all-start games. Now they show HS games on TV and lots of youtube stuff, especially if you luck out and run into some good stuff.

You're correct--I didn't watch him at all in College--but have been pleasantly pleased from the few minutes he's received--looks like he's a real BB player....All I kept hearing was that he wasn't motivated.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: nickagneta on October 28, 2018, 05:54:47 PM
Same as normal. CBS will not forcefeed rookies. They will get opportunities if they earn it.

Williams earned more opportunities last night in the right future matchups. He has earned it through his hard work and attitude.

The league is terrified of the trajectory Robert Williams is on with CBS coaching, Horford's example, and Williams hard work and talent.

How about this for a bold statement: there's a slim possibility that Williams becomes the best big (and player) in this draft.

He's very agile/light on his feet...when we drafted him, I envisioned a plodder, cause he went so late, like Perkins.
You obviously don't watch much college ball. His athleticism was evident from day 1 at A&M. His lack of offensive skills is what kept him lower in the lottery in mock drafts. Then some other issues popped up (injury concerns and maturity) that pushed him down the draft board.
When Perk was drafted, even though we knew he wasn't a Zion-like athlete, we didn't have much access to HS players unless they were off the charts. The best way to see them was in the all-start games. Now they show HS games on TV and lots of youtube stuff, especially if you luck out and run into some good stuff.
I saw Williams at A&M as a freshman a couple times and thought he would be a monster his sophomore year. His potential was and still is off the charts. But bad coaching and playing in a two center system caused him to not develop at all. I think by year 4 we are looking at a more athletic Clint Capella. But is is still so very raw. We need to have patience. Stevens will play him when he is ready.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: SHAQATTACK on October 28, 2018, 06:25:09 PM
FREE Wlliamss

man got game.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: mef730 on October 29, 2018, 10:33:38 AM
The annual "I want the rookie to play more even though we have no idea if he's any good" thread.

#FreeMickey

Mike
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: tonydelk on October 29, 2018, 11:03:01 AM
I think the thing I have liked the most is that he clearly understands his role in the Celtic offensive sets. When Stevens calls for a multiple screen, or multiple step set, Williams knows his part.

He doesn't get lost on offense. He is not a step slow on his actions or cuts. He seems to have a really good feel already for the sets Stevens runs. That's promising for a young athletic big. Normally it takes a year or two for them to run their part of the offense as efficiently as Williams is.

On defense, when he switches onto opposing guards, he has been pretty good, but when he is off-ball, I've seen him be out of position or a step slow.

I noticed the same thing.  His awareness or maybe it's effort when off the ball isn't always there.    There are times he's in position and makes a good block and there were others where he just watched a guy go right to the hoop while he stood by his man and didn't rotate.  That's to be expected and needs improved upon.  I still don't think he's in NBA shape yet and this year is all about getting his body right, mind right and learning what it takes to be a pro.  I really want to see him in Maine playing 30 minutes a night.  I see a lot of DeAndre Jordan or a clint capela.  When he adds some weight he will definitely resemble Jordan. 
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: slamtheking on October 29, 2018, 11:19:50 AM
so far he's looking like a steal at where he was picked.  good athleticism.  looks like he has the potential to be a very good defensive center and active rebounder.  still early but seeing a lot more reasons to be optimistic than pessimistic about his future. 
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: Chris22 on October 29, 2018, 12:48:34 PM
The annual "I want the rookie to play more even though we have no idea if he's any good" thread.

#FreeMickey

Mike

No comparison. Mikey was much smaller and less athletic.

Williams is long and quick and a good passer.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: Big333223 on October 29, 2018, 01:16:45 PM
The annual "I want the rookie to play more even though we have no idea if he's any good" thread.

#FreeMickey

Mike

No comparison. Mikey was much smaller and less athletic.

Williams is long and quick and a good passer.

I don't think he was comparing the players, I think he was comparing the mentality that some fans have that the players we haven't seen yet must be better than the ones we have seen for no reason. Mickey is a good example of someone that some posters cried about not getting enough minutes right up until he was completely out of the league.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: Chris22 on October 29, 2018, 11:04:59 PM
The annual "I want the rookie to play more even though we have no idea if he's any good" thread.

#FreeMickey

Mike

No comparison. Mikey was much smaller and less athletic.

Williams is long and quick and a good passer.

I don't think he was comparing the players, I think he was comparing the mentality that some fans have that the players we haven't seen yet must be better than the ones we have seen for no reason. Mickey is a good example of someone that some posters cried about not getting enough minutes right up until he was completely out of the league.

I have seen plenty of Williams. If he stays healthy, he can be really good.

It is like the first time I saw Rondo, I knew he was going to be good.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: CelticsFanFromNYC on October 29, 2018, 11:30:04 PM
Not sure if I should participate in this thread. I had high hopes for Mickey
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: gouki88 on October 29, 2018, 11:51:00 PM
Not sure if I should participate in this thread. I had high hopes for Mickey
Mickey seemingly had the physical tools, just nothing else apparently.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: KG Living Legend on October 30, 2018, 12:46:14 AM

 No need to bring up Mickey. He's not in the same class. Just talking measurements. Enter Sandman has a 9'4" standing reach. Which is ultra elite. Mickey was 8'10" if memory serves me. Which is horrible for a center.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: liam on October 30, 2018, 01:06:58 AM
Not sure if I should participate in this thread. I had high hopes for Mickey
Mickey seemingly had the physical tools, just nothing else apparently.

Mickey's physical tools pale in comparison to Robert Williams. Williams also has better hands, better passing and sees the game better.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: gouki88 on October 30, 2018, 02:42:40 AM
Not sure if I should participate in this thread. I had high hopes for Mickey
Mickey seemingly had the physical tools, just nothing else apparently.

Mickey's physical tools pale in comparison to Robert Williams. Williams also has better hands, better passing and sees the game better.
Oh most certainly, Williams is essentially better at everything. I just thought best case Mickey could've been Tyrus Thomas-like
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: Androslav on October 30, 2018, 03:45:22 AM
Not sure if I should participate in this thread. I had high hopes for Mickey
Mickey seemingly had the physical tools, just nothing else apparently.

Mickey's physical tools pale in comparison to Robert Williams. Williams also has better hands, better passing and sees the game better.
Oh most certainly, Williams is essentially better at everything. I just thought best case Mickey could've been Tyrus Thomas-like
Mickey can't put his head at rim height.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: gouki88 on October 30, 2018, 05:17:12 AM
Not sure if I should participate in this thread. I had high hopes for Mickey
Mickey seemingly had the physical tools, just nothing else apparently.

Mickey's physical tools pale in comparison to Robert Williams. Williams also has better hands, better passing and sees the game better.
Oh most certainly, Williams is essentially better at everything. I just thought best case Mickey could've been Tyrus Thomas-like
Mickey can't put his head at rim height.
He's also shorter than Thomas, hence I never thought he'd be the same guy, just a similar undersized big
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: Celtics4ever on October 30, 2018, 06:41:32 AM
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Mickey seemingly had the physical tools, just nothing else apparently.

Mickey had to gather himself to jump.   Williams is a human pogo stick and get up there without gathering himself by bending his knees.   This will make a guy quicker off his feet.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: Sophomore on October 30, 2018, 08:08:32 AM
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Mickey seemingly had the physical tools, just nothing else apparently.

Mickey had to gather himself to jump.   Williams is a human pogo stick and get up there without gathering himself by bending his knees.   This will make a guy quicker off his feet.

Agree. Also I think Williams is stronger through his core and upper body. Mickey always looked a little gangly out there to me.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: slamtheking on October 30, 2018, 08:43:22 AM
wow, the last page pretty much dedicated to Mickey bashing.  somewhere, Triboy is curled up in a ball weeping thanks to you guys.  ;)
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: gouki88 on October 30, 2018, 08:43:35 AM
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Mickey seemingly had the physical tools, just nothing else apparently.

Mickey had to gather himself to jump.   Williams is a human pogo stick and get up there without gathering himself by bending his knees.   This will make a guy quicker off his feet.

Agree. Also I think Williams is stronger through his core and upper body. Mickey always looked a little gangly out there to me.
Yeah, Williams looks strong, and has some crazy athleticism. That alley-oop against Detroit was awesome
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: playdream on October 30, 2018, 09:23:56 AM
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Mickey seemingly had the physical tools, just nothing else apparently.

Mickey had to gather himself to jump.   Williams is a human pogo stick and get up there without gathering himself by bending his knees.   This will make a guy quicker off his feet.

Agree. Also I think Williams is stronger through his core and upper body. Mickey always looked a little gangly out there to me.
Yeah, Williams looks strong, and has some crazy athleticism. That alley-oop against Detroit was awesome
Don't know about the strong part, stronger than Mickey yes but he is lacking strength even in college
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: Chris22 on October 30, 2018, 02:17:29 PM
The play that impressed me the most was in preseason. Williams got beaten off the dribble by a guard, recovered, caught up with the guy, and blocked his shot from behind.

I thought, "Hello!"
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: mef730 on October 30, 2018, 02:41:22 PM
The annual "I want the rookie to play more even though we have no idea if he's any good" thread.

#FreeMickey

Mike

No comparison. Mikey was much smaller and less athletic.

Williams is long and quick and a good passer.

I don't think he was comparing the players, I think he was comparing the mentality that some fans have that the players we haven't seen yet must be better than the ones we have seen for no reason. Mickey is a good example of someone that some posters cried about not getting enough minutes right up until he was completely out of the league.

Ding ding ding. But it was good to have a Jordan Mickey conversation again. Tomorrow, I'm going to try to get people talking about James Young.

Mike
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: Chris22 on October 30, 2018, 03:10:52 PM
The annual "I want the rookie to play more even though we have no idea if he's any good" thread.

#FreeMickey

Mike

No comparison. Mikey was much smaller and less athletic.

Williams is long and quick and a good passer.

I don't think he was comparing the players, I think he was comparing the mentality that some fans have that the players we haven't seen yet must be better than the ones we have seen for no reason. Mickey is a good example of someone that some posters cried about not getting enough minutes right up until he was completely out of the league.

Ding ding ding. But it was good to have a Jordan Mickey conversation again. Tomorrow, I'm going to try to get people talking about James Young.

Mike

You do that. I will continue to talk about Williams.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: liam on October 30, 2018, 03:11:02 PM
The annual "I want the rookie to play more even though we have no idea if he's any good" thread.

#FreeMickey

Mike

No comparison. Mikey was much smaller and less athletic.

Williams is long and quick and a good passer.

I don't think he was comparing the players, I think he was comparing the mentality that some fans have that the players we haven't seen yet must be better than the ones we have seen for no reason. Mickey is a good example of someone that some posters cried about not getting enough minutes right up until he was completely out of the league.

Ding ding ding. But it was good to have a Jordan Mickey conversation again. Tomorrow, I'm going to try to get people talking about James Young.

Mike

Don't forget about Jérôme Moïso!

Robert Williams has already shown more in a tiny amount of minutes than all of these forgotten dudes combined.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: LatterDayCelticsfan on October 30, 2018, 03:23:44 PM
The annual "I want the rookie to play more even though we have no idea if he's any good" thread.

#FreeMickey

Mike

No comparison. Mikey was much smaller and less athletic.

Williams is long and quick and a good passer.

I don't think he was comparing the players, I think he was comparing the mentality that some fans have that the players we haven't seen yet must be better than the ones we have seen for no reason. Mickey is a good example of someone that some posters cried about not getting enough minutes right up until he was completely out of the league.

Ding ding ding. But it was good to have a Jordan Mickey conversation again. Tomorrow, I'm going to try to get people talking about James Young.

Mike

Don't forget about Jérôme Moïso!

Robert Williams has already shown more in a tiny amount of minutes than all of these forgotten dudes combined.

We'll stop pining for Greg Stiemsma then 🤣
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: liam on October 30, 2018, 03:30:46 PM
The annual "I want the rookie to play more even though we have no idea if he's any good" thread.

#FreeMickey

Mike

No comparison. Mikey was much smaller and less athletic.

Williams is long and quick and a good passer.

I don't think he was comparing the players, I think he was comparing the mentality that some fans have that the players we haven't seen yet must be better than the ones we have seen for no reason. Mickey is a good example of someone that some posters cried about not getting enough minutes right up until he was completely out of the league.

Ding ding ding. But it was good to have a Jordan Mickey conversation again. Tomorrow, I'm going to try to get people talking about James Young.

Mike

Don't forget about Jérôme Moïso!

Robert Williams has already shown more in a tiny amount of minutes than all of these forgotten dudes combined.

We'll stop pining for Greg Stiemsma then 🤣

He's only 33.  ;D
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: GreenShooter on October 30, 2018, 04:26:58 PM
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Mickey seemingly had the physical tools, just nothing else apparently.

Mickey had to gather himself to jump.   Williams is a human pogo stick and get up there without gathering himself by bending his knees.   This will make a guy quicker off his feet.
I had the same gift so I know what a HUGE advantage it was for me from rebounding, to put backs to challenging shots. It's a gift and not something one can develop.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: hwangjini_1 on October 30, 2018, 05:21:20 PM
The annual "I want the rookie to play more even though we have no idea if he's any good" thread.

#FreeMickey

Mike

No comparison. Mikey was much smaller and less athletic.

Williams is long and quick and a good passer.

I don't think he was comparing the players, I think he was comparing the mentality that some fans have that the players we haven't seen yet must be better than the ones we have seen for no reason. Mickey is a good example of someone that some posters cried about not getting enough minutes right up until he was completely out of the league.

Ding ding ding. But it was good to have a Jordan Mickey conversation again. Tomorrow, I'm going to try to get people talking about James Young.

Mike

Don't forget about Jérôme Moïso!

Robert Williams has already shown more in a tiny amount of minutes than all of these forgotten dudes combined.

We'll stop pining for Greg Stiemsma then 🤣

He's only 33.  ;D
and i met him about 3 years ago in a hotel lobby when his team was staying there. a nice guy.  ;D
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: moiso on October 30, 2018, 05:39:10 PM
The annual "I want the rookie to play more even though we have no idea if he's any good" thread.

#FreeMickey

Mike

No comparison. Mikey was much smaller and less athletic.

Williams is long and quick and a good passer.

I don't think he was comparing the players, I think he was comparing the mentality that some fans have that the players we haven't seen yet must be better than the ones we have seen for no reason. Mickey is a good example of someone that some posters cried about not getting enough minutes right up until he was completely out of the league.

Ding ding ding. But it was good to have a Jordan Mickey conversation again. Tomorrow, I'm going to try to get people talking about James Young.

Mike

Don't forget about Jérôme Moïso!

Robert Williams has already shown more in a tiny amount of minutes than all of these forgotten dudes combined.
I could never forget about Jerome Moiso.  I was more excited about him at the time than I am now about Williams.   I always used to fall for those guys with great tools.  Obviously that sounds stupid to say now.  Hopefully Williams becomes the player that Moiso never became :D
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: willyd24 on October 31, 2018, 12:02:54 AM
Anyone else a little upset that Robert didn’t see more action last night? When Horford and Baynes each had 4 fouls with 4 or 3 minutes left in the 3rd Quarter I thought for sure we’d see Robert in the game. Instead he sends in Yabusele for the end of the 3rd and the beginning of the 4th. Nothing against Yabusele, he’s fine, it’s just that I’ve seen enough of him over the years and have kind of given up on him. I’d rather give those minutes to a promising rookie who could use some experience in games where it’s not garbage time. Again, not a huge deal just wish the minutes were going to Robert so he can develop instead of a 22-year old who hasn’t cracked the rotation in 3 years.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: liam on October 31, 2018, 12:24:07 AM
The annual "I want the rookie to play more even though we have no idea if he's any good" thread.

#FreeMickey

Mike

No comparison. Mikey was much smaller and less athletic.

Williams is long and quick and a good passer.

I don't think he was comparing the players, I think he was comparing the mentality that some fans have that the players we haven't seen yet must be better than the ones we have seen for no reason. Mickey is a good example of someone that some posters cried about not getting enough minutes right up until he was completely out of the league.

Ding ding ding. But it was good to have a Jordan Mickey conversation again. Tomorrow, I'm going to try to get people talking about James Young.

Mike

Don't forget about Jérôme Moïso!

Robert Williams has already shown more in a tiny amount of minutes than all of these forgotten dudes combined.
I could never forget about Jerome Moiso.  I was more excited about him at the time than I am now about Williams.   I always used to fall for those guys with great tools.  Obviously that sounds stupid to say now.  Hopefully Williams becomes the player that Moiso never became :D

I am always way too excited about every Celtics draft pick. I think the only one I wasn't excited about was Joe Forte.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: nickagneta on October 31, 2018, 12:28:08 AM
Anyone else a little upset that Robert didn’t see more action last night? When Horford and Baynes each had 4 fouls with 4 or 3 minutes left in the 3rd Quarter I thought for sure we’d see Robert in the game. Instead he sends in Yabusele for the end of the 3rd and the beginning of the 4th. Nothing against Yabusele, he’s fine, it’s just that I’ve seen enough of him over the years and have kind of given up on him. I’d rather give those minutes to a promising rookie who could use some experience in games where it’s not garbage time. Again, not a huge deal just wish the minutes were going to Robert so he can develop instead of a 22-year old who hasn’t cracked the rotation in 3 years.
And yet last year a bunch of people on this site were clamoring for Yabu to get minutes before Ojeleye and Theis.

You just have " I-have-barely-seen-this-new-rookie-so-we-obviously-need-to-play-him-because-he-is-definitely-better-than-the-players-playing-in-front-of-him-because-Yea- rookies! syndrome.

Don't worry. You will be over it sometime during the 2019-20 season when you will be demanding one of the two possible Celtic high draft picks to be playing.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: CelticsElite on October 31, 2018, 01:05:50 AM
Robert wliams is getting The rookie treatment . Its like that in sports. Doc rivers did it a lot
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: GreenEnvy on October 31, 2018, 01:09:35 AM
It didn’t count or mean anything, but I was impressed with his (one-handed?) ally-oop off Kyrie’s heave to end the half.

Def has hops, looks like he has good hands too. Still too raw. Hopefully he puts in the work and dedication to becoming an impact (or better) player.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: Chris22 on October 31, 2018, 03:44:07 AM
Anyone else a little upset that Robert didn’t see more action last night? When Horford and Baynes each had 4 fouls with 4 or 3 minutes left in the 3rd Quarter I thought for sure we’d see Robert in the game. Instead he sends in Yabusele for the end of the 3rd and the beginning of the 4th. Nothing against Yabusele, he’s fine, it’s just that I’ve seen enough of him over the years and have kind of given up on him. I’d rather give those minutes to a promising rookie who could use some experience in games where it’s not garbage time. Again, not a huge deal just wish the minutes were going to Robert so he can develop instead of a 22-year old who hasn’t cracked the rotation in 3 years.

We keep getting killed inside by bigger players. Brad refuses to use Williams, fine, but at least double team when the post up guy turns his head.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: knuckleballer on October 31, 2018, 04:36:22 AM
Anyone else a little upset that Robert didn’t see more action last night? When Horford and Baynes each had 4 fouls with 4 or 3 minutes left in the 3rd Quarter I thought for sure we’d see Robert in the game. Instead he sends in Yabusele for the end of the 3rd and the beginning of the 4th. Nothing against Yabusele, he’s fine, it’s just that I’ve seen enough of him over the years and have kind of given up on him. I’d rather give those minutes to a promising rookie who could use some experience in games where it’s not garbage time. Again, not a huge deal just wish the minutes were going to Robert so he can develop instead of a 22-year old who hasn’t cracked the rotation in 3 years.

I don't blame Stevens for not playing him if he doesn't think he's ready.  Stevens has earned that credibility, but we needed another big last night.  I'd really like to add another big once we are able to cut Bird.  I'd like to see Ainge workout Noah to see if he has anything left in the tank.  Are there any other centers available that we could add cheaply to provide depth?
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: Celtics4ever on October 31, 2018, 06:18:47 AM
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Brad refuses to use Williams, fine, but at least double team when the post up guy turns his head.

I don't think CBS knows to how to use traditional bigs.   Case in point, Greg Monroe.   He likes his bigs skilled and able to spread the floor, right now Williams is a talented work in progress.

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I'd like to see Ainge workout Noah to see if he has anything left in the tank.

No thanks, on Noah, he has the same limitations to a large degree as Williams, and he is old and worn.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: Androslav on October 31, 2018, 07:09:38 AM
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Brad refuses to use Williams, fine, but at least double team when the post up guy turns his head.

I don't think CBS knows to how to use traditional bigs.   Case in point, Greg Monroe.   He likes his bigs skilled and able to spread the floor, right now Williams is a talented work in progress.

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I'd like to see Ainge workout Noah to see if he has anything left in the tank.

No thanks, on Noah, he has the same limitations to a large degree as Williams, and he is old and worn.
Monroe? Noah?
They are not NBA players, that's why CBS didn't use them "well". Just as a cook couldn't use rubber as a main dish. It is not edible.
Traditional big is often a nice way to say that a taller guy doesn't posses the skills necessary for today's league.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: moiso on October 31, 2018, 07:34:17 AM
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Brad refuses to use Williams, fine, but at least double team when the post up guy turns his head.

I don't think CBS knows to how to use traditional bigs.   Case in point, Greg Monroe.   He likes his bigs skilled and able to spread the floor, right now Williams is a talented work in progress.

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I'd like to see Ainge workout Noah to see if he has anything left in the tank.

No thanks, on Noah, he has the same limitations to a large degree as Williams, and he is old and worn.
Monroe is barely getting off the bench in Toronto this year too... and was barely getting off the bench when the C's acquired him.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: gouki88 on October 31, 2018, 07:54:42 AM
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Brad refuses to use Williams, fine, but at least double team when the post up guy turns his head.

I don't think CBS knows to how to use traditional bigs.   Case in point, Greg Monroe.   He likes his bigs skilled and able to spread the floor, right now Williams is a talented work in progress.

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I'd like to see Ainge workout Noah to see if he has anything left in the tank.

No thanks, on Noah, he has the same limitations to a large degree as Williams, and he is old and worn.
Monroe is barely getting off the bench in Toronto this year too... and was barely getting off the bench when the C's acquired him.
Yeah, Moose not getting many minutes is more due to Baynes and Horford being better than him, and his limited skill-set. I always thought he was fun, but he is a poor defender and very unathletic, and has no range on offence.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: rondofan1255 on November 02, 2018, 12:14:10 PM
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.@rob_williamsIII has been assigned to the @maineredclaws.

https://twitter.com/celtics/status/1058384517076078594?s=21
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Chris22 on November 02, 2018, 12:40:40 PM
His first G League game is tonight. Where can I see it on tv?
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Eddie20 on November 02, 2018, 12:54:55 PM
His first G League game is tonight. Where can I see it on tv?

It'll be televised on NBATV
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Chris22 on November 02, 2018, 05:15:45 PM
His first G League game is tonight. Where can I see it on tv?

It'll be televised on NBATV

Awesome. TP.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Birdman on November 02, 2018, 05:22:03 PM
he needs to be playing on the Celtics..the way teams are easily driving to the rim with easy layups is awful
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: nickagneta on November 02, 2018, 05:31:39 PM
he needs to be playing on the Celtics..the way teams are easily driving to the rim with easy layups is awful
The Celtics sending rookies to Portland has always been a sign that Stevens doesn't feel he is good enough to get into a game except for garbage time and so send them to the G League to hone their skills.

I think a lot of people are going to have to start to accept that Williams isn't ready for minutes and most likely won't be this year.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: JBcat on November 02, 2018, 05:38:34 PM
His first G League game is tonight. Where can I see it on tv?

It'll be televised on NBATV

Awesome. TP.

Hmm I don’t see it on the NBATV channel tonight?
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Eddie20 on November 02, 2018, 05:58:29 PM
His first G League game is tonight. Where can I see it on tv?

It'll be televised on NBATV

Awesome. TP.

Hmm I don’t see it on the NBATV channel tonight?

Yeah, I don't see it either, but I heard it was from I believe Locked on Celtics. It is scheduled to be televised tomorrow at 4pm on NBC Sports Boston.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: knuckleballer on November 02, 2018, 06:00:00 PM
Wouldn't it make sense for NBC Sports Boston to carry the Red Claws games.  If not live, then during the next day instead of all that garbage they have on.  Then people could DVR it.

Edit:  apparently, they do
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: knuckleballer on November 02, 2018, 06:01:25 PM
His first G League game is tonight. Where can I see it on tv?

It'll be televised on NBATV

Awesome. TP.

Hmm I don’t see it on the NBATV channel tonight?

Yeah, I don't see it either, but I heard it was from I believe Locked on Celtics. It is scheduled to be televised tomorrow at 4pm on NBC Sports Boston.

You answered my question just before I asked it.  TP
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Neurotic Guy on November 02, 2018, 06:02:08 PM
he needs to be playing on the Celtics..the way teams are easily driving to the rim with easy layups is awful
The Celtics sending rookies to Portland has always been a sign that Stevens doesn't feel he is good enough to get into a game except for garbage time and so send them to the G League to hone their skills.

I think a lot of people are going to have to start to accept that Williams isn't ready for minutes and most likely won't be this year.

Of course he isn't ready today or he'd be playing.  But I don't think it's necessarily a sign that he won't be ready this year.  Williams didn't look anywhere near as lost as we've seen other rookies look.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: A Future of Stevens on November 02, 2018, 06:02:57 PM
he needs to be playing on the Celtics..the way teams are easily driving to the rim with easy layups is awful
The Celtics sending rookies to Portland has always been a sign that Stevens doesn't feel he is good enough to get into a game except for garbage time and so send them to the G League to hone their skills.

I think a lot of people are going to have to start to accept that Williams isn't ready for minutes and most likely won't be this year.

It's hard to couple this with the fact that Williams has looked promising when he has been in the game this year. I mean he looks the part of a freakish shot blocker already.

Yet I agree with you. He is raw and We/I need to accept it. He basically only brings athleticism/and passing to the table. I bet he will do well in the G league if he attacks it.

Anything he provides this year is gravy.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Emmette Bryant on November 02, 2018, 06:04:57 PM
His first G League game is tonight. Where can I see it on tv?

It'll be televised on NBATV

Awesome. TP.

Hmm I don’t see it on the NBATV channel tonight?

Yeah, I don't see it either, but I heard it was from I believe Locked on Celtics. It is scheduled to be televised tomorrow at 4pm on NBC Sports Boston.

You answered my question just before I asked it.  TP

my memory is that Red Claws games are live on Facebook and/or youtube
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Chris22 on November 02, 2018, 06:58:10 PM
Here it is....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQdpUIA-SOE
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Chris22 on November 02, 2018, 07:15:06 PM
https://www.facebook.com/nbagleague/videos/740483579626693/
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on November 02, 2018, 07:33:14 PM
Interesting note: the announcer said that Williams was on a 25 minute restriction tonight. This was not likely to be an issue for the Cs this year, but it is for the g-league team.

It may be connected to the syndrome about his legs. It also could be connected to his general stamina. Either way, I found it interesting.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Emmette Bryant on November 03, 2018, 02:14:56 AM
Williams is #43


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnI9vX89_p8
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: gouki88 on November 03, 2018, 02:22:30 AM
Williams is #43


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnI9vX89_p8
I know it's G-League, but the defence and passing is still great to see. Getting dunks and layups inside is fun, especially offensive boards, but seeing his BBIQ on display is the most exciting thing to me
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Birdman on November 03, 2018, 04:22:59 AM
What did he do..i didnt see it
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: knuckleballer on November 03, 2018, 04:40:43 AM
What did he do..i didnt see it

24 minutes, 11 points on 5-5 shooting, 10 rebs, 3 blocks, 2 assists.

I didn't see it, but here's the box score
https://gleague.nba.com/games/20181102/WESMNE/
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Celtics4ever on November 03, 2018, 07:51:23 AM
He is not an offensive juggernaut, but we don't need him to be one.   
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: A Future of Stevens on November 03, 2018, 10:12:25 AM
https://youtu.be/eyT9YDSrl-M

Highlights of Williams.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: Redz on November 03, 2018, 10:21:14 AM
https://youtu.be/eyT9YDSrl-M

Highlights of Williams.

Love the blocks
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: SHAQATTACK on November 03, 2018, 10:56:01 AM
like how in the Claws game he was seeing the court and making spot on passes.   He surpaseses my expectations in the court IQ dept. 
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Emmette Bryant on November 03, 2018, 11:29:25 AM
RW3 has been recalled from Maine   

https://twitter.com/celtics/status/1058737135333851137?s=21
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: liam on November 03, 2018, 11:31:56 AM
like how in the Claws game he was seeing the court and making spot on passes.   He surpaseses my expectations in the court IQ dept.

I agree on the IQ. He has great hands and is a great run and jump athlete. His passing is very good. The best part is he's only 21 years old.
Title: Re: Robert Williams(Merged Threads)
Post by: ImShakHeIsShaq on November 03, 2018, 12:03:24 PM
Interesting note: the announcer said that Williams was on a 25 minute restriction tonight. This was not likely to be an issue for the Cs this year, but it is for the g-league team.

It may be connected to the syndrome about his legs. It also could be connected to his general stamina. Either way, I found it interesting.

Because of the back to back. Big club game today.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: PAOBoston on November 03, 2018, 12:52:51 PM
Hell never be an offensive player, but if he rebound and play defense, he should be a very useful squad player and possible starter at some point.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: hwangjini_1 on November 03, 2018, 09:29:22 PM
Williams update. In a g league game he scored 11 points and had10 rebounds. Plus some impressive blocks.

Here is the video...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FnI9vX89_p8
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: footey on November 03, 2018, 09:32:30 PM
Sabonis killed Baynes. Don’t know why Brad doesn’t at least try Williams.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: nickagneta on November 03, 2018, 09:53:21 PM
Sabonis killed Baynes. Don’t know why Brad doesn’t at least try Williams.
Because he isn't ready. Just because he had 8 minutes of decent play in garbage time doesn't mean he is ready to play or better than the players in front of him. Stevens is a great coach and has developed some great talent. He doesn't think Williams is ready and he knows his physical condition, how he looks in practice and how much Williams knows of the Celtics offensive and defensive sets.

This is just another perfect example of Celtics fans wanting to see a new player play because they think that player is better than they are because the player looked decent for 5 minutes in one game in garbage time. How many times do we need to hear Free Mickey or Free RJ Hunter or Free James Young or Free Yabu just to find out that player sucks and is close to being out of the league in a year or two.

Not saying Williams will be bad enough to be out of the league in a year or two. Honestly I see great things in him. But he isn't NBA ready yet and may not be this year. There is nothing wrong with that. We just need to have patience. If Stevens isn't playing him during rotational minutes, there is a reason for that. That reason is Williams isn't ready.

Stevens isn't Doc Rivers. He doesn't bury first year players. Smart, Brown and Tatum all got good run their rookie years. Heck, so did Ojeleye. Stevens will play rookies when they are good enough to earn rotational minutes. That Williams isn't getting those minutes should tell you all you need to know about how ready Williams is. Heck, he is on a minutes restriction in the G League. What do you think that tells you about how physically ready he is for the big league?
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: willyd24 on November 03, 2018, 10:26:27 PM
Sabonis killed Baynes. Don’t know why Brad doesn’t at least try Williams.
Because he isn't ready. Just because he had 8 minutes of decent play in garbage time doesn't mean he is ready to play or better than the players in front of him. Stevens is a great coach and has developed some great talent. He doesn't think Williams is ready and he knows his physical condition, how he looks in practice and how much Williams knows of the Celtics offensive and defensive sets.

This is just another perfect example of Celtics fans wanting to see a new player play because they think that player is better than they are because the player looked decent for 5 minutes in one game in garbage time. How many times do we need to hear Free Mickey or Free RJ Hunter or Free James Young or Free Yabu just to find out that player sucks and is close to being out of the league in a year or two.

Not saying Williams will be bad enough to be out of the league in a year or two. Honestly I see great things in him. But he isn't NBA ready yet and may not be this year. There is nothing wrong with that. We just need to have patience. If Stevens isn't playing him during rotational minutes, there is a reason for that. That reason is Williams isn't ready.

Stevens isn't Doc Rivers. He doesn't bury first year players. Smart, Brown and Tatum all got good run their rookie years. Heck, so did Ojeleye. Stevens will play rookies when they are good enough to earn rotational minutes. That Williams isn't getting those minutes should tell you all you need to know about how ready Williams is. Heck, he is on a minutes restriction in the G League. What do you think that tells you about how physically ready he is for the big league?

I’m so sick of people that keep saying this. Would Williams have made a difference tonight, who knows, but the fact that people keep saying we can’t base our assumptions on his previous garbage time minutes is so annoying. If you don’t want us to make assumptions based on his garbage time minutes then play him in a game that actually matters. It’s not our fault that Stevens hasn’t played him when it matters. I honestly don’t see what the problem is with giving him minutes in a meaningful game. The worse that happens is he messes up once and then you simply pull him and don’t play him anymore. Then fans who want to see him play will shut up because he gave him a shot and he wasn’t good enough.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: willyd24 on November 03, 2018, 10:26:27 PM
Sabonis killed Baynes. Don’t know why Brad doesn’t at least try Williams.
Because he isn't ready. Just because he had 8 minutes of decent play in garbage time doesn't mean he is ready to play or better than the players in front of him. Stevens is a great coach and has developed some great talent. He doesn't think Williams is ready and he knows his physical condition, how he looks in practice and how much Williams knows of the Celtics offensive and defensive sets.

This is just another perfect example of Celtics fans wanting to see a new player play because they think that player is better than they are because the player looked decent for 5 minutes in one game in garbage time. How many times do we need to hear Free Mickey or Free RJ Hunter or Free James Young or Free Yabu just to find out that player sucks and is close to being out of the league in a year or two.

Not saying Williams will be bad enough to be out of the league in a year or two. Honestly I see great things in him. But he isn't NBA ready yet and may not be this year. There is nothing wrong with that. We just need to have patience. If Stevens isn't playing him during rotational minutes, there is a reason for that. That reason is Williams isn't ready.

Stevens isn't Doc Rivers. He doesn't bury first year players. Smart, Brown and Tatum all got good run their rookie years. Heck, so did Ojeleye. Stevens will play rookies when they are good enough to earn rotational minutes. That Williams isn't getting those minutes should tell you all you need to know about how ready Williams is. Heck, he is on a minutes restriction in the G League. What do you think that tells you about how physically ready he is for the big league?

I’m so sick of people that keep saying this. Would Williams have made a difference tonight, who knows, but the fact that people keep saying we can’t base our assumptions on his previous garbage time minutes is so annoying. If you don’t want us to make assumptions based on his garbage time minutes then play him in a game that actually matters. It’s not our fault that Stevens hasn’t played him when it matters. I honestly don’t see what the problem is with giving him minutes in a meaningful game. The worse that happens is he messes up once and then you simply pull him and don’t play him anymore. Then fans who want to see him play will shut up because he gave him a shot and he wasn’t good enough.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: nickagneta on November 03, 2018, 10:49:05 PM
Sabonis killed Baynes. Don’t know why Brad doesn’t at least try Williams.
Because he isn't ready. Just because he had 8 minutes of decent play in garbage time doesn't mean he is ready to play or better than the players in front of him. Stevens is a great coach and has developed some great talent. He doesn't think Williams is ready and he knows his physical condition, how he looks in practice and how much Williams knows of the Celtics offensive and defensive sets.

This is just another perfect example of Celtics fans wanting to see a new player play because they think that player is better than they are because the player looked decent for 5 minutes in one game in garbage time. How many times do we need to hear Free Mickey or Free RJ Hunter or Free James Young or Free Yabu just to find out that player sucks and is close to being out of the league in a year or two.

Not saying Williams will be bad enough to be out of the league in a year or two. Honestly I see great things in him. But he isn't NBA ready yet and may not be this year. There is nothing wrong with that. We just need to have patience. If Stevens isn't playing him during rotational minutes, there is a reason for that. That reason is Williams isn't ready.

Stevens isn't Doc Rivers. He doesn't bury first year players. Smart, Brown and Tatum all got good run their rookie years. Heck, so did Ojeleye. Stevens will play rookies when they are good enough to earn rotational minutes. That Williams isn't getting those minutes should tell you all you need to know about how ready Williams is. Heck, he is on a minutes restriction in the G League. What do you think that tells you about how physically ready he is for the big league?

I’m so sick of people that keep saying this. Would Williams have made a difference tonight, who knows, but the fact that people keep saying we can’t base our assumptions on his previous garbage time minutes is so annoying. If you don’t want us to make assumptions based on his garbage time minutes then play him in a game that actually matters. It’s not our fault that Stevens hasn’t played him when it matters. I honestly don’t see what the problem is with giving him minutes in a meaningful game. The worse that happens is he messes up once and then you simply pull him and don’t play him anymore. Then fans who want to see him play will shut up because he gave him a shot and he wasn’t good enough.
Dude, the fans don't know what's best for this team, the coaching staff and front office does. It's not their job to prove to fans that unused rookies aren't good enough to play. That concept is ridiculous.

What is Stevens supposed to do? He knows a player isn't ready yet. He can see it in practice, walk through, video study and physical conditioning but Stevens should say "Well I might as well play this guy I know isn't ready or better than the players in front of him just to prove to fans he isn't ready." Really? Is that what he is supposed to do? That's absurd.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: Chris22 on November 04, 2018, 01:16:31 AM
Sabonis killed Baynes. Don’t know why Brad doesn’t at least try Williams.


I agree. Our interior defense is not good.


But when one team shoots 25 free throws and the other one 9, you have to wonder if the fix is in.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: liam on November 04, 2018, 01:20:23 AM
Sabonis killed Baynes. Don’t know why Brad doesn’t at least try Williams.
Because he isn't ready. Just because he had 8 minutes of decent play in garbage time doesn't mean he is ready to play or better than the players in front of him. Stevens is a great coach and has developed some great talent. He doesn't think Williams is ready and he knows his physical condition, how he looks in practice and how much Williams knows of the Celtics offensive and defensive sets.

This is just another perfect example of Celtics fans wanting to see a new player play because they think that player is better than they are because the player looked decent for 5 minutes in one game in garbage time. How many times do we need to hear Free Mickey or Free RJ Hunter or Free James Young or Free Yabu just to find out that player sucks and is close to being out of the league in a year or two.

Not saying Williams will be bad enough to be out of the league in a year or two. Honestly I see great things in him. But he isn't NBA ready yet and may not be this year. There is nothing wrong with that. We just need to have patience. If Stevens isn't playing him during rotational minutes, there is a reason for that. That reason is Williams isn't ready.

Stevens isn't Doc Rivers. He doesn't bury first year players. Smart, Brown and Tatum all got good run their rookie years. Heck, so did Ojeleye. Stevens will play rookies when they are good enough to earn rotational minutes. That Williams isn't getting those minutes should tell you all you need to know about how ready Williams is. Heck, he is on a minutes restriction in the G League. What do you think that tells you about how physically ready he is for the big league?

I’m so sick of people that keep saying this. Would Williams have made a difference tonight, who knows, but the fact that people keep saying we can’t base our assumptions on his previous garbage time minutes is so annoying. If you don’t want us to make assumptions based on his garbage time minutes then play him in a game that actually matters. It’s not our fault that Stevens hasn’t played him when it matters. I honestly don’t see what the problem is with giving him minutes in a meaningful game. The worse that happens is he messes up once and then you simply pull him and don’t play him anymore. Then fans who want to see him play will shut up because he gave him a shot and he wasn’t good enough.

Kyrie might have made a difference, 27 minutes and only 12 shots. The 4th most shots on the team.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: ederson on November 04, 2018, 02:32:59 AM
Sabonis killed Baynes. Don’t know why Brad doesn’t at least try Williams.
Because he isn't ready. Just because he had 8 minutes of decent play in garbage time doesn't mean he is ready to play or better than the players in front of him. Stevens is a great coach and has developed some great talent. He doesn't think Williams is ready and he knows his physical condition, how he looks in practice and how much Williams knows of the Celtics offensive and defensive sets.

This is just another perfect example of Celtics fans wanting to see a new player play because they think that player is better than they are because the player looked decent for 5 minutes in one game in garbage time. How many times do we need to hear Free Mickey or Free RJ Hunter or Free James Young or Free Yabu just to find out that player sucks and is close to being out of the league in a year or two.

Not saying Williams will be bad enough to be out of the league in a year or two. Honestly I see great things in him. But he isn't NBA ready yet and may not be this year. There is nothing wrong with that. We just need to have patience. If Stevens isn't playing him during rotational minutes, there is a reason for that. That reason is Williams isn't ready.

Stevens isn't Doc Rivers. He doesn't bury first year players. Smart, Brown and Tatum all got good run their rookie years. Heck, so did Ojeleye. Stevens will play rookies when they are good enough to earn rotational minutes. That Williams isn't getting those minutes should tell you all you need to know about how ready Williams is. Heck, he is on a minutes restriction in the G League. What do you think that tells you about how physically ready he is for the big league?

I’m so sick of people that keep saying this. Would Williams have made a difference tonight, who knows, but the fact that people keep saying we can’t base our assumptions on his previous garbage time minutes is so annoying. If you don’t want us to make assumptions based on his garbage time minutes then play him in a game that actually matters. It’s not our fault that Stevens hasn’t played him when it matters. I honestly don’t see what the problem is with giving him minutes in a meaningful game. The worse that happens is he messes up once and then you simply pull him and don’t play him anymore. Then fans who want to see him play will shut up because he gave him a shot and he wasn’t good enough.
Dude, the fans don't know what's best for this team, the coaching staff and front office does. It's not their job to prove to fans that unused rookies aren't good enough to play. That concept is ridiculous.

What is Stevens supposed to do? He knows a player isn't ready yet. He can see it in practice, walk through, video study and physical conditioning but Stevens should say "Well I might as well play this guy I know isn't ready or better than the players in front of him just to prove to fans he isn't ready." Really? Is that what he is supposed to do? That's absurd.

That is was happens when you spend the whole summer putting an end of first round rookie in the same sentence with Russel.   

When one of the most open minded coaches doesn't play a player is means the player is not ready. End of story.

Or that should be the end of the story but the know-it-all-sports-fan knows better because he watched youtube clips and checked the scouting report
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: Chris22 on November 06, 2018, 12:49:37 AM
Awesome offensive rebound and dunk by Williams tonight.

Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: Chris22 on November 06, 2018, 12:50:56 AM
Sabonis killed Baynes. Don’t know why Brad doesn’t at least try Williams.
Because he isn't ready. Just because he had 8 minutes of decent play in garbage time doesn't mean he is ready to play or better than the players in front of him. Stevens is a great coach and has developed some great talent. He doesn't think Williams is ready and he knows his physical condition, how he looks in practice and how much Williams knows of the Celtics offensive and defensive sets.

This is just another perfect example of Celtics fans wanting to see a new player play because they think that player is better than they are because the player looked decent for 5 minutes in one game in garbage time. How many times do we need to hear Free Mickey or Free RJ Hunter or Free James Young or Free Yabu just to find out that player sucks and is close to being out of the league in a year or two.

Not saying Williams will be bad enough to be out of the league in a year or two. Honestly I see great things in him. But he isn't NBA ready yet and may not be this year. There is nothing wrong with that. We just need to have patience. If Stevens isn't playing him during rotational minutes, there is a reason for that. That reason is Williams isn't ready.

Stevens isn't Doc Rivers. He doesn't bury first year players. Smart, Brown and Tatum all got good run their rookie years. Heck, so did Ojeleye. Stevens will play rookies when they are good enough to earn rotational minutes. That Williams isn't getting those minutes should tell you all you need to know about how ready Williams is. Heck, he is on a minutes restriction in the G League. What do you think that tells you about how physically ready he is for the big league?

I’m so sick of people that keep saying this. Would Williams have made a difference tonight, who knows, but the fact that people keep saying we can’t base our assumptions on his previous garbage time minutes is so annoying. If you don’t want us to make assumptions based on his garbage time minutes then play him in a game that actually matters. It’s not our fault that Stevens hasn’t played him when it matters. I honestly don’t see what the problem is with giving him minutes in a meaningful game. The worse that happens is he messes up once and then you simply pull him and don’t play him anymore. Then fans who want to see him play will shut up because he gave him a shot and he wasn’t good enough.
Dude, the fans don't know what's best for this team, the coaching staff and front office does. It's not their job to prove to fans that unused rookies aren't good enough to play. That concept is ridiculous.

What is Stevens supposed to do? He knows a player isn't ready yet. He can see it in practice, walk through, video study and physical conditioning but Stevens should say "Well I might as well play this guy I know isn't ready or better than the players in front of him just to prove to fans he isn't ready." Really? Is that what he is supposed to do? That's absurd.

That is was happens when you spend the whole summer putting an end of first round rookie in the same sentence with Russel.   

When one of the most open minded coaches doesn't play a player is means the player is not ready. End of story.

Or that should be the end of the story but the know-it-all-sports-fan knows better because he watched youtube clips and checked the scouting report

lol

I've been watching NBA basketball before Brad Stevens was even born.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: gouki88 on November 06, 2018, 01:34:34 AM
Sabonis killed Baynes. Don’t know why Brad doesn’t at least try Williams.
Because he isn't ready. Just because he had 8 minutes of decent play in garbage time doesn't mean he is ready to play or better than the players in front of him. Stevens is a great coach and has developed some great talent. He doesn't think Williams is ready and he knows his physical condition, how he looks in practice and how much Williams knows of the Celtics offensive and defensive sets.

This is just another perfect example of Celtics fans wanting to see a new player play because they think that player is better than they are because the player looked decent for 5 minutes in one game in garbage time. How many times do we need to hear Free Mickey or Free RJ Hunter or Free James Young or Free Yabu just to find out that player sucks and is close to being out of the league in a year or two.

Not saying Williams will be bad enough to be out of the league in a year or two. Honestly I see great things in him. But he isn't NBA ready yet and may not be this year. There is nothing wrong with that. We just need to have patience. If Stevens isn't playing him during rotational minutes, there is a reason for that. That reason is Williams isn't ready.

Stevens isn't Doc Rivers. He doesn't bury first year players. Smart, Brown and Tatum all got good run their rookie years. Heck, so did Ojeleye. Stevens will play rookies when they are good enough to earn rotational minutes. That Williams isn't getting those minutes should tell you all you need to know about how ready Williams is. Heck, he is on a minutes restriction in the G League. What do you think that tells you about how physically ready he is for the big league?

I’m so sick of people that keep saying this. Would Williams have made a difference tonight, who knows, but the fact that people keep saying we can’t base our assumptions on his previous garbage time minutes is so annoying. If you don’t want us to make assumptions based on his garbage time minutes then play him in a game that actually matters. It’s not our fault that Stevens hasn’t played him when it matters. I honestly don’t see what the problem is with giving him minutes in a meaningful game. The worse that happens is he messes up once and then you simply pull him and don’t play him anymore. Then fans who want to see him play will shut up because he gave him a shot and he wasn’t good enough.
Dude, the fans don't know what's best for this team, the coaching staff and front office does. It's not their job to prove to fans that unused rookies aren't good enough to play. That concept is ridiculous.

What is Stevens supposed to do? He knows a player isn't ready yet. He can see it in practice, walk through, video study and physical conditioning but Stevens should say "Well I might as well play this guy I know isn't ready or better than the players in front of him just to prove to fans he isn't ready." Really? Is that what he is supposed to do? That's absurd.

That is was happens when you spend the whole summer putting an end of first round rookie in the same sentence with Russel.   

When one of the most open minded coaches doesn't play a player is means the player is not ready. End of story.

Or that should be the end of the story but the know-it-all-sports-fan knows better because he watched youtube clips and checked the scouting report

lol

I've been watching NBA basketball before Brad Stevens was even born.
That doesn't mean anything though. So has Rick Pitino - is he a more suitable NBA coach than CBS?

CBS is definitely flawed, but some of the armchair coaching on here is crazy
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: Chris22 on November 06, 2018, 01:48:35 AM
Sabonis killed Baynes. Don’t know why Brad doesn’t at least try Williams.
Because he isn't ready. Just because he had 8 minutes of decent play in garbage time doesn't mean he is ready to play or better than the players in front of him. Stevens is a great coach and has developed some great talent. He doesn't think Williams is ready and he knows his physical condition, how he looks in practice and how much Williams knows of the Celtics offensive and defensive sets.

This is just another perfect example of Celtics fans wanting to see a new player play because they think that player is better than they are because the player looked decent for 5 minutes in one game in garbage time. How many times do we need to hear Free Mickey or Free RJ Hunter or Free James Young or Free Yabu just to find out that player sucks and is close to being out of the league in a year or two.

Not saying Williams will be bad enough to be out of the league in a year or two. Honestly I see great things in him. But he isn't NBA ready yet and may not be this year. There is nothing wrong with that. We just need to have patience. If Stevens isn't playing him during rotational minutes, there is a reason for that. That reason is Williams isn't ready.

Stevens isn't Doc Rivers. He doesn't bury first year players. Smart, Brown and Tatum all got good run their rookie years. Heck, so did Ojeleye. Stevens will play rookies when they are good enough to earn rotational minutes. That Williams isn't getting those minutes should tell you all you need to know about how ready Williams is. Heck, he is on a minutes restriction in the G League. What do you think that tells you about how physically ready he is for the big league?

I’m so sick of people that keep saying this. Would Williams have made a difference tonight, who knows, but the fact that people keep saying we can’t base our assumptions on his previous garbage time minutes is so annoying. If you don’t want us to make assumptions based on his garbage time minutes then play him in a game that actually matters. It’s not our fault that Stevens hasn’t played him when it matters. I honestly don’t see what the problem is with giving him minutes in a meaningful game. The worse that happens is he messes up once and then you simply pull him and don’t play him anymore. Then fans who want to see him play will shut up because he gave him a shot and he wasn’t good enough.
Dude, the fans don't know what's best for this team, the coaching staff and front office does. It's not their job to prove to fans that unused rookies aren't good enough to play. That concept is ridiculous.

What is Stevens supposed to do? He knows a player isn't ready yet. He can see it in practice, walk through, video study and physical conditioning but Stevens should say "Well I might as well play this guy I know isn't ready or better than the players in front of him just to prove to fans he isn't ready." Really? Is that what he is supposed to do? That's absurd.

That is was happens when you spend the whole summer putting an end of first round rookie in the same sentence with Russel.   

When one of the most open minded coaches doesn't play a player is means the player is not ready. End of story.

Or that should be the end of the story but the know-it-all-sports-fan knows better because he watched youtube clips and checked the scouting report

lol

I've been watching NBA basketball before Brad Stevens was even born.
That doesn't mean anything though. So has Rick Pitino - is he a more suitable NBA coach than CBS?

CBS is definitely flawed, but some of the armchair coaching on here is crazy

I am not criticizing Brad, but I would like to see more of Williams. That play tonight was amazing.

I think the big thing with Williams is, will his knees hold up?
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: byennie on November 06, 2018, 02:38:41 AM
Williams is not ready for major minutes now, but it would be invaluable if he was at least an every night role player by the playoffs.

There are going to be opponents where for 10-20 minutes a guy like Williams can mess up their offense (like Semi on Giannis) or exploit a matchup (like a young Al Jefferson back in the day). Teams are playing centers who would have been "tweener" power forwards 10 years ago, and it's an asset if you can sometimes go against the grain and exploit the matchup. Williams has the potential to overwhelm small ball centers on the boards and still defend them out to the 3pt line.

Given all of that and with Theis out and Yabusele not offering much, I think he deserves a look for ~10 minutes a night right now. Yeah, he's not Bill Russell, but he's also a lottery talent who could have easily ended up on a lottery team playing right away.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: rondofan1255 on November 10, 2018, 12:49:58 PM
Free RW3

Block party time!
Title: Robert Williams at Red Claws
Post by: rollie mass on November 16, 2018, 06:49:00 AM
Makes it look easy last night lobs,put back dunks ,blocks and some good passing.
Title: Re: Robert Williams at Red Claws
Post by: slamtheking on November 16, 2018, 08:16:13 AM
he could use some work to keep in shape and develop his game.  would like to hear he develops his offense where he can reliably make some moves in the post as well as make shots out to at least 12 feet.
Title: Re: Robert Williams at Red Claws
Post by: kraidstar on November 16, 2018, 08:49:56 AM
I was at the game last night, he looked amazing on defense. Kid is a freak. Up close it is easy to see the remarkable length and athleticism.

His finishing around the rim needs to improve though. A little better footwork, timing, and touch will do wonders for his scoring. He's just a tiny bit off kilter.
Title: Re: Robert Williams at Red Claws
Post by: knuckleballer on November 16, 2018, 08:51:27 AM
The Red Claws had Yabu, Williams, and Wannamaker all playing 25-28 minutes along with Lemon and Dozier and they still lost.  Ouch.

https://gleague.nba.com/games/20181115/RAPMNE/
Title: Re: Robert Williams at Red Claws
Post by: kraidstar on November 16, 2018, 09:38:35 AM
The Red Claws had Yabu, Williams, and Wannamaker all playing 25-28 minutes along with Lemon and Dozier and they still lost.  Ouch.

https://gleague.nba.com/games/20181115/RAPMNE/

Unfortunately, aside from Marcus Georges-Hunt, the rest of the roster looked pretty terrible. Some season ticketholders next to me in the crowd were griping about it.

Yab wasn't great, either, actually, he botched a bunch of shots inside, rimming out potentially easy scores. He also looked fat to me. If he doesn't condition himself better he will be done as an NBA player.

Wanamaker looked solid but didn't get enough minutes IMO.

Williams was conspicuously better than anyone else on the court. There was one play where the opposing forward was out near the 3pt line with the ball, head-faked, jumped to shoot, and Williams calmly waited for him to rise and release, and then leaped up gracefully to swat the ball out of the air well after its release. It was a thing of beauty, such a relaxed, confident block.

He has enormous potential.
Title: Re: Robert Williams at Red Claws
Post by: rollie mass on November 16, 2018, 10:48:40 AM
Robert Williams is SPECIAL and i think being brought along with a patient long term approach.
They got him his own private coach and mentor.He has three vets Horford his idol,Baynes and Theis.All hard workers, then there are the young guys Tatum and Brown playing and wanting to work to be great Then the tough guys Marcus ,Marcus and Rozier and then superstar Kyrie.
He has had his first road trip traveling with the guys getting a few minutes here and there but learning how to be a NBA player on and OFF the court
Then he goes up to Maine with Yabusele and Wanamaker gets his 25 minutes and either plays again tonight for the Claws or back home for THE RAPTORS and a packed Boston Garden.
Think of Bender,Chriss and Josh Jackson with the Suns.Or the Kings and 76'ers ruining or not grooming their bigs.
Williams mother was right "worth the wait".
There are very few Jason Tatum or Devon Booker.
So it is our time to wait also.
Title: Re: Robert Williams at Red Claws
Post by: Chris22 on November 16, 2018, 11:21:46 AM
I want to see Williams covering Leonard.
Title: Re: Robert Williams at Red Claws
Post by: feckless on November 16, 2018, 12:14:03 PM
If he is such a good defender how did their center get 32 points?
Title: Re: Robert Williams at Red Claws
Post by: headcase on November 16, 2018, 01:17:31 PM
If he is such a good defender how did their center get 32 points?

Only someone that actually watched the game could tell you that, the box score says he got 9 from 3pt range, and 5 more from the stripe...so that is 14 points there
Title: Re: Robert Williams at Red Claws
Post by: hpantazo on November 16, 2018, 01:21:46 PM
I want to see Williams covering Leonard.

Kawhi would upfake him into oblivion and foul him out
Title: Re: Robert Williams at Red Claws
Post by: Big333223 on November 16, 2018, 01:24:35 PM
Looks like he's doing what he's supposed to. 6/8 from the floor and 4/6 from the line. That's an efficient night.

I'm starting to lose some faith in Yabu, though.
Title: Re: Robert Williams at Red Claws
Post by: playdream on November 16, 2018, 01:31:28 PM
I want to see Williams covering Leonard.
Williams will make him cry
Seriously if he can really do the "wait calmly after the shot release and still block it" (did he?)
He will likely never have to gamble on pump fakes and is literally impossible to score over
Title: Re: Robert Williams at Red Claws
Post by: LatterDayCelticsfan on November 16, 2018, 01:36:10 PM
How did the Wannamaker-Williams pick and roll look?
Title: Re: Robert Williams at Red Claws
Post by: nickagneta on November 16, 2018, 01:39:25 PM
Williams just 25 minutes. He has to be on a minutes restriction. Boston still must be worried about that knee
Title: Re: Robert Williams at Red Claws
Post by: headcase on November 16, 2018, 02:03:30 PM
How did the Wannamaker-Williams pick and roll look?

