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Around the League => Around the NBA => Topic started by: CoachBo on November 09, 2012, 01:09:08 PM
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Per numerous media sources on Twitter.
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Hahaha, wow, that didn't take long. Wonder if Phil is waiting in the wings or if they're just going to grab whoever they can.
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Deservedly so. Wonder why he was hired in the first place.
The Princeton offense with Kobe....Geesh!!!!
Time to bring in Brian Shaw or Kurt Rambis.
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If true, not surprising. He seemed a bad fit with that new roster. Like asking Michaelangelo to write computer code.
#noperfectanalogies
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Wow.
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I would love to see D'antoni get in there
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Excellent news. Never deserved the job in the first place.
I'd love to see Mike Brown go back to being an assistant coach under a high level technician. Maybe a Rick Carlisle in Dallas. Somebody like that. Someone Mike Brown can learn off of and improve his in game decision making and man-management of star players.
Brown does have some good qualities. He just needs to improve some of those weaknesses. He is still young. He could easily come back in 2-4 years time and establish himself as one of the top coaches in the business if he actually works on flaws ... instead of ignoring them and pretending they don't exist and they don't limit him as a Head Coach as he has done since he left Cleveland.
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Excellent news. Never deserved the job in the first place.
Excellent news if you're a laker fan......?
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BTW for those who haven't seen it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mtm0aS8Qznk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mtm0aS8Qznk)
That's from the end of their last game. Brown was a dead man walking.
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It's about time, really. It's shocking to me they didn't go deeper in the playoffs LAST YEAR. Kobe Bryant along with two of the top 5 big men in the world is a recipe for dominance. I really thought they could have made the finals.
This year... their roster is even sicker. Nash, Kobe, Pau, Dwight... that team should be winning 70+. Mike Brown is a total hack.
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Nate McMillan or Stan Van Gundy should get the job.
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This just kind of seems like poor team management and not knowing what coach you have. If they wanted to make a change, why didn't they do it during the summer when they were getting nash and dh? I mean they know who their coach is and what principals he builds his teams on. If they didn't like the princeton approach, I doubt that he would have started the year as the coach.
If it isn't poor management by the front office, then it is a big overreaction to a few games. I don't think Mike Brown is a great coach - probably better than average. But I think you need to give him more than a few games to get everything in order with all the new players and the injuries.
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Nate McMillan or Stan Van Gundy should get the job.
Not if Dwight Howard is there
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Talk about a knee jerk reaction. Things are bad in Laker Land lol! It makes me smile!
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Nate McMillan or Stan Van Gundy should get the job.
Stan van with dwight? Disaster
Mcmillan is worse then Mike brown....Phil Jackson out of retirement best option
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Nate McMillan or Stan Van Gundy should get the job.
Not if Dwight Howard is there
Mike D'Antoni
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Nate McMillan or Stan Van Gundy should get the job.
You think reuniting SVG and Dwight is a good idea? I feel like that's a recipe for disaster the way last year ended. I would rather JVG for them haha
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BTW for those who haven't seen it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mtm0aS8Qznk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mtm0aS8Qznk)
That's from the end of their last game. Brown was a dead man walking.
He was a dead man walking from Day 1. I don't think the team ever really embraced him and bought in to his philosphy post-Phil Jackson.
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Talk about a knee jerk reaction. Things are bad in Laker Land lol! It makes me smile!
It's not knee jerk. There's no excuse for that team not competing for a title last year. You have arguably the best shooting guard in the league with two dominant 7 footers... they could have crushed teams with size. That has to come down to coaching.
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Nate McMillan or Stan Van Gundy should get the job.
Not if Dwight Howard is there
Dwight Howard has always played well for Stan Van Gundy.
They didn't have a good relationship but they had a functional relationship.
Their past issues wouldn't stop me from hiring SVG.
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Nate McMillan or Stan Van Gundy should get the job.
I would stake my life on SVG not coaching Dwight Howard anytime soon.
EDIT: Well, hell, beaten to it about a dozen times. Carry on.
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Mike Brown is a good assistant but he can't cut it as a head coach. I was surprised he got that job honestly. You think Kobe wants to run a Princeton offense? haha
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I think Nate or Brian Shaw get the job.
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Once they hire D'Antoni, they are going to start scoring 175 points a night. Book it.
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/224404/Sources_DAntoni_Discussed_As_Candidate_For_Lakers_Job
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Huuuuuuuge panic move. Not that I think Brown's a great coach, but this is completely about Dwight Howard not being signed beyond this season.
Mike
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Dantoni would be a dumb hire despite how many points they might score in the regular season...unless brown stayed on as an assistant haha
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Lakers should hire Sloan.
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Dantoni would be a dumb hire despite how many points they might score in the regular season
Agreed -- very bad choice for that roster.
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No coach is going to be able to make the Lakers keep up with younger, athletic teams.
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Lakers should hire Sloan.
yeap, i was going to say that.
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Dantoni would be a dumb hire despite how many points they might score in the regular season...unless brown stayed on as an assistant haha
I actually think D'Antoni would be great for them. Yeah, he doesn't preach defense, but with Howard in the middle, that can cure a lot of woes defensively.
Now they just need to trade Gasol for Bargnani and Fields, and they will be a scary (and fun!) team to watch.
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Lakers should hire Sloan.
How long before Sloan and Kobe get into a fight in practice?
