Merged: GreenlyGreeny Trade Ideas

[GreenlyGreeny]

MVP Jokic is slated to be an UFA in the 2023 off-season. In case he is interested in joining a major team on the East coast, to raise his marketability dollars and be closer to home, what can we do to possibly position ourselves to secure his services in two years? Can it even be done if we #JKJB?

[GreenlyGreeny]

…and Lillard says he wants to join Tatum/Brown and do for them what Chris Paul has done for Booker/Ayton? Keep in mind that Dame is only 30-31 with fewer than a decade of experience in the NBA (feels like he’s older with more experience). Would you do this deal:

BOS In: Lillard
BOS Out: Walker, R. Williams, 2021 BOS 1st, 2023 BOS 1st, 2025 BOS 1st

Yay or nay? Why? If you do not think it’s enough to get Lillard, add swaps in 2022 and 2024, so it’s like the Harden deal. Nobody will beat that offer, especially if Portland can flip Walker for another pick (someone who loses out in free agency will bite, I suspect).

This might be our only way to emulate what the Suns have accomplished with Chris Paul.

This is a pretty [dang] talented team, particularly if the youth develop (ideally we somehow keep Timelord, but do not see how you get Lillard without giving up Timelord or Brown, our only young assets that would definitely be attractive to a rebuilding team):

Lillard/Pritchard/Madar/Edwards
Smart/Fournier/Langford
Brown/Nesmith
Tatum/Parker/G. Williams
TT/Re-sign Theis?

[Csfan1984]

Blazers are still buyers not sellers.

[Surferdad]

Trade yields a ZERO front-court for the C's.  Plus, too many ball-dominant wings with Dame, JT and JB.

[slamtheking]

a. Lillard isn't getting traded by Portland.  they want to continue to build around him
b. IF, big IF, that deal was offered, C's do it all day without thinking from a talent perspective.  Portland wouldn't take it though.
c. from a financial perspective, C's would be killed financially with Lillard's remaining deal.  would need Tatum and Brown to continue to develop their games as well as development from Langford, Nesmith and Pritchard.  no picks left to add cheap decent talent.  No real big man besides TT so C's would need to pull bigs from the FA scrap heap with little to offer financially except some TPE money.  not likely to draw in the best talent.  C's likely stuck at a level below contender status until Lillard's off the books.

[Moranis]

They'd get a lot more than that for Lillard.  Philly, for example, would almost certainly trade Simmons for him, and for all of Simmons shooting flaws, he is a lot better than collection of cast offs and future late 1st round picks. 

[Big333223]

They'd get a lot more than that for Lillard.  Philly, for example, would almost certainly trade Simmons for him, and for all of Simmons shooting flaws, he is a lot better than collection of cast offs and future late 1st round picks.

Agreed.

How about a 3-way that gets Simmons to Boston, Lillard to Philly, Kemba and picks from both teams to Portland.

[Who]

Trade yields a ZERO front-court for the C's.  Plus, too many ball-dominant wings with Dame, JT and JB.

c. from a financial perspective, C's would be killed financially with Lillard's remaining deal.  would need Tatum and Brown to continue to develop their games as well as development from Langford, Nesmith and Pritchard.  no picks left to add cheap decent talent.  No real big man besides TT so C's would need to pull bigs from the FA scrap heap with little to offer financially except some TPE money.  not likely to draw in the best talent.  C's likely stuck at a level below contender status until Lillard's off the books.

I am surprised folks are worried about the big men. You got 3 scorers of Lillard's, Jaylen's & Tatum's caliber. Your offense is off the charts. All you need to do is surround them with basic role players who are can spot up and finish at the rim. Give a little defensive resistance. That is easy to do with minimum contracts.

Roles similar to what Zaza Pachulia and JaVale McGee did for the Warriors. Dwight Howard for the Lakers. There is always a bunch of ring-chasing veterans looking to hop on a title contender and Lillard, Jaylen and Tatum are very much a title contender.