From the highlight package I saw there were at least two Williams allyslams, not sure if they both can from Wanna or not though.
Title: Re: Robert Williams at Red Claws
Post by: Monkhouse on November 16, 2018, 02:11:02 PM
Looks like he's doing what he's supposed to. 6/8 from the floor and 4/6 from the line. That's an efficient night.

I'm starting to lose some faith in Yabu, though.

Yeah, hugely disappointing.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: rollie mass on November 17, 2018, 01:53:48 PM
Why was Williams in street clothes?
Title: Re: Robert Williams at Red Claws
Post by: JBcat on November 17, 2018, 02:01:54 PM
Looks like he's doing what he's supposed to. 6/8 from the floor and 4/6 from the line. That's an efficient night.

I'm starting to lose some faith in Yabu, though.

Yeah, hugely disappointing.

Maybe Yabu is the type of player that looks better playing with better players? He doesn’t seem like a one on one player so maybe that hurts him in the D league, but has shown glimpses of nice passing, outside shooting, nice blocks on D ect with the big club.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: nickagneta on November 17, 2018, 04:33:10 PM
Why was Williams in street clothes?
Most likely wasn't one of the 13 active players which would make him the only healthy scratch on the team. That speaks volumes for how Stevens sees his readiness to contribute right now.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: footey on November 17, 2018, 10:01:39 PM
Why was Williams in street clothes?
Most likely wasn't one of the 13 active players which would make him the only healthy scratch on the team. That speaks volumes for how Stevens sees his readiness to contribute right now.

Brad seems pretty clueless about how to right this team. Poor coaching. What he’s doing hasn’t worked.

Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Ogaju on November 17, 2018, 10:03:25 PM
seems like Williams is always  in Street Clothes, is it an injury issue?
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Hank Finkel on November 17, 2018, 10:22:56 PM
Well in the new millinium its important that everyone play in the game.  So Brad was right on with that tonight.   ;D :D. So if Williams was active he would have played. 
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: nickagneta on November 18, 2018, 12:11:28 AM
Why was Williams in street clothes?
Most likely wasn't one of the 13 active players which would make him the only healthy scratch on the team. That speaks volumes for how Stevens sees his readiness to contribute right now.

Brad seems pretty clueless about how to right this team. Poor coaching. What he’s doing hasn’t worked.
More than any other person that is part of this team, I don't think anyone has struggled as much as Stevens. He clearly has misread which players should be in what roles and is so stuck to his system and rotations that he doesn't see bad groupings, when he freezes out hot players, how to call the number of hot players and when to go to a different philosophy when the one you are using just isn't working for the first 30 minutes.

The C's have had a horrid schedule. Their strength of schedule has to be one of the worst in the league through 17 games. Stevens really only had two players playing to their ability in Kyrie and Morris. If blame is to be assessed for a 9-7 start to a season with such a tough schedule, Stevens deserves the most blame.

But also, dang, he can't shoot wide open shots or easy layups,vthats on the players and a bunch of them have been pretty bad at that, too.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Celtics4ever on November 18, 2018, 05:43:05 AM
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If blame is to be assessed for a 9-7 start to a season with such a tough schedule, Stevens deserves the most blame.

Our players get open shots, and they miss them, that is not on CBS!

He deserves some blame because our guys are clearly not motivated but he can't shoot for them.

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But also, dang, he can't shoot wide open shots or easy layups,vthats on the players and a bunch of them have been pretty bad at that, too.

There fixed it for you, agree.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: nickagneta on November 18, 2018, 01:53:36 PM
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If blame is to be assessed for a 9-7 start to a season with such a tough schedule, Stevens deserves the most blame.

Our players get open shots, and they miss them, that is not on CBS!

He deserves some blame because our guys are clearly not motivated but he can't shoot for them.
Yeah, literally the next sentence in my post said the same thing about open shots. Why did you not quote that?
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: rondofan1255 on November 23, 2018, 12:53:31 PM
Horford is out tonight. RW3 watch?
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Who on November 23, 2018, 01:09:53 PM
Horford is out tonight. RW3 watch?
With Horford contributing little offensively of late, I wonder if the team will be better without him. Will more rebounding offer more than the offensive upgrade of an overly passive Al Horford.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: footey on November 23, 2018, 01:43:06 PM
Horford is out tonight. RW3 watch?
With Horford contributing little offensively of late, I wonder if the team will be better without him. Will more rebounding offer more than the offensive upgrade of an overly passive Al Horford.

Not sure we lose out offensively given Al’s scoring last several games.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: hwangjini_1 on November 23, 2018, 01:45:59 PM
why is al out tonight? is it an injury?
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: jpd985 on November 23, 2018, 01:52:26 PM
why is al out tonight? is it an injury?

Knee soreness
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: nickagneta on November 23, 2018, 03:03:20 PM
Williams activated for tonight's game.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: hwangjini_1 on November 23, 2018, 03:40:12 PM
Williams activated for tonight's game.
great! the celtics' three point shooting woes are over!!!

 ;D
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Surferdad on November 23, 2018, 06:33:26 PM
Wonder if he would be effective in slowing down T. Prince.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Big333223 on November 24, 2018, 12:19:56 PM
This kid is a human pogo stick. He gets so high, so fast and it seems effortless for him. Amazing to watch.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: ImShakHeIsShaq on November 24, 2018, 02:01:43 PM
IMO he seems to play better with good players. It's probably because they know what they're doing.

If he ever locks in on what he's supposed to do, instead of being just a patrolman then I think we will see him more. He still allows people to box him out way too easily, needs to fight a little more for positioning because he could really clean the glass if he does.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: SHAQATTACK on November 24, 2018, 02:23:33 PM
why is al out tonight? is it an injury?

Knee soreness


Im having a bit of this as well.   .....I ll still make the game tho ... ;D
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: nickagneta on November 24, 2018, 04:09:18 PM
IMO he seems to play better with good players. It's probably because they know what they're doing.

If he ever locks in on what he's supposed to do, instead of being just a patrolman then I think we will see him more. He still allows people to box him out way too easily, needs to fight a little more for positioning because he could really clean the glass if he does.
Yeah, you could see he did a lot of ball watching letting his man slide away from him and he definitely looks to block from the weakside, which is going to leave his man wide open for a pass and finish at the rim.

But he looks like he will be an amazing rebounder and get a lot of second chance points. The Celtics may finally have a guy that's a great offensive rebounder.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: CelticsElite on November 24, 2018, 05:19:40 PM
As someone noticed in college tape, he has a knack for blocking a shot but keeping the shot inbounds and sometimes tipping it to a teammate.

Check out 2nd highlight here https://youtu.be/oVKsLZK8GR0

Side note - baynes gets up and celebrated every time Robert makes a good play. Love this mentorship
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: ozgod on November 24, 2018, 05:37:39 PM
Apparently all of Robert Williams's shots this season have been dunks  :o
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: IDreamCeltics on November 24, 2018, 07:06:53 PM
Worst case scenario he turns into another Chris the Birdman Anderson... Personal problems included.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Neurotic Guy on November 24, 2018, 07:54:43 PM
This kid is a human pogo stick. He gets so high, so fast and it seems effortless for him. Amazing to watch.


Seems to have Rodman-like pogo skills.  Does he have The Worms instincts?  Remember -- Rodman's rookie season he had 6 ppg, 4 rpg in 15 mpg.   Oh, and Rodman was 25.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Surferdad on November 24, 2018, 08:04:22 PM
Apparently all of Robert Williams's shots this season have been dunks  :o
Yup, per basketball reference — 4 dunks, 75% assisted.   ;)
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Big333223 on November 25, 2018, 08:43:55 PM
Apparently all of Robert Williams's shots this season have been dunks  :o
Yup, per basketball reference — 4 dunks, 75% assisted.   ;)

Talk about knowing your limitations.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: headcase on November 30, 2018, 10:08:27 AM
All this talk about RW's hops is incomplete without a picture:

(https://i.imgur.com/54SFFbc.jpg)

https://twitter.com/celtics/status/1068296832621731840

Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: headcase on November 30, 2018, 10:10:25 AM
A conversation with RW on Celtics Talk, starts at 12:33

https://art19.com/shows/celtics-talk/episodes/9a30fb41-e405-452a-b0fd-df1216a576d7
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: gift on November 30, 2018, 10:11:42 AM
All this talk about RW's hops is incomplete without a picture:

(https://i.imgur.com/54SFFbc.jpg)

https://twitter.com/celtics/status/1068296832621731840

Crazy how casual he looks frozen in the air right there.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: CelticsElite on November 30, 2018, 10:38:12 AM
Very mesmerizing player in terms of dunks

Wonder if he would destroy the Dunk contest

Williamson vs Williams will be every dunk contest . Zion is more a power dunker but still
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: footey on November 30, 2018, 12:30:28 PM
A conversation with RW on Celtics Talk, starts at 12:33

https://art19.com/shows/celtics-talk/episodes/9a30fb41-e405-452a-b0fd-df1216a576d7

Interview was dreadful. Basically poked fun at him for his initial tardiness. Such an old story. Wanted to find out about how he sees himself fitting in, observations about the team and other teams. Expected more from Forsberg. Kyle too.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: Surferdad on December 01, 2018, 07:53:09 AM
Williams is not ready for major minutes now, but it would be invaluable if he was at least an every night role player by the playoffs.

There are going to be opponents where for 10-20 minutes a guy like Williams can mess up their offense (like Semi on Giannis) or exploit a matchup (like a young Al Jefferson back in the day). Teams are playing centers who would have been "tweener" power forwards 10 years ago, and it's an asset if you can sometimes go against the grain and exploit the matchup. Williams has the potential to overwhelm small ball centers on the boards and still defend them out to the 3pt line.

Given all of that and with Theis out and Yabusele not offering much, I think he deserves a look for ~10 minutes a night right now. Yeah, he's not Bill Russell, but he's also a lottery talent who could have easily ended up on a lottery team playing right away.
I'm giving this thread a well-deserved bump.  I still believe he is not ready for rotation minutes, but his garbage minutes last night were pretty impressive once again.  He has a positive influence on both ends of the court.

The above bolded text would be a great change-of-pace strategy for Brad to use.  Height still matters in the NBA, but he's not a statue out there, always moving and fighting for position.

Here's what Marcus Morris had to say about the kid:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MRbY2EaiH0
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: tazzmaniac on December 01, 2018, 09:36:31 AM
Williams is not ready for major minutes now, but it would be invaluable if he was at least an every night role player by the playoffs.

There are going to be opponents where for 10-20 minutes a guy like Williams can mess up their offense (like Semi on Giannis) or exploit a matchup (like a young Al Jefferson back in the day). Teams are playing centers who would have been "tweener" power forwards 10 years ago, and it's an asset if you can sometimes go against the grain and exploit the matchup. Williams has the potential to overwhelm small ball centers on the boards and still defend them out to the 3pt line.

Given all of that and with Theis out and Yabusele not offering much, I think he deserves a look for ~10 minutes a night right now. Yeah, he's not Bill Russell, but he's also a lottery talent who could have easily ended up on a lottery team playing right away.
I'm giving this thread a well-deserved bump.  I still believe he is not ready for rotation minutes, but his garbage minutes last night were pretty impressive once again.  He has a positive influence on both ends of the court.

The above bolded text would be a great change-of-pace strategy for Brad to use.  Height still matters in the NBA, but he's not a statue out there, always moving and fighting for position.

Here's what Marcus Morris had to say about the kid:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MRbY2EaiH0
What more does he have to do to at least get an opportunity for rotation minutes?  It would be awfully nice to have someone with his skillset able to contribute in the playoffs.  Maybe he shows he's not ready if he gets some rotation minutes but he certainly won't be ready if all he gets is garbage minutes. 
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: mqtcelticsfan on December 01, 2018, 09:48:39 AM
We should have given him some more minutes last night, in my opinion.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: playdream on December 01, 2018, 10:28:09 AM
He actually looks like a little off last night, pick up some fouls and a step slow, yet he still produce
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: trickybilly on December 01, 2018, 10:30:16 AM
Timing is not great. Baynes and Theis have both been really great lately.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: Rosco917 on December 01, 2018, 11:14:45 AM
I'm sure Steven's has his reasons for not allowing the kid to see such little playing time and all I can go by is the eye test.

But a few things are apparent. Besides being a "human basket eraser" near the rim, he moves so well, with little effort. He's able to challenge out to the 3 point line and then get back to his defensive assignment with ease. Many rim protectors can't do that because they're slow.

He functions well with the offense, he's not a turn over waiting to happen.

He gives the Celtics a wrinkle they don't have, and he's a hell of a lot of fun to watch.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: liam on December 01, 2018, 03:18:19 PM
Williams set the best screen I ever saw him set last night. It was really solid and he also had a great pass to Wannamaker under the basket but Wannamaker didn't expect it and couldn't do anything with it. Williams has some skills. He needs to get at least a few minutes a game. I'm hoping for more blow outs so he can get more court time.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: nickagneta on December 01, 2018, 03:29:10 PM
Williams set the best screen I ever saw him set last night. It was really solid and he also had a great pass to Wannamaker under the basket but Wannamaker didn't expect it and couldn't do anything with it. Williams has some skills. He needs to get at least a few minutes a game. I'm hoping for more blow outs so he can get more court time.
Better hope for other players being injured if you want to see William's as he is normally not active to play when everyone is healthy.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: RodyTur10 on December 01, 2018, 04:36:33 PM
Williams set the best screen I ever saw him set last night. It was really solid and he also had a great pass to Wannamaker under the basket but Wannamaker didn't expect it and couldn't do anything with it. Williams has some skills. He needs to get at least a few minutes a game. I'm hoping for more blow outs so he can get more court time.
Better hope for other players being injured if you want to see William's as he is normally not active to play when everyone is healthy.

If Stevens just stops playing Horford as his only big at center, but let him play at PF where he had so much success last year there will be some minutes for Williams (and more for Theis).
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Eddie20 on December 01, 2018, 05:05:22 PM
Williams set the best screen I ever saw him set last night. It was really solid and he also had a great pass to Wannamaker under the basket but Wannamaker didn't expect it and couldn't do anything with it. Williams has some skills. He needs to get at least a few minutes a game. I'm hoping for more blow outs so he can get more court time.
Better hope for other players being injured if you want to see William's as he is normally not active to play when everyone is healthy.

If Stevens just stops playing Horford as his only big at center, but let him play at PF where he had so much success last year there will be some minutes for Williams (and more for Theis).

More minutes for Theis and Williams, huh? At who’s expense? Because the thing going big means is that Morris will play a lot more at the swing, which means the 1, 2, and 3 minutes will be juggled by 7 guys (Morris, Hayward, Tatum, Irving, Brown, Smart, Rozier). So again, have you thought this through? If so, who’s out of rotation and/or getting their minutes slashed considerably because a 11 man roster as proposed isn’t going to work?
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: nickagneta on December 01, 2018, 05:07:05 PM
Williams set the best screen I ever saw him set last night. It was really solid and he also had a great pass to Wannamaker under the basket but Wannamaker didn't expect it and couldn't do anything with it. Williams has some skills. He needs to get at least a few minutes a game. I'm hoping for more blow outs so he can get more court time.
Better hope for other players being injured if you want to see William's as he is normally not active to play when everyone is healthy.

If Stevens just stops playing Horford as his only big at center, but let him play at PF where he had so much success last year there will be some minutes for Williams (and more for Theis).
The problem I laid out has zero to do with available minutes it has to do with the fact Steven's sees William's as the 14th man and when everyone is healthy, then William's is not made active and so isn't even available to play if minutes opened  up.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: RodyTur10 on December 01, 2018, 06:11:11 PM
Williams set the best screen I ever saw him set last night. It was really solid and he also had a great pass to Wannamaker under the basket but Wannamaker didn't expect it and couldn't do anything with it. Williams has some skills. He needs to get at least a few minutes a game. I'm hoping for more blow outs so he can get more court time.
Better hope for other players being injured if you want to see William's as he is normally not active to play when everyone is healthy.

If Stevens just stops playing Horford as his only big at center, but let him play at PF where he had so much success last year there will be some minutes for Williams (and more for Theis).

More minutes for Theis and Williams, huh? At who’s expense? Because the thing going big means is that Morris will play a lot more at the swing, which means the 1, 2, and 3 minutes will be juggled by 7 guys (Morris, Hayward, Tatum, Irving, Brown, Smart, Rozier). So again, have you thought this through? If so, who’s out of rotation and/or getting their minutes slashed considerably because a 11 man roster as proposed isn’t going to work?

I would extensively rest players. Like Horford had a day off yesterday. I mean there are a ridiculous amount of games, why should a player bother to miss a few? 

It's very important that Williams (and Ojeleye, Yabusele) gets minutes to develop. Otherwise next summer you basically have the same situation that he isn't ready. Come playoff time I'd just play the best 8 to 9 players and make some hard decisions. But there'll probably be injuries anyway (like every playoffs), so you don't have to and everybody will be prepared because they're used to missing a key player on the rotation.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: RodyTur10 on December 01, 2018, 06:29:24 PM
Williams set the best screen I ever saw him set last night. It was really solid and he also had a great pass to Wannamaker under the basket but Wannamaker didn't expect it and couldn't do anything with it. Williams has some skills. He needs to get at least a few minutes a game. I'm hoping for more blow outs so he can get more court time.
Better hope for other players being injured if you want to see William's as he is normally not active to play when everyone is healthy.

If Stevens just stops playing Horford as his only big at center, but let him play at PF where he had so much success last year there will be some minutes for Williams (and more for Theis).
The problem I laid out has zero to do with available minutes it has to do with the fact Steven's sees Williams as the 14th man and when everyone is healthy, then William's is not made active and so isn't even available to play if minutes opened up.

Well he should find a way to give him playing time (for example resting players), because he won't develop fast if he doesn't play minutes in the NBA. Almost every 1st round pick is getting extensive minutes and by that they're growing into legit NBA players. If we don't give Williams minutes then next summer he basically will be the same player as now and he won't be ready to  step into the line-up.

It would be a waste of talent. Look at Mitchell Robinson (#36 pick), a player with the same profile as Williams and similarly talented (I'd have been ok with Robinson as the Celtics' pick as well). Both players show promising stats, but Robinson has already played 364 minutes and Willams only 33. Who's going to be the best player out of them by the end of the year?

And it's easy with Porzingis injured to play Robinson a lot of minutes, but Stevens has to see the whole picture. And Williams could be a vital part of the future of the Celtics. A coach needs to see more than the next game.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Eddie20 on December 01, 2018, 06:30:32 PM
Williams set the best screen I ever saw him set last night. It was really solid and he also had a great pass to Wannamaker under the basket but Wannamaker didn't expect it and couldn't do anything with it. Williams has some skills. He needs to get at least a few minutes a game. I'm hoping for more blow outs so he can get more court time.
Better hope for other players being injured if you want to see William's as he is normally not active to play when everyone is healthy.

If Stevens just stops playing Horford as his only big at center, but let him play at PF where he had so much success last year there will be some minutes for Williams (and more for Theis).

More minutes for Theis and Williams, huh? At who’s expense? Because the thing going big means is that Morris will play a lot more at the swing, which means the 1, 2, and 3 minutes will be juggled by 7 guys (Morris, Hayward, Tatum, Irving, Brown, Smart, Rozier). So again, have you thought this through? If so, who’s out of rotation and/or getting their minutes slashed considerably because a 11 man roster as proposed isn’t going to work?

I would extensively rest players. Like Horford had a day off yesterday. I mean there are a ridiculous amount of games, why should a player bother to miss a few? 

It's very important that Williams (and Ojeleye, Yabusele) gets minutes to develop. Otherwise next summer you basically have the same situation that he isn't ready. Come playoff time I'd just play the best 8 to 9 players and make some hard decisions. But there'll probably be injuries anyway (like every playoffs), so you don't have to and everybody will be prepared because they're used to missing a key player on the rotation.

Okay, say you rest Horford here and there. What other player will be happy resting when he's healthy just to give Williams, Yabu, and Semi minutes? It sounds good on paper, but not really practical when players are competitors and want to be out there. Plus, you have guys on expiring deals (Morris and Rozier) that want to show their worth and some players could have salary incentive markers for games played, minutes played, etc.

Players are already sacrificing a lot in terms of MPG. Having them now miss occasional games is just asking for trouble.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: nickagneta on December 01, 2018, 06:42:51 PM
Williams set the best screen I ever saw him set last night. It was really solid and he also had a great pass to Wannamaker under the basket but Wannamaker didn't expect it and couldn't do anything with it. Williams has some skills. He needs to get at least a few minutes a game. I'm hoping for more blow outs so he can get more court time.
Better hope for other players being injured if you want to see William's as he is normally not active to play when everyone is healthy.

If Stevens just stops playing Horford as his only big at center, but let him play at PF where he had so much success last year there will be some minutes for Williams (and more for Theis).
The problem I laid out has zero to do with available minutes it has to do with the fact Steven's sees Williams as the 14th man and when everyone is healthy, then William's is not made active and so isn't even available to play if minutes opened up.

Well he should find a way to give him playing time (for example resting players), because he won't develop fast if he doesn't play minutes in the NBA. Almost every 1st round pick is getting extensive minutes and by that they're growing into legit NBA players. If we don't give Williams minutes then next summer he basically will be the same player as now and he won't be ready to  step into the line-up.

It would be a waste of talent. Look at Mitchell Robinson (#36 pick), a player with the same profile as Williams and similarly talented (I'd have been ok with Robinson as the Celtics' pick as well). Both players show promising stats, but Robinson has already played 364 minutes and Willams only 33. Who's going to be the best player out of them by the end of the year?

And it's easy with Porzingis injured to play Robinson a lot of minutes, but Stevens has to see the whole picture. And Williams could be a vital part of the future of the Celtics. A coach needs to see more than the next game.
I can't believe I am once again going to have to explain the fact that players can actually develop when fans don't see them, like in practice, the weight room, the G League, walk throughs and by watching video. Giving a kid that isn't ready for NBA rotational minutes when they are not ready can create bad habits in the player, discourage the player if they struggle and can cause a player to lose his confidence and maybe get the yips(see Markelle Fultz).

Steven's has a track record of playing young players big minutes their rookie year if they are ready for the NBA, especially defensively. Smart, Brown, Tatum and Ojeleye are proof of that. He also plays young guys on rookie contracts big minutes when they are ready for NBA minutes, like Rozier. And he has a proven track record being right on players not good enough for the NBA like: Jordan Mickey, James Young, R J Hunter, etc., etc.

When Williams is ready and has earned NBA rotational minutes, he will play. Until then, he doesn't. He will just have to develop slowly because he isn't good enough and shouldn't be getting minutes until he is.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: Chris22 on December 01, 2018, 07:49:34 PM
Williams is the most athletic big we have had since KG.

Not only is he a great defender, but he is a good passer as well.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: coco on December 01, 2018, 07:59:07 PM
He is young.  Will groom him and Learn to defend Embid.
I am guessing that’s what the plan is.  Or it should be.


Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: GreenWarrior on December 02, 2018, 06:31:34 PM
it's quite obvious Williams is not ready. just look at where, when and how they use him.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: footey on December 02, 2018, 06:49:40 PM
As long as we keep winning I will be patient with playing him. I do think it is in our interest to get him more reps but that is hard to do without cutting into time of Theis who needs more burn to get back to game shape.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: tazzmaniac on December 02, 2018, 07:09:30 PM
He is young.  Will groom him and Learn to defend Embid.
I am guessing that’s what the plan is.  Or it should be.
That's a tough ask.  RW is giving up 40lbs to Embiid. 
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: tenn_smoothie on December 02, 2018, 09:02:53 PM
Williams needs to learn not to block the ball out of bounds.

Bill Russell said that a blocked shot out of bounds was half a good play.

ABSOLUTELY - thank you.

I will never understand why coaches do not teach and compel their post defenders to block shots and keep the ball in play. Obviously, most of these players think it is more impressive to "punk" their opponent by putting shots into the first row. Bill Russell played very intelligent basketball - these guys today play dumb basketball.

In the blowout vs Atlanta, why doesn't Robert Williams get at least 15-20 minutes ? Everytime he goes in, he does positive things. Lack of minutes makes no sense to me.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: trickybilly on December 03, 2018, 12:41:37 AM
I felt he would have been an interesting matchup for Taj, midway through the second.

No doubt Stevens is trying to get Theis game-ready as he is with GH.

Theis had another nice sneaky-good cameo last night.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: nickagneta on December 03, 2018, 12:56:17 AM
I felt he would have been an interesting matchup for Taj, midway through the second.

No doubt Stevens is trying to get Theis game-ready as he is with GH.

Theis had another nice sneaky-good cameo last night.
Theis is a very smart player and a dang good defender. I would love it if Danny could bring back Morris and Theis and replace Rozier and maybe Yabusele with a couple of very lucky breaks, a top 3 pick and a late lottery pick.

I know....I'm dreaming.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: ederson on December 03, 2018, 02:28:55 AM


I will never understand why coaches do not teach and compel their post defenders to block shots and keep the ball in play.

The Coaches dont teach it or the players don't get it?
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: GreenEnvy on December 03, 2018, 03:23:22 AM
I can live with the swats out of bounds.

In this NBA, the likelihood of a teammate getting it is about as likely as the opposing team getting a wide-open three.

How many times have we seen a great block on a play at the rim only to lead to an open trey? Hindsight is 20/20 but the block cost a point.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: Redz on December 03, 2018, 07:18:51 AM
Solid .1 second stint the other night.

Talk about an average killer
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: Chris22 on December 03, 2018, 09:40:32 AM
I can live with the swats out of bounds.

In this NBA, the likelihood of a teammate getting it is about as likely as the opposing team getting a wide-open three.

How many times have we seen a great block on a play at the rim only to lead to an open trey? Hindsight is 20/20 but the block cost a point.


I disagree. Bill Russell said a blocked shot was half a good play.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Emmette Bryant on December 04, 2018, 02:22:52 PM
https://streamable.com/ntpil
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Monkhouse on December 04, 2018, 02:44:00 PM
Williams set the best screen I ever saw him set last night. It was really solid and he also had a great pass to Wannamaker under the basket but Wannamaker didn't expect it and couldn't do anything with it. Williams has some skills. He needs to get at least a few minutes a game. I'm hoping for more blow outs so he can get more court time.
Better hope for other players being injured if you want to see William's as he is normally not active to play when everyone is healthy.

If Stevens just stops playing Horford as his only big at center, but let him play at PF where he had so much success last year there will be some minutes for Williams (and more for Theis).
The problem I laid out has zero to do with available minutes it has to do with the fact Steven's sees Williams as the 14th man and when everyone is healthy, then William's is not made active and so isn't even available to play if minutes opened up.

Well he should find a way to give him playing time (for example resting players), because he won't develop fast if he doesn't play minutes in the NBA. Almost every 1st round pick is getting extensive minutes and by that they're growing into legit NBA players. If we don't give Williams minutes then next summer he basically will be the same player as now and he won't be ready to  step into the line-up.

It would be a waste of talent. Look at Mitchell Robinson (#36 pick), a player with the same profile as Williams and similarly talented (I'd have been ok with Robinson as the Celtics' pick as well). Both players show promising stats, but Robinson has already played 364 minutes and Willams only 33. Who's going to be the best player out of them by the end of the year?

And it's easy with Porzingis injured to play Robinson a lot of minutes, but Stevens has to see the whole picture. And Williams could be a vital part of the future of the Celtics. A coach needs to see more than the next game.

I see your point, and they are all valid, but one huge difference between the Knicks and the Celtics is the compounding fact is that the Knicks are 8-17, and probably headed to the top 5 lottery pick, whereas Celtics are vying for contention aspirations.

Robinson definitely seems like a steal, but I can see why some people don't like his attitude, and his dirty defensive plays. (He's pulled off the Zaza Pachulia's leg sweep numerous times.)
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: csfansince60s on December 04, 2018, 10:12:34 PM
I  know that it’s practice, but his shooting form looks pretty good here.

Looks like he’s working a lot on his shot… And it shows!

https://streamable.com/ntpil
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: MattyIce on December 04, 2018, 10:37:51 PM
I  know that it’s practice, but his shooting form looks pretty good here.

Looks like he’s working a lot on his shot… And it shows!

https://streamable.com/ntpil

I disagree, he has missed 100% of his non-dunks ;)
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: Celtics4ever on December 06, 2018, 06:39:42 PM
Quote
Quote
I  know that it’s practice, but his shooting form looks pretty good here.

Looks like he’s working a lot on his shot… And it shows!

Where he is starting the shot above his forehead it could be easy to block.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: GreenEnvy on December 06, 2018, 06:51:56 PM
Quote
Quote
I  know that it’s practice, but his shooting form looks pretty good here.

Looks like he’s working a lot on his shot… And it shows!

Where he is starting the shot above his forehead it could be easy to block.

Where would you like him to start it? Back of his neck?

Or maybe shotput it from his chin?
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: csfansince60s on December 06, 2018, 07:33:28 PM
I  know that it’s practice, but his shooting form looks pretty good here.

Looks like he’s working a lot on his shot… And it shows!

https://streamable.com/ntpil

I disagree, he has missed 100% of his non-dunks ;)

His % of non dunks has to go up, right?

Can’t wait for him to start draining those Js. (Hopefully won’t be waiting too long).
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: Celtics4ever on December 06, 2018, 07:40:25 PM
I would try to get him to shoot it like McHale with a higher release point, because the kid has long arms like Kevin.   
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: ozgod on December 06, 2018, 11:01:50 PM
Hopefully we see more Robert Williams with Baynes likely to be out for the next few games at least.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: slamtheking on December 06, 2018, 11:04:07 PM
Hopefully we see more Robert Williams with Baynes likely to be out for the next few games at least.
once it was announced Baynes sprained his ankle, I was wondering if some of his minutes would go Williams or if they'll get divvied up between Horford, Theis and possibly Semi/Yabu instead.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: hwangjini_1 on December 06, 2018, 11:29:53 PM
As an update, the G league web page says he has played 2 games. His stats are:

25 min per game
13.5 points per game
0 3 pointer attempts
62.5 ft%
9 rebounds per game
2.5 assists per game
2.5 blocks per game

I think he comes up while Baynes heals.




Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: nickagneta on December 07, 2018, 01:16:52 AM
Hopefully we see more Robert Williams with Baynes likely to be out for the next few games at least.
once it was announced Baynes sprained his ankle, I was wondering if some of his minutes would go Williams or if they'll get divvied up between Horford, Theis and possibly Semi/Yabu. Looks like just a bit between everyone. Not good
My guess is William's will be activated to play while Baynes is inactive
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: Surferdad on December 07, 2018, 06:31:21 AM
Hopefully we see more Robert Williams with Baynes likely to be out for the next few games at least.
once it was announced Baynes sprained his ankle, I was wondering if some of his minutes would go Williams or if they'll get divvied up between Horford, Theis and possibly Semi/Yabu. Looks like just a bit between everyone. Not good
My guess is William's will be activated to play while Baynes is inactive
Yes, obviously, but will he play?  I think it depends more on how Semi and Yabu look than Williams.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: Celtics4ever on December 07, 2018, 08:14:41 AM
Quote
  I think it depends more on how Semi and Yabu look than Williams.

They play Yabu even when he looks bad, sometimes, I don't think he should ever be on the court, because he does so little out there most of the time.   Semi looks better on offense this year.  Williams has far more potential than both.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: rollie mass on December 07, 2018, 09:05:14 AM
Did Williams play for Red Claws  his box score was empty-Why send him up not to play?,Was he sick or injured?
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: apc on December 07, 2018, 10:23:27 AM
Did Williams play for Red Claws  his box score was empty-Why send him up not to play?,Was he sick or injured?
He didn't play for personal reasons.
He posted a baby pic on Instagram, so i think he is a daddy now.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: ozgod on December 07, 2018, 10:25:53 PM
Did Williams play for Red Claws  his box score was empty-Why send him up not to play?,Was he sick or injured?
He didn't play for personal reasons.
He posted a baby pic on Instagram, so i think he is a daddy now.

Wonder if he will play against Chicago, anyone know if he got recalled?
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: rollie mass on December 08, 2018, 04:06:12 AM
Cute baby-let him stay!!!!
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: rondofan1255 on December 08, 2018, 12:25:20 PM
Time for minutes tonight with Baynes ruled out?
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: ImShakHeIsShaq on December 08, 2018, 01:36:21 PM
I want Williams to play.


I'll ask again, name one player CBS didn't play that goes on to play any meaningful minutes for any other team?

It's way too early to say CBS won't play him eventually, this season the player crunch is stopping him more than anything IMO. I just know he'll play when he's ready unless forced in by injuries. I don't know what CBS sees about these guys but he's been right every time, if they can play, they get minutes eventually and if they can't we as fans continue to beg for them until we see ourselves, they never get minutes when they are off the team and most never play another minute beyond preseason.

I'm going to give CBS the room before I make a big fuss this time, he's earned it and there are many Jordan Mickey threads to prove it, amongst others. Again, there is no indication that CBS doesn't think he will ever be ready, he just doesn't think he's ready yet. Certainly not more ready or deserving than Theis or Baynes. You could argue Yabu but that's crazy because he doesn't get minutes either just more DNP-CD.

Personally, I think Rob has the physical traits to get him minutes in situations that Mickey didn't get in the time he was here. There were many times he could have played, if he was any good, during his tenure but he just didn't live up to anything more than Super Garbageman! I just have to be patient in regards to Rob.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: KGs Knee on December 08, 2018, 01:43:23 PM
Williams set the best screen I ever saw him set last night. It was really solid and he also had a great pass to Wannamaker under the basket but Wannamaker didn't expect it and couldn't do anything with it. Williams has some skills. He needs to get at least a few minutes a game. I'm hoping for more blow outs so he can get more court time.
Better hope for other players being injured if you want to see William's as he is normally not active to play when everyone is healthy.

If Stevens just stops playing Horford as his only big at center, but let him play at PF where he had so much success last year there will be some minutes for Williams (and more for Theis).
The problem I laid out has zero to do with available minutes it has to do with the fact Steven's sees Williams as the 14th man and when everyone is healthy, then William's is not made active and so isn't even available to play if minutes opened up.

Well he should find a way to give him playing time (for example resting players), because he won't develop fast if he doesn't play minutes in the NBA. Almost every 1st round pick is getting extensive minutes and by that they're growing into legit NBA players. If we don't give Williams minutes then next summer he basically will be the same player as now and he won't be ready to  step into the line-up.

It would be a waste of talent. Look at Mitchell Robinson (#36 pick), a player with the same profile as Williams and similarly talented (I'd have been ok with Robinson as the Celtics' pick as well). Both players show promising stats, but Robinson has already played 364 minutes and Willams only 33. Who's going to be the best player out of them by the end of the year?

And it's easy with Porzingis injured to play Robinson a lot of minutes, but Stevens has to see the whole picture. And Williams could be a vital part of the future of the Celtics. A coach needs to see more than the next game.
I can't believe I am once again going to have to explain the fact that players can actually develop when fans don't see them, like in practice, the weight room, the G League, walk throughs and by watching video. Giving a kid that isn't ready for NBA rotational minutes when they are not ready can create bad habits in the player, discourage the player if they struggle and can cause a player to lose his confidence and maybe get the yips(see Markelle Fultz).

Steven's has a track record of playing young players big minutes their rookie year if they are ready for the NBA, especially defensively. Smart, Brown, Tatum and Ojeleye are proof of that. He also plays young guys on rookie contracts big minutes when they are ready for NBA minutes, like Rozier. And he has a proven track record being right on players not good enough for the NBA like: Jordan Mickey, James Young, R J Hunter, etc., etc.

When Williams is ready and has earned NBA rotational minutes, he will play. Until then, he doesn't. He will just have to develop slowly because he isn't good enough and shouldn't be getting minutes until he is.

Well stated.

I don't get why people cannot understand this concept.  Do they really think all it takes to develop a player is to simply play them in games, regardless of whether or not they are ready?

When RWIII has proven he is ready he'll play.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Sophomore on December 08, 2018, 02:30:52 PM
Williams set the best screen I ever saw him set last night. It was really solid and he also had a great pass to Wannamaker under the basket but Wannamaker didn't expect it and couldn't do anything with it. Williams has some skills. He needs to get at least a few minutes a game. I'm hoping for more blow outs so he can get more court time.
Better hope for other players being injured if you want to see William's as he is normally not active to play when everyone is healthy.

If Stevens just stops playing Horford as his only big at center, but let him play at PF where he had so much success last year there will be some minutes for Williams (and more for Theis).
The problem I laid out has zero to do with available minutes it has to do with the fact Steven's sees Williams as the 14th man and when everyone is healthy, then William's is not made active and so isn't even available to play if minutes opened up.

Well he should find a way to give him playing time (for example resting players), because he won't develop fast if he doesn't play minutes in the NBA. Almost every 1st round pick is getting extensive minutes and by that they're growing into legit NBA players. If we don't give Williams minutes then next summer he basically will be the same player as now and he won't be ready to  step into the line-up.

It would be a waste of talent. Look at Mitchell Robinson (#36 pick), a player with the same profile as Williams and similarly talented (I'd have been ok with Robinson as the Celtics' pick as well). Both players show promising stats, but Robinson has already played 364 minutes and Willams only 33. Who's going to be the best player out of them by the end of the year?

And it's easy with Porzingis injured to play Robinson a lot of minutes, but Stevens has to see the whole picture. And Williams could be a vital part of the future of the Celtics. A coach needs to see more than the next game.
I can't believe I am once again going to have to explain the fact that players can actually develop when fans don't see them, like in practice, the weight room, the G League, walk throughs and by watching video. Giving a kid that isn't ready for NBA rotational minutes when they are not ready can create bad habits in the player, discourage the player if they struggle and can cause a player to lose his confidence and maybe get the yips(see Markelle Fultz).

Steven's has a track record of playing young players big minutes their rookie year if they are ready for the NBA, especially defensively. Smart, Brown, Tatum and Ojeleye are proof of that. He also plays young guys on rookie contracts big minutes when they are ready for NBA minutes, like Rozier. And he has a proven track record being right on players not good enough for the NBA like: Jordan Mickey, James Young, R J Hunter, etc., etc.

When Williams is ready and has earned NBA rotational minutes, he will play. Until then, he doesn't. He will just have to develop slowly because he isn't good enough and shouldn't be getting minutes until he is.

Well stated.

I don't get why people cannot understand this concept.  Do they really think all it takes to develop a player is to simply play them in games, regardless of whether or not they are ready?

When RWIII has proven he is ready he'll play.

Fair points. I’m trusting the coaches for the reasons you give, and agree that PT isn’t the only or sometimes the best way to develop. Just tantalized by the physical talent and motor the kid shows when he plays, so impatient. Wanting him to play to catch a glimpse when they’re short-handed, or even better, when they think he’s ready for a permanent role in the rotation.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: ozgod on December 09, 2018, 01:40:01 AM
With Yabu out for a while I'm guessing we will finally see more Robert Williams.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: nickagneta on December 09, 2018, 02:09:09 AM
With Yabu out for a while I'm guessing we will finally see more Robert Williams.
Or Horford and Baynes will get healthy quick and the bigs rotation will be Horford, Morris, Baynes, Theis Ojeleye and Williams will never see the floor
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: rondofan1255 on December 09, 2018, 02:11:34 AM
More blowouts would be nice for his PT
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: Squigs on December 09, 2018, 07:50:10 AM
Would have been the perfect game last night for Williams to get an extended run, too.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: Surferdad on December 09, 2018, 09:37:29 AM
With Yabu out for a while I'm guessing we will finally see more Robert Williams.
Yabu and Baynes, as it stands.  Horford is still hobbled but likely to return soon.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: ozgod on December 09, 2018, 01:36:39 PM
With Yabu out for a while I'm guessing we will finally see more Robert Williams.
Yabu and Baynes, as it stands.  Horford is still hobbled but likely to return soon.

We do need Horford for Anthony Davis on Monday. Going to be rough if all we have is Daniel, great as he's been playing. May need to put Semi on him as well.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: Chris22 on December 09, 2018, 01:41:20 PM
With Yabu out for a while I'm guessing we will finally see more Robert Williams.
Or Horford and Baynes will get healthy quick and the bigs rotation will be Horford, Morris, Baynes, Theis Ojeleye and Williams will never see the floor

So certain are you.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: Chris22 on December 10, 2018, 06:22:44 PM
With Yabu out for a while I'm guessing we will finally see more Robert Williams.
Or Horford and Baynes will get healthy quick and the bigs rotation will be Horford, Morris, Baynes, Theis Ojeleye and Williams will never see the floor

Williams is expected to play tonight.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: jambr380 on December 10, 2018, 06:33:05 PM
With Yabu out for a while I'm guessing we will finally see more Robert Williams.
Or Horford and Baynes will get healthy quick and the bigs rotation will be Horford, Morris, Baynes, Theis Ojeleye and Williams will never see the floor

Williams is expected required to play tonight.

Bench of Brown, Ojeleye, Wanamaker, Williams, and Dozier. Things should get interesting - let's hope for great things out of Williams while matched up with AD
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: Chris22 on December 10, 2018, 06:43:41 PM
With Yabu out for a while I'm guessing we will finally see more Robert Williams.
Or Horford and Baynes will get healthy quick and the bigs rotation will be Horford, Morris, Baynes, Theis Ojeleye and Williams will never see the floor

Williams is expected required to play tonight.

Bench of Rozier, Ojeleye, Wanamaker, Williams, and Dozier. Things should get interesting - let's hope for great things out of Williams while matched up with AD.

Williams is expected to play tonight.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: jambr380 on December 10, 2018, 08:51:47 PM
With Yabu out for a while I'm guessing we will finally see more Robert Williams.
Or Horford and Baynes will get healthy quick and the bigs rotation will be Horford, Morris, Baynes, Theis Ojeleye and Williams will never see the floor

Williams is expected required to play tonight.

Bench of Brown, Ojeleye, Wanamaker, Williams, and Dozier. Things should get interesting - let's hope for great things out of Williams while matched up with AD.

Williams is expected to play tonight.

Not one for a little play on words, I see. Weird response  ???

His activity so far has been great this evening!
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: KGs Knee on December 10, 2018, 09:29:16 PM
wrong thread
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: Phantom255x on December 10, 2018, 09:30:31 PM
AMEN TO THIS!
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: MJohnnyboy on December 10, 2018, 09:49:38 PM
Common spectator: "So, Robert Williams was another one of those Nets picks that the Celtics got in the high lottery right?"

Celtics fan: "No, they got him in the late first-round."

Common spectator:  :o :o :o
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: cman88 on December 10, 2018, 10:23:28 PM
2 really nice blocks on Anthony davis. shows how athletic the kid is. Can be a real steal of a player
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: Chris22 on December 10, 2018, 10:54:31 PM
I loved the block on Davis' shot.

Williams is going to be an real asset for this team.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: Chris22 on December 10, 2018, 10:55:41 PM
Yup, loving this kid, called it on draft night, and how much crow is being eaten right now by all the people who called RW3 a bum, or even a drug addict.

We need to resurrect those posts for sure.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: nickagneta on December 10, 2018, 11:36:31 PM
So it's kinda easy to see why Stevens isn't giving rotation minutes over Baynes, Theis and Horford. He is extremely limited offensively. He ball watches a bunch and tried to block everything underneath, often leaving his man for a weak side block only to have it dished to his man for the score. He got lost some.

But, and this is a huge but, his man on man defense is excellent, he has good court vision, he will be one of the best rim protectors in the league in a couple years, his effort is off the charts and his potential for growth is exceptional.

He won't be getting tons of time this year when everyone is healthy, but in a year or two, watch out. He is going to be a great player. Just have to have patience and trust in Brad to fully develop him.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: ozgod on December 10, 2018, 11:39:11 PM
So it's kinda easy to see why Stevens isn't giving rotation minutes over Baynes, Theis and Horford. He is extremely limited offensively. He ball watches a bunch and tried to block everything underneath, often leaving his man for a weak side block only to have it dished to his man for the score. He got lost some.

But, and this is a huge but, his man on man defense is excellent, he has good court vision, he will be one of the best rim protectors in the league in a couple years, his effort is off the charts and his potential for growth is exceptional.

He won't be getting tons of time this year when everyone is healthy, but in a year or two, watch out. He is going to be a great player. Just have to have patience and trust in Brad to fully develop him.

My thoughts exactly, TP. He needs to develop a post game which I'm sure he will. Or maybe he's just afraid to show it to us at this point given how many other options are on the floor at any given time. He was getting bumped off a little bit on defense in the post as well. But the potential is really exciting and he seems to have a really laid back mindset and willing to learn. He's a pretty good passer as well.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: footey on December 10, 2018, 11:40:49 PM
So it's kinda easy to see why Stevens isn't giving rotation minutes over Baynes, Theis and Horford.

Nick, I couldn’t disagree with you more. Tonight’s game is just further proof that he should be getting more minutes. You are in the minority on this opinion.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: 10610786d on December 10, 2018, 11:41:03 PM
his effort is off the charts and his potential for growth is exceptional.

Glad to hear this for sleepy Rob. His motor was in question before, but he's been getting positive comments about his work ethic since joining. Excited to watch him play 20+ mins (missed the game today to work).
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: LarBrd33 on December 10, 2018, 11:43:47 PM
He's fun to watch.  Like a less skilled Nerlens Noel.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: nickagneta on December 10, 2018, 11:49:40 PM
So it's kinda easy to see why Stevens isn't giving rotation minutes over Baynes, Theis and Horford.

Nick, I couldn’t disagree with you more. Tonight’s game is just further proof that he should be getting more minutes. You are in the minority on this opinion.
Yeah, I doubt I am in the minority. Theis, Baynes and Horford are just miles better than Williams at this point and will and should get the minutes. Williams will have his time eventually, but not this year. Too much vet talent that plays great, smart, winning basketball in front of him.

Boston is really deep. If Williams was on the Lakers, Clippers, Indiana, OKC, a couple of other playoff teams and just about every non playoff team, he would be getting solid rotational minutes. But he plays for the deepest team in the league and his coach looks at him as the 14th player in the rotation and has deemed him not ready.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: footey on December 10, 2018, 11:56:51 PM
So it's kinda easy to see why Stevens isn't giving rotation minutes over Baynes, Theis and Horford.

Nick, I couldn’t disagree with you more. Tonight’s game is just further proof that he should be getting more minutes. You are in the minority on this opinion.
Yeah, I doubt I am in the minority. Theis, Baynes and Horford are just miles better than Williams at this point and will and should get the minutes. Williams will have his time eventually, but not this year. Too much vet talent that plays great, smart, winning basketball in front of him.

Boston is really deep. If Williams was on the Lakers, Clippers, Indiana, OKC, a couple of other playoff teams and just about every non playoff team, he would be getting solid rotational minutes. But he plays for the deepest team in the league and his coach looks at him as the 14th player in the rotation and has deemed him not ready.
Whether or not you’re in the minority is debatable.

What’s not is that you are just flat out wrong. To suggest that Williams doesn’t deserve minutes after a night like this i find baffling.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: footey on December 11, 2018, 12:05:05 AM
He's fun to watch.  Like a less skilled Nerlens Noel.

Not sure what skills you mean. His sweet jumper?
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: nickagneta on December 11, 2018, 12:05:27 AM
So it's kinda easy to see why Stevens isn't giving rotation minutes over Baynes, Theis and Horford.

Nick, I couldn’t disagree with you more. Tonight’s game is just further proof that he should be getting more minutes. You are in the minority on this opinion.
Yeah, I doubt I am in the minority. Theis, Baynes and Horford are just miles better than Williams at this point and will and should get the minutes. Williams will have his time eventually, but not this year. Too much vet talent that plays great, smart, winning basketball in front of him.

Boston is really deep. If Williams was on the Lakers, Clippers, Indiana, OKC, a couple of other playoff teams and just about every non playoff team, he would be getting solid rotational minutes. But he plays for the deepest team in the league and his coach looks at him as the 14th player in the rotation and has deemed him not ready.
Whether or not you’re in the minority is debatable.

What’s not is that you are just flat out wrong. To suggest that Williams doesn’t deserve minutes after a night like this i find baffling.
Well Brad Stevens doesn't find it baffling, but what the hell does he know. I think Baynes has had much better games than this one by Williams. Theis has too. As well as Horford. Doesn't that mean, by your logic they should be getting a bunch of playing time
because the individual games they had were ridiculously better than this game by Williams. I mean, if Williams is getting minutes, who do you sit when everyone everyone is healthy? Baynes? Theis? Horford? They are all better than Williams and have earned their minutes. Williams needs to wait for his opportunity. It's just that simple.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: smokeablount on December 11, 2018, 12:08:30 AM
He's fun to watch.  Like a less skilled Nerlens Noel.

Maybe a more athletic, less fragile Embiid??
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: footey on December 11, 2018, 12:15:48 AM
So it's kinda easy to see why Stevens isn't giving rotation minutes over Baynes, Theis and Horford.

Nick, I couldn’t disagree with you more. Tonight’s game is just further proof that he should be getting more minutes. You are in the minority on this opinion.
Yeah, I doubt I am in the minority. Theis, Baynes and Horford are just miles better than Williams at this point and will and should get the minutes. Williams will have his time eventually, but not this year. Too much vet talent that plays great, smart, winning basketball in front of him.

Boston is really deep. If Williams was on the Lakers, Clippers, Indiana, OKC, a couple of other playoff teams and just about every non playoff team, he would be getting solid rotational minutes. But he plays for the deepest team in the league and his coach looks at him as the 14th player in the rotation and has deemed him not ready.
Whether or not you’re in the minority is debatable.

What’s not is that you are just flat out wrong. To suggest that Williams doesn’t deserve minutes after a night like this i find baffling.
Well Brad Stevens doesn't find it baffling, but what the hell does he know. I think Baynes has had much better games than this one by Williams. Theis has too. As well as Horford. Doesn't that mean, by your logic they should be getting a bunch of playing time
because the individual games they had were ridiculously better than this game by Williams. I mean, if Williams is getting minutes, who do you sit when everyone everyone is healthy? Baynes? Theis? Horford? They are all better than Williams and have earned their minutes. Williams needs to wait for his opportunity. It's just that simple.

Williams outplayed Theis tonight, so this is probably not the night to proclaim that he (or Baynes) is “miles better”.

Let’s see how Brad uses Williams going forward. Brad also starts Smart, a guy you wanted traded since he was drafted. My point is just because Brad plays or doesn’t play someone doesn’t means it’s what I (or you) would like to see in every case.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: Chief Macho on December 11, 2018, 12:34:15 AM
impressive, but  i still don't trust him off the court yet.   talk to me in 5 years.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: nickagneta on December 11, 2018, 12:35:58 AM
So it's kinda easy to see why Stevens isn't giving rotation minutes over Baynes, Theis and Horford.

Nick, I couldn’t disagree with you more. Tonight’s game is just further proof that he should be getting more minutes. You are in the minority on this opinion.
Yeah, I doubt I am in the minority. Theis, Baynes and Horford are just miles better than Williams at this point and will and should get the minutes. Williams will have his time eventually, but not this year. Too much vet talent that plays great, smart, winning basketball in front of him.

Boston is really deep. If Williams was on the Lakers, Clippers, Indiana, OKC, a couple of other playoff teams and just about every non playoff team, he would be getting solid rotational minutes. But he plays for the deepest team in the league and his coach looks at him as the 14th player in the rotation and has deemed him not ready.
Whether or not you’re in the minority is debatable.

What’s not is that you are just flat out wrong. To suggest that Williams doesn’t deserve minutes after a night like this i find baffling.
Well Brad Stevens doesn't find it baffling, but what the hell does he know. I think Baynes has had much better games than this one by Williams. Theis has too. As well as Horford. Doesn't that mean, by your logic they should be getting a bunch of playing time
because the individual games they had were ridiculously better than this game by Williams. I mean, if Williams is getting minutes, who do you sit when everyone everyone is healthy? Baynes? Theis? Horford? They are all better than Williams and have earned their minutes. Williams needs to wait for his opportunity. It's just that simple.

Williams outplayed Theis tonight, so this is probably not the night to proclaim that he (or Baynes) is “miles better”.

Let’s see how Brad uses Williams going forward. Brad also starts Smart, a guy you wanted traded since he was drafted. My point is just because Brad plays or doesn’t play someone doesn’t means it’s what I (or you) would like to see in every case.
Tonight probably isn't the night to talk about Williams being better than Theis. How about the next time Williams puts up 22 points, 10 rebounds, 5 assists, 4 blocks and posts a +50, you can say how much better Williams is over Theis.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: Chris22 on December 11, 2018, 01:08:45 AM
With Yabu out for a while I'm guessing we will finally see more Robert Williams.
Or Horford and Baynes will get healthy quick and the bigs rotation will be Horford, Morris, Baynes, Theis Ojeleye and Williams will never see the floor

Tonight, Williams had 7 points, 11 rebounds, 3 blocks, and 1 steal in 26 minutes against the best big in the game.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: nickagneta on December 11, 2018, 01:42:24 AM
With Yabu out for a while I'm guessing we will finally see more Robert Williams.
Or Horford and Baynes will get healthy quick and the bigs rotation will be Horford, Morris, Baynes, Theis Ojeleye and Williams will never see the floor

Tonight, Williams had 7 points, 11 rebounds, 3 blocks, and 1 steal in 26 minutes against the best big in the game.
You mean the big that had 41 points tonight?
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: nickagneta on December 11, 2018, 01:58:47 AM
Hey, I love Williams.  Go look in my posts about a year ago in a thread asking who could be a dark horse that could become a top two pick. I talked about Robert Williams.  Saw him many times his freshman year and thought he could be special. Still think he can be special.

But he didn't develop his sophomore year and so he dropped to the C's. I was ecstatic about getting him. I think Brad will develop him into a stud. I could see him easily being the Cs center for the next decade. I am psyched to see what he becomes.

But clearly, the coaching staff sees him as the 14th player in the rotation. They clearly see Horford, Baynes and Theis as better players. And I agree with them. Should Stevens throw him a bonus run every once in a while for showing progress in practice and off the court? Absolutely!!!

But this is a title contending team and this is an amazingly deep team. Loads of talented vets and youth that has proven themselves, even in the playoffs. Williams isn't better than those pros and shouldn't be getting big minutes to develop under fire for this team as they try to win the #1 seed in the conference and then the title. You have to go with the better vets.

Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: GreenEnvy on December 11, 2018, 02:02:42 AM
I have high hopes for Williams due to his athleticism. But I feel he may need just a couple extra years beyond what we need.

I hope he can show enough flashes of being a potential impact player to be a trade piece that seals a major trade.

It’s pretty rare that our biggest issue is not having a bad contract to use for a trade. Matching salaries for an upgrade will almost always result in an overpay.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: LarBrd33 on December 11, 2018, 02:28:04 AM
Robert "Time Lord" Williams Full Highlights 2018.12.10 vs Pelicans - 7 pts, 3 ClockBlocks, 11 rbs:  https://youtu.be/tG0TN2E_vyU
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: Celtics4ever on December 11, 2018, 03:28:40 AM
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I hope he can show enough flashes of being a potential impact player to be a trade piece that seals a major trade.

He is potentially a game changer defensively, he is active and he gets boards.   Why rush to trade him?  With him you have cost contol on a rookie contract with tons of potential.  Death to small ball!
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: ederson on December 11, 2018, 03:46:04 AM
With Yabu out for a while I'm guessing we will finally see more Robert Williams.
Or Horford and Baynes will get healthy quick and the bigs rotation will be Horford, Morris, Baynes, Theis Ojeleye and Williams will never see the floor

Tonight, Williams had 7 points, 11 rebounds, 3 blocks, and 1 steal in 26 minutes against the best big in the game.
You mean the big that had 41 points tonight?


Although i don't agree with the exaggerations said about RW , in his defence DA can drop 41 on  anyone.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: GreenEnvy on December 11, 2018, 04:08:08 AM
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I hope he can show enough flashes of being a potential impact player to be a trade piece that seals a major trade.

He is potentially a game changer defensively, he is active and he gets boards.   Why rush to trade him?  With him you have cost contol on a rookie contract with tons of potential.  Death to small ball!

For precisely the reason I said, for a major trade that can put us over the top. I’m not looking to salary dump him.

We may have four first rounders coming our way, we can’t exactly afford all these young projects (which Williams still is, hence why he fell to 27) while trying to contend.

I like his skill set and think he can be a real player in this league, but he may not fit our timeline, which is right now. If some team can use a defensive big with high upside, we may be able to upgrade NOW.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: BitterJim on December 11, 2018, 06:06:46 AM
One of my main concern with him (and most rookies) is fouling, so seeing him go 26 minutes with only 1 PF is a very encouraging sign

With everyone healthy, though, I'd rather see him get 25+ minutes in the G League than maybe 5 minutes with us
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: Celtics4ever on December 11, 2018, 08:10:22 AM
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I like his skill set and think he can be a real player in this league, but he may not fit our timeline, which is right now. If some team can use a defensive big with high upside, we may be able to upgrade NOW.