Mike
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This is nothing short of awful news for Celtic fans. Mike Brown is the thing holding back that team from eating this league alive.
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The title goes through Miami not LA.
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Lakers should hire Sloan.
How long before Sloan and Kobe get into a fight in practice?
Mike
I actually think Dwight and his goofy demeanor would be more the issue with Sloan. I could see Kobe and Sloan meshing with their no nonsense approach.
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Do laker fans ever not get what they want?
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Lakers should hire Sloan.
How long before Sloan and Kobe get into a fight in practice?
Mike
Yeah, Sloan isn't a great coach for veterans. Other than the run with Stockton and Malone...and I think those teams were kind of built in his image...Sloan is at his best with younger teams, where he gets the young guys to play disciplined and play above their heads.
They need someone who is going to put in a system that works, and who knows how to massage egos. I think Sloan just doesn't deal with egos, and that won't work with this team.
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But could they get him? I think he is a great coach but I am not sure he wants to be baby sitting guys like DH.
Lakers should hire Sloan.
yeap, i was going to say that.
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This is nothing short of awful news for Celtic fans. Mike Brown is the thing holding back that team from eating this league alive.
Agreed..hiring Eddie Jordan to essentially be the offensives coordinator didn't help...but that's why I'm confused a celtics fan said excellent news.....yeah not for us....id guarantee they win it all if they could somehow get Phil out of retirement....to me mcmillian or dantoni doesn't do that
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This is nothing short of awful news for Celtic fans. Mike Brown is the thing holding back that team from eating this league alive.
Agreed..hiring Eddie Jordan to essentially be the offensives coordinator didn't help...but that's why I'm confused a celtics fan said excellent news.....yeah not for us....id guarantee they win it all if they could somehow get Phil out of retirement....to me mcmillian or dantoni doesn't do that
I read that as excellent news from the lakers perspective.
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Not sure about Jerry Sloan without a training camp.
His system is quite complicated. Lots of learning. Even with the practices they have ahead of them, LA's older guys will likely need a fair number of them off in order to rest.
Not sure Sloan will have enough time to install his system without a training camp.
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Yes if true this is BAD news for the Celtics. Brown was/is our ACE in the bag. Nice man , smart , but not a great leader. DOesn't take a rocket scientist to see that much.
Magic Johnson wanted him fired last season, pretty much said so right on TV after LA got taken out. I see he has already tweeted his approval of the firing. Magic got Westpaul fired ... so more of the same.
Talk about a KNEE JERK reaction....its only 5 games into the season and they are that paniced to FIRE the coach already ??? that is cruel . Dang ... and I thought CELTIC fan were tuff ;D
True is , Howard in UNSIGNED for the future , he may still dream of NJ or another team. Nash is already TOO old , he is an injury waiting to happen, he'll never make it though the rest of the season in one piece playing 35-40 minutes a game.
Worse is KOBE is 34 , he has maybe this year and ONE more KOBE superman year left , his youth is leaving him fast.
LA has this year and the next , before Pau is older, Kobe slows more and NASH is in the nursing home with SHEED.
Howard or NO HOWARD ...it isn't going to be easy for LA to win championships when Kobe is gone ...your drop 40 point guy anytime he takes over retires. ::)
LA fans know the Kobe years are fading fast ...Booo hoo :'(
Yes ...they are on the TWO YEAR plan for sure.
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Yes if true this is BAD news for the Celtics. Brown was/is our ACE in the bag. Nice man , smart , but not a great leader. DOesn't take a rocket scientist to see that much.
Talk about a KNEE JERK reaction....its only 5 games into the season and they are that paniced to FIRE the coach already ??? that is cruel . Dang ... and I thought CELTIC fan were tuff ;D
True is , Howard in UNSIGNED for the future , he may still dream of NJ or another team. Nash is already TOO old , he is an injury waiting to happen, he'll never make it though the rest of the season in one piece playing 35-40 minutes a game.
Worse is KOBE is 34 , he has maybe this year and ONE more KOBE superman year left , his youth is leaving him fast.
LA has this year and the next , before Pau is older, Kobe slows more and NASH is in the nursing home with SHEED.
Howard or NO HOWARD ...it isn't going to be easy for LA to win championships when Kobe is gone ...your drop 40 point guy anytime he takes over. ::)
LA fans know the Kobe years are fading fast ...Booo hoo :'(
Yes ...they are on the TWO YEAR plan for sure.
And then after two years they'll have room for multiple max contracts and multiple players who will want to play there.
We are three years away from multiple threads complaining about how unfair a Kevin Love and Dwight Howard frontcourt is and how it was all a David Stern conspiracy.
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well 2 things i think of:
i don't know why they hired him in the first place, not a good coach with team they have or good offensive plan so a mistake
they recognized the mistake and canned him EARLY, have to assume kobe and others were in kupchec's ear
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Bill Simmons: "2 Lakers moves that would scare me: (1) Hire Mike D'Antoni, (2) trade Pau to Atlanta for Josh Smith, Kyle Korver + Petro's expiring. "
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Yes if true this is BAD news for the Celtics. Brown was/is our ACE in the bag. Nice man , smart , but not a great leader. DOesn't take a rocket scientist to see that much.