I have no concerns about being able to round out that team with just minimum contracts. That team is a legit. Title worthy all the way.

Not concerned at all about the ball-dominant nature of Lillard, Tatum and Jaylen because all 3 can operate both with and without the basketball. All 3 are fantastic shooters. There will be some small diminished returns but not too much. All 3 are good character guys who have commitment to a team concept (if not always the high level playmaking skills to maximize that commitment). They will figure it out. And old vets would love to play off of them. Feed off the scraps that are left behind. Get a chance to win a title.

[slamtheking]

Trade yields a ZERO front-court for the C's.  Plus, too many ball-dominant wings with Dame, JT and JB.

c. from a financial perspective, C's would be killed financially with Lillard's remaining deal.  would need Tatum and Brown to continue to develop their games as well as development from Langford, Nesmith and Pritchard.  no picks left to add cheap decent talent.  No real big man besides TT so C's would need to pull bigs from the FA scrap heap with little to offer financially except some TPE money.  not likely to draw in the best talent.  C's likely stuck at a level below contender status until Lillard's off the books.

I am surprised folks are worried about the big men. You got 3 scorers of Lillard's, Jaylen's & Tatum's caliber. Your offense is off the charts. All you need to do is surround them with basic role players who are can spot up and finish at the rim. Give a little defensive resistance. That is easy to do with minimum contracts.

Roles similar to what Zaza Pachulia and JaVale McGee did for the Warriors. Dwight Howard for the Lakers. There is always a bunch of ring-chasing veterans looking to hop on a title contender and Lillard, Jaylen and Tatum are very much a title contender.

I have no concerns about being able to round out that team with just minimum contracts. That team is a legit. Title worthy all the way.

Not concerned at all about the ball-dominant nature of Lillard, Tatum and Jaylen because all 3 can operate both with and without the basketball. All 3 are fantastic shooters. There will be some small diminished returns but not too much. All 3 are good character guys who have commitment to a team concept (if not always the high level playmaking skills to maximize that commitment). They will figure it out. And old vets would love to play off of them. Feed off the scraps that are left behind. Get a chance to win a title.

I'm definitely concerned with the team's ability to surround those 3 with talented support.  I really think they'd struggle getting a couple of decent front court players that can defend at the rim and rebound.   Lillard should help on those nights with Tatum and Brown are struggling offensively but relying so heavily on offense isn't a philosophy I buy into.

[johnnygreen]

I think Portland would have more interest in a bag of basketballs than that trade proposal. If word got out that is an offer Brad Stevens made, then the rest of the league may put him on an ignore list, and not take one of his calls. That offer is that offensive.

[A Future of Stevens]

They'd get a lot more than that for Lillard.  Philly, for example, would almost certainly trade Simmons for him, and for all of Simmons shooting flaws, he is a lot better than collection of cast offs and future late 1st round picks.

Can you imagine watching Embiid and Dame PnR? My goodness

[gouki88]

They'd get a lot more than that for Lillard.  Philly, for example, would almost certainly trade Simmons for him, and for all of Simmons shooting flaws, he is a lot better than collection of cast offs and future late 1st round picks.

Agreed.

How about a 3-way that gets Simmons to Boston, Lillard to Philly, Kemba and picks from both teams to Portland.

Embiid and Lillard would be really bad news for us. Two guys we simply cannot defend, and we have to deal with Simmons? No thanks!

[GreenlyGreeny]

BOS Out: Jaylen Brown
BOS In: Kevin Love, 2023 Trailblazers 1st, 2024 Cavaliers 1st, 2025 Trailblazers 1st, 2026 Cavaliers 1st

Why: After the contracts for Love and Horford expire in the 2023 off-season, we’ll have cap space to offer a max to Jokic, who would raise his profile joining the Celtics such that endorsements would offset not choosing the supermax. Plus, he improves his chances of a title/dynasty with Tatum and Co. The 2023 off-season is slated to be loaded with stars, so there’s still Plan B, Plan C, etc. In addition, we get four unprotected firsts in the distant future to rebuild our youth with (given McCollum’s and Lillard’s ages, there’s a good chance the last two of these picks could become top five picks if Cleveland and Portland botch their next moves). Love, just like Horford, is a high-character guy who can facilitate, which is something we’ve sorely missed. In addition, we can finally get Tatum back to the three where he belongs.