Maybe you did not notice the lack of big man depth this year?
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on December 11, 2018, 08:45:08 AM
I absolutely love that Williams acted like he had been there before after he blocked Davis both times. He didn't go crazy. He's a pretty level-headed guy and seems confident.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: Walker Wiggle on December 11, 2018, 08:56:03 AM
I was at the game last night and there were definitely some eye-popping moments. That first block on AD nearly brought the house down. In his post-game interview, too, people were cheering for him. You can tell Celtics fans really like what they see from this kid.

Watching the game you can also see that he's very eager to get the block, which can eat you alive in today's NBA. Hassan Whiteside is a great shot blocker, but there are plenty of better defenders out there. Williams will need to learn how to do everything -- body up, be in the right position in the pick and roll, switch onto guards, rotate to the right man, etc. -- if he's going to be a complete defender.

For those clamoring for him to get more minutes... With Yabusele on the shelf for a while with that ankle injury, you'll get your wish. Horford has a knee that needs some care, meaning that he'll have to be thrown in there regardless of what you think of him.

Lastly: Have people seen video of the Celtics working on his three-point stroke? His shooting motion is decent and his FT% in college was fine. Three years from now he could be really valuable as a guy who catches lobs in the pick and roll, plays disruptive defense, handles the ball a little at the top of the key, and even hits the occasional three.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: johnnygreen on December 11, 2018, 09:13:44 AM
It is always fun to see young players, that are oozing with potential, getting playing time. Obviously Horford, Baynes, and Theis are ahead of him on the depth chart and should be getting the majority of the playing time, since this is a team with championship aspirations. However, I would like to see Williams get playing time if/when there are games that are well in hand in the second half of games. I see it as being an investment come playoff time, where he has the potential to be a valuable defender off the bench with six fouls.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: Hank Finkel on December 11, 2018, 09:14:17 AM
I was at the game last night and there were definitely some eye-popping moments. That first block on AD nearly brought the house down. In his post-game interview, too, people were cheering for him. You can tell Celtics fans really like what they see from this kid.

Watching the game you can also see that he's very eager to get the block, which can eat you alive in today's NBA. Hassan Whiteside is a great shot blocker, but there are plenty of better defenders out there. Williams will need to learn how to do everything -- body up, be in the right position in the pick and roll, switch onto guards, rotate to the right man, etc. -- if he's going to be a complete defender.

For those clamoring for him to get more minutes... With Yabusele on the shelf for a while with that ankle injury, you'll get your wish. Horford has a knee that needs some care, meaning that he'll have to be thrown in there regardless of what you think of him.

Lastly: Have people seen video of the Celtics working on his three-point stroke? His shooting motion is decent and his FT% in college was fine. Three years from now he could be really valuable as a guy who catches lobs in the pick and roll, plays disruptive defense, handles the ball a little at the top of the key, and even hits the occasional three.

He is a work in progress (as we all know) but he didn’t look over whelmed out there in his first real extended minutes.  It’s nice just to see Williams in there and becoming part of the team.  The good thing is he is not needed this year and can develop without being under pressure to perform.  I believe he will be big for us in a year or so when this team starts to get older and DA has to make some tough changes in personnel. Speaking of DA, we have potenially 4 first round picks this year.  Who knows where they will land but you have to figure DA will hit on one or two and some young talent to grow with Williams.   
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: Vermont Green on December 11, 2018, 10:12:04 AM
What I have seen of Williams so far is impressive.  I think he could move past Baynes in the rotation pecking order before the end of the season.  Our big rotation is complicated after Horford who is clearly a starting level big.  Morris is playing great but is more of a swing.  I feel we are a little small with Morris and Horford as our primary bigs.  Baynes is plenty big but not that good.  Theis seems to be up and down.

I could see a line up of Irving-Hayward-Tatum-Williams-Horford used during games and being productive.  Williams is probably not quite ready for that at this point.  I guess I am saying a Williams-type of player with that group but with more experience.  Williams has good court awareness.  He runs the court, seems to know where to go, and I have seen him make some really good and quick passes. 

It is not like he is lost out there.  It is kind of like when the Patriots get a new receiver.  It takes a while for them to understand the entire playbook.  Williams does not have the whole playbook yet, on offense or defense.  But he is getting there.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on December 11, 2018, 10:23:55 AM
With Yabu out for a while I'm guessing we will finally see more Robert Williams.
Or Horford and Baynes will get healthy quick and the bigs rotation will be Horford, Morris, Baynes, Theis Ojeleye and Williams will never see the floor

Tonight, Williams had 7 points, 11 rebounds, 3 blocks, and 1 steal in 26 minutes against the best big in the game.
You mean the big that had 41 points tonight?


Although i don't agree with the exaggerations said about RW , in his defence DA can drop 41 on  anyone.

Sure he can, but as a projected defensive big, Williams isn't effective if he allows other Centers to score 14 points more than their per game average.  Especially if your role is to part-time anchor the best defense in the league.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: footey on December 11, 2018, 10:30:36 AM
With Yabu out for a while I'm guessing we will finally see more Robert Williams.
Or Horford and Baynes will get healthy quick and the bigs rotation will be Horford, Morris, Baynes, Theis Ojeleye and Williams will never see the floor



Tonight, Williams had 7 points, 11 rebounds, 3 blocks, and 1 steal in 26 minutes against the best big in the game.
You mean the big that had 41 points tonight?


Although i don't agree with the exaggerations said about RW , in his defence DA can drop 41 on  anyone.

Sure he can, but as a projected defensive big, Williams isn't effective if he allows other Centers to score 14 points more than their per game average.  Especially if your role is to part-time anchor the best defense in the league.
Maybe it had something to do with the fact that Williams and Theis (who also guarded him, by the way) had to stick with single coverage; that Holliday had an off night; that Mirotic didn't play most of the game. Yes Williams is young and makes mistakes. He tries to block shots too much.  He will learn.  But let's not chalk up Davis' 41 points on his back alone.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: furball on December 11, 2018, 10:31:10 AM
according to Chris Forsberg's twitter...

How did Robert Williams fare, defensively, vs. Anthony Davis?

The NBA's tracking data had Williams defending Davis on a team-high 32 possessions (tied with Daniel Theis) and allowing 15 points on 7-of-17 shooting with 2 blocks (Theis allowed Davis 21 points on 8-of-13 FG)
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: footey on December 11, 2018, 10:32:38 AM
according to Chris Forsberg's twitter...

How did Robert Williams fare, defensively, vs. Anthony Davis?

The NBA's tracking data had Williams defending Davis on a team-high 32 possessions (tied with Daniel Theis) and allowing 15 points on 7-of-17 shooting with 2 blocks (Theis allowed Davis 21 points on 8-of-13 FG)

Sorry, you can't quote facts here.  Board consensus is already out; Williams was abysmal defending AD last night. 
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on December 11, 2018, 10:32:49 AM
according to Chris Forsberg's twitter...

How did Robert Williams fare, defensively, vs. Anthony Davis?

The NBA's tracking data had Williams defending Davis on a team-high 32 possessions (tied with Daniel Theis) and allowing 15 points on 7-of-17 shooting with 2 blocks (Theis allowed Davis 21 points on 8-of-13 FG)

Great stats. TP to you.

This idea that Robert Williams allowed 41 points on him is wrong.

And CBS gameplanned to encourage Davis to go one-on-one against him and Theis.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on December 11, 2018, 10:43:21 AM
With Yabu out for a while I'm guessing we will finally see more Robert Williams.
Or Horford and Baynes will get healthy quick and the bigs rotation will be Horford, Morris, Baynes, Theis Ojeleye and Williams will never see the floor



Tonight, Williams had 7 points, 11 rebounds, 3 blocks, and 1 steal in 26 minutes against the best big in the game.
You mean the big that had 41 points tonight?


Although i don't agree with the exaggerations said about RW , in his defence DA can drop 41 on  anyone.

Sure he can, but as a projected defensive big, Williams isn't effective if he allows other Centers to score 14 points more than their per game average.  Especially if your role is to part-time anchor the best defense in the league.
Maybe it had something to do with the fact that Williams and Theis (who also guarded him, by the way) had to stick with single coverage; that Holliday had an off night; that Mirotic didn't play most of the game. Yes Williams is young and makes mistakes. He tries to block shots too much.  He will learn.  But let's not chalk up Davis' 41 points on his back alone.

Someone below you provided the split with him and Theis - he was better, but neither were good.  Holiday and Mirotic not playing arguably makes Davis' job harder.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on December 11, 2018, 10:46:24 AM
according to Chris Forsberg's twitter...

How did Robert Williams fare, defensively, vs. Anthony Davis?

The NBA's tracking data had Williams defending Davis on a team-high 32 possessions (tied with Daniel Theis) and allowing 15 points on 7-of-17 shooting with 2 blocks (Theis allowed Davis 21 points on 8-of-13 FG)

Sorry, you can't quote facts here.  Board consensus is already out; Williams was abysmal defending AD last night.

Per 100 possessions, Davis average 34 ppg.  Pels average 108 possessions per game.  Not sure it's possible to overlay those stats exactly, but they suggest both Williams and Theis may well have allowed Davis more ppg than his average.  That Theis was worse doesn't suggest Williams was good - those stats are probably unfavorable.  I like Williams and he shows promise, but you're criticizing others for a bias in the face of yours.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on December 11, 2018, 10:57:13 AM
according to Chris Forsberg's twitter...

How did Robert Williams fare, defensively, vs. Anthony Davis?

The NBA's tracking data had Williams defending Davis on a team-high 32 possessions (tied with Daniel Theis) and allowing 15 points on 7-of-17 shooting with 2 blocks (Theis allowed Davis 21 points on 8-of-13 FG)

Sorry, you can't quote facts here.  Board consensus is already out; Williams was abysmal defending AD last night.

Per 100 possessions, Davis average 34 ppg.  Pels average 108 possessions per game.  Not sure it's possible to overlay those stats exactly, but they suggest both Williams and Theis may well have allowed Davis more ppg than his average.  That Theis was worse doesn't suggest Williams was good - those stats are probably unfavorable.  I like Williams and he shows promise, but you're criticizing others for a bias in the face of yours.

I don't get what you are trying to say, here.

Remember that CBS left Williams and Theis on an island against AD. The gameplan was to allow him to go one-on-one against those guys, as long as the rest of the team didn't get going. In possessions against AD, Williams 15 points on 7-17 shooting. Williams didn't break against AD one-on-one, and this allowed the rest of the Cs to stay home on their guys, which ultimately limited a team that normally averages 117 ppg to 100 points.

Williams could have done better, for sure. He lacked fundamentals and gave up some easy buckets to AD, but he played him pretty well for the most part.

We're probably saying the same thing. I know it just annoys some posters on here when you take an overly negative take when you could be more much more positive about it.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: Big333223 on December 11, 2018, 12:06:04 PM
Williams also made some nice, solid reads and good passes. Just like... BILL RUSSELL!
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: Chris22 on December 11, 2018, 12:07:51 PM
according to Chris Forsberg's twitter...

How did Robert Williams fare, defensively, vs. Anthony Davis?

The NBA's tracking data had Williams defending Davis on a team-high 32 possessions (tied with Daniel Theis) and allowing 15 points on 7-of-17 shooting with 2 blocks (Theis allowed Davis 21 points on 8-of-13 FG)

Williams length bothered Davis' jump shots.

Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: moiso on December 11, 2018, 12:14:22 PM
according to Chris Forsberg's twitter...

How did Robert Williams fare, defensively, vs. Anthony Davis?

The NBA's tracking data had Williams defending Davis on a team-high 32 possessions (tied with Daniel Theis) and allowing 15 points on 7-of-17 shooting with 2 blocks (Theis allowed Davis 21 points on 8-of-13 FG)

Williams length bothered Davis' jump shots.
Davis does ok against a lot of players with length.  I think the speed in which Williams can pogo into the air was on his mind even more than the length.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: Vermont Green on December 11, 2018, 12:20:38 PM
according to Chris Forsberg's twitter...

How did Robert Williams fare, defensively, vs. Anthony Davis?

The NBA's tracking data had Williams defending Davis on a team-high 32 possessions (tied with Daniel Theis) and allowing 15 points on 7-of-17 shooting with 2 blocks (Theis allowed Davis 21 points on 8-of-13 FG)

So is it correct to interpret this as Davis scoring 15 pts in 32 possessions against Williams so this would be 46.9 pts per 100 possessions?  I know by this same math Theis would have given up over 65 pts/100 but I am just trying to make sure I am interpreting these data correctly.

I am not trying to knock Williams (or Theis).  It was clear that NOP was working the Davis match up.  He took 34 shots.  41 pts on 34 shots is not crazy, it is a lot of shots.

I think Williams is coming along nicely.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: Chris22 on December 11, 2018, 12:21:24 PM
according to Chris Forsberg's twitter...

How did Robert Williams fare, defensively, vs. Anthony Davis?

The NBA's tracking data had Williams defending Davis on a team-high 32 possessions (tied with Daniel Theis) and allowing 15 points on 7-of-17 shooting with 2 blocks (Theis allowed Davis 21 points on 8-of-13 FG)

Williams length bothered Davis' jump shots.
Davis does ok against a lot of players with length.  I think the speed in which Williams can pogo into the air was on his mind even more than the length.

The Celtics need to bring in Bill Russell to mentor Williams.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: apc on December 11, 2018, 12:39:19 PM
according to Chris Forsberg's twitter...

How did Robert Williams fare, defensively, vs. Anthony Davis?

The NBA's tracking data had Williams defending Davis on a team-high 32 possessions (tied with Daniel Theis) and allowing 15 points on 7-of-17 shooting with 2 blocks (Theis allowed Davis 21 points on 8-of-13 FG)

Williams length bothered Davis' jump shots.
Davis does ok against a lot of players with length.  I think the speed in which Williams can pogo into the air was on his mind even more than the length.

The Celtics need to bring in Bill Russell to mentor Williams.
Like Bill Russel said: The idea is to make your opponent believe that you might block every shot.

I think Williams is going to do just that with his leaping capabilities and his high activity level around the rim.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: jambr380 on December 11, 2018, 12:51:09 PM
according to Chris Forsberg's twitter...

How did Robert Williams fare, defensively, vs. Anthony Davis?

The NBA's tracking data had Williams defending Davis on a team-high 32 possessions (tied with Daniel Theis) and allowing 15 points on 7-of-17 shooting with 2 blocks (Theis allowed Davis 21 points on 8-of-13 FG)

So is it correct to interpret this as Davis scoring 15 pts in 32 possessions against Williams so this would be 46.9 pts per 100 possessions?  I know by this same math Theis would have given up over 65 pts/100 but I am just trying to make sure I am interpreting these data correctly.

I am not trying to knock Williams (or Theis).  It was clear that NOP was working the Davis match up.  He took 34 shots.  41 pts on 34 shots is not crazy, it is a lot of shots.

I think Williams is coming along nicely.

I don't think that is what he means. Williams guarded AD on 32 possessions. In those 32 possessions, AD took 17 shots, converting on only 7 of them (this doesn't include free throws). On the remaining possessions, other Pelicans' players took shots with varying levels of success. This would add to the total amount of pts/100 since AD isn't the only player taking and making shots...even if it sometimes feels like it.

What the data does show is the Williams did a considerably better job defending AD 1 on 1 than Theis. Stevens probably also noticed this which is why Williams was re-inserted quickly (I think near the end of the 3rd) when Theis was letting AD have a field day on him on several consecutive possessions.

What the data does not really show is team defense, where I think Theis currently has a discernible edge on Williams...but that's because one is a young rookie and the other a 26 yo former DPOY in his former league.

The tl;dr of it all - Williams was surprisingly good and we should be happy he is developing at a nice pace.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: RodyTur10 on December 11, 2018, 01:09:34 PM
according to Chris Forsberg's twitter...

How did Robert Williams fare, defensively, vs. Anthony Davis?

The NBA's tracking data had Williams defending Davis on a team-high 32 possessions (tied with Daniel Theis) and allowing 15 points on 7-of-17 shooting with 2 blocks (Theis allowed Davis 21 points on 8-of-13 FG)

TP. I was looking for those stats. You take that type of shooting every day of the week from a superstar like Davis.

And I think it shows that Williams is better on man-to-man defense, while Theis is a better team defender.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: playdream on December 11, 2018, 01:28:28 PM
People really need to watch the game

Williams gave Davis a extremely hard time, outside first rookie mistake Davis barely got four buckets against Williams, one he used the rim to protect himself , one is after a phantom call, only two solid but vert difficult shot,all others had been blocked or altered by Williams, Davis basically have no answer for Williams

Other then that Davis can only score when Brown and Rozier closing out too much and let their man through and Williams need to cover , they are in front the basket and they jump so Williams had no choice but to jump, then they pass to Davis with a easy dunk because no one came to help

I remember someone claimed Williams is going to foul alot because he is a rookie, whoever said that clearly never saw his game before, he play very smart defense, always in the right position and make the right move, tonight against AD and Randle in 25min he didn't pick up any foul(his only foul was really a rookie call which he didn't touched Davis)

Also he is a +13(team high) and held Davis to a -18(team low) with more blocks and rebound than Davis, most important he got the win
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Roy H. on December 11, 2018, 01:28:52 PM
Holding Davis to sub-50% shooting and keeping him off the FT line is solid work for a rookie playing his first real meaningful minutes.

I mean, the kid looked like an NBA player.  That's good enough for me.  The rest of it -- ball denial, help defense, switches, etc. -- comes with experience and repetition.  I still feel confident that Williams can be Sam Dalembert, which would be a steal for where he was drafted.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: nickagneta on December 11, 2018, 01:34:22 PM
Holding Davis to sub-50% shooting and keeping him off the FT line is solid work for a rookie playing his first real meaningful minutes.

I mean, the kid looked like an NBA player.  That's good enough for me.  The rest of it -- ball denial, help defense, switches, etc. -- comes with experience and repetition.  I still feel confident that Williams can be Sam Dalembert, which would be a steal for where he was drafted.
Agree with all this but there are posters arguing that when everyone is healthy Williams deserves minutes over Theis, Baynes and Horford. He just isn't good enough to be taking minutes away from those proven vets.

There's a decent chance Baynes or Theis or both are gone next year. Williams can get his chance then.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: playdream on December 11, 2018, 01:46:44 PM
Holding Davis to sub-50% shooting and keeping him off the FT line is solid work for a rookie playing his first real meaningful minutes.

I mean, the kid looked like an NBA player.  That's good enough for me.  The rest of it -- ball denial, help defense, switches, etc. -- comes with experience and repetition.  I still feel confident that Williams can be Sam Dalembert, which would be a steal for where he was drafted.

It's not a solid work it's a fantastic work
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: LarBrd33 on December 11, 2018, 02:12:51 PM
Holding Davis to sub-50% shooting and keeping him off the FT line is solid work for a rookie playing his first real meaningful minutes.

I mean, the kid looked like an NBA player.  That's good enough for me.  The rest of it -- ball denial, help defense, switches, etc. -- comes with experience and repetition.  I still feel confident that Williams can be Sam Dalembert, which would be a steal for where he was drafted.

It's not a solid work it's a fantastic work
my only thing is that the power of the unknown can skew early results. Anthony David has probably never even heard of Robert Williams and likely didn’t know his defensive tendencies or capabilities.  Maybe once the word gets out that Robert bites on everything they will just upfake him into fouling out in a couple minutes.  Who knows. 

Gotta see more of him, but that was a nice stint last nights.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: bdm860 on December 11, 2018, 02:34:10 PM
Holding Davis to sub-50% shooting and keeping him off the FT line is solid work for a rookie playing his first real meaningful minutes.

I mean, the kid looked like an NBA player.  That's good enough for me.  The rest of it -- ball denial, help defense, switches, etc. -- comes with experience and repetition.  I still feel confident that Williams can be Sam Dalembert, which would be a steal for where he was drafted.

It's not a solid work it's a fantastic work
my only thing is that the power of the unknown can skew early results. Anthony David has probably never even heard of Robert Williams and likely didn’t know his defensive tendencies or capabilities.  Maybe once the word gets out that Robert bites on everything they will just upfake him into fouling out in a couple minutes.  Who knows. 

Gotta see more of him, but that was a nice stint last nights.

This was my worry when watching Williams last night.  It'll be interesting to see how Williams plays once he gets a little more comfortable, but it will also be interesting to see how the opponents react once they get a scouting report on him.

I felt like I saw signs of block chasing.  Lowe had a decent piece on Nerlens Noel being the worst in the league at it (#6 if anybody is interested (http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25084779/zach-lowe-10-things-like-including-kawhi-leonard-toronto-raptors-nba)) Not saying this is what Williams will become, but just something to keep an eye on.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: liam on December 11, 2018, 02:45:27 PM
Holding Davis to sub-50% shooting and keeping him off the FT line is solid work for a rookie playing his first real meaningful minutes.

I mean, the kid looked like an NBA player.  That's good enough for me.  The rest of it -- ball denial, help defense, switches, etc. -- comes with experience and repetition.  I still feel confident that Williams can be Sam Dalembert, which would be a steal for where he was drafted.
Agree with all this but there are posters arguing that when everyone is healthy Williams deserves minutes over Theis, Baynes and Horford. He just isn't good enough to be taking minutes away from those proven vets.

There's a decent chance Baynes or Theis or both are gone next year. Williams can get his chance then.

I think he deserves situational minutes against some of the longer centers in the NBA. I don't think he'll be playing in front of those guys but he can play. We could've used a guy like Williams last year when Theis went down...
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: CF033 on December 11, 2018, 02:54:36 PM
Williams IMO has a higher ceiling than either Baynes or Theis. He's an athletic freak and obviously has good instincts on the defensive end. That's not to say he should get minutes over them this year but I def want to see him develop more.

Given the circumstances I think he did an amazing job against arguably the best center in the NBA.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: CelticsElite on December 11, 2018, 03:00:50 PM
Did we showcase robert Williams to the pelicans? Lol

https://youtu.be/xs7_8wUYSm8

Forget his blocking ability--- he has a knack for blocking the shot then tipping it to a teammate or retrieving the ball. Its a really good instinct he has
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on December 11, 2018, 03:01:53 PM
according to Chris Forsberg's twitter...

How did Robert Williams fare, defensively, vs. Anthony Davis?

The NBA's tracking data had Williams defending Davis on a team-high 32 possessions (tied with Daniel Theis) and allowing 15 points on 7-of-17 shooting with 2 blocks (Theis allowed Davis 21 points on 8-of-13 FG)

Sorry, you can't quote facts here.  Board consensus is already out; Williams was abysmal defending AD last night.

Per 100 possessions, Davis average 34 ppg.  Pels average 108 possessions per game.  Not sure it's possible to overlay those stats exactly, but they suggest both Williams and Theis may well have allowed Davis more ppg than his average.  That Theis was worse doesn't suggest Williams was good - those stats are probably unfavorable.  I like Williams and he shows promise, but you're criticizing others for a bias in the face of yours.

I don't get what you are trying to say, here.

Remember that CBS left Williams and Theis on an island against AD. The gameplan was to allow him to go one-on-one against those guys, as long as the rest of the team didn't get going. In possessions against AD, Williams 15 points on 7-17 shooting. Williams didn't break against AD one-on-one, and this allowed the rest of the Cs to stay home on their guys, which ultimately limited a team that normally averages 117 ppg to 100 points.

Williams could have done better, for sure. He lacked fundamentals and gave up some easy buckets to AD, but he played him pretty well for the most part.

We're probably saying the same thing. I know it just annoys some posters on here when you take an overly negative take when you could be more much more positive about it.

We do share the same perspective, I was just replying to the above suggesting that the stats provided a perfect picture and disagreement was inaccurately biased.  Qualitative stuff actually seems like a better indicator and I am optimistic about big Boo Butt. 
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: playdream on December 11, 2018, 03:08:03 PM
Holding Davis to sub-50% shooting and keeping him off the FT line is solid work for a rookie playing his first real meaningful minutes.

I mean, the kid looked like an NBA player.  That's good enough for me.  The rest of it -- ball denial, help defense, switches, etc. -- comes with experience and repetition.  I still feel confident that Williams can be Sam Dalembert, which would be a steal for where he was drafted.

It's not a solid work it's a fantastic work
my only thing is that the power of the unknown can skew early results. Anthony David has probably never even heard of Robert Williams and likely didn’t know his defensive tendencies or capabilities.  Maybe once the word gets out that Robert bites on everything they will just upfake him into fouling out in a couple minutes.  Who knows. 

Gotta see more of him, but that was a nice stint last nights.
Comments like this make me wonder if people really watch the game or just imagine things up?
Williams is a smart defender that rarely bite on pump fakes

https://twitter.com/AdamHimmelsbach/status/1072336424870035456
AD on Robert Williams blocks: "Yeah, I was surprised. I thought he was going to go for the pump fake, and he didn’t. I just tried to shoot over. He’s good. He’s talented. A good defensive player."

Inexperienced and lack of fundamental he is, but stupid he is not
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: Vermont Green on December 11, 2018, 03:31:59 PM
according to Chris Forsberg's twitter...

How did Robert Williams fare, defensively, vs. Anthony Davis?

The NBA's tracking data had Williams defending Davis on a team-high 32 possessions (tied with Daniel Theis) and allowing 15 points on 7-of-17 shooting with 2 blocks (Theis allowed Davis 21 points on 8-of-13 FG)

So is it correct to interpret this as Davis scoring 15 pts in 32 possessions against Williams so this would be 46.9 pts per 100 possessions?  I know by this same math Theis would have given up over 65 pts/100 but I am just trying to make sure I am interpreting these data correctly.

I am not trying to knock Williams (or Theis).  It was clear that NOP was working the Davis match up.  He took 34 shots.  41 pts on 34 shots is not crazy, it is a lot of shots.

I think Williams is coming along nicely.

I don't think that is what he means. Williams guarded AD on 32 possessions. In those 32 possessions, AD took 17 shots, converting on only 7 of them (this doesn't include free throws). On the remaining possessions, other Pelicans' players took shots with varying levels of success. This would add to the total amount of pts/100 since AD isn't the only player taking and making shots...even if it sometimes feels like it.

What the data does show is the Williams did a considerably better job defending AD 1 on 1 than Theis. Stevens probably also noticed this which is why Williams was re-inserted quickly (I think near the end of the 3rd) when Theis was letting AD have a field day on him on several consecutive possessions.

What the data does not really show is team defense, where I think Theis currently has a discernible edge on Williams...but that's because one is a young rookie and the other a 26 yo former DPOY in his former league.

The tl;dr of it all - Williams was surprisingly good and we should be happy he is developing at a nice pace.

I am not sure I follow this.  The original stats said that Davis scored 15 pts in 32 minutes that Williams covered him.  What you are getting at is how many points the team scored in those 32 minutes.  Two completely different things.

My extrapolation would be based on the assumption that Davis got the same exact usage rate and scored at the same exact efficiency over 100 possessions as he did in the 32 possessions that are referenced.  I think the numbers per 100 possessions look high because NOP was forcing the ball to him thinking they had a favorable match up and so Davis had an unusually high usage rate.

Of course it is not realistic that Davis would be on the court for 100 possessions, that is just a way to normalize the data, like per 36 minutes.  This type of normalization does create some distortion of course.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: smokeablount on December 11, 2018, 04:13:05 PM
To everyone bashing Williams' defense, allowing Davis 14 points on 7-17 shooting is really good. 

Also, everyone pointing to the 41 points... Davis put up 46 on us in the Garden last year when Al was guarding him.  So I guess RW is a terrible defender, but hey, by your logic at least he's better than Al Horford. 
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: ImShakHeIsShaq on December 11, 2018, 04:24:52 PM
The only thing I saw that he really needs to work on was that he helped too much at times. Other than that he was altering shots left and right. He just needs more experience on when to help. Needs playing time but you can't force it!
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: footey on December 11, 2018, 04:40:00 PM
Holding Davis to sub-50% shooting and keeping him off the FT line is solid work for a rookie playing his first real meaningful minutes.

I mean, the kid looked like an NBA player.  That's good enough for me.  The rest of it -- ball denial, help defense, switches, etc. -- comes with experience and repetition.  I still feel confident that Williams can be Sam Dalembert, which would be a steal for where he was drafted.

Dalembert does not come to mind. Williams considerably more athletic. Dalembert better shooting touch.
Title: Re: More Robert Williams please....
Post by: jambr380 on December 11, 2018, 04:48:31 PM
according to Chris Forsberg's twitter...

How did Robert Williams fare, defensively, vs. Anthony Davis?

The NBA's tracking data had Williams defending Davis on a team-high 32 possessions (tied with Daniel Theis) and allowing 15 points on 7-of-17 shooting with 2 blocks (Theis allowed Davis 21 points on 8-of-13 FG)

So is it correct to interpret this as Davis scoring 15 pts in 32 possessions against Williams so this would be 46.9 pts per 100 possessions?  I know by this same math Theis would have given up over 65 pts/100 but I am just trying to make sure I am interpreting these data correctly.

I am not trying to knock Williams (or Theis).  It was clear that NOP was working the Davis match up.  He took 34 shots.  41 pts on 34 shots is not crazy, it is a lot of shots.

I think Williams is coming along nicely.

I don't think that is what he means. Williams guarded AD on 32 possessions. In those 32 possessions, AD took 17 shots, converting on only 7 of them (this doesn't include free throws). On the remaining possessions, other Pelicans' players took shots with varying levels of success. This would add to the total amount of pts/100 since AD isn't the only player taking and making shots...even if it sometimes feels like it.

What the data does show is the Williams did a considerably better job defending AD 1 on 1 than Theis. Stevens probably also noticed this which is why Williams was re-inserted quickly (I think near the end of the 3rd) when Theis was letting AD have a field day on him on several consecutive possessions.

What the data does not really show is team defense, where I think Theis currently has a discernible edge on Williams...but that's because one is a young rookie and the other a 26 yo former DPOY in his former league.

The tl;dr of it all - Williams was surprisingly good and we should be happy he is developing at a nice pace.

I am not sure I follow this.  The original stats said that Davis scored 15 pts in 32 minutes that Williams covered him.  What you are getting at is how many points the team scored in those 32 minutes.  Two completely different things.

My extrapolation would be based on the assumption that Davis got the same exact usage rate and scored at the same exact efficiency over 100 possessions as he did in the 32 possessions that are referenced.  I think the numbers per 100 possessions look high because NOP was forcing the ball to him thinking they had a favorable match up and so Davis had an unusually high usage rate.

Of course it is not realistic that Davis would be on the court for 100 possessions, that is just a way to normalize the data, like per 36 minutes.  This type of normalization does create some distortion of course.

I must have misunderstood your point. I was referring to NOP having a total of 32 possessions with Williams guarding AD. On those 32 possessions, AD only scored 15 points (I say only because his usage rate was so high - 17 shots on 32 possessions is very high usage). It is actually possible for AD to be on the court for 100 NOP possessions in a game - he just wouldn't be taking shots on all of them. That is why I referenced other players taking and making shots above.

I think you are referencing a different metric where a player's points are compared to the team's total possessions (rather than team points/team possessions. In this case, AD's 46.9 pts/100 possessions would, on the surface, look quite good, but when you delve deeper, you see that the efficiency is less than impressive (17 shots to get 15 points).

I apologize if you were referring to something different. I have really only ever seen points/100 possessions referenced in terms of team points, not an individual. You are right - two totally different things.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: liam on December 11, 2018, 06:38:51 PM
The only thing I saw that he really needs to work on was that he helped too much at times. Other than that he was altering shots left and right. He just needs more experience on when to help. Needs playing time but you can't force it!

He does need work on when to help and when to stay home but teammates also need to cover when he helps off his man to stop penetration. Williams is a young big man with a ton of raw talent but he also needs to put in a ton of work if he wants to be a good NBA player. He's very exciting to watch already.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: ImShakHeIsShaq on December 11, 2018, 07:50:47 PM
The only thing I saw that he really needs to work on was that he helped too much at times. Other than that he was altering shots left and right. He just needs more experience on when to help. Needs playing time but you can't force it!

He does need work on when to help and when to stay home but teammates also need to cover when he helps off his man to stop penetration. Williams is a young big man with a ton of raw talent but he also needs to put in a ton of work if he wants to be a good NBA player. He's very exciting to watch already.

Stud. shhh keep it on the low!! ;D
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: konkmv on December 11, 2018, 08:34:40 PM
We all get too excited some times with some perfomances... rozier was great when needed but is no better than irwing.. brown is great for his age but needs to work hard for the next 2 3 years to become a jimmy butler type of player. He has the tools..
So williams has obviously the physical tools but is 21? He is no better overall than theis or even baynes now but has much higher ceiling.. centers grow slow... he needs playing time.. red clows and some nba this year is fine... we will see flashes not consistency... next year he could be a 12-15 minutes guy.. and in 2 years a 20 minutea guy.. i will be pleased wit that
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: #1P4P on December 11, 2018, 09:54:01 PM
RW demonstrating the ability to ably defend the best 5 and a top 3 player in the NBA bodes well for the Cs, to say the least. He has all the tools to be a great defensive player if he has the work ethic to learn the nuances of the offense and defense. Until then, Brad's going to lean on veterans that know the system and have his trust and Robert's going to have to get his reps in practice and in Maine.

If he continues to progress, this will be Baynes' last season on the team. Baynes' salary and the salary cap situation is going to be too dicey to dedicate X to Baynes with RW waiting in the wings.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: mctyson on December 11, 2018, 09:58:10 PM
Holding Davis to sub-50% shooting and keeping him off the FT line is solid work for a rookie playing his first real meaningful minutes.

I mean, the kid looked like an NBA player.  That's good enough for me.  The rest of it -- ball denial, help defense, switches, etc. -- comes with experience and repetition.  I still feel confident that Williams can be Sam Dalembert, which would be a steal for where he was drafted.

Dalembert does not come to mind. Williams considerably more athletic. Dalembert better shooting touch.

I think his point is that if you could say "Williams will be like Dalembert" nearly every single Celtics fan would take outcome immediately.  Getting a functional NBA rotation player and possibly elite defender/rebounder/or shot blocker late in the 1st round is rare.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Bobshot on December 11, 2018, 10:15:08 PM
Williams showed last night he deserves more playing time. It took 5 guys being injured to get him significant minutes. Then he shows up the best big man in the League. That tells me maybe somebody has been missing something about him. Or maybe his skills are not appreciated? We need to see more of him on the court.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Eddie20 on December 11, 2018, 10:20:47 PM
Then he shows up the best big man in the League.

Seriously?
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: nickagneta on December 11, 2018, 11:03:47 PM
RW demonstrating the ability to ably defend the best 5 and a top 3 player in the NBA bodes well for the Cs, to say the least. He has all the tools to be a great defensive player if he has the work ethic to learn the nuances of the offense and defense. Until then, Brad's going to lean on veterans that know the system and have his trust and Robert's going to have to get his reps in practice and in Maine.

If he continues to progress, this will be Baynes' last season on the team. Baynes' salary and the salary cap situation is going to be too dicey to dedicate X to Baynes with RW waiting in the wings.
Baynes has a player option for next year. Theis is a free agent. Baynes is most likely back. Williams would replace Theis. The year after Baynes will probably be gone and Williams, if he develops, will most likely be the starting center.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: nickagneta on December 11, 2018, 11:09:50 PM
Then he shows up the best big man in the League.

Seriously?
I agree. He never showed up Davis. That is kinda nonsensical. And he didn't showed he deserved more playing time. It was one good game. What he showed is he is a hard worker and oozes potential, but is no way better than Baynes or Theis currently. What it showed is Williams could be special eventually. Have patience. Williams will have his time. Allow Steven's to develop him and allow Steven's to make a run at the title this year with better vets that he trusts
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: trickybilly on December 11, 2018, 11:59:34 PM
Then he shows up the best big man in the League.

Seriously?

The American League? His slugging numbers are off the charts, but his WAR leaves a lot to be desired.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: RockinRyA on December 12, 2018, 01:51:38 AM
Then he shows up the best big man in the League.

Seriously?

Reminds me of the time that Mavs fans were so excited because young Ryan Hollins blocked Tim Duncan.

I like Williams, I think he played well, and it looks like he isnt just an athletic big, he has skills too. He might end up as our starting C. But it was 1 game and he also made mistakes.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: playdream on December 12, 2018, 02:46:40 AM
Then he shows up the best big man in the League.

Seriously?

Reminds me of the time that Mavs fans were so excited because young Ryan Hollins blocked Tim Duncan.

I like Williams, I think he played well, and it looks like he isnt just an athletic big, he has skills too. He might end up as our starting C. But it was 1 game and he also made mistakes.
Tell me whoelse blocked Anthony Davis's hook and fallaway jumper in one game?
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: ederson on December 12, 2018, 04:27:56 AM
MCW : 22 points, 12 assists, 7 rebounds, and 9 steals in NBA debut .... Who else has done that ?




Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Eddie20 on December 12, 2018, 05:41:53 AM
Then he shows up the best big man in the League.

Seriously?

Reminds me of the time that Mavs fans were so excited because young Ryan Hollins blocked Tim Duncan.

I like Williams, I think he played well, and it looks like he isnt just an athletic big, he has skills too. He might end up as our starting C. But it was 1 game and he also made mistakes.
Tell me whoelse blocked Anthony Davis's hook and fallaway jumper in one game?

One time Conner Henry dunked on Dr. J and Barkley. Tell me who else did that?
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: 10610786d on December 12, 2018, 06:27:45 AM
Finally able to watch the highlights of Rob - some of these are hilariously bad contests, but his ridiculous long arms help him so much.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Celtics4ever on December 12, 2018, 07:35:40 AM
Quote
I agree. He never showed up Davis. That is kinda nonsensical. And he didn't showed he deserved more playing time. It was one good game. What he showed is he is a hard worker and oozes potential, but is no way better than Baynes or Theis currently.

Davis shot 41% from the field and got two shots blocked by the rook.   You can bet he was aware of him to some degree and Davis shot over 50% with Theis on him.   Your simply not going to stop a superstar like Davis but Williams was more effective on defense against him than Theis.   The kid is a better rebounder than Theis or Baynes but we all know he is raw and needs tons of work.

Davis said this about the kid after game

Quote
"Yeah, I was surprised. I thought he was going to go for the pump fake, and he didn’t. I just tried to shoot over. He’s good. He’s talented. A good defensive player."

https://celticswire.usatoday.com/2018/12/10/anthony-davis-talks-rookie-robert-williams-game-following-loss/

So he was willing to acknowledge the shock of getting blocked.

Williams deserves more playing time but he is not ready for all prime time.  I think he gives us a luxury to rest Horford and Baynes.   Theis should start.   Get those guys healed.   But Robert Williams is a legit NBA player, with talent.

He does lack shooting skills, and experience and is raw.   I hope we keep him because he has so much potential for growth and seems to be a hard worker thus far.  The best part of the game was seeing Al's proud look when Williams was doing well on the court.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Vermont Green on December 12, 2018, 08:42:23 AM
Williams showed last night he deserves more playing time. It took 5 guys being injured to get him significant minutes. Then he shows up the best big man in the League. That tells me maybe somebody has been missing something about him. Or maybe his skills are not appreciated? We need to see more of him on the court.

What I have seen of Williams so far is impressive, but I think he still needs experience.  It is not like he is lost out there but he is also not a complete player yet.  It is kind of like when the Patriots get a new receiver.  It takes a while for them to understand the entire playbook.  Williams does not have the whole playbook yet, on offense or defense.  But he is getting there.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: nickagneta on December 12, 2018, 10:12:28 AM
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I agree. He never showed up Davis. That is kinda nonsensical. And he didn't showed he deserved more playing time. It was one good game. What he showed is he is a hard worker and oozes potential, but is no way better than Baynes or Theis currently.

Davis shot 41% from the field and got two shots blocked by the rook.   You can bet he was aware of him to some degree and Davis shot over 50% with Theis on him.   Your simply not going to stop a superstar like Davis but Williams was more effective on defense against him than Theis.   The kid is a better rebounder than Theis or Baynes but we all know he is raw and needs tons of work.

Davis said this about the kid after game

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"Yeah, I was surprised. I thought he was going to go for the pump fake, and he didn’t. I just tried to shoot over. He’s good. He’s talented. A good defensive player."

https://celticswire.usatoday.com/2018/12/10/anthony-davis-talks-rookie-robert-williams-game-following-loss/

So he was willing to acknowledge the shock of getting blocked.

Williams deserves more playing time but he is not ready for all prime time.  I think he gives us a luxury to rest Horford and Baynes.   Theis should start.   Get those guys healed.   But Robert Williams is a legit NBA player, with talent.

He does lack shooting skills, and experience and is raw.   I hope we keep him because he has so much potential for growth and seems to be a hard worker thus far.  The best part of the game was seeing Al's proud look when Williams was doing well on the court.
I loved the way the bench cheered him on like they were all proud parents or brothers. Thought that was awesome.

And, yeah, I acknowledge he played great one on one defense on Davis. Davis does too. But he didn't show him up. I mean that is not the first time Davis has had his shot blocked.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: footey on December 12, 2018, 10:45:04 AM
Williams showed last night he deserves more playing time. It took 5 guys being injured to get him significant minutes. Then he shows up the best big man in the League. That tells me maybe somebody has been missing something about him. Or maybe his skills are not appreciated? We need to see more of him on the court.

What I have seen of Williams so far is impressive, but I think he still needs experience.  It is not like he is lost out there but he is also not a complete player yet.  It is kind of like when the Patriots get a new receiver.  It takes a while for them to understand the entire playbook.  Williams does not have the whole playbook yet, on offense or defense.  But he is getting there.

I agree. Reminds me of Dennis Rodman his rookie year.  He even trots up and down the court like Rodman, like a young colt prancing.  I love this kid.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: playdream on December 13, 2018, 04:32:56 AM
TimeLord has outplayed Theis two games in a row
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Alec14 on December 13, 2018, 04:50:17 AM
I really hope Brad keeps feeding him minutes even after Horford returns. He gives us a skill-set we don't otherwise have, and every time he's on the court he does good things. Put Theis farther down the bench and give Rob some of Baynes's minutes as well. He could develop into a real weapon as a defender against the East's long and athletic stars like Embiid and the Freak. If he can do a good job on Davis he likely could do the same on them, and we know we're going to see them in the playoffs.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: trickybilly on December 13, 2018, 05:13:25 AM
TimeLord has outplayed Theis two games in a row

Theis might be handier against bigs that don't like to leave the defensive paint, Theis is a pretty solid 3pt shooter.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: A Future of Stevens on December 13, 2018, 06:36:34 AM
Williams showed last night he deserves more playing time. It took 5 guys being injured to get him significant minutes. Then he shows up the best big man in the League. That tells me maybe somebody has been missing something about him. Or maybe his skills are not appreciated? We need to see more of him on the court.

What I have seen of Williams so far is impressive, but I think he still needs experience.  It is not like he is lost out there but he is also not a complete player yet.  It is kind of like when the Patriots get a new receiver.  It takes a while for them to understand the entire playbook.  Williams does not have the whole playbook yet, on offense or defense.  But he is getting there.

I agree. Reminds me of Dennis Rodman his rookie year.  He even trots up and down the court like Rodman, like a young colt prancing.  I love this kid.

And there it is. I've been racking my brain trying to describe a way he moves around the court. Prancing like a colt. Love it. TP Thanks.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: playdream on December 13, 2018, 07:00:17 AM
TimeLord has outplayed Theis two games in a row

Theis might be handier against bigs that don't like to leave the defensive paint, Theis is a pretty solid 3pt shooter.
Agree. his physical really limit his defense , he really can't handle those good guards and bigs, plus he did foul too easy sometimes
If he can't take advantage on the outside shooting Williams is clear the better option
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on December 13, 2018, 08:43:42 AM
TimeLord has outplayed Theis two games in a row

Theis' struggle has always been fouls. He fouls way too much. If he could figure that out, he might be a starter in this league next to a different high-level front court player.

Williams isn't fouling, which is huge for a young big man.

Everyone's theory on his ability is proving true -- at Texas AM, he was out of position and playing in a clogged offense. His length and quick jumping are elite in space in the NBA.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Birdman on December 13, 2018, 09:39:54 AM
Need to be playing more without a doubt
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: playdream on December 13, 2018, 10:01:34 AM
TimeLord has outplayed Theis two games in a row

Theis' struggle has always been fouls. He fouls way too much. If he could figure that out, he might be a starter in this league next to a different high-level front court player.

Williams isn't fouling, which is huge for a young big man.

Everyone's theory on his ability is proving true -- at Texas AM, he was out of position and playing in a clogged offense. His length and quick jumping are elite in space in the NBA.
Two games Theis dominated this year are the Pistons and Bulls, no great guards or bigs(No i don't think Griffin+Drummond can be called great otherwise they will win more games)

Williams performed against Davis+Randle. Beal+Wall

Beal can't score past him and even though Wall had 3 basket on him it's one midrange pullup and two drives, all heavily contested, In OT Williams forced Wall to midrange pullup again and missed, without him our other players don't have a chance to even contest it
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Surferdad on December 13, 2018, 10:36:23 AM
TimeLord has outplayed Theis two games in a row

Theis might be handier against bigs that don't like to leave the defensive paint, Theis is a pretty solid 3pt shooter.
Agree. his physical really limit his defense , he really can't handle those good guards and bigs, plus he did foul too easy sometimes
If he can't take advantage on the outside shooting Williams is clear the better option
Not sure I agree.  Isn't it better to stop a score with a foul than to be a turnstile?  Williams is a good 1-1 defender but has a lot to learn about team defense.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: nickagneta on December 13, 2018, 11:22:42 AM
And let's not forget, when Williams is in the game the team is basically playing 4 on 5. No one gets him the ball and no plays are called for him. He has shown nothing but an ability to dunk. Heck, even his screens are weak as he is always moving and doesn't set a hard screen.

Love the kid's potential but Baynes and Theis are better players and should get the minutes. Williams will get run when the other guys are hurt, and that's great. But with everyone healthy, he isn't ready to displace anyone yet. If Theis isn't back next year, and I expect he won't be, Williams will see regular minutes next year. He just needs to be a sponge and soak in the knowledge this year, little else.

And, once again, I love Williams and think he will be a stud in a couple years. But he isn't one now.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on December 13, 2018, 11:28:17 AM
And let's not forget, when Williams is in the game the team is basically playing 4 on 5. No one gets him the ball and no plays are called for him. He has shown nothing but an ability to dunk. Heck, even his screens are weak as he is always moving and doesn't set a hard screen.

Love the kid's potential but Baynes and Theis are better players and should get the minutes. Williams will get run when the other guys are hurt, and that's great. But with everyone healthy, he isn't ready to displace anyone yet. If Theis isn't back next year, and I expect he won't be, Williams will see regular minutes next year. He just needs to be a sponge and soak in the knowledge this year, little else.

And, once again, I love Williams and think he will be a stud in a couple years. But he isn't one now.

I mean, I think Theis and Baynes are better options than Williams at this point in his career, but I think you went a bit far here.

Put-backs and alleyoops put pressure on a defense too. He has been scoring in his role, and doing it pretty well.

I also disagree about his picks. At times he doesn't hold the screen quite long enough, but that's because he is trying to roll for an alley-oop, which puts pressure on the defense in a different way.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: nickagneta on December 13, 2018, 11:39:44 AM
And let's not forget, when Williams is in the game the team is basically playing 4 on 5. No one gets him the ball and no plays are called for him. He has shown nothing but an ability to dunk. Heck, even his screens are weak as he is always moving and doesn't set a hard screen.

Love the kid's potential but Baynes and Theis are better players and should get the minutes. Williams will get run when the other guys are hurt, and that's great. But with everyone healthy, he isn't ready to displace anyone yet. If Theis isn't back next year, and I expect he won't be, Williams will see regular minutes next year. He just needs to be a sponge and soak in the knowledge this year, little else.

And, once again, I love Williams and think he will be a stud in a couple years. But he isn't one now.

I mean, I think Theis and Baynes are better options than Williams at this point in his career, but I think you went a bit far here.

Put-backs and alleyoops put pressure on a defense too. He has been scoring in his role, and doing it pretty well.

I also disagree about his picks. At times he doesn't hold the screen quite long enough, but that's because he is trying to roll for an alley-oop, which puts pressure on the defense in a different way.
I never claimed that Williams wouldn't be a better player than Baynes and Theis eventually. I said he would be a stud, which obviously Baynes and Theis aren't. But for right now Theis and Baynes are better, more complete players.

His screens are weak. He is super quick on his first step to the basket. He can still apply the same rim running pressure of much, much better screens. He isn't good at it now.

And I disagree about how much he adds to the offense except for his very occasional put back or alley oop. When he is out there, it's 4 on 5 on offense. And as I stated in the game thread, I think he could do more offensively but there are no plays being called for him and the playmakers are just not involving him like they do with Horford, Theis and Baynes in the three man game when they have people hanging out in corners. Maybe Williams just hasn't figured out the playbook yet?
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: rondofan1255 on December 15, 2018, 01:13:39 PM
As expected, horford ruled out for today’s game

Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: nickagneta on December 15, 2018, 01:40:28 PM
As expected, horford ruled out for today’s game
It was announced about four days ago that the earliest Horford would be back would be the Phoenix game on the 21st.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Bobshot on December 15, 2018, 09:44:18 PM
Williams showed last night he deserves more playing time. It took 5 guys being injured to get him significant minutes. Then he shows up the best big man in the League. That tells me maybe somebody has been missing something about him. Or maybe his skills are not appreciated? We need to see more of him on the court.

What I have seen of Williams so far is impressive, but I think he still needs experience.  It is not like he is lost out there but he is also not a complete player yet.  It is kind of like when the Patriots get a new receiver.  It takes a while for them to understand the entire playbook.  Williams does not have the whole playbook yet, on offense or defense.  But he is getting there.

You have to play to get experience. Tonite, against Detroit, his efforts last game earned him LESS minutes--10. When you'd think he'd be asked to play more against Drummond with Horford out. Instead Drummond cleaned up the boards and had a big night. Nobody defending him. Williams on the bench. Is the coach sending some kind of a message here? I hope not.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: nickagneta on December 15, 2018, 09:55:30 PM
Williams was terrible in his time in the first half against Drummond. He just got out muscled. Tonight, Williams looked every bit a raw rookie.

But it happens. Drummond is a beast and Williams hasn't played against guys that big and strong yet in the league. And who expects late round rookies to be very impressive every game? Good learning experience. Williams will have a bunch more great, good and bad games if he keeps getting minutes. It's to be expected.

Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: hwangjini_1 on December 15, 2018, 11:14:25 PM
Williams was terrible in his time in the first half against Drummond. He just got out muscled. Tonight, Williams looked every bit a raw rookie.

But it happens. Drummond is a beast and Williams hasn't played against guys that big and strong yet in the league. And who expects late round rookies to be very impressive every game? Good learning experience. Williams will have a bunch more great, good and bad games if he keeps getting minutes. It's to be expected.
But, but, but.... he’s the TIMELORD.    ;D
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: gouki88 on December 15, 2018, 11:49:25 PM
Williams was terrible in his time in the first half against Drummond. He just got out muscled. Tonight, Williams looked every bit a raw rookie.

But it happens. Drummond is a beast and Williams hasn't played against guys that big and strong yet in the league. And who expects late round rookies to be very impressive every game? Good learning experience. Williams will have a bunch more great, good and bad games if he keeps getting minutes. It's to be expected.
Drummond just murders every single Celtic big it seems
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Big333223 on December 16, 2018, 10:49:27 AM
Williams was terrible in his time in the first half against Drummond. He just got out muscled. Tonight, Williams looked every bit a raw rookie.

But it happens. Drummond is a beast and Williams hasn't played against guys that big and strong yet in the league. And who expects late round rookies to be very impressive every game? Good learning experience. Williams will have a bunch more great, good and bad games if he keeps getting minutes. It's to be expected.
Drummond just murders every single Celtic big it seems

In all the Time Lord hoopla, I haven't heard anyone mention that Williams is going to have to put on some weight. It's not something I'm worried about because he's still young but it is something to keep an eye on.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: rollie mass on December 24, 2018, 11:40:43 AM
In the short time he has got he already alters a lot of shots.Those nasty blocks just get the crowd wowed but he covers so much ground to the perimeter.He is lucky to be with this group and getting played short minutes where he can be disruptive.He is learning how to be a pro just watching, just traveling just being a good teammate.
The scouting reports now red line his quick jump ,ability to block shots on perimeter and goes above the box.And his ability laterally.
Imagine playing for a bottom team and just thrown out there as a rookie -no wonder so few turn out.
He would block shots, get exposed, get hurt and be shipped to G League
.The lessons being taught by Kyrie,Horford and the Marcus's are priceless--there are so few like Tatum or Donic.



Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: hwangjini_1 on December 24, 2018, 11:47:17 AM
In the short time he has got he already alters a lot of shots.Those nasty blocks just get the crowd wowed but he covers so much ground to the perimeter.He is lucky to be with this group and getting played short minutes where he can be disruptive.He is learning how to be a pro just watching, just traveling just being a good teammate.
Imagine playing for a bottom team and just thrown out there as a rookie -no wonder so few turn out.
He would block shots, get exposed, get hurt and be sipped to G League
.The lessons being taught by Kyrie,Horford and the Marcus's are priceless--there are so few like Tatum or Donic.
good points rollie.

i focused on williams a lot when watching the last game. he seems to be a bit better at team defense. he is learning more about switching, staying with his guy, and positioning.

one time, instead of running over to block a shot, he stayed with his man on defense. that was a good sign in my opinion.

it will take a while for him to have all this be second nature, but baby steps.  ;D
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: tazzmaniac on December 24, 2018, 12:30:53 PM
In the short time he has got he already alters a lot of shots.Those nasty blocks just get the crowd wowed but he covers so much ground to the perimeter.He is lucky to be with this group and getting played short minutes where he can be disruptive.He is learning how to be a pro just watching, just traveling just being a good teammate.
Imagine playing for a bottom team and just thrown out there as a rookie -no wonder so few turn out.
He would block shots, get exposed, get hurt and be sipped to G League
.The lessons being taught by Kyrie,Horford and the Marcus's are priceless--there are so few like Tatum or Donic.
Having good mentors is important but playing time is more important to player development.  Teams just don't practice much during the regular season and the G league certainly isn't a good development environment. 
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: ederson on December 24, 2018, 01:28:25 PM
Having good mentors is important but playing time is more important to player development.  Teams just don't practice much during the regular season and the G league certainly isn't a good development environment.

You need both equally.... Parker and wiggins without anyone helping them failed to meet their potential. We are taking about kids who need mentors. Not only on how to move of defence but how to be highly paied pros.

But at the same time they need to play significant meaningfull time not only because they get experiences but also confidence

Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: footey on December 24, 2018, 02:19:58 PM
He looked unprepared to play last night. His worst performance thus far. Seems like Stevens coaching him not to go for blocks makes him more tentative, less aggressive, less intuitive.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: hwangjini_1 on December 24, 2018, 04:24:32 PM
He looked unprepared to play last night. His worst performance thus far. Seems like Stevens coaching him not to go for blocks makes him more tentative, less aggressive, less intuitive.
considering his intuition has led him to be consistently out of position, this may be a good learning experience for him. he needs to improve his team defense.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: rondofan1255 on December 24, 2018, 07:02:43 PM
how many times did scal refer to rw as timelord last night? I counted two times without watching the entire game

keep it up scal
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on December 24, 2018, 07:07:24 PM
Merry Christmas, Bob.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Big333223 on December 25, 2018, 12:13:02 PM
He looked unprepared to play last night. His worst performance thus far. Seems like Stevens coaching him not to go for blocks makes him more tentative, less aggressive, less intuitive.
considering his intuition has led him to be consistently out of position, this may be a good learning experience for him. he needs to improve his team defense.

Yep. He's a highlight reel and he's got all the tools to be more than that but it'll take some time. Having Horford around will be great.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: rondofan1255 on December 25, 2018, 01:34:17 PM
Merry Christmas, Bob.

Merry xmas time lord
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: playdream on December 25, 2018, 02:43:29 PM
He looked unprepared to play last night. His worst performance thus far. Seems like Stevens coaching him not to go for blocks makes him more tentative, less aggressive, less intuitive.
considering his intuition has led him to be consistently out of position, this may be a good learning experience for him. he needs to improve his team defense.
What game are you watching? he is almost always in position, one of our best team defender already
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: playdream on December 25, 2018, 02:48:45 PM
Williams was terrible in his time in the first half against Drummond. He just got out muscled. Tonight, Williams looked every bit a raw rookie.