Talk about a KNEE JERK reaction....its only 5 games into the season and they are that paniced to FIRE the coach already ??? that is cruel . Dang ... and I thought CELTIC fan were tuff ;D
True is , Howard in UNSIGNED for the future , he may still dream of NJ or another team. Nash is already TOO old , he is an injury waiting to happen, he'll never make it though the rest of the season in one piece playing 35-40 minutes a game.
Worse is KOBE is 34 , he has maybe this year and ONE more KOBE superman year left , his youth is leaving him fast.
LA has this year and the next , before Pau is older, Kobe slows more and NASH is in the nursing home with SHEED.
Howard or NO HOWARD ...it isn't going to be easy for LA to win championships when Kobe is gone ...your drop 40 point guy anytime he takes over. ::)
LA fans know the Kobe years are fading fast ...Booo hoo :'(
Yes ...they are on the TWO YEAR plan for sure.
And then after two years they'll have room for multiple max contracts and multiple players who will want to play there.
We are three years away from multiple threads complaining about how unfair a Kevin Love and Dwight Howard frontcourt is and how it was all a David Stern conspiracy.
You stole my next thought... thats exactly where I was going !!! ;D The Celtics have DUMP PP and KG "before " KOBE retires and get a couple SUPER STARS.... or else ..YES ...Kevin LOVE , CP3 , Cousins will be on their team in a HEART BEAT. And we'll wind up with OLD worn out players and scrubs
The Lakers is a revolving door for the top 10 players in the NBA to enter ..YEAR after YEAR...they NEVER have to retool.... just open the door and pick who they want from pretty much anybodies team.
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Bill Simmons: "2 Lakers moves that would scare me: (1) Hire Mike D'Antoni, (2) trade Pau to Atlanta for Josh Smith, Kyle Korver + Petro's expiring. "
Yeah, the Smith one is the especially scary one. And the Lakers would do it in a second, just to convince Howard to resign. I just am not sure Atlanta would give up on trying to lure Howard yet.
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Long as Pat Riley and Jackson don't return to LA .... that will be some satisfaction.
Jerry Sloan "COULD" lead them to a championship , but he is uncompromising / task master .
Kobe and Howard might not be able to handle Sloan in their faces screaming . They are used to being handled with KID GLOVES...divas
Sloan could carry them to 2-3 banners easy IF the team would embrace his style and not argue with him.. , but I don't think Howard and Kobe can handle Sloan being the COACH., MASTER , and Dictator. They would eventually start to resent Sloans no compromise approach.
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they should give Magic Johnson a crackj at it. Always thought he'd make a fine coach.
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they should give Magic Johnson a crackj at it. Always thought he'd make a fine coach.
They've tried it and canned him faster then Mike brown....and hes part of the dodgers ownership...not sure he could coach the lakers too lol
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Bill Simmons: "2 Lakers moves that would scare me: (1) Hire Mike D'Antoni, (2) trade Pau to Atlanta for Josh Smith, Kyle Korver + Petro's expiring. "
Eh bill Simmons sounds like a dope on this one...gasol is a better fit...Dwight and josh Smith is repetitive and dantoni would make them the most entertaining regular season team ever but playoff failures...Mike brown has had more playoff success
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Anyone think he could be our assistant coach? He's not good at running things but he's actually a defensive guru for a team that needs its bench to come together on D.
Anyway, Mike D'Antoni will make things very scary if he gets hired to coach because of his past with Nash. What could hurt though is his impatience with divas. He didn't like Melo in NY, so I do wonder what would happen between him and Kobe.
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Why are they going for an offensive minded coach? It's their defense and TOs that are killing the Lakers.
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Anyone think he could be our assistant coach? He's not good at running things but he's actually a defensive guru for a team that needs its bench to come together on D.
Anyway, Mike D'Antoni will make things very scary if he gets hired to coach because of his past with Nash. What could hurt though is his impatience with divas. He didn't like Melo in NY, so I do wonder what would happen between him and Kobe.
Actually I think Kobe has a tremendous amount of respect for D'Antoni. I think he was Kobe's favorite player growing up or something. I believe they have some kind of history of mutual respect for one another.
I don't know if he'd be the right man for the job though. His style is like a big budget summer movie with a lot of explosions. Easy on the eyes but come Oscar time forgotten. Not to mention their main problem seems to be defense.
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Anyone think he could be our assistant coach? He's not good at running things but he's actually a defensive guru for a team that needs its bench to come together on D.
Anyway, Mike D'Antoni will make things very scary if he gets hired to coach because of his past with Nash. What could hurt though is his impatience with divas. He didn't like Melo in NY, so I do wonder what would happen between him and Kobe.
Actually I think Kobe has a tremendous amount of respect for D'Antoni. I think he was Kobe's favorite player growing up or something. I believe they have some kind of history of mutual respect for one another.
I don't know if he'd be the right man for the job though. His style is like a big budget summer movie with a lot of explosions. Easy on the eyes but come Oscar time forgotten. Not to mention their main problem seems to be defense.
Oh well why not hire Mike Brown I mean he's a defensive mastermind and-
Oh.
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Why are they going for an offensive minded coach? It's their defense and TOs that are killing the Lakers.
When you can score efficiently, you can get away with a weaker defense.
Not to mention, the talent they have suggests they should be a much better offensive team. They need to maximize that.
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Anyone think he could be our assistant coach? He's not good at running things but he's actually a defensive guru for a team that needs its bench to come together on D.