CLE Out: Kevin Love, 2024 Cavaliers 1st, 2026 Cavaliers 1st
CLE In: CJ McCollum

Why: They want to dump Love, which is going to require a first, and they want a great second option which they would get in McCollum. We would be banking on the Cavs stinking in 2024 and 2026 whereas they would be betting the opposite.

POR Out: CJ McCollum, 2023 Trailblazers 1st, 2025 Trailblazers 1st
POR In: Jaylen Brown

Why: They need to do something to give Lillard a shot at a title, and McCollum’s contract is definitely seen as a net negative. Plus, Brown is a younger guy they can continue to build around even once Lillard declines in 3-4 years.

Thoughts? Our roster would look like this (frankly think Love and Horford are adequate replacements for Brown this season, maybe next, and they definitely facilitate better than him…Assuming we re-sign Fournier, of course):

Smart/Pritchard/Madar
Fournier/Langford
Tatum/Nesmith
Love/Parker
Horford/Moses

Guys on the trading block (and if a superstar becomes available this year or next, we now have the draft picks to get them): TT, Timelord, GWill, Edwards

We would now have quite the arsenal of first-round picks the next half decade:

2022 BOS 1st
2023 BOS 1st
2023 POR 1st
2024 BOS 1st
2024 CLE 1st
2025 BOS 1st
2025 POR 1st
2026 BOS 1st
2026 CLE 1st

[Celtics4ever]

No, no way Stevens does that.

[tonydelk]

BOS Out: Jaylen Brown
BOS In: Kevin Love, 2023 Trailblazers 1st, 2024 Cavaliers 1st, 2025 Trailblazers 1st, 2026 Cavaliers 1st

Why: After the contracts for Love and Horford expire in the 2023 off-season, we’ll have cap space to offer a max to Jokic, who would raise his profile joining the Celtics such that endorsements would offset not choosing the supermax. Plus, he improves his chances of a title/dynasty with Tatum and Co. In addition, we get four unprotected firsts in the distant future to rebuild our youth with (given McCollum’s and Lillard’s ages, there’s a good chance the last two of these picks could be top five picks).

CLE Out: Kevin Love, 2024 Cavaliers 1st, 2026 Cavaliers 1st
CLE In: CJ McCollum

Why: They want to dump Love, which is going to require a first, and they want a great second option which they would get in McCollum. We would be banking on the Cavs stinking in 2024 and 2026 whereas they would be betting the opposite.

POR Out: CJ McCollum, 2023 Trailblazers 1st, 2025 Trailblazers 1st
POR In: Jaylen Brown

Why: They need to do something to give Lillard a shot at a title, and McCollum’s contract is definitely seen as a net negative. Plus, Brown is a younger guy they can continue to build around even once Lillard declines in 3-4 years.

Thoughts? Our roster would look like this (frankly think Love and Horford are adequate replacements for Brown this season, maybe next) and we’d now have quite the arsenal of first-round picks the next half decade:

Smart/Pritchard/Madar
Fournier/Langford
Tatum/Nesmith
Love/Parker
Horford/Moses

Guys on the trading block (and if a superstar becomes available, we have the draft picks to get them): TT, Timelord, GWill, Edwards

2022 BOS 1st
2023 BOS 1st
2023 POR 1st
2024 BOS 1st
2024 CLE 1st
2025 BOS 1st
2025 POR 1st
2026 BOS 1st
2026 CLE 1st

This is not a good idea.  If you are going to trade Brown to rebuild you might as well trade Tatum as well.  Move Smart.  Don't resign fournier and pray to the basketball gods that we can find our next Tatum and Brown.  Or we can just keep Tatum and Brown and try to find complimentary vets to build around them.