But it happens. Drummond is a beast and Williams hasn't played against guys that big and strong yet in the league. And who expects late round rookies to be very impressive every game? Good learning experience. Williams will have a bunch more great, good and bad games if he keeps getting minutes. It's to be expected.
It's funny to expect a rookie to outmuscles Drummond that all i need to say
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: playdream on December 25, 2018, 02:53:12 PM
He looked unprepared to play last night. His worst performance thus far. Seems like Stevens coaching him not to go for blocks makes him more tentative, less aggressive, less intuitive.
Yeah just shows how coach-able he is, definitely followed the order
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: rondofan1255 on December 25, 2018, 03:46:01 PM
untouchable
untradeable?

Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: nickagneta on December 25, 2018, 04:43:08 PM
He looked unprepared to play last night. His worst performance thus far. Seems like Stevens coaching him not to go for blocks makes him more tentative, less aggressive, less intuitive.
considering his intuition has led him to be consistently out of position, this may be a good learning experience for him. he needs to improve his team defense.
What game are you watching? he is almost always in position, one of our best team defender already
Ummm...you might be watching something many others, including Mike and Scal and Coach Stevens, aren't seeing because many, many posters have seen Williams is a good one on one defender but not good at team defense. Mike and Scal have mentioned it during broadcasts. And if Coach Stevens agreed with you that Williams is one of the team's best team defenders, Williams would have played more than garbage minutes against Charlotte.

Williams team defense is okay but he needs a ton of work on it to be a better team defender than Horford, Baynes or Theis.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Celtics4ever on December 25, 2018, 05:08:20 PM
He is a rookie, so I expect him to get better, he is already way better than the reports that caused him to drop in the draft.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: rondofan1255 on December 27, 2018, 03:16:25 PM
DNP on Xmas day

Update: announced as Out (sore left leg) for HOU game
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: rondofan1255 on December 28, 2018, 06:40:25 PM
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And now @MookMorris2 weighs in on @rob_williamsIII's nickname:

"I like Timelord. Lob Williams kind of restricts him from all the other things that he does. He's hell of a defensive player. I am a big fan of Timelord."

We know @danielrainge doesn't like it, but...

@MookMorris2: "I mean, Danny doesn't like a lot of stuff. That doesn't mean you gotta change it."

https://twitter.com/timi_093/status/1078771469730148353?s=21
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Neurotic Guy on December 28, 2018, 07:13:41 PM
He is a rookie, so I expect him to get better, he is already way better than the reports that caused him to drop in the draft.

I like that I've seen some heads-up play when he's been out there.  Not that there haven't been many bonehead mistakes.  But, he makes extra passes, he goes up strong at the right times, he blocks with patience, he doesn't foul nearly as much as I'd expect, he goes up hard for rebounds and often positions well.   And his shot doesn't look bad at all. 

Also, if you can go by body language, he seems engaged, seems to be an invested team member, and appears to be working.  He also doesn't showboat at all, even after dunks and blocks.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Bobshot on January 02, 2019, 11:10:45 PM
I can't imagine Red telling Bill Russell not to go for blocks. Having seen Russell from his first game as a rookie, I can assure you that was far from the case.

I don't know what Stevens thinks about Williams' play, but I do know the Celtics are weak in the paint against big men, middle men and small men. And planting that kid in there protecting the rim isn't very complicated.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: nickagneta on January 02, 2019, 11:17:09 PM
I can't imagine Red telling Bill Russell not to go for blocks. Having seen Russell from his first game as a rookie, I can assure you that was far from the case.

I don't know what Stevens thinks about Williams' play, but I do know the Celtics are weak in the paint against big men, middle men and small men. And planting that kid in there protecting the rim isn't very complicated.
Game has changed in a huge way since Russell played. In the 1950's and 1960's going after every shot to block it was good basketball. In today's game with so many more ridiculously athletic and skilled players and the advent of team defenses rather than just man to man defense, going for every block isn't smart basketball.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: tazzmaniac on January 02, 2019, 11:55:20 PM
I can't imagine Red telling Bill Russell not to go for blocks. Having seen Russell from his first game as a rookie, I can assure you that was far from the case.

I don't know what Stevens thinks about Williams' play, but I do know the Celtics are weak in the paint against big men, middle men and small men. And planting that kid in there protecting the rim isn't very complicated.
Game has changed in a huge way since Russell played. In the 1950's and 1960's going after every shot to block it was good basketball. In today's game with so many more ridiculously athletic and skilled players and the advent of team defenses rather than just man to man defense, going for every block isn't smart basketball.
Going for every block isn't good basketball but going for enough blocks to intimidate the opponents from driving the lane is. 
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: nickagneta on January 03, 2019, 12:22:56 AM
I can't imagine Red telling Bill Russell not to go for blocks. Having seen Russell from his first game as a rookie, I can assure you that was far from the case.

I don't know what Stevens thinks about Williams' play, but I do know the Celtics are weak in the paint against big men, middle men and small men. And planting that kid in there protecting the rim isn't very complicated.
Game has changed in a huge way since Russell played. In the 1950's and 1960's going after every shot to block it was good basketball. In today's game with so many more ridiculously athletic and skilled players and the advent of team defenses rather than just man to man defense, going for every block isn't smart basketball.
Going for every block isn't good basketball but going for enough blocks to intimidate the opponents from driving the lane is.
Going for blocks and making them is good basketball. Going for blocks at the expense of team defense and giving up easy layups because of it is bad basketball. There is no such thing as trying to swat away at "enough" shots to intimidate teams no matter the result of the attempt. If you just jump and try to block everything, that can be game planned for. And because of that, those type of players will never play for Stevens.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: rondofan1255 on January 03, 2019, 04:14:05 PM
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Stevens says Robert Williams (groin) is making good progress and should be back “shortly.”

Twitter link (https://twitter.com/adamhimmelsbach/status/1080604268640522246?s=21)
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: nickagneta on January 03, 2019, 04:24:28 PM
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Stevens says Robert Williams (groin) is making good progress and should be back “shortly.”

Twitter link (https://twitter.com/adamhimmelsbach/status/1080604268640522246?s=21)
Good news. The team can use another big right now
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: rollie mass on January 04, 2019, 08:29:14 AM
Joel Embid and Simmons  sat out  2 years for Embid and one year for Simmons
.I think bringing Robert along slowly while having him along on trips and maybe sending him for a run in Maine when we are home.Pick and choose his spots and teams to increase his time against some teams.All the while shooting with coaches and hitting the weight room .Why rush a kid with that leaping ability till he is comfortable and strong enough to not damage himself.Question?Does he still have his personal coach?

Bring Kevin McHale in for some private workouts give it some press
Emphasize the grooming and teaching vs throwing a young big into the fire against grown men asking too much of their bodies.Feature benefits of learning to be a NBA player,the work ethic and the teaching.Rather than minutes.
Kevin McHale was unstoppable.Keven Garnet or even Dave Cowens  could have a place in this promotion.
The Celts are desperate for a center,post Horford. So lets make one.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: footey on January 04, 2019, 09:15:33 AM
I disagree Rollie. Embiid and Simmons sat out due to serious injury, not because they couldn’t contribute early. I’m sure they both would have had great first year rookie seasons had they not been injured.

This team desperately needs the inside athleticism and length of Williams. Yes he is raw and may cost us a few games in the process. But the fastest learning curve is NBA minutes.

Our regular season placement in the standings is unlikely to improve dramatically so, in the words of Kawhi Leonard, let’s treat the regular season as training camp for the playoffs, during which our team unit can develop chemistry. And have Time Lord ready to serve meaningfully post season. Because without that added weapon of interior length, I’m skeptical this team can do much in the playoffs.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Surferdad on January 04, 2019, 11:39:20 AM
I disagree Rollie. Embiid and Simmons sat out due to serious injury, not because they couldn’t contribute early. I’m sure they both would have had great first year rookie seasons had they not been injured.

This team desperately needs the inside athleticism and length of Williams. Yes he is raw and may cost us a few games in the process. But the fastest learning curve is NBA minutes.

Our regular season placement in the standings is unlikely to improve dramatically so, in the words of Kawhi Leonard, let’s treat the regular season as training camp for the playoffs, during which our team unit can develop chemistry. And have Time Lord ready to serve meaningfully post season. Because without that added weapon of interior length, I’m skeptical this team can do much in the playoffs.
Agreed on almost everything here, but I only differ on the prospect that Williams can be a meaningful contributor in the playoffs this post-season.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: nickagneta on January 04, 2019, 01:07:06 PM
I disagree Rollie. Embiid and Simmons sat out due to serious injury, not because they couldn’t contribute early. I’m sure they both would have had great first year rookie seasons had they not been injured.

This team desperately needs the inside athleticism and length of Williams. Yes he is raw and may cost us a few games in the process. But the fastest learning curve is NBA minutes.

Our regular season placement in the standings is unlikely to improve dramatically so, in the words of Kawhi Leonard, let’s treat the regular season as training camp for the playoffs, during which our team unit can develop chemistry. And have Time Lord ready to serve meaningfully post season. Because without that added weapon of interior length, I’m skeptical this team can do much in the playoffs.
Agreed on almost everything here, but I only differ on the prospect that Williams can be a meaningful contributor in the playoffs this post-season.
I agree. Williams won't be a consistent enough player to be a meaningful playoff contributor. But maybe he gets used like Doc used Big Baby in the 2008 Finals run. 

Basically stick him in there and if in two minutes he isn't contributing, sit him and try the next game. But if he is contributing, leave him in there. Doc got a lot of good basketball out of youngsters Powe and Davis by doing that in that 2008 title run.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: rondofan1255 on January 04, 2019, 03:13:59 PM
Towel waver for the Playoffs!
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: rollie mass on January 05, 2019, 04:58:10 AM
Obviously, Embid and Simmons sat out injured but that doesn't change the being around the team and
 adjusting to NBA lifestyle-i read Simmons watched lots of film and would call the bench while games were being played to ask questions.He also spent a year in gym.I watched Embid just shooting in individual workouts for what seemed forever.

The point  was big young guys pushing their bodies too soon against grown men thus leading to injuries.
Being comfortable with offensive and defensive sets takes time,lots of film and watching from bench
If you noticed, i stated he would get game time depending on match ups and only go to Maine to get a run and then straight back.
The Suns are not doing well throwing bigs out there as young rookies.Bender,Chriss

Aron Gordon,Julius Randle ,Nerlens Noel Embid,Simmons,Fultz,Okafor,Marcus Smart,Jabari Parker,Exum, Winslow,Rondae Hollis Jefferson,Larry Nance, Vonleh, Jonathon Issac -all of these guys had major injuries rookie year
Williams already had pre season knee injury.

Simmons came on like a vet his rookie season because he in essence was .If he had just summer league and pre season being slender with no outside shot ,poor free throw ,no experience playing defense against NBA players and Embid was still really raw as a real rookie.

I am possibly way off base and prejudiced by the number of star rookies going down with serious injuries in first year.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: rondofan1255 on January 07, 2019, 07:16:55 PM
time lord's back guys
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: SHAQATTACK on January 07, 2019, 07:31:51 PM
time lord's back guys


i was having Time Lord withdrawals  :D
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: liam on January 07, 2019, 07:32:27 PM
time lord's back guys

WWWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOO!
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: JBcat on January 07, 2019, 07:40:50 PM
time lord's back guys

Maybe he just came back from the future.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: rondofan1255 on January 08, 2019, 01:06:00 AM
time lord's back guys


i was having Time Lord withdrawals  :D

4 mins, all cured
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: rondofan1255 on January 09, 2019, 09:23:31 PM
garbage time special
blocks
dunks
lane violation?
offensive interference
a lame T

Scal kept saying Time Lord  :D
let's keep it going
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: SHAQATTACK on January 09, 2019, 09:28:34 PM
time lord's back guys


i was having Time Lord withdrawals  :D

4 mins, all cured

i feel better  ;D
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: gouki88 on January 09, 2019, 09:29:14 PM
garbage time special
blocks
dunks
lane violation?
offensive interference
a lame T

Scal kept saying Time Lord  :D
let's keep it going
Stuffing the stat sheet like never before. Rodman-esque list of offences!
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: nickagneta on January 09, 2019, 09:34:53 PM
That T for hanging on the rim was pure rubbish.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: rondofan1255 on January 10, 2019, 09:23:05 PM
From the GT:

https://twitter.com/SeanGrandePBP/status/1083545484092993537

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Robert Williams tonight...

On court: 7:37 Celtics outscore Miami 26-11
Off court: 33:41 Celtics outscored 87-56

A team meeting helped the players. Maybe a coach's meeting would get Brad to take his head out of his arse and stop being so stubborn.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on January 10, 2019, 09:32:34 PM
Thank you for being you, Bob
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: gouki88 on January 10, 2019, 09:36:40 PM
From the GT:

https://twitter.com/SeanGrandePBP/status/1083545484092993537

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Robert Williams tonight...

On court: 7:37 Celtics outscore Miami 26-11
Off court: 33:41 Celtics outscored 87-56

A team meeting helped the players. Maybe a coach's meeting would get Brad to take his head out of his arse and stop being so stubborn.
Jeesh. Those numbers are pretty telling.

Horford and Theis both looked like they couldn't play NBA level ball if their lives depended on it tonight. Lame
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: smokeablount on January 10, 2019, 09:40:43 PM
Only 2 guys on the entire team had a positive +/- vs Miami:

Morris +3
Williams +15
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: SHAQATTACK on January 10, 2019, 09:50:21 PM
CBS should have pulled Theis earli BEFORE the route started .  Just poor azzzzzzz coaching .  Williams might have made a defense difference and made a few people,change shots .  We were scoring decent , but Heat were getting all the easy paint shots and making threes.   

This game was another Stevens mistake big time.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: rondofan1255 on January 10, 2019, 10:58:24 PM
Next game against Vucevic and Bamba will be fun if Bamba doesn’t miss that game
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: RockinRyA on January 11, 2019, 12:12:03 AM
CBS should have pulled Theis earli BEFORE the route started .  Just poor azzzzzzz coaching .  Williams might have made a defense difference and made a few people,change shots .  We were scoring decent , but Heat were getting all the easy paint shots and making threes.   

This game was another Stevens mistake big time.

In what world were scoring decent?

As Ive posted in another thread, Tatum, Brown, Rozier, Theis, Horford combined for 7-35 shooting or 20%.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: CelticsElite on January 11, 2019, 12:58:26 AM
Anyone else like his energy? Its like the team is sleepwalking and then this guy wakes everyone up with a dunk or block real quick
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: liam on January 11, 2019, 01:26:36 AM
Anyone else like his energy? Its like the team is sleepwalking and then this guy wakes everyone up with a dunk or block real quick


The TIMELORD comes in ready to go!
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: rondofan1255 on January 19, 2019, 02:25:48 PM
Out of the rotation for now
Two DNPs
Need blowouts, tonight’s the night fingers crossed!
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: footey on January 19, 2019, 02:29:00 PM
Out of the rotation for now
Two DNPs
Need blowouts, tonight’s the night fingers crossed!

He’s not suited up since Baynes returned. No roster room.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: rondofan1255 on January 19, 2019, 02:35:46 PM
Out of the rotation for now
Two DNPs
Need blowouts, tonight’s the night fingers crossed!

He’s not suited up since Baynes returned. No roster room.

Good point

With Hayward out one game tonight maybe he won’t be in street clothes
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: nickagneta on January 19, 2019, 03:06:05 PM
Out of the rotation for now
Two DNPs
Need blowouts, tonight’s the night fingers crossed!

He’s not suited up since Baynes returned. No roster room.
I think a lot of Timelord's biggest supporters here forget that Williams is the 14th man in the rotation so as long as everyone is healthy, Williams won't even be made active.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: rondofan1255 on January 19, 2019, 03:08:17 PM
Out of the rotation for now
Two DNPs
Need blowouts, tonight’s the night fingers crossed!

He’s not suited up since Baynes returned. No roster room.
I think a lot of Timelord's biggest supporters here forget that Williams is the 14th man in the rotation so as long as everyone is healthy, Williams won't even be made active.

I didn't notice he didn't suit up last night, not even on first replay LOL
during the live broadcast I was channel flipping between Tennis Channel and Memphis game
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: LatterDayCelticsfan on January 26, 2019, 11:37:44 AM
Y'all might wanna check this out

https://www.discogs.com/artist/8728-The-Timelords
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: rollie mass on January 27, 2019, 01:35:20 PM
Williams had 16 points on perfect shooting including a foul line jumper and a double double  .And only one block as he helped Maine erase a 26 point deficit .
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: LarBrd33 on January 27, 2019, 01:46:56 PM
Y'all might wanna check this out

https://www.discogs.com/artist/8728-The-Timelords
Doctor Who has been a cultural phenomenon since the 1960s.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Bobshot on January 28, 2019, 02:30:24 PM
Ainge recalled Robert Williams after the Warriors loss.

It was clear they had no answer for Cousins on the boards.
Also, they let a critical foul miss of Green bounce right back to Green near the end which cost them the game. Nobody big under the boards to make sure that didn't happen--or a guard to block the key. That's coaching.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on January 28, 2019, 02:36:10 PM
Ainge recalled Robert Williams after the Warriors loss.

It was clear they had no answer for Cousins on the boards.
Also, they let a critical foul miss of Green bounce right back to Green near the end which cost them the game. Nobody big under the boards to make sure that didn't happen--or a guard to block the key. That's coaching.

I'm sure Robert Williams being recalled had nothing to do with the Warriors game. Its part of the gameplan -- the same gameplan used with Rozier and Yabu -- to keep them with the team as much as possible while also getting them reps in the g-league.

Also, Cousins had no answer for Horford and Kyrie pick-and-rolls. He was more of a minus in that game than a plus.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: MattyIce on January 28, 2019, 02:36:39 PM
Ainge recalled Robert Williams after the Warriors loss.

It was clear they had no answer for Cousins on the boards.
Also, they let a critical foul miss of Green bounce right back to Green near the end which cost them the game. Nobody big under the boards to make sure that didn't happen--or a guard to block the key. That's coaching.

although I'm sure Robert would have helped, and I'm glad he's been recalled...That was Smart's rebound to get, and box out the shooter.  He gets them even when he has no business getting them...he's my favorite player...but that was on him that one time...it just happened to be a huge "one time"
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Emmette Bryant on January 30, 2019, 11:14:04 AM
Highlights from the Red Claws game

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H63pYX-kK1c&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: rondofan1255 on February 01, 2019, 05:18:12 PM
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SELLOUT WARNING: @celtics rookie @rob_williamsIII is BACK with the Red Claws! See him TONIGHT at the Expo

Maine Red Claws - Twitter (https://twitter.com/maineredclaws/status/1091335363103096832)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DySFbLKXcAAnojt.jpg)

Title: Another double double for Williams
Post by: rollie mass on February 02, 2019, 09:03:33 AM
!2 points with 14 rebounds and four blocks-
He taking baby steps with his offensive game  went 6-12 but started shooting outside from beginning of game.Scored 8 points in first quarter
Title: Re: Another double double for Williams
Post by: footey on February 02, 2019, 09:40:11 AM
Thx Rollie. Did you watch game?
Title: Re: Another double double for Williams
Post by: Alleyoopster on February 02, 2019, 09:42:37 AM
!2 points with 14 rebounds and four blocks-
He taking baby steps with his offensive game  went 6-12 but started shooting outside from beginning of game.Scored 8 points in first quarter

Who are we talking about? 
Title: Re: Another double double for Williams
Post by: footey on February 02, 2019, 09:45:45 AM
!2 points with 14 rebounds and four blocks-
He taking baby steps with his offensive game  went 6-12 but started shooting outside from beginning of game.Scored 8 points in first quarter

Who are we talking about?

Time Lord G League
Title: Re: Another double double for Williams
Post by: hwangjini_1 on February 02, 2019, 09:46:57 AM
robert williams, aka timelord, is down on the farm in maine playing for the fighting crustecians. in his last game he has 12 points and 14 rebounds. and rollie says he made some shots a bit further from the basket.

it is just an update on our favorite celtic rookie.  ;D

i think this is the game rollie is referencing above.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5UA9jr7oZ8
Title: Re: Another double double for Williams
Post by: ederson on February 02, 2019, 10:54:08 AM
We all know how meaningfull d league stats are
Title: Re: Another double double for Williams
Post by: rollie mass on February 02, 2019, 11:30:03 AM
Then why the snarky comment--the fact that Williams is shooting and hitting a corner shot and a mid range minutes into the game shows mindset and is a departure from just dunks
.Also made some nice passes showing his court awareness.
Title: Re: Another double double for Williams
Post by: Monkhouse on February 02, 2019, 11:33:21 AM
Then why the snarky comment--the fact that Williams is shooting and hitting a corner shot and a mid range minutes into the game shows mindset and is a departure from just dunks
.Also made some nice passes showing his court awareness.

I actually see similarities with Horford and Williams. Not the defensive specialty, but Williams starting out as a mid range shooter within 1-2 years, and following a similar trajectory basis.

Great underrated passer, starting mid range shots, and eventually going back to the 3 pt line within 4-5 years. As long as he stays a Celtic... (Ainge KEEP HIM!)
Title: Re: Another double double for Williams
Post by: moiso on February 02, 2019, 12:03:48 PM
Glad Williams showed mindset.
Title: Re: Another double double for Williams
Post by: kraidstar on February 02, 2019, 12:22:19 PM
Last Saturday I saw him get 16 and 12 against the Memphis Hustle.

He was a bit lethargic in the first half, and the Claws were awful, down 26 midway through the third.

I was screaming down at the court that he needed to start dominating, and whadda you know, he did!  ;D He grabbed just about every rebound in the fourth quarter and really controlled the paint and altered a lot of shots. He made the other team look silly.

The Claws went ahead in the last minute and won by one point. Awesome game, best comeback I've ever seen live.

He also did make at least two medium/long jumpers, and looked reasonably smooth doing so.
Title: Re: Another double double for Williams
Post by: C3LTSF4N on February 02, 2019, 12:33:25 PM
He looks very in control and decisive with his passes.  Then the obvious bouncy athleticism.  I cannot wait for this guy to get minutes and honestly would rather them go to him over Theis. 
Title: Re: Another double double for Williams
Post by: Alleyoopster on February 02, 2019, 12:39:50 PM
Thanks for the info....

Williams has good form on his foul shots and jump shots. Leads me to believe he might end up developing into a decent outside shooter.

On another topic:

Haven't yet seen any posts lamenting;

"Danny should have drafted player X instead of Williams."

Any front runner players in that regard?

Personally, I wanted Danny to draft the shooter Dzanan Musa. He's been injured much of the year and has not done much at the NBA level. (Although, didn't he have a big game against the Celtics earlier in the season? Or, am I thinking of someone else?) He is starring in the G-League. https://gleague.nba.com/player/dzanan-musa/

The other player I wished Danny had drafted was Mitchell Robinson. Anyone think Williams may turn out to be the better player. Comparisons? Williams seems a lot stronger...

In retrospect, I haven't followed NBA basketball like I have in the past. Thus, I can't make a good judgement about other players. From what I've seen, I believe William's been a pretty solid pick. Anyone else feel the same way? Or, were there better selections available from you've witnessed?
Title: Re: Another double double for Williams
Post by: C3LTSF4N on February 02, 2019, 12:52:20 PM
Just looking through the draft results and the only players worth noting that I see would be Omari Spellman, Ellie Okobo, Jalen Brunson, Mitchell Robinson and Rodions Kurucs.  I like our Williams pick.
Title: Re: Another double double for Williams
Post by: Alleyoopster on February 02, 2019, 01:00:32 PM
Just looking through the draft results and the only players worth noting that I see would be Omari Spellman, Ellie Okobo, Jalen Brunson, Mitchell Robinson and Rodions Kurucs.  I like our Williams pick.

Kurucs is who I meant....not Musa
Title: Re: Another double double for Williams
Post by: CelticsElite on February 02, 2019, 01:04:17 PM
The pelicans are gonna love him
Title: Re: Another double double for Williams
Post by: C3LTSF4N on February 02, 2019, 01:07:47 PM
The pelicans are gonna love him

Yeah they are
Title: Re: Another double double for Williams
Post by: Alleyoopster on February 02, 2019, 01:17:09 PM
The pelicans are gonna love him

Who are we referring to? 
Title: Re: Another double double for Williams
Post by: tstorey_97 on February 02, 2019, 01:18:39 PM
What Robert Williams has is a built in blocking machine.

It is composed of two elements.

At 6'9" 237 lbs he's got legit HOPS. Watch him time his jumps....

Next is a 7 foot 6 inch wingspan....add an engine and he could fly anywhere.

He's athletic, he can bounce around, he's not a concrete footed big.

With the Celtics, he doesn't need to score, just needs to learn his trade...swat

Dozier, is 21+/7/7 in 30 games...wow

Thanks for update, Rollie!
Title: Re: Another double double for Williams
Post by: Alleyoopster on February 02, 2019, 04:18:17 PM
The pelicans are gonna love him

Who are we referring to?

Davis isn't coming here....don't even know why his name keeps coming up on this site. He's a crybaby and wants to go to LA....let him go.
Title: Re: Another double double for Williams
Post by: C3LTSF4N on February 02, 2019, 04:25:26 PM
The pelicans are gonna love him

Who are we referring to?

Davis isn't coming here....don't even know why his name keeps coming up on this site. He's a crybaby and wants to go to LA....let him go.

Probably because he's been Danny's focus and long term plan for years.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: rondofan1255 on April 10, 2019, 12:47:32 PM
Started and fouled out last night.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: tonydelk on April 10, 2019, 12:58:59 PM
Williams does not have a high motor.  You can tell he loves blocking shots but he's not active on the glass.  If a shot goes up and he's not in position he doesn't fight for position.  It comes across as lazy.  Good rebounders fight for position and are always moving towards the basket when a shot goes up.  they don't watch the ball and see if it comes to them they go for the ball.  Williams either doesn't have this instinct or he does not have a high motor.  Good awareness on the defensive end just not a good rebounder IMO.  He rolls to the hoop well but just isn't active on the glass.  Very concerning to me.  You can't teach motivation.  He needs to pick up his effort.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: jambr380 on April 10, 2019, 01:21:12 PM
Williams does not have a high motor.  You can tell he loves blocking shots but he's not active on the glass.  If a shot goes up and he's not in position he doesn't fight for position.  It comes across as lazy.  Good rebounders fight for position and are always moving towards the basket when a shot goes up.  they don't watch the ball and see if it comes to them they go for the ball.  Williams either doesn't have this instinct or he does not have a high motor.  Good awareness on the defensive end just not a good rebounder IMO.  He rolls to the hoop well but just isn't active on the glass.  Very concerning to me.  You can't teach motivation.  He needs to pick up his effort.

Maybe, but he also might be struggling with the learning curve of the NBA. If Brad said, just go out there and rebound and block shots, he would probably look to have a little more energy. Currently, he appears to be thinking about making the right decision on rotations and where to be - both offensively and defensively. This can come across as lazy since he isn't all over the court.

I would say Jaylen Brown struggled a little bit with that early in his career, but is now much more decisive in his movements. I don't know that Williams will be the next big thing, but I am willing to give him a little more time.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on April 10, 2019, 06:04:28 PM
Williams does not have a high motor.  You can tell he loves blocking shots but he's not active on the glass.  If a shot goes up and he's not in position he doesn't fight for position.  It comes across as lazy.  Good rebounders fight for position and are always moving towards the basket when a shot goes up.  they don't watch the ball and see if it comes to them they go for the ball.  Williams either doesn't have this instinct or he does not have a high motor.  Good awareness on the defensive end just not a good rebounder IMO.  He rolls to the hoop well but just isn't active on the glass.  Very concerning to me.  You can't teach motivation.  He needs to pick up his effort.

His 10 rebounds per 36 minutes would disagree with you.

And if you say that its too small of sample size, I would say that it is also too small of a sample size to say anything about his game.

Inconsistent minutes against bench opponents in blowout games is not a way to figure out if someone has talent.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Eddie20 on April 10, 2019, 06:09:04 PM
Williams does not have a high motor.  You can tell he loves blocking shots but he's not active on the glass.  If a shot goes up and he's not in position he doesn't fight for position.  It comes across as lazy.  Good rebounders fight for position and are always moving towards the basket when a shot goes up.  they don't watch the ball and see if it comes to them they go for the ball.  Williams either doesn't have this instinct or he does not have a high motor.  Good awareness on the defensive end just not a good rebounder IMO.  He rolls to the hoop well but just isn't active on the glass.  Very concerning to me.  You can't teach motivation.  He needs to pick up his effort.

His 10 rebounds per 36 minutes would disagree with you.

Is that really good, though? Notoriously poor rebounders Okynyk and Tyler Zeller have career per 36 rebound averages of 8 and 9.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: nickagneta on April 10, 2019, 06:55:09 PM
Williams does not have a high motor.  You can tell he loves blocking shots but he's not active on the glass.  If a shot goes up and he's not in position he doesn't fight for position.  It comes across as lazy.  Good rebounders fight for position and are always moving towards the basket when a shot goes up.  they don't watch the ball and see if it comes to them they go for the ball.  Williams either doesn't have this instinct or he does not have a high motor.  Good awareness on the defensive end just not a good rebounder IMO.  He rolls to the hoop well but just isn't active on the glass.  Very concerning to me.  You can't teach motivation.  He needs to pick up his effort.

His 10 rebounds per 36 minutes would disagree with you.

Is that really good, though? Notoriously poor rebounders Okynyk and Tyler Zeller have career per 36 rebound averages of 8 and 9.
Took a look at his Reb% numbers and a very similar comparison is someone like a Willie Cauley-Stein or Serge Ibaka type rebounder. Good but not great.

But it's a ridiculously small sample size that you really can't draw anything from.
 
Eye test says he doesn't have a good ability to read where the ball might miss based on the shot and move to that area. The great rebounders do this naturally. He doesn't block out very often, relying on his shear athleticism to rebound rather than using good rebounding technique, but that is pretty common nowadays.

I just think, in general, Williams has looked lost this year. Even in his playing time yesterday, it's pretty clear he just does not get a lot both offensively and defensively. The offense goes very simple when he is in the game.

But, if he works like crazy, gets better with his system knowledge and can develop some offense the team can implement besides a p&r alley oops, I think he has great potential.

I need to see good progress next year. I kind of expected what he gave the team this year. It was pretty obvious he didn't develop or learn a thing his second year in school. You could see how raw he was.

But he does just drip potential. As I said, I want to see progress next year. I hope he can earn minutes next year similar to what Theis has given the team the last couple years. I think we will know a lot more about Timelord a year from now.

Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Eddie20 on April 10, 2019, 07:08:02 PM
Williams does not have a high motor.  You can tell he loves blocking shots but he's not active on the glass.  If a shot goes up and he's not in position he doesn't fight for position.  It comes across as lazy.  Good rebounders fight for position and are always moving towards the basket when a shot goes up.  they don't watch the ball and see if it comes to them they go for the ball.  Williams either doesn't have this instinct or he does not have a high motor.  Good awareness on the defensive end just not a good rebounder IMO.  He rolls to the hoop well but just isn't active on the glass.  Very concerning to me.  You can't teach motivation.  He needs to pick up his effort.

His 10 rebounds per 36 minutes would disagree with you.

Is that really good, though? Notoriously poor rebounders Okynyk and Tyler Zeller have career per 36 rebound averages of 8 and 9.
Took a look at his Reb% numbers and a very similar comparison is someone like a Willie Cauley-Stein or Serge Ibaka type rebounder. Good but not great.

But it's a ridiculously small sample size that you really can't draw anything from.
 
Eye test says he doesn't have a good ability to read where the ball might miss based on the shot and move to that area. The great rebounders do this naturally. He doesn't block out very often, relying on his shear athleticism to rebound rather than using good rebounding technique, but that is pretty common nowadays.

I just think, in general, Williams has looked lost this year. Even in his playing time yesterday, it's pretty clear he just does not get a lot both offensively and defensively. The offense goes very simple when he is in the game.

But, if he works like crazy, gets better with his system knowledge and can develop some offense the team can implement besides a p&r alley oops, I think he has great potential.

I need to see good progress next year. I kind of expected what he gave the team this year. It was pretty obvious he didn't develop or learn a thing his second year in school. You could see how raw he was.

But he does just drip potential. As I said, I want to see progress next year. I hope he can earn minutes next year similar to what Theis has given the team the last couple years. I think we will know a lot more about Timelord a year from now.

My concern is the lack of improvement he’s made over the last few years. One of the biggest knocks on him is that he made little to no improvement from his freshman to sophomore season, which raised the questions of work ethic and love for the game. I hoped that I would see an improved Williams over the course of the year; however, I basically see the same guy from the summer. So that’s basically 3 crucial years of player development that has resulted in, at best, marginal strides.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: tstorey_97 on April 10, 2019, 09:36:01 PM
Williams may "just" be about his length and athleticism.

At Texas A&M he was good, but, not a dominant player beyond frequently being the longest on the court in SEC games.

Like the rest of us, I want him to be good and am mad at Stevens for never playing him. In yesterday's game he appeared to "go up" against the opponent on defense, but, I've never seen him offer a great BBIQ play beyond a flash or two.

Just seems to be watching the game trying to learn it.

At Texas A&M also, he really wasn't about taking the initiative on a regular basis.

I think he could be a really good backup center. Just don't really know what that means.

Got to admit his hand eye coordination is very good, he times his blocks really well.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Atzar on April 10, 2019, 10:08:45 PM
I don’t see as much potential in him as everybody else, really.  I think he’s a roleplayer at best.  Lacks the ball skills to be more.  But that’s fine... not everybody has to be a star. 

You can take the skillset he already has and mold it into a rotation-worthy player, provided that he makes significant strides in his understanding of the system.  Good shotblocker, solid rebounder, solid finisher on offense, willing passer.  If he learns to use what he has then he’s a valuable piece, even if he doesn’t really have more than roleplayer upside. 
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: ozgod on April 11, 2019, 03:35:27 AM
I don’t see as much potential in him as everybody else, really.  I think he’s a roleplayer at best.  Lacks the ball skills to be more.  But that’s fine... not everybody has to be a star. 

You can take the skillset he already has and mold it into a rotation-worthy player, provided that he makes significant strides in his understanding of the system.  Good shotblocker, solid rebounder, solid finisher on offense, willing passer.  If he learns to use what he has then he’s a valuable piece, even if he doesn’t really have more than roleplayer upside.

I think his ceiling would be as a Clint Capela type player which, if he gets there, would be a pretty decent career.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: gouki88 on April 11, 2019, 03:40:01 AM
I don’t see as much potential in him as everybody else, really.  I think he’s a roleplayer at best.  Lacks the ball skills to be more.  But that’s fine... not everybody has to be a star. 

You can take the skillset he already has and mold it into a rotation-worthy player, provided that he makes significant strides in his understanding of the system.  Good shotblocker, solid rebounder, solid finisher on offense, willing passer.  If he learns to use what he has then he’s a valuable piece, even if he doesn’t really have more than roleplayer upside.

I think his ceiling would be as a Clint Capela type player which, if he gets there, would be a pretty decent career.
Clint Capela has been a really solid big over the last 2 seasons. 15/12/1.7 with 65% from the field. If RW could average half those scoring & rebounding numbers off the bench with elite ring protection I'd be happy
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Big333223 on April 11, 2019, 12:46:02 PM
I don’t see as much potential in him as everybody else, really.  I think he’s a roleplayer at best.  Lacks the ball skills to be more.  But that’s fine... not everybody has to be a star. 

You can take the skillset he already has and mold it into a rotation-worthy player, provided that he makes significant strides in his understanding of the system.  Good shotblocker, solid rebounder, solid finisher on offense, willing passer.  If he learns to use what he has then he’s a valuable piece, even if he doesn’t really have more than roleplayer upside.

I think his ceiling would be as a Clint Capela type player which, if he gets there, would be a pretty decent career.
Clint Capela has been a really solid big over the last 2 seasons. 15/12/1.7 with 65% from the field. If RW could average half those scoring & rebounding numbers off the bench with elite ring protection I'd be happy

Yeah, Clint Capela is terrific and Timelord turning into Capela would be great. A rim runner who can defend the paint and switch onto guards is a valuable player to have.

As for the rebounding thing, his RB% is a shade below Baynes' (15.3 to 15.6) and they are the two best rebounders in the rotation.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Triplenickle on April 13, 2019, 02:57:56 PM
I don’t see as much potential in him as everybody else, really.  I think he’s a roleplayer at best.  Lacks the ball skills to be more.  But that’s fine... not everybody has to be a star. 

You can take the skillset he already has and mold it into a rotation-worthy player, provided that he makes significant strides in his understanding of the system.  Good shotblocker, solid rebounder, solid finisher on offense, willing passer.  If he learns to use what he has then he’s a valuable piece, even if he doesn’t really have more than roleplayer upside.

I believe he can be a more mobile, athletic, stronger and quicker Tony Battie...and that's saying alot because Battie worked himself into very good center. 

With this team it would be a perfect fit if he got that degree of professionalism. But he's not gonna get there on the bench, that I know. And the worse thing you can do is pull him after a mistake and having him second guess himself all the time...and then play tense and timid, and overthinking. His game is built around reflex...he needs to learn full speed without looking over his shoulder every single play.  Another reason I don't care much for Brad.

And one thing people should keep in mind is, nearly everyone is gonna look incompetent with 10-15 minutes a game because it's not even enough time to warm your body up. Some players can do it yeah...but that shouldn't be a gauge for everyone.

Play some ball sometimes...

And oh...his timing, athletism, instincts and reflexes are already elite. If they can't find a way to utilize that, it's all on the system
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Triplenickle on April 13, 2019, 03:17:57 PM
I don’t see as much potential in him as everybody else, really.  I think he’s a roleplayer at best.  Lacks the ball skills to be more.  But that’s fine... not everybody has to be a star. 

You can take the skillset he already has and mold it into a rotation-worthy player, provided that he makes significant strides in his understanding of the system.  Good shotblocker, solid rebounder, solid finisher on offense, willing passer.  If he learns to use what he has then he’s a valuable piece, even if he doesn’t really have more than roleplayer upside.

I think his ceiling would be as a Clint Capela type player which, if he gets there, would be a pretty decent career.
Clint Capela has been a really solid big over the last 2 seasons. 15/12/1.7 with 65% from the field. If RW could average half those scoring & rebounding numbers off the bench with elite ring protection I'd be happy

I can almost guarantee he would do that on another team...but maybe not 15 points a game.  8-12 points, 8 rebounds and 3-4 blocks easy.

The problem is those things aren't important in Brad's system unless it's a wing going against another wing. Then he thinks it's oh-so-great.

I've always been a wing, but I can tell you right now you can't win without rebounding and defense from bigs.

Don't even know what they're thinking.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: hardlyyardley on April 13, 2019, 03:24:40 PM
Battie was a terrible rebounder
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Triplenickle on April 13, 2019, 03:32:40 PM
Battie was a terrible rebounder

Not really because he was a power foward who HAD to do that job. The fact he did it with other centers on the team says he wasn't that bad.

Plus he grew to be better at it than when he first got here. If they had a decent  center, then they get by Jersey and go to the finals.

Pretty good for a lone terrible rebounder.

And honestly how much better is Horford doing the same thing?  Not much, because he's a power forward too. Horford is not a rebounding machine and I believe Battie had better numbers.

And you don't name someone Batman that stinks :)
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: BitterJim on April 13, 2019, 03:40:14 PM
I don’t see as much potential in him as everybody else, really.  I think he’s a roleplayer at best.  Lacks the ball skills to be more.  But that’s fine... not everybody has to be a star. 

You can take the skillset he already has and mold it into a rotation-worthy player, provided that he makes significant strides in his understanding of the system.  Good shotblocker, solid rebounder, solid finisher on offense, willing passer.  If he learns to use what he has then he’s a valuable piece, even if he doesn’t really have more than roleplayer upside.

I think his ceiling would be as a Clint Capela type player which, if he gets there, would be a pretty decent career.
Clint Capela has been a really solid big over the last 2 seasons. 15/12/1.7 with 65% from the field. If RW could average half those scoring & rebounding numbers off the bench with elite ring protection I'd be happy

I can almost guarantee he would do that on another team...but maybe not 15 points a game.  8-12 points, 8 rebounds and 3-4 blocks easy.

The problem is those things aren't important in Brad's system unless it's a wing going against another wing. Then he thinks it's oh-so-great.

I've always been a wing, but I can tell you right now you can't win without rebounding and defense from bigs.

Don't even know what they're thinking.

The leading shot blocker this year was Myles Turner, with 199 for the season (2.7 per game). You think Robert Williams would "easily" average significantly more than that?

I'd also lean toward Danny/Brad's expertise on what roles you need bigs to play in the modern NBA over yours
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Triplenickle on April 13, 2019, 04:06:54 PM
I don’t see as much potential in him as everybody else, really.  I think he’s a roleplayer at best.  Lacks the ball skills to be more.  But that’s fine... not everybody has to be a star. 

You can take the skillset he already has and mold it into a rotation-worthy player, provided that he makes significant strides in his understanding of the system.  Good shotblocker, solid rebounder, solid finisher on offense, willing passer.  If he learns to use what he has then he’s a valuable piece, even if he doesn’t really have more than roleplayer upside.

I think his ceiling would be as a Clint Capela type player which, if he gets there, would be a pretty decent career.
Clint Capela has been a really solid big over the last 2 seasons. 15/12/1.7 with 65% from the field. If RW could average half those scoring & rebounding numbers off the bench with elite ring protection I'd be happy

I can almost guarantee he would do that on another team...but maybe not 15 points a game.  8-12 points, 8 rebounds and 3-4 blocks easy.

The problem is those things aren't important in Brad's system unless it's a wing going against another wing. Then he thinks it's oh-so-great.

I've always been a wing, but I can tell you right now you can't win without rebounding and defense from bigs.

Don't even know what they're thinking.

The leading shot blocker this year was Myles Turner, with 199 for the season (2.7 per game). You think Robert Williams would "easily" average significantly more than that?

I'd also lean toward Danny/Brad's expertise on what roles you need bigs to play in the modern NBA over yours

On another team sure he would. In what...6 years everyone has seen what Brad gets out of bigs, and in that time his most productive one was a fat guy...because of his OWN skill level at that.

Modern NBA? Come on man...there's nothing great about these teams and Golden state is the only team that stands out.  I don't see them getting by the 90's Knicks, who everyone says couldn't score but was kinda bs, and I hated that team.  The Jazz, Rockets, Spurs, Sonics, Kobe-Shaq Lakers, and even the Mark price-Brad daugherty Cavs I don't see them getting by. Or the Bird coached Pacers.

I'll leave the Bulls, Pistons, Celts, Sixers, and Magic led Lakers out...cause seriously if you argue any of them, I don't want no parts of that  :)
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: hwangjini_1 on April 13, 2019, 04:21:57 PM
I don’t see as much potential in him as everybody else, really.  I think he’s a roleplayer at best.  Lacks the ball skills to be more.  But that’s fine... not everybody has to be a star. 

You can take the skillset he already has and mold it into a rotation-worthy player, provided that he makes significant strides in his understanding of the system.  Good shotblocker, solid rebounder, solid finisher on offense, willing passer.  If he learns to use what he has then he’s a valuable piece, even if he doesn’t really have more than roleplayer upside.

I think his ceiling would be as a Clint Capela type player which, if he gets there, would be a pretty decent career.
Clint Capela has been a really solid big over the last 2 seasons. 15/12/1.7 with 65% from the field. If RW could average half those scoring & rebounding numbers off the bench with elite ring protection I'd be happy

I can almost guarantee he would do that on another team...but maybe not 15 points a game.  8-12 points, 8 rebounds and 3-4 blocks easy.

The problem is those things aren't important in Brad's system unless it's a wing going against another wing. Then he thinks it's oh-so-great.

I've always been a wing, but I can tell you right now you can't win without rebounding and defense from bigs.

Don't even know what they're thinking.
we might also want to consider the possibility that TL just really isnt ready for a lot of prime-time nba minutes. his offense is still very raw. his defense is consistent. he has trouble following the defensive schemes at times.

i just dont think it would help the celtics if he played even 10 to 12 minutes each night. but give him a year or three and i think he might begin to reach the hopes being discussed here.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: hwangjini_1 on April 13, 2019, 04:25:45 PM
I don’t see as much potential in him as everybody else, really.  I think he’s a roleplayer at best.  Lacks the ball skills to be more.  But that’s fine... not everybody has to be a star. 

You can take the skillset he already has and mold it into a rotation-worthy player, provided that he makes significant strides in his understanding of the system.  Good shotblocker, solid rebounder, solid finisher on offense, willing passer.  If he learns to use what he has then he’s a valuable piece, even if he doesn’t really have more than roleplayer upside.

I think his ceiling would be as a Clint Capela type player which, if he gets there, would be a pretty decent career.
Clint Capela has been a really solid big over the last 2 seasons. 15/12/1.7 with 65% from the field. If RW could average half those scoring & rebounding numbers off the bench with elite ring protection I'd be happy

I can almost guarantee he would do that on another team...but maybe not 15 points a game.  8-12 points, 8 rebounds and 3-4 blocks easy.

The problem is those things aren't important in Brad's system unless it's a wing going against another wing. Then he thinks it's oh-so-great.

I've always been a wing, but I can tell you right now you can't win without rebounding and defense from bigs.

Don't even know what they're thinking.

The leading shot blocker this year was Myles Turner, with 199 for the season (2.7 per game). You think Robert Williams would "easily" average significantly more than that?

I'd also lean toward Danny/Brad's expertise on what roles you need bigs to play in the modern NBA over yours

On another team sure he would. In what...6 years everyone has seen what Brad gets out of bigs, and in that time his most productive one was a fat guy...because of his OWN skill level at that.

Modern NBA? Come on man...there's nothing great about these teams and Golden state is the only team that stands out.  I don't see them getting by the 90's Knicks, who everyone says couldn't score but was kinda bs, and I hated that team.  The Jazz, Rockets, Spurs, Sonics, Kobe-Shaq Lakers, and even the Mark price-Brad daugherty Cavs I don't see them getting by. Or the Bird coached Pacers.

I'll leave the Bulls, Pistons, Celts, Sixers, and Magic led Lakers out...cause seriously if you argue any of them, I don't want no parts of that  :)
bitter jim brought up a legitimate point about your "guarantee" that TL would average 3 to 4 blocks a game. that was a very questionable number you put out there. what was your basis for it other than a hope?

your reply ignored his point and simply changed the topic. please address bitterjim's point on the number of blocks so as to continue the conversation in a coherent way.

thanks.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Triplenickle on April 13, 2019, 04:32:42 PM
I don’t see as much potential in him as everybody else, really.  I think he’s a roleplayer at best.  Lacks the ball skills to be more.  But that’s fine... not everybody has to be a star. 

You can take the skillset he already has and mold it into a rotation-worthy player, provided that he makes significant strides in his understanding of the system.  Good shotblocker, solid rebounder, solid finisher on offense, willing passer.  If he learns to use what he has then he’s a valuable piece, even if he doesn’t really have more than roleplayer upside.

I think his ceiling would be as a Clint Capela type player which, if he gets there, would be a pretty decent career.
Clint Capela has been a really solid big over the last 2 seasons. 15/12/1.7 with 65% from the field. If RW could average half those scoring & rebounding numbers off the bench with elite ring protection I'd be happy

I can almost guarantee he would do that on another team...but maybe not 15 points a game.  8-12 points, 8 rebounds and 3-4 blocks easy.

The problem is those things aren't important in Brad's system unless it's a wing going against another wing. Then he thinks it's oh-so-great.

I've always been a wing, but I can tell you right now you can't win without rebounding and defense from bigs.

Don't even know what they're thinking.

The leading shot blocker this year was Myles Turner, with 199 for the season (2.7 per game). You think Robert Williams would "easily" average significantly more than that?

I'd also lean toward Danny/Brad's expertise on what roles you need bigs to play in the modern NBA over yours

On another team sure he would. In what...6 years everyone has seen what Brad gets out of bigs, and in that time his most productive one was a fat guy...because of his OWN skill level at that.

Modern NBA? Come on man...there's nothing great about these teams and Golden state is the only team that stands out.  I don't see them getting by the 90's Knicks, who everyone says couldn't score but was kinda bs, and I hated that team.  The Jazz, Rockets, Spurs, Sonics, Kobe-Shaq Lakers, and even the Mark price-Brad daugherty Cavs I don't see them getting by. Or the Bird coached Pacers.

I'll leave the Bulls, Pistons, Celts, Sixers, and Magic led Lakers out...cause seriously if you argue any of them, I don't want no parts of that  :)
bitter jim brought up a legitimate point about your "guarantee" that TL would average 3 to 4 blocks a game. that was a very questionable number you put out there. what was your basis for it other than a hope?

your reply ignored his point and simply changed the topic. please address bitterjim's point on the number of blocks so as to continue the conversation in a coherent way.

thanks.

Because that's simply how he plays, and his first instinct. The only way he knows how to play. There's no way his numbers don't go up with more playing time.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: BitterJim on April 13, 2019, 04:45:17 PM
I don’t see as much potential in him as everybody else, really.  I think he’s a roleplayer at best.  Lacks the ball skills to be more.  But that’s fine... not everybody has to be a star. 

You can take the skillset he already has and mold it into a rotation-worthy player, provided that he makes significant strides in his understanding of the system.  Good shotblocker, solid rebounder, solid finisher on offense, willing passer.  If he learns to use what he has then he’s a valuable piece, even if he doesn’t really have more than roleplayer upside.

I think his ceiling would be as a Clint Capela type player which, if he gets there, would be a pretty decent career.
Clint Capela has been a really solid big over the last 2 seasons. 15/12/1.7 with 65% from the field. If RW could average half those scoring & rebounding numbers off the bench with elite ring protection I'd be happy

I can almost guarantee he would do that on another team...but maybe not 15 points a game.  8-12 points, 8 rebounds and 3-4 blocks easy.

The problem is those things aren't important in Brad's system unless it's a wing going against another wing. Then he thinks it's oh-so-great.

I've always been a wing, but I can tell you right now you can't win without rebounding and defense from bigs.

Don't even know what they're thinking.

The leading shot blocker this year was Myles Turner, with 199 for the season (2.7 per game). You think Robert Williams would "easily" average significantly more than that?

I'd also lean toward Danny/Brad's expertise on what roles you need bigs to play in the modern NBA over yours

On another team sure he would. In what...6 years everyone has seen what Brad gets out of bigs, and in that time his most productive one was a fat guy...because of his OWN skill level at that.

Modern NBA? Come on man...there's nothing great about these teams and Golden state is the only team that stands out.  I don't see them getting by the 90's Knicks, who everyone says couldn't score but was kinda bs, and I hated that team.  The Jazz, Rockets, Spurs, Sonics, Kobe-Shaq Lakers, and even the Mark price-Brad daugherty Cavs I don't see them getting by. Or the Bird coached Pacers.

I'll leave the Bulls, Pistons, Celts, Sixers, and Magic led Lakers out...cause seriously if you argue any of them, I don't want no parts of that  :)
bitter jim brought up a legitimate point about your "guarantee" that TL would average 3 to 4 blocks a game. that was a very questionable number you put out there. what was your basis for it other than a hope?

your reply ignored his point and simply changed the topic. please address bitterjim's point on the number of blocks so as to continue the conversation in a coherent way.

thanks.

Because that's simply how he plays, and his first instinct. The only way he knows how to play. There's no way his numbers don't go up with more playing time.

What is Myles Turner, chopped liver? Suggesting that ANYONE (never mind a raw rookie like Williams) could "easily" average 3-4 blocks is about as crazy as triboy16f's suggestion a couple months ago that Kyrie should average 15 assists per game
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: BitterJim on April 13, 2019, 04:52:22 PM
For more context on how tough it is to get even 3 blocks per game, since the Celtics won in 2008 there have been only 3 instances of someone averaging 3+ blocks per game (minimum 60 games): Serge Ibaka in 2012 and 2013, and Hassan Whiteside in 2016. Expecting Williams to do that "easily" is just ridiculous
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Triplenickle on April 13, 2019, 04:52:28 PM
I don’t see as much potential in him as everybody else, really.  I think he’s a roleplayer at best.  Lacks the ball skills to be more.  But that’s fine... not everybody has to be a star. 

You can take the skillset he already has and mold it into a rotation-worthy player, provided that he makes significant strides in his understanding of the system.  Good shotblocker, solid rebounder, solid finisher on offense, willing passer.  If he learns to use what he has then he’s a valuable piece, even if he doesn’t really have more than roleplayer upside.

I think his ceiling would be as a Clint Capela type player which, if he gets there, would be a pretty decent career.
Clint Capela has been a really solid big over the last 2 seasons. 15/12/1.7 with 65% from the field. If RW could average half those scoring & rebounding numbers off the bench with elite ring protection I'd be happy

I can almost guarantee he would do that on another team...but maybe not 15 points a game.  8-12 points, 8 rebounds and 3-4 blocks easy.

The problem is those things aren't important in Brad's system unless it's a wing going against another wing. Then he thinks it's oh-so-great.

I've always been a wing, but I can tell you right now you can't win without rebounding and defense from bigs.

Don't even know what they're thinking.

The leading shot blocker this year was Myles Turner, with 199 for the season (2.7 per game). You think Robert Williams would "easily" average significantly more than that?

I'd also lean toward Danny/Brad's expertise on what roles you need bigs to play in the modern NBA over yours

On another team sure he would. In what...6 years everyone has seen what Brad gets out of bigs, and in that time his most productive one was a fat guy...because of his OWN skill level at that.

Modern NBA? Come on man...there's nothing great about these teams and Golden state is the only team that stands out.  I don't see them getting by the 90's Knicks, who everyone says couldn't score but was kinda bs, and I hated that team.  The Jazz, Rockets, Spurs, Sonics, Kobe-Shaq Lakers, and even the Mark price-Brad daugherty Cavs I don't see them getting by. Or the Bird coached Pacers.

I'll leave the Bulls, Pistons, Celts, Sixers, and Magic led Lakers out...cause seriously if you argue any of them, I don't want no parts of that  :)
bitter jim brought up a legitimate point about your "guarantee" that TL would average 3 to 4 blocks a game. that was a very questionable number you put out there. what was your basis for it other than a hope?

your reply ignored his point and simply changed the topic. please address bitterjim's point on the number of blocks so as to continue the conversation in a coherent way.

thanks.

Because that's simply how he plays, and his first instinct. The only way he knows how to play. There's no way his numbers don't go up with more playing time.

What is Myles Turner, chopped liver? Suggesting that ANYONE (never mind a raw rookie like Williams) could "easily" average 3-4 blocks is about as crazy as triboy16f's suggestion a couple months ago that Kyrie should average 15 assists per game

I think Kyrie should average atleast 12, and it's why he gets on my nerves
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: playdream on April 13, 2019, 05:14:41 PM
For more context on how tough it is to get even 3 blocks per game, since the Celtics won in 2008 there have been only 3 instances of someone averaging 3+ blocks per game (minimum 60 games): Serge Ibaka in 2012 and 2013, and Hassan Whiteside in 2016. Expecting Williams to do that "easily" is just ridiculous
I guess you have never seen Williams plays, it will be easy for him to get 3-4 block per game if he want to
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: BitterJim on April 13, 2019, 05:36:33 PM
I don’t see as much potential in him as everybody else, really.  I think he’s a roleplayer at best.  Lacks the ball skills to be more.  But that’s fine... not everybody has to be a star. 

You can take the skillset he already has and mold it into a rotation-worthy player, provided that he makes significant strides in his understanding of the system.  Good shotblocker, solid rebounder, solid finisher on offense, willing passer.  If he learns to use what he has then he’s a valuable piece, even if he doesn’t really have more than roleplayer upside.

I think his ceiling would be as a Clint Capela type player which, if he gets there, would be a pretty decent career.
Clint Capela has been a really solid big over the last 2 seasons. 15/12/1.7 with 65% from the field. If RW could average half those scoring & rebounding numbers off the bench with elite ring protection I'd be happy

I can almost guarantee he would do that on another team...but maybe not 15 points a game.  8-12 points, 8 rebounds and 3-4 blocks easy.

The problem is those things aren't important in Brad's system unless it's a wing going against another wing. Then he thinks it's oh-so-great.

I've always been a wing, but I can tell you right now you can't win without rebounding and defense from bigs.

Don't even know what they're thinking.

The leading shot blocker this year was Myles Turner, with 199 for the season (2.7 per game). You think Robert Williams would "easily" average significantly more than that?

I'd also lean toward Danny/Brad's expertise on what roles you need bigs to play in the modern NBA over yours

On another team sure he would. In what...6 years everyone has seen what Brad gets out of bigs, and in that time his most productive one was a fat guy...because of his OWN skill level at that.