Anyway, Mike D'Antoni will make things very scary if he gets hired to coach because of his past with Nash. What could hurt though is his impatience with divas. He didn't like Melo in NY, so I do wonder what would happen between him and Kobe.
Actually I think Kobe has a tremendous amount of respect for D'Antoni. I think he was Kobe's favorite player growing up or something. I believe they have some kind of history of mutual respect for one another.
I don't know if he'd be the right man for the job though. His style is like a big budget summer movie with a lot of explosions. Easy on the eyes but come Oscar time forgotten. Not to mention their main problem seems to be defense.
Oh well why not hire Mike Brown I mean he's a defensive mastermind and-
Oh.
Don't underestimate jimmy.
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Why are they going for an offensive minded coach? It's their defense and TOs that are killing the Lakers.
When you can score efficiently, you can get away with a weaker defense.
Not to mention, the talent they have suggests they should be a much better offensive team. They need to maximize that.
Until round 2
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D'Antoni would be great for their offense, bad for their defense, and defense is where most of their problems are right now.
One of my Lakers buddies wants Jeff Van Gundy.
I've also heard Sloan rumors.
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1-4 and u fire ur coach. wow. that is just plain out stupid. Mike Brown is a solid coach overall, could develop into one of the better coaches. Guess he is just the scapegoat of this failed experiment of Princeton offense. Another thought, Celtics are only 2-2, and our schedule is way softer than that of the Lakers. If u impatient like that, we should prolly fire Doc right now. I mean that move by Lakers is just stupid. bonehead move.
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Why are they going for an offensive minded coach? It's their defense and TOs that are killing the Lakers.
Yeah, I think they'd be better off with a defensively orientated head coach over an offensively minded one too.
I think a Head Coach can make a larger difference to their team defense than he can to their offense.
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Why are they going for an offensive minded coach? It's their defense and TOs that are killing the Lakers.
When you can score efficiently, you can get away with a weaker defense.
Not to mention, the talent they have suggests they should be a much better offensive team. They need to maximize that.
Until round 2
I disagree with this. The Suns never had defenders like Howard or Kobe, or even Gasol for that matter.
This Lakers team have the players to be good enough defensively, while being dominant offensively. That is enough to go very deep.
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Why are they going for an offensive minded coach? It's their defense and TOs that are killing the Lakers.
When you can score efficiently, you can get away with a weaker defense.
Not to mention, the talent they have suggests they should be a much better offensive team. They need to maximize that.
Until round 2
I disagree with this. The Suns never had defenders like Howard or Kobe, or even Gasol for that matter.
This Lakers team have the players to be good enough defensively, while being dominant offensively. That is enough to go very deep.
This Lakers teams has nowhere near the speed, shooting or depth that Suns team had.
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Honestly though, I think the offensive vs. defensive stuff is somewhat irrelevant. What they need is someone who can handle the egos, and who can put in a system that is built around the strengths of his players. Mike Brown was neither, which is why he is gone. Jerry Sloan is neither, which is why he would be a disaster.
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Shawn Marion in his prime was a massive difference making defender whom D'Antoni used very effectively.
I'm unsure what "type" of coach would be best, but Brown was wrong for that team.
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Anyone think he could be our assistant coach? He's not good at running things but he's actually a defensive guru for a team that needs its bench to come together on D.
I could see him in the role as that former head coach that Doc brings on as a playoffs consultant.
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And then after two years they'll have room for multiple max contracts and multiple players who will want to play there.
We are three years away from multiple threads complaining about how unfair a Kevin Love and Dwight Howard frontcourt is and how it was all a David Stern conspiracy.
1. Two years is a long time.
2. With the new salary rules in the NBA, I suspect that we're going to see far fewer guys willing to give up extra dollars to ring chase until they're at the very end of their careers.
Mike
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And then after two years they'll have room for multiple max contracts and multiple players who will want to play there.
We are three years away from multiple threads complaining about how unfair a Kevin Love and Dwight Howard frontcourt is and how it was all a David Stern conspiracy.
1. Two years is a long time.
2. With the new salary rules in the NBA, I suspect that we're going to see far fewer guys willing to give up extra dollars to ring chase until they're at the very end of their careers.
Mike
Well, what we actually have been seeing is a lot more guys who were previously in between vet minimum and MLE type players being forced to take the minimum, because the new rules are squeezing the middle class, so to speak. So, when they are forced to take the minimum, then they end up choosing to chase a ring, and the rich get richer.
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Well, what we actually have been seeing is a lot more guys who were previously in between vet minimum and MLE type players being forced to take the minimum, because the new rules are squeezing the middle class, so to speak. So, when they are forced to take the minimum, then they end up choosing to chase a ring, and the rich get richer.
Like who?
Mike
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Honestly though, I think the offensive vs. defensive stuff is somewhat irrelevant. What they need is someone who can handle the egos, and who can put in a system that is built around the strengths of his players. Mike Brown was neither, which is why he is gone. Jerry Sloan is neither, which is why he would be a disaster.
TP. I second this post in its entirety.
This is why D'Antoni would be a pretty good fit, IMO. He has an established relationship with Nash and Kobe idolized D'Antoni while growing up in Italy. He also worked with Dwight while with USA Basketball. That's half the battle.
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CBSSports is reporting that Phil Jackson is ready to come back once again.