Modern NBA? Come on man...there's nothing great about these teams and Golden state is the only team that stands out.  I don't see them getting by the 90's Knicks, who everyone says couldn't score but was kinda bs, and I hated that team.  The Jazz, Rockets, Spurs, Sonics, Kobe-Shaq Lakers, and even the Mark price-Brad daugherty Cavs I don't see them getting by. Or the Bird coached Pacers.

I'll leave the Bulls, Pistons, Celts, Sixers, and Magic led Lakers out...cause seriously if you argue any of them, I don't want no parts of that  :)
bitter jim brought up a legitimate point about your "guarantee" that TL would average 3 to 4 blocks a game. that was a very questionable number you put out there. what was your basis for it other than a hope?

your reply ignored his point and simply changed the topic. please address bitterjim's point on the number of blocks so as to continue the conversation in a coherent way.

thanks.

Because that's simply how he plays, and his first instinct. The only way he knows how to play. There's no way his numbers don't go up with more playing time.

What is Myles Turner, chopped liver? Suggesting that ANYONE (never mind a raw rookie like Williams) could "easily" average 3-4 blocks is about as crazy as triboy16f's suggestion a couple months ago that Kyrie should average 15 assists per game

I think Kyrie should average atleast 12, and it's why he gets on my nerves

12 assists per game is still a ridiculous expectation (although it has at least been done before, unlike 15 assists per game). The last person to do that was John Stockton 24 years ago (when Kyrie was 3 years old). Even 11 is a bit crazy, with only 6 instances of it in the last 10 years (by pass-heavy guards like Rondo, Nash, and Chris Paul, plus once by James Harden in 2017)

People here tend to greatly underestimate how rare/difficult it actually is to average these lofty numbers for an entire season
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: gouki88 on April 13, 2019, 09:18:15 PM
My lord, some of these takes. If it was so easy to average 12 assists per game do you not think that Westbrook, or Simmons, or Rondo in his prime would’ve done so?

Can anyone who thinks RWill can average 3-4 BPG care to explain why better shot-blockers - who are considerably less foul-prone than Williams - such as AD have never averaged 3+?
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: LarBrd33 on April 13, 2019, 11:33:39 PM
I don’t see as much potential in him as everybody else, really.  I think he’s a roleplayer at best.  Lacks the ball skills to be more.  But that’s fine... not everybody has to be a star. 

You can take the skillset he already has and mold it into a rotation-worthy player, provided that he makes significant strides in his understanding of the system.  Good shotblocker, solid rebounder, solid finisher on offense, willing passer.  If he learns to use what he has then he’s a valuable piece, even if he doesn’t really have more than roleplayer upside.

I think his ceiling would be as a Clint Capela type player which, if he gets there, would be a pretty decent career.
Clint Capela has been a really solid big over the last 2 seasons. 15/12/1.7 with 65% from the field. If RW could average half those scoring & rebounding numbers off the bench with elite ring protection I'd be happy

I can almost guarantee he would do that on another team...but maybe not 15 points a game.  8-12 points, 8 rebounds and 3-4 blocks easy.

The problem is those things aren't important in Brad's system unless it's a wing going against another wing. Then he thinks it's oh-so-great.

I've always been a wing, but I can tell you right now you can't win without rebounding and defense from bigs.

Don't even know what they're thinking.

The leading shot blocker this year was Myles Turner, with 199 for the season (2.7 per game). You think Robert Williams would "easily" average significantly more than that?

I'd also lean toward Danny/Brad's expertise on what roles you need bigs to play in the modern NBA over yours

On another team sure he would. In what...6 years everyone has seen what Brad gets out of bigs, and in that time his most productive one was a fat guy...because of his OWN skill level at that.

Modern NBA? Come on man...there's nothing great about these teams and Golden state is the only team that stands out.  I don't see them getting by the 90's Knicks, who everyone says couldn't score but was kinda bs, and I hated that team.  The Jazz, Rockets, Spurs, Sonics, Kobe-Shaq Lakers, and even the Mark price-Brad daugherty Cavs I don't see them getting by. Or the Bird coached Pacers.

I'll leave the Bulls, Pistons, Celts, Sixers, and Magic led Lakers out...cause seriously if you argue any of them, I don't want no parts of that  :)
bitter jim brought up a legitimate point about your "guarantee" that TL would average 3 to 4 blocks a game. that was a very questionable number you put out there. what was your basis for it other than a hope?

your reply ignored his point and simply changed the topic. please address bitterjim's point on the number of blocks so as to continue the conversation in a coherent way.

thanks.

Because that's simply how he plays, and his first instinct. The only way he knows how to play. There's no way his numbers don't go up with more playing time.

What is Myles Turner, chopped liver? Suggesting that ANYONE (never mind a raw rookie like Williams) could "easily" average 3-4 blocks is about as crazy as triboy16f's suggestion a couple months ago that Kyrie should average 15 assists per game

I think Kyrie should average atleast 12, and it's why he gets on my nerves

12 assists per game is still a ridiculous expectation (although it has at least been done before, unlike 15 assists per game). The last person to do that was John Stockton 24 years ago (when Kyrie was 3 years old). Even 11 is a bit crazy, with only 6 instances of it in the last 10 years (by pass-heavy guards like Rondo, Nash, and Chris Paul, plus once by James Harden in 2017)

People here tend to greatly underestimate how rare/difficult it actually is to average these lofty numbers for an entire season
Why the hell would Kyrie average 11 assists?  He's by far our best offensive player.  You don't want that guy passing.  Steph Curry has 150x more talent on his team and he only averages 5 assists.   Kyrie should actually average less assists and take more shots than he does.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Chris22 on April 14, 2019, 01:32:55 AM
Wilt once blocked 25 shots in one game.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: gouki88 on April 14, 2019, 02:01:18 AM
Wilt once blocked 25 shots in one game.
Wilt is also perhaps the most freakish athlete in sporting history
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: playdream on April 14, 2019, 02:03:11 AM
My lord, some of these takes. If it was so easy to average 12 assists per game do you not think that Westbrook, or Simmons, or Rondo in his prime would’ve done so?

Can anyone who thinks RWill can average 3-4 BPG care to explain why better shot-blockers - who are considerably less foul-prone than Williams - such as AD have never averaged 3+?
You didn't watch games when Williams first meet with AD? hint:one blocks another twice
Williams is clear a better shot blocker the AD
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: gouki88 on April 14, 2019, 03:16:04 AM
My lord, some of these takes. If it was so easy to average 12 assists per game do you not think that Westbrook, or Simmons, or Rondo in his prime would’ve done so?

Can anyone who thinks RWill can average 3-4 BPG care to explain why better shot-blockers - who are considerably less foul-prone than Williams - such as AD have never averaged 3+?
You didn't watch games when Williams first meet with AD? hint:one blocks another twice
Williams is clear a better shot blocker the AD
LOL. Riiiight. The rookie who played 30 odd games is a better shot blocker than the 3 time block champion who has been voted All-Defence 3 times too.

Get your green glasses off. They’ve blinded you
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: ederson on April 14, 2019, 03:56:46 AM
My lord, some of these takes. If it was so easy to average 12 assists per game do you not think that Westbrook, or Simmons, or Rondo in his prime would’ve done so?

Can anyone who thinks RWill can average 3-4 BPG care to explain why better shot-blockers - who are considerably less foul-prone than Williams - such as AD have never averaged 3+?
You didn't watch games when Williams first meet with AD? hint:one blocks another twice
Williams is clear a better shot blocker the AD
LOL. Riiiight. The rookie who played 30 odd games is a better shot blocker than the 3 time block champion who has been voted All-Defence 3 times too.

Get your green glasses off. They’ve blinded you

I think you missed the point when CB members declared RW the second coming of Bill Russell.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: gouki88 on April 14, 2019, 04:01:10 AM
My lord, some of these takes. If it was so easy to average 12 assists per game do you not think that Westbrook, or Simmons, or Rondo in his prime would’ve done so?

Can anyone who thinks RWill can average 3-4 BPG care to explain why better shot-blockers - who are considerably less foul-prone than Williams - such as AD have never averaged 3+?
You didn't watch games when Williams first meet with AD? hint:one blocks another twice
Williams is clear a better shot blocker the AD
LOL. Riiiight. The rookie who played 30 odd games is a better shot blocker than the 3 time block champion who has been voted All-Defence 3 times too.

Get your green glasses off. They’ve blinded you

I think you missed the point when CB members declared RW the second coming of Bill Russell.
Lol, I sadly remember that. Crazy.

And I like RWill too.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Celtics4ever on April 14, 2019, 06:44:09 AM
Quote
I think you missed the point when CB members declared RW the second coming of Bill Russell.

Happens to some rookie every year especially after summer leauge.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Birdman on April 14, 2019, 07:37:03 AM
at draft time i couldnt believe Williams fell that far..but i really wanted Mitchell Robinson
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: BitterJim on April 14, 2019, 08:33:13 AM
My lord, some of these takes. If it was so easy to average 12 assists per game do you not think that Westbrook, or Simmons, or Rondo in his prime would’ve done so?

Can anyone who thinks RWill can average 3-4 BPG care to explain why better shot-blockers - who are considerably less foul-prone than Williams - such as AD have never averaged 3+?
You didn't watch games when Williams first meet with AD? hint:one blocks another twice
Williams is clear a better shot blocker the AD
LOL. Riiiight. The rookie who played 30 odd games is a better shot blocker than the 3 time block champion who has been voted All-Defence 3 times too.

Get your green glasses off. They’ve blinded you

I think you missed the point when CB members declared RW the second coming of Bill Russell.

Third coming of Bill Russell. You're forgetting Greg Stiemsma
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Eddie20 on April 14, 2019, 08:43:46 AM
For more context on how tough it is to get even 3 blocks per game, since the Celtics won in 2008 there have been only 3 instances of someone averaging 3+ blocks per game (minimum 60 games): Serge Ibaka in 2012 and 2013, and Hassan Whiteside in 2016. Expecting Williams to do that "easily" is just ridiculous
I guess you have never seen Williams plays, it will be easy for him to get 3-4 block per game if he want to

Although it's so easy, according to you, he didn't even average that against weaker college kids.

I think people need to take your comments with a huge grain of salt since you're also the same guy who had this gem...

Giannis can't shoot a 3 to save his life, Tatum is one of the best already as a 19 rookie
it's laughable to trade Tatum for him straight



It's no secret that you value Celtics ridiculously high and have no sense of their real value.


Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: gouki88 on April 14, 2019, 09:12:20 AM
For more context on how tough it is to get even 3 blocks per game, since the Celtics won in 2008 there have been only 3 instances of someone averaging 3+ blocks per game (minimum 60 games): Serge Ibaka in 2012 and 2013, and Hassan Whiteside in 2016. Expecting Williams to do that "easily" is just ridiculous
I guess you have never seen Williams plays, it will be easy for him to get 3-4 block per game if he want to

Although it's so easy, according to you, he didn't even average that against weaker college kids.

I think people need to take your comments with a huge grain of salt since you're also the same guy who had this gem...

Giannis can't shoot a 3 to save his life, Tatum is one of the best already as a 19 rookie
it's laughable to trade Tatum for him straight



It's no secret that you value Celtics ridiculously high and have no sense of their real value.
Yeah, I think the emboldened is the crux of it all.

I remember being told that the 3 inch height difference between Luka Doncic and Larry Bird is why Doncic is close to his ceiling and will never reach superstar status
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: nickagneta on April 14, 2019, 12:26:41 PM
Wilt once blocked 25 shots in one game.
Wilt is also perhaps the most freakish athlete in sporting history
Playing against, on average, the least athletic players in league history, on average.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: gouki88 on April 14, 2019, 01:09:08 PM
Wilt once blocked 25 shots in one game.
Wilt is also perhaps the most freakish athlete in sporting history
Playing against, on average, the least athletic players in league history, on average.
Yeah, so unless RWill morphs into 7'1" 280lb high-jumping sprinter and/or the league returns to being a far less lucrative and less literally professional place then I can't see him getting very close to 25 blocks, lol
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Chris22 on April 14, 2019, 10:44:25 PM
Wilt once blocked 25 shots in one game.
Wilt is also perhaps the most freakish athlete in sporting history

True.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Chris22 on April 14, 2019, 10:45:30 PM
Wilt once blocked 25 shots in one game.
Wilt is also perhaps the most freakish athlete in sporting history
Playing against, on average, the least athletic players in league history, on average.

Yea, Bill Russell and Kareem were pretty unathletic.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: playdream on April 14, 2019, 11:28:35 PM
For more context on how tough it is to get even 3 blocks per game, since the Celtics won in 2008 there have been only 3 instances of someone averaging 3+ blocks per game (minimum 60 games): Serge Ibaka in 2012 and 2013, and Hassan Whiteside in 2016. Expecting Williams to do that "easily" is just ridiculous
I guess you have never seen Williams plays, it will be easy for him to get 3-4 block per game if he want to

Although it's so easy, according to you, he didn't even average that against weaker college kids.

I think people need to take your comments with a huge grain of salt since you're also the same guy who had this gem...

Giannis can't shoot a 3 to save his life, Tatum is one of the best already as a 19 rookie
it's laughable to trade Tatum for him straight



It's no secret that you value Celtics ridiculously high and have no sense of their real value.
Yeah, I think the emboldened is the crux of it all.

I remember being told that the 3 inch height difference between Luka Doncic and Larry Bird is why Doncic is close to his ceiling and will never reach superstar status
And that statement stands correct
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: playdream on April 14, 2019, 11:30:27 PM
For more context on how tough it is to get even 3 blocks per game, since the Celtics won in 2008 there have been only 3 instances of someone averaging 3+ blocks per game (minimum 60 games): Serge Ibaka in 2012 and 2013, and Hassan Whiteside in 2016. Expecting Williams to do that "easily" is just ridiculous
I guess you have never seen Williams plays, it will be easy for him to get 3-4 block per game if he want to

Although it's so easy, according to you, he didn't even average that against weaker college kids.

I think people need to take your comments with a huge grain of salt since you're also the same guy who had this gem...

Giannis can't shoot a 3 to save his life, Tatum is one of the best already as a 19 rookie
it's laughable to trade Tatum for him straight



It's no secret that you value Celtics ridiculously high and have no sense of their real value.
Can Giannis shoot 3 to save his life now? where has Giannis go in the playoffs all this years? where has Tatum his first year?

Thank you
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: playdream on April 14, 2019, 11:31:03 PM
double post
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: playdream on April 14, 2019, 11:34:47 PM
Wilt once blocked 25 shots in one game.
Wilt is also perhaps the most freakish athlete in sporting history
Playing against, on average, the least athletic players in league history, on average.
Yeah, so unless RWill morphs into 7'1" 280lb high-jumping sprinter and/or the league returns to being a far less lucrative and less literally professional place then I can't see him getting very close to 25 blocks, lol
Thus the 3-4 numbers
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: BitterJim on April 15, 2019, 05:47:26 AM
Wilt once blocked 25 shots in one game.
Wilt is also perhaps the most freakish athlete in sporting history
Playing against, on average, the least athletic players in league history, on average.

Yea, Bill Russell and Kareem were pretty unathletic.

Were those two indicative of the average NBA player at that time?
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: gouki88 on April 15, 2019, 06:09:53 AM
Wilt once blocked 25 shots in one game.
Wilt is also perhaps the most freakish athlete in sporting history
Playing against, on average, the least athletic players in league history, on average.
Yeah, so unless RWill morphs into 7'1" 280lb high-jumping sprinter and/or the league returns to being a far less lucrative and less literally professional place then I can't see him getting very close to 25 blocks, lol
Thus the 3-4 numbers
Numbers which are still incredibly unrealistic
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Triplenickle on April 15, 2019, 09:11:42 AM
It's really not that hard for a player who likes to block shots to average 3 blks a game playing over 25 minutes a game. What makes it hard is a switching defense that keeps your bigs all over the floor EXCEPT in the paint.

And the actual numbers are meaningless...the intimidation factor is everything.  Guys don't have confidence they can easily drive through the lane, they change their shots, look to pass back out and generally take more time off the clock and put the offense under pressure.

If none of that has value to you, then this team shouldn't be labeled a defensive-minded team.

I mean Mutombo "only" averaged 4 a game, but anyone with eyes saw that even elite players were in no hurry to take it to the rack against him.

So Brad playing Rob like that due to switching mistakes is like a double negative to the team.

Another thing people don't see is that Baynes, Theis, and Horford are actually rim protectors, but all of them rarely get blocks or are intimidating because they're always running over to help way too late to do anything against guys already in motion with a head of steam going to the hoop...so they ALL look like weak and amateurish defenders.

If people are going to ovelook important things like that in defense of Brad and his schemes, don't get mad at the people who just can't stomach that, and know how detrimental it is defensively regardless of their meaningles "rating".

When I say Brad fails his players, I really mean that in more ways than one.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Chris22 on April 15, 2019, 10:04:11 AM
Wilt once blocked 25 shots in one game.
Wilt is also perhaps the most freakish athlete in sporting history
Playing against, on average, the least athletic players in league history, on average.

Yea, Bill Russell and Kareem were pretty unathletic.

Were those two indicative of the average NBA player at that time?

See for yourself....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJGCySdvlPo&t=411s
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: playdream on April 15, 2019, 10:05:09 AM
Wilt once blocked 25 shots in one game.
Wilt is also perhaps the most freakish athlete in sporting history
Playing against, on average, the least athletic players in league history, on average.
Yeah, so unless RWill morphs into 7'1" 280lb high-jumping sprinter and/or the league returns to being a far less lucrative and less literally professional place then I can't see him getting very close to 25 blocks, lol
Thus the 3-4 numbers
Numbers which are still incredibly unrealistic
"incredibly unrealistic"
in your mind
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Triplenickle on April 15, 2019, 10:40:48 AM
Wilt once blocked 25 shots in one game.
Wilt is also perhaps the most freakish athlete in sporting history
Playing against, on average, the least athletic players in league history, on average.

Yea, Bill Russell and Kareem were pretty unathletic.

Were those two indicative of the average NBA player at that time?

See for yourself....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJGCySdvlPo&t=411s

I just wrote a whole post about that but timed out and lost it. I never saw him or Russell play, but would never have the audacity to take anything away from those guys. Just don't understand young people's need to do that because I never did that.  I watched Jabbar in his later years and as slow as he was, he was just as unstoppable left or right, and anywhere from 18 feet in. It's so obvious those guys would be even MORE dominant in their primes today.

I watched Ali in his later years where he struggled against good fighters but still won.  Then I saw clips of him in late 60's before the vietnam thing, and he was faster than Jones and Leonard while being a heavyweight with his intelligence on top of that.

They even forget how unstoppable Shaq was, with 2 and 3 guys grabbing him and he still brings them up with him and dunks. There was nothing anyone could do with him once he got the ball underneath and as big as he was, he lightning quick and even had handle. His hands were just too huge to shoot good.  Like trying to shoot a tennis ball.

But anyway, I just don't understand why these guys feel no one could do anything before they were born and have to make up stuff like "modern nba".  Just the most unintelligent position i've ever seen people take.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Big333223 on April 15, 2019, 11:38:01 AM
It's really not that hard for a player who likes to block shots to average 3 blks a game playing over 25 minutes a game. What makes it hard is a switching defense that keeps your bigs all over the floor EXCEPT in the paint.

And the actual numbers are meaningless...the intimidation factor is everything.  Guys don't have confidence they can easily drive through the lane, they change their shots, look to pass back out and generally take more time off the clock and put the offense under pressure.

If none of that has value to you, then this team shouldn't be labeled a defensive-minded team.

I mean Mutombo "only" averaged 4 a game, but anyone with eyes saw that even elite players were in no hurry to take it to the rack against him.

So Brad playing Rob like that due to switching mistakes is like a double negative to the team.

Another thing people don't see is that Baynes, Theis, and Horford are actually rim protectors, but all of them rarely get blocks or are intimidating because they're always running over to help way too late to do anything against guys already in motion with a head of steam going to the hoop...so they ALL look like weak and amateurish defenders.

If people are going to ovelook important things like that in defense of Brad and his schemes, don't get mad at the people who just can't stomach that, and know how detrimental it is defensively regardless of their meaningles "rating".

When I say Brad fails his players, I really mean that in more ways than one.

It sounds like maybe you haven't been paying attention to how the NBA has changed. In the last 11 seasons, only 3 times has a player averaged more than 3 bpg and one of those guys was Ibaka, twice. That means in over a decade only 2 guys in the entire league have averaged more than 3 bpg for a season. So the idea that "It's really not that hard for a player who likes to block shots to average 3 blks a game" is just wrong.

Maybe this is because you think it's still the 90's? Prior to the '09 season, someone averaged at least 3 bpg every single year for as long as blocks were recorded. Olajuwon, Mutombo, and Robinson all had seasons in the 90's where they topped 4 bpg. The illegal defense rules in the 80's and 90's made blocks much more plentiful around the league. It's a different NBA now.

Which means Robert Williams has a harder time blocking shots in today's NBA and, despite his obvious gifts, unlikely to maintain his scorching shot block pace over more playing time.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Triplenickle on April 15, 2019, 03:13:48 PM
While all that's true, it's only the success of Golden state that made the league think they need to emulate that.  That's kinda my whole point...they're wrong.

And nobody made a law to use switching defense either. If a team right now played a traditional big man game, they would cut through the entire league.

To me the decision is just faulty.

Also, is Giannis playing 90's ball?  Davis?  Boogie?

It's idiotic to try to force centers to be Durant, and if a team is intelligent enough to use their strengths, rule changes don't matter.

And I hope the Bucks take it all, by the way...just to force some sense into this retarded league right now.

They all SHOULD be trying to play 90's ball...it was the best product the league ever produced.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: nickagneta on April 15, 2019, 03:49:52 PM
Wilt once blocked 25 shots in one game.
Wilt is also perhaps the most freakish athlete in sporting history
Playing against, on average, the least athletic players in league history, on average.

Yea, Bill Russell and Kareem were pretty unathletic.

Were those two indicative of the average NBA player at that time?

See for yourself....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJGCySdvlPo&t=411s

I just wrote a whole post about that but timed out and lost it. I never saw him or Russell play, but would never have the audacity to take anything away from those guys. Just don't understand young people's need to do that because I never did that.  I watched Jabbar in his later years and as slow as he was, he was just as unstoppable left or right, and anywhere from 18 feet in. It's so obvious those guys would be even MORE dominant in their primes today.

I watched Ali in his later years where he struggled against good fighters but still won.  Then I saw clips of him in late 60's before the vietnam thing, and he was faster than Jones and Leonard while being a heavyweight with his intelligence on top of that.

They even forget how unstoppable Shaq was, with 2 and 3 guys grabbing him and he still brings them up with him and dunks. There was nothing anyone could do with him once he got the ball underneath and as big as he was, he lightning quick and even had handle. His hands were just too huge to shoot good.  Like trying to shoot a tennis ball.

But anyway, I just don't understand why these guys feel no one could do anything before they were born and have to make up stuff like "modern nba".  Just the most unintelligent position i've ever seen people take.
Who is trying to take away anything from Russell, Walt or Kareem. They blocked a lot of shots because they played against players, that were, on average, nowhere near as athletic as they were. I am not talking about Elgin Baylor, Jerry West or John Havlicek whose athleticism spans decades. I am talking about the vast majority of players in that time.

Just about every team had one or two huge unathletic goons as massive physicality in the paint and fights were common. Most players were still very one handed in their ability to dribble. Players weren't into weight training and didn't stay in NBA shape all year. It was a different time and the average player wasn't even as athletic as the current average Division 1 NCAA team.

And if you mix the majority of players not being as athletic as Russell and Will with the dominating physical presence Russ and Will were and the simplified game that tried to force things inside, then you get ridiculous block and rebound numbers that Will and Bill got.

It's not their fault that the average NBA player wasn't nearly as athletic as they were and it's not disrespect to Bill and Will to say so.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Triplenickle on April 15, 2019, 04:26:02 PM
Wilt once blocked 25 shots in one game.
Wilt is also perhaps the most freakish athlete in sporting history
Playing against, on average, the least athletic players in league history, on average.

Yea, Bill Russell and Kareem were pretty unathletic.

Were those two indicative of the average NBA player at that time?

See for yourself....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJGCySdvlPo&t=411s

I just wrote a whole post about that but timed out and lost it. I never saw him or Russell play, but would never have the audacity to take anything away from those guys. Just don't understand young people's need to do that because I never did that.  I watched Jabbar in his later years and as slow as he was, he was just as unstoppable left or right, and anywhere from 18 feet in. It's so obvious those guys would be even MORE dominant in their primes today.

I watched Ali in his later years where he struggled against good fighters but still won.  Then I saw clips of him in late 60's before the vietnam thing, and he was faster than Jones and Leonard while being a heavyweight with his intelligence on top of that.

They even forget how unstoppable Shaq was, with 2 and 3 guys grabbing him and he still brings them up with him and dunks. There was nothing anyone could do with him once he got the ball underneath and as big as he was, he lightning quick and even had handle. His hands were just too huge to shoot good.  Like trying to shoot a tennis ball.

But anyway, I just don't understand why these guys feel no one could do anything before they were born and have to make up stuff like "modern nba".  Just the most unintelligent position i've ever seen people take.
Who is trying to take away anything from Russell, Walt or Kareem. They blocked a lot of shots because they played against players, that were, on average, nowhere near as athletic as they were. I am not talking about Elgin Baylor, Jerry West or John Havlicek whose athleticism spans decades. I am talking about the vast majority of players in that time.

Just about every team had one or two huge unathletic goons as massive physicality in the paint and fights were common. Most players were still very one handed in their ability to dribble. Players weren't into weight training and didn't stay in NBA shape all year. It was a different time and the average player wasn't even as athletic as the current average Division 1 NCAA team.

And if you mix the majority of players not being as athletic as Russell and Will with the dominating physical presence Russ and Will were and the simplified game that tried to force things inside, then you get ridiculous block and rebound numbers that Will and Bill got.

It's not their fault that the average NBA player wasn't nearly as athletic as they were and it's not disrespect to Bill and Will to say so.

Nick, i'm not even that old and I don't understand this post. I even use to think that about players like Bob cousey, who had cheap sneakers out when I was a kid, and because of that, I thought he stunk because of the jokes about his shoes....UNTIL I WATCHED THE MAN. I didn't even see the Doc play one game in the ABA either, which was his best years. I can safely say there's not one player in this league today that is better than him just from his years in Philly.  You can argue Lebron...but i'm not buying.

And what yall are doing is saying in the 70's players stunk. You gotta be kidding me, man.  I won't even start naming players because I would be here all day, not to mention will forget alot because of my age then.
 
There's always youtube I guess, if some are clear enough to actually watch.

But if most of you guys are 20's and 30's...i'm sorry but you really don't know what you're saying, and if you didn't watch a season back then to see the little nuances of their ability...how on earth can you make that kinda statement?

That's like me trying to tell you about society in England or something.

And TODAY there are like 7 unathletic goons sitting on the bench of every team in this league.

That is no gauge at all.

Do you realize a relatively unassuming player like Bobby Jones in Philly was actually better than Hayward?

Because he sure was and was seen as an afterthought.

Olynik would have never gotten off the bench back then. I'm dead serious.

Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Chris22 on April 15, 2019, 04:53:35 PM
I think some people here missed my point. There has never been anyone like Wilt. Before or since.

Could Williams average 3 or 4 blocks a game? Sure. Williams is one of the best shot blockers I have ever seen, and I have watched the NBA for 50 years.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJGCySdvlPo&t=411s
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: nickagneta on April 15, 2019, 05:23:50 PM
Wilt once blocked 25 shots in one game.
Wilt is also perhaps the most freakish athlete in sporting history
Playing against, on average, the least athletic players in league history, on average.

Yea, Bill Russell and Kareem were pretty unathletic.

Were those two indicative of the average NBA player at that time?

See for yourself....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJGCySdvlPo&t=411s

I just wrote a whole post about that but timed out and lost it. I never saw him or Russell play, but would never have the audacity to take anything away from those guys. Just don't understand young people's need to do that because I never did that.  I watched Jabbar in his later years and as slow as he was, he was just as unstoppable left or right, and anywhere from 18 feet in. It's so obvious those guys would be even MORE dominant in their primes today.

I watched Ali in his later years where he struggled against good fighters but still won.  Then I saw clips of him in late 60's before the vietnam thing, and he was faster than Jones and Leonard while being a heavyweight with his intelligence on top of that.

They even forget how unstoppable Shaq was, with 2 and 3 guys grabbing him and he still brings them up with him and dunks. There was nothing anyone could do with him once he got the ball underneath and as big as he was, he lightning quick and even had handle. His hands were just too huge to shoot good.  Like trying to shoot a tennis ball.

But anyway, I just don't understand why these guys feel no one could do anything before they were born and have to make up stuff like "modern nba".  Just the most unintelligent position i've ever seen people take.
Who is trying to take away anything from Russell, Walt or Kareem. They blocked a lot of shots because they played against players, that were, on average, nowhere near as athletic as they were. I am not talking about Elgin Baylor, Jerry West or John Havlicek whose athleticism spans decades. I am talking about the vast majority of players in that time.

Just about every team had one or two huge unathletic goons as massive physicality in the paint and fights were common. Most players were still very one handed in their ability to dribble. Players weren't into weight training and didn't stay in NBA shape all year. It was a different time and the average player wasn't even as athletic as the current average Division 1 NCAA team.

And if you mix the majority of players not being as athletic as Russell and Will with the dominating physical presence Russ and Will were and the simplified game that tried to force things inside, then you get ridiculous block and rebound numbers that Will and Bill got.

It's not their fault that the average NBA player wasn't nearly as athletic as they were and it's not disrespect to Bill and Will to say so.

Nick, i'm not even that old and I don't understand this post. I even use to think that about players like Bob cousey, who had cheap sneakers out when I was a kid, and because of that, I thought he stunk because of the jokes about his shoes....UNTIL I WATCHED THE MAN. I didn't even see the Doc play one game in the ABA either, which was his best years. I can safely say there's not one player in this league today that is better than him just from his years in Philly.  You can argue Lebron...but i'm not buying.

And what yall are doing is saying in the 70's players stunk. You gotta be kidding me, man.  I won't even start naming players because I would be here all day, not to mention will forget alot because of my age then.
 
There's always youtube I guess, if some are clear enough to actually watch.

But if most of you guys are 20's and 30's...i'm sorry but you really don't know what you're saying, and if you didn't watch a season back then to see the little nuances of their ability...how on earth can you make that kinda statement?

That's like me trying to tell you about society in England or something.

And TODAY there are like 7 unathletic goons sitting on the bench of every team in this league.

That is no gauge at all.

Do you realize a relatively unassuming player like Bobby Jones in Philly was actually better than Hayward?

Because he sure was and was seen as an afterthought.

Olynik would have never gotten off the bench back then. I'm dead serious.
I'm 54. Not 20 something. I grew up on 70's basketball. And I am mostly talking 60's and early 70's NBA basketball. And again, I am not talking about the most athletic of the players. I am talking the average player.

Take for instance 1969-70. I am not talking about Kareem, Elvin Hayes, Jerry West, Unseld, Reed, or the top athletes of the time. But all it takes is a small move down the leaderboards of that era to see ridiculously unathletic players getting big minutes. Take a look:


https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_1970_totals.html#totals_stats::mp

You can do the same thing every year in the 60's. The average NBA player was not as athletic or skilled as today's average NBA player. That, and the simple game of that time where the entire game plan was get it into the paint, is what led to the ridiculous blocks Russell and Wilt put up in that era.



Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Chris22 on April 15, 2019, 06:48:44 PM
Wilt once blocked 25 shots in one game.
Wilt is also perhaps the most freakish athlete in sporting history
Playing against, on average, the least athletic players in league history, on average.

Yea, Bill Russell and Kareem were pretty unathletic.

Were those two indicative of the average NBA player at that time?

See for yourself....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJGCySdvlPo&t=411s

I just wrote a whole post about that but timed out and lost it. I never saw him or Russell play, but would never have the audacity to take anything away from those guys. Just don't understand young people's need to do that because I never did that.  I watched Jabbar in his later years and as slow as he was, he was just as unstoppable left or right, and anywhere from 18 feet in. It's so obvious those guys would be even MORE dominant in their primes today.

I watched Ali in his later years where he struggled against good fighters but still won.  Then I saw clips of him in late 60's before the vietnam thing, and he was faster than Jones and Leonard while being a heavyweight with his intelligence on top of that.

They even forget how unstoppable Shaq was, with 2 and 3 guys grabbing him and he still brings them up with him and dunks. There was nothing anyone could do with him once he got the ball underneath and as big as he was, he lightning quick and even had handle. His hands were just too huge to shoot good.  Like trying to shoot a tennis ball.

But anyway, I just don't understand why these guys feel no one could do anything before they were born and have to make up stuff like "modern nba".  Just the most unintelligent position i've ever seen people take.
Who is trying to take away anything from Russell, Walt or Kareem. They blocked a lot of shots because they played against players, that were, on average, nowhere near as athletic as they were. I am not talking about Elgin Baylor, Jerry West or John Havlicek whose athleticism spans decades. I am talking about the vast majority of players in that time.

Just about every team had one or two huge unathletic goons as massive physicality in the paint and fights were common. Most players were still very one handed in their ability to dribble. Players weren't into weight training and didn't stay in NBA shape all year. It was a different time and the average player wasn't even as athletic as the current average Division 1 NCAA team.

And if you mix the majority of players not being as athletic as Russell and Will with the dominating physical presence Russ and Will were and the simplified game that tried to force things inside, then you get ridiculous block and rebound numbers that Will and Bill got.

It's not their fault that the average NBA player wasn't nearly as athletic as they were and it's not disrespect to Bill and Will to say so.

Nick, i'm not even that old and I don't understand this post. I even use to think that about players like Bob cousey, who had cheap sneakers out when I was a kid, and because of that, I thought he stunk because of the jokes about his shoes....UNTIL I WATCHED THE MAN. I didn't even see the Doc play one game in the ABA either, which was his best years. I can safely say there's not one player in this league today that is better than him just from his years in Philly.  You can argue Lebron...but i'm not buying.

And what yall are doing is saying in the 70's players stunk. You gotta be kidding me, man.  I won't even start naming players because I would be here all day, not to mention will forget alot because of my age then.
 
There's always youtube I guess, if some are clear enough to actually watch.

But if most of you guys are 20's and 30's...i'm sorry but you really don't know what you're saying, and if you didn't watch a season back then to see the little nuances of their ability...how on earth can you make that kinda statement?

That's like me trying to tell you about society in England or something.

And TODAY there are like 7 unathletic goons sitting on the bench of every team in this league.

That is no gauge at all.

Do you realize a relatively unassuming player like Bobby Jones in Philly was actually better than Hayward?

Because he sure was and was seen as an afterthought.

Olynik would have never gotten off the bench back then. I'm dead serious.
I'm 54. Not 20 something. I grew up on 70's basketball. And I am mostly talking 60's and early 70's NBA basketball. And again, I am not talking about the most athletic of the players. I am talking the average player.

Take for instance 1969-70. I am not talking about Kareem, Elvin Hayes, Jerry West, Unseld, Reed, or the top athletes of the time. But all it takes is a small move down the leaderboards of that era to see ridiculously unathletic players getting big minutes. Take a look:


https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_1970_totals.html#totals_stats::mp

You can do the same thing every year in the 60's. The average NBA player was not as athletic or skilled as today's average NBA player. That, and the simple game of that time where the entire game plan was get it into the paint, is what led to the ridiculous blocks Russell and Wilt put up in that era.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJGCySdvlPo&t=411s
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: nickagneta on April 15, 2019, 07:06:05 PM
Wilt once blocked 25 shots in one game.
Wilt is also perhaps the most freakish athlete in sporting history
Playing against, on average, the least athletic players in league history, on average.

Yea, Bill Russell and Kareem were pretty unathletic.

Were those two indicative of the average NBA player at that time?

See for yourself....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJGCySdvlPo&t=411s

I just wrote a whole post about that but timed out and lost it. I never saw him or Russell play, but would never have the audacity to take anything away from those guys. Just don't understand young people's need to do that because I never did that.  I watched Jabbar in his later years and as slow as he was, he was just as unstoppable left or right, and anywhere from 18 feet in. It's so obvious those guys would be even MORE dominant in their primes today.

I watched Ali in his later years where he struggled against good fighters but still won.  Then I saw clips of him in late 60's before the vietnam thing, and he was faster than Jones and Leonard while being a heavyweight with his intelligence on top of that.

They even forget how unstoppable Shaq was, with 2 and 3 guys grabbing him and he still brings them up with him and dunks. There was nothing anyone could do with him once he got the ball underneath and as big as he was, he lightning quick and even had handle. His hands were just too huge to shoot good.  Like trying to shoot a tennis ball.

But anyway, I just don't understand why these guys feel no one could do anything before they were born and have to make up stuff like "modern nba".  Just the most unintelligent position i've ever seen people take.
Who is trying to take away anything from Russell, Walt or Kareem. They blocked a lot of shots because they played against players, that were, on average, nowhere near as athletic as they were. I am not talking about Elgin Baylor, Jerry West or John Havlicek whose athleticism spans decades. I am talking about the vast majority of players in that time.

Just about every team had one or two huge unathletic goons as massive physicality in the paint and fights were common. Most players were still very one handed in their ability to dribble. Players weren't into weight training and didn't stay in NBA shape all year. It was a different time and the average player wasn't even as athletic as the current average Division 1 NCAA team.

And if you mix the majority of players not being as athletic as Russell and Will with the dominating physical presence Russ and Will were and the simplified game that tried to force things inside, then you get ridiculous block and rebound numbers that Will and Bill got.

It's not their fault that the average NBA player wasn't nearly as athletic as they were and it's not disrespect to Bill and Will to say so.

Nick, i'm not even that old and I don't understand this post. I even use to think that about players like Bob cousey, who had cheap sneakers out when I was a kid, and because of that, I thought he stunk because of the jokes about his shoes....UNTIL I WATCHED THE MAN. I didn't even see the Doc play one game in the ABA either, which was his best years. I can safely say there's not one player in this league today that is better than him just from his years in Philly.  You can argue Lebron...but i'm not buying.

And what yall are doing is saying in the 70's players stunk. You gotta be kidding me, man.  I won't even start naming players because I would be here all day, not to mention will forget alot because of my age then.
 
There's always youtube I guess, if some are clear enough to actually watch.

But if most of you guys are 20's and 30's...i'm sorry but you really don't know what you're saying, and if you didn't watch a season back then to see the little nuances of their ability...how on earth can you make that kinda statement?

That's like me trying to tell you about society in England or something.

And TODAY there are like 7 unathletic goons sitting on the bench of every team in this league.

That is no gauge at all.

Do you realize a relatively unassuming player like Bobby Jones in Philly was actually better than Hayward?

Because he sure was and was seen as an afterthought.

Olynik would have never gotten off the bench back then. I'm dead serious.
I'm 54. Not 20 something. I grew up on 70's basketball. And I am mostly talking 60's and early 70's NBA basketball. And again, I am not talking about the most athletic of the players. I am talking the average player.

Take for instance 1969-70. I am not talking about Kareem, Elvin Hayes, Jerry West, Unseld, Reed, or the top athletes of the time. But all it takes is a small move down the leaderboards of that era to see ridiculously unathletic players getting big minutes. Take a look:


https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_1970_totals.html#totals_stats::mp

You can do the same thing every year in the 60's. The average NBA player was not as athletic or skilled as today's average NBA player. That, and the simple game of that time where the entire game plan was get it into the paint, is what led to the ridiculous blocks Russell and Wilt put up in that era.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJGCySdvlPo&t=411s
Thank you for proving my point. Watch the game. Very slow guys with little lift trying to take it inside exclusively against a transcendent athlete.

Watch the dribbling. Players looking down at the ball to dribble. Dominant hand exclusive. That is so easy to guard.

Watch the players on the floor that get left in the dust because they are so slow.

Outside shooting was almost always a set shot and easy to time to block.

Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Chris22 on April 15, 2019, 07:14:25 PM
Wilt once blocked 25 shots in one game.
Wilt is also perhaps the most freakish athlete in sporting history
Playing against, on average, the least athletic players in league history, on average.

Yea, Bill Russell and Kareem were pretty unathletic.

Were those two indicative of the average NBA player at that time?

See for yourself....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJGCySdvlPo&t=411s

I just wrote a whole post about that but timed out and lost it. I never saw him or Russell play, but would never have the audacity to take anything away from those guys. Just don't understand young people's need to do that because I never did that.  I watched Jabbar in his later years and as slow as he was, he was just as unstoppable left or right, and anywhere from 18 feet in. It's so obvious those guys would be even MORE dominant in their primes today.

I watched Ali in his later years where he struggled against good fighters but still won.  Then I saw clips of him in late 60's before the vietnam thing, and he was faster than Jones and Leonard while being a heavyweight with his intelligence on top of that.

They even forget how unstoppable Shaq was, with 2 and 3 guys grabbing him and he still brings them up with him and dunks. There was nothing anyone could do with him once he got the ball underneath and as big as he was, he lightning quick and even had handle. His hands were just too huge to shoot good.  Like trying to shoot a tennis ball.

But anyway, I just don't understand why these guys feel no one could do anything before they were born and have to make up stuff like "modern nba".  Just the most unintelligent position i've ever seen people take.
Who is trying to take away anything from Russell, Walt or Kareem. They blocked a lot of shots because they played against players, that were, on average, nowhere near as athletic as they were. I am not talking about Elgin Baylor, Jerry West or John Havlicek whose athleticism spans decades. I am talking about the vast majority of players in that time.

Just about every team had one or two huge unathletic goons as massive physicality in the paint and fights were common. Most players were still very one handed in their ability to dribble. Players weren't into weight training and didn't stay in NBA shape all year. It was a different time and the average player wasn't even as athletic as the current average Division 1 NCAA team.

And if you mix the majority of players not being as athletic as Russell and Will with the dominating physical presence Russ and Will were and the simplified game that tried to force things inside, then you get ridiculous block and rebound numbers that Will and Bill got.

It's not their fault that the average NBA player wasn't nearly as athletic as they were and it's not disrespect to Bill and Will to say so.

Nick, i'm not even that old and I don't understand this post. I even use to think that about players like Bob cousey, who had cheap sneakers out when I was a kid, and because of that, I thought he stunk because of the jokes about his shoes....UNTIL I WATCHED THE MAN. I didn't even see the Doc play one game in the ABA either, which was his best years. I can safely say there's not one player in this league today that is better than him just from his years in Philly.  You can argue Lebron...but i'm not buying.

And what yall are doing is saying in the 70's players stunk. You gotta be kidding me, man.  I won't even start naming players because I would be here all day, not to mention will forget alot because of my age then.
 
There's always youtube I guess, if some are clear enough to actually watch.

But if most of you guys are 20's and 30's...i'm sorry but you really don't know what you're saying, and if you didn't watch a season back then to see the little nuances of their ability...how on earth can you make that kinda statement?

That's like me trying to tell you about society in England or something.

And TODAY there are like 7 unathletic goons sitting on the bench of every team in this league.

That is no gauge at all.

Do you realize a relatively unassuming player like Bobby Jones in Philly was actually better than Hayward?

Because he sure was and was seen as an afterthought.

Olynik would have never gotten off the bench back then. I'm dead serious.
I'm 54. Not 20 something. I grew up on 70's basketball. And I am mostly talking 60's and early 70's NBA basketball. And again, I am not talking about the most athletic of the players. I am talking the average player.

Take for instance 1969-70. I am not talking about Kareem, Elvin Hayes, Jerry West, Unseld, Reed, or the top athletes of the time. But all it takes is a small move down the leaderboards of that era to see ridiculously unathletic players getting big minutes. Take a look:


https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_1970_totals.html#totals_stats::mp

You can do the same thing every year in the 60's. The average NBA player was not as athletic or skilled as today's average NBA player. That, and the simple game of that time where the entire game plan was get it into the paint, is what led to the ridiculous blocks Russell and Wilt put up in that era.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJGCySdvlPo&t=411s
Thank you for proving my point. Watch the game. Very slow guys with little lift trying to take it inside exclusively against a transcendent athlete.

Watch the dribbling. Players looking down at the ball to dribble. Dominant hand exclusive. That is so easy to guard.

Watch the players on the floor that get left in the dust because they are so slow.

Outside shooting was almost always a set shot and easy to time to block.

Wilt's standing reach was five inches higher than Shaq's and Wilt jumped higher.

Apology accepted, Captain Needa.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: hwangjini_1 on April 15, 2019, 07:52:07 PM
wilt would have dominated basketball in any era i believe.

once, he averaged 50 points a game and just under 27 rebounds a game...for the season.  :o

of the 112 games they tracked of his blocked shots, he averaged 8.8 a game. Russell, if you are interested averaged 8.1 for those games of which we have records.

https://2kmtcentral.com/forums/thread/2435/there-are-112-nba-games-where-shot-block-data-of-wilt-chamberlain-exists-his-average-for-those-112-88-blocks-per-game

this doesnt mean the rest of the league was super athletic, but these two guys sure were.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: gouki88 on April 15, 2019, 08:08:23 PM
Wilt once blocked 25 shots in one game.
Wilt is also perhaps the most freakish athlete in sporting history
Playing against, on average, the least athletic players in league history, on average.

Yea, Bill Russell and Kareem were pretty unathletic.

Were those two indicative of the average NBA player at that time?

See for yourself....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJGCySdvlPo&t=411s

I just wrote a whole post about that but timed out and lost it. I never saw him or Russell play, but would never have the audacity to take anything away from those guys. Just don't understand young people's need to do that because I never did that.  I watched Jabbar in his later years and as slow as he was, he was just as unstoppable left or right, and anywhere from 18 feet in. It's so obvious those guys would be even MORE dominant in their primes today.

I watched Ali in his later years where he struggled against good fighters but still won.  Then I saw clips of him in late 60's before the vietnam thing, and he was faster than Jones and Leonard while being a heavyweight with his intelligence on top of that.

They even forget how unstoppable Shaq was, with 2 and 3 guys grabbing him and he still brings them up with him and dunks. There was nothing anyone could do with him once he got the ball underneath and as big as he was, he lightning quick and even had handle. His hands were just too huge to shoot good.  Like trying to shoot a tennis ball.

But anyway, I just don't understand why these guys feel no one could do anything before they were born and have to make up stuff like "modern nba".  Just the most unintelligent position i've ever seen people take.
Who is trying to take away anything from Russell, Walt or Kareem. They blocked a lot of shots because they played against players, that were, on average, nowhere near as athletic as they were. I am not talking about Elgin Baylor, Jerry West or John Havlicek whose athleticism spans decades. I am talking about the vast majority of players in that time.

Just about every team had one or two huge unathletic goons as massive physicality in the paint and fights were common. Most players were still very one handed in their ability to dribble. Players weren't into weight training and didn't stay in NBA shape all year. It was a different time and the average player wasn't even as athletic as the current average Division 1 NCAA team.

And if you mix the majority of players not being as athletic as Russell and Will with the dominating physical presence Russ and Will were and the simplified game that tried to force things inside, then you get ridiculous block and rebound numbers that Will and Bill got.

It's not their fault that the average NBA player wasn't nearly as athletic as they were and it's not disrespect to Bill and Will to say so.

Nick, i'm not even that old and I don't understand this post. I even use to think that about players like Bob cousey, who had cheap sneakers out when I was a kid, and because of that, I thought he stunk because of the jokes about his shoes....UNTIL I WATCHED THE MAN. I didn't even see the Doc play one game in the ABA either, which was his best years. I can safely say there's not one player in this league today that is better than him just from his years in Philly.  You can argue Lebron...but i'm not buying.

And what yall are doing is saying in the 70's players stunk. You gotta be kidding me, man.  I won't even start naming players because I would be here all day, not to mention will forget alot because of my age then.
 
There's always youtube I guess, if some are clear enough to actually watch.

But if most of you guys are 20's and 30's...i'm sorry but you really don't know what you're saying, and if you didn't watch a season back then to see the little nuances of their ability...how on earth can you make that kinda statement?

That's like me trying to tell you about society in England or something.

And TODAY there are like 7 unathletic goons sitting on the bench of every team in this league.

That is no gauge at all.

Do you realize a relatively unassuming player like Bobby Jones in Philly was actually better than Hayward?

Because he sure was and was seen as an afterthought.

Olynik would have never gotten off the bench back then. I'm dead serious.
I'm 54. Not 20 something. I grew up on 70's basketball. And I am mostly talking 60's and early 70's NBA basketball. And again, I am not talking about the most athletic of the players. I am talking the average player.

Take for instance 1969-70. I am not talking about Kareem, Elvin Hayes, Jerry West, Unseld, Reed, or the top athletes of the time. But all it takes is a small move down the leaderboards of that era to see ridiculously unathletic players getting big minutes. Take a look:


https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_1970_totals.html#totals_stats::mp

You can do the same thing every year in the 60's. The average NBA player was not as athletic or skilled as today's average NBA player. That, and the simple game of that time where the entire game plan was get it into the paint, is what led to the ridiculous blocks Russell and Wilt put up in that era.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJGCySdvlPo&t=411s
Thank you for proving my point. Watch the game. Very slow guys with little lift trying to take it inside exclusively against a transcendent athlete.

Watch the dribbling. Players looking down at the ball to dribble. Dominant hand exclusive. That is so easy to guard.

Watch the players on the floor that get left in the dust because they are so slow.

Outside shooting was almost always a set shot and easy to time to block.

Wilt's standing reach was five inches higher than Shaq's and Wilt jumped higher.

Apology accepted, Captain Needa.
I don’t know how you’re continuing to not comprehend that Nick is talking about the average players, not the dominant stars who transcend eras
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: BitterJim on April 15, 2019, 08:30:38 PM
wilt would have dominated basketball in any era i believe.

once, he averaged 50 points a game and just under 27 rebounds a game...for the season.  :o

of the 112 games they tracked of his blocked shots, he averaged 8.8 a game. Russell, if you are interested averaged 8.1 for those games of which we have records.

https://2kmtcentral.com/forums/thread/2435/there-are-112-nba-games-where-shot-block-data-of-wilt-chamberlain-exists-his-average-for-those-112-88-blocks-per-game

this doesnt mean the rest of the league was super athletic, but these two guys sure were.

I don't think anyone would disagree that Wilt and Russell were both ridiculous athletes. Just look at their high jump numbers. And when you consider that that was without modern equipment, nutrition, and training techniques... holy crap

I can't believe that anyone is arguing that players 40-50 years ago were as athletic as today, though. The increase in popularity leading to more athletic players (from more parts of the world) joining AND being able to make it their full time job, improved nutrition, and better training techniques have led to a measurable increase in athleticism among professional athletes. That doesn't mean that there weren't super athletes back then, but it does mean that most of the players in the league back then we're less athletic than they are today.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: BitterJim on April 15, 2019, 08:32:08 PM
Wilt once blocked 25 shots in one game.
Wilt is also perhaps the most freakish athlete in sporting history
Playing against, on average, the least athletic players in league history, on average.

Yea, Bill Russell and Kareem were pretty unathletic.

Were those two indicative of the average NBA player at that time?

See for yourself....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJGCySdvlPo&t=411s

I just wrote a whole post about that but timed out and lost it. I never saw him or Russell play, but would never have the audacity to take anything away from those guys. Just don't understand young people's need to do that because I never did that.  I watched Jabbar in his later years and as slow as he was, he was just as unstoppable left or right, and anywhere from 18 feet in. It's so obvious those guys would be even MORE dominant in their primes today.

I watched Ali in his later years where he struggled against good fighters but still won.  Then I saw clips of him in late 60's before the vietnam thing, and he was faster than Jones and Leonard while being a heavyweight with his intelligence on top of that.

They even forget how unstoppable Shaq was, with 2 and 3 guys grabbing him and he still brings them up with him and dunks. There was nothing anyone could do with him once he got the ball underneath and as big as he was, he lightning quick and even had handle. His hands were just too huge to shoot good.  Like trying to shoot a tennis ball.

But anyway, I just don't understand why these guys feel no one could do anything before they were born and have to make up stuff like "modern nba".  Just the most unintelligent position i've ever seen people take.
Who is trying to take away anything from Russell, Walt or Kareem. They blocked a lot of shots because they played against players, that were, on average, nowhere near as athletic as they were. I am not talking about Elgin Baylor, Jerry West or John Havlicek whose athleticism spans decades. I am talking about the vast majority of players in that time.

Just about every team had one or two huge unathletic goons as massive physicality in the paint and fights were common. Most players were still very one handed in their ability to dribble. Players weren't into weight training and didn't stay in NBA shape all year. It was a different time and the average player wasn't even as athletic as the current average Division 1 NCAA team.

And if you mix the majority of players not being as athletic as Russell and Will with the dominating physical presence Russ and Will were and the simplified game that tried to force things inside, then you get ridiculous block and rebound numbers that Will and Bill got.

It's not their fault that the average NBA player wasn't nearly as athletic as they were and it's not disrespect to Bill and Will to say so.

Nick, i'm not even that old and I don't understand this post. I even use to think that about players like Bob cousey, who had cheap sneakers out when I was a kid, and because of that, I thought he stunk because of the jokes about his shoes....UNTIL I WATCHED THE MAN. I didn't even see the Doc play one game in the ABA either, which was his best years. I can safely say there's not one player in this league today that is better than him just from his years in Philly.  You can argue Lebron...but i'm not buying.

And what yall are doing is saying in the 70's players stunk. You gotta be kidding me, man.  I won't even start naming players because I would be here all day, not to mention will forget alot because of my age then.
 
There's always youtube I guess, if some are clear enough to actually watch.

But if most of you guys are 20's and 30's...i'm sorry but you really don't know what you're saying, and if you didn't watch a season back then to see the little nuances of their ability...how on earth can you make that kinda statement?

That's like me trying to tell you about society in England or something.

And TODAY there are like 7 unathletic goons sitting on the bench of every team in this league.

That is no gauge at all.

Do you realize a relatively unassuming player like Bobby Jones in Philly was actually better than Hayward?

Because he sure was and was seen as an afterthought.

Olynik would have never gotten off the bench back then. I'm dead serious.
I'm 54. Not 20 something. I grew up on 70's basketball. And I am mostly talking 60's and early 70's NBA basketball. And again, I am not talking about the most athletic of the players. I am talking the average player.

Take for instance 1969-70. I am not talking about Kareem, Elvin Hayes, Jerry West, Unseld, Reed, or the top athletes of the time. But all it takes is a small move down the leaderboards of that era to see ridiculously unathletic players getting big minutes. Take a look:


https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_1970_totals.html#totals_stats::mp

You can do the same thing every year in the 60's. The average NBA player was not as athletic or skilled as today's average NBA player. That, and the simple game of that time where the entire game plan was get it into the paint, is what led to the ridiculous blocks Russell and Wilt put up in that era.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJGCySdvlPo&t=411s
Thank you for proving my point. Watch the game. Very slow guys with little lift trying to take it inside exclusively against a transcendent athlete.

Watch the dribbling. Players looking down at the ball to dribble. Dominant hand exclusive. That is so easy to guard.

Watch the players on the floor that get left in the dust because they are so slow.

Outside shooting was almost always a set shot and easy to time to block.

Wilt's standing reach was five inches higher than Shaq's and Wilt jumped higher.

Apology accepted, Captain Needa.
I don’t know how you’re continuing to not comprehend that Nick is talking about the average players, not the dominant stars who transcend eras

Willful ignorance.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Chris22 on April 15, 2019, 08:35:10 PM
Wilt once blocked 25 shots in one game.
Wilt is also perhaps the most freakish athlete in sporting history
Playing against, on average, the least athletic players in league history, on average.

Yea, Bill Russell and Kareem were pretty unathletic.

Were those two indicative of the average NBA player at that time?

See for yourself....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJGCySdvlPo&t=411s

I just wrote a whole post about that but timed out and lost it. I never saw him or Russell play, but would never have the audacity to take anything away from those guys. Just don't understand young people's need to do that because I never did that.  I watched Jabbar in his later years and as slow as he was, he was just as unstoppable left or right, and anywhere from 18 feet in. It's so obvious those guys would be even MORE dominant in their primes today.

I watched Ali in his later years where he struggled against good fighters but still won.  Then I saw clips of him in late 60's before the vietnam thing, and he was faster than Jones and Leonard while being a heavyweight with his intelligence on top of that.

They even forget how unstoppable Shaq was, with 2 and 3 guys grabbing him and he still brings them up with him and dunks. There was nothing anyone could do with him once he got the ball underneath and as big as he was, he lightning quick and even had handle. His hands were just too huge to shoot good.  Like trying to shoot a tennis ball.

But anyway, I just don't understand why these guys feel no one could do anything before they were born and have to make up stuff like "modern nba".  Just the most unintelligent position i've ever seen people take.
Who is trying to take away anything from Russell, Walt or Kareem. They blocked a lot of shots because they played against players, that were, on average, nowhere near as athletic as they were. I am not talking about Elgin Baylor, Jerry West or John Havlicek whose athleticism spans decades. I am talking about the vast majority of players in that time.

Just about every team had one or two huge unathletic goons as massive physicality in the paint and fights were common. Most players were still very one handed in their ability to dribble. Players weren't into weight training and didn't stay in NBA shape all year. It was a different time and the average player wasn't even as athletic as the current average Division 1 NCAA team.

And if you mix the majority of players not being as athletic as Russell and Will with the dominating physical presence Russ and Will were and the simplified game that tried to force things inside, then you get ridiculous block and rebound numbers that Will and Bill got.

It's not their fault that the average NBA player wasn't nearly as athletic as they were and it's not disrespect to Bill and Will to say so.

Nick, i'm not even that old and I don't understand this post. I even use to think that about players like Bob cousey, who had cheap sneakers out when I was a kid, and because of that, I thought he stunk because of the jokes about his shoes....UNTIL I WATCHED THE MAN. I didn't even see the Doc play one game in the ABA either, which was his best years. I can safely say there's not one player in this league today that is better than him just from his years in Philly.  You can argue Lebron...but i'm not buying.

And what yall are doing is saying in the 70's players stunk. You gotta be kidding me, man.  I won't even start naming players because I would be here all day, not to mention will forget alot because of my age then.
 
There's always youtube I guess, if some are clear enough to actually watch.

But if most of you guys are 20's and 30's...i'm sorry but you really don't know what you're saying, and if you didn't watch a season back then to see the little nuances of their ability...how on earth can you make that kinda statement?

That's like me trying to tell you about society in England or something.

And TODAY there are like 7 unathletic goons sitting on the bench of every team in this league.

That is no gauge at all.

Do you realize a relatively unassuming player like Bobby Jones in Philly was actually better than Hayward?

Because he sure was and was seen as an afterthought.

Olynik would have never gotten off the bench back then. I'm dead serious.
I'm 54. Not 20 something. I grew up on 70's basketball. And I am mostly talking 60's and early 70's NBA basketball. And again, I am not talking about the most athletic of the players. I am talking the average player.

Take for instance 1969-70. I am not talking about Kareem, Elvin Hayes, Jerry West, Unseld, Reed, or the top athletes of the time. But all it takes is a small move down the leaderboards of that era to see ridiculously unathletic players getting big minutes. Take a look:


https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_1970_totals.html#totals_stats::mp

You can do the same thing every year in the 60's. The average NBA player was not as athletic or skilled as today's average NBA player. That, and the simple game of that time where the entire game plan was get it into the paint, is what led to the ridiculous blocks Russell and Wilt put up in that era.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJGCySdvlPo&t=411s
Thank you for proving my point. Watch the game. Very slow guys with little lift trying to take it inside exclusively against a transcendent athlete.

Watch the dribbling. Players looking down at the ball to dribble. Dominant hand exclusive. That is so easy to guard.

Watch the players on the floor that get left in the dust because they are so slow.

Outside shooting was almost always a set shot and easy to time to block.

Wilt's standing reach was five inches higher than Shaq's and Wilt jumped higher.

Apology accepted, Captain Needa.
I don’t know how you’re continuing to not comprehend that Nick is talking about the average players, not the dominant stars who transcend eras

I don't know how you are not comprehending that I am talking about dominant stars who transcend eras.

He is saying Wilt was dominant because he played with unathletic players.

I am saying Wilt would be dominant in any era.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: gouki88 on April 15, 2019, 08:39:27 PM
Wilt once blocked 25 shots in one game.
Wilt is also perhaps the most freakish athlete in sporting history
Playing against, on average, the least athletic players in league history, on average.

Yea, Bill Russell and Kareem were pretty unathletic.

Were those two indicative of the average NBA player at that time?

See for yourself....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJGCySdvlPo&t=411s

I just wrote a whole post about that but timed out and lost it. I never saw him or Russell play, but would never have the audacity to take anything away from those guys. Just don't understand young people's need to do that because I never did that.  I watched Jabbar in his later years and as slow as he was, he was just as unstoppable left or right, and anywhere from 18 feet in. It's so obvious those guys would be even MORE dominant in their primes today.

I watched Ali in his later years where he struggled against good fighters but still won.  Then I saw clips of him in late 60's before the vietnam thing, and he was faster than Jones and Leonard while being a heavyweight with his intelligence on top of that.

They even forget how unstoppable Shaq was, with 2 and 3 guys grabbing him and he still brings them up with him and dunks. There was nothing anyone could do with him once he got the ball underneath and as big as he was, he lightning quick and even had handle. His hands were just too huge to shoot good.  Like trying to shoot a tennis ball.

But anyway, I just don't understand why these guys feel no one could do anything before they were born and have to make up stuff like "modern nba".  Just the most unintelligent position i've ever seen people take.
Who is trying to take away anything from Russell, Walt or Kareem. They blocked a lot of shots because they played against players, that were, on average, nowhere near as athletic as they were. I am not talking about Elgin Baylor, Jerry West or John Havlicek whose athleticism spans decades. I am talking about the vast majority of players in that time.

Just about every team had one or two huge unathletic goons as massive physicality in the paint and fights were common. Most players were still very one handed in their ability to dribble. Players weren't into weight training and didn't stay in NBA shape all year. It was a different time and the average player wasn't even as athletic as the current average Division 1 NCAA team.

And if you mix the majority of players not being as athletic as Russell and Will with the dominating physical presence Russ and Will were and the simplified game that tried to force things inside, then you get ridiculous block and rebound numbers that Will and Bill got.

It's not their fault that the average NBA player wasn't nearly as athletic as they were and it's not disrespect to Bill and Will to say so.

Nick, i'm not even that old and I don't understand this post. I even use to think that about players like Bob cousey, who had cheap sneakers out when I was a kid, and because of that, I thought he stunk because of the jokes about his shoes....UNTIL I WATCHED THE MAN. I didn't even see the Doc play one game in the ABA either, which was his best years. I can safely say there's not one player in this league today that is better than him just from his years in Philly.  You can argue Lebron...but i'm not buying.

And what yall are doing is saying in the 70's players stunk. You gotta be kidding me, man.  I won't even start naming players because I would be here all day, not to mention will forget alot because of my age then.
 
There's always youtube I guess, if some are clear enough to actually watch.

But if most of you guys are 20's and 30's...i'm sorry but you really don't know what you're saying, and if you didn't watch a season back then to see the little nuances of their ability...how on earth can you make that kinda statement?

That's like me trying to tell you about society in England or something.

And TODAY there are like 7 unathletic goons sitting on the bench of every team in this league.

That is no gauge at all.

Do you realize a relatively unassuming player like Bobby Jones in Philly was actually better than Hayward?

Because he sure was and was seen as an afterthought.

Olynik would have never gotten off the bench back then. I'm dead serious.
I'm 54. Not 20 something. I grew up on 70's basketball. And I am mostly talking 60's and early 70's NBA basketball. And again, I am not talking about the most athletic of the players. I am talking the average player.

Take for instance 1969-70. I am not talking about Kareem, Elvin Hayes, Jerry West, Unseld, Reed, or the top athletes of the time. But all it takes is a small move down the leaderboards of that era to see ridiculously unathletic players getting big minutes. Take a look:


https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_1970_totals.html#totals_stats::mp

You can do the same thing every year in the 60's. The average NBA player was not as athletic or skilled as today's average NBA player. That, and the simple game of that time where the entire game plan was get it into the paint, is what led to the ridiculous blocks Russell and Wilt put up in that era.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJGCySdvlPo&t=411s
Thank you for proving my point. Watch the game. Very slow guys with little lift trying to take it inside exclusively against a transcendent athlete.

Watch the dribbling. Players looking down at the ball to dribble. Dominant hand exclusive. That is so easy to guard.

Watch the players on the floor that get left in the dust because they are so slow.

Outside shooting was almost always a set shot and easy to time to block.

Wilt's standing reach was five inches higher than Shaq's and Wilt jumped higher.

Apology accepted, Captain Needa.
I don’t know how you’re continuing to not comprehend that Nick is talking about the average players, not the dominant stars who transcend eras

I don't know how you are not comprehending that I am talking about dominant stars who transcend eras.

He is saying Wilt was dominant because he played with unathletic players.

I am saying Wilt would be dominant in any era.
No, he isn't. He's saying the less athletic nature of the 60's game contributed to Wilt getting 25 blocks, alongside his freakish athleticism, which Nick acknowledged in his first reply to me.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: BitterJim on April 15, 2019, 08:45:15 PM
Wilt once blocked 25 shots in one game.
Wilt is also perhaps the most freakish athlete in sporting history
Playing against, on average, the least athletic players in league history, on average.

Yea, Bill Russell and Kareem were pretty unathletic.

Were those two indicative of the average NBA player at that time?

See for yourself....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJGCySdvlPo&t=411s

I just wrote a whole post about that but timed out and lost it. I never saw him or Russell play, but would never have the audacity to take anything away from those guys. Just don't understand young people's need to do that because I never did that.  I watched Jabbar in his later years and as slow as he was, he was just as unstoppable left or right, and anywhere from 18 feet in. It's so obvious those guys would be even MORE dominant in their primes today.

I watched Ali in his later years where he struggled against good fighters but still won.  Then I saw clips of him in late 60's before the vietnam thing, and he was faster than Jones and Leonard while being a heavyweight with his intelligence on top of that.

They even forget how unstoppable Shaq was, with 2 and 3 guys grabbing him and he still brings them up with him and dunks. There was nothing anyone could do with him once he got the ball underneath and as big as he was, he lightning quick and even had handle. His hands were just too huge to shoot good.  Like trying to shoot a tennis ball.

But anyway, I just don't understand why these guys feel no one could do anything before they were born and have to make up stuff like "modern nba".  Just the most unintelligent position i've ever seen people take.
Who is trying to take away anything from Russell, Walt or Kareem. They blocked a lot of shots because they played against players, that were, on average, nowhere near as athletic as they were. I am not talking about Elgin Baylor, Jerry West or John Havlicek whose athleticism spans decades. I am talking about the vast majority of players in that time.

Just about every team had one or two huge unathletic goons as massive physicality in the paint and fights were common. Most players were still very one handed in their ability to dribble. Players weren't into weight training and didn't stay in NBA shape all year. It was a different time and the average player wasn't even as athletic as the current average Division 1 NCAA team.

And if you mix the majority of players not being as athletic as Russell and Will with the dominating physical presence Russ and Will were and the simplified game that tried to force things inside, then you get ridiculous block and rebound numbers that Will and Bill got.

It's not their fault that the average NBA player wasn't nearly as athletic as they were and it's not disrespect to Bill and Will to say so.

Nick, i'm not even that old and I don't understand this post. I even use to think that about players like Bob cousey, who had cheap sneakers out when I was a kid, and because of that, I thought he stunk because of the jokes about his shoes....UNTIL I WATCHED THE MAN. I didn't even see the Doc play one game in the ABA either, which was his best years. I can safely say there's not one player in this league today that is better than him just from his years in Philly.  You can argue Lebron...but i'm not buying.

And what yall are doing is saying in the 70's players stunk. You gotta be kidding me, man.  I won't even start naming players because I would be here all day, not to mention will forget alot because of my age then.
 
There's always youtube I guess, if some are clear enough to actually watch.

But if most of you guys are 20's and 30's...i'm sorry but you really don't know what you're saying, and if you didn't watch a season back then to see the little nuances of their ability...how on earth can you make that kinda statement?

That's like me trying to tell you about society in England or something.

And TODAY there are like 7 unathletic goons sitting on the bench of every team in this league.

That is no gauge at all.

Do you realize a relatively unassuming player like Bobby Jones in Philly was actually better than Hayward?

Because he sure was and was seen as an afterthought.

Olynik would have never gotten off the bench back then. I'm dead serious.

Sure. Most players in today's NBA (Kelly Olynyk included) would have struggled in the 80's and 90s, since the game was much more physical, and players today rely more on finesse and athleticism.

And the same goes for most players in from the 80's and 90's if they played in today's NBA. Most big men would get run off the floor on offense, and unless their post game was good enough to outweigh the outside shooting they would be unable to cover, they wouldn't be able to stay in the game. Or do you think a guy like Tree Rollins would dominate today, since there aren't as many big men as there were in the 70s/80s/90s?
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Chris22 on April 15, 2019, 08:45:43 PM
Wilt once blocked 25 shots in one game.
Wilt is also perhaps the most freakish athlete in sporting history
Playing against, on average, the least athletic players in league history, on average.

Yea, Bill Russell and Kareem were pretty unathletic.

Were those two indicative of the average NBA player at that time?

See for yourself....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJGCySdvlPo&t=411s

I just wrote a whole post about that but timed out and lost it. I never saw him or Russell play, but would never have the audacity to take anything away from those guys. Just don't understand young people's need to do that because I never did that.  I watched Jabbar in his later years and as slow as he was, he was just as unstoppable left or right, and anywhere from 18 feet in. It's so obvious those guys would be even MORE dominant in their primes today.

I watched Ali in his later years where he struggled against good fighters but still won.  Then I saw clips of him in late 60's before the vietnam thing, and he was faster than Jones and Leonard while being a heavyweight with his intelligence on top of that.

They even forget how unstoppable Shaq was, with 2 and 3 guys grabbing him and he still brings them up with him and dunks. There was nothing anyone could do with him once he got the ball underneath and as big as he was, he lightning quick and even had handle. His hands were just too huge to shoot good.  Like trying to shoot a tennis ball.

But anyway, I just don't understand why these guys feel no one could do anything before they were born and have to make up stuff like "modern nba".  Just the most unintelligent position i've ever seen people take.
Who is trying to take away anything from Russell, Walt or Kareem. They blocked a lot of shots because they played against players, that were, on average, nowhere near as athletic as they were. I am not talking about Elgin Baylor, Jerry West or John Havlicek whose athleticism spans decades. I am talking about the vast majority of players in that time.

Just about every team had one or two huge unathletic goons as massive physicality in the paint and fights were common. Most players were still very one handed in their ability to dribble. Players weren't into weight training and didn't stay in NBA shape all year. It was a different time and the average player wasn't even as athletic as the current average Division 1 NCAA team.

And if you mix the majority of players not being as athletic as Russell and Will with the dominating physical presence Russ and Will were and the simplified game that tried to force things inside, then you get ridiculous block and rebound numbers that Will and Bill got.

It's not their fault that the average NBA player wasn't nearly as athletic as they were and it's not disrespect to Bill and Will to say so.

Nick, i'm not even that old and I don't understand this post. I even use to think that about players like Bob cousey, who had cheap sneakers out when I was a kid, and because of that, I thought he stunk because of the jokes about his shoes....UNTIL I WATCHED THE MAN. I didn't even see the Doc play one game in the ABA either, which was his best years. I can safely say there's not one player in this league today that is better than him just from his years in Philly.  You can argue Lebron...but i'm not buying.

And what yall are doing is saying in the 70's players stunk. You gotta be kidding me, man.  I won't even start naming players because I would be here all day, not to mention will forget alot because of my age then.
 
There's always youtube I guess, if some are clear enough to actually watch.

But if most of you guys are 20's and 30's...i'm sorry but you really don't know what you're saying, and if you didn't watch a season back then to see the little nuances of their ability...how on earth can you make that kinda statement?

That's like me trying to tell you about society in England or something.

And TODAY there are like 7 unathletic goons sitting on the bench of every team in this league.

That is no gauge at all.

Do you realize a relatively unassuming player like Bobby Jones in Philly was actually better than Hayward?

Because he sure was and was seen as an afterthought.

Olynik would have never gotten off the bench back then. I'm dead serious.
I'm 54. Not 20 something. I grew up on 70's basketball. And I am mostly talking 60's and early 70's NBA basketball. And again, I am not talking about the most athletic of the players. I am talking the average player.

Take for instance 1969-70. I am not talking about Kareem, Elvin Hayes, Jerry West, Unseld, Reed, or the top athletes of the time. But all it takes is a small move down the leaderboards of that era to see ridiculously unathletic players getting big minutes. Take a look:


https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_1970_totals.html#totals_stats::mp

You can do the same thing every year in the 60's. The average NBA player was not as athletic or skilled as today's average NBA player. That, and the simple game of that time where the entire game plan was get it into the paint, is what led to the ridiculous blocks Russell and Wilt put up in that era.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJGCySdvlPo&t=411s
Thank you for proving my point. Watch the game. Very slow guys with little lift trying to take it inside exclusively against a transcendent athlete.

Watch the dribbling. Players looking down at the ball to dribble. Dominant hand exclusive. That is so easy to guard.

Watch the players on the floor that get left in the dust because they are so slow.

Outside shooting was almost always a set shot and easy to time to block.

Wilt's standing reach was five inches higher than Shaq's and Wilt jumped higher.

Apology accepted, Captain Needa.
I don’t know how you’re continuing to not comprehend that Nick is talking about the average players, not the dominant stars who transcend eras

I don't know how you are not comprehending that I am talking about dominant stars who transcend eras.

He is saying Wilt was dominant because he played with unathletic players.

I am saying Wilt would be dominant in any era.
No, he isn't. He's saying the less athletic nature of the 60's game contributed to Wilt getting 25 blocks, alongside his freakish athleticism, which Nick acknowledged in his first reply to me.

And I am saying Wilt might get 25 blocks today, if not for the three point shot.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Triplenickle on April 16, 2019, 11:38:44 AM
Well my point was I never watched anything from the 60's except clips...but the 70's were full of athletes from top to bottom so I can't imagine the 60's being that different.

I mean come on, Gervin, Mcadoo, Mcginnis, Elvin Hayes, Bernard King, David Thompson, The Doc, Dawkins, Moses Malone, Marcus johnson, Larry Nance, Gus williams Earl the pearl, Wes unseld, Artis gilmore...and these are just a handful of guys at the top of my head. If any of yall say any of them wouldn't be effective today then I don't understand why yall would be basketball fans.

Even Dennis johnson had a 42" vertical when he played for seattle. By the time he got to the Celts, I never saw him dunk one time though. lol

But I mean the Iceman averaged like 36 points a game multiple times. And to put it in perspective both Magic and Bird were playing for their college championship in what...78-79 I believe?

So yall are saying 15 years before that players were running around dribbling with one hand looking incompetent and unathletic?

Could it be those were just the "Zellers" of the league you saw?  Another thing, we all know how effective Alonzo mourning was right?  Just from clips alone I can tell Russell was on a different level than him.

But hey...if that's what yall need to tell yourselves, then ok

And speaking of David thompson...find me a guy today that is 6'4 and can touch the top of the backboard.

Something yall were talking about to guage Williams athleticism at 6'10
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: SHAQATTACK on April 16, 2019, 01:18:09 PM
he eclipses both time and space  :)
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Big333223 on April 16, 2019, 02:47:04 PM
So yall are saying 15 years before that players were running around dribbling with one hand looking incompetent and unathletic?

Could it be those were just the "Zellers" of the league you saw?

Just go on youtube and watch some video of Bob Cousy. Cousy was a league MVP and one of the greatest PG's of all time. They called him the Houdini of the Hardwood because his ballhandling ability was so far above everyone else's.

He could barely dribble with his left.

Some of the dribbling back then has to do with rule changes but there is lots and lots of video from the 60's where you can see that players are just not as good as they are today and it isn't close.

That doesn't take away from their greatness, mind you. It's just an acknowledgement that time passes and things change. Players today are building on what players from the 00's did just like those players were building on what the guys from the 80's did and so on.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: liam on April 16, 2019, 02:53:32 PM
So yall are saying 15 years before that players were running around dribbling with one hand looking incompetent and unathletic?

Could it be those were just the "Zellers" of the league you saw?

Just go on youtube and watch some video of Bob Cousy. Cousy was a league MVP and one of the greatest PG's of all time. They called him the Houdini of the Hardwood because his ballhandling ability was so far above everyone else's.

He could barely dribble with his left.

Some of the dribbling back then has to do with rule changes but there is lots and lots of video from the 60's where you can see that players are just not as good as they are today and it isn't close.

That doesn't take away from their greatness, mind you. It's just an acknowledgement that time passes and things change. Players today are building on what players from the 00's did just like those players were building on what the guys from the 80's did and so on.

Cousy had to dribble with his hand on top of the ball.  If he could palm the ball the way current players are allowed to he would've been an even better ball handler.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Big333223 on April 16, 2019, 02:55:09 PM
So yall are saying 15 years before that players were running around dribbling with one hand looking incompetent and unathletic?

Could it be those were just the "Zellers" of the league you saw?

Just go on youtube and watch some video of Bob Cousy. Cousy was a league MVP and one of the greatest PG's of all time. They called him the Houdini of the Hardwood because his ballhandling ability was so far above everyone else's.

He could barely dribble with his left.

Some of the dribbling back then has to do with rule changes but there is lots and lots of video from the 60's where you can see that players are just not as good as they are today and it isn't close.

That doesn't take away from their greatness, mind you. It's just an acknowledgement that time passes and things change. Players today are building on what players from the 00's did just like those players were building on what the guys from the 80's did and so on.

Cousy had to dribble with his hand on top of the ball.  If he could palm the ball the way current players are allowed to he would've been an even better ball handler.

I said in my post that some of the dribbling back then has to do with rule changes. That doesn't change the fact that the best ballhandler in the entire league rarely used his left hand.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: liam on April 16, 2019, 03:22:34 PM
So yall are saying 15 years before that players were running around dribbling with one hand looking incompetent and unathletic?

Could it be those were just the "Zellers" of the league you saw?

Just go on youtube and watch some video of Bob Cousy. Cousy was a league MVP and one of the greatest PG's of all time. They called him the Houdini of the Hardwood because his ballhandling ability was so far above everyone else's.

He could barely dribble with his left.

Some of the dribbling back then has to do with rule changes but there is lots and lots of video from the 60's where you can see that players are just not as good as they are today and it isn't close.

That doesn't take away from their greatness, mind you. It's just an acknowledgement that time passes and things change. Players today are building on what players from the 00's did just like those players were building on what the guys from the 80's did and so on.

Cousy had to dribble with his hand on top of the ball.  If he could palm the ball the way current players are allowed to he would've been an even better ball handler.

I said in my post that some of the dribbling back then has to do with rule changes. That doesn't change the fact that the best ballhandler in the entire league rarely used his left hand.

It's way easier to change hands when you are allowed to palm/ carry the ball. It's also easier to dibble with the off hand when constantly carrying the ball. Cousy is just flat dribbling the ball. I'm not sure if todays players could even dribble the ball up the court like that, with either hand...
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Triplenickle on April 16, 2019, 05:06:53 PM
So yall are saying 15 years before that players were running around dribbling with one hand looking incompetent and unathletic?

Could it be those were just the "Zellers" of the league you saw?

Just go on youtube and watch some video of Bob Cousy. Cousy was a league MVP and one of the greatest PG's of all time. They called him the Houdini of the Hardwood because his ballhandling ability was so far above everyone else's.

He could barely dribble with his left.

Some of the dribbling back then has to do with rule changes but there is lots and lots of video from the 60's where you can see that players are just not as good as they are today and it isn't close.

That doesn't take away from their greatness, mind you. It's just an acknowledgement that time passes and things change. Players today are building on what players from the 00's did just like those players were building on what the guys from the 80's did and so on.

I gotta revise some stuff cause yeah, I noticed that about him. And also
Gervin averaged about 33 pts a couple times.

But it just hit me what happened...it was the merger of the ABA into the NBA that changed everything, so i'm gonna concede a lil bit.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: alt on April 19, 2019, 05:23:58 PM
Cousy is a terrible example, unlike most guards of the time he would use the left hand very heavily. Also could finish with both. IIRC, he was ambidextrous because he broke his right wrist or arm when he was in high-school and played a season with a cast on. Watch those famous final seconds of the 1972 finals and see how comfortable Cousy was dribbling with his off-hand. When it was necessary he would do it. Dribbling was just different those days, different rules, different role in the game.

Robert Williams is always spaced out. Reminds of Patrick O'Bryant. Hasn't looked like a good prospect so far.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: rondofan1255 on June 21, 2019, 01:03:42 PM
Playing time expectations with Baynes (and reportedly Horford) gone?

I’ll go with 8-10 mins
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: nickagneta on June 21, 2019, 01:06:02 PM
Playing time expectations with Baynes (and reportedly Horford) gone?

I’ll go with 8-10 mins
28-32 minutes a game....in Maine.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: rondofan1255 on June 30, 2019, 10:30:30 PM
Free Timelord!
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Bobshot on June 30, 2019, 10:40:47 PM
They got to take a good look at Tacko. He's huge and has a lot of learning smarts.

This team right now has no bigs, except for Williams and Tacko. Wow.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: jpotter33 on June 30, 2019, 10:45:29 PM
Free Timelord!

I’m onboard. Even if as a backup, I want him getting at least 20-25 minutes a game.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Emmette Bryant on July 01, 2019, 08:26:40 PM
[Boston.com] Grant Willimas on Robert Williams: "Rob's my guy. I met him playing in the SEC. He's a vocal player. He's doing a great job communicating and getting guys to understand not only the system but also coverages. He's doing a great job of leading right now."

https://twitter.com/BDCCeltics/status/1145783173890158592
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Emmette Bryant on July 01, 2019, 08:30:18 PM
Robert appears to have acquired a gameface.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlCR8Gv1Fdg
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: jambr380 on July 01, 2019, 08:31:59 PM
Any chance we can get a 2019-20 Timelord thread? It seems only fair to the guy - what if he plays here for 10 years, we will be up over 1000 pages!  :o

Cool info on Grant/Robert. If there was anything I was sure about after hearing Grant speak for the first time, it was that he was going to be an awesome teammate. Nice to hear a shout-out to Robert's communication style.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: knuckleballer on July 01, 2019, 08:52:56 PM
I read somewhere that he's been at the Celtics practice facility every morning at 6 am.  Hopefully, he can make a second year jump.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: hwangjini_1 on July 01, 2019, 09:23:14 PM
I read somewhere that he's been at the Celtics practice facility every morning at 6 am.  Hopefully, he can make a second year jump.
hopefully, but it seemed to me that his biggest problem is mental, not physical. he had trouble playing defense within the team's defensive schemes.

we shall see. he will get minutes this year for sure.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: saltlover on July 01, 2019, 09:30:17 PM
I read somewhere that he's been at the Celtics practice facility every morning at 6 am.  Hopefully, he can make a second year jump.
hopefully, but it seemed to me that his biggest problem is mental, not physical. he had trouble playing defense within the team's defensive schemes.

we shall see. he will get minutes this year for sure.

To be fair, playing NBA defense as a rookie center is quite difficult, as is playing point guard on offense, because you have responsibility for everyone as the communicator, and not just yourself, so there’s much more the think about and be aware of..  I didn’t expect much of him last year, because he was a rookie big.  Hopefully this year he will take a step forward.  That he’s taken on that role of telling his teammates where to be, even in only a summer league practice, is a positive sign.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: blink on July 01, 2019, 09:35:51 PM
Robert appears to have acquired a gameface.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlCR8Gv1Fdg

I liked his interview.  Seems like he is ready to go to work and try to carve out some minutes for himself.  If he can progress to where he can give us 15 min / game that would be huge.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: nickagneta on July 01, 2019, 09:39:42 PM
I read somewhere that he's been at the Celtics practice facility every morning at 6 am.  Hopefully, he can make a second year jump.
hopefully, but it seemed to me that his biggest problem is mental, not physical. he had trouble playing defense within the team's defensive schemes.

we shall see. he will get minutes this year for sure.
Heard Greg Dickerson on sports radio today and he said Williams is a knucklehead and not very smart. Its Greg Dickerson so who knows if that is true, but, you have to think Dickerson might have had the chance to be around him and know, so maybe there is something to this.

If you aren't very bright, you are going to need longer to learn everything you need to to develop at a good rate. Look at James Young. By all accounts a decent talent but not the brightest bulb in the package. He couldn't learn the sets and now he is out of the NBA.

Just hope Dickerson is just being his usual over the top dolt that he always is and Williams is just fine and will learn at a better rate than last year where he looked like he learned very little.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Emmette Bryant on July 01, 2019, 09:55:10 PM
Well I'd say if there's any one person who could identify a knucklehead, it would be Greg Dickerson
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: hwangjini_1 on July 01, 2019, 09:55:45 PM
I read somewhere that he's been at the Celtics practice facility every morning at 6 am.  Hopefully, he can make a second year jump.
hopefully, but it seemed to me that his biggest problem is mental, not physical. he had trouble playing defense within the team's defensive schemes.

we shall see. he will get minutes this year for sure.

To be fair, playing NBA defense as a rookie center is quite difficult, as is playing point guard on offense, because you have responsibility for everyone as the communicator, and not just yourself, so there’s much more the think about and be aware of..  I didn’t expect much of him last year, because he was a rookie big.  Hopefully this year he will take a step forward.  That he’s taken on that role of telling his teammates where to be, even in only a summer league practice, is a positive sign.
yes, i did not mean to imply that TL is hopeless. rather that the earlier post mentioned physical development when i thought it was the mental development that was most in need.

good points as ever salty.
Title: 21 Years Old
Post by: CBS_Take a Report on July 02, 2019, 09:49:02 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=V2bhhgzFRTw
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: jpotter33 on July 02, 2019, 10:04:25 PM
https://twitter.com/dangercart/status/1146204820564525058?s=21

Quote
If Brad gives Robert Williams a real opportunity we won’t be worried about the center position by mid-season.

I’m with Dangercart on this one. Set him free, Brad! I think he’s starting by the end of the season so long as he gets the opportunity from Brad.
Title: Favorite play of night-Was Robert Williams and not a dunk
Post by: rollie mass on July 07, 2019, 05:33:56 AM
Robert Williams jumps the passing lane sending the ball skidding forward he catches up to the ball while
 on the run somehow keeps dribble alive and then finishes with a euro steps in traffic for a layup.
That one play had so many components and didn't look like ragged a hustle play but a Celtic play
First defensive awareness.
Reaction time and using wingspan to defect ball forward.
Agility to regain control of dribble at half court while sprinting and finish in traffic.
Quickness and agility catching up to ball .
Using his wingspan while keeping low to regain control of dribble while sprinting forward
Finishes like a small forward with a contested euro step.
I had to watch that on replay as i thought that must have been another player
That kind of play just flashed his potential beyond a lob dunk or spiking a blocked shot but a new level of coordination and athleticism .

 
Title: Re: Favorite play of night-Was Robert Williams and not a dunk
Post by: Fierce1 on July 07, 2019, 05:55:15 AM
If Rob Will can become like Clint Capela then the search for the next Celtics big man is over.

Right now Celts are still one move away from being a legit contender.

I think the Celts are better off trading for a player like Bradley Beal than for a big like Capela.
Title: Re: Favorite play of night-Was Robert Williams and not a dunk
Post by: trickybilly on July 07, 2019, 07:30:31 AM
Well, there was a lot of nice basketball from RWill, but it seriously blows my mind that he won that Defensive Player of the year award.

Check out his awareness starting at 6.46 - three bad moves: doesn't check his man when the handoff happens (although isn't in too bad position - lucky), late to the drive contest - just literally ball watching, then late to recover and stupidly tries to snatch a steal that wasn't there, loses position. Still needs a LOT of work. Also, his offensive rebounding effort comes and goes.

Tacko's defense was actually pretty good all night. I hope he gets a 2-way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df5g_3SsB7k
Title: Re: Favorite play of night-Was Robert Williams and not a dunk
Post by: Surferdad on July 07, 2019, 08:00:24 AM
Well, there was a lot of nice basketball from RWill, but it seriously blows my mind that he won that Defensive Player of the year award.

Check out his awareness starting at 6.46 - three bad moves: doesn't check his man when the handoff happens (although isn't in too bad position - lucky), late to the drive contest - just literally ball watching, then late to recover and stupidly tries to snatch a steal that wasn't there, loses position. Still needs a LOT of work. Also, his offensive rebounding effort comes and goes.

Tacko's defense was actually pretty good all night. I hope he gets a 2-way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df5g_3SsB7k
Yes, there's currently some "irrational exuberance" surrounding Rob Williams.  He has a long way to go on both sides of the ball.  He clearly doesn't not have a grasp of team defense yet.  On the other side, his mid-range jumper is not reliable and he has no post game at all.  Any notion of him starting at center is just wishful thinking.
Title: Re: Favorite play of night-Was Robert Williams and not a dunk
Post by: Sophomore on July 07, 2019, 08:07:40 AM
Well, there was a lot of nice basketball from RWill, but it seriously blows my mind that he won that Defensive Player of the year award.

Check out his awareness starting at 6.46 - three bad moves: doesn't check his man when the handoff happens (although isn't in too bad position - lucky), late to the drive contest - just literally ball watching, then late to recover and stupidly tries to snatch a steal that wasn't there, loses position. Still needs a LOT of work. Also, his offensive rebounding effort comes and goes.

Tacko's defense was actually pretty good all night. I hope he gets a 2-way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df5g_3SsB7k
Yes, there's currently some "irrational exuberance" surrounding Rob Williams.  He has a long way to go on both sides of the ball.  He clearly doesn't not have a grasp of team defense yet.  On the other side, his mid-range jumper is not reliable and he has no post game at all.  Any notion of him starting at center is just wishful thinking.

He also doesn't show much physicality. Looks like he's trying to avoid contact most of the time.

Pelle, on the Sixers, to me was a better defender.
Title: Re: Favorite play of night-Was Robert Williams and not a dunk
Post by: Sophomore on July 07, 2019, 08:12:28 AM
Well, there was a lot of nice basketball from RWill, but it seriously blows my mind that he won that Defensive Player of the year award.

Check out his awareness starting at 6.46 - three bad moves: doesn't check his man when the handoff happens (although isn't in too bad position - lucky), late to the drive contest - just literally ball watching, then late to recover and stupidly tries to snatch a steal that wasn't there, loses position. Still needs a LOT of work. Also, his offensive rebounding effort comes and goes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df5g_3SsB7k

Good illustration with that clip. Ouch. I often have the impression he's out of position and late to react; this is a good breakdown of a (too typical) play.

One positive I'd offer is that his passing was usually crisp - didn't hold the ball too long - and often was a good basketball play. He made one or two nice pocket passes to cutters.
Title: Re: Favorite play of night-Was Robert Williams and not a dunk
Post by: moiso on July 07, 2019, 08:13:43 AM
Well, there was a lot of nice basketball from RWill, but it seriously blows my mind that he won that Defensive Player of the year award.

Check out his awareness starting at 6.46 - three bad moves: doesn't check his man when the handoff happens (although isn't in too bad position - lucky), late to the drive contest - just literally ball watching, then late to recover and stupidly tries to snatch a steal that wasn't there, loses position. Still needs a LOT of work. Also, his offensive rebounding effort comes and goes.

Tacko's defense was actually pretty good all night. I hope he gets a 2-way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df5g_3SsB7k
Yes, there's currently some "irrational exuberance" surrounding Rob Williams.  He has a long way to go on both sides of the ball.  He clearly doesn't not have a grasp of team defense yet.  On the other side, his mid-range jumper is not reliable and he has no post game at all.  Any notion of him starting at center is just wishful thinking.

He also doesn't show much physicality. Looks like he's trying to avoid contact most of the time.

Pelle, on the Sixers, to me was a better defender.
For someone who is supposedly working so hard he was still huffing and puffing at almost every stop in the action.
Title: Re: Favorite play of night-Was Robert Williams and not a dunk
Post by: trickybilly on July 07, 2019, 08:27:54 AM
Well, there was a lot of nice basketball from RWill, but it seriously blows my mind that he won that Defensive Player of the year award.

Check out his awareness starting at 6.46 - three bad moves: doesn't check his man when the handoff happens (although isn't in too bad position - lucky), late to the drive contest - just literally ball watching, then late to recover and stupidly tries to snatch a steal that wasn't there, loses position. Still needs a LOT of work. Also, his offensive rebounding effort comes and goes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df5g_3SsB7k

Good illustration with that clip. Ouch. I often have the impression he's out of position and late to react; this is a good breakdown of a (too typical) play.

One positive I'd offer is that his passing was usually crisp - didn't hold the ball too long - and often was a good basketball play. He made one or two nice pocket passes to cutters.


Yes, agreed. It's bizarre to me that his passing vision is actually very good - was last year too. Literally the least advertised part of his game coming out of college.

He is still very slim, and you're right - he just doesn't have a feel for when to engage contact on defensive end.

Agree with Surferdad that he simply is not a starting option at this point... we go with Theis or Kanter. [That's not to say that he couldn't figure things out quickly without having coaching staff completely occupied with all last year's bullEdited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. drama, working a million sets to ensure everyone is fed.
Title: Re: Favorite play of night-Was Robert Williams and not a dunk
Post by: Surferdad on July 07, 2019, 08:50:18 AM
Well, there was a lot of nice basketball from RWill, but it seriously blows my mind that he won that Defensive Player of the year award.

Check out his awareness starting at 6.46 - three bad moves: doesn't check his man when the handoff happens (although isn't in too bad position - lucky), late to the drive contest - just literally ball watching, then late to recover and stupidly tries to snatch a steal that wasn't there, loses position. Still needs a LOT of work. Also, his offensive rebounding effort comes and goes.

Tacko's defense was actually pretty good all night. I hope he gets a 2-way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df5g_3SsB7k
Yes, there's currently some "irrational exuberance" surrounding Rob Williams.  He has a long way to go on both sides of the ball.  He clearly doesn't not have a grasp of team defense yet.  On the other side, his mid-range jumper is not reliable and he has no post game at all.  Any notion of him starting at center is just wishful thinking.

He also doesn't show much physicality. Looks like he's trying to avoid contact most of the time.

Pelle, on the Sixers, to me was a better defender.
For someone who is supposedly working so hard he was still huffing and puffing at almost every stop in the action.
Significant concern.  His game depends a lot of his athleticism, but if he's going to get winded so quickly he won't stay on the floor.  I'm a bit disappointed to see more holes in his game this summer, not less.
Title: Re: Favorite play of night-Was Robert Williams and not a dunk
Post by: playdream on July 07, 2019, 08:52:54 AM
Well, there was a lot of nice basketball from RWill, but it seriously blows my mind that he won that Defensive Player of the year award.

Check out his awareness starting at 6.46 - three bad moves: doesn't check his man when the handoff happens (although isn't in too bad position - lucky), late to the drive contest - just literally ball watching, then late to recover and stupidly tries to snatch a steal that wasn't there, loses position. Still needs a LOT of work. Also, his offensive rebounding effort comes and goes.

Tacko's defense was actually pretty good all night. I hope he gets a 2-way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df5g_3SsB7k
People will find any opportunity to bash this young man

Yes it's a obvious bad play on TL, but it's rare and for a guy who barely played last season in his first SUMMER game of the season it's totally acceptable
Title: Re: Favorite play of night-Was Robert Williams and not a dunk
Post by: playdream on July 07, 2019, 08:56:48 AM
Well, there was a lot of nice basketball from RWill, but it seriously blows my mind that he won that Defensive Player of the year award.

Check out his awareness starting at 6.46 - three bad moves: doesn't check his man when the handoff happens (although isn't in too bad position - lucky), late to the drive contest - just literally ball watching, then late to recover and stupidly tries to snatch a steal that wasn't there, loses position. Still needs a LOT of work. Also, his offensive rebounding effort comes and goes.

Tacko's defense was actually pretty good all night. I hope he gets a 2-way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df5g_3SsB7k
Yes, there's currently some "irrational exuberance" surrounding Rob Williams.  He has a long way to go on both sides of the ball.  He clearly doesn't not have a grasp of team defense yet.  On the other side, his mid-range jumper is not reliable and he has no post game at all.  Any notion of him starting at center is just wishful thinking.

He also doesn't show much physicality. Looks like he's trying to avoid contact most of the time.

Pelle, on the Sixers, to me was a better defender.
For someone who is supposedly working so hard he was still huffing and puffing at almost every stop in the action.
Significant concern.  His game depends a lot of his athleticism, but if he's going to get winded so quickly he won't stay on the floor.  I'm a bit disappointed to see more holes in his game this summer, not less.
You think it's easy to move like that with what he got? he just been through his first year, give the kid some time smh
Title: Re: Favorite play of night-Was Robert Williams and not a dunk
Post by: trickybilly on July 07, 2019, 09:06:01 AM
Well, there was a lot of nice basketball from RWill, but it seriously blows my mind that he won that Defensive Player of the year award.

Check out his awareness starting at 6.46 - three bad moves: doesn't check his man when the handoff happens (although isn't in too bad position - lucky), late to the drive contest - just literally ball watching, then late to recover and stupidly tries to snatch a steal that wasn't there, loses position. Still needs a LOT of work. Also, his offensive rebounding effort comes and goes.

Tacko's defense was actually pretty good all night. I hope he gets a 2-way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df5g_3SsB7k
People will find any opportunity to bash this young man

Yes it's a obvious bad play on TL, but it's rare and for a guy who barely played last season in his first SUMMER game of the season it's totally acceptable

I'm not bashing, just trying to get everyone to calm down a little. He needs to do a lot of work. A lot. People are calling him for him to have the starting job...
Title: Re: Favorite play of night-Was Robert Williams and not a dunk
Post by: tonydelk on July 07, 2019, 09:07:20 AM
If Rob Will can become like Clint Capela then the search for the next Celtics big man is over.

Right now Celts are still one move away from being a legit contender.

I think the Celts are better off trading for a player like Bradley Beal than for a big like Capela.

I think the cs are development away from being a contender.  No need to trade for beal or anyone else right now.  Develop the young guys and see what you have.
Title: Re: Favorite play of night-Was Robert Williams and not a dunk
Post by: Sophomore on July 07, 2019, 09:32:00 AM
Well, there was a lot of nice basketball from RWill, but it seriously blows my mind that he won that Defensive Player of the year award.

Check out his awareness starting at 6.46 - three bad moves: doesn't check his man when the handoff happens (although isn't in too bad position - lucky), late to the drive contest - just literally ball watching, then late to recover and stupidly tries to snatch a steal that wasn't there, loses position. Still needs a LOT of work. Also, his offensive rebounding effort comes and goes.

Tacko's defense was actually pretty good all night. I hope he gets a 2-way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df5g_3SsB7k
People will find any opportunity to bash this young man

Yes it's a obvious bad play on TL, but it's rare and for a guy who barely played last season in his first SUMMER game of the season it's totally acceptable

I'm not bashing, just trying to get everyone to calm down a little. He needs to do a lot of work. A lot. People are calling him for him to have the starting job...

Agree with this. Actually all the hype probably contributes to the problem. People are saying he’s ready to be a beast. He’s not. It’s disappointing if you compare the body of his on-court work to his very best plays or what his boosters promise.

We may need to wait at least another year before he’s ready for rotation minutes, and then we also have to understand that if he earns minutes on a contender that’s something we should be excited about - like found money- not something to take for granted or that he’s already earned.
Title: Re: Favorite play of night-Was Robert Williams and not a dunk
Post by: playdream on July 07, 2019, 09:34:39 AM
Well, there was a lot of nice basketball from RWill, but it seriously blows my mind that he won that Defensive Player of the year award.

Check out his awareness starting at 6.46 - three bad moves: doesn't check his man when the handoff happens (although isn't in too bad position - lucky), late to the drive contest - just literally ball watching, then late to recover and stupidly tries to snatch a steal that wasn't there, loses position. Still needs a LOT of work. Also, his offensive rebounding effort comes and goes.

Tacko's defense was actually pretty good all night. I hope he gets a 2-way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df5g_3SsB7k
People will find any opportunity to bash this young man

Yes it's a obvious bad play on TL, but it's rare and for a guy who barely played last season in his first SUMMER game of the season it's totally acceptable

I'm not bashing, just trying to get everyone to calm down a little. He needs to do a lot of work. A lot. People are calling him for him to have the starting job...
You singled out his one bad play and make it a big deal, just tell me which 2nd year player didn't need a lot work?
Title: Re: Favorite play of night-Was Robert Williams and not a dunk
Post by: ederson on July 07, 2019, 09:36:21 AM
Well, there was a lot of nice basketball from RWill, but it seriously blows my mind that he won that Defensive Player of the year award.

Check out his awareness starting at 6.46 - three bad moves: doesn't check his man when the handoff happens (although isn't in too bad position - lucky), late to the drive contest - just literally ball watching, then late to recover and stupidly tries to snatch a steal that wasn't there, loses position. Still needs a LOT of work. Also, his offensive rebounding effort comes and goes.

Tacko's defense was actually pretty good all night. I hope he gets a 2-way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df5g_3SsB7k
People will find any opportunity to bash this young man

Yes it's a obvious bad play on TL, but it's rare and for a guy who barely played last season in his first SUMMER game of the season it's totally acceptable

I'm not bashing, just trying to get everyone to calm down a little. He needs to do a lot of work. A lot. People are calling him for him to have the starting job...

That is the worse about all the unreasonable threads about Williams and taco. Trying to level the expectations it looks like we are bashing the kids. Every 2 days there is new thread about RW praising everything he does. Even breathing!!!

It's the lack of realism getting bashed and not the kids
Title: Re: Favorite play of night-Was Robert Williams and not a dunk
Post by: Fierce1 on July 07, 2019, 09:37:29 AM
If Rob Will can become like Clint Capela then the search for the next Celtics big man is over.

Right now Celts are still one move away from being a legit contender.

I think the Celts are better off trading for a player like Bradley Beal than for a big like Capela.

I think the cs are development away from being a contender.  No need to trade for beal or anyone else right now.  Develop the young guys and see what you have.

Boston Herald's Bulpett said the Celts are not done dealing.

So we'll see what happens.
Title: Re: Favorite play of night-Was Robert Williams and not a dunk
Post by: playdream on July 07, 2019, 09:37:43 AM
Well, there was a lot of nice basketball from RWill, but it seriously blows my mind that he won that Defensive Player of the year award.

Check out his awareness starting at 6.46 - three bad moves: doesn't check his man when the handoff happens (although isn't in too bad position - lucky), late to the drive contest - just literally ball watching, then late to recover and stupidly tries to snatch a steal that wasn't there, loses position. Still needs a LOT of work. Also, his offensive rebounding effort comes and goes.

Tacko's defense was actually pretty good all night. I hope he gets a 2-way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df5g_3SsB7k
People will find any opportunity to bash this young man

Yes it's a obvious bad play on TL, but it's rare and for a guy who barely played last season in his first SUMMER game of the season it's totally acceptable

I'm not bashing, just trying to get everyone to calm down a little. He needs to do a lot of work. A lot. People are calling him for him to have the starting job...

Agree with this. Actually all the hype probably contributes to the problem. People are saying he’s ready to be a beast. He’s not. It’s disappointing if you compare the body of his on-court work to his very best plays or what his boosters promise.

We may need to wait at least another year before he’s ready for rotation minutes, and then we also have to understand that if he earns minutes on a contender that’s something we should be excited about - like found money- not something to take for granted or that he’s already earned.
Last year when he got real rotation minutes he schooled AD and lead a 18-0 run, and people point to one bad play saying he ain't ready , give this kid a break
Title: Re: Favorite play of night-Was Robert Williams and not a dunk
Post by: ederson on July 07, 2019, 09:38:30 AM
Well, there was a lot of nice basketball from RWill, but it seriously blows my mind that he won that Defensive Player of the year award.

Check out his awareness starting at 6.46 - three bad moves: doesn't check his man when the handoff happens (although isn't in too bad position - lucky), late to the drive contest - just literally ball watching, then late to recover and stupidly tries to snatch a steal that wasn't there, loses position. Still needs a LOT of work. Also, his offensive rebounding effort comes and goes.

Tacko's defense was actually pretty good all night. I hope he gets a 2-way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df5g_3SsB7k
People will find any opportunity to bash this young man

Yes it's a obvious bad play on TL, but it's rare and for a guy who barely played last season in his first SUMMER game of the season it's totally acceptable

I'm not bashing, just trying to get everyone to calm down a little. He needs to do a lot of work. A lot. People are calling him for him to have the starting job...
You singled out his one bad play and make it a big deal, just tell me which 2nd year player didn't need a lot work?

If that is bashing how do you call celebrating a pass in a summer league game?
Title: Re: Favorite play of night-Was Robert Williams and not a dunk
Post by: playdream on July 07, 2019, 09:39:18 AM
If Rob Will can become like Clint Capela then the search for the next Celtics big man is over.

Right now Celts are still one move away from being a legit contender.

I think the Celts are better off trading for a player like Bradley Beal than for a big like Capela.

I think the cs are development away from being a contender.  No need to trade for beal or anyone else right now.  Develop the young guys and see what you have.

Boston Herald's Bulpett said the Celts are not done dealing.

So we'll see what happens.
Heard it's Brown for Draymond , i am no fan of Brown but i don't know i want Draymond either
Title: Re: Favorite play of night-Was Robert Williams and not a dunk
Post by: jambr380 on July 07, 2019, 09:41:05 AM
Well, there was a lot of nice basketball from RWill, but it seriously blows my mind that he won that Defensive Player of the year award.

Check out his awareness starting at 6.46 - three bad moves: doesn't check his man when the handoff happens (although isn't in too bad position - lucky), late to the drive contest - just literally ball watching, then late to recover and stupidly tries to snatch a steal that wasn't there, loses position. Still needs a LOT of work. Also, his offensive rebounding effort comes and goes.

Tacko's defense was actually pretty good all night. I hope he gets a 2-way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df5g_3SsB7k
People will find any opportunity to bash this young man

Yes it's a obvious bad play on TL, but it's rare and for a guy who barely played last season in his first SUMMER game of the season it's totally acceptable

I'm not bashing, just trying to get everyone to calm down a little. He needs to do a lot of work. A lot. People are calling him for him to have the starting job...

There are some people calling for this, but it is not realistic. If you ignore those folks and look at what TL may potentially become, you can be a lot more optimistic about him. Also, Kanter, Theis, and Poirier are easily ahead of him on the depth chart.

My biggest concern moving forward is his motor - not that he isn't showing it now, but he could become frustrated at a lack of playing time after putting in [what he thinks is] so much work - still almost 3 months before training camp, too. He obviously has a long way to go - and I think that is okay as a big man. If he lacked such basic instincts (cue Sharon Stone) as a guard or wing, I would say he is toast, but I think he can develop just fine if given the time. His measurements are absolutely off the charts. He just has to want it.
Title: Re: Favorite play of night-Was Robert Williams and not a dunk
Post by: playdream on July 07, 2019, 09:41:34 AM
Well, there was a lot of nice basketball from RWill, but it seriously blows my mind that he won that Defensive Player of the year award.

Check out his awareness starting at 6.46 - three bad moves: doesn't check his man when the handoff happens (although isn't in too bad position - lucky), late to the drive contest - just literally ball watching, then late to recover and stupidly tries to snatch a steal that wasn't there, loses position. Still needs a LOT of work. Also, his offensive rebounding effort comes and goes.

Tacko's defense was actually pretty good all night. I hope he gets a 2-way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df5g_3SsB7k
People will find any opportunity to bash this young man

Yes it's a obvious bad play on TL, but it's rare and for a guy who barely played last season in his first SUMMER game of the season it's totally acceptable

I'm not bashing, just trying to get everyone to calm down a little. He needs to do a lot of work. A lot. People are calling him for him to have the starting job...
You singled out his one bad play and make it a big deal, just tell me which 2nd year player didn't need a lot work?

If that is bashing how do you call celebrating a pass in summer league game?
What's wrong celebrating a very nice pass by a Big man in summer league game?
Title: Re: Favorite play of night-Was Robert Williams and not a dunk
Post by: ederson on July 07, 2019, 09:44:08 AM
What is wrong??? It is meaningless! N

What's wrong stating that he is not ready to start in the NBA?
Title: Re: Favorite play of night-Was Robert Williams and not a dunk
Post by: Sophomore on July 07, 2019, 10:21:29 AM
Well, there was a lot of nice basketball from RWill, but it seriously blows my mind that he won that Defensive Player of the year award.

Check out his awareness starting at 6.46 - three bad moves: doesn't check his man when the handoff happens (although isn't in too bad position - lucky), late to the drive contest - just literally ball watching, then late to recover and stupidly tries to snatch a steal that wasn't there, loses position. Still needs a LOT of work. Also, his offensive rebounding effort comes and goes.

Tacko's defense was actually pretty good all night. I hope he gets a 2-way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df5g_3SsB7k
People will find any opportunity to bash this young man

Yes it's a obvious bad play on TL, but it's rare and for a guy who barely played last season in his first SUMMER game of the season it's totally acceptable

I'm not bashing, just trying to get everyone to calm down a little. He needs to do a lot of work. A lot. People are calling him for him to have the starting job...

Agree with this. Actually all the hype probably contributes to the problem. People are saying he’s ready to be a beast. He’s not. It’s disappointing if you compare the body of his on-court work to his very best plays or what his boosters promise.

We may need to wait at least another year before he’s ready for rotation minutes, and then we also have to understand that if he earns minutes on a contender that’s something we should be excited about - like found money- not something to take for granted or that he’s already earned.
Last year when he got real rotation minutes he schooled AD and lead a 18-0 run, and people point to one bad play saying he ain't ready , give this kid a break

So this right here is what ppl are reacting to. The idea that RW is ready to school a top-ten player and led an 18-0 run.

I watched that game. I saw RW get those blocks - it was great. I also saw AD adjust to him and score. I saw RW leave his man to chase a block and allow an easy dunk. I saw RW pick and roll when the play called for a pick and pop.

The good plays happened. So did the bad ones.
Title: Re: Favorite play of night-Was Robert Williams and not a dunk
Post by: Celtics4ever on July 07, 2019, 11:05:22 AM
Quote
The good plays happened. So did the bad ones.

This is true of most rookies, and he is especially wise.

But don't be talent-blind,  man, he has tons of potential and athletic ability that can't be taught.
Title: Re: Favorite play of night-Was Robert Williams and not a dunk
Post by: rollie mass on July 07, 2019, 12:00:41 PM
Summer league is about fun for fans and these guys only have played a week together-no wonder there were blown assignments and confusion reigned
.As OP i was specific to the play and why i liked it The other day my favorite was Romeo and a shooting coach at far end of court alone trying to rework his shot.
Title: Re: Favorite play of night-Was Robert Williams and not a dunk
Post by: wiley on July 07, 2019, 12:16:49 PM
If Rob Will can become like Clint Capela then the search for the next Celtics big man is over.

Right now Celts are still one move away from being a legit contender.

I think the Celts are better off trading for a player like Bradley Beal than for a big like Capela.

I think the cs are development away from being a contender.  No need to trade for beal or anyone else right now.  Develop the young guys and see what you have.

Boston Herald's Bulpett said the Celts are not done dealing.

So we'll see what happens.
Heard it's Brown for Draymond , i am no fan of Brown but i don't know i want Draymond either

Would be hard to say bye to Brown and watch him thrive elsewhere, but if we want to be a team in contention this year, that would be the trade to make.  How do you match salaries on that one? 
Title: Re: Favorite play of night-Was Robert Williams and not a dunk
Post by: zeitgeist49 on July 07, 2019, 01:27:15 PM
It would be difficult to match salaries in a Brown for Green trade. Although it would be enticing to have Green b/c he is a game changer on D, he clearly has baggage. I can easily envision Green getting in Tatum's face or anyone else, who isn't regularly giving 100% effort on every play or missing assignments. I don't think it's a risk worth taking, given what divisiveness the team experienced last year. And besides, Brown is younger and perhaps we haven't seen his ceiling yet.
Title: Re: Favorite play of night-Was Robert Williams and not a dunk
Post by: Silas on July 07, 2019, 01:36:49 PM
And besides, Brown is younger and perhaps we haven't seen his ceiling yet.

I hope not!  Seven years younger than Green.  I don't make this trade.  The Cs need a stud center not another wing.
Title: Re: Favorite play of night-Was Robert Williams and not a dunk
Post by: erisred on July 07, 2019, 03:10:45 PM
I had to replay that play twice to make sure I saw what I thought I saw. :)

Overall, I think Rob showed a lot of promise, but like others have posted, I don't think he's ready to start. To play 10 to 15 minutes, yes, but as 2nd or 3rd big off the bench. 

No one brings it up, but I still think Robert isn't going to have the stamina to play 20+ minutes over a full season/playoffs until he has the operation on his legs. I really do think the vein impingement is holding him back during games.

Title: Re: Favorite play of night-Was Robert Williams and not a dunk
Post by: rollie mass on July 07, 2019, 03:11:11 PM
Summer league is about fun for fans and these guys only have played a week together-no wonder there were blown assignments and confusion reigned
.As OP i was specific to the play and why i liked it The other day my favorite was Romeo and a shooting coach at far end of court alone trying to rework his shot.
Found another Williams play this was a slashing put back dunk that came out of nowhere and was over in a blink I think this endurance program and loss of weight has made him quicker

Also a thought playing with all the rookies and players just put together to show themselves  is probably harder than playing with rotation teammates that are cohesive and know each others strengths and weaknesses.