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/ken-berger/20904962/no-shortage-of-obvious-candidates-to-replace-mike-brown-as-lakers-coach
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CBSSports is reporting that Phil Jackson is ready to come back once again.
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/ken-berger/20904962/no-shortage-of-obvious-candidates-to-replace-mike-brown-as-lakers-coach
I don't think that insinuated Phil Jackson wanted to come back to the Lakers. I think I remember hearing he wanted to be back coaching in the NBA some months earlier.
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CBSSports is reporting that Phil Jackson is ready to come back once again.
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/ken-berger/20904962/no-shortage-of-obvious-candidates-to-replace-mike-brown-as-lakers-coach
I don't think that insinuated Phil Jackson wanted to come back to the Lakers. I think I remember hearing he wanted to be back coaching in the NBA some months earlier.
From CBSSports
Phil Jackson: While it isn't clear if the Lakers have contacted their former coach yet, it is widely known Jackson, 67, is healthy, ready to go and interested.
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Well, what we actually have been seeing is a lot more guys who were previously in between vet minimum and MLE type players being forced to take the minimum, because the new rules are squeezing the middle class, so to speak. So, when they are forced to take the minimum, then they end up choosing to chase a ring, and the rich get richer.
Like who?
Mike
Just looking at the C's, Barbosa, Darko, and Wilcox wouldn't have been vet minimum players a couple years ago.
On the Knicks, Ronnie Brewer wouldn't have been a vet minimum guy, and the Nets have Josh Childress and Andray Blatche.
Ronny Turiaf and Antawn Jamison are also guys who would have likely gotten more than the minimum a few years ago.
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And then after two years they'll have room for multiple max contracts and multiple players who will want to play there.
We are three years away from multiple threads complaining about how unfair a Kevin Love and Dwight Howard frontcourt is and how it was all a David Stern conspiracy.
1. Two years is a long time.
2. With the new salary rules in the NBA, I suspect that we're going to see far fewer guys willing to give up extra dollars to ring chase until they're at the very end of their careers.
Mike
1. Two years is a long time but my post was in reply to an earlier poster saying this team has a two year window. If this team does have a two year window, there is no reason to believe they won't be able to reload once again. In the mean time, two years is a long time, as you stated.
2. I disagree, we even saw that with Courtney Lee this year to our own Celtics. New salary rules don't change human nature. But even outside of that, the Lakers should have max cap room in that thime anyway.
Well, what we actually have been seeing is a lot more guys who were previously in between vet minimum and MLE type players being forced to take the minimum, because the new rules are squeezing the middle class, so to speak. So, when they are forced to take the minimum, then they end up choosing to chase a ring, and the rich get richer.
Like who?
Mike
Just looking at the C's, Barbosa, Darko, and Wilcox wouldn't have been vet minimum players a couple years ago.
On the Knicks, Ronnie Brewer wouldn't have been a vet minimum guy, and the Nets have Josh Childress and Andray Blatche.
Ronny Turiaf and Antawn Jamison are also guys who would have likely gotten more than the minimum a few years ago.
Bingo again. Beat me to it.
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I'd be surprised if Phil Jackson came back to manage that roster. Difficult group of players.
I do think he could be tempted out of retirement for the right offer though.
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This is where I smile at the fact that we have a better coach than the Lakers...playing point guard for us every night.
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I don't think the head coach is the only important piece here. I think they need something like what the Celts had in '08 - a head coach able to manage veterans and a defensive minded assistant coach.
I think D'Antoni would be a great head coach for them b/c he would command their respect as an intelligible basketball mind, already has a great relationship with Nash, and has not clashed with superstars in the past (while not being as successful in NYK as in Phx, but that reason is up for debate).
Are there any good defensive minds out there available to serve as an assistant coach in this regime?
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I'd be surprised if Phil Jackson came back to manage that roster. Difficult group of players.
I do think he could be tempted out of retirement for the right offer though.
ESPN is beating the Phil drum, he canceled some speaking engagment in the coming week.
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Why are they going for an offensive minded coach? It's their defense and TOs that are killing the Lakers.
When you can score efficiently, you can get away with a weaker defense.
Not to mention, the talent they have suggests they should be a much better offensive team. They need to maximize that.
Until round 2
I disagree with this. The Suns never had defenders like Howard or Kobe, or even Gasol for that matter.
This Lakers team have the players to be good enough defensively, while being dominant offensively. That is enough to go very deep.
Shawn Marion was a good defender, Raja bell too
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CBSSports is reporting that Phil Jackson is ready to come back once again.
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/ken-berger/20904962/no-shortage-of-obvious-candidates-to-replace-mike-brown-as-lakers-coach
I don't think that insinuated Phil Jackson wanted to come back to the Lakers. I think I remember hearing he wanted to be back coaching in the NBA some months earlier.
From CBSSports
Phil Jackson: While it isn't clear if the Lakers have contacted their former coach yet, it is widely known Jackson, 67, is healthy, ready to go and interested.
He's interested in coaching again where you know, the seat is open. Does not mean he wants to coach the Lakers again.
There has been NO reports of Phil actually saying, "Yup, I want to run the team again." If there was, do you honestly think the Lakers would even consider searching at the moment?
EDIT: Also, reports say they've contacted a few coaches, and Jackson wasn't one of them. Sounds like real mutual interest, no?