Robert was facing a 7-4 center that had wingspan and hops.Robert after making some nice moves in the paint and showing patience got blocked a couple times at rim-he even laughed about it with the Sixer center.

 Ederson don't confuse this as he should start or could start but the kid has talent.and is young.
AND THIS IS SUMMER LEAGUE.
Title: Re: Favorite play of night-Was Robert Williams and not a dunk
Post by: playdream on July 07, 2019, 03:13:01 PM
First to say i don't like Green's personality too, and if Danny decide to not want him it will be because Green will challenge Brad and Brad don't want that

But it does make some sense to swap Brown for Green and go for title now

1.Brown is younger, can develope into better than Green but it also means he is still not there, and Kemba and Hayward are both around 30 and in their prime

2.Championships are never won by 23 years but by veterans in their prime, if you wait for Brown and Tatum it's very possible you come out short and waste Kemba and Hayward's prime

3.You compete for title by Kemba(1)+Hayward(2)+Tatum(3)+Green(4)+Kanter(5)+Smart(6th)
Too many mouth problem solved, even if you fail you will still have Smart in his 30 and Tatum in his 26

4.as long as Brad is the coach and Danny is the GM you don't have to worry about talent incoming while stay competitive, we already know Star Free Agents wants to come here
Title: Re: Favorite play of night-Was Robert Williams and not a dunk
Post by: ederson on July 07, 2019, 03:31:02 PM
Summer league is about fun for fans and these guys only have played a week together-no wonder there were blown assignments and confusion reigned
.As OP i was specific to the play and why i liked it The other day my favorite was Romeo and a shooting coach at far end of court alone trying to rework his shot.
Found another Williams play this was a slashing put back dunk that came out of nowhere and was over in a blink I think this endurance program and loss of weight has made him quicker

Also a thought playing with all the rookies and players just put together to show themselves  is probably harder than playing with rotation teammates that are cohesive and know each others strengths and weaknesses.

Robert was facing a 7-4 center that had wingspan and hops.Robert after making some nice moves in the paint and showing patience got blocked a couple times at rim-he even laughed about it with the Sixer center.

 Ederson don't confuse this as he should start or could start but the kid has talent.and is young.
AND THIS IS SUMMER LEAGUE.

I am waiting for the next thread about Williams waking up early and another one about him going to the grocery store by himself.

You fail to realise that the posts are against your unreasonable hype and not against Williams.
Title: Re: Favorite play of night-Was Robert Williams and not a dunk
Post by: mmmmm on July 07, 2019, 05:36:45 PM
Well, there was a lot of nice basketball from RWill, but it seriously blows my mind that he won that Defensive Player of the year award.

Check out his awareness starting at 6.46 - three bad moves: doesn't check his man when the handoff happens (although isn't in too bad position - lucky), late to the drive contest - just literally ball watching, then late to recover and stupidly tries to snatch a steal that wasn't there, loses position. Still needs a LOT of work. Also, his offensive rebounding effort comes and goes.

Tacko's defense was actually pretty good all night. I hope he gets a 2-way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df5g_3SsB7k
Yes, there's currently some "irrational exuberance" surrounding Rob Williams.  He has a long way to go on both sides of the ball.  He clearly doesn't not have a grasp of team defense yet.  On the other side, his mid-range jumper is not reliable and he has no post game at all.  Any notion of him starting at center is just wishful thinking.

He also doesn't show much physicality. Looks like he's trying to avoid contact most of the time.

Pelle, on the Sixers, to me was a better defender.

Pelle is 26 years old.  He's a lot more experienced than any of the bigs we put on the floor in this game.  He's one of those players who always seems on the edge of making it in the NBA, every year.  Maybe this year.
Title: Re: Favorite play of night-Was Robert Williams and not a dunk
Post by: mmmmm on July 07, 2019, 05:44:24 PM
I had to replay that play twice to make sure I saw what I thought I saw. :)

Overall, I think Rob showed a lot of promise, but like others have posted, I don't think he's ready to start. To play 10 to 15 minutes, yes, but as 2nd or 3rd big off the bench. 

No one brings it up, but I still think Robert isn't going to have the stamina to play 20+ minutes over a full season/playoffs until he has the operation on his legs. I really do think the vein impingement is holding him back during games.

I think it's silly at this point to say RW will or won't be "ready to start".   This is the first SL game.   It's just one step in a long road before we even should begin to worry about whether he should be starting or not.   Let's at least see how the kid (as well as the other players) look after they've had a chance to get past the first-game jitters and learned how to play with each other.   That usually happens somewhere around the last couple of games of Summer League.

Making predictions now, positive or negative, is just not really based on anything.
Title: Re: Favorite play of night-Was Robert Williams and not a dunk
Post by: wiley on July 07, 2019, 05:44:49 PM
I noticed the same play the OP pointed out.  Good show of skill there by Robert.

In any case, he's a youngster.  He's going to need 2 more years of seasoning and then we can think about whether or not he's qualified to start in the NBA...

For now, pointing out the positives is great...
Title: Re: Favorite play of night-Was Robert Williams and not a dunk
Post by: rollie mass on July 08, 2019, 04:24:44 AM
The knee vein impingement is definitely the monster in the closet.
I would like to say it was playing under game conditions that everybody coming back goes through  before getting a 2nd wind.I will never forget" two a days" practices that Rollie Massimino put us through coming back.
 Even after the summer of full court outdoors pick up games in the August heat and running the dunes at Cranes Beach with ankle weights and a weight vest.Nothing prepares a young center for competitive games with everybody playing like kamikazes looking to get noticed.Waters,Grant Williams,Carson Edwards i think Williams remembered going out the first day last year and just wanted at times to survive the Demo Derby.
Waters used the court like a water slide,Williams knocked down 5 players while Edwards was like the Tazmanian devil bodying up guards bringing in backcourt or boxing out bigs with his low center of gravity and core strength.
Nobody cares about fouls-you get 10.

There were definite times that Williams could/should have gone up a gear getting back but i think he thought there was coverage.

i thought Roberts court awareness showed in his passing more than several times-the over the shoulder pass out of the paint to wing after he had been blocked twice previous at rim a couple more cross court passes and a subtle misdirection fake and pass to the corner..
Williams did not bang down low or turn and block and i took it as a positive that he started taking mid range but Morrison didn't.

Ederson your attempts to temper expectations by belaboring the negative just doesn't suit Summer League, as it is an arena of potential and attributes that can be built on and negatives corrected.
Title: Re: Favorite play of night-Was Robert Williams and not a dunk
Post by: rollie mass on July 08, 2019, 04:31:51 AM
Summer league is about fun for fans and these guys only have played a week together-no wonder there were blown assignments and confusion reigned
.As OP i was specific to the play and why i liked it The other day my favorite was Romeo and a shooting coach at far end of court alone trying to rework his shot.
Found another Williams play this was a slashing put back dunk that came out of nowhere and was over in a blink and it turned out it was off the backboard by Waters I think this endurance program and loss of weight has made him quicker .

Also a thought playing with all the rookies and players just put together to show themselves  is probably harder than playing with rotation teammates that are cohesive and know each others strengths and weaknesses.

Robert was facing a 7-4 center that had wingspan and hops.Robert after making some nice moves in the paint and showing patience got blocked a couple times at rim-he even laughed about it with the Sixer center.

 Ederson don't confuse this as he should start or could start but the kid has talent.and is young.
AND THIS IS SUMMER LEAGUE.

I am waiting for the next thread about Williams waking up early and another one about him going to the grocery store by himself.

You fail to realise that the posts are against your unreasonable hype and not against Williams.

"Sarcasm is angers ugly cousin"-Jack Nicholson
Title: Re: Favorite play of night-Was Robert Williams and not a dunk
Post by: playdream on July 08, 2019, 06:21:15 AM
Summer league is about fun for fans and these guys only have played a week together-no wonder there were blown assignments and confusion reigned
.As OP i was specific to the play and why i liked it The other day my favorite was Romeo and a shooting coach at far end of court alone trying to rework his shot.
Found another Williams play this was a slashing put back dunk that came out of nowhere and was over in a blink I think this endurance program and loss of weight has made him quicker

Also a thought playing with all the rookies and players just put together to show themselves  is probably harder than playing with rotation teammates that are cohesive and know each others strengths and weaknesses.

Robert was facing a 7-4 center that had wingspan and hops.Robert after making some nice moves in the paint and showing patience got blocked a couple times at rim-he even laughed about it with the Sixer center.

 Ederson don't confuse this as he should start or could start but the kid has talent.and is young.
AND THIS IS SUMMER LEAGUE.

I am waiting for the next thread about Williams waking up early and another one about him going to the grocery store by himself.

You fail to realise that the posts are against your unreasonable hype and not against Williams.
Calling a good play a good play is not an unreasonable hype
Title: Re: Favorite play of night-Was Robert Williams and not a dunk
Post by: ederson on July 08, 2019, 07:49:26 AM
The Daily threads are
Title: Re: Favorite play of night-Was Robert Williams and not a dunk
Post by: philr13 on July 08, 2019, 08:05:59 AM
Well, there was a lot of nice basketball from RWill, but it seriously blows my mind that he won that Defensive Player of the year award.

Check out his awareness starting at 6.46 - three bad moves: doesn't check his man when the handoff happens (although isn't in too bad position - lucky), late to the drive contest - just literally ball watching, then late to recover and stupidly tries to snatch a steal that wasn't there, loses position. Still needs a LOT of work. Also, his offensive rebounding effort comes and goes.

Tacko's defense was actually pretty good all night. I hope he gets a 2-way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df5g_3SsB7k
Yes, there's currently some "irrational exuberance" surrounding Rob Williams.  He has a long way to go on both sides of the ball.  He clearly doesn't not have a grasp of team defense yet.  On the other side, his mid-range jumper is not reliable and he has no post game at all.  Any notion of him starting at center is just wishful thinking.

He also doesn't show much physicality. Looks like he's trying to avoid contact most of the time.

Pelle, on the Sixers, to me was a better defender.

Pelle is 26 years old.  He's a lot more experienced than any of the bigs we put on the floor in this game.  He's one of those players who always seems on the edge of making it in the NBA, every year.  Maybe this year.

That's the thing about Summer League. Everyone is looking at the young players, but there are always some older players like Pelle who are fighting for a job.

RWilliams basically didn't play last year. It's great to see him getting some run this Summer, but he has played very very little competitive basketball in over a year. Talk of him starting is premature to say the least. I wouldn't be surprised to see him in Maine for part of this season. It's what should have happened last season, but Baynes and Horford couldn't stay in the lineup consistently, causing the Celtics to keep Williams on the bench just in case he was needed.

He is essentially a rookie this year.
Title: Re: Favorite play of night-Was Robert Williams and not a dunk
Post by: rollie mass on July 08, 2019, 08:49:59 AM
This is Summer League! not the real work that gets put in after all the attention seeking is over and back at Auerbach Center with trainers and coaches .
Williams is working on endurance i'm surprised at the weight loss but he did look quicker off the mark.
The bonding here is important Williams is so young and has so much to learn.Its good he is surrounded by young hard workers
Embid had two season off just some light shooting and Simmons one year off.

Williams it is about potential and controlled experiences .Langford is young and played hurt last season or was a likely top five .He is fluid, has a good frame has the length and wingspan and now they are working on his shot.There is no rush.
He is a project,Williams is a project.
Carson Edwards is not a project He can produce and defend but is STILL a rookie and has yet to play against the Marcus Smarts of the league .Or been game planned against.This is summer league not NBA prime time.
The NBA is the best in the world very few players have the luxury of playing for a contender and the coaching that can move them along properly.
So lets have fun again tonight
Title: Re: Favorite play of night-Was Robert Williams and not a dunk
Post by: moiso on July 08, 2019, 10:08:22 AM
Well, there was a lot of nice basketball from RWill, but it seriously blows my mind that he won that Defensive Player of the year award.

Check out his awareness starting at 6.46 - three bad moves: doesn't check his man when the handoff happens (although isn't in too bad position - lucky), late to the drive contest - just literally ball watching, then late to recover and stupidly tries to snatch a steal that wasn't there, loses position. Still needs a LOT of work. Also, his offensive rebounding effort comes and goes.

Tacko's defense was actually pretty good all night. I hope he gets a 2-way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df5g_3SsB7k
Yes, there's currently some "irrational exuberance" surrounding Rob Williams.  He has a long way to go on both sides of the ball.  He clearly doesn't not have a grasp of team defense yet.  On the other side, his mid-range jumper is not reliable and he has no post game at all.  Any notion of him starting at center is just wishful thinking.

He also doesn't show much physicality. Looks like he's trying to avoid contact most of the time.

Pelle, on the Sixers, to me was a better defender.

Pelle is 26 years old.  He's a lot more experienced than any of the bigs we put on the floor in this game.  He's one of those players who always seems on the edge of making it in the NBA, every year.  Maybe this year.

That's the thing about Summer League. Everyone is looking at the young players, but there are always some older players like Pelle who are fighting for a job.

RWilliams basically didn't play last year. It's great to see him getting some run this Summer, but he has played very very little competitive basketball in over a year. Talk of him starting is premature to say the least. I wouldn't be surprised to see him in Maine for part of this season. It's what should have happened last season, but Baynes and Horford couldn't stay in the lineup consistently, causing the Celtics to keep Williams on the bench just in case he was needed.

He is essentially a rookie this year.
So when someone on another team like Ben Simmons redshirts their first year everyone here calls his second year his second year.  When a Celtic actually plays in his rookie year some people call his second year his rookie year...

Langford would have been a top 5 pick?  Never heard that before.
Title: Re: Favorite play of night-Was Robert Williams and not a dunk
Post by: gouki88 on July 08, 2019, 10:10:05 AM
Well, there was a lot of nice basketball from RWill, but it seriously blows my mind that he won that Defensive Player of the year award.

Check out his awareness starting at 6.46 - three bad moves: doesn't check his man when the handoff happens (although isn't in too bad position - lucky), late to the drive contest - just literally ball watching, then late to recover and stupidly tries to snatch a steal that wasn't there, loses position. Still needs a LOT of work. Also, his offensive rebounding effort comes and goes.

Tacko's defense was actually pretty good all night. I hope he gets a 2-way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df5g_3SsB7k
Yes, there's currently some "irrational exuberance" surrounding Rob Williams.  He has a long way to go on both sides of the ball.  He clearly doesn't not have a grasp of team defense yet.  On the other side, his mid-range jumper is not reliable and he has no post game at all.  Any notion of him starting at center is just wishful thinking.

He also doesn't show much physicality. Looks like he's trying to avoid contact most of the time.

Pelle, on the Sixers, to me was a better defender.

Pelle is 26 years old.  He's a lot more experienced than any of the bigs we put on the floor in this game.  He's one of those players who always seems on the edge of making it in the NBA, every year.  Maybe this year.

That's the thing about Summer League. Everyone is looking at the young players, but there are always some older players like Pelle who are fighting for a job.

RWilliams basically didn't play last year. It's great to see him getting some run this Summer, but he has played very very little competitive basketball in over a year. Talk of him starting is premature to say the least. I wouldn't be surprised to see him in Maine for part of this season. It's what should have happened last season, but Baynes and Horford couldn't stay in the lineup consistently, causing the Celtics to keep Williams on the bench just in case he was needed.

He is essentially a rookie this year.
So when someone on another team like Ben Simmons redshirts their first year everyone here calls his second year his second year.  When a Celtic actually plays in his rookie year some people call his second year his rookie year...

Langford would have been a top 5 pick?  Never heard that before.
Probably basing it off his top-5 high school status
Title: Re: Favorite play of night-Was Robert Williams and not a dunk
Post by: RockinRyA on July 08, 2019, 10:52:45 AM
Well, there was a lot of nice basketball from RWill, but it seriously blows my mind that he won that Defensive Player of the year award.

Check out his awareness starting at 6.46 - three bad moves: doesn't check his man when the handoff happens (although isn't in too bad position - lucky), late to the drive contest - just literally ball watching, then late to recover and stupidly tries to snatch a steal that wasn't there, loses position. Still needs a LOT of work. Also, his offensive rebounding effort comes and goes.

Tacko's defense was actually pretty good all night. I hope he gets a 2-way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df5g_3SsB7k
Yes, there's currently some "irrational exuberance" surrounding Rob Williams.  He has a long way to go on both sides of the ball.  He clearly doesn't not have a grasp of team defense yet.  On the other side, his mid-range jumper is not reliable and he has no post game at all.  Any notion of him starting at center is just wishful thinking.

He also doesn't show much physicality. Looks like he's trying to avoid contact most of the time.

Pelle, on the Sixers, to me was a better defender.

Pelle is 26 years old.  He's a lot more experienced than any of the bigs we put on the floor in this game.  He's one of those players who always seems on the edge of making it in the NBA, every year.  Maybe this year.

That's the thing about Summer League. Everyone is looking at the young players, but there are always some older players like Pelle who are fighting for a job.

RWilliams basically didn't play last year. It's great to see him getting some run this Summer, but he has played very very little competitive basketball in over a year. Talk of him starting is premature to say the least. I wouldn't be surprised to see him in Maine for part of this season. It's what should have happened last season, but Baynes and Horford couldn't stay in the lineup consistently, causing the Celtics to keep Williams on the bench just in case he was needed.

He is essentially a rookie this year.
So when someone on another team like Ben Simmons redshirts their first year everyone here calls his second year his second year.  When a Celtic actually plays in his rookie year some people call his second year his rookie year...

Langford would have been a top 5 pick?  Never heard that before.

Different circumstances. Simmons being called out was because he was vying for an award wherein he has an advantage over guys just coming in.

Williams being basically a rookie is in comparison to the experience advantage that guys like Pelle have on him.

If Williams was going to be the rookie of the year, there would be questions here in this board.
Title: Re: Favorite play of night-Was Robert Williams and not a dunk
Post by: Surferdad on July 08, 2019, 11:22:32 AM
...

Also a thought playing with all the rookies and players just put together to show themselves  is probably harder than playing with rotation teammates that are cohesive and know each others strengths and weaknesses.
...
This is why GRANT WILLIAMS is going to look good and make the big club this upcoming season.  Once he gets away from other rookies, he is going to shine.  His BB-IQ is way beyond his peers.
Title: Re: Favorite play of night-Was Robert Williams and not a dunk
Post by: Eddie20 on July 08, 2019, 11:57:31 AM
Well, there was a lot of nice basketball from RWill, but it seriously blows my mind that he won that Defensive Player of the year award.

Check out his awareness starting at 6.46 - three bad moves: doesn't check his man when the handoff happens (although isn't in too bad position - lucky), late to the drive contest - just literally ball watching, then late to recover and stupidly tries to snatch a steal that wasn't there, loses position. Still needs a LOT of work. Also, his offensive rebounding effort comes and goes.

Tacko's defense was actually pretty good all night. I hope he gets a 2-way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df5g_3SsB7k
People will find any opportunity to bash this young man

Yes it's a obvious bad play on TL, but it's rare and for a guy who barely played last season in his first SUMMER game of the season it's totally acceptable

I'm not bashing, just trying to get everyone to calm down a little. He needs to do a lot of work. A lot. People are calling him for him to have the starting job...

Agree with this. Actually all the hype probably contributes to the problem. People are saying he’s ready to be a beast. He’s not. It’s disappointing if you compare the body of his on-court work to his very best plays or what his boosters promise.

We may need to wait at least another year before he’s ready for rotation minutes, and then we also have to understand that if he earns minutes on a contender that’s something we should be excited about - like found money- not something to take for granted or that he’s already earned.
Last year when he got real rotation minutes he schooled AD and lead a 18-0 run, and people point to one bad play saying he ain't ready , give this kid a break

If memory serves me, weren’t you also one of the ones raving about Semi and proclaim he would get major minutes during his second season? If so, then the overhyping of Williams, particularly in the game vs AD, is not uncommon. I mean Conner Henry dunked on Dr. J and if that happens today those that love to exaggerate would lose their collective minds.
Title: Re: Favorite play of night-Was Robert Williams and not a dunk
Post by: rollie mass on July 08, 2019, 12:15:27 PM
Well, there was a lot of nice basketball from RWill, but it seriously blows my mind that he won that Defensive Player of the year award.

Check out his awareness starting at 6.46 - three bad moves: doesn't check his man when the handoff happens (although isn't in too bad position - lucky), late to the drive contest - just literally ball watching, then late to recover and stupidly tries to snatch a steal that wasn't there, loses position. Still needs a LOT of work. Also, his offensive rebounding effort comes and goes.

Tacko's defense was actually pretty good all night. I hope he gets a 2-way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df5g_3SsB7k
Yes, there's currently some "irrational exuberance" surrounding Rob Williams.  He has a long way to go on both sides of the ball.  He clearly doesn't not have a grasp of team defense yet.  On the other side, his mid-range jumper is not reliable and he has no post game at all.  Any notion of him starting at center is just wishful thinking.

He also doesn't show much physicality. Looks like he's trying to avoid contact most of the time.

Pelle, on the Sixers, to me was a better defender.

Pelle is 26 years old.  He's a lot more experienced than any of the bigs we put on the floor in this game.  He's one of those players who always seems on the edge of making it in the NBA, every year.  Maybe this year.

That's the thing about Summer League. Everyone is looking at the young players, but there are always some older players like Pelle who are fighting for a job.

RWilliams basically didn't play last year. It's great to see him getting some run this Summer, but he has played very very little competitive basketball in over a year. Talk of him starting is premature to say the least. I wouldn't be surprised to see him in Maine for part of this season. It's what should have happened last season, but Baynes and Horford couldn't stay in the lineup consistently, causing the Celtics to keep Williams on the bench just in case he was needed.

He is essentially a rookie this year.
So when someone on another team like Ben Simmons redshirts their first year everyone here calls his second year his second year.  When a Celtic actually plays in his rookie year some people call his second year his rookie year...

Langford would have been a top 5 pick?  Never heard that before.

ESPN had him at 5 and an aggregated of mock drafts had him at 7.Most drafts had him in top 10 These included ESPN,SI,The Athletic,Bleacher Report and NBAdraft.net. at 13
Title: Re: Favorite play of night-Was Robert Williams and not a dunk
Post by: footey on July 08, 2019, 03:02:39 PM
Cool article about play where Waters through lob off backboard for TL to finish, with coach's approval:

https://www.masslive.com/celtics/2019/07/robert-williams-on-the-off-the-backboard-alley-oop-from-tremont-waters-that-s-t-wasnt-planned.html

Title: Robert Williams summer league highlights
Post by: CelticsElite on July 08, 2019, 11:26:30 PM
Some exciting and encouraging growth and development clearly visible

Game 1: https://youtu.be/7fRuvwmNa48

https://twitter.com/celtics/status/1148409235383803905?s=20
Title: Re: Robert Williams summer league highlights
Post by: Tr1boy on July 08, 2019, 11:29:20 PM
Game 1: https://youtu.be/7fRuvwmNa48

https://twitter.com/celtics/status/1148409235383803905?s=20

Impressive game
Title: Re: Favorite play of night-Was Robert Williams and not a dunk
Post by: rollie mass on July 09, 2019, 05:58:36 AM
Favorite plays of night were the multiple times R Williams went after loose balls with flat out aggressive  going to ground and a rip, not just crumples or half hearted attempts.The kind that said the game means something or his teammates playing hard so would he.

I really couldn't believe my eyes on one flat out skidding dive ala Cowens .Is this from his working on
endurance or a switched on mindset .There were three plays that may have been seen in practice but never in the limited minutes he got that we could watch.

Posters have been right his boxing out had been non committal but today he made an obvious move to put a body on closest man(not as aggressive  as i was taught) but an improvement,

The attempted steal from behind with an aggressive burst from half court, along with last games jump the lane steal and a euro step finish have shown a side of Williams that has never been seen in the few minutes he got last season.
There even was an attempt of a around the back dribble in a transition drive to the hoop(he forced it)  but we have never had an opportunity to see his athleticism except with blocks or dunks.He also attacked a closeout to with a wide open dribble drive to a reverse dunk.

Ederson won't like this but i did.
Title: Re: Favorite play of night-Was Robert Williams and not a dunk
Post by: Surferdad on July 09, 2019, 07:13:07 AM
Favorite plays of night were the multiple times R Williams went after loose balls with flat out aggressive  going to ground and a rip, not just crumples or half hearted attempts.The kind that said the game means something or his teammates playing hard so would he.

I really couldn't believe my eyes on one flat out skidding dive ala Cowens .Is this from his working on
endurance or a switched on mindset .There were three plays that may have been seen in practice but never in the limited minutes he got that we could watch.

Posters have been right his boxing out had been non committal but today he made an obvious move to put a body on closest man(not as aggressive  as i was taught) but an improvement,

The attempted steal from behind with an aggressive burst from half court, along with last games jump the lane steal and a euro step finish have shown a side of Williams that has never been seen in the few minutes he got last season.
There even was an attempt of a around the back dribble in a transition drive to the hoop(he forced it)  but we have never had an opportunity to see his athleticism except with blocks or dunks.He also attacked a closeout to with a wide open dribble drive to a reverse dunk.

Ederson won't like this but i did.
rollie, Yes he was much more active and showing his athleticism vs the Cavs.  I continue to be VERY encouraged by R-Will's progress and upside.  BUT, he still has a lot of holes in his game, on both sides of the ball.  Therefore, he still seems like a rookie to me and it's hard to envision him getting much more than 10-15 mpg.  This is a season of learning and gaining experience.  He could contribute in a more significant way in 2020-2021 season.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: jambr380 on July 09, 2019, 07:23:20 AM
I'm sure glad I got this message after finishing a fairly lengthy post about Timelord:
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The topic or board you are looking for appears to be either missing or off limits to you.

Sigh - merge strikes again. Since the original thread is over a year old and over 120 pages(!), it is probably okay if there is a new 2019-20 one. I guess I'll just say, I agree with you rollie. He looks great out there.
Title: Re: Favorite play of night-Was Robert Williams and not a dunk
Post by: Sophomore on July 09, 2019, 08:13:27 AM
Favorite plays of night were the multiple times R Williams went after loose balls with flat out aggressive  going to ground and a rip, not just crumples or half hearted attempts.The kind that said the game means something or his teammates playing hard so would he.

I really couldn't believe my eyes on one flat out skidding dive ala Cowens .Is this from his working on
endurance or a switched on mindset .There were three plays that may have been seen in practice but never in the limited minutes he got that we could watch.

Posters have been right his boxing out had been non committal but today he made an obvious move to put a body on closest man(not as aggressive  as i was taught) but an improvement,

The attempted steal from behind with an aggressive burst from half court, along with last games jump the lane steal and a euro step finish have shown a side of Williams that has never been seen in the few minutes he got last season.
There even was an attempt of a around the back dribble in a transition drive to the hoop(he forced it)  but we have never had an opportunity to see his athleticism except with blocks or dunks.He also attacked a closeout to with a wide open dribble drive to a reverse dunk.

Ederson won't like this but i did.
rollie, Yes he was much more active and showing his athleticism vs the Cavs.  I continue to be VERY encouraged by R-Will's progress and upside.  BUT, he still has a lot of holes in his game, on both sides of the ball.  Therefore, he still seems like a rookie to me and it's hard to envision him getting much more than 10-15 mpg.  This is a season of learning and gaining experience.  He could contribute in a more significant way in 2020-2021 season.

Agree with surferdad. Loved the hustle, did not love a good amount of the decisionmaking.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: IDreamCeltics on July 09, 2019, 09:21:15 AM
Vs. Cleveland... 10 pts on 4/9 shooting, 2 rebs, 1 ast, 1 stl, 2 blks in 18 minutes.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: nickagneta on July 09, 2019, 10:07:56 AM
Vs. Cleveland... 10 pts on 4/9 shooting, 2 rebs, 1 ast, 1 stl, 2 blks in 18 minutes.
Is this supposed to tell a story of Williams playing well? Because I saw the game and thought Williams often looked lost out there and was decidedly unimpressive versus the likes of a sorry looking bunch of players that may have trouble making it in the G League.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: slamtheking on July 09, 2019, 10:28:37 AM
Vs. Cleveland... 10 pts on 4/9 shooting, 2 rebs, 1 ast, 1 stl, 2 blks in 18 minutes.
Is this supposed to tell a story of Williams playing well? Because I saw the game and thought Williams often looked lost out there and was decidedly unimpressive versus the likes of a sorry looking bunch of players that may have trouble making it in the G League.
I had a similar takeaway from the game.  Timelord needs a lot of work.  He's ok when defending his man or is sizing up another play to help with a block but his overall team D, help D and rebounding needs work. 

There should be no expectations (nor demands) for a lot of playing time for him without some major improvements to his game.  he still looks promising -- provided the expectations for him are that he can become a legit backup center.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Eddie20 on July 09, 2019, 11:29:34 AM
I’m not sure why Williams gets overhyped so much. He’s 21 and in his second year in the league. For comparison, this is 19-year-old Jaxson Hayes dominating in his first ever game. That’s the stuff Williams should be doing versus this level of competition.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7vpeqBFztXY
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Rondo9 on July 09, 2019, 11:32:13 AM
He’s making progress and I’m pretty happy about that. Anyway it’s a hype thread and Williams has been doing some things that excites people.
Title: Robert put on a clinic
Post by: rollie mass on July 12, 2019, 04:53:18 AM
A study came out that reaffirms my theory of ball players outperforming their bodies.And the amount of players injured before they even get to college.
-the list of injuries in first year of NBA as rookies , Embid, Nerlens Noel Okafor Simmons,Exum, A Gordon,Randle,Parker ,and Smart

Robert Williams has been brought along starting with a lifestyle coach and his early season issues were proactively dealt with he was kept out of Summer League then moved into a residence a 5 minute walk from the practice facility.
Jaylen brought his mom, then a baby and they live in same building .
Jaylen brought a friend.
Williams spent the season absorbing NBA lifestyle and watching Horford. He rarely went to Maine in my not view risking injury.

.Before summer league Williams was working on conditioning and endurance .Williams is getting up the court better and he has seemed quicker-it wasn't his monster dunks that stood out to me but his passing skill that was so crisp and showcased his court awareness.Of course it is Summer League but passing translates
The Celts process with Williams has been an example that should be followed league wide.
Title: Re: Robert put on a clinic
Post by: knuckleballer on July 12, 2019, 06:42:58 AM
He definitely has a talent for passing or at least he's a willing passer.  How much he succeeds will be a result of how well he can understand the game on the court.  He clearly doesn't see the court or game well.  I don't know how you get better at that.  Obviously through repetition and experience, but that might not be enough.  Perhaps watching game film with a coach.  Fortunately, he has a personal coach that works with him daily.  His physical gifts are awesome.  It's the cerebral part that he needs to learn. 
Title: Re: Robert put on a clinic
Post by: rollie mass on July 12, 2019, 06:56:58 AM
I think the Auerbach Center will benefit our young guys with all its advantages.
Having a chef  and eating properly,training with trainers and coaches and taking care of their bodies.
Our young guys have benefits of progressive coaching staff
 -Wait for the LEGENDS to start rolling in (their ranks are thinning).Just practicing under those banners and retired jerseys.
Having a collection of young vets Marcus,Jaylen,Jason and Semmi and the steady influence of Hayward and Kemba.
The ability to bring in the likes of Drew Hanlon to help with skill training and shooting.

Summer League is just the beginning of off season.These next few months can show rapid growth from weight room to shooting  and ball handling.

It feels like Brad is getting his team back with players that will respond to his style
Title: Re: Robert put on a clinic
Post by: rollie mass on July 12, 2019, 07:21:04 AM
He definitely has a talent for passing or at least he's a willing passer.  How much he succeeds will be a result of how well he can understand the game on the court.  He clearly doesn't see the court or game well.  I don't know how you get better at that.  Obviously through repetition and experience, but that might not be enough.  Perhaps watching game film with a coach.  Fortunately, he has a personal coach that works with him daily.  His physical gifts are awesome.  It's the cerebral part that he needs to learn.
TP
I think Robert has got a bad rap-To be a young big on a playoff team is quite daunting.YOU hit the nail on the head repetition and experience as well as game film.
Being a rim protector ,being able defend perimeter ,be weakside help,being able to switch on pick and rolls.No wonder he got lost and confused Al Horford had a decade of learning and familiarity with his teammates and his opponents.Then there are all the tricks you pick up  and the REFS what the call and don't call.

Coming into the rookie year facing NBA speed and strength at center position in this era of switching  or defending perimeter is a Herculean task.That is just on defense.
Then on offense setting screens,timing with your teammates and all their nuances and spots on the floor.
Title: Re: Robert put on a clinic
Post by: Birdman on July 12, 2019, 07:46:06 AM
Great to see this but lets wait to see what he does against the actually pros
Title: Re: Robert put on a clinic
Post by: DooVoo on July 12, 2019, 11:27:37 AM
Great to see this but lets wait to see what he does against the actually pros
Um, the guys in the Summer League are pros....
Title: Re: Robert put on a clinic
Post by: hwangjini_1 on July 12, 2019, 11:59:36 AM
i think you missed his point.
Title: Re: Robert put on a clinic
Post by: liam on July 12, 2019, 12:06:35 PM
TIMELORDS passing looked good last year in limited minutes. I mentioned it serval times in game threads. He has basketball skills. His shooting is the one that needs the most work.
Title: Re: Robert put on a clinic
Post by: Bobshot on July 12, 2019, 12:11:41 PM
I've seen too many guys on this team sitting on the perimeter missing 3s with nobody near the basket. And then the other team come down the court for an easy basket--often a layup. It's happened in Summer league games, too.

Robert Williams and Tacko Fall are a breath of fresh air for this team. They provide some balance to the Celtics game. An inside presence that has cost them against good teams. The Celtics have never won a Championship without a strong inside presence. It helps to explain why they haven't won anything in 10 years, since the days of KG. And even in those days, they lost something when they lost Perk.

Both those big guys had big games against Memphis. Tacko seems to be gaining confidence and mobility. You put those two guys near the boards, and you can shoot all the 3s you want. They'll be ready for those easy put backs.
Title: Re: Robert put on a clinic
Post by: W8ting2McHale on July 12, 2019, 01:06:50 PM
He had a good all around game after a hot start. Hopefully that fuels his confidence to give consistent effort.

At least it should quell some of the “We whiffed on Robinson or Kagenbele” posts for a little while.
Title: Re: Robert put on a clinic
Post by: footey on July 12, 2019, 01:11:50 PM
TIMELORDS passing looked good last year in limited minutes. I mentioned it serval times in game threads. He has basketball skills. His shooting is the one that needs the most work.

I think with his elite passing skills, as long as he attacks the boards, we don't need to worry about his shooting. I don't expect he will ever become a good outside shooter, and that's okay.
Title: Re: Robert put on a clinic
Post by: Surferdad on July 12, 2019, 01:43:34 PM
TIMELORDS passing looked good last year in limited minutes. I mentioned it serval times in game threads. He has basketball skills. His shooting is the one that needs the most work.

I think with his elite passing skills, as long as he attacks the boards, we don't need to worry about his shooting. I don't expect he will ever become a good outside shooter, and that's okay.
His form on the mid-range shot is okay, just not falling for him yet but yeah, he's not likely to ever shoot the 3.
Title: Re: Robert put on a clinic
Post by: hpantazo on July 12, 2019, 02:25:44 PM
TIMELORDS passing looked good last year in limited minutes. I mentioned it serval times in game threads. He has basketball skills. His shooting is the one that needs the most work.

I think with his elite passing skills, as long as he attacks the boards, we don't need to worry about his shooting. I don't expect he will ever become a good outside shooter, and that's okay.
His form on the mid-range shot is okay, just not falling for him yet but yeah, he's not likely to ever shoot the 3.

Never say never as long as he's on a Brad Stevens team.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Bobshot on July 12, 2019, 03:30:05 PM
I just saw a replay of that Memphis game, and Robert looked the best I've seen him. He's filling out, stronger, faster and is quite a good passer. Looked like a leader on the court. He looks like he will play significant minutes this year. I still think he's setting too many picks outside, and leaving himself out of position for a rebound. But that's their style.

Perhaps having him and Tacko in the game at once might result in one of them playing closer to the basket, and one back  to cover for defense. I noticed Ainge sat next to Tacko a good part of the 2nd half. Both he and Robert had their best games so far. Both shot 75%, and you can't beat that with 3P shooting. You have to create offense for guys who can get easy shots like that.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: rollie mass on July 12, 2019, 07:04:13 PM
Robert was training before Summer League and working on conditioning.The work starts after Summer League up until training camp..Confidence and aggression.
Why rush Robert?  Yesterday he put it all together for the first time.Things looked easy .The day he jumped the passing lane knocked the ball skidding over half court scooped it up on the run and drove the paint into a euro step
.Let the game slow down for him ,let him realize that position and the threat of being a shot blocker is more important the a spike into the crowd Rebounding with a quick outlet pass gets the team in transition.He has been boxing out and finding his way.
When everything is in sync with lobs on target, it is so effortless .
 But when he is being hit with bailout passes at the knees too deep under basket, he has to practice patience and have a move and counter move.
He attacked a closeout and drove the paint that was new.
The ball movement improved 100% with him facilitating and zipping passes. on target in rhythm
That was fun.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: liam on July 12, 2019, 07:06:49 PM
Robert was training before Summer League and working on conditioning.The work starts after Summer League up until training camp..Confidence and aggression.
Why rush Robert  yesterday he put it all together for the first time.Things looked easy it was like when your so first learns to ride a bike.The day he jumped the passing lane knocked the ball skidding over half court scooped it up on the run  drove the paint into a euro step.Let the game slow down for him ,let him realize that position and the threat of being a shot blocker Rebounding with a quick outlet pass gets the team in transition.He has been boxing out and finding his way .When everything is in sync with the lobs for slams it is so effortless .He is being hit with bailout passes too deep under basket and has to practice patience and have a move and counter move.
He attacked a closeout and drove the paint that was new.
The ball movement improved 100% with him facilitating and zipping passes. on target in rhythm
That was fun.

He stayed down on defense much better as well. It really helps if he can stay down and pick his spots for blocks.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: PAOBoston on July 12, 2019, 07:35:08 PM
I don’t think this guy is a good defender, at least not yet. Still seems like a massive project. He can block shots and that pretty much it. It looks like he has zero defensive awareness/IQ.

I will say that his passing has pleasantly surprised me during summer league.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: footey on July 12, 2019, 08:11:16 PM
I don’t think this guy is a good defender, at least not yet. Still seems like a massive project. He can block shots and that pretty much it. It looks like he has zero defensive awareness/IQ.

I will say that his passing has pleasantly surprised me during summer league.

Did you watch the game last night? Doesn't sound like it.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: CelticSince on July 12, 2019, 08:31:11 PM
I don’t think this guy is a good defender, at least not yet. Still seems like a massive project. He can block shots and that pretty much it. It looks like he has zero defensive awareness/IQ.

I will say that his passing has pleasantly surprised me during summer league.
Did you ever see his play?
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: rondofan1255 on November 17, 2019, 02:56:41 PM
Brad Stevens said Timelord will play today  :D
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Surferdad on November 23, 2019, 09:00:09 AM
Just wanted to bump this thread.  vs. Denver:  4 pts on 2-2 shooting, 4 rbs, 2 blocks, and +2 in 15 minutes.  Covering Jokic was no easy task but I thought RWIII did well on that end.  He seems to be improving a little bit every game.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Hoopvortex on November 23, 2019, 11:00:46 AM
Just wanted to bump this thread.  vs. Denver:  4 pts on 2-2 shooting, 4 rbs, 2 blocks, and +2 in 15 minutes.  Covering Jokic was no easy task but I thought RWIII did well on that end.  He seems to be improving a little bit every game.

Another area to watch is steals.

The best stat I know of for steals is steal%, for which he leads the team. (He also leads the team in steals per 36 and steals per 100 possessions).

Predictions that he’ll spend more time in the G-League than the NBA have not been borne out. In fact, he’s been a rotation player from game 1.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: nickagneta on November 23, 2019, 11:27:13 AM
Timelord was a part of that Smart/Wanamaker/Brown/Williams/Williams unit that completely shut down Denver to start the fourth and get the 13 point lead down to two. The defense was absolutely beautiful to watch. That group smothered Denver and the Nuggets had no answer until Stevens had to pull that unit because both Williams's looked gassed and he had to get Tatum back in.

It's unfortunate that the worst play in the fourth was Robert leaving that guy in the corner wide open for three because it illustrates, and Brown and Tatum still go through this, how you can't just have brain farts and get lazy or caught looking or whatever. You have to bring it every minute, every play because in a close game.....every play matters.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: nickagneta on November 23, 2019, 11:32:40 AM
Just wanted to bump this thread.  vs. Denver:  4 pts on 2-2 shooting, 4 rbs, 2 blocks, and +2 in 15 minutes.  Covering Jokic was no easy task but I thought RWIII did well on that end.  He seems to be improving a little bit every game.

Another area to watch is steals.

The best stat I know of for steals is steal%, for which he leads the team. (He also leads the team in steals per 36 and steals per 100 possessions).

Predictions that he’ll spend more time in the G-League than the NBA have not been borne out. In fact, he’s been a rotation player from game 1.
Yup. I will happily admit I was dead and completely wrong about that. Yes, he showed hints in SL and preseason, but I was judging him on how slow his growth was from his freshman year at A&M through to the end of last year and he barely grew his game.

Sometimes guys take a while but Robert took a very large leap forward. I expected this next year with this being a learning year. I was a year off. Next year he is this team's starting center, so I don't think we see a trade for a starting quality big this year.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Redz on November 23, 2019, 12:40:24 PM
Just wanted to bump this thread.  vs. Denver:  4 pts on 2-2 shooting, 4 rbs, 2 blocks, and +2 in 15 minutes.  Covering Jokic was no easy task but I thought RWIII did well on that end.  He seems to be improving a little bit every game.

Another area to watch is steals.

The best stat I know of for steals is steal%, for which he leads the team. (He also leads the team in steals per 36 and steals per 100 possessions).

Predictions that he’ll spend more time in the G-League than the NBA have not been borne out. In fact, he’s been a rotation player from game 1.
Yup. I will happily admit I was dead and completely wrong about that. Yes, he showed hints in SL and preseason, but I was judging him on how slow his growth was from his freshman year at A&M through to the end of last year and he barely grew his game.

Sometimes guys take a while but Robert took a very large leap forward. I expected this next year with this being a learning year. I was a year off. Next year he is this team's starting center, so I don't think we see a trade for a starting quality big this year.

Definitely looking way more comfortable and assertive out there. 
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on November 23, 2019, 01:33:31 PM
On four consecutive possessions (I think)

1. doubled Barton with Smart in the corner. Barton throws it off Smart out of bounds.
2. Almost gets a steal, but goes out of bounds.
3. Gets a steal. Rolls ball ahead to Green for a fast break layup.
4. Blocks Jokic.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Birdman on November 23, 2019, 01:43:45 PM
Reminds me of Tyrus Thomas
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: nickagneta on November 23, 2019, 01:53:44 PM
Reminds me of Tyrus Thomas
But with a brain😁
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Phantom255x on November 23, 2019, 01:55:19 PM
I'm loving the growth so far from Timelord.

He's definitely carving himself out a nice role for this season with the extra opportunities he's gotten given our frontcourt injuries
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: rondofan1255 on November 23, 2019, 04:03:04 PM
I remember the anonymous write up on Celticsblog from a team executive or something

Had zero expectations for this year

He’s no Jordan Mickey JaJuan Johnson (insert other bust) after all! Or is it too early for that conclusion
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Atzar on November 23, 2019, 04:09:01 PM
I remember the anonymous write up on Celticsblog from a team executive or something

Had zero expectations for this year

He’s no Jordan Mickey JaJuan Johnson (insert other bust) after all! Or is it too early for that conclusion

He has already contributed more than Johnson or Mickey ever did.

I’m excited about the kid.  I don’t entirely trust him for big minutes yet, but he flashes ability and intelligence amid the young mistakes.  He could be very good for us if he keeps working and stays healthy.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Jvalin on November 23, 2019, 05:51:59 PM
What has surprised me the most is his court vision. I mean, we already knew he's a good rim protector. Personally speaking, I didn't expect him to be a good passer as well. He's averaging 1.5 assist and 0.8 t/o in just 14.2 mins per game. That's 3.8 assists per 36 mins, which is an elite number for a Center.

Hope he gets more playing time. I have nothing against Theis, but he's not a long term option for us at the 5. Timelord on the other hand has the potential to become a starting-caliber center in this league for years to come.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: moiso on November 23, 2019, 08:57:20 PM
What has surprised me the most is his court vision. I mean, we already knew he's a good rim protector. Personally speaking, I didn't expect him to be a good passer as well. He's averaging 1.5 assist and 0.8 t/o in just 14.2 mins per game. That's 3.8 assists per 36 mins, which is an elite number for a Center.

Hope he gets more playing time. I have nothing against Theis, but he's not a long term option for us at the 5. Timelord on the other hand has the potential to become a starting-caliber center in this league for years to come.
Some of his high assist numbers has to be attributed to the fact that if he's not dunking the ball he is automatically looking to pass.  The passing ability is very nice but I'll be happier when he's a little more of a threat to score.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Hoopvortex on November 23, 2019, 09:55:33 PM
Just wanted to bump this thread.  vs. Denver:  4 pts on 2-2 shooting, 4 rbs, 2 blocks, and +2 in 15 minutes.  Covering Jokic was no easy task but I thought RWIII did well on that end.  He seems to be improving a little bit every game.

Another area to watch is steals.

The best stat I know of for steals is steal%, for which he leads the team. (He also leads the team in steals per 36 and steals per 100 possessions).

Predictions that he’ll spend more time in the G-League than the NBA have not been borne out. In fact, he’s been a rotation player from game 1.
Yup. I will happily admit I was dead and completely wrong about that. Yes, he showed hints in SL and preseason, but I was judging him on how slow his growth was from his freshman year at A&M through to the end of last year and he barely grew his game.

Sometimes guys take a while but Robert took a very large leap forward. I expected this next year with this being a learning year. I was a year off. Next year he is this team's starting center, so I don't think we see a trade for a starting quality big this year.

I underestimated him, too. I predicted that he wouldn’t be in the rotation until February. Given good health, I expect that you’re right about him starting next year. I think that you’re right about the brain farts, too, but he’s got a chance to be really special.
Title: Two nice shots for Williams
Post by: rollie mass on November 29, 2019, 05:15:20 PM
A jumper and a jump hook his nicest shot this season-
In summer league he got pulled for taking a wide open mid range. Today they dared him and he took and made it .Nothing  but net !!!
He was getting passes  at his knees in traffic.
He needs to learn how carve out space.  All in good time.
Those two shots were a EPIC beginning of offensive growth.
Title: Re: Two nice shots for Williams
Post by: footey on November 29, 2019, 05:18:55 PM
The defenses say off on him so much he has little choice. Good to see he made them.

He played poorly in 1st half. Well in 2nd, particularly in last quarter.

Our bigs got clobbered by theirs overall.
Title: Re: Two nice shots for Williams
Post by: Sophomore on November 29, 2019, 07:26:40 PM
A jumper and a jump hook his nicest shot this season-
In summer league he got pulled for taking a wide open mid range. Today they dared him and he took and made it .Nothing  but net !!!
He was getting passes  at his knees in traffic.
He needs to learn how carve out space.  All in good time.
Those two shots were a EPIC beginning of offensive growth.

That was one real bright spot in an otherwise disappointing afternoon. You love to see it.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: saltlover on December 09, 2019, 03:18:34 PM
Saw Williams is out tonight (12/9) with a hip issue.  Could be a multi-game absence, as I have an inside scoop that Tacko is likely to travel with the Celtics to Indiana on Wednesday.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Donoghus on December 09, 2019, 03:19:19 PM
Saw Williams is out tonight (12/9) with a hip issue.  Could be a multi-game absence, as I have an inside scoop that Tacko is likely to travel with the Celtics to Indiana on Wednesday.

Tough week to be losing Williams with both IND & PHI this week. 
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Birdman on December 09, 2019, 03:33:22 PM
I know im in the minority here but Williams is nothing more than a end of bench guy..i really see no improvement and reminds me of Tyrus Thomas..he will bounce around the league
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: RockinRyA on December 10, 2019, 04:24:19 AM
I know im in the minority here but Williams is nothing more than a end of bench guy..i really see no improvement and reminds me of Tyrus Thomas..he will bounce around the league

Im not surprised at all given all your posts.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Hoopvortex on December 10, 2019, 11:30:41 AM
I know im in the minority here but Williams is nothing more than a end of bench guy..i really see no improvement and reminds me of Tyrus Thomas..he will bounce around the league

I think you’re wrong on all four counts, but kudos for making an actual prediction.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Sophomore on December 10, 2019, 11:33:57 AM
I know im in the minority here but Williams is nothing more than a end of bench guy..i really see no improvement and reminds me of Tyrus Thomas..he will bounce around the league

End of bench - not even a rotation big?

Have you looked at the 2d-string centers in the NBA?
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Valid on December 10, 2019, 04:15:28 PM
I know im in the minority here but Williams is nothing more than a end of bench guy..i really see no improvement and reminds me of Tyrus Thomas..he will bounce around the league
You're also the same guy who said we were the fifth or sixth-best team in the East at the beginning of the season and who is basically negative on everything Celtics-related, so why am I not surprised?

Also, the Tyrus Thomas comparison is absolutely horrendous considering his basketball IQ was the size of a peanut while Williams' IQ is one of his biggest strengths.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: ViolentGhandi on December 12, 2019, 10:59:44 AM
he was really missed in the Indianna game - C's got clobbered on the inside. RW really provides size and rim protection, even if he gets lost in D occasionally. Oposing guards often seem reluctend to attack the basket while he is on court, which matters a lot in todays drive and kick dominated game. Also his rebounding is undervalued. He has 4.2RPG in just 14MPG (per 36 he has 11.6 which ranks at at 26th place league wide).

In comparison per 36:
Kanter: 13.6
RW: 11.6
Theis: 10.5
the Js: 7.5
GW: 5.7

So u can argue that he is the 2nd best rebounder the C's have. And Kanters rebound stat get inflated a lot by his multible efforts at the O-Board.

Both Theis und RW are with 2.6 and 2.8 BP36 minutes in the top 14 league wide but unlike Theis RWIII can actually defend against the big frontcourts.

He really improofed from last year (he wasnt even able to set a decent pick) and if he can continue to do so he will have the starter spot earned by next year (if the lineup doesnt get altered by trades). If his body lasts he sure promisses a lot of potential going forward.

The ppl who are critic him should allways keep in mind that bigs often need a couple of years to find their ways in the league and RWIII sure was ba project and not a accomplished player comming into the league.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: rondofan1255 on December 16, 2019, 11:42:27 AM
C’s posted update:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EL7BU3rWsAAQKUn.jpg)
Title: Robert Williams III out for a while
Post by: Surferdad on December 16, 2019, 11:43:36 AM
From Boston Celtics official page:
#NEBHInjuryReport Following further testing, Celtics center Robert Williams has been diagnosed with a bone edema in his left hip and will be required to limit his basketball activities while it heals. His status will be reassessed in approximately three weeks.
Title: Re: Robert Williams III out for a while
Post by: Surferdad on December 16, 2019, 11:44:38 AM
Mods, please merge with current RWIII merged thread.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Jiri Welsch on December 16, 2019, 12:00:04 PM
Sheesh. Williams just can't stay healthy for long periods of time.

Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: libermaniac on December 16, 2019, 02:58:42 PM
This is really bad news.  For me, the only way this year's Cs could organically improve (without trades) to the point where they are seriously in the conversation for a championship, is if Timelord improved significantly in his mental game.  He is a much better player this year than last year, and I was hoping, with more playing time, the game might slow down for him. 

Whether or not this is a long term physical concern, this is definitely a short-term concern because he's not getting the playing time to allow him to play smarter.  Argh.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: spikelovetheCelts on December 16, 2019, 03:11:35 PM
Hopefully it is only for the 3 weeks. He needs to bulk up as well.
I am hopeful he will do what Capela did in his 3rd year.
I am also hopeful Tacko can play some playoff minutes and be effective.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Sophomore on December 16, 2019, 03:30:35 PM
Hopefully it is only for the 3 weeks. He needs to bulk up as well.
I am hopeful he will do what Capela did in his 3rd year.
I am also hopeful Tacko can play some playoff minutes and be effective.

The shift in the injury report surprised me. Initially they said hip bursitis now they're saying bone marrow edema. Hopefully he doesn't have a structural issue in the joint or soft tissue that's causing this kind of injury. Sounds like it might be something chronic. 
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Birdman on December 16, 2019, 03:56:33 PM
Still dont know why Ainge pick Williams over Mitchell Robinson...i wanted him badly at the draft
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: RPGenerate on December 16, 2019, 04:01:49 PM
Still dont know why Ainge pick Williams over Mitchell Robinson...i wanted him badly at the draft
Cool, but we didn't, so there's no use crying over it now.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Tr1boy on December 16, 2019, 04:02:42 PM
C’s posted update:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EL7BU3rWsAAQKUn.jpg)

Crappy
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: ChillyWilly on December 16, 2019, 04:37:46 PM
Williams seems to have a low pain tolerance, he's always missing time because of something.

Some guys only ball when they feel 98%+
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: hwangjini_1 on December 16, 2019, 04:52:21 PM
Williams seems to have a low pain tolerance, he's always missing time because of something.

Some guys only ball when they feel 98%+
please let us know the reports you read that stated this. do we know for certain this is tied to TL's pain tolerance? not to doctor's advice? not to medical concerns? not to CBS playing things safe?
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: nickagneta on December 16, 2019, 05:02:40 PM
Williams seems to have a low pain tolerance, he's always missing time because of something.

Some guys only ball when they feel 98%+
This is awful. I mean truly awful.

This isn't something small. He doesn't have a small ache or cramp. He has something that caused doctors to tell him to avoid physical activity for THREE WEEKS!!!

A bone marrow edema in the hip is generally a sign of a fracture in the area or transient osteoporosis, both of which are extremely painful. It can resolve itself over time with rest and therapy but it is a very serious condition that could be a sign of much larger problems, unfortunately for our good Mr. Williams.

People don't do very physical things with this or some of the other problems Williams has had. Questioning the young man's willingness to play through pain, his toughness and his heart like you are is bad form in my opinion, even more so knowing the severity of what a bone marrow edema can be and the pain it can cause.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: SHAQATTACK on December 16, 2019, 05:28:13 PM
my heart goes out to him.  Thats a painful injury.

unfortunately we have no replacement at his athleticism and IQ level.


A healthy celtics team with a 100 % Timelord , Smart, Kemba,   Hayward is as good as any group.

We just need some healthy weeks 


Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Hoopvortex on December 16, 2019, 06:32:03 PM
Williams seems to have a low pain tolerance, he's always missing time because of something.

Some guys only ball when they feel 98%+
This is awful. I mean truly awful.

This isn't something small. He doesn't have a small ache or cramp. He has something that caused doctors to tell him to avoid physical activity for THREE WEEKS!!!

A bone marrow edema in the hip is generally a sign of a fracture in the area or transient osteoporosis, both of which are extremely painful. It can resolve itself over time with rest and therapy but it is a very serious condition that could be a sign of much larger problems, unfortunately for our good Mr. Williams.

People don't do very physical things with this or some of the other problems Williams has had. Questioning the young man's willingness to play through pain, his toughness and his heart like you are is bad form in my opinion, even more so knowing the severity of what a bone marrow edema can be and the pain it can cause.

There’s a good chance that he should not walk on the affected leg, not just because of pain but also to prevent further injury.

If the cause is transient osteoporosis he could be out a lot longer than three weeks.

He seems to specialize in unusual conditions... is this related to his PAS? There’s not a whole lot of clinical data.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: ChillyWilly on December 16, 2019, 07:35:01 PM
Williams seems to have a low pain tolerance, he's always missing time because of something.

Some guys only ball when they feel 98%+
This is awful. I mean truly awful.

This isn't something small. He doesn't have a small ache or cramp. He has something that caused doctors to tell him to avoid physical activity for THREE WEEKS!!!

A bone marrow edema in the hip is generally a sign of a fracture in the area or transient osteoporosis, both of which are extremely painful. It can resolve itself over time with rest and therapy but it is a very serious condition that could be a sign of much larger problems, unfortunately for our good Mr. Williams.

People don't do very physical things with this or some of the other problems Williams has had. Questioning the young man's willingness to play through pain, his toughness and his heart like you are is bad form in my opinion, even more so knowing the severity of what a bone marrow edema can be and the pain it can cause.