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I thought Jackson was though ??? hasn't he quit a least a dozen times... and everytime a team od superstars gets in trouble his name is brought out.
It has to be Jackson ...there is NO OTHER OPTION .....
with no training camp available , he is only one than can come in and reintall his game and make Kobe quit sulking like a two year old.
NBA is so predictable... it sucks
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CBSSports is reporting that Phil Jackson is ready to come back once again.
I think Kobe has been behind the scenes calling Jackson , I don't think Brown gets fired UNLESS there isa 99% chance Jackson will be coach again.
It was a setup , soon as Jackson caved , Kobe had the Busses put the torch to Brown.
You watch that hated Jackson will be back...nobody else can turn it around that quick...KOBE is getting old and they need to WIN NOW .. ::) bad language ..bad language ...flying though my head.
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/ken-berger/20904962/no-shortage-of-obvious-candidates-to-replace-mike-brown-as-lakers-coach
I don't think that insinuated Phil Jackson wanted to come back to the Lakers. I think I remember hearing he wanted to be back coaching in the NBA some months earlier.
From CBSSports
Phil Jackson: While it isn't clear if the Lakers have contacted their former coach yet, it is widely known Jackson, 67, is healthy, ready to go and interested.
He's interested in coaching again where you know, the seat is open. Does not mean he wants to coach the Lakers again.
There has been NO reports of Phil actually saying, "Yup, I want to run the team again." If there was, do you honestly think the Lakers would even consider searching at the moment?
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Bill Simmons: "2 Lakers moves that would scare me: (1) Hire Mike D'Antoni, (2) trade Pau to Atlanta for Josh Smith, Kyle Korver + Petro's expiring. "
Eh bill Simmons sounds like a dope on this one...gasol is a better fit...Dwight and josh Smith is repetitive and dantoni would make them the most entertaining regular season team ever but playoff failures...Mike brown has had more playoff success
Smith and Dwight would be some nasty defense... also a scary prospect running the floor with Nash.
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I knew this was going down since the hire. Mike Brown is an assistant who went to high up the coaching chain.
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Haven't read the thread yet. Just posting right off the bat, but if Phil isn't coming back, I think another old guy would be great for them, though I think he's too old to consider it, but I think Hubie Brown would be great for the Lakers, too. But wouldn't be surprised to see Phil come back now that they've got another stacked roster.
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It's about time, really. It's shocking to me they didn't go deeper in the playoffs LAST YEAR. Kobe Bryant along with two of the top 5 big men in the world is a recipe for dominance. I really thought they could have made the finals.
This year... their roster is even sicker. Nash, Kobe, Pau, Dwight... that team should be winning 70+. Mike Brown is a total hack.
Completely agree.
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CBSSports is reporting that Phil Jackson is ready to come back once again.
I think Kobe has been behind the scenes calling Jackson , I don't think Brown gets fired UNLESS there isa 99% chance Jackson will be coach again.
It was a setup , soon as Jackson caved , Kobe had the Busses put the torch to Brown.
You watch that hated Jackson will be back...nobody else can turn it around that quick...KOBE is getting old and they need to WIN NOW .. ::) bad language ..bad language ...flying though my head.
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/ken-berger/20904962/no-shortage-of-obvious-candidates-to-replace-mike-brown-as-lakers-coach
I don't think that insinuated Phil Jackson wanted to come back to the Lakers. I think I remember hearing he wanted to be back coaching in the NBA some months earlier.
From CBSSports
Phil Jackson: While it isn't clear if the Lakers have contacted their former coach yet, it is widely known Jackson, 67, is healthy, ready to go and interested.
He's interested in coaching again where you know, the seat is open. Does not mean he wants to coach the Lakers again.
There has been NO reports of Phil actually saying, "Yup, I want to run the team again." If there was, do you honestly think the Lakers would even consider searching at the moment?
That's not Phil's style he's not going to come out and say he wants the job but if they ask him don't think he'd turn it down
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Why are they going for an offensive minded coach? It's their defense and TOs that are killing the Lakers.
When you can score efficiently, you can get away with a weaker defense.
Not to mention, the talent they have suggests they should be a much better offensive team. They need to maximize that.
Until round 2
I disagree with this. The Suns never had defenders like Howard or Kobe, or even Gasol for that matter.
This Lakers team have the players to be good enough defensively, while being dominant offensively. That is enough to go very deep.
I pretty much agree with this. D'Antoni is a great offensive coach. Why couldn't they just hire a great defensive coach as assistant and have both bases covered?
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Who thinks Kobe has something to do with this?
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Excellent news. Never deserved the job in the first place.
I'd love to see Mike Brown go back to being an assistant coach under a high level technician. Maybe a Rick Carlisle in Dallas. Somebody like that. Someone Mike Brown can learn off of and improve his in game decision making and man-management of star players.
Brown does have some good qualities. He just needs to improve some of those weaknesses. He is still young. He could easily come back in 2-4 years time and establish himself as one of the top coaches in the business if he actually works on flaws ... instead of ignoring them and pretending they don't exist and they don't limit him as a Head Coach as he has done since he left Cleveland.
I was reading so fast I thought you were saying you hoped he would go back to being an assistant coach in high school. I misread you but that does seem about right to me.
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Long, long overdue ... great guy, poor coach, IMHO.
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lol...as a lifelong Diehard Celtics Fan, I can only gloat over ANY discord in LakerLand.
But I think Mike Brown is a fall guy, here.
I think they should've given him more time.
Well, in any event, I'll continue to eat my popcorn and hope for further rumblings from LA.
I must admit, though - I do hope they (Lakers) get it together. I'd love BOS to get one more wack at them in June. That 09-10 finals is still painful for me.
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Who thinks Kobe has something to do with this?
I doubt it. Mike Brown let him do whatever he wanted to do.
I would say it came from an impatient ownership. They wanted a coronation and instead got a train wreck. It didn't fit their pretty little vision for how things should have gone.
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How was Brown supposed to win , when Kobe doesn't practice in 4-5 weeks, Nash is out , he has a scrub bench , Howard is still trying to get back up to full steam. The players are learning a new system and each other. He was a marked man ...he didn't have a prayer.
Top this off with reports of Jackson been seen hanging at a Lakers practice recently, DOES he not have something else to do during retirment?
IMO ... Ol Lady Buss , had a plan going from outside influences to hang Brown out to dry,
You don't FIRE a good coach 10 days into the season on the spur of the moment IF you don't already have somebody waiting in the shadows who you KNOW will do a better job. Magic Johnson hated Brown as a coach , said so on TV last year as the Lakers got knocked out.
I think a "MAYBE informal agreementt " was discussed between the Buss 's and Jackson behind the scenes. Pushed my Magic Johnson and others outside the direct team.
It has to be because somebody KNOWs that Jackson WILL come backback... he is the ONLY guy that can do this in this circumstancses and if not , next year he give them another banner.
Brown was axed to let Jackson back in.
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I'd be totally shocked if Phil Jackson goes back to LA.
There were some rumblings about him butting heads with the leadership, there - not sure why he'd want to go back there.
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Should superstars like Kobe and Dwight make a team better than 1 and 4?
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Jackson should be named coach by Tuesday . Saying they are looking sounds like a smoke screen to me...Jackson was being lead back in by the Buss's ..by alot of different people with a LA say.... the TV contract people were upset too...Mike is an average nice guy , he is not a flashy kinda guy like Riley/JAckson, everybody on the LAKERS has to be a supestar to keep the huge following happy. its the HOLLYWOOD mentallity.
I HOPE NOT ....but I really can't see anybody else besides Riley/Jackson who can turn it around on this SHORT NOTICE with a better chance than Mike Brown had???? Can you ????
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I don't think Jerry Buss or Jim Buss will want Phil Jackson back with Steve Nash there.
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Can we get Mike Brown to be part of our coaching staff?
He knows a lot about Bron and Kobe. I'd be sure he would want to get even with those guys.
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Who's Mike Brown?
And why is there seven pages on him?
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Who's Mike Brown?
And why is there seven pages on him?
He was the nice dude recently thrown under the bus by ex LAKER players, media, owners ,GM 's of major advertisers all needing the Lakers to win it all this year. (kobe is getting old ) And replace him with Kobes adopted father figure /nannie and Magic Johnsons hero. Oh, anything goes long as the Lakers best interest and it's "BIG MARKET" are at happy. ;D
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Mike Bresnahan (LA Times) is tweeting that Mike D'Antoni is the Lakers new head coach.
Source: Mike D'Antoni will be the next coach of the Lakers. Not Phil Jackson.
Mike D'Antoni signed a four-year deal with the Lakers. Phil Jackson was "asking for the moon," accoring to source familiar w/ the situation.
Waiting for another reporter to confirm this story.
Update: Marc Spears has confirmation
Lakers hire coach Mike D'Antoni, according to source.
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Oh god no... this is frightening ... with the talent that team has, they are about to start scoring 180 points a night. I can grasp at straws and say their defense will be trash, but having the best defensive player in the league (Dwight) is going to help a lot. If they end up trading Pau for Josh Smith, it might get even nastier over there.
The Triangle isnt' really made for Nash... but D'Antoni is going to let these guys go to town... it's going to be nuts.
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Jerry Buss: "Our team is old and slow, and to start the season they've been shockingly bad on defense."
Mitch Kupchak: "I know! Let's hire Mike D'Antoni!"
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Jerry Buss: "Our team is old and slow, and to start the season they've been shockingly bad on defense."
Mitch Kupchak: "I know! Let's hire Mike D'Antoni!"
I think we can all just cross our fingers that D'Antoni gives Nash the reigns and Kobe gets flustered... hopefully the whole thing implodes. Because as of right now... that team is scary as heck on paper.
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I was ecstatic to read that report, I really thought Phil was a lock to return. D'Antoni is easily the most overrated coach of the last decade, the guy is a joke. I can't wait to watch this disaster unfold.
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Jerry Buss: "Our team is old and slow, and to start the season they've been shockingly bad on defense."
Mitch Kupchak: "I know! Let's hire Mike D'Antoni!"
LOL
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Who's Mike Brown?
And why is there seven pages on him?
To save us from 26 pages on He Whom We Shall Not Name Allen? ;)
But, seriously, LA? You fired Mike Brown and hired D'Antoni? You fired Mike Brown and hired... Mike D'Antoni?!?! Holy cow... Now, where's the popcorn at?
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If they really wanted their franchise to fail, they could have just signed me or any other Celtic fan. I'd do it for a tenth of the money. I'd do a great job of wrecking their team and do it with all my heart.