I think it is in bad form to think I am in bad form  :P

You can dispute my form and have a valid point but you can't dispute Robert Williams misses a lot of time for various reasons.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Chief on December 16, 2019, 08:48:25 PM
my heart goes out to him.  Thats a painful injury.

unfortunately we have no replacement at his athleticism and IQ level.


A healthy celtics team with a 100 % Timelord , Smart, Kemba,   Hayward is as good as any group.

We just need some healthy weeks

Or a big Tacko
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: RockinRyA on December 17, 2019, 01:41:44 AM
Williams seems to have a low pain tolerance, he's always missing time because of something.

Some guys only ball when they feel 98%+
please let us know the reports you read that stated this. do we know for certain this is tied to TL's pain tolerance? not to doctor's advice? not to medical concerns? not to CBS playing things safe?
some people are either plain stupid or horrible.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: trickybilly on December 17, 2019, 04:26:57 AM
Williams seems to have a low pain tolerance, he's always missing time because of something.

Some guys only ball when they feel 98%+
This is awful. I mean truly awful.

This isn't something small. He doesn't have a small ache or cramp. He has something that caused doctors to tell him to avoid physical activity for THREE WEEKS!!!

A bone marrow edema in the hip is generally a sign of a fracture in the area or transient osteoporosis, both of which are extremely painful. It can resolve itself over time with rest and therapy but it is a very serious condition that could be a sign of much larger problems, unfortunately for our good Mr. Williams.

People don't do very physical things with this or some of the other problems Williams has had. Questioning the young man's willingness to play through pain, his toughness and his heart like you are is bad form in my opinion, even more so knowing the severity of what a bone marrow edema can be and the pain it can cause.

I think it is in bad form to think I am in bad form  :P

You can dispute my form and have a valid point but you can't dispute Robert Williams misses a lot of time for various reasons.

Yeah, injuries. What else?
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: rondofan1255 on January 09, 2020, 08:33:20 AM
Quote
Rob Williams has entered a "return to play protocol," meaning his activity is being increased following Tuesday's meeting with a hip specialist. Stevens: "So we’re still three weeks away from however long away. Hopefully we get good news then."

https://twitter.com/murf56/status/1215051804863619078?s=21

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Per Brad Stevens, the Celtics are still at least three weeks away from getting Rob Williams back. He will increase activities in the near future.

 https://twitter.com/tom_nba/status/1215034920239804416?s=21
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Tr1boy on January 09, 2020, 10:48:35 AM
Quote
Rob Williams has entered a "return to play protocol," meaning his activity is being increased following Tuesday's meeting with a hip specialist. Stevens: "So we’re still three weeks away from however long away. Hopefully we get good news then."

https://twitter.com/murf56/status/1215051804863619078?s=21

Quote
Per Brad Stevens, the Celtics are still at least three weeks away from getting Rob Williams back. He will increase activities in the near future.

 https://twitter.com/tom_nba/status/1215034920239804416?s=21

hopefully this is something he can get over via therapy

worst case surgery

because missing long stretches after playing 20 games, is not a NBA basketball career

Robert Williams has Clint Capela part 2 written all over him and this team needs him

Just comeback 110 percent healthy
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: hwangjini_1 on January 09, 2020, 11:31:44 AM
Quote
Rob Williams has entered a "return to play protocol," meaning his activity is being increased following ...

because missing long stretches after playing 20 games, is not a NBA basketball career

Robert Williams has Clint Capela part 2 written all over him and this team needs him

Just comeback 110 percent healthy
the bolded above is, of course, impossible.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: footey on January 09, 2020, 12:23:03 PM
Quote
Rob Williams has entered a "return to play protocol," meaning his activity is being increased following ...

because missing long stretches after playing 20 games, is not a NBA basketball career

Robert Williams has Clint Capela part 2 written all over him and this team needs him

Just comeback 110 percent healthy
the bolded above is, of course, impossible.

Not if you are a Time Lord. 
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Hoopvortex on January 09, 2020, 03:05:32 PM

Quote
Rob Williams has entered a "return to play protocol," meaning his activity is being increased following ...

because missing long stretches after playing 20 games, is not a NBA basketball career

Robert Williams has Clint Capela part 2 written all over him and this team needs him

Just comeback 110 percent healthy
the bolded above is, of course, impossible.

Not if you are a Time Lord.

Touché.

TP.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: hwangjini_1 on January 09, 2020, 03:08:21 PM

so, is his new nickname "Math Lord"  ;D
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: rondofan1255 on January 15, 2020, 05:28:13 PM
Quote from: Celtics Twitter
Robert Williams is in the middle of a 3- to 4-week workup program that started at the beginning of Jan. He will be re-evaluated after that program to see when he can return. Coach says not expected before All-Star break.

https://twitter.com/celtics/status/1217572471332798464

Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Birdman on January 15, 2020, 06:16:40 PM
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Rob Williams has entered a "return to play protocol," meaning his activity is being increased following Tuesday's meeting with a hip specialist. Stevens: "So we’re still three weeks away from however long away. Hopefully we get good news then."

https://twitter.com/murf56/status/1215051804863619078?s=21

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Per Brad Stevens, the Celtics are still at least three weeks away from getting Rob Williams back. He will increase activities in the near future.

 https://twitter.com/tom_nba/status/1215034920239804416?s=21

hopefully this is something he can get over via therapy

worst case surgery

because missing long stretches after playing 20 games, is not a NBA basketball career

Robert Williams has Clint Capela part 2 written all over him and this team needs him

Just comeback 110 percent healthy
Clint Capela part 2?? Thanks for the laugh 😂
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: RockinRyA on January 15, 2020, 09:09:58 PM
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Rob Williams has entered a "return to play protocol," meaning his activity is being increased following Tuesday's meeting with a hip specialist. Stevens: "So we’re still three weeks away from however long away. Hopefully we get good news then."

https://twitter.com/murf56/status/1215051804863619078?s=21

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Per Brad Stevens, the Celtics are still at least three weeks away from getting Rob Williams back. He will increase activities in the near future.

 https://twitter.com/tom_nba/status/1215034920239804416?s=21

hopefully this is something he can get over via therapy

worst case surgery

because missing long stretches after playing 20 games, is not a NBA basketball career

Robert Williams has Clint Capela part 2 written all over him and this team needs him

Just comeback 110 percent healthy
Clint Capela part 2?? Thanks for the laugh 😂

Why are you laughing? His skillset is very similar to Capela. But coming from you I am not surprised.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: gouki88 on January 15, 2020, 10:31:46 PM
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Rob Williams has entered a "return to play protocol," meaning his activity is being increased following Tuesday's meeting with a hip specialist. Stevens: "So we’re still three weeks away from however long away. Hopefully we get good news then."

https://twitter.com/murf56/status/1215051804863619078?s=21

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Per Brad Stevens, the Celtics are still at least three weeks away from getting Rob Williams back. He will increase activities in the near future.

 https://twitter.com/tom_nba/status/1215034920239804416?s=21

hopefully this is something he can get over via therapy

worst case surgery

because missing long stretches after playing 20 games, is not a NBA basketball career

Robert Williams has Clint Capela part 2 written all over him and this team needs him

Just comeback 110 percent healthy
Clint Capela part 2?? Thanks for the laugh 😂

Why are you laughing? His skillset is very similar to Capela. But coming from you I am not surprised.
Don't you remember Capela being a dominant second year player? Oh wait... he was barely a starter on a .500 team, despite being healthy
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: rondofan1255 on February 13, 2020, 12:41:11 PM
https://twitter.com/chrisforsberg_/status/1228010712800382978?s=21
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on February 13, 2020, 12:47:02 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sx2GfZweUqo

Get well, Robert..

It is safe to say he has a HUGE impact on the game when he's healthy.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: footey on February 13, 2020, 12:53:06 PM
If he comes back beginning of March, as Danny said most recently, he would get to play 23 games before the playoffs.  That is enough time to get back into game shape and be ready for the playoffs. 

If he comes back right after all star break, he would get to play an additional 5 games for a total of 28 games, which would be even better.

Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on February 13, 2020, 12:58:14 PM
Call me crazy (that's ok ;D) but when I see RW jump I always imagine the 6 Million Dollar Man sound  effects..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OyIBuF73PQ
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: saltlover on February 13, 2020, 03:16:10 PM
If he comes back beginning of March, as Danny said most recently, he would get to play 23 games before the playoffs.  That is enough time to get back into game shape and be ready for the playoffs. 

If he comes back right after all star break, he would get to play an additional 5 games for a total of 28 games, which would be even better.

He won’t come back right after the All-Star break. Look for March 3rd at home against the Nets.  The Celtics have a couple days off in between games before then, so will likely have a practice that he can go through to confirm his availability.

Possibly he could be available 2/29 at home vs. Houston, but that’s not really the team you bring back your 3rd string center for.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: footey on February 19, 2020, 04:25:23 PM
I am so pumped about his near return on or about March 1.  Worthy of a bump up.

Really have high hopes for this guy, especially next season.

Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Sophomore on February 19, 2020, 04:39:08 PM
I am so pumped about his near return on or about March 1.  Worthy of a bump up.

Really have high hopes for this guy, especially next season.

Yeah. It's really a shame he lost so much of this year. I don't know if he'll really become great, but if he was the same caliber of player as Theis I would take that gladly. (I'm saying same *caliber*, not same player - he's obviously more athletic, especially vertically, but I doubt he ever develops the same court sense/consistent focus.)
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: RPGenerate on February 19, 2020, 06:58:52 PM
Doing some research, I was really surprised by how advanced stats like Timelord. He leads the Celtics in both DBPM and regular BPM, and he's second to Kanter in WS/48. Of course, these numbers don't mean much isolated, but it is quite interesting.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Jiri Welsch on February 19, 2020, 08:23:15 PM
https://twitter.com/nicolecyang/status/1230302140255612928?s=20
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Atzar on February 19, 2020, 08:33:31 PM
Doing some research, I was really surprised by how advanced stats like Timelord. He leads the Celtics in both DBPM and regular BPM, and he's second to Kanter in WS/48. Of course, these numbers don't mean much isolated, but it is quite interesting.

He’s shown some ability to change games.  Made the Spurs look like they were old and washed up earlier this season. 

If that version of R Williams ever shows up for an extended stretch, look out.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: td450 on February 19, 2020, 08:34:15 PM
So what happens when he comes back, after the obligatory few shifts when he first returns?

This year, the Theis/Enes Kanter rotation has worked nicely, and I'm not sure it will help those guys to give up 6-8 minutes each for the rest of the year.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Jiri Welsch on February 19, 2020, 08:39:52 PM
So what happens when he comes back, after the obligatory few shifts when he first returns?

This year, the Theis/Enes Kanter rotation has worked nicely, and I'm not sure it will help those guys to give up 6-8 minutes each for the rest of the year.

He probably averages 10 mins a game. The occasional "rest/load management/cautious about an injury" off day for Kanter and Theis will give him some burn.

And I bet he takes like half of Grant's minutes.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: gouki88 on February 20, 2020, 03:45:04 AM
So what happens when he comes back, after the obligatory few shifts when he first returns?

This year, the Theis/Enes Kanter rotation has worked nicely, and I'm not sure it will help those guys to give up 6-8 minutes each for the rest of the year.
I think he'll get quite a few DNPs, but he'll also come in handy a bunch when Theis and/or Kanter suffer a knock. Those 6MPG that Poirier has played will disappear thankfully, and I think 4 minutes from both Theis and Kanter can go to Rob. That brings him back to the 14MPG he was averaging pre-injury. He'll also allow us to not have to play Grant in some matchups, which is good. I love Grant, but he isn't really a 5 at all.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: saltlover on February 20, 2020, 06:39:31 AM
So what happens when he comes back, after the obligatory few shifts when he first returns?

This year, the Theis/Enes Kanter rotation has worked nicely, and I'm not sure it will help those guys to give up 6-8 minutes each for the rest of the year.

He probably averages 10 mins a game. The occasional "rest/load management/cautious about an injury" off day for Kanter and Theis will give him some burn.

And I bet he takes like half of Grant's minutes.

I highly doubt this.  Robert may be longer and more athletic, but being in the right place and making the right decision is more important at this stage of the season.  Grant was already ahead in that department three months ago, and he’s not going to fall behind in the final stretch/playoffs.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Surferdad on February 20, 2020, 07:48:47 AM
So what happens when he comes back, after the obligatory few shifts when he first returns?

This year, the Theis/Enes Kanter rotation has worked nicely, and I'm not sure it will help those guys to give up 6-8 minutes each for the rest of the year.

He probably averages 10 mins a game. The occasional "rest/load management/cautious about an injury" off day for Kanter and Theis will give him some burn.

And I bet he takes like half of Grant's minutes.

I highly doubt this.  Robert may be longer and more athletic, but being in the right place and making the right decision is more important at this stage of the season.  Grant was already ahead in that department three months ago, and he’s not going to fall behind in the final stretch/playoffs.
Agreed.  I see Robert not getting much PT.  Grant pretty much does everything better.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: footey on February 20, 2020, 08:53:27 AM
So what happens when he comes back, after the obligatory few shifts when he first returns?

This year, the Theis/Enes Kanter rotation has worked nicely, and I'm not sure it will help those guys to give up 6-8 minutes each for the rest of the year.

He probably averages 10 mins a game. The occasional "rest/load management/cautious about an injury" off day for Kanter and Theis will give him some burn.

And I bet he takes like half of Grant's minutes.

I highly doubt this.  Robert may be longer and more athletic, but being in the right place and making the right decision is more important at this stage of the season.  Grant was already ahead in that department three months ago, and he’s not going to fall behind in the final stretch/playoffs.
Agreed.  I see Robert not getting much PT.  Grant pretty much does everything better.

Wow, huge undersell from you guys.  DNPs and only 10 min?  Grant is a nice story, but his lack of length has hurt us at times. (Le'ts see what happens vs Lakers game).  RW3 was getting very good minutes before he got hurt, so if he is now healthy why on earth would Brad change his mind and bench him? Makes no sense.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: RPGenerate on February 20, 2020, 09:03:08 AM
So what happens when he comes back, after the obligatory few shifts when he first returns?

This year, the Theis/Enes Kanter rotation has worked nicely, and I'm not sure it will help those guys to give up 6-8 minutes each for the rest of the year.


He probably averages 10 mins a game. The occasional "rest/load management/cautious about an injury" off day for Kanter and Theis will give him some burn.

And I bet he takes like half of Grant's minutes.

I highly doubt this.  Robert may be longer and more athletic, but being in the right place and making the right decision is more important at this stage of the season.  Grant was already ahead in that department three months ago, and he’s not going to fall behind in the final stretch/playoffs.
Agreed.  I see Robert not getting much PT.  Grant pretty much does everything better.

Wow, huge undersell from you guys.  DNPs and only 10 min?  Grant is a nice story, but his lack of length has hurt us at times. (Le'ts see what happens vs Lakers game).  RW3 was getting very good minutes before he got hurt, so if he is now healthy why on earth would Brad change his mind and bench him? Makes no sense.
Not really underselling at all. When he was healthy, he got less than 15 minutes a game. It's not unlikely that Brad would gradually integrate him back into the lineup. Grant has been playing well for us, so it makes no sense to yank him out of the lineup for a rusty Timelord who hasn't played an NBA game in several months.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: slamtheking on February 20, 2020, 10:23:49 AM
So what happens when he comes back, after the obligatory few shifts when he first returns?

This year, the Theis/Enes Kanter rotation has worked nicely, and I'm not sure it will help those guys to give up 6-8 minutes each for the rest of the year.


He probably averages 10 mins a game. The occasional "rest/load management/cautious about an injury" off day for Kanter and Theis will give him some burn.

And I bet he takes like half of Grant's minutes.

I highly doubt this.  Robert may be longer and more athletic, but being in the right place and making the right decision is more important at this stage of the season.  Grant was already ahead in that department three months ago, and he’s not going to fall behind in the final stretch/playoffs.
Agreed.  I see Robert not getting much PT.  Grant pretty much does everything better.

Wow, huge undersell from you guys.  DNPs and only 10 min?  Grant is a nice story, but his lack of length has hurt us at times. (Le'ts see what happens vs Lakers game).  RW3 was getting very good minutes before he got hurt, so if he is now healthy why on earth would Brad change his mind and bench him? Makes no sense.
Not really underselling at all. When he was healthy, he got less than 15 minutes a game. It's not unlikely that Brad would gradually integrate him back into the lineup. Grant has been playing well for us, so it makes no sense to yank him out of the lineup for a rusty Timelord who hasn't played an NBA game in several months.
agreed, and to add to that, it's not like Timelord was setting the league on fire before going out with injury.  sure, he made some nice dunks off lobs and some pretty blocks but his overall team D was still pretty bad and his offense is pretty limited to dunks and some decent passing.  GWill has excelled in all those areas where Timelord has not.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Sophomore on February 20, 2020, 10:52:14 AM
So what happens when he comes back, after the obligatory few shifts when he first returns?

This year, the Theis/Enes Kanter rotation has worked nicely, and I'm not sure it will help those guys to give up 6-8 minutes each for the rest of the year.


He probably averages 10 mins a game. The occasional "rest/load management/cautious about an injury" off day for Kanter and Theis will give him some burn.

And I bet he takes like half of Grant's minutes.

I highly doubt this.  Robert may be longer and more athletic, but being in the right place and making the right decision is more important at this stage of the season.  Grant was already ahead in that department three months ago, and he’s not going to fall behind in the final stretch/playoffs.
Agreed.  I see Robert not getting much PT.  Grant pretty much does everything better.

Wow, huge undersell from you guys.  DNPs and only 10 min?  Grant is a nice story, but his lack of length has hurt us at times. (Le'ts see what happens vs Lakers game).  RW3 was getting very good minutes before he got hurt, so if he is now healthy why on earth would Brad change his mind and bench him? Makes no sense.
Not really underselling at all. When he was healthy, he got less than 15 minutes a game. It's not unlikely that Brad would gradually integrate him back into the lineup. Grant has been playing well for us, so it makes no sense to yank him out of the lineup for a rusty Timelord who hasn't played an NBA game in several months.
agreed, and to add to that, it's not like Timelord was setting the league on fire before going out with injury.  sure, he made some nice dunks off lobs and some pretty blocks but his overall team D was still pretty bad and his offense is pretty limited to dunks and some decent passing.  GWill has excelled in all those areas where Timelord has not.

They need to make a judgment about how much he can learn this year. His ceiling is obviously much different than Grant’s, and if he can correct the focus/mental errors it is much higher. It may be that he’s lost too much time to make it this year, but I’m still a little hopeful.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Fafnir on February 20, 2020, 11:14:50 AM
It makes all the sense in the world to give Timelord run. Theis can't play the whole game due to both fatigue and his propensity to foul. Some match ups Kanter is unplayable (and his hip issue could linger as well). Its important to find out if Timelord can be an option to provide some size at the C position in those situations.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Fafnir on February 20, 2020, 11:17:31 AM
Grant Williams already has his minutes jerked around plenty. Its not like Stevens is messing up some set in stone rotation by playing Robert Williams once he's back in March.

Plenty of games where Grant get 5-10 minutes due to match up issues or poor play.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: footey on February 20, 2020, 12:12:34 PM
Theis and Kanter's minutes increased when Robert went out, obviously.  Theis is about 23 per game, Kanter about 18 per game.   Williams was about 15 per game before he went out. I would expect him to get about that many, and Theis and Kanter minutes will go down accordingly. I expect Williams to play as many minutes as Kanter once he is given green light. 
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: rollie mass on February 20, 2020, 12:32:15 PM
I have always had concerns for young bigs with other worldly athleticism playing against grown men.This break might have been a blessing in disguise. Breaking the season into two parts.
He is coming back after watching for a couple months and seems excited and has been missing playing with his teammates.
And 20 games seems about right to get into playoff shape. He looks very healthy at the moment.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: SHAQATTACK on February 20, 2020, 02:36:24 PM
Time Lord is ready to reemerge from another dimension , and carry the Celtics to the promised land .  :)
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: saltlover on February 20, 2020, 03:03:28 PM
You all realize that despite being in his rookie year that Grant has played about 50% more total minutes in his career than Rob in his own career, over two seasons?  Rob is going to be too far behind the curve to have impact outside of specific matchups that he’s most suited to, if any exist.  I’m sure they’ll get him out there some games, especially on one night of a back to back, just to soak up some minutes down the final stretch of the season.  But barring an injury to someone ahead of him, his role will not be high-leverage.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on February 20, 2020, 03:07:15 PM
You all realize that despite being in his rookie year that Grant has played about 50% more total minutes in his career than Rob in his own career, over two seasons?  Rob is going to be too far behind the curve to have impact outside of specific matchups that he’s most suited to, if any exist.  I’m sure they’ll get him out there some games, especially on one night of a back to back, just to soak up some minutes down the final stretch of the season.  But barring an injury to someone ahead of him, his role will not be high-leverage.

This is a valid point. I generally agree.

I think situational matchups are a big deal though. CBS always seems to have one guy that he uses against some teams because he likes the matchup. I think of Rozier his second year in the playoffs, or Ojeleye his second year against Giannis.

Williams is one of the most physically gifted athletes in the league. There is no doubt that he still struggles with defensive rotations, but I think he can be used, especially on ball or switching onto guards.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: nickagneta on February 20, 2020, 03:12:32 PM
Let's see what he looks like he can do physically before slotting him into any minutes defined role. Coming back from injury isn't always a seemless endeavor
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Surferdad on February 20, 2020, 03:28:37 PM
So what happens when he comes back, after the obligatory few shifts when he first returns?

This year, the Theis/Enes Kanter rotation has worked nicely, and I'm not sure it will help those guys to give up 6-8 minutes each for the rest of the year.


He probably averages 10 mins a game. The occasional "rest/load management/cautious about an injury" off day for Kanter and Theis will give him some burn.

And I bet he takes like half of Grant's minutes.

I highly doubt this.  Robert may be longer and more athletic, but being in the right place and making the right decision is more important at this stage of the season.  Grant was already ahead in that department three months ago, and he’s not going to fall behind in the final stretch/playoffs.
Agreed.  I see Robert not getting much PT.  Grant pretty much does everything better.

Wow, huge undersell from you guys.  DNPs and only 10 min?  Grant is a nice story, but his lack of length has hurt us at times. (Le'ts see what happens vs Lakers game).  RW3 was getting very good minutes before he got hurt, so if he is now healthy why on earth would Brad change his mind and bench him? Makes no sense.
Not really underselling at all. When he was healthy, he got less than 15 minutes a game. It's not unlikely that Brad would gradually integrate him back into the lineup. Grant has been playing well for us, so it makes no sense to yank him out of the lineup for a rusty Timelord who hasn't played an NBA game in several months.
agreed, and to add to that, it's not like Timelord was setting the league on fire before going out with injury.  sure, he made some nice dunks off lobs and some pretty blocks but his overall team D was still pretty bad and his offense is pretty limited to dunks and some decent passing.  GWill has excelled in all those areas where Timelord has not.

They need to make a judgment about how much he can learn this year. His ceiling is obviously much different than Grant’s, and if he can correct the focus/mental errors it is much higher. It may be that he’s lost too much time to make it this year, but I’m still a little hopeful.
Thanks for backing me up folks, I knew I was being bold, but I'll stick by it and repeat it (since my original words are not in the thread quotes now):  Grant does just about everything better than Robert at this point, in large part due to his BBIQ.  Robert has higher upside but I wonder if he will ever reach his potential.  This is coming from a fan who likes Robert, a lot.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: GreenShooter on February 20, 2020, 03:39:40 PM
I think one of the reasons Danny didn't trade for Capela (and it would have made sense, considering the players and picks involved, to do so) is that he and Brad must have confidence in Boo Butt to contribute this year and improve and do a lot more next year, when this team could challenge the Bucks for the Eastern Conference. We'll see if Danny's gamble pays off.
Edit: don't mistake me saying that Williams will be a difference maker next year but only that he'll be a key piece off the bench and may even start depending on the off-season transactions.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Hoopvortex on February 20, 2020, 05:46:38 PM
So what happens when he comes back, after the obligatory few shifts when he first returns?

This year, the Theis/Enes Kanter rotation has worked nicely, and I'm not sure it will help those guys to give up 6-8 minutes each for the rest of the year.


He probably averages 10 mins a game. The occasional "rest/load management/cautious about an injury" off day for Kanter and Theis will give him some burn.

And I bet he takes like half of Grant's minutes.

I highly doubt this.  Robert may be longer and more athletic, but being in the right place and making the right decision is more important at this stage of the season.  Grant was already ahead in that department three months ago, and he’s not going to fall behind in the final stretch/playoffs.
Agreed.  I see Robert not getting much PT.  Grant pretty much does everything better.

Wow, huge undersell from you guys.  DNPs and only 10 min?  Grant is a nice story, but his lack of length has hurt us at times. (Le'ts see what happens vs Lakers game).  RW3 was getting very good minutes before he got hurt, so if he is now healthy why on earth would Brad change his mind and bench him? Makes no sense.
Not really underselling at all. When he was healthy, he got less than 15 minutes a game. It's not unlikely that Brad would gradually integrate him back into the lineup. Grant has been playing well for us, so it makes no sense to yank him out of the lineup for a rusty Timelord who hasn't played an NBA game in several months.
agreed, and to add to that, it's not like Timelord was setting the league on fire before going out with injury.  sure, he made some nice dunks off lobs and some pretty blocks but his overall team D was still pretty bad and his offense is pretty limited to dunks and some decent passing.  GWill has excelled in all those areas where Timelord has not.

They need to make a judgment about how much he can learn this year. His ceiling is obviously much different than Grant’s, and if he can correct the focus/mental errors it is much higher. It may be that he’s lost too much time to make it this year, but I’m still a little hopeful.
Thanks for backing me up folks, I knew I was being bold, but I'll stick by it and repeat it (since my original words are not in the thread quotes now):  Grant does just about everything better than Robert at this point, in large part due to his BBIQ.  Robert has higher upside but I wonder if he will ever reach his potential.  This is coming from a fan who likes Robert, a lot.

As always, this depends on what your definition of is, is. The greatest ability, as the old NBA cliché goes, is availability.

Having said that, If what we’re doing here is comparing how they’ve played this year, I can only go along partway with what you say.

I’ll just point to a couple of important differences. First of all, Rob has been an excellent defensive rebounder, while Grant has been a very poor one. Rob is quicker off the floor and has great hands and length, and that has resulted in a much higher rate of steals. And, of course, Rob Williams is a savant of shotblocking, Who in addition to his instincts has exceptional acceleration off the floor and quick enough closeouts to block jump shooters.

I’m not sure why we are comparing these two; I don’t really have the heart to find out how far back in this 129 page thread I’d have to go to find the rationale for it. I see them as substantially different players, and I’m not sure that the need to compare them is compelling.

As I’ve said before, I think that Grant Williams is a Celtic. He came into the league, as was evident from his summer league play, knowing how to play NBA defense. That is truly extraordinary. His overall feel for the game, for moving the ball and team play - in addition to some really good tangibles, his intangibles might actually be better. Looks like he’s a leader, even as a rookie. You mention his basketball IQ; while I agree with you, it is also the case that he has dedication and does an extraordinary amount of preparation.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: footey on February 20, 2020, 08:29:20 PM
So what happens when he comes back, after the obligatory few shifts when he first returns?

This year, the Theis/Enes Kanter rotation has worked nicely, and I'm not sure it will help those guys to give up 6-8 minutes each for the rest of the year.


He probably averages 10 mins a game. The occasional "rest/load management/cautious about an injury" off day for Kanter and Theis will give him some burn.

And I bet he takes like half of Grant's minutes.

I highly doubt this.  Robert may be longer and more athletic, but being in the right place and making the right decision is more important at this stage of the season.  Grant was already ahead in that department three months ago, and he’s not going to fall behind in the final stretch/playoffs.
Agreed.  I see Robert not getting much PT.  Grant pretty much does everything better.

Wow, huge undersell from you guys.  DNPs and only 10 min?  Grant is a nice story, but his lack of length has hurt us at times. (Le'ts see what happens vs Lakers game).  RW3 was getting very good minutes before he got hurt, so if he is now healthy why on earth would Brad change his mind and bench him? Makes no sense.
Not really underselling at all. When he was healthy, he got less than 15 minutes a game. It's not unlikely that Brad would gradually integrate him back into the lineup. Grant has been playing well for us, so it makes no sense to yank him out of the lineup for a rusty Timelord who hasn't played an NBA game in several months.
agreed, and to add to that, it's not like Timelord was setting the league on fire before going out with injury.  sure, he made some nice dunks off lobs and some pretty blocks but his overall team D was still pretty bad and his offense is pretty limited to dunks and some decent passing.  GWill has excelled in all those areas where Timelord has not.

They need to make a judgment about how much he can learn this year. His ceiling is obviously much different than Grant’s, and if he can correct the focus/mental errors it is much higher. It may be that he’s lost too much time to make it this year, but I’m still a little hopeful.
Thanks for backing me up folks, I knew I was being bold, but I'll stick by it and repeat it (since my original words are not in the thread quotes now):  Grant does just about everything better than Robert at this point, in large part due to his BBIQ.  Robert has higher upside but I wonder if he will ever reach his potential.  This is coming from a fan who likes Robert, a lot.

I don't agree with you, Surferdad.

R is a better defender than G. He is longer. He is quicker. He can finish alley oops in pick and role. He can see above defense at top of key on O.  He is an anchor to block shots inside.  He does not get eaten up by 4/5's when posted.  He has better offensive efficiency.

Grant is a nice player, has improved, but he lacks a lot of things that R can provide.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Surferdad on February 21, 2020, 06:35:39 AM
So what happens when he comes back, after the obligatory few shifts when he first returns?

This year, the Theis/Enes Kanter rotation has worked nicely, and I'm not sure it will help those guys to give up 6-8 minutes each for the rest of the year.


He probably averages 10 mins a game. The occasional "rest/load management/cautious about an injury" off day for Kanter and Theis will give him some burn.

And I bet he takes like half of Grant's minutes.

I highly doubt this.  Robert may be longer and more athletic, but being in the right place and making the right decision is more important at this stage of the season.  Grant was already ahead in that department three months ago, and he’s not going to fall behind in the final stretch/playoffs.
Agreed.  I see Robert not getting much PT.  Grant pretty much does everything better.

Wow, huge undersell from you guys.  DNPs and only 10 min?  Grant is a nice story, but his lack of length has hurt us at times. (Le'ts see what happens vs Lakers game).  RW3 was getting very good minutes before he got hurt, so if he is now healthy why on earth would Brad change his mind and bench him? Makes no sense.
Not really underselling at all. When he was healthy, he got less than 15 minutes a game. It's not unlikely that Brad would gradually integrate him back into the lineup. Grant has been playing well for us, so it makes no sense to yank him out of the lineup for a rusty Timelord who hasn't played an NBA game in several months.
agreed, and to add to that, it's not like Timelord was setting the league on fire before going out with injury.  sure, he made some nice dunks off lobs and some pretty blocks but his overall team D was still pretty bad and his offense is pretty limited to dunks and some decent passing.  GWill has excelled in all those areas where Timelord has not.

They need to make a judgment about how much he can learn this year. His ceiling is obviously much different than Grant’s, and if he can correct the focus/mental errors it is much higher. It may be that he’s lost too much time to make it this year, but I’m still a little hopeful.
Thanks for backing me up folks, I knew I was being bold, but I'll stick by it and repeat it (since my original words are not in the thread quotes now):  Grant does just about everything better than Robert at this point, in large part due to his BBIQ.  Robert has higher upside but I wonder if he will ever reach his potential.  This is coming from a fan who likes Robert, a lot.

As always, this depends on what your definition of is, is. The greatest ability, as the old NBA cliché goes, is availability.

Having said that, If what we’re doing here is comparing how they’ve played this year, I can only go along partway with what you say.

I’ll just point to a couple of important differences. First of all, Rob has been an excellent defensive rebounder, while Grant has been a very poor one. Rob is quicker off the floor and has great hands and length, and that has resulted in a much higher rate of steals. And, of course, Rob Williams is a savant of shotblocking, Who in addition to his instincts has exceptional acceleration off the floor and quick enough closeouts to block jump shooters.

I’m not sure why we are comparing these two; I don’t really have the heart to find out how far back in this 129 page thread I’d have to go to find the rationale for it. I see them as substantially different players, and I’m not sure that the need to compare them is compelling.

As I’ve said before, I think that Grant Williams is a Celtic. He came into the league, as was evident from his summer league play, knowing how to play NBA defense. That is truly extraordinary. His overall feel for the game, for moving the ball and team play - in addition to some really good tangibles, his intangibles might actually be better. Looks like he’s a leader, even as a rookie. You mention his basketball IQ; while I agree with you, it is also the case that he has dedication and does an extraordinary amount of preparation.
While your point on defensive rebounding is well-taken, I'm not sure their shot-blocking ability is as different as you suggest.  Robert is superior for sure, but Grant has had some impressive blocks so far in his rookie season.

On the issue of why we are comparing these players, I think part of it is they are likely to be directly competing for minutes when Rob comes back.  Another part is that this feels like Rob's rookie season in some ways.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Hoopvortex on February 21, 2020, 02:41:50 PM
So what happens when he comes back, after the obligatory few shifts when he first returns?

This year, the Theis/Enes Kanter rotation has worked nicely, and I'm not sure it will help those guys to give up 6-8 minutes each for the rest of the year.


He probably averages 10 mins a game. The occasional "rest/load management/cautious about an injury" off day for Kanter and Theis will give him some burn.

And I bet he takes like half of Grant's minutes.

I highly doubt this.  Robert may be longer and more athletic, but being in the right place and making the right decision is more important at this stage of the season.  Grant was already ahead in that department three months ago, and he’s not going to fall behind in the final stretch/playoffs.
Agreed.  I see Robert not getting much PT.  Grant pretty much does everything better.

Wow, huge undersell from you guys.  DNPs and only 10 min?  Grant is a nice story, but his lack of length has hurt us at times. (Le'ts see what happens vs Lakers game).  RW3 was getting very good minutes before he got hurt, so if he is now healthy why on earth would Brad change his mind and bench him? Makes no sense.
Not really underselling at all. When he was healthy, he got less than 15 minutes a game. It's not unlikely that Brad would gradually integrate him back into the lineup. Grant has been playing well for us, so it makes no sense to yank him out of the lineup for a rusty Timelord who hasn't played an NBA game in several months.
agreed, and to add to that, it's not like Timelord was setting the league on fire before going out with injury.  sure, he made some nice dunks off lobs and some pretty blocks but his overall team D was still pretty bad and his offense is pretty limited to dunks and some decent passing.  GWill has excelled in all those areas where Timelord has not.

They need to make a judgment about how much he can learn this year. His ceiling is obviously much different than Grant’s, and if he can correct the focus/mental errors it is much higher. It may be that he’s lost too much time to make it this year, but I’m still a little hopeful.
Thanks for backing me up folks, I knew I was being bold, but I'll stick by it and repeat it (since my original words are not in the thread quotes now):  Grant does just about everything better than Robert at this point, in large part due to his BBIQ.  Robert has higher upside but I wonder if he will ever reach his potential.  This is coming from a fan who likes Robert, a lot.

As always, this depends on what your definition of is, is. The greatest ability, as the old NBA cliché goes, is availability.

Having said that, If what we’re doing here is comparing how they’ve played this year, I can only go along partway with what you say.

I’ll just point to a couple of important differences. First of all, Rob has been an excellent defensive rebounder, while Grant has been a very poor one. Rob is quicker off the floor and has great hands and length, and that has resulted in a much higher rate of steals. And, of course, Rob Williams is a savant of shotblocking, Who in addition to his instincts has exceptional acceleration off the floor and quick enough closeouts to block jump shooters.

I’m not sure why we are comparing these two; I don’t really have the heart to find out how far back in this 129 page thread I’d have to go to find the rationale for it. I see them as substantially different players, and I’m not sure that the need to compare them is compelling.

As I’ve said before, I think that Grant Williams is a Celtic. He came into the league, as was evident from his summer league play, knowing how to play NBA defense. That is truly extraordinary. His overall feel for the game, for moving the ball and team play - in addition to some really good tangibles, his intangibles might actually be better. Looks like he’s a leader, even as a rookie. You mention his basketball IQ; while I agree with you, it is also the case that he has dedication and does an extraordinary amount of preparation.
While your point on defensive rebounding is well-taken, I'm not sure their shot-blocking ability is as different as you suggest.  Robert is superior for sure, but Grant has had some impressive blocks so far in his rookie season.

You raise a good point. And though Rob is way ahead at 7.2% Block percentage, Grant is no slouch at 3.3%. That is a pretty big gap, though.

The gap in steal percentage is also pretty wide, as I mentioned above; Rob is currently at 3.1%, while Grant is at 1.3%.

On the issue of why we are comparing these players, I think part of it is they are likely to be directly competing for minutes when Rob comes back.  Another part is that this feels like Rob's rookie season in some ways.

Such an interesting subject. Grant has certainly gotten minutes at Center, and effective minutes at that - so what you say is logical.

On the other hand, the absence of Rob doesn’t seem to have meant much to Grant’s minutes:

October 4 games/16 minutes per
November 13/14
December 12/16
January 16/15
February 7/19

Furthermore, Grant has frequently been on the floor with Theis or Kanter - and, most importantly, a significant part of Rob’s minutes have been with Grant as well.

It will certainly be interesting to see how all that plays out when Rob returns; are the Celtics going to turn into the Houston Rockets East?

Your comment about this feeling like Rob’s rookie season resonates, for sure. In fact, with the season slipping away, we might have to wait until next year.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: footey on February 23, 2020, 07:24:49 PM
For those arguing that Rob Williams won't find more than 5-10 minutes a game the rest of this season because we have Kanter backing up Theis, I refer you to the recently completed Lakers game. 

Kanter is just unplayable in these types of contest.  Rob Williams (you know, the guy who blocked Anthony Davis's shot twice in the same game last year) clearly could have provided decent minutes, especially as Theis was dragging toward the end.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: nickagneta on February 23, 2020, 07:30:01 PM
For those arguing that Rob Williams won't find more than 5-10 minutes a game the rest of this season because we have Kanter backing up Theis, I refer you to the recently completed Lakers game. 

Kanter is just unplayable in these types of contest.  Rob Williams (you know, the guy who blocked Anthony Davis's shot twice in the same game last year) clearly could have provided decent minutes, especially as Theis was dragging toward the end.
I think Kanter is hurt, which is what is making him so unplayable. He has demonstrably limited in his movements since before the break.
Title: Was Robert Williams in weight room?
Post by: rollie mass on February 26, 2020, 12:02:37 PM
The slow year getting Williams acclimated last year  and it wasn't the Red Claws where I think he had 4 games and didn't log big minutes.
It doesn't really matter how slowly he get brought along .this year he has a core of young hard working rookies. The thing is you really need to want it that is where his peers are leading him not the vets. Last year they had him content just watching.
This several month layoff could allow him to strengthen and grow into his body..
It has been a long time since Garnett, Cowens and Russell and we had a shot blocking inside presence.
Title: Re: Was Robert Williams in weight room?
Post by: seancally on February 26, 2020, 12:14:37 PM
If I had access to the Celtics shiny new training facility I would be in there every single day.
Title: Re: Was Robert Williams in weight room?
Post by: footey on February 26, 2020, 02:06:03 PM
He was probably banned from weight room while rehabbing drop hip injury.
Title: Re: Was Robert Williams in weight room?
Post by: Jiri Welsch on February 26, 2020, 04:15:51 PM
I doubt much has changed during his time off. I hope I'm wrong
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: footey on February 28, 2020, 10:33:26 AM
Medical scan today will determine whether Rob is officially clear to play in games.  All indications are he is pain free and good to go. 

Would be so sweet to see him play tomorrow night and swat away some Harden 3's and Westbrook dunk attempts!!
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: slamtheking on February 28, 2020, 11:14:35 AM
Medical scan today will determine whether Rob is officially clear to play in games.  All indications are he is pain free and good to go. 

Would be so sweet to see him play tomorrow night and swat away some Harden 3's and Westbrook dunk attempts!!
I'd be satisfied with good positional/team defense and not getting caught going for showy blocks resulting in offensive boards and putbacks by the other team. 
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: fairweatherfan on February 28, 2020, 11:18:19 AM
Medical scan today will determine whether Rob is officially clear to play in games.  All indications are he is pain free and good to go. 

Would be so sweet to see him play tomorrow night and swat away some Harden 3's and Westbrook dunk attempts!!
I'd be satisfied with good positional/team defense and not getting caught going for showy blocks resulting in offensive boards and putbacks by the other team.

I'd be satisfied with him making it up and down the court for 5-6 minutes without wincing. We need dude back for good, he can be that last bench piece.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Fafnir on February 28, 2020, 11:19:00 AM
For those arguing that Rob Williams won't find more than 5-10 minutes a game the rest of this season because we have Kanter backing up Theis, I refer you to the recently completed Lakers game. 

Kanter is just unplayable in these types of contest.  Rob Williams (you know, the guy who blocked Anthony Davis's shot twice in the same game last year) clearly could have provided decent minutes, especially as Theis was dragging toward the end.
I think Kanter is hurt, which is what is making him so unplayable. He has demonstrably limited in his movements since before the break.
Yup since he hurt his hip he's run with a hitch and just been less effective.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Fafnir on February 28, 2020, 11:20:05 AM
Medical scan today will determine whether Rob is officially clear to play in games.  All indications are he is pain free and good to go. 

Would be so sweet to see him play tomorrow night and swat away some Harden 3's and Westbrook dunk attempts!!
I'd be satisfied with good positional/team defense and not getting caught going for showy blocks resulting in offensive boards and putbacks by the other team.

I'd be satisfied with him making it up and down the court for 5-6 minutes without wincing. We need dude back for good, he can be that last bench piece.
I honestly think the Rockets game is a terrible match up for him given how the ultra small ball is designed to target bigs like him off the court.

But I just want to see him play!
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: fairweatherfan on February 28, 2020, 11:26:10 AM
Medical scan today will determine whether Rob is officially clear to play in games.  All indications are he is pain free and good to go. 

Would be so sweet to see him play tomorrow night and swat away some Harden 3's and Westbrook dunk attempts!!
I'd be satisfied with good positional/team defense and not getting caught going for showy blocks resulting in offensive boards and putbacks by the other team.

I'd be satisfied with him making it up and down the court for 5-6 minutes without wincing. We need dude back for good, he can be that last bench piece.
I honestly think the Rockets game is a terrible match up for him given how the ultra small ball is designed to target bigs like him off the court.

But I just want to see him play!

At full health and game shape I think he's mobile enough to do ok against them though his perimeter footwork is shaky at best.

But he's gonna be far from either so just a few non-disastrous reps is all I want. We can lean on him for actual production in a week or two.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: footey on February 28, 2020, 11:35:52 AM
I think expectations of Rob are very low on this board, I get it. But I feel that this team's next step up will be on defense, and he will be a large factor for that occurring. Wishful thinking, perhaps, but I'm rolling with it. 
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: hwangjini_1 on February 28, 2020, 11:39:01 AM
Medical scan today will determine whether Rob is officially clear to play in games.  All indications are he is pain free and good to go. 

Would be so sweet to see him play tomorrow night and swat away some Harden 3's and Westbrook dunk attempts!!
I'd be satisfied with good positional/team defense and not getting caught going for showy blocks resulting in offensive boards and putbacks by the other team.
amen.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: MichiganAdam on February 28, 2020, 11:48:06 AM
I think expectations of Rob are very low on this board, I get it. But I feel that this team's next step up will be on defense, and he will be a large factor for that occurring. Wishful thinking, perhaps, but I'm rolling with it.

I actually think it will be on offense once we get Kemba back.  I think the options this guys bring where all can hit the 3, generate offense, and play unselfish could spawn a run of very beautiful basketball with alot of flow.  Be even better if they can up the tempo some using those young legs.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: ederson on February 28, 2020, 11:54:59 AM
I think expectations of Rob are very low on this board, I get it. But I feel that this team's next step up will be on defense, and he will be a large factor for that occurring. Wishful thinking, perhaps, but I'm rolling with it.

at some point they were unreasonably high...
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: RPGenerate on February 28, 2020, 12:02:40 PM
All I want is for him is that he continues to develop the mental side of the game. I'm not even expecting him to be a consistent contributor this year, and that's fine IMO.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Birdman on February 28, 2020, 12:29:55 PM
I may be in the minority here but I think he going be a bust..hope I’m wrong
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Surferdad on February 28, 2020, 01:03:01 PM
I may be in the minority here but I think he going be a bust..hope I’m wrong
OK.  Please explain...
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Birdman on February 28, 2020, 01:51:08 PM
I may be in the minority here but I think he going be a bust..hope I’m wrong
OK.  Please explain...
First, dude seems like he is injured all the time...second, just don’t think he really all that focus..3rd, when he does play, looks lost out there sometimes...again, hope I’m wrong but does reminds me of Tyrus Thomas type player
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: jambr380 on February 28, 2020, 02:02:03 PM
I may be in the minority here but I think he going be a bust..hope I’m wrong
OK.  Please explain...
First, dude seems like he is injured all the time...second, just don’t think he really all that focus..3rd, when he does play, looks lost out there sometimes...again, hope I’m wrong but does reminds me of Tyrus Thomas type player

It's almost impossible for him to be a bust since he was selected at #27. Even if he gets no better and is simply in and out of the rotation (for whatever team he is on) for a few years, that will be considered at least average production out of that slot.

Anyway, I would say that he has been working extremely hard on the mental aspect of the game and that more reps can only help him at this point. He isn't some party dude only using his athleticism to succeed, he has been taking his role as a basketball player seriously. He may not be a superstar, but it's difficult to see his trajectory going anywhere but up.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: footey on February 28, 2020, 02:06:02 PM
Cleared to play!!!!

Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Monkhouse on February 28, 2020, 02:14:59 PM
I may be in the minority here but I think he going be a bust..hope I’m wrong
OK.  Please explain...
First, dude seems like he is injured all the time...second, just don’t think he really all that focus..3rd, when he does play, looks lost out there sometimes...again, hope I’m wrong but does reminds me of Tyrus Thomas type player

Do you even know what the word bust means...? I apologize if I'm coming off as condescending, but whether or not Williams pans out or not, doesn't make him a bust, especially at the 27th pick.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: rondofan1255 on February 28, 2020, 02:33:16 PM
Cleared to play!!!!

Yay, he's back!

https://twitter.com/celtics/status/1233468574792110082?s=20
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Phantom255x on February 28, 2020, 03:40:38 PM
Cleared to play!!!!

Yay, he's back!

https://twitter.com/celtics/status/1233468574792110082?s=20

Once Kemba returns as well...

(https://media.tenor.com/images/e32a0bcd1ee692f13f9fcad63f4f6b62/tenor.gif)
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Sophomore on February 28, 2020, 03:46:51 PM
After seeing his improvement from last year to this year, I have hopes for him to become a useful rotation player. Last year he was just awful a lot - no idea where to be, jumping for every possible block. This year he had stretches, minutes at a time, where he was playing disciplined; he had a few stretches where he really made a big positive contribution. That seems like a tangible sign he's willing to work and able to learn. I'm doubtful he'll make it this year but it would not surprise me that much if he did - and I'd be surprised if he wasn't at least a good rotation big next year.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: blink on February 28, 2020, 04:02:46 PM
Cleared to play!!!!

Yay, he's back!

https://twitter.com/celtics/status/1233468574792110082?s=20

This is great news for him as a person, and us as a team.
I have no idea how long it will take him to get back into shape?  How long has he been practicing?

if timelord can at least give us 10-12 minutes in the near future maybe that can allow Kanter to heal up from whatever is bothering him. 
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: Monkhouse on February 28, 2020, 05:44:51 PM
Ok I lol'ed


Quote
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Time Lord returning on Leap Day is the most perfectly Time Lord thing ever.

 ;)
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: trickybilly on February 28, 2020, 06:20:58 PM
This is such good news. More than 25 games to get TL ready. Even if he can offer backup minutes in the playoffs if Theis gets into foul trouble, or the opposition are running their offense through their big (and Theis is in foul trouble).
Title: Re: Was Robert Williams in weight room?
Post by: rollie mass on March 02, 2020, 11:54:00 AM
Robert has said he has worked lower body (hips ,knees ,calves .everything ) in several areas as well as upper body strength and worked hard on his core..
He also used his time working on his BBIQ asking questions analysing defences.
Being around players his own age that are hungry and applying themselves .Watching players unfold right in front of him like Tatum and Brown and Romeo and Grant work their way onto the court. Romeo being used against HARDEN and LEBRON and getting playing time in 4th quarter. All motivational.
Title: Re: Was Robert Williams in weight room?
Post by: footey on March 02, 2020, 12:44:18 PM
Robert has said he has worked lower body in several areas as well as upper and worked hard on his core strength.
He also used his time working on his BBIQ asking questions analysing defences.
Being around players his own age that are hungry and applying themselves .Watching players unfold right in front of him like Tatum and Brown and Romeo and Grant work their way onto the court. Romeo being used against HARDEN and LEBRON and getting playing time in 4th quarter. All motivational.

TP for the continuing good vibes on RW3, baby!
Title: Re: Was Robert Williams in weight room?
Post by: rollie mass on March 02, 2020, 01:43:19 PM
Thanks Footey   TP back at ya.
By the way there is real improvement in Tacko. And he is putting the ball on the floor.
A fairy tale story coming from where he did.
He got to orchestrate in a custom made tux at the symphony
Can't get a better feel good story .It would be a sad day if with the all effort and camaraderie he has brought he doesn't succeed .But in a way he already has as part of the healing of this new group of Celtics.
 Did you see the video of Kanter and Tacko with the gloves on in the ring at a boxing club for a charity?
Title: Re: Was Robert Williams in weight room?
Post by: footey on March 02, 2020, 02:10:10 PM
Thanks Footey   TP back at ya.
By the way there is real improvement in Tacko. And he is putting the ball on the floor.
A fairy tale story coming from where he did.
He got to orchestrate in a custom made tux at the symphony
Can't get a better feel good story .It would be a sad day if with the all effort and camaraderie he has brought he doesn't succeed .But in a way he already has as part of the healing of this new group of Celtics.
 Did you see the video of Kanter and Tacko with the gloves on in the ring at a boxing club for a charity?

Yeah, it would be something if Tacko could provide us some minutes next season.  Will require very special circumstances, limited minutes, and real forethought by coaching staff, but I could see him being used situationally to great effect.

Yes, saw the video.  These guys are real tight.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: rondofan1255 on March 05, 2020, 01:03:17 PM
Bump. Glad he’s back
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: SHAQATTACK on March 05, 2020, 01:28:34 PM
Time Lord  re entered our realm of hoops  :)
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: CelticsPoetry on March 05, 2020, 02:05:29 PM
Is it just me or does his upper body and arms look much bigger
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: csfansince60s on March 05, 2020, 02:20:19 PM
Is it just me or does his upper body and arms look much bigger

TP...agree.

Looks like he worked on his upper body a lot during his time not playing.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: footey on March 05, 2020, 02:50:13 PM
In 14 minutes each last night, RW3 plus/minus was team high plus 14;

Kanter was team low minus 6. 

(Theis in 19 min was -1.)

Just sayin'.

Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on March 05, 2020, 03:13:56 PM
He's the future of the position for the Cs. I think he can be what Theis is offensively. I don't mean he would have all of the same skills offensively. What I mean is that I think he can keep the offense churning and moving through ball movement, hand-offs, pick-and-rolls, and pick-and-seals.

Defensively, the main question right now is whether the havoc he creates outweighs the defensive lapses and poor rotations. I think with a little more growth in this area, the scales would tip in his favor and his playing time goes up.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: nickagneta on March 05, 2020, 03:20:04 PM
Kid needs to get his FT% up to 65-70%, at the very least, to avoid the Hack a Timelord that we saw against the Nets. Hate to see him become unplayable for large portions of 4th quarters of close games simply because he is a 55% free throw shooter.

He struggled against the Nets but looked great against Cleveland.

I still say he will assume the starting center spot sometime next season. He will develop to be that good. Just needs time on the court with his teammates playing his role and honing skills to be the best Timelord he can be.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: jambr380 on March 05, 2020, 03:51:17 PM
I honestly thought he looked very good against the Nets and Cavs (obviously better against the Cavs). He is just a game changer when he is out there and, even if he does miss a defensive rotation, he is so quick and athletic that he seems to get to the right spot in time anyway. He is kind-of like the 'big' version of Jaylen Brown. I think the sky's the limit with this kid and am happy to see that he is putting in the work both in the weight room and film room.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on March 05, 2020, 04:06:01 PM
I honestly thought he looked very good against the Nets and Cavs (obviously better against the Cavs). He is just a game changer when he is out there and, even if he does miss a defensive rotation, he is so quick and athletic that he seems to get to the right spot in time anyway. He is kind-of like the 'big' version of Jaylen Brown. I think the sky's the limit with this kid and am happy to see that he is putting in the work both in the weight room and film room.

That's the word for it. I love Daniel Theis and he has been really good for the Cs this year, but he is not a "game-changer."

Robert Williams is much more up and down than Theis, but he is a "game-changer."
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: droopdog7 on March 05, 2020, 06:17:22 PM
He's the future of the position for the Cs. I think he can be what Theis is offensively. I don't mean he would have all of the same skills offensively. What I mean is that I think he can keep the offense churning and moving through ball movement, hand-offs, pick-and-rolls, and pick-and-seals.

Defensively, the main question right now is whether the havoc he creates outweighs the defensive lapses and poor rotations. I think with a little more growth in this area, the scales would tip in his favor and his playing time goes up.
It comes down to whether the trusts you.  If the coach can't trust you, he won't play you in important situations no matter how much potential you have. 
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: liam on March 05, 2020, 06:45:48 PM
I honestly thought he looked very good against the Nets and Cavs (obviously better against the Cavs). He is just a game changer when he is out there and, even if he does miss a defensive rotation, he is so quick and athletic that he seems to get to the right spot in time anyway. He is kind-of like the 'big' version of Jaylen Brown. I think the sky's the limit with this kid and am happy to see that he is putting in the work both in the weight room and film room.

That's the word for it. I love Daniel Theis and he has been really good for the Cs this year, but he is not a "game-changer."

Robert Williams is much more up and down than Theis, but he is a "game-changer."

TIMELORD changes the way teams play offense because of his shot blocking and the threat of shot blocking. The ball has to go away from that space that TIMELORD occupies.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: RockinRyA on March 05, 2020, 07:33:23 PM
Kid needs to get his FT% up to 65-70%, at the very least, to avoid the Hack a Timelord that we saw against the Nets. Hate to see him become unplayable for large portions of 4th quarters of close games simply because he is a 55% free throw shooter.

He struggled against the Nets but looked great against Cleveland.

I still say he will assume the starting center spot sometime next season. He will develop to be that good. Just needs time on the court with his teammates playing his role and honing skills to be the best Timelord he can be.

Agree with this. FT shooting has to get better for him to stay on the floor.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: footey on March 05, 2020, 07:42:50 PM
Kid needs to get his FT% up to 65-70%, at the very least, to avoid the Hack a Timelord that we saw against the Nets. Hate to see him become unplayable for large portions of 4th quarters of close games simply because he is a 55% free throw shooter.

He struggled against the Nets but looked great against Cleveland.

I still say he will assume the starting center spot sometime next season. He will develop to be that good. Just needs time on the court with his teammates playing his role and honing skills to be the best Timelord he can be.

Agree with this. FT shooting has to get better for him to stay on the floor.

The one time they hacked him on purpose, he made both foul shots, by the way.

Sure, he needs to improve at the line.  He has missed so much time this season, we are dealing with a tiny sample size. His shooting mechanics have definitely improved although his shot is still a bit flat.  I think he is capable of achieving a high sixties/low 70's FT %.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: rondofan1255 on March 09, 2020, 12:34:05 PM
https://twitter.com/ClevisMurray/status/1236817337258565632?s=20
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: footey on March 11, 2020, 11:33:06 AM
Any reason why RW3 didn't get any burn last night?  Was Brad sitting him out just to be careful with his back?  He was available to play.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on March 11, 2020, 01:37:40 PM
Any reason why RW3 didn't get any burn last night?  Was Brad sitting him out just to be careful with his back?  He was available to play.

My guess is that the reasoning was twofold: 1) He was slightly dinged up and available in needed, but preferred rest, and 2) Sabonis is a terrible matchup for Williams because the pick-and-roll coverage is so nuanced against him. Sabonis played 41 minutes last night.
Title: Re: Robert Williams (Merged Threads)
Post by: rondofan1255 on August 08, 2020, 01:42:16 PM
Bump!

Meaningful minutes in last night’s matchup.