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Well, it's official:
Lakers hire D'Antoni:
http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/8622773/mike-dantoni-hired-next-coach-los-angeles-lakers
This probably deserves its own thread, but I'm short on time.
lol..."No D'efense D'Antoni"....
I bet Kobe is fuming over this.
Good! ;D
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There is a God !!!! Yes ...Jackson was too big of Diva himself , even for the Buss's ...hee hee hee ....
Oh the Lakers fans, Magic, Kobe , West , all the Laker will be crying and whining....
So close but Denied.... HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA ;D
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Oh god no... this is frightening ... with the talent that team has, they are about to start scoring 180 points a night. I can grasp at straws and say their defense will be trash, but having the best defensive player in the league (Dwight) is going to help a lot. If they end up trading Pau for Josh Smith, it might get even nastier over there.
The Triangle isnt' really made for Nash... but D'Antoni is going to let these guys go to town... it's going to be nuts.
Exactly. And the whole old and slow thing is a bit of a misnomer. First off, D'Antoni's system isn't based on sprinting, it is based on running as a team and spreading the floor to run pick and rolls. You don't need a track team to run the fast break.
And this team does have some young legs as well, who were pretty useless in the Princeton offense, but may be good fits in D'Antoni's system. Ebanks, Earl Clark, Darius Morris can all run the floor. And I don't expect them to stand pat on their roster either. Gasol is still a very valuable piece.
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Oh god no... this is frightening ... with the talent that team has, they are about to start scoring 180 points a night. I can grasp at straws and say their defense will be trash, but having the best defensive player in the league (Dwight) is going to help a lot. If they end up trading Pau for Josh Smith, it might get even nastier over there.
The Triangle isnt' really made for Nash... but D'Antoni is going to let these guys go to town... it's going to be nuts.
Exactly. And the whole old and slow thing is a bit of a misnomer. First off, D'Antoni's system isn't based on sprinting, it is based on running as a team and spreading the floor to run pick and rolls. You don't need a track team to run the fast break.
And this team does have some young legs as well, who were pretty useless in the Princeton offense, but may be good fits in D'Antoni's system. Ebanks, Earl Clark, Darius Morris can all run the floor. And I don't expect them to stand pat on their roster either. Gasol is still a very valuable piece.
D'Antoni's offense may not be predicated on sprinting, per se, but one thing it is based on is shooting -- something that Lakers lack right now big time.
I think the Lakers need to move Pau if they want to get the roster right for D'Antoni's system.
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Oh god no... this is frightening ... with the talent that team has, they are about to start scoring 180 points a night. I can grasp at straws and say their defense will be trash, but having the best defensive player in the league (Dwight) is going to help a lot. If they end up trading Pau for Josh Smith, it might get even nastier over there.
The Triangle isnt' really made for Nash... but D'Antoni is going to let these guys go to town... it's going to be nuts.
Exactly. And the whole old and slow thing is a bit of a misnomer. First off, D'Antoni's system isn't based on sprinting, it is based on running as a team and spreading the floor to run pick and rolls. You don't need a track team to run the fast break.
And this team does have some young legs as well, who were pretty useless in the Princeton offense, but may be good fits in D'Antoni's system. Ebanks, Earl Clark, Darius Morris can all run the floor. And I don't expect them to stand pat on their roster either. Gasol is still a very valuable piece.
D'Antoni's offense may not be predicated on sprinting, per se, but one thing it is based on is shooting -- something that Lakers lack right now big time.
I think the Lakers need to move Pau if they want to get the roster right for D'Antoni's system.
This I agree with. Although I think their shooting will improve. They have quality shooters in Kobe, Nash, Blake, Meeks, Jamison, Gasol, and Morris. Its just a matter of using them the right way, and getting them open shots.
I agree though that moving Pau makes the most sense now. Pau works in the system, but they can probably get more value of guys who work even better by trading him.
One guy to watch closely though, is Jamison. He was made for this system. He is a very good shooter for a PF, who can really work the pick and roll. And just last year he was scoring 17 points per game.
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D'antoni is a disater hiring. A victory via the ego of Jim Buss . ;D
The Laker Nation is already discussing a "FIRE D'antoni thread" Laughing my self silly.
Lakers faithful want the guy fired and he hasn't sit foot in the locker room or coached one game yet.
Lakers media is in disarray and crying like crazy.
Jim Buss distrusts Phil JAckson ...... maybe cause ol ;D Phil was sneaking around with his sister???? HAA!! TOO funny ;D So he shows everybody who is running the ship and hires D'antoni.....thank you Jim Buss.!!!!Jim for President!!!
Oh.... D'antoni will be fired in 4 months anyway . But , in 4 months it'll be TOO LATE for Jackson to save their tails this year.
Lakers deserve all this mess , they had a good coach in Brown.
Seriously... the LAKERs ARE TOO OLD to play D'antoni's run and gun.
PLus do you think Kobe is gonna like D'antoni's offensive scheme 's allows everybody to chuck up as many shots as they want... this takes away KOBE's ball hogging , and he'll NEVER trust his team mates to pass ( cause now they have the green light to shoot )when ever they want. He won't pass to them and they won't pass to Kobe /other than Nash and Gasol.
Other than Nash and Kobe , lakers don't have enought good shooters to play D'antoni's offense either.
Pau and Howard are crowded inside now.
Spurs and OKC are licking their